Hannibal_Lecter
04-02-2008, 07:06 PM
:confused:
In your opinion, what's the best 4x2 or 4x4 double cab?
;)
In your opinion, what's the best 4x2 or 4x4 double cab?
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ToxicBunny
04-02-2008, 07:25 PM
Best looks wise?
Or best actual driving/capability?
Or best actual driving/capability?
Hannibal_Lecter
04-02-2008, 07:29 PM
Give your opinion - value for money - looks etc...
ta! :)
ta! :)
ToxicBunny
04-02-2008, 07:35 PM
Navara seems to be the best big ass 4x4 atm...
The Raider looks like a girly wagon on steroids (even though its prob the most capable 4x4)
The new Isuzu looks good, and prob is good.
Actually beyond the Raider looking like a girly wagon, I think they're all pretty capable and decentish looking. But the Navara just looks the best.
The Raider looks like a girly wagon on steroids (even though its prob the most capable 4x4)
The new Isuzu looks good, and prob is good.
Actually beyond the Raider looking like a girly wagon, I think they're all pretty capable and decentish looking. But the Navara just looks the best.
Hannibal_Lecter
04-02-2008, 07:40 PM
True, I like the Nissan Navara and Ford Ranger 3.0 very much.
I think Diesel would be best?
HL
I think Diesel would be best?
HL
ToxicBunny
04-02-2008, 07:46 PM
Probably.. I'm not sure what the diesel models are like, but I know the bigger petrol ones drink petrol like theres no tomorrow.
Freshy-ZN
04-02-2008, 07:50 PM
There really is no 'best' when you talking normal bakkies. They are all decent for what they are designed to do. What comes into play is your personal preferences.
I know guys from the Isuzu Off Road club and have been on one or two outings with them. They all swear that the Isuzu KB bakkie is the best 4x4. Then if you ask a group of Toyota or Nissan or Mazda or Ford or Mitsubishi owners they will all tell you the same thing!
But just keep in mind that Nissan really is the best. :p
I know guys from the Isuzu Off Road club and have been on one or two outings with them. They all swear that the Isuzu KB bakkie is the best 4x4. Then if you ask a group of Toyota or Nissan or Mazda or Ford or Mitsubishi owners they will all tell you the same thing!
But just keep in mind that Nissan really is the best. :p
VanZan
04-02-2008, 08:11 PM
IMO DC bakkies is the worst of both worlds. I prefer the Station wagon configurations (Jeeps, Land-Rovers etc). More usable space, slightly less loading capacity and much, much better ride on and off-road. I also think that their off-road performance is often much better than the DC configurations.
But if you really want to be confused go to this forum and ask their opinion:D:D:D
http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/index.php
But if you really want to be confused go to this forum and ask their opinion:D:D:D
http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/index.php
Gnome
04-02-2008, 08:13 PM
If I may don't want to sidetrack the thread but why do you buy a 4x4?
Personally I don't see the benefits of driving one, my friend's got a 4x4, Nissan 3.0L, the thing is slow and it's fuel efficiency is pathetic, not sure why he drives, he just needs to drive around city areas (like just about all people that also drive 4x4's)
Personally I don't see the benefits of driving one, my friend's got a 4x4, Nissan 3.0L, the thing is slow and it's fuel efficiency is pathetic, not sure why he drives, he just needs to drive around city areas (like just about all people that also drive 4x4's)
Hannibal_Lecter
04-02-2008, 08:17 PM
Hehehe, thank you all for the quick replies.
HL
HL
Freshy-ZN
04-02-2008, 08:26 PM
Well i have a Nissan 4x4 because I need it. I work in the bush alot and i jet ski so I need it to tow onto the beach. I also do the odd off road excursion.
You must remember you get 4x4s and you get 4x4s. The Land Cruiser and Nissan Patrol SW are better than 4x4 bakkies. Then you get the Unimog and the Gelandenwagen which are in a different league. Then you get modified off roaders that compete in competitions and you wont believe what those are capable of!
the single or double cab 4x4 bakkie is a compromise between creature comforts and on road ability and having the abilty to go off road as well.
You must remember you get 4x4s and you get 4x4s. The Land Cruiser and Nissan Patrol SW are better than 4x4 bakkies. Then you get the Unimog and the Gelandenwagen which are in a different league. Then you get modified off roaders that compete in competitions and you wont believe what those are capable of!
the single or double cab 4x4 bakkie is a compromise between creature comforts and on road ability and having the abilty to go off road as well.
web
05-02-2008, 06:48 AM
:confused:
In your opinion, what's the best 4x2 or 4x4 double cab?
;)
Depends on what you going to do with it really ? If you going to only drive it on the road then I would go for Mazda's, Fords or Navara if you are going to drive offroad then Toyota , Izuzu or Mitsubishi.
And if you are just plain daft then buy a Nissan Hardbody or Tata.
In your opinion, what's the best 4x2 or 4x4 double cab?
;)
Depends on what you going to do with it really ? If you going to only drive it on the road then I would go for Mazda's, Fords or Navara if you are going to drive offroad then Toyota , Izuzu or Mitsubishi.
And if you are just plain daft then buy a Nissan Hardbody or Tata.
Pitbull
07-02-2008, 03:24 PM
Colt clubcab 2.8 TD
They so sexy and drive like a dream
They so sexy and drive like a dream
xrapidx
07-02-2008, 03:32 PM
Toyota Hilux <-- ALWAYS
BCO
07-02-2008, 05:55 PM
Toyota Hilux <-- ALWAYS
Exactly. If they made a Landcruiser bakkie in D/C, it would be the best, but they don't so it's Hilux FTW.
Exactly. If they made a Landcruiser bakkie in D/C, it would be the best, but they don't so it's Hilux FTW.
greg_SA
08-02-2008, 09:54 AM
I think the Navara is one of the worst for reliability - 30 000km on the clutch and its gone! Nissan say its normal wear and tear! I'd never buy one.
As far as why people drive 4x4s... well, believe it or not, may people actually use them for 4x4ing and towing. I use mine mainly for towing a boat :D
As far as why people drive 4x4s... well, believe it or not, may people actually use them for 4x4ing and towing. I use mine mainly for towing a boat :D
xrapidx
08-02-2008, 10:02 AM
Yeh... NissAn's "Hardbody's" are actually quite "soft"...
web
08-02-2008, 10:05 AM
Yeh... Nisson's "Hardbody's" are actually quite "soft"...
Nisson's must be a new brand, must be Chinese :D Anyway just the thought of owning a Nissan makes be get all nervous.
Nisson's must be a new brand, must be Chinese :D Anyway just the thought of owning a Nissan makes be get all nervous.
xrapidx
08-02-2008, 10:47 AM
Nisson's must be a new brand, must be Chinese :D Anyway just the thought of owning a Nissan makes be get all nervous.
Not sure what you mean? :D
Not sure what you mean? :D
web
08-02-2008, 10:50 AM
Not sure what you mean? :D
To late it's captured in my quote for ever, bit late to go do sneeky editing now. :D
To late it's captured in my quote for ever, bit late to go do sneeky editing now. :D
Freshy-ZN
08-02-2008, 01:38 PM
My Nissan is anything but soft. Theres nowhere I cant go that a Toy or a Land Rover or an Isuzu cant. Ive ridden off-road with all of them.
xrapidx
08-02-2008, 02:06 PM
I've seen then bending in half jumping over dunes... ok... that was once... but still... out of a Jeep, Toyota and Nissan... the Nissan was the only one to break :p
BCO
08-02-2008, 03:52 PM
I've seen a Hardbody crushed flat by a bail of paper.
Freshy-ZN
09-02-2008, 12:31 AM
Ive seen a Toyota get stuck.
nabs
10-02-2008, 12:48 PM
I like Toyota Land cruiser Prado
I think best 4x4 on road & off road.
I think best 4x4 on road & off road.
JungleRumble
15-02-2008, 11:11 AM
Come on now, girls. If your Navara lost its clutch so soon, change your driving habits... I drive a 2.5 diesel 4x4 Navara - did the 4x4 course with the likes of the rest, and went were they went - with my on road tyres. I have 50k on the clock, my friend's Navara has 78k on the clock. Clutches still OK. Went to Kalahari last July, where veryone drives Toyotas - drove up a steep dune with Navara, where only the farmer's Landcruiser apparently could go. My point, a 4x4 is only as good as its driver - basic lesson, do not overdo it, rather do it over..... Try and get that into a heavy right footed driver's head!
O yes, the chicks love my "sexy" bakkie and I get 10.5km/lt from its class leading 2.5 (not 3.0, like most of the rest) 128kw 403nm engine.
Find the Car mag of around Sep/Oct last year - they tested all the DCs - their conclusion - Navara or new Ranger/mazda....
O yes, the chicks love my "sexy" bakkie and I get 10.5km/lt from its class leading 2.5 (not 3.0, like most of the rest) 128kw 403nm engine.
Find the Car mag of around Sep/Oct last year - they tested all the DCs - their conclusion - Navara or new Ranger/mazda....
xrapidx
15-02-2008, 11:19 AM
...until it breaks...
web
15-02-2008, 11:25 AM
Find the Car mag of around Sep/Oct last year - they tested all the DCs - their conclusion - Navara or new Ranger/mazda....
You were doing quite well until you said that. The end of that test went along these lines.
The Navara was not part of the test firstly.
At they end the recommended the Hilux and said that after testing the Navara against the Hilux a few months previously they new that the Navara was not the better, and that the only bakkie that may be able to dethrone the Hilux was the up and comming revised Izuzu range. So I think you should go and read the summary of their DC comparative test again because what you have just posted is a completely incorrect.
You were doing quite well until you said that. The end of that test went along these lines.
The Navara was not part of the test firstly.
At they end the recommended the Hilux and said that after testing the Navara against the Hilux a few months previously they new that the Navara was not the better, and that the only bakkie that may be able to dethrone the Hilux was the up and comming revised Izuzu range. So I think you should go and read the summary of their DC comparative test again because what you have just posted is a completely incorrect.
JungleRumble
25-02-2008, 01:15 PM
So I think you should go and read the summary of their DC comparative test again because what you have just posted is a completely incorrect.
Pardon me for taking so long to reply - but I had to look for my source. You are correct - my comment was not valid. However, only because I provided the incorrect source. The comparitive test I referred to was actually done by Wiel, the Car's sister mag, in Sep 07. Unlike the one in the Car - where the "winner" was based on speculation, Wiel actually tested all the contenders (Hilux, Triton, Navara, Hardbody, Scorpio, Mazda BT50, Ssanyong and Isuzu. In this test they provided the good and bad points of each vehicle - and make their choise of the "best" at the end.
Herewith their conclusion - translated "When it comes to a rational decision - the Hilux cannot be easily beaten. It is very competent in the field - and if that is the only criteria, then the Hilux is the most suitable"
"However, when a vehicle has to fulfill more than one role, then we feel there are better options. And their names are Nissan Navara and the Mazda/Ford Ranger. As far as overall space, performance, ride comfort and looks are concerned, the Navara is tops. It is also more than competend off road. However, it is more expensive than the Mazda/Ford - and for this reason only, we choose the Mazda/Ford..."
Anyhow - I am too old for these kind of games - the reason for my post was merely to remind forumites that one cannot judge a vehicle based on experiences of the past. Companies improve all the time. The Hiluz is good and it sells well, becuase Toyota as a Company did the right thing for the past few decades. Unfortunatelly the rest - Mazda, Nissan, etc, made a few booboos in their past.
However, if my Navara (my first Nissan, by the way) is anything to go by - I think Nissan is on the right path...
Pardon me for taking so long to reply - but I had to look for my source. You are correct - my comment was not valid. However, only because I provided the incorrect source. The comparitive test I referred to was actually done by Wiel, the Car's sister mag, in Sep 07. Unlike the one in the Car - where the "winner" was based on speculation, Wiel actually tested all the contenders (Hilux, Triton, Navara, Hardbody, Scorpio, Mazda BT50, Ssanyong and Isuzu. In this test they provided the good and bad points of each vehicle - and make their choise of the "best" at the end.
Herewith their conclusion - translated "When it comes to a rational decision - the Hilux cannot be easily beaten. It is very competent in the field - and if that is the only criteria, then the Hilux is the most suitable"
"However, when a vehicle has to fulfill more than one role, then we feel there are better options. And their names are Nissan Navara and the Mazda/Ford Ranger. As far as overall space, performance, ride comfort and looks are concerned, the Navara is tops. It is also more than competend off road. However, it is more expensive than the Mazda/Ford - and for this reason only, we choose the Mazda/Ford..."
Anyhow - I am too old for these kind of games - the reason for my post was merely to remind forumites that one cannot judge a vehicle based on experiences of the past. Companies improve all the time. The Hiluz is good and it sells well, becuase Toyota as a Company did the right thing for the past few decades. Unfortunatelly the rest - Mazda, Nissan, etc, made a few booboos in their past.
However, if my Navara (my first Nissan, by the way) is anything to go by - I think Nissan is on the right path...
web
25-02-2008, 02:31 PM
Pardon me for taking so long to reply - but I had to look for my source. You are correct - my comment was not valid. However, only because I provided the incorrect source. The comparitive test I referred to was actually done by Wiel, the Car's sister mag, in Sep 07. Unlike the one in the Car - where the "winner" was based on speculation, Wiel actually tested all the contenders (Hilux, Triton, Navara, Hardbody, Scorpio, Mazda BT50, Ssanyong and Isuzu. In this test they provided the good and bad points of each vehicle - and make their choise of the "best" at the end.
Herewith their conclusion - translated "When it comes to a rational decision - the Hilux cannot be easily beaten. It is very competent in the field - and if that is the only criteria, then the Hilux is the most suitable"
"However, when a vehicle has to fulfill more than one role, then we feel there are better options. And their names are Nissan Navara and the Mazda/Ford Ranger. As far as overall space, performance, ride comfort and looks are concerned, the Navara is tops. It is also more than competend off road. However, it is more expensive than the Mazda/Ford - and for this reason only, we choose the Mazda/Ford..."
Anyhow - I am too old for these kind of games - the reason for my post was merely to remind forumites that one cannot judge a vehicle based on experiences of the past. Companies improve all the time. The Hiluz is good and it sells well, becuase Toyota as a Company did the right thing for the past few decades. Unfortunatelly the rest - Mazda, Nissan, etc, made a few booboos in their past.
However, if my Navara (my first Nissan, by the way) is anything to go by - I think Nissan is on the right path...
The thing with car magazines and all car reviews is that every "tester" has his own preference. So one might say Hilux is the best and another will say Navara or some idiot might even say Tata :D . All I was questioning was your reference to Car Magazine as your source. To me if YOU like a car then buy it don't worry what others say, but then when you have problems with the car don't moan. ( Not directed at you) ;)
Herewith their conclusion - translated "When it comes to a rational decision - the Hilux cannot be easily beaten. It is very competent in the field - and if that is the only criteria, then the Hilux is the most suitable"
"However, when a vehicle has to fulfill more than one role, then we feel there are better options. And their names are Nissan Navara and the Mazda/Ford Ranger. As far as overall space, performance, ride comfort and looks are concerned, the Navara is tops. It is also more than competend off road. However, it is more expensive than the Mazda/Ford - and for this reason only, we choose the Mazda/Ford..."
Anyhow - I am too old for these kind of games - the reason for my post was merely to remind forumites that one cannot judge a vehicle based on experiences of the past. Companies improve all the time. The Hiluz is good and it sells well, becuase Toyota as a Company did the right thing for the past few decades. Unfortunatelly the rest - Mazda, Nissan, etc, made a few booboos in their past.
However, if my Navara (my first Nissan, by the way) is anything to go by - I think Nissan is on the right path...
The thing with car magazines and all car reviews is that every "tester" has his own preference. So one might say Hilux is the best and another will say Navara or some idiot might even say Tata :D . All I was questioning was your reference to Car Magazine as your source. To me if YOU like a car then buy it don't worry what others say, but then when you have problems with the car don't moan. ( Not directed at you) ;)
BobbyMac
25-02-2008, 03:00 PM
I had 4 Toyota Hilux's in my fleet until recently. Every single one of them gave me awesome service. They're virtually unbreakable. Never drove one personally though, but it handled the rigours of the construction industry quite comfortably - and the driving style of some questionable drivers in my employ at some points.
280iNyati
07-03-2008, 03:24 PM
offroading? 4x4?
This is what it is about
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album84/Oppad_2.sized.jpg
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album256/Hiers_n_PAD.jpg
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album98/PICT0080A.jpg
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/Fall-2-Fall/P1030162.jpg
This is what it is about
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album84/Oppad_2.sized.jpg
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album256/Hiers_n_PAD.jpg
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album98/PICT0080A.jpg
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/Fall-2-Fall/P1030162.jpg
Pitbull
07-03-2008, 03:29 PM
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/Fall-2-Fall/P1030162.jpg
Right here
I'm on the phone with my insurance company already :D
Right here
I'm on the phone with my insurance company already :D
xrapidx
07-03-2008, 03:32 PM
I seen a 4x4 do that and fall on its side.... :p
Freshy-ZN
07-03-2008, 05:12 PM
offroading? 4x4?
This is what it is about
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album84/Oppad_2.sized.jpg
Woooot! Im famous! ;)
This is what it is about
http://www.isuzuoffroad.co.za/modules/gallery/albums/album84/Oppad_2.sized.jpg
Woooot! Im famous! ;)