dlk001
27-01-2008, 07:31 PM
Shocking stuff on Carte Blanche. Its everything we been suspecting but the expose is shocking still.
View Full Version : Carte Blanche on Eskom
gdiza
27-01-2008, 07:31 PM
I think dlk001 means this: http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/Story.asp?Id=3444
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:32 PM
No you are wrong - It is far worse than what I thought
The Cosmos
27-01-2008, 07:34 PM
and the surprises keep coming. :eek:
dlk001
27-01-2008, 07:35 PM
If the mines are having coal stock shortage, I wonder where the coal is gonna come from?
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 07:37 PM
I want a transcript - or maybe someone recorded it?
I know you cannot legally give it to me, but I can come over to your house and watch it.
;)
I know you cannot legally give it to me, but I can come over to your house and watch it.
;)
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:38 PM
There is no coal shortage - Eskom is not buying coal thats the problem
dlk001
27-01-2008, 07:39 PM
I want a transcript - or maybe someone recorded it?
I know you cannot legally give it to me, but I can come over to your house and watch it.
;)
We are still lucky to be having electricity and watching it.
I know you cannot legally give it to me, but I can come over to your house and watch it.
;)
We are still lucky to be having electricity and watching it.
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 07:40 PM
There is no coal shortage - Eskom is not buying coal thats the problem
And according to the Eskom guy on Focus: "the rain is making the coal turn to mud" :rolleyes:
And according to the Eskom guy on Focus: "the rain is making the coal turn to mud" :rolleyes:
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:40 PM
Eskom sent 761 megawtts to Maputo last week + 467megawatts 103megawatts 51megawts to Zim, Namibia etc last week while we had blackouts !!
****ing disgrace !!!!
****ing disgrace !!!!
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:40 PM
And according to the Eskom guy on Focus: "the rain is making the coal turn to mud" :rolleyes:Sorry but its Rubbish, check this guy swerving on TV - :mad:
hj2k_x
27-01-2008, 07:42 PM
Eskom sent 761 megawtts to Maputo last week + 467megawatts 103megawatts 51megawts to Zim, Namibia etc last week while we had blackouts !!
****ing disgrace !!!!
Yip, that was shocking indeed!
****ing disgrace !!!!
Yip, that was shocking indeed!
gdiza
27-01-2008, 07:43 PM
marine1; listen buddy, go get a Amstel, sit down and calm the f down... you're gonna give yourself a heart attack at this rate :D
Freshy-ZN
27-01-2008, 07:45 PM
Shame that poor guy Steve who had to answer the questions......he was sweating!
And it also comes to light (pun?) that Eskom have just signed a 5 year contract with Botswana for 350MW a month! The lies have been exposed. Heads should now start rolling but they wont.
And it also comes to light (pun?) that Eskom have just signed a 5 year contract with Botswana for 350MW a month! The lies have been exposed. Heads should now start rolling but they wont.
sand_man
27-01-2008, 07:45 PM
I understood that Eskom isn't paying a rate for coal which can sustain the transport companies transporting it to the power stations...
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:45 PM
You know what? This just proves what I said a couple of weeks agoi, Eskom is pulling the same scam as Enron did when i was in the usa. These guys should all be locked up.
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:46 PM
I understood that Eskom isn't paying a rate for coal which can sustain the transport companies transporting it to the power stations...
correct.
correct.
sand_man
27-01-2008, 07:46 PM
he was sweating!
And his blinking was getting progressively worse too...
And his blinking was getting progressively worse too...
ToxicBunny
27-01-2008, 07:47 PM
demmit, the transcript needs to go up NOW.. *mutter*
I need to see whats getting him so worked up.
I need to see whats getting him so worked up.
pimal3
27-01-2008, 07:47 PM
Sure sign that he is lying and keeping quiet about something even worse.
Ps. Where on the internet did he buy his doctorate from?
Ps. Where on the internet did he buy his doctorate from?
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Sorry but its Rubbish, check this guy swerving on TV - :mad:
You missed my point.
How does coal become mud? Coal is carbon, mud is wet silicon.
It sounds like either an honest error, or that the coal is very poor quality, and contains a lot of "dirt".
You missed my point.
How does coal become mud? Coal is carbon, mud is wet silicon.
It sounds like either an honest error, or that the coal is very poor quality, and contains a lot of "dirt".
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:48 PM
And his blinking was getting progressively worse too...
Yes , but he was told what to say, not his fault. Funny how they put a whiye guy there
Yes , but he was told what to say, not his fault. Funny how they put a whiye guy there
sand_man
27-01-2008, 07:48 PM
correct.Well best they start. The 2 main power stations aren't running at optimum not because there's anything technically wrong with them but because they not being fired up with enough coal!!!! I mean WTF is up with that??!!
DarkDenim
27-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Eskom sent 761 megawtts to Maputo last week + 467megawatts 103megawatts 51megawts to Zim, Namibia etc last week while we had blackouts !!
****ing disgrace !!!!
FU*K!!!! I went mad when I heard that and I'm still p1ssed the fu*k off!
That Steve Lennon guy claims that Eskom's power output is better than the INT benchmark. How the heck is that possible stupid? Eskom CEO is another d00s that needs to get his @ss kicked.
****ing disgrace !!!!
FU*K!!!! I went mad when I heard that and I'm still p1ssed the fu*k off!
That Steve Lennon guy claims that Eskom's power output is better than the INT benchmark. How the heck is that possible stupid? Eskom CEO is another d00s that needs to get his @ss kicked.
dlk001
27-01-2008, 07:49 PM
I understood that Eskom isn't paying a rate for coal which can sustain the transport companies transporting it to the power stations...
40cents per ton. I hear its pathetic rate forcing them to go out of business.
40cents per ton. I hear its pathetic rate forcing them to go out of business.
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:50 PM
You missed my point.
How does coal become mud? Coal is carbon, mud is wet silicon.
It sounds like either an honest error, or that the coal is very poor quality, and contains a lot of "dirt".oops sorry :D just so bloody cross
How does coal become mud? Coal is carbon, mud is wet silicon.
It sounds like either an honest error, or that the coal is very poor quality, and contains a lot of "dirt".oops sorry :D just so bloody cross
gdiza
27-01-2008, 07:50 PM
Black guy would've been too ironic :D
Black guy talking about black outs :D
AND I'M NOT BEING RACIST! (aimed at a few of my favourite post whores)
Black guy talking about black outs :D
AND I'M NOT BEING RACIST! (aimed at a few of my favourite post whores)
Alan
27-01-2008, 07:50 PM
Whoa I knew this was coming but still watching it actually unfold makes me :sick:
Excellent show.
Confirmed a lot of what we already know. Increasing demand being the problem is complete BS. Losing that astonishing amount of capacity in one year is mindboggling. Then unbelievably blaming it on 'wet coal'. Words just can not describe it :o
Sorry but these new power stations aren't gonna solve anything. The infrastructure is falling apart completely and there is no coal at the stations because of Eskom's and the ANC's racist policies.
Welcome to the jungle
Excellent show.
Confirmed a lot of what we already know. Increasing demand being the problem is complete BS. Losing that astonishing amount of capacity in one year is mindboggling. Then unbelievably blaming it on 'wet coal'. Words just can not describe it :o
Sorry but these new power stations aren't gonna solve anything. The infrastructure is falling apart completely and there is no coal at the stations because of Eskom's and the ANC's racist policies.
Welcome to the jungle
Stokstert
27-01-2008, 07:50 PM
The interviewed was really sweating to answer questions about his CEO's statements made earlier that no electricity is exported. The questions are just never answered.
Why did Eskom's CEO decline to be interviewed? Rather let a lightly coloured sweat it out and make an ::sehole of himself.
Why did Eskom's CEO decline to be interviewed? Rather let a lightly coloured sweat it out and make an ::sehole of himself.
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:50 PM
Now you see the product of the new SA. Wonderful hey? AA and BEE.
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:51 PM
We are more fckud than I thought.
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 07:51 PM
I find it gobsmacking that Maroga did not make it.
That alone shows the spineless cowards that run this country.
That alone shows the spineless cowards that run this country.
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:52 PM
Yes Moeder - I agree. What a w@ncer.
nauseous_monkey
27-01-2008, 07:54 PM
Seems to me Eskom has some m0erse big problems...
Not enough Coal Supply... then they go and cut the power to the mines :rolleyes:
And did I hear something about national black out?!
Not enough Coal Supply... then they go and cut the power to the mines :rolleyes:
And did I hear something about national black out?!
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 07:57 PM
And did I hear something about national black out?!
I am trying so hard not to pun that last word.
Oops - I failed.
I am trying so hard not to pun that last word.
Oops - I failed.
Alan
27-01-2008, 07:57 PM
We are scheduled to have our power failure at 8. But I see one stadium in town with flood light beaming FFS :rolleyes:
Slooth
27-01-2008, 07:58 PM
All that exporting of electricity to add to their bottom line, the result fo which is powercuts for us. Now they want to increase the cost of electricity for us...
More management bonuses this year, they have to get the money from somewhere.
More management bonuses this year, they have to get the money from somewhere.
dlk001
27-01-2008, 07:58 PM
When Steve is being cornered about the huge bonuses, he says "One has to look at awards that Eskom has received" What f****n Awards? What a shocking statement!
marine1
27-01-2008, 07:59 PM
104524 no
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
boramk
27-01-2008, 07:59 PM
can somebody post a link to the article or a utube video? i was cut off
sand_man
27-01-2008, 08:00 PM
We are more fckud than I thought.Actually we might be LESS fckud then we thought. If Eskom runs the 2 main power stations at optimum by firing them up with more coal they would produce up to 3000MW more power so what the **** the waiting for??!!!
There was that comparative where this time in 2005 there was in excess of 33000MW of power produced while this year it was 28000MW odd and that was partially attributed to the fires being to small at the 2 main power stations (that's what they said, fires are to small and therefore generating less power).
There was that comparative where this time in 2005 there was in excess of 33000MW of power produced while this year it was 28000MW odd and that was partially attributed to the fires being to small at the 2 main power stations (that's what they said, fires are to small and therefore generating less power).
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:01 PM
104524 no
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
LOL 1037 said yes. :D
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
LOL 1037 said yes. :D
feo
27-01-2008, 08:01 PM
can somebody post a link to the article or a utube video? i was cut off
+1 please.
+1 please.
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:02 PM
104524 no
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
lol
That is HORRIBLE.
what is the number and what must I sms?
I want to add my voice
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
lol
That is HORRIBLE.
what is the number and what must I sms?
I want to add my voice
gdiza
27-01-2008, 08:02 PM
LOL 1037 said yes. :D
I know who those 1037 people were.
Eskom employees...
Check here: http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/story.asp?Id=3444
Transcript COMING!
I know who those 1037 people were.
Eskom employees...
Check here: http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/story.asp?Id=3444
Transcript COMING!
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:02 PM
Hold on rewinding my pvr
ToxicBunny
27-01-2008, 08:03 PM
transcript not yet available on the site yet....
dlk001
27-01-2008, 08:03 PM
104524 no
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
LOL, 1037 sent by Eskom.
1037 yes
Will Eskom fix the problem - vote on carte blanche
LOL, 1037 sent by Eskom.
Iwojima
27-01-2008, 08:03 PM
LOL 1037 said yes. :D
Upper management Eskom employees no doubt :rolleyes:
Upper management Eskom employees no doubt :rolleyes:
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:03 PM
lol
That is HORRIBLE.
what is the number and what must I sms?
I want to add my voice
33404 IIRC
That is HORRIBLE.
what is the number and what must I sms?
I want to add my voice
33404 IIRC
sand_man
27-01-2008, 08:04 PM
When Steve is being cornered about the huge bonuses, he says "One has to look at awards that Eskom has received" What f****n Awards? What a shocking statement!Yeah, that was a shocker of note... There is no vindication what so ever for bonuses. These chumps are lucky they still employed... This negligence is going to literally cost the country billions and billions of rands over the coming years. Whatever growth the economy has enjoyed over the last 10 years stands to be erased within the next 10 months. Very very sad...
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:04 PM
33404 yes or no
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:04 PM
Upper management Eskom employees no doubt :rolleyes:
Tubby, BlueCollar, GM, Fudzy........
:D
Tubby, BlueCollar, GM, Fudzy........
:D
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:04 PM
sms charged at R1.5
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:05 PM
Tubby, BlueCollar, GM, Fudzy........
:D
Bwahahahaha they are so very quiet now
:D
Bwahahahaha they are so very quiet now
gdiza
27-01-2008, 08:05 PM
R1555 ±
Remember, eskom has R6+ Billion to waste :)
Seems, they can only send "so many" sms's :D
Remember, eskom has R6+ Billion to waste :)
Seems, they can only send "so many" sms's :D
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:07 PM
Hold on rewinding my pvr
LMAO
ok 33404 and NO - means ESKOM will NOT fix it?
A NO vote is what I want, huh?
LMAO
ok 33404 and NO - means ESKOM will NOT fix it?
A NO vote is what I want, huh?
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:07 PM
What a shocker.
Iwojima
27-01-2008, 08:07 PM
sms charged at R1.5
All proceeds to go towards buying Eskom some more coal :p
All proceeds to go towards buying Eskom some more coal :p
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:07 PM
LMAO
ok 33404 and NO - means ESKOM will NOT fix it?
A NO vote is what I want, huh?correct ;)
ok 33404 and NO - means ESKOM will NOT fix it?
A NO vote is what I want, huh?correct ;)
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:08 PM
Tubby, BlueCollar, Halicon, GM, Fudzy........
:D
Ag - to be fair, Halicon is not as bad as the rest.
He does sometimes vote the other way (sewage post today).
Tubby (sic) is long gone!
:D
Ag - to be fair, Halicon is not as bad as the rest.
He does sometimes vote the other way (sewage post today).
Tubby (sic) is long gone!
sand_man
27-01-2008, 08:08 PM
Despite SA being a so-called net importer and reselling that imported electricity to neighbouring countries it's surely unconstitutional to loadshed electricity to South Africans but at the same time provide electricity to neighbouring countriesWhat I understood about that was that if we shedding in SA then they wouldn't be supplying neighbouring states. In other words we would supply only if we had surplus but last week there was shedding throughout the week across SA and still power was exported abroad so that's another lie...
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:09 PM
What I understood about that was that if we shedding in SA then they wouldn't be supplying neighbouring states. In other words we would supply only if we had surplus but last week there was shedding throughout the week across SA and still power was exported abroad so that's another lie...
Sandmann34 - do you know how to tell when a ANC monkey is lying?
His lips are moving.
Sandmann34 - do you know how to tell when a ANC monkey is lying?
His lips are moving.
feo
27-01-2008, 08:09 PM
marine1 I'm not sure how you're gonna do it but if you can up this to Youtube or something that'd be great man.
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:10 PM
I would spend all the money on bandwidth to do it. If you guys tell me how to get it off my pvr I will do it.
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:10 PM
marine1 I'm not sure how you're gonna do it but if you can up this to Youtube or something that'd be great man.
I will buy a virtual beer to whoever can up load this for me.
Someone PMed me an offer (thanks - you know who), but I can only organise an FTP tomorrow.
I will buy a virtual beer to whoever can up load this for me.
Someone PMed me an offer (thanks - you know who), but I can only organise an FTP tomorrow.
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:10 PM
Ag - to be fair, Halicon is not as bad as the rest.
Yeah true. I just realised it. I'll remove him and apologies to halicon. I'll pay for a few lesbians for him
Tubby (sic) is long gone!
:(
Yeah true. I just realised it. I'll remove him and apologies to halicon. I'll pay for a few lesbians for him
Tubby (sic) is long gone!
:(
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:11 PM
Maybe if i film it with my video camera? then upload it
The Cosmos
27-01-2008, 08:11 PM
LOL 1037 said yes. :D
Sad people. :D
Sad people. :D
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:11 PM
Hold on gonna get my camera
abjater
27-01-2008, 08:12 PM
LOL 1037 said yes. :D
1037 - maybe eskom started a groep woeps and promised staffers power at home for the week IF they vote YES
1037 - maybe eskom started a groep woeps and promised staffers power at home for the week IF they vote YES
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:12 PM
Maybe if i film it with my video camera? then upload it
can you not plug the PVR into the camera / PC ?
then "record realtime" off PVR to PC?
can you not plug the PVR into the camera / PC ?
then "record realtime" off PVR to PC?
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:13 PM
1037 - maybe eskom started a groep woeps and promised staffers power at home for the week IF they vote YES
they are still 300 short - they are trying to get it to 1337.
:p:D
they are still 300 short - they are trying to get it to 1337.
:p:D
feo
27-01-2008, 08:13 PM
Where's TivoZA when you need him?
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:14 PM
can you not plug the PVR into the camera / PC ?
then "record realtime" off PVR to PC?not to my knowledge
then "record realtime" off PVR to PC?not to my knowledge
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:15 PM
This is gonna take too long, have to still render it after recording :(:(
sand_man
27-01-2008, 08:16 PM
Sandmann34 - do you know how to tell when a ANC monkey is lying?
His lips are moving.apparently
His lips are moving.apparently
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:17 PM
whats the 33404 vote now?
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:19 PM
96.6% voted against eskom
ToxicBunny
27-01-2008, 08:19 PM
No more numbers....
No - 96.6%
Yes - 3.4%
No - 96.6%
Yes - 3.4%
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:21 PM
What a pity that the voting masses were not able to vote - or see the program.
I wonder if SABC 1 will try air it? BWAHAAHA
I wonder if SABC 1 will try air it? BWAHAAHA
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:22 PM
Yeah right. Just reinforces my opinion of Africa.
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:26 PM
What a pity that the voting masses were not able to vote - or see the program.
I wonder if SABC 1 will try air it? BWAHAAHA
My yuppie neighbours were having yet another noise fest ( 3rd weekend in a row) totally oblivious. Even if the power went out the noise would continue because it's coming from the BMW's sound system that you and I paid for with our taxes.
I wonder if SABC 1 will try air it? BWAHAAHA
My yuppie neighbours were having yet another noise fest ( 3rd weekend in a row) totally oblivious. Even if the power went out the noise would continue because it's coming from the BMW's sound system that you and I paid for with our taxes.
Road runner
27-01-2008, 08:27 PM
Great program! :) Ha.. Ha.. Wet coal indeed! As for Kouga! LOL! What can I say. ;)
gdiza
27-01-2008, 08:28 PM
marine1; you didn't have a very good opinon of Africa to start with :)
dunno how you can say that it's reinforcing it cause you alone are ready to rip some heads off and shyte down some throats :D
dunno how you can say that it's reinforcing it cause you alone are ready to rip some heads off and shyte down some throats :D
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:28 PM
My yuppie neighbours were having yet another noise fest ( 3rd weekend in a row) totally oblivious.
When people do not keep an eye on their leaders, they should not complain when their leaders lead them to disaster.
When people do not keep an eye on their leaders, they should not complain when their leaders lead them to disaster.
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:30 PM
marine1; you didn't have a very good opinon of Africa to start with :)
dunno how you can say that it's reinforcing it cause you alone are ready to rip some heads off and shyte down some throats :D
Marine1 just voices his opinions too vehemently and emotionally, at times.
He is however, on occasion, spot on.
This is one of those times - let him have his moment. :D
@marine1: I personally do not mind your antics, BTW. A good show!
dunno how you can say that it's reinforcing it cause you alone are ready to rip some heads off and shyte down some throats :D
Marine1 just voices his opinions too vehemently and emotionally, at times.
He is however, on occasion, spot on.
This is one of those times - let him have his moment. :D
@marine1: I personally do not mind your antics, BTW. A good show!
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:35 PM
Thanks guys. Sorry for the ranting and raving just very upset with what has happened here. :(
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:35 PM
When people do not keep an eye on their leaders, they should not complain when their leaders lead them to disaster.
True but IMO they couldn't care less about S.A heading towards disaster but they've got their money and power. As Africa has shown time and again that there is a huge wealth gap in almost all the countries. A minute fraction of super rich and the rest live in absolute poverty. Driving around in BMWs while everyone around them is living in sewage fulled shacks.
It seems nobody treats an African worse than their fellow African :o
True but IMO they couldn't care less about S.A heading towards disaster but they've got their money and power. As Africa has shown time and again that there is a huge wealth gap in almost all the countries. A minute fraction of super rich and the rest live in absolute poverty. Driving around in BMWs while everyone around them is living in sewage fulled shacks.
It seems nobody treats an African worse than their fellow African :o
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:37 PM
Thanks guys. Sorry for the ranting and raving just very upset with what has happened here. :(
You have every right to be.
I was speaking to my mom today and I said:
"This situation is now as bad as we all said it would get - probably worse.
And, to be honest, a lot of us 'exaggerated' a bit - and we, in the back of our minds, knew we were. It is human nature to exaggerate both failures and successes. However, even then, we still did not foresee this much of a disaster"
You have every right to be.
I was speaking to my mom today and I said:
"This situation is now as bad as we all said it would get - probably worse.
And, to be honest, a lot of us 'exaggerated' a bit - and we, in the back of our minds, knew we were. It is human nature to exaggerate both failures and successes. However, even then, we still did not foresee this much of a disaster"
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:39 PM
Thanks guys. Sorry for the ranting and raving just very upset with what has happened here. :(
No need to apologise.
:)
No need to apologise.
:)
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:41 PM
Poor marine1.
Even in his greatest glory - the moment he prophesied, people poke at him!
If only tibby.dude were here to witness his success!
/joke
Even in his greatest glory - the moment he prophesied, people poke at him!
If only tibby.dude were here to witness his success!
/joke
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:41 PM
You have every right to be.
I was speaking to my mom today and I said:
"This situation is now as bad as we all said it would get - probably worse.
And, to be honest, a lot of us 'exaggerated' a bit - and we, in the back of our minds, knew we were. It is human nature to exaggerate both failures and successes. However, even then, we still did not foresee this much of a disaster"
I'm sorry to say but this IMO is only the begining. There is still a long way to go. In my mind there was no doubt this would happen and there is still no doubt it will get far worse. :(
I was speaking to my mom today and I said:
"This situation is now as bad as we all said it would get - probably worse.
And, to be honest, a lot of us 'exaggerated' a bit - and we, in the back of our minds, knew we were. It is human nature to exaggerate both failures and successes. However, even then, we still did not foresee this much of a disaster"
I'm sorry to say but this IMO is only the begining. There is still a long way to go. In my mind there was no doubt this would happen and there is still no doubt it will get far worse. :(
bekdik
27-01-2008, 08:45 PM
I find it gobsmacking that Maroga did not make it.
That alone shows the spineless cowards that run this country.
Isn't he a Jakob?
That alone shows the spineless cowards that run this country.
Isn't he a Jakob?
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 08:47 PM
Isn't he a Jakob?
Jacob with a "c" is how I have seen it.
Poetically speaking though, he is a Judas.
Jacob with a "c" is how I have seen it.
Poetically speaking though, he is a Judas.
marine1
27-01-2008, 08:54 PM
Poor marine1.
Even in his greatest glory - the moment he prophesied, people poke at him!
If only tibby.dude were here to witness his success!
/joke
Yeah can you believe it?? :D
Even in his greatest glory - the moment he prophesied, people poke at him!
If only tibby.dude were here to witness his success!
/joke
Yeah can you believe it?? :D
3G4me
27-01-2008, 08:55 PM
Gosh this is soooo sad....
Makes sense what Carte Blanche was saying in between the lines. Eskom (state) refusing to pay price for coal and transport thereof, so the coal mines either supply lowest quality (useless) coal, or don't supply at all. If they supply, Eskom cannot transport it, 'cos they are paying slave labour prices. According to "Dr Steve", that is their policy.
Answer for Eskom - load shed the public so they pissed off enough to be relieved when mines shut down and we get power with no load shedding, then cut off the mines (those that use/purchase coal, including the sasol plant so that the coal mines cannot sell anywhere else) and cut off 6 out of the 9 coal mines. Force them to supply Eskom coal at below cost?
Sounds like a dictatorship to me... Did they learn it from Mugabe?
Makes sense what Carte Blanche was saying in between the lines. Eskom (state) refusing to pay price for coal and transport thereof, so the coal mines either supply lowest quality (useless) coal, or don't supply at all. If they supply, Eskom cannot transport it, 'cos they are paying slave labour prices. According to "Dr Steve", that is their policy.
Answer for Eskom - load shed the public so they pissed off enough to be relieved when mines shut down and we get power with no load shedding, then cut off the mines (those that use/purchase coal, including the sasol plant so that the coal mines cannot sell anywhere else) and cut off 6 out of the 9 coal mines. Force them to supply Eskom coal at below cost?
Sounds like a dictatorship to me... Did they learn it from Mugabe?
PCTECH
27-01-2008, 08:56 PM
Great program! :) Ha.. Ha.. Wet coal indeed! As for Kouga! LOL! What can I say. ;)
That's Coega :D - Kouga is the Jeffreys Bay area and we don't have/want a smelter thanks :sick:
That's Coega :D - Kouga is the Jeffreys Bay area and we don't have/want a smelter thanks :sick:
Alan
27-01-2008, 08:59 PM
Well no power failure again :cool:
Yuppies are now having another fight :D
Yuppies are now having another fight :D
marine1
27-01-2008, 09:00 PM
Sounds like a dictatorship to me... Did they learn it from Mugabe?
And vote rigging
And vote rigging
abjater
27-01-2008, 09:07 PM
Gosh this is soooo sad....
Makes sense what Carte Blanche was saying in between the lines. ......
Sounds like a dictatorship to me... Did they learn it from Mugabe?
Perhaps a very well devised political plot to destabilise our economy and our nation!
Like one of the local political figures told me - did I realise this eskom nonsense flared up again just after Zuma got elected ..... ??
:eek::eek:
Makes sense what Carte Blanche was saying in between the lines. ......
Sounds like a dictatorship to me... Did they learn it from Mugabe?
Perhaps a very well devised political plot to destabilise our economy and our nation!
Like one of the local political figures told me - did I realise this eskom nonsense flared up again just after Zuma got elected ..... ??
:eek::eek:
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 09:10 PM
Perhaps a very well devised political plot to destabilise our economy and our nation!
Like one of the local political figures told me - did I realise this eskom nonsense flared up again just after Zuma got elected ..... ??
:eek::eek:
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Like one of the local political figures told me - did I realise this eskom nonsense flared up again just after Zuma got elected ..... ??
:eek::eek:
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
abjater
27-01-2008, 09:15 PM
I thought that word is spelled inKOMpetence ... all "nasty" things tend to have "kom" as part of the word.
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Moederloos
27-01-2008, 09:17 PM
I thought that word is spelled inKOMpetence ... all "nasty" things tend to have "kom" as part of the word.
:rolleyes:
lol - I am going to spell it like that this week.
inkompetence.
:rolleyes:
lol - I am going to spell it like that this week.
inkompetence.
Sapphiron
27-01-2008, 09:17 PM
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Well said.
2 core government policies are largly to blame for Eishkom's Power problems.
1. AA - Chasing away all the skilled workers
2. BEE - talking work from companies that can deliver, and give it to your "stuggle comrade"
Well said.
2 core government policies are largly to blame for Eishkom's Power problems.
1. AA - Chasing away all the skilled workers
2. BEE - talking work from companies that can deliver, and give it to your "stuggle comrade"
Alan
27-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Tubby is in the house :eek:
:D
:D
tibby.dude
27-01-2008, 09:36 PM
Tubby (sic) is long gone!
I am still around .... just took a well deserved vacation.
I am still around .... just took a well deserved vacation.
Chris
27-01-2008, 09:40 PM
Great!
Now we can hear more of your ANC-apologist speak! :D
On-topic: Didn't really surprise me, this is Africa we're talking about :o
Now we can hear more of your ANC-apologist speak! :D
On-topic: Didn't really surprise me, this is Africa we're talking about :o
Skeptik
27-01-2008, 09:55 PM
I've just watched the first 1/2 on MNA. What a revealing expose!!
Most problems can directly be attributed to BEE/AA and lack of planning.
They flew over the power stations and saw for themselves there was NO STOCK OF COAL. It seems they squeezed the coal transporters until they went bankrupt.
Most problems can directly be attributed to BEE/AA and lack of planning.
They flew over the power stations and saw for themselves there was NO STOCK OF COAL. It seems they squeezed the coal transporters until they went bankrupt.
TheRoDent
27-01-2008, 10:08 PM
I've just watched the first 1/2 on MNA. What a revealing expose!!
What is MNA, please tell ?
What is MNA, please tell ?
Skeptik
27-01-2008, 10:11 PM
MNET Africa. Sometimes they show things there first, different things also - and often repeat normal Mnet stuff later.
tibby.dude
27-01-2008, 10:12 PM
They flew over the power stations and saw for themselves there was NO STOCK OF COAL.
The stellar in depth Carte Blanche reporting again.
Considering that Majuba burns 50,000 TONS of coal per day (equivalent of a 3-storey-high rugby pitch) it is rather farking impossible for there to be none.
Did they mention which ones they flew over btw ???.
Perhaps it was Grootvlei or Komati which were mothballed in the 80's and now being re-commisioned.
The stellar in depth Carte Blanche reporting again.
Considering that Majuba burns 50,000 TONS of coal per day (equivalent of a 3-storey-high rugby pitch) it is rather farking impossible for there to be none.
Did they mention which ones they flew over btw ???.
Perhaps it was Grootvlei or Komati which were mothballed in the 80's and now being re-commisioned.
Ricard
27-01-2008, 10:18 PM
*bump*
Youtube anyone?
Youtube anyone?
feo
27-01-2008, 10:19 PM
zoopy?
Sapphiron
27-01-2008, 10:22 PM
The stellar in depth Carte Blanche reporting again.
Considering that Majuba burns 50,000 TONS of coal per day (equivalent of a 3-storey-high rugby pitch) it is rather farking impossible for there to be none.
Did they mention which ones they flew over btw ???.
Perhaps it was Grootvlei or Komati which were mothballed in the 80's and now being re-commisioned.
They did, they were "operational"
You could see a handful of vehicles dropping coal. They also talked to some of the truck drivers who used to drop coal, there talking of "hundreds of trucks Q'ing every day"
Considering that Majuba burns 50,000 TONS of coal per day (equivalent of a 3-storey-high rugby pitch) it is rather farking impossible for there to be none.
Did they mention which ones they flew over btw ???.
Perhaps it was Grootvlei or Komati which were mothballed in the 80's and now being re-commisioned.
They did, they were "operational"
You could see a handful of vehicles dropping coal. They also talked to some of the truck drivers who used to drop coal, there talking of "hundreds of trucks Q'ing every day"
StrongTurd
27-01-2008, 10:29 PM
I find it extremely ironic that AA and BEE is now ending up hurting the very people that were supposed to benefit from it. Kry vir jou, Eksdom!
tibby.dude
27-01-2008, 10:32 PM
You could see a handful of vehicles dropping coal. They also talked to some of the truck drivers who used to drop coal, there talking of "hundreds of trucks Q'ing every day"
http://www.miningmx.com/energy/825120.htm
Speculation amongst coal industry sources this week was that Eskom’s power stations were down to as low as a five day reserve of coal that it could burn.
Possible reasons for this development include the impact of the rain and the facts that Eskom has been running its plants flat out while the utility has been buying a lot more of the coal it burns on the spot market.
Eskom has traditionally bought the bulk of its coal through long-term supply contracts with the collieries contractually “tied-in” to supply the various power stations.
Buying on the spot market has exposed Eskom to a greater degree of competition with the export market where prices have soared from around $40/t fob Richards Bay two years ago to around $100/t currently.
Export coal is generally higher grade than the coal burnt by Eskom but it seems soaring demand and prices have encouraged coal companies to upgrade more of their product for export.
http://www.miningmx.com/energy/825120.htm
Speculation amongst coal industry sources this week was that Eskom’s power stations were down to as low as a five day reserve of coal that it could burn.
Possible reasons for this development include the impact of the rain and the facts that Eskom has been running its plants flat out while the utility has been buying a lot more of the coal it burns on the spot market.
Eskom has traditionally bought the bulk of its coal through long-term supply contracts with the collieries contractually “tied-in” to supply the various power stations.
Buying on the spot market has exposed Eskom to a greater degree of competition with the export market where prices have soared from around $40/t fob Richards Bay two years ago to around $100/t currently.
Export coal is generally higher grade than the coal burnt by Eskom but it seems soaring demand and prices have encouraged coal companies to upgrade more of their product for export.
Sneeky
27-01-2008, 10:42 PM
Noting really new being exposed by Carte Blanche with the exception of concrete numbers on the exports.
Eskom and government have been contradicting themselves and each other the last 2 weeks when asked about exports so it was obvious that they had stopped nothing and were continuing the supply to our neighbors despite our industry being crippled by power cuts.
Realistically speaking though, is it even a viable option to stop supply?
Botswana gets I think 75% of their power from SA, if we shut them off completely we would only compound the crisis for the region as a whole. Tough decisions indeed.
As for the coal issue, the numbers quoted were for transporting coal, not the coal price as such iirc.
The main point it seems is that the power stations are producing less electricity than they did last year, or the year before that. There is no excuse for this other than bad management.
The transportation of coal was outsourced to a number of BEE contractors, some with little or no experience of this type of operation. The one was an interior designer or something.
Add the bad state of roads to and from the power stations taking their toll on the reliability of the trucks and their maintainance costs, the amount Eskom was paying these contractors did not amount to a number that was even remotely possible for a business to continue.
Coal stock piles at the power plants are apparently at an all time low, in the past being enough on site for 30-45 days. We have some of the cheapest coal in the world and plenty of it, but we, for some or other reason, are incapable of getting this coal to the power stations.
The rain has always been around and the coal has always been exposed to the elements the experts say so this is no excuse.
Eskom, when pressed by D Watts would not provide any information on coal availability at the power stations. I wonder why ;)
When will Eskom and the government stop lying to the public though, thats what I want to know.
Eskom and government have been contradicting themselves and each other the last 2 weeks when asked about exports so it was obvious that they had stopped nothing and were continuing the supply to our neighbors despite our industry being crippled by power cuts.
Realistically speaking though, is it even a viable option to stop supply?
Botswana gets I think 75% of their power from SA, if we shut them off completely we would only compound the crisis for the region as a whole. Tough decisions indeed.
As for the coal issue, the numbers quoted were for transporting coal, not the coal price as such iirc.
The main point it seems is that the power stations are producing less electricity than they did last year, or the year before that. There is no excuse for this other than bad management.
The transportation of coal was outsourced to a number of BEE contractors, some with little or no experience of this type of operation. The one was an interior designer or something.
Add the bad state of roads to and from the power stations taking their toll on the reliability of the trucks and their maintainance costs, the amount Eskom was paying these contractors did not amount to a number that was even remotely possible for a business to continue.
Coal stock piles at the power plants are apparently at an all time low, in the past being enough on site for 30-45 days. We have some of the cheapest coal in the world and plenty of it, but we, for some or other reason, are incapable of getting this coal to the power stations.
The rain has always been around and the coal has always been exposed to the elements the experts say so this is no excuse.
Eskom, when pressed by D Watts would not provide any information on coal availability at the power stations. I wonder why ;)
When will Eskom and the government stop lying to the public though, thats what I want to know.
Skeptik
27-01-2008, 11:11 PM
The stellar in depth Carte Blanche reporting again.
Considering that Majuba burns 50,000 TONS of coal per day (equivalent of a 3-storey-high rugby pitch) it is rather farking impossible for there to be none.
Did they mention which ones they flew over btw ???.
Perhaps it was Grootvlei or Komati which were mothballed in the 80's and now being re-commisioned.
See for yourself dude. I can post more if you want a closer look ..:D:D
Here are some stills from Carte Blanche.
This is Eskom's Tutuka Power Station coal storage facility.
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/tutuka.JPG
and Majuba
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/majuba.JPG
[from a similar thread]
Considering that Majuba burns 50,000 TONS of coal per day (equivalent of a 3-storey-high rugby pitch) it is rather farking impossible for there to be none.
Did they mention which ones they flew over btw ???.
Perhaps it was Grootvlei or Komati which were mothballed in the 80's and now being re-commisioned.
See for yourself dude. I can post more if you want a closer look ..:D:D
Here are some stills from Carte Blanche.
This is Eskom's Tutuka Power Station coal storage facility.
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/tutuka.JPG
and Majuba
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/majuba.JPG
[from a similar thread]
VJB 449
27-01-2008, 11:15 PM
It is incredible that half a million South Africans stand to lose their jobs but we are still exporting power. Still wondering when people will be getting fired because of this.
Ricard
27-01-2008, 11:20 PM
Noting really new being exposed by Carte Blanche with the exception of concrete numbers on the exports.
Eskom and government have been contradicting themselves and each other the last 2 weeks when asked about exports so it was obvious that they had stopped nothing and were continuing the supply to our neighbors despite our industry being crippled by power cuts.
Realistically speaking though, is it even a viable option to stop supply?
Botswana gets I think 75% of their power from SA, if we shut them off completely we would only compound the crisis for the region as a whole. Tough decisions indeed.
As for the coal issue, the numbers quoted were for transporting coal, not the coal price as such iirc.
The main point it seems is that the power stations are producing less electricity than they did last year, or the year before that. There is no excuse for this other than bad management.
The transportation of coal was outsourced to a number of BEE contractors, some with little or no experience of this type of operation. The one was an interior designer or something.
Add the bad state of roads to and from the power stations taking their toll on the reliability of the trucks and their maintainance costs, the amount Eskom was paying these contractors did not amount to a number that was even remotely possible for a business to continue.
Coal stock piles at the power plants are apparently at an all time low, in the past being enough on site for 30-45 days. We have some of the cheapest coal in the world and plenty of it, but we, for some or other reason, are incapable of getting this coal to the power stations.
The rain has always been around and the coal has always been exposed to the elements the experts say so this is no excuse.
Eskom, when pressed by D Watts would not provide any information on coal availability at the power stations. I wonder why ;)
When will Eskom and the government stop lying to the public though, thats what I want to know.
Another aspect that was not looked at was the location on Majuba power station.... It was built next to a coal seam.... and only to find out after the power station was built that there WAS NO COAL at the location.
10+ years ago when I was working on the project there were rumours that the land Majuba stands currently was 'organised' and the surveyor was paid for a 'favourable' report.
I was a lowly contractor then and had no-way to substantiate the claims.
:D
Eskom and government have been contradicting themselves and each other the last 2 weeks when asked about exports so it was obvious that they had stopped nothing and were continuing the supply to our neighbors despite our industry being crippled by power cuts.
Realistically speaking though, is it even a viable option to stop supply?
Botswana gets I think 75% of their power from SA, if we shut them off completely we would only compound the crisis for the region as a whole. Tough decisions indeed.
As for the coal issue, the numbers quoted were for transporting coal, not the coal price as such iirc.
The main point it seems is that the power stations are producing less electricity than they did last year, or the year before that. There is no excuse for this other than bad management.
The transportation of coal was outsourced to a number of BEE contractors, some with little or no experience of this type of operation. The one was an interior designer or something.
Add the bad state of roads to and from the power stations taking their toll on the reliability of the trucks and their maintainance costs, the amount Eskom was paying these contractors did not amount to a number that was even remotely possible for a business to continue.
Coal stock piles at the power plants are apparently at an all time low, in the past being enough on site for 30-45 days. We have some of the cheapest coal in the world and plenty of it, but we, for some or other reason, are incapable of getting this coal to the power stations.
The rain has always been around and the coal has always been exposed to the elements the experts say so this is no excuse.
Eskom, when pressed by D Watts would not provide any information on coal availability at the power stations. I wonder why ;)
When will Eskom and the government stop lying to the public though, thats what I want to know.
Another aspect that was not looked at was the location on Majuba power station.... It was built next to a coal seam.... and only to find out after the power station was built that there WAS NO COAL at the location.
10+ years ago when I was working on the project there were rumours that the land Majuba stands currently was 'organised' and the surveyor was paid for a 'favourable' report.
I was a lowly contractor then and had no-way to substantiate the claims.
:D
Skeptik
27-01-2008, 11:24 PM
It is incredible that half a million South Africans stand to lose their jobs but we are still exporting power. Still wondering when people will be getting fired because of this.
Yep, they've just renewed a 5 year contract with BPC (Botswana) starting from 5th Jan 2008.
They also supply Nampower (Namibia). When asked how much SA supplies, they answered "there is no fixed figure".
Yep, they've just renewed a 5 year contract with BPC (Botswana) starting from 5th Jan 2008.
They also supply Nampower (Namibia). When asked how much SA supplies, they answered "there is no fixed figure".
pimal3
27-01-2008, 11:28 PM
Yep, they've just renewed a 5 year contract with BPC (Botswana) starting from 5th Jan 2008.
They also supply Nampower (Namibia). When asked how much SA supplies, they answered "there is no fixed figure".
Meaning: Increasing all the time
They also supply Nampower (Namibia). When asked how much SA supplies, they answered "there is no fixed figure".
Meaning: Increasing all the time
abjater
27-01-2008, 11:41 PM
meaning - we supply to them what they need. if they need more than what we have spare, we loadshed. We're the good guy on the block.
Jeepers! Cant APLA or AZANIA, BWB or COSATU, or some _other_ abbreviation DO something to them pylons exporting the life blood of our own economy?
Jeepers! Cant APLA or AZANIA, BWB or COSATU, or some _other_ abbreviation DO something to them pylons exporting the life blood of our own economy?
Skeptik
27-01-2008, 11:48 PM
This is the power export distribution diagram (from Eskom's intranet).
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2301
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=2301
abjater
27-01-2008, 11:49 PM
Skeptic - all we need is the full video clip now! ;-) *hint hint*
/me got ftp space .....
/me got ftp space .....
kingrob
28-01-2008, 12:24 AM
I'm sure Harmony's CEO will be phoning Eskom's CEO tomorrow, after finding out that Eskom ordered our mines to shut down, while happily supplying electricity to our neighbors, and say : U owe us R120 million for the two days so far...u want to pay cash or with credit card? LOL
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 01:44 AM
Derek Watts didn't pick up when the guy said (he has lied in other interviews) that contractually to most neighbouring countries electricity is not exported when capacity is not available . That means some countries/contracts perhaps Moz's aluminium smelter could have contracts stating that Eskom must supply electricity at all time or they get financially penalized. Hence they aren't loadshed like us. Someone must get the exact details and get this liar to eat his words.
Despite SA being a so-called net importer and reselling that imported electricity to neighbouring countries it's surely unconstitutional to loadshed electricity to South Africans but at the same time provide electricity to neighbouring countries/projects because their contracts aren't best effort like electricity supply is to South Africans.
Who cares about the contracts at this stage, pay the penalties and get out of them. Pathetic.
When Steve is being cornered about the huge bonuses, he says "One has to look at awards that Eskom has received" What f****n Awards? What a shocking statement!
Maybe they print themselves awards on the office printer? :D I don't fscking know anymore tbh, the arrogance is almost more scary than anything else, they just don't care.
See for yourself dude. I can post more if you want a closer look ..:D:D
Here are some stills from Carte Blanche.
This is Eskom's Tutuka Power Station coal storage facility.
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/tutuka.JPG
and Majuba
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/majuba.JPG
[from a similar thread]
Absolutely shocking, can't believe its gotten this bad this quickly.
Yep, they've just renewed a 5 year contract with BPC (Botswana) starting from 5th Jan 2008.
They also supply Nampower (Namibia). When asked how much SA supplies, they answered "there is no fixed figure".
So they get what they need while we get loadshedded. :rolleyes:
Despite SA being a so-called net importer and reselling that imported electricity to neighbouring countries it's surely unconstitutional to loadshed electricity to South Africans but at the same time provide electricity to neighbouring countries/projects because their contracts aren't best effort like electricity supply is to South Africans.
Who cares about the contracts at this stage, pay the penalties and get out of them. Pathetic.
When Steve is being cornered about the huge bonuses, he says "One has to look at awards that Eskom has received" What f****n Awards? What a shocking statement!
Maybe they print themselves awards on the office printer? :D I don't fscking know anymore tbh, the arrogance is almost more scary than anything else, they just don't care.
See for yourself dude. I can post more if you want a closer look ..:D:D
Here are some stills from Carte Blanche.
This is Eskom's Tutuka Power Station coal storage facility.
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/tutuka.JPG
and Majuba
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/majuba.JPG
[from a similar thread]
Absolutely shocking, can't believe its gotten this bad this quickly.
Yep, they've just renewed a 5 year contract with BPC (Botswana) starting from 5th Jan 2008.
They also supply Nampower (Namibia). When asked how much SA supplies, they answered "there is no fixed figure".
So they get what they need while we get loadshedded. :rolleyes:
Frankie
28-01-2008, 02:41 AM
When Steve is being cornered about the huge bonuses, he says "One has to look at awards that Eskom has received" What f****n Awards? What a shocking statement!
They did win a number of awards a long time ago, and you know what, it rained back then as well.
They excelled in things like "mean time between trips", "no unplanned load loss or reduction",.......
The rain story is just another load of BS.
They did win a number of awards a long time ago, and you know what, it rained back then as well.
They excelled in things like "mean time between trips", "no unplanned load loss or reduction",.......
The rain story is just another load of BS.
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 02:46 AM
The rain story is just another load of BS.
One of many.
One of many.
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 06:18 AM
It is incredible that half a million South Africans stand to lose their jobs but we are still exporting power. Still wondering when people will be getting fired because of this.
People will be fired soon.
Mostly mine workers and factory workers - who's companies will need to downsize.
/joke - mostly
People will be fired soon.
Mostly mine workers and factory workers - who's companies will need to downsize.
/joke - mostly
Aphrael
28-01-2008, 07:59 AM
If you think about it, it all boils down to money. How to squeeze every cent out of everyone (SA and neighbours included) and how to stockpile as much of it as they can. What I want to know is WTF happened to all that profit made in 2006, why we're being squeezed for a 14% (or whatever) increase in electricity costs and why should we pay that when it seems they're more interested in supplying our neighbours than ensuring SA has enough to keep the economy growing. Seems they don't care about the billions the economy is losing daily, so long as their pockets are lined and the bank vault is full.
mac_mac74
28-01-2008, 08:05 AM
remember "Hello Afrika , Tell me how u doing" - Dr Alban
mac_mac74
28-01-2008, 08:18 AM
It is incredible that half a million South Africans stand to lose their jobs but we are still exporting power. Still wondering when people will be getting fired because of this.
this is Africa dude, nobody will get fired, it seems in Africa the person who gets the most TV coverage becomes popular in government ie. Jacob Zuma, Moonto Manto.
Who knows if he keeps it up maybe Jacob Maroga could be our next president.
this is Africa dude, nobody will get fired, it seems in Africa the person who gets the most TV coverage becomes popular in government ie. Jacob Zuma, Moonto Manto.
Who knows if he keeps it up maybe Jacob Maroga could be our next president.
friedpiggy
28-01-2008, 08:27 AM
just had a bit of a thought. if they keep this up to line their pockets at the expense of the economy, and we head the direction of zim where everything shuts down, then the currency will become worthless so their wealth will mean sweet blow all anyway so they only shafting themselves as far as i can see.
McSack
28-01-2008, 08:29 AM
just had a bit of a thought. if they keep this up to line their pockets at the expense of the economy, and we head the direction of zim where everything shuts down, then the currency will become worthless so their wealth will mean sweet blow all anyway so they only shafting themselves as far as i can see.
Go check out how madbob and cronies are making millions on the blackmarket vs. official Z$ exchange rate.
Go check out how madbob and cronies are making millions on the blackmarket vs. official Z$ exchange rate.
Albereth
28-01-2008, 08:30 AM
they are still 300 short - they are trying to get it to 1337.
:p:D
Well - those 300 said "This is not Eskom. It is Spartaaaa" but were cut off
:p:D
Well - those 300 said "This is not Eskom. It is Spartaaaa" but were cut off
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 08:45 AM
just had a bit of a thought. if they keep this up to line their pockets at the expense of the economy, and we head the direction of zim where everything shuts down, then the currency will become worthless so their wealth will mean sweet blow all anyway so they only shafting themselves as far as i can see.
as mcsack said - that is when the REALLY make money.
as mcsack said - that is when the REALLY make money.
ajax
28-01-2008, 08:59 AM
I have the clip on dvd from my hdd recorder. Anyone in Stellenbosch can come and fetch it and convert to avi. I don't know how and don't have time.
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 10:14 AM
Derek: "Your CEO said on Monday that you are no longer exporting to our neighbours. But now you say that you have been all along?"
Steve: "I am saying that Eskom is a net importer of electricity."
Derek: "That is not my question. The question is: are you supplying because your CEO says that you are not? I think Solidarity is right that you keep on giving different answers."
Steve: "Well, that is not right if you contextualise what our CEO actually said and actually listen to what he said. He spoke very specifically about the fact that we are not exporting to our neighbouring states when we are unable to meet the demands of electricity in South Africa."
Derek: "He didn't qualify it. He just said that we are no longer exporting."
Steve: "I think that is subject to interpretation."
FFS. "interpretation"....
Steve: "I am saying that Eskom is a net importer of electricity."
Derek: "That is not my question. The question is: are you supplying because your CEO says that you are not? I think Solidarity is right that you keep on giving different answers."
Steve: "Well, that is not right if you contextualise what our CEO actually said and actually listen to what he said. He spoke very specifically about the fact that we are not exporting to our neighbouring states when we are unable to meet the demands of electricity in South Africa."
Derek: "He didn't qualify it. He just said that we are no longer exporting."
Steve: "I think that is subject to interpretation."
FFS. "interpretation"....
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 10:27 AM
FFS. "interpretation"....
Politicians. :rolleyes::mad:
Politicians. :rolleyes::mad:
jambai
28-01-2008, 10:30 AM
as much as we all in this mess together ,I actually think we should loose the soccer wc as a real wake up call to people in gov who have no sense of understanding of the problems.
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 10:32 AM
as much as we all in this mess together ,I actually think we should loose the soccer wc as a real wake up call to people in gov who have no sense of understanding of the problems.
Even that won't wake them up, they'll blame it on some sort of conspiracy to keep Africa down.
Even that won't wake them up, they'll blame it on some sort of conspiracy to keep Africa down.
Alan
28-01-2008, 10:38 AM
Even that won't wake them up, they'll blame it on some sort of conspiracy to keep Africa down.
Racism :rolleyes:
Racism :rolleyes:
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 10:40 AM
Racism :rolleyes:
Me or them? :D:p
Me or them? :D:p
Alan
28-01-2008, 10:40 AM
Me or them? :D:p
Both
:D
Both
:D
schitz011
28-01-2008, 10:44 AM
The rain story is just another load of BS.
Indeed, IIRC it rains rather a lot in the UK :D and their coal is just fine (or at least it was till most of the mines were shut down..)
Indeed, IIRC it rains rather a lot in the UK :D and their coal is just fine (or at least it was till most of the mines were shut down..)
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 10:51 AM
Indeed, IIRC it rains rather a lot in the UK :D and their coal is just fine (or at least it was till most of the mines were shut down..)
We heard the other night that wet coal burns better.
Chris Badenhorst (Transporter): "Damp coal cannot cause a problem because the stockpile is in the open."
Chris Badenhorst has worked with coal for most of his life.
Chris: "It rains every year. Every summer all the coal gets wet and they have never had a problem before: why should they have a problem now? Coal burns better when its wet than when its dry."
Transcript from CB.
Perhaps he is wrong, but maybe he is not?
We heard the other night that wet coal burns better.
Chris Badenhorst (Transporter): "Damp coal cannot cause a problem because the stockpile is in the open."
Chris Badenhorst has worked with coal for most of his life.
Chris: "It rains every year. Every summer all the coal gets wet and they have never had a problem before: why should they have a problem now? Coal burns better when its wet than when its dry."
Transcript from CB.
Perhaps he is wrong, but maybe he is not?
Frankie
28-01-2008, 10:59 AM
We heard the other night that wet coal burns better.
Transcript from CB.
Perhaps he is wrong, but maybe he is not?
That's not technically correct.
There is an efficiency loss when firing wet coal vs dry coal.
The coal mills grind the the granular coal down to a powder and at the same time dry it for admission to the boiler - on wet day's it would take more heat input to the coal mills to achieve the desired fuel fineness and temperature.
The bottom line is that wet coal is not a load limiting factor.
Transcript from CB.
Perhaps he is wrong, but maybe he is not?
That's not technically correct.
There is an efficiency loss when firing wet coal vs dry coal.
The coal mills grind the the granular coal down to a powder and at the same time dry it for admission to the boiler - on wet day's it would take more heat input to the coal mills to achieve the desired fuel fineness and temperature.
The bottom line is that wet coal is not a load limiting factor.
ajax
28-01-2008, 11:06 AM
Maybe the "wet coal" excuse is technically correct? As we saw on Carte Blanche, there is almost no coal at the power plants. The coal that's left doesn't make a huge pile, so what's left is completely soaked. A huge pile will probably only have very wet coal at the top of the pile.
timgaul
28-01-2008, 11:26 AM
Eskom sent 761 megawtts to Maputo last week + 467megawatts 103megawatts 51megawts to Zim, Namibia etc last week while we had blackouts !!
****ing disgrace !!!!
That apparently forms part of the deal that SA gets power from Cahora Bassa. In return we supply power to Maputo. Without the power from Cahora Bassa we would really be screwed.
****ing disgrace !!!!
That apparently forms part of the deal that SA gets power from Cahora Bassa. In return we supply power to Maputo. Without the power from Cahora Bassa we would really be screwed.
timgaul
28-01-2008, 11:28 AM
Steve: 'Yes, and that just shows how inefficient Eskom was 15 years ago.'
Derek: 'But at least they were producing enough power. They had an excess capacity.'
lol :D Derek Watts for president!
Derek: 'But at least they were producing enough power. They had an excess capacity.'
lol :D Derek Watts for president!
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 11:28 AM
That apparently forms part of the deal that SA gets power from Cahora Bassa. In return we supply power to Maputo. Without the power from Cahora Bassa we would really be screwed.
Perhaps - but then why the lies and cover ups in terms of our exporting?
The story has changed so much and so often, it is obviously a lie.
Arguing with Eskom is like arguing with your 4 year old son over who broke the vase in the lounge.
Perhaps - but then why the lies and cover ups in terms of our exporting?
The story has changed so much and so often, it is obviously a lie.
Arguing with Eskom is like arguing with your 4 year old son over who broke the vase in the lounge.
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Steve: 'Yes, and that just shows how inefficient Eskom was 15 years ago.'
Derek: 'But at least they were producing enough power. They had an excess capacity.'
lol :D Derek Watts for president!
That was brilliant.
Goes to show that Eskom measures efficiency in how low the overheads go, and not in how well they produce electricity.
I would like to see an inflation-modified total of salaries then and now.
Bet you it is the same - with the top monkeys getting the lion's share.
Derek: 'But at least they were producing enough power. They had an excess capacity.'
lol :D Derek Watts for president!
That was brilliant.
Goes to show that Eskom measures efficiency in how low the overheads go, and not in how well they produce electricity.
I would like to see an inflation-modified total of salaries then and now.
Bet you it is the same - with the top monkeys getting the lion's share.
timgaul
28-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Coal burns better when it's wet than when it's dry.
wtf? I didn't hear that last night! Eskom are a bunch of fscking liars! I say we begin protest marches to get the truth.
wtf? I didn't hear that last night! Eskom are a bunch of fscking liars! I say we begin protest marches to get the truth.
Nanfeishen
28-01-2008, 11:47 AM
We need the Chinese solution to incompetence, squandering resources and theft from consummers:
Investigate
Find the guilty parties
Put them up against a wall and shoot them
Replace with more competent individuals
Simple neat and effecient.
Investigate
Find the guilty parties
Put them up against a wall and shoot them
Replace with more competent individuals
Simple neat and effecient.
Alan
28-01-2008, 11:52 AM
We need the Chinese solution to incompetence, squandering resources and theft from consummers:
Investigate
Find the guilty parties
Put them up against a wall and shoot them
Replace with more competent individuals
Simple neat and effecient.
:eek::eek:
I dunno China still seems pretty corrupt. Problem is politicians set each other up :sick:
Investigate
Find the guilty parties
Put them up against a wall and shoot them
Replace with more competent individuals
Simple neat and effecient.
:eek::eek:
I dunno China still seems pretty corrupt. Problem is politicians set each other up :sick:
kingrob
28-01-2008, 11:54 AM
I heard that Sasol & Hulett (sugar barons) generate their own power and can supply Eskom with some...is this true?
Frankie
28-01-2008, 12:00 PM
I heard that Sasol & Hulett (sugar barons) generate their own power and can supply Eskom with some...is this true?
That's true, they do generate their own power, like the paper mills do, but it's not normally not enough to export to Eskom.
That's true, they do generate their own power, like the paper mills do, but it's not normally not enough to export to Eskom.
timgaul
28-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Steve: 'They had an excess capacity and you can argue that: is an excess capacity better than a shortage? Both of them are negative.'
Huh? Of course excess is better! Eskom chose, through their backstabbing policy to keep all other competition out SA. As such you are the country's power supplier - if it means you take a knock to ensure adequate capacity then that is your responsibility!
Huh? Of course excess is better! Eskom chose, through their backstabbing policy to keep all other competition out SA. As such you are the country's power supplier - if it means you take a knock to ensure adequate capacity then that is your responsibility!
BobbyMac
28-01-2008, 12:09 PM
Steve: 'Yes, and that just shows how inefficient Eskom was 15 years ago.'
Derek: 'But at least they were producing enough power. They had an excess capacity.'
lol :D Derek Watts for president!
Actually Derek Watts is a bit of a dick.
Derek: 'But at least they were producing enough power. They had an excess capacity.'
lol :D Derek Watts for president!
Actually Derek Watts is a bit of a dick.
timgaul
28-01-2008, 12:19 PM
Actually Derek Watts is a bit of a dick.
Lets not derail this thread :/
Lets not derail this thread :/
Sollie
28-01-2008, 12:46 PM
We need the Chinese solution to incompetence, squandering resources and theft from consummers:
Investigate
Find the guilty parties
Put them up against a wall and shoot them
Replace with more competent individuals
Simple neat and effecient.
This is actually done, but a-la Afrika style:
Investigate under pressure from the public
Find the guilty parties and somebody else to finger
Pay the gulty a few million in bonuses and disgrace the person set up to be fingered
Give somebody else the chance to make a few million
Comfortable gravy train.
Another story inside this story worthwhile investigating is how BEE is exploited to actually victimize those it was supposed to have helped. Screwed the ex-contractors delivering coal and making people not qualified to become contractors, it. Abused them to to deliver coal, forcing them into bankruptcy in the process to make the Eskom bottom line better and reduce the costs. At the end of this insult to everything South Africa could have become are all those small people, black, white or whatever colour, suffering at the hands of Eskom's seriously dysfunctional policies. Now they want to close the mines down and lose even more jobs. WTF????
This is one of South Africa's darkest hours, pun intended.
Eish-kom, aikona!!!
Investigate
Find the guilty parties
Put them up against a wall and shoot them
Replace with more competent individuals
Simple neat and effecient.
This is actually done, but a-la Afrika style:
Investigate under pressure from the public
Find the guilty parties and somebody else to finger
Pay the gulty a few million in bonuses and disgrace the person set up to be fingered
Give somebody else the chance to make a few million
Comfortable gravy train.
Another story inside this story worthwhile investigating is how BEE is exploited to actually victimize those it was supposed to have helped. Screwed the ex-contractors delivering coal and making people not qualified to become contractors, it. Abused them to to deliver coal, forcing them into bankruptcy in the process to make the Eskom bottom line better and reduce the costs. At the end of this insult to everything South Africa could have become are all those small people, black, white or whatever colour, suffering at the hands of Eskom's seriously dysfunctional policies. Now they want to close the mines down and lose even more jobs. WTF????
This is one of South Africa's darkest hours, pun intended.
Eish-kom, aikona!!!
BobbyMac
28-01-2008, 12:47 PM
Lets not derail this thread :/
Wasn't wanting to. Just pointing out why he should not be president.
Wasn't wanting to. Just pointing out why he should not be president.
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 12:48 PM
Wasn't wanting to. Just pointing out why he should not be president.
Wouldn't you take him over Zuma? ;)
Wouldn't you take him over Zuma? ;)
BobbyMac
28-01-2008, 01:07 PM
Wouldn't you take him over Zuma? ;)
Dude, I'd take the Eskom CEO over Zuma.
Dude, I'd take the Eskom CEO over Zuma.
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 01:08 PM
Dude, I'd take the Eskom CEO over Zuma.
Lol and that's saying something!
Erwin or Zuma, now that's a difficult one! :D
Lol and that's saying something!
Erwin or Zuma, now that's a difficult one! :D
Nod
28-01-2008, 01:17 PM
That's true, they do generate their own power, like the paper mills do, but it's not normally not enough to export to Eskom.
There is a total of 5000MW that could be sold to Eskom, but the problem is that Eskom only want to pay 50% of what they charge us for the power. So it is not viable for the the other producers to sell to Eskom, as it costs more to generate than a coal power plant.
It sounds like Eskom want to dictate price, but doesn't have any real choice IMO.
There is a total of 5000MW that could be sold to Eskom, but the problem is that Eskom only want to pay 50% of what they charge us for the power. So it is not viable for the the other producers to sell to Eskom, as it costs more to generate than a coal power plant.
It sounds like Eskom want to dictate price, but doesn't have any real choice IMO.
JBFRobisher
28-01-2008, 01:27 PM
There is a total of 5000MW that could be sold to Eskom, but the problem is that Eskom only want to pay 50% of what they charge us for the power. So it is not viable for the the other producers to sell to Eskom, as it costs more to generate than a coal power plant.
It sounds like Eskom want to dictate price, but doesn't have any real choice IMO.
If you are correct ( and I have no reason to doubt you ) this could be of critical importance to alleviating the problems. Are they doing anything in this regard? Or are they just sticking their heads deeper in the sand?
It sounds like Eskom want to dictate price, but doesn't have any real choice IMO.
If you are correct ( and I have no reason to doubt you ) this could be of critical importance to alleviating the problems. Are they doing anything in this regard? Or are they just sticking their heads deeper in the sand?
Dolby
28-01-2008, 03:06 PM
And according to the Eskom guy on Focus: "the rain is making the coal turn to mud" :rolleyes:
But - as was said in the programme - it rains every year and 'wet coal' has never been an issue? If it was, surely they'd cover the stock pile?
But - as was said in the programme - it rains every year and 'wet coal' has never been an issue? If it was, surely they'd cover the stock pile?
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 03:07 PM
But - as was said in the programme - it rains every year and 'wet coal' has never been an issue? If it was, surely they'd cover the stock pile?
They tried - but the tarps kept blowing off the trucks....
They tried - but the tarps kept blowing off the trucks....
peanut
28-01-2008, 07:46 PM
*bump*
Youtube anyone?
Hope this is not against the rules, for those that missed the show the torrent can be found here ( http://www.mininova.org/tor/1134878)
Youtube anyone?
Hope this is not against the rules, for those that missed the show the torrent can be found here ( http://www.mininova.org/tor/1134878)
Moederloos
28-01-2008, 07:49 PM
Hope this is not against the rules, for those that missed the show the torrent can be found here ( http://www.mininova.org/tor/1134878)
I love you
Will you bear my children?
I love you
Will you bear my children?
Syndyre
28-01-2008, 07:54 PM
Hope this is not against the rules, for those that missed the show the torrent can be found here ( http://www.mininova.org/tor/1134878)
Thanks!
Thanks!
Alan
28-01-2008, 07:57 PM
I love you
Will you bear my children?
:sick:
Will you bear my children?
:sick:
Arthur
29-01-2008, 01:30 PM
Quick.
There's a rather ironic typo on Eskom's new home page, just under the "Load Meter":
Load curtailment in progress with selected minimng & industrial customers
They sure are minim-ising the mining industry!
There's a rather ironic typo on Eskom's new home page, just under the "Load Meter":
Load curtailment in progress with selected minimng & industrial customers
They sure are minim-ising the mining industry!
ToxicBunny
31-01-2008, 01:51 PM
Anyone downloaded this torrent completely yet?
abjater
31-01-2008, 03:12 PM
the file is available via http : http://lekwa-teemane.co.za/forum/
*public service to promote free information*
*public service to promote free information*
ToxicBunny
31-01-2008, 03:27 PM
Ahhh many many fanks....
ld13
31-01-2008, 04:13 PM
I need to Thank a few people & bastards:
1)Thx to S.Keptik for FedEx-ing a copy of the file to me overnight! :D
2)Thx to Telkom that messed up my connection while I was uploading it this morning. Just got home to find the PC smiling at me - with an Error. :mad:
1)Thx to S.Keptik for FedEx-ing a copy of the file to me overnight! :D
2)Thx to Telkom that messed up my connection while I was uploading it this morning. Just got home to find the PC smiling at me - with an Error. :mad:
feo
31-01-2008, 04:58 PM
I need to Thank a few people & bastards:
1)Thx to S.Keptik for FedEx-ing a copy of the file to me overnight! :D
2)Thx to Telkom that messed up my connection while I was uploading it this morning. Just got home to find the PC smiling at me - with an Error. :mad:
Might I ask what it cost to FedEx it?
1)Thx to S.Keptik for FedEx-ing a copy of the file to me overnight! :D
2)Thx to Telkom that messed up my connection while I was uploading it this morning. Just got home to find the PC smiling at me - with an Error. :mad:
Might I ask what it cost to FedEx it?
ld13
31-01-2008, 07:44 PM
For those with those Telkom Uncapped-Local-till-the-end-of-January ADSL accounts:
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
Might I ask what it cost to FedEx it?
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
Might I ask what it cost to FedEx it?
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
boramk
31-01-2008, 07:45 PM
For those with those Telkom Uncapped-Local-till-the-end-of-January ADSL accounts:
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
thanks for the link
love you:)
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
thanks for the link
love you:)
feo
31-01-2008, 08:53 PM
For those with those Telkom Uncapped-Local-till-the-end-of-January ADSL accounts:
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
How big is the fil? I'm using DTA to grab it but it doesn't show me the filesize..
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
How big is the fil? I'm using DTA to grab it but it doesn't show me the filesize..
Skeptik
31-01-2008, 09:01 PM
How big is the fil? I'm using DTA to grab it but it doesn't show me the filesize..
153470 KB
:D
153470 KB
:D
feo
31-01-2008, 09:40 PM
153470 KB
:D
Thanks man. :)
Also, kudos to ld13 for the upload, appreciate it.
:D
Thanks man. :)
Also, kudos to ld13 for the upload, appreciate it.
ld13
31-01-2008, 10:42 PM
Thanks man. :)
Also, kudos to ld13 for the upload, appreciate it.
No Problem mate :D
Also, kudos to ld13 for the upload, appreciate it.
No Problem mate :D
seymour7
02-02-2008, 10:21 AM
Aww... I missed this weeks Carte Blanche (surprisingly, not from load shedding). That transcript is pretty good though. I've recently released a new website, www.eskomplain.co.za where people can have there say, but for now, its just got some jokes, lol. Hope you enjoy, :D
ld13
02-02-2008, 01:31 PM
Aww... I missed this weeks Carte Blanche (surprisingly, not from load shedding).
Why don't you just download the Video then?
Why don't you just download the Video then?
seymour7
02-02-2008, 03:50 PM
Why don't you just download the Video then?
I'm on dialup. Telkom's ADSL is too expensive, but lets not start on that ;)
I'm on dialup. Telkom's ADSL is too expensive, but lets not start on that ;)
ld13
02-02-2008, 03:57 PM
I'm on dialup. Telkom's ADSL is too expensive, but lets not start on that ;)
Ah, ok - makes sense :)
Ah, ok - makes sense :)
Frankie
02-02-2008, 06:31 PM
For those with those Telkom Uncapped-Local-till-the-end-of-January ADSL accounts:
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
Thanks for that.
Just watched it here in central China - depressing is putting it mildly.
How can we find out when SA is loadshed while still supplying neighbours ?
ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/eksdom/Carte%20Blanche_M-Net_27_01_2008_19_00_04.avi :D
*public service to promote free information*
I don't know - SAIX is down or something - FedEx.com does not load :(
oh, by the way, the FedEx part in my previous post was a joke :p
Thanks for that.
Just watched it here in central China - depressing is putting it mildly.
How can we find out when SA is loadshed while still supplying neighbours ?
Frankie
02-02-2008, 06:33 PM
I'm on dialup. Telkom's ADSL is too expensive, but lets not start on that ;)
I used dial-up and found the costs far higher than MTN and VC internet connectivity. The TELKOM dial-up call rate is far too high, even at callmore rates.
I used dial-up and found the costs far higher than MTN and VC internet connectivity. The TELKOM dial-up call rate is far too high, even at callmore rates.
seymour7
02-02-2008, 07:08 PM
I used dial-up and found the costs far higher than MTN and VC internet connectivity. The TELKOM dial-up call rate is far too high, even at callmore rates.
Yeah, with my new website (http://eskomplain.co.za/)recently released, I'm sure my dialup costs are going to surpass the costs of ADSL. However, I do have that contract with Telkom where you pay only R10 to go on the internet for as long as you like after 7pm and on weekends. I really want ADSL though. :D
Yeah, with my new website (http://eskomplain.co.za/)recently released, I'm sure my dialup costs are going to surpass the costs of ADSL. However, I do have that contract with Telkom where you pay only R10 to go on the internet for as long as you like after 7pm and on weekends. I really want ADSL though. :D