View Full Version : Zola stars in rape commercial - 然eal Men don't Rape'
Sorry if there has been a thread about this advert.
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/12/20655.html
WTF :mad::mad:
Can you believe they allowed this to be aired. Bunch of loony leftwing fem nazis.
So lets see I can't be proud to male, white, heterosexual. What next? Having a full head of hair. I just feel so ashamed :(
Now where do I keep my Prozac. I got a lot of groveling for forgiveness lined up :rolleyes:
Pooky
20-01-2008, 08:44 PM
What's wrong with it?
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 08:46 PM
If you feel ashamed about that advert then you have some serious issues.
Unless you are a rapist that advert shouldn't shame you... seriously I didn't expect you to be so PC...
What's wrong with it?
LOL so you ashamed of being an 'S.A male'
Then again you are pooky :D
If you feel ashamed about that advert then you have some serious issues.
Unless you are a rapist that advert shouldn't shame you... seriously I didn't expect you to be so PC...
Are you ashamed of being white as well?
No wait we know the answer to that
hashbrown99
20-01-2008, 08:47 PM
If you feel ashamed about that advert then you have some serious issues.
Unless you are a rapist that advert shouldn't shame you... seriously I didn't expect you to be so PC...
Precisely
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 08:48 PM
Are you ashamed of being white as well?
Who said I was white and I am yet to see why you find the advert offensive.
Take back your right to be proud of being male... don't whine about the facts of life.
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 08:49 PM
I remember Charlize Theron had a similar advert but this one is much better.
Hopefully it makes a difference.
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/12/20655.html
Who said I was white and I am yet to see why you find the advert offensive.
Take back your right to be proud of being male... don't whine about the facts of life.
Okay 'if' you were white would you be ashamed?
Methinks that ad might be generalizing a wee bit
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 08:50 PM
Why? Seriously you are being stupid here.
Unless you are a rapist or condone rape this advert cannot shame you.
Fall off that horse and get a grip Alan. Rape is bad, anything (within reason) to fight rape is good.
Pooky
20-01-2008, 08:52 PM
Why are there now two threads?
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 08:52 PM
Because one is stupid ;)
Not good not good at all, when is this going to stop. I really admire Zola7, his show on sabc 1, his community work and his personality.
.geek
20-01-2008, 08:53 PM
South African men rape over 500 000 women every year in South Africa.
That is so sensationalist. :rolleyes:
Is that even an accurate figure? Does it specifically exclude rapes by foreign men? :confused:
The ANC rapes 500 000 woman every year in South Africa.
:p
Why? Seriously you are being stupid here.
Unless you are a rapist or condone rape this advert cannot shame you.
Fall off that horse and get a grip Alan. Rape is bad, anything (within reason) to fight rape is good.
I asked you a simple question. Can you not answer it?
The actor is ashamed. Does that make him a rapist?
Because one is stupid ;)
Yeah this one. I guess another fav of yours from Charlize is when she claimed South Africans don't really celebrate Christmas eish :o
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 08:55 PM
Your question was simple and answered.
I am not ashamed about who I am. I am ashamed of how women are treated in SA and feel that everything and anything should be done to help fix that. How can you not?
[Okay maybe the question wasn't answered directly before but it has been now]
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 08:56 PM
South Africans don't really celebrate xmas... haven't you seen your friends the Americans do it..
Seriously are you stoned tonight?
Your question was simple and answered.
Really where?
I am not ashamed about who I am. I am ashamed of how women are treated in SA and feel that everything and anything should be done to help fix that. How can you not?
According to this you must be ashamed of who you are. Being a South African male?
South Africans don't really celebrate xmas... haven't you seen your friends the Americans do it..
Seriously are you stoned tonight?
Bwahahaha no we don't celebrate Christmas. I mean people don't get trees and put presents under them, have Christmas dinner/lunch or put Christmas decorations in town centers :rolleyes:
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 09:00 PM
I am ashamed of my fellow South Africans attitude to this advert.
Now go be a big man and stand up for some other people instead of attempting to protect yourself
PCTECH
20-01-2008, 09:00 PM
Sorry if there has been a thread about this advert.
http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/196/12/20655.html
WTF :mad::mad:
Can you believe they allowed this to be aired. Bunch of loony leftwing fem nazis.
So lets see I can't be proud to male, white, heterosexual. What next? Having a full head of hair. I just feel so ashamed :(
Now where do I keep my Prozac. I got a lot of groveling for forgiveness lined up :rolleyes:
As a woman, I appreciate that advert! :)
I believe the people who object to that advert are feeling guilty about something. TBH me thinks you protest too much alan!
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 09:01 PM
Your showing your ignorance of the world here Alan...
Honestly do you think we celebrate xmas how it should be celebrated (religious or commerical)
Have you even experienced a xmas outside of pmb or even South Africa?
I am ashamed of my fellow South Africans attitude to this advert.
Now go be a big man and stand up for some other people instead of attempting to protect yourself
Yet again two questions no answers :o
I ask again.
Are you ashamed to be an S.A male like the guy in the advert is?
Are you ashamed to be white? If you have answered it please show me where as I seem to keep missing it :o
Moederloos
20-01-2008, 09:02 PM
Bwahahaha no we don't celebrate Christmas. I mean people don't get trees and put presents under them, have Christmas dinner/lunch or put Christmas decorations in town centers :rolleyes:
or go to Church? Surely that is what Xmas is about?
or go to Church? Surely that is what Xmas is about?
What surely not :eek:
GavinMannion
20-01-2008, 09:05 PM
1. I am ashamed of South African males
2. I am not ashamed of my skin colour
Not sure WTF either of those questions have to do with your overly guilty response to this advert.
1. I am ashamed of the rape statistics in South Africa and back any and all legal means to fix it. This one seems to hit home where it is required.
[Edit: Going to watch a movie so no I am not ignoring you responses ;)]
As a woman, I appreciate that advert! :)
I believe the people who object to that advert are feeling guilty about something. TBH me thinks you protest too much alan!
Are you implying I raped somebody? I'm sorry but I have not and neither do I as a male feel in any way ashamed for being male because I happen to share the same gender as someone who has raped somebody.
Just like I'm not ashamed to be white even though being white I happen to share the same race as a white racist. I am not a racist and not being ashamed of your race doesn't make you one. If I object to being ashamed that does indicate an "overly guilty" response or protesting to much.
1. I am ashamed of South African males
2. I am not ashamed of my skin colour
Finally. So you are ashamed of S.A males including yourself because of the actions of a few S.A males but you're not ashamed of being white even though there a few whites who are racists. That does not add up :o
Not sure WTF either of those questions have to do with your overly guilty response to this advert.
You are a lunatic. This is right up there with you considering voting for Condi Rice because she is black :D
1. I am ashamed of the rape statistics in South Africa and back any and all legal means to fix it.
There we go some sense. Be ashamed of those guilty not everybody.
HavocXphere
20-01-2008, 09:26 PM
I think we can safely agree, that nobody here is proud of the SA rape statistics.
I believe you guys are missing each others points. Alanf seems to have an issue with them connecting rape and "being/not being proud to be an South African in general", while everyone else is offended because Alanf has an issue with a anti-rape ad. Does that sound about right, or am I too missing someones point?
ETA: ic why did you merge a Religion thread with a rape ad thread?
PostmanPot
20-01-2008, 09:33 PM
Bunch of loony leftwing fem nazis.
LOL! We love you :D
Also, title adjusted to reflect the title & relevance at the given url.
I started the thread about a particular line in the add. Perhaps you could change the "real men don't rape" to "not proud to be an S.A male" since that is the point of contention.
I think we can safely agree, that nobody here is proud of the SA rape statistics.
I believe you guys are missing each others points. Alanf seems to have an issue with them connecting rape and "being/not being proud to be an South African in general", while everyone else is offended because Alanf has an issue with a anti-rape ad. Does that sound about right, or am I too missing someones point?
Eh no you did miss something. Connecting the fact you are S.A male not a South African. Secondly I don't take issue with an anti rape adds as a whole just this one. Oh and not everybody just a few.
Fudzy
20-01-2008, 09:37 PM
I thought the advert was really good, it speaks to the majority a lot better than a certain famous lady from Benoni. Not all men are rapists but statistics show that there are alot of them out there, I'd raise a concerned eyebrow at any bloke who feels insulted by this ad.
fskmh
20-01-2008, 09:39 PM
I think the original snooty ad still grates some people.
This ad doesn't bother me, and I think Zola has way more credibility than Charlize Theron.
I just wonder what the script writers meant by "taking our pride back"?
It sounds like an exhortion to men to take the law into their own hands.
:confused:
This is a merged thread, if you want to elaborate on your reason for starting this thread, please edit your post including your post's own title...
Sorry I thought the thread heading was a good place to elaborate on it's contents and purpose.
Also I see GM got a 1 star against his thread( not my vote. I'm sure the mods can see that) but now it's against my thread. Obviously not what the voter intended (oh and bravo to whoever it was) lol :D
Aqua_lung
20-01-2008, 09:43 PM
Yet again two questions no answers :o
I ask again.
Are you ashamed to be white? If you have answered it please show me where as I seem to keep missing it :o
The ad has nothing to do with being white...
What is wrong with you?
The ad has nothing to do with being white...
What is wrong with you?
FFS can you not see the relevance :o
Why must a person be ashamed of a trait( which has no relevance and is something out of the individuals control) they share with somebody who has commited a crime.
LOL coming from you that's a laugh :D
No surprise to see the usual possie. Always obsessed with generalisations :sick:
arf9999
20-01-2008, 10:05 PM
Why must a person be ashamed of a trait( which has no relevance and is something out of the individuals control) they share with somebody who has commited a crime.
No surprise to see the usual possie. Always obsessed with generalisations :sick:
I'm going to regret this, but here goes:
1. Alan, the ad is not aimed at you, unless you're a rapist.
2. Alan, the concept of the ad is to create a air of shame around the crime of rape. Zola is a well respected celebrity, and has a lot of street credibility (because he is a reformed criminal). The target of the ad is his audience - young black men. It is fairly obvious, but maybe PMB is out of the loop on stuff like this.
3. Alan, you need to get a life and stop getting upset about stuff you both don't understand and can't change. You're taking years off your life by getting your blood pressure up.
4. Alan, the value of emoticons in a post is reduced dramatically if every third word is followed by one.
5. It's spelled "posse". ;)
I'm going to regret this, but here goes:
Yeah don't like getting proved wrong. :D
1. Alan, the ad is not aimed at you, unless you're a rapist.
No it's clearly aimed at S.A males. Hence he refers to himself not being proud and claims "we rape 500 000" If we refers to the people the add is aimed at (rapists according to you) and himself he is than saying he is one them. A rapist :eek:
Add to that "guy lets take back our pride"
Gosh Andrew I'm dissapointed.
2. Alan, the concept of the ad is to create a air of shame around the crime of rape. Zola is a well respected celebrity, and has a lot of street credibility (because he is a reformed criminal). The target of the ad is his audience - young black men. It is fairly obvious, but maybe PMB is out of the loop on stuff like this.
No the concept to is to make S.A males ashamed of the fact that they share the same gender as rapists. Although rape is not a soley 'male' crime anyway.
3. Alan, you need to get a life and stop getting upset about stuff you both don't understand and can't change. You're taking years off your life by getting your blood pressure up.
Frankly I can get upset about whatever I want. Generalising, it seems, gets to me. Especially when people link me to rapists through nothing more than my gender. I appreciate your concern though.
4. Alan, the value of emoticons in a post is reduced dramatically if every third word is followed by one.
What can I say I'm an emotional person
5. It's spelled "posse". ;)
You lot are a little "possie" :D
arf9999
20-01-2008, 10:28 PM
Yeah don't like getting proved wrong. :D
Well....yes, but that's not the reason.... and anyhow it'd be the first time by you, so it definitely wasn't the reason.
More like realising that I'd be wasting my time trying to get anything into your narrow mind...
I'll leave it at that - no point in continuing in the face of obstinate ignorance.
Have fun.
HavocXphere
20-01-2008, 10:31 PM
I can see why you're upset about this "we" thing, but I think it is justified in this context. They could have said "The rapists amongst us rape 500000 women yearly" but "we" works better in an ad.
Oh and not everybody just a few.
My apologies. Generalization on my part.
StrongTurd
20-01-2008, 10:35 PM
I never thought that I would ever agree with Alan on something but he's got a point here: Zola is ashamed to be a man because "we" raped 500000 women. Well, by that logic I am ashamed to be a man because Stalin was also a man and he killed 20 million of his countrymen. I'm also ashamed to be white because many white people kept slaves 300 years ago. I'm ashamed to be married because I know of many married guys that cheat on their wifes. I can go on and on...
PostmanPot
20-01-2008, 10:37 PM
Emo Alan :D
NoADSLyet
20-01-2008, 10:44 PM
Zola stars in rape commercial - 然eal Men don't Rape'
We know and agree to that, but we also know that a certain faction or members of our society do/does it (rape) with impunity and that they do for ill informed ethnic and cultural reasons as well as medical advise and beliefs. It will become worse as Our honorary leadership does it too and then takes a shower, just in case!
PS: Wonder what Zuma "thinks" or rather what crosses his mind if he watch that commercial?
Fudzy
20-01-2008, 10:46 PM
PS: Wonder what Zuma "thinks" or rather what crosses his mind if he watch that commercial?
What are you implying?
NoADSLyet
20-01-2008, 10:47 PM
What are you implying?
Read my lips!
Fudzy
20-01-2008, 10:49 PM
Read my lips!
:confused:
PeterCH
20-01-2008, 10:51 PM
Finally. So you are ashamed of S.A males including yourself because of the actions of a few S.A males but you're not ashamed of being white even though there a few whites who are racists. That does not add up :o.
Rape is a crime. Being racist per se as long as you keep it only in your head and it doesn't affect anyone (you don't discriminate) is not a criminal act,
in fact people will never know. The victim of rape will definately know if someone rapes him or her (yes men also get raped, obviously much less frequently though). SA has very high child abuse and rape figures - heck and murder figures. If some people want to be ashamed of that, its a good thing. As for racism, racism exists everywhere, try to live in India or marry an Indian girl and see if the family accepts you.
I have many friends (from 4 continents) who tried cross ethnic relationships which never worked out at the end, usually the family gave too much resistance, from both sides.
How can you feel ashamed for the actions of another person?
I feel outraged and angry that there are so many rapes happening in SA, and that not enough is being done to prevent them... but feel *ashamed*? Not at all.
I have no control of the actions of others, and can therefore feel no shame.
Well....yes, but that's not the reason.... and anyhow it'd be the first time by you, so it definitely wasn't the reason.
Sure
You were wrong....again :D
More like realising that I'd be wasting my time trying to get anything into your narrow mind...
Like in your last post when you tried and failed to get your wrong interpretation into my thankfully norrow mind which had it correct.
I'll leave it at that - no point in continuing in the face of obstinate ignorance.
Have fun.
Cheers until the next time. :)
I never thought that I would ever agree with Alan on something but he's got a point here: Zola is ashamed to be a man because "we" raped 500000 women. Well, by that logic I am ashamed to be a man because Stalin was also a man and he killed 20 million of his countrymen. I'm also ashamed to be white because many white people kept slaves 300 years ago. I'm ashamed to be married because I know of many married guys that cheat on their wifes. I can go on and on...
Exactly.
Emo Alan :D
Don't think so. Black clothes shows up cat hair and fluff that's a bugger to get off.
Rape is a crime. Being racist per se as long as you keep it only in your head and it doesn't affect anyone (you don't discriminate) is not a criminal act,
in fact people will never know. The victim of rape will definately know if someone rapes him or her (yes men also get raped, obviously much less frequently though). SA has very high child abuse and rape figures - heck and murder figures. If some people want to be ashamed of that, its a good thing. As for racism, racism exists everywhere, try to live in India or marry an Indian girl and see if the family accepts you.
I have many friends (from 4 continents) who tried cross ethnic relationships which never worked out at the end, usually the family gave too much resistance, from both sides.
Well then you can use racist crimes. A victim would definately know. Rape happens everywhere as well.
It'a never a good thing to be ashamed of yourself or other innocent people based on the fact you share the same gender or race as somebody who has commited the crime.
Aim it at those responsible not some innocent person based solely on some irrelavant generalisation
dlk001
20-01-2008, 11:16 PM
Well done Zola!
JustAsk
20-01-2008, 11:18 PM
Well done Zola!
AMEN
PeterCH
20-01-2008, 11:20 PM
Well then you can use racist crimes.
Didn't I say 'as long as you only keep it within your head'?
Once you murder or attack someone, for whatever reason (excluding defence) you are breaking the law. If you dislike person X but you
don't do anything about it you're not guilty of anything. If governments hound you for this though, it becomes a very serious breach of personal civil rights.
People experience things differently. I'm a guy and heck I love looking at women but I would never rape one. Its just not in me. Some people would, heck some guys wouldn't even find anything wrong in it. She's wearing as skirt, she's acting in a seductive way, obviously she wants it. Sometimes these feelings are reinforced by culture, sometimes by lack of parental instruction, sometimes by alcohol and other times the individual has
anti-social personality disorder or is incapable of feeling empathy.
Many guys have a gung-ho attitude towards women and see them as sexual objects only, add a little alcohol and a naive woman who may misread some
signs and you have a rape situation.
Nope, mods cannot see who rated a thread, nor what rating they gave the thread.
Oh okay thanks
cmj001
20-01-2008, 11:35 PM
Okay 'if' you were white would you be ashamed?
What has race got to do with this ? Saw the ad... makes sense to me. What is the big deal people?? :confused:
JustAsk
20-01-2008, 11:42 PM
What has race got to do with this ? Saw the ad... makes sense to me. What is the big deal people?? :confused:
There is no big deal,but because of that Alan is making a big deal of it.
dlk001
20-01-2008, 11:48 PM
There is no big deal,but because of that Alan is making a big deal of it.
No BIG deal indeedl. C'mon Zola, get the message out there!
phenom
21-01-2008, 12:37 AM
find this ad annoying too, it's like men are made of snails, ...
phenom
21-01-2008, 12:43 AM
"every year, we rape 500,000 woman"
so, what, every year, i rape 500,000 woman.
am I not supposed to be proud of this?:rolleyes:
"every year, we rape 500,000 woman"
so, what, every year, i rape 500,000 woman.
am I not supposed to be proud of this?:rolleyes:
So you admit you rape women?:eek:
phenom
21-01-2008, 01:34 AM
So you admit you rape women?:eek:
according to this ad: Yes I raped, 500,000 of them, hey, and so did you; we raped 500,000 woman:eek:
GavinMannion
21-01-2008, 06:10 AM
I do find it funny to see who is on each side of the fence about this advert.
Latent guilty feelings about something. I watched the ad again in the cold light of the morning and I think it's fantastic. Lets hope it gets a lot of airplay, however I have a feeling some whining little plicks are going to stop that from happening.
Oh and ALan you seriously think anyone except you cares about the 1 gold star?
[Edit] I just noticed that this thread is now the N&C section which means I ain't coming back... enjoy
eltherza
21-01-2008, 08:01 AM
I do find it funny to see who is on each side of the fence about this advert.
Latent guilty feelings about something. I watched the ad again in the cold light of the morning and I think it's fantastic. Lets hope it gets a lot of airplay, however I have a feeling some whining little plicks are going to stop that from happening.
Oh and ALan you seriously think anyone except you cares about the 1 gold star?
[Edit] I just noticed that this thread is now the N&C section which means I ain't coming back... enjoy
Personally I hate that advert. Essentially he's calling me a rapist.
The advert is stupid none the less. Do you really think rapist care about that advert? Will it make a change? No.
What has race got to do with this ? Saw the ad... makes sense to me. What is the big deal people?? :confused:
Can you not see that I have explained that already. Not much more I can do if it goes right over the head. It's called generalisation. I find being held responsible( along with all S.A males) for rape 'a big deal'. Worryingly you don't :confused:
Well done Zola!
AMEN
LOL well done for going on T.V and claiming that he and you two rape
woman. Yes bravo cheer him on :cool:
I do find it funny to see who is on each side of the fence about this advert.
Latent guilty feelings about something. I watched the ad again in the cold light of the morning and I think it's fantastic. Lets hope it gets a lot of airplay, however I have a feeling some whining little plicks are going to stop that from happening.
Actually I find it extraordinarily ironic at those who were( GM, Fudzy and co) so concerned at me having a problem with this add, outrageously implying suspicion I had raped somebody when in the add, which they had no problem with, stated "we (ie them. GM, Fudzy and co) raped 500 000 woman" :o
It seems I should be the one worried about you lot :eek:
Oh and ALan you seriously think anyone except you cares about the 1 gold star?
[Edit] I just noticed that this thread is now the N&C section which means I ain't coming back... enjoy
LOL I see you cared enough to bring it up :D