View Full Version : Cops arrest Scorpions boss
Sneeky
09-01-2008, 09:05 AM
Looks like they will arrest everyone in the country first before they take action against Selebi.
At least Gerrie Nel can defend himself against the charges and the courts will then decide his fate.
The justice system works well when there is no 'ANC gravy train passenger' involved it seems.
Scorpions boss Gerrie Nel was arrested at his Pretoria home on charges of corruption and defeating the ends of justice, his attorney Ian Small Smith confirmed on Wednesday.
Nel, the Regional Head of the Directorate of Special Operations or the Scorpions, was arrested by about 20 armed policemen in front of his wife and children at his home at around 21:00 on Tuesday.
According to the warrant of arrest, Smith said, the charges against Nel were corruption and defeating the ends of justice between 2004 and 2005.
"The warrant was issued on the 22nd of November 2007 on a case registered in September 2007 for offences allegedly committed between 2004-2005," he said.
"The police elected to withhold the warrant until the 7th of January before they arrested Advocate Nel under these peculiar, abusive and suspicious circumstances."
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2248545,00.html
native
09-01-2008, 09:08 AM
The guy tried to arrest the Police boss and now they are arresting him
/me thinks this is just a delay tactic to get Bra Jackey arrested
he is not my friend finish and klaar
The_Librarian
09-01-2008, 09:10 AM
This country's getting crazier.
And the criminals having a good time. :mad:
!!DV!!
09-01-2008, 09:14 AM
It sure as hell took them a long time to prepare that case.
All this Circus drama, anyone abroad what is international news reporting?? The local news channels are show there own propaganda.
Like the price fixing in the education dept, for books etc.
eltherza
09-01-2008, 09:24 AM
Wow, this is rather shocking in some way.
Wonder if the disbanding of the scorpions and this are related some way? It'll be interesting what alleged corruption incidents he'll be tried for.
Although, one can not help but wonder what Selebi's involvement in this is...
lcbxx
09-01-2008, 09:29 AM
Imagine cops coming to arrest you, at your house in from of your family, citing the charge as: "You are hereby arrested for defeating the ends of justice between 2004 and 2005".
WTF does that mean? That is one hell of a broad statement. Makes me worry about the times I did 140 in a 120zone without a number plate...?
Bageloo
09-01-2008, 09:40 AM
...the same sentiments prevailing in this threads seem to be reserved for a select few and they are not shared for some other allegedly corrupt people...
Koos Custodiet
09-01-2008, 10:06 AM
Nel, the Regional Head of the Directorate of Special Operations or the Scorpions, was arrested by about 20 armed policemen in front of his wife and children at his home at around 21:00 on Tuesday.
Sounds like this fellow is a dangerous criminal.
Either that, or the police are showing that "they can"... naaaah... they wouldn't do that!
"A child can see that this is politically motivated"... oops, that was something else, wasn't it?
arni1954
09-01-2008, 11:33 AM
Anther step towards the drain
milomak
09-01-2008, 01:21 PM
Imagine cops coming to arrest you, at your house in from of your family, citing the charge as: "You are hereby arrested for defeating the ends of justice between 2004 and 2005".
WTF does that mean? That is one hell of a broad statement. Makes me worry about the times I did 140 in a 120zone without a number plate...?
well the scope of the police investigation was known to the NPA.
EDIT: The point is that there charges were not unknown (as Mpshe acceded to in his interview on 702), but rather the way the police went about it. Which suggests a revenge mission from the police and more specifically Selebi.
lion_fish
09-01-2008, 01:43 PM
SA is really becoming a laughing stock now.
Fsck justice, rather use police resources for personal revenge hey Selebi?
antowan
09-01-2008, 01:56 PM
Whay arrest a guy who has known office hours and who was probably on holiday at the time at 9pm in the evening?
Bageloo
09-01-2008, 02:06 PM
Whay arrest a guy who has known office hours and who was probably on holiday at the time at 9pm in the evening?
The same NPA was prepared to arrest the police commisioner until Mbeki intervened...good taste of their own medicine...:cool:
I was under the impression that law enforcers and public figures were not subject to arrest (as part of police procedure), eish! guess I was wrong.
lion_fish
09-01-2008, 02:10 PM
The same NPA was prepared to arrest the police commisioner until Mbeki intervened...good taste of their own medicine...:cool:
So arresting criminals is a bad thing? You really surprised me with that comment Bageloo...
Bageloo
09-01-2008, 02:18 PM
So arresting criminals is a bad thing? You really surprised me with that comment Bageloo...
Arresting the head of the police force is an absolute no no...If you have built a case against him why not indict him to appear in court without the humiliation and the dramatics that smack of political vengeance...
That comment was made in line with such beliefs that this is all power play of accusations and counter accusations. In the meantime, real criminals are murdering innocent people out there...
sox63
09-01-2008, 02:19 PM
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20071121041739194C423480
I'm not too sure, but maybe his arrest has something to do with this case linked above. Maybe the defeating of the ends of justice comes from it?
In his judgment, the magistrate criticised Nel for displaying "partisanship towards the cause of the accused" and turning a blind eye to his corrupt activities.
Amazing. Everyone's arresting every head of department in SA. From Zuma to Selebi to Nel. Who we missing??? Metro Police Chief. Wonder who's going to arrest him? Or is he sitting this one out.
The fact that teams of police are being sent by the individuals to arrest one another just makes a mockery out of this country. Seems like every department head has a bunch of hired-guns to use at his/her disposal. :rolleyes:
This has just got stupid now with all the power play and discrediting. It's become a total mickey mouse game.
Yip, and in the mean time people continue to be slaughtered. :(
Ricard
09-01-2008, 03:38 PM
Whay arrest a guy who has known office hours and who was probably on holiday at the time at 9pm in the evening?
Claim some overtime :-P
NoADSLyet
09-01-2008, 04:00 PM
Criminals running the country, Criminals running the police now criminals arresting criminals. Soon we will have a criminal court too...Waitwe already have one! :D
vespax
09-01-2008, 04:00 PM
Gov't works after 4:30? ;)
Bageloo
09-01-2008, 04:01 PM
Gov't works after 4:30? ;)
don't you mean 2:30?:D
NoADSLyet
09-01-2008, 04:02 PM
Gov't works after 4:30? ;)
Do they work? Thats news!
Do they work? Thats news!
:D
milomak
09-01-2008, 05:27 PM
Whay arrest a guy who has known office hours and who was probably on holiday at the time at 9pm in the evening?
he was arrested on huis way from the office/work. maybe they didn't have his diary?
VJB 449
09-01-2008, 06:34 PM
Banana Republic Zim 2.0. This is one of the guys that must put Selebi in jail. Selebi made up charges to get him out of the way. Simple as that. This country is going down the drain.
Leitmotif
09-01-2008, 06:43 PM
Not an encouraging sign for the future.
marine1
09-01-2008, 08:40 PM
Future? Bwahahaha
Clever move ... discredit the scorpions, close them, throw out Selebi and JZ's case, JZ becomes the head honcho of ZA (Zuma Africa) .... I wonder who is going to right a best selling spy / thriller novel on this? Gripping stuff .....
sox63
10-01-2008, 09:36 AM
At the risk of being labelled an ANC supporter, isn't there anyone that would like to find out WHY he got arrested?
If the guy who the Magistrate convicted of corruption, and clearly indicates that this Nel guy was possibly an accomplice. Much like Shaik and Zuma actually.
VJB 449
10-01-2008, 10:07 AM
At the risk of being labelled an ANC supporter, isn't there anyone that would like to find out WHY he got arrested?
If the guy who the Magistrate convicted of corruption, and clearly indicates that this Nel guy was possibly an accomplice. Much like Shaik and Zuma actually.
If you listened to Moneyweb last night you would know what is going on. Selebi is slowly but surely taking out the people that is busy investigating him.
20 armed policeman to arrest this guy and then he gets bail of R10 000. What a joke. The police is corrupt to the core.
sox63
10-01-2008, 10:10 AM
If you listened to Moneyweb last night you would know what is going on. Selebi is slowly but surely taking out the people that is busy investigating him.
20 armed policeman to arrest this guy and then he gets bail of R10 000. What a joke. The police is corrupt to the core.
You are still not answering WHY he got arrested. BTW the bail in white collar crimes has always been high-ish. Besides IF he is innocent he gets his cash back.
Bageloo
10-01-2008, 10:16 AM
You are still not answering WHY he got arrested. BTW the bail in white collar crimes has always been high-ish. Besides IF he is innocent he gets his cash back.
even if guilty, he still gets his cash back...in exchange for his freedom of course:D
Think it was fraud and perjury (had only one ear on the radio this morning)
Valis
10-01-2008, 10:41 AM
Apparently several prosecutors refused to issue a warrant due to lack of evidence before they managed to find a judge that would sign an arrest warrant.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20080110040951212C275546
Valis
10-01-2008, 10:46 AM
You are still not answering WHY he got arrested. BTW the bail in white collar crimes has always been high-ish. Besides IF he is innocent he gets his cash back.
Apparently one of the charges is "defeating the administration of justice" :confused: Does that mean he didn't fill in the forms correctly? :D
sox63
10-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Apparently several prosecutors refused to issue a warrant due to lack of evidence before they managed to find a judge that would sign an arrest warrant.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20080110040951212C275546
If they did not follow procedure then he should be released quickly, something I'm sure his legal team shoud be doing.
He was then asked to issue a section 205 subpoena to force a reluctant witness, which The Star has learnt is a former NPA employee, to provide a statement to the police.
I would love to know what Tshavhungwa said in that statement, to all of a sudden provide grounds for an arrest. BTW I'm guessing it is Tshavhungwa in question. Maybe a deal was offered to reduce his sentence.
I would love to know what Tshavhungwa said in that statement, to all of a sudden provide grounds for an arrest. BTW I'm guessing it is Tshavhungwa in question. Maybe a deal was offered to reduce his sentence.
This whole thing looks like a bit of tit for tat. The police bypassed standard procedures in obtaining the warrant as they did not go to the NPA. They used the head of the police legal services in place of a prosecutor which is troubling. The purpose of the NPA is to investigate whether the police have enough evidence to get a successful prosecution.
My guess is that they arrived at night as that would prevent him seeing a magistrate until the next day. i.e. Let him sweat a bit in jail.
I also get upset with these large groups of policemen (and women) going to arrest someone who is obvious not going to start a gun fight. They should rather have those officers catching the violent criminals.
I also get upset with these large groups of policemen (and women) going to arrest someone who is obvious not going to start a gun fight. They should rather have those officers catching the violent criminals.
I think they also did this with Zuma. It's crazy stuff.
Bageloo
10-01-2008, 12:15 PM
I think they also did this with Zuma. It's crazy stuff.
I don't remember him being arrested ...:confused:
Ricard
10-01-2008, 12:20 PM
I think they also did this with Zuma. It's crazy stuff.
Zuma got 'Served' , not Arrested.
And they are still serving him ... with positions.