Corsa OPC

[Dolby]

Any of you seen this little demon on the roads yet? What do you think, besides it being an Opel? :P

I think you GTIs and A3 2.0t best watch out soon :P

[AutoX]

I think we will have to wait and see, sounds cool.

[Prankst3r]

Any of you seen this little demon on the roads yet? What do you think, besides it being an Opel? :P

I think you GTIs and A3 2.0t best watch out soon :P

Yeah i've seen 2 so far. A blue one in centurion and a black one i think... Only 2 words i have for it: "****ing Awesome!" :D

I wouldn'y buy one though. Resale value on those cars suck....or so i've heard

[Dolby]

Yea resale sucks ... at least they're not badly pricd to start with though (I heard R215k - but I'm not sure). The other thing that puts me off is it's an Opel.

My brother & a few friends had to move 10 units to another location yesterday with another 10 later today. He tried getting the attention of most hot hatches on the way ;) and eventually got a GTI interested. The GTI is quicker ... very, very marginally ... and it'd certainly give the driver a fright if he's not concerntrating.

[Turbo_Aspiration]

Price is set at R229 950 - according to link atleast, slightly steep for what you getting :/

http://www.ananzimotoring.co.za/cgi-bin/ananzimotoring/search.pl?id:1206988195

[CaTcH21]

I think you GTIs and A3 2.0t best watch out soon :P



Price is set at R229 950, slightly steep for what you getting :/

For this price i would rather buy a GTi.

[Prankst3r]

Yeah the Opel badge doesnt really rate too high in the status department. But one thing's for sure, this car really turns some heads ...

[BCO]

Nice car, just a bit overpriced considering you can get a Clio RS for cheaper.

[CaTcH21]

But one thing's for sure, this car really turns some heads ...

This is a sporty chicks car, ...
http://www.autoviaggiando.com/archivio/2007/01/04-opel-corsa-opc-2007/large-opel-corsa-opc-02.jpg

[Dolby]

Alright I didn't know the exact pricing when posted and assumed at R215,000 it wasn't bad. At R230,000 is does change slightly though ...

[Voicy]

Apparently it puts out around 140kW and is currently the fastest 1600 hot hatch available.

The GTi's will still beat it, but they're all 2L engines.

I love opel, I'm on my 2nd GSi corsa now, but I wouldn't pay that price. Considering you get an A3 2.0T for R260k

[JK8]

The problems with this car like all the OPCs is they very highly tuned, even after market the gains wont be so good, unless you spend a considerable amount of money on it. That 1.6 can only stand so much abuse and will die out very soon.

The price is also very steep. But the overall package is good, very sporty all the bells and whistles and quite quick.

I wouldnt buy it.

[ToxicBunny]

Of course you wouldn't JK8.. it doesn't have a VW sticker on it.

[CaTcH21]

The problems with this car like all the OPCs is they very highly tuned, even after market the gains wont be so good, unless you spend a considerable amount of money on it. That 1.6 can only stand so much abuse and will die out very soon.

The price is also very steep. But the overall package is good, very sporty all the bells and whistles and quite quick.

I wouldnt buy it.

You say ALL OPC's are highly tuned ? I have a few friends with Astra OPC's and just a chip gave them serious gains ( just like the GTi). Like you, im not an opel fan so i dont know much about the Corsa OPC, but the Astra OPC apparantly has a K04 turbo, but thats besides the point. My point is, a chip will make the Corsa OPC much faster and quicker.

[JK8]

You say ALL OPC's are highly tuned ? I have a few friends with Astra OPC's and just a chip gave them serious gains ( just like the GTi). Like you, im not an opel fan so i dont know much about the Corsa OPC, but the Astra OPC apparantly has a K04 turbo, but thats besides the point. My point is, a chip will make the Corsa OPC much faster and quicker.

Lol aftermarket is not only chips... Sport chips can make any car faster...

@ Toxic, it doesnt have a German flag behind it.:p
Its a cool car, exactly what the market wants. Its target market is the Minis, unfortunately it lacks the class to compete with Mini.

In the last Car magazine test it came out second against the Clio and Seat. If the Seat looked a little better and had a more modern interior, the OPC would have come last.

[Dolby]

I'm amazed no one took me on that fact that's it's only marginally slower than a GTI ;)

Since I've been here, I've heard a few absurd things from forumite like chipped 335i taking a 996TT Porsche and a Velociti taking an RSI :P

[CaTcH21]

[COLOR="Navy"]Lol aftermarket is not only chips... Sport chips can make any car faster...
@

dont be a f'kin dumbass ...

this is what you said ...


[COLOR="Navy"]The problems with this car like all the OPCs is they very highly tuned, even after market the gains wont be so good,
Then you say sport chips can make any car fast.
And again you wrong, for NA cars sports chip do shyte. Dude once again you prove you know very little but talk alot. and since when the freekin hell do you get a 'sports' chip ? a chip is a f'kin chip ... it does what you programme it to do ...

[CodeMaster]

If by that you mean it is not of German origin, then I am :confused:


... it doesnt have a German flag behind it.:p

[CaTcH21]

If by that you mean it is not of German origin, then I am :confused:

here he hits the nail on the head.

Opel is from Germany

[ToxicBunny]

I wasn't going to comment on that bit of the post when I read it...

[DarkDenim]

You say ALL OPC's are highly tuned ? I have a few friends with Astra OPC's and just a chip gave them serious gains ( just like the GTi). Like you, im not an opel fan so i dont know much about the Corsa OPC, but the Astra OPC apparantly has a K04 turbo, but thats besides the point. My point is, a chip will make the Corsa OPC much faster and quicker.

The Corsa OPC is a very nice package, but at R230k I'd rather buy something else. I read somewhere that some poor soul didn't want his Astra OPC anymore and got a trade-in value of R170k :eek:

Anyway, I personally wouldn't chip a 1.6T, especially one from SLOPEL :D

[DarkDenim]

Lol aftermarket is not only chips... Sport chips can make any car faster...

@ Toxic, it doesnt have a German flag behind it.:p
Its a cool car, exactly what the market wants. Its target market is the Minis, unfortunately it lacks the class to compete with Mini.

In the last Car magazine test it came out second against the Clio and Seat. If the Seat looked a little better and had a more modern interior, the OPC would have come last.

The Mini has status, not class. The Corsa probably has a better interior than the Mini.

[Nocturnity]

Sheesh. I like the new Corsa OPC but pushing 140kw from a 1.6 is a little rough. I saw it on some Fifth Gear episode a while back and it doesn't handle particularly well. Still a sexy little car.

Oh, and I drive a 2004 Astra Coupe Turbo. Whoever says you don't get much out of the Z20 engines has a lot to learn. Less than R20 000 gets me 225kw in a superbly driveable, every-day car. GM built a few dragsters with the Z20LET making 1000hp+.

[TKD01]

I read somewhere that some poor soul didn't want his Astra OPC anymore and got a trade-in value of R170k :eek:

Anyway, I personally wouldn't chip a 1.6T, especially one from SLOPEL :D

Hmmm its not Opel specific - maybe have a look at what trade-in you can get for a black bmw? :D
With the high interest rates almost ALL luxury car's value dropped.



Oh, and I drive a 2004 Astra Coupe Turbo. Whoever says you don't get much out of the Z20 engines has a lot to learn. Less than R20 000 gets me 225kw in a superbly driveable, every-day car.

I owned a Astra 200TS back in the day (C20LET motor) - I have huge respect for Opel. Standard it whipped almost anything (including a very surprised CLK 430 owner who wanted to show off for his blonde girlfriend)... the Z20 engines are just as bulletproof - heard about some serious mods done to them!

[JK8]

Eish am I so wrong in my posts?:confused:


I'm amazed no one took me on that fact that's it's only marginally slower than a GTI ;)

Since I've been here, I've heard a few absurd things from forumite like chipped 335i taking a 996TT Porsche and a Velociti taking an RSI :P

I still stand by that statement!!:D


dont be a f'kin dumba## ...

this is what you said ...


Then you say sport chips can make any car fast.
And again you wrong, for NA cars sports chip do shyte. Dude once again you prove you know very little but talk alot. and since when the freekin hell do you get a 'sports' chip ? a chip is a f'kin chip ... it does what you programme it to do ...

You contradicting yourself. Sportchips do have an effect on NA cars just not as much as Turbo cars. (Im not commenting on the SW issue nit picker).
Eg 325i VS 325is, which is faster? All the BM "M" cars have sportschips.


If by that you mean it is not of German origin, then I am :confused:

Nope they not German, for the past 5 years I think.


here he hits the nail on the head.

Opel is from Germany

WAS from Germany, can you not see the US designs? GM owns Opel.


The Mini has status, not class. The Corsa probably has a better interior than the Mini.

Mini has class lol sounds weird but really just exclude everything associated with the car, its a high quality car!
Ive never used a Car magazine anything to prove something, but they did give the OPC a bad cheap rating on the interior, the seats and the colour coded inserts werent upto scratch according to them.

[Dolby]

Pfffft JK8 ...

My brother did a few things to his engine in January this year which took it from the 1.6 Life/Velociti to a 1.8. Yes, he has the same gearbox - but he upgraded the cam (276 degree cam), 1.8 crank and pistons. He ran it in and diced me once again and guess what?

He is alot quicker than he was on pull off, but again the RSI runs away from him after 2nd gear ...

[CaTcH21]

You contradicting yourself. Sportchips do have an effect on NA cars just not as much as Turbo cars. (Im not commenting on the SW issue nit picker).
Eg 325i VS 325is, which is faster? All the BM "M" cars have sportschips. I owned many NA cars starting from 1990 BMW 325i,1994 GVR6,1999 M3,
2003 Volvo S40,2004 C200, 2007 C55.
I chipped all of them besides the M & C55 and the gains were between 15-20kw which is not even worth it. Even the C200 with a SC gave little gains (Revo).

You giving BMW examples, im not sure which model 3 series you talking about ? E30 ? E36 ? please tell ...






Nope they not German, for the past 5 years I think.



WAS from Germany, can you not see the US designs? GM owns Opel.

JK, GM OWNS opel but the production plants are still in Germany (Bochum,Eastern Germany to be precise), and the main factory is based in Russelheim.


I'm amazed no one took me on that fact that's it's only marginally slower than a GTI ;)

Since I've been here, I've heard a few absurd things from forumite like chipped 335i taking a 996TT Porsche and a Velociti taking an RSI :P

dude when it comes to faster/slower/quicker it all depends on the weight of the car. My GTi chipped + exhaust (over 200kw) will smack an E46 M almost all the way to red. Just because im much lighter.

So chipped 335i will really keep up with Porsche 996, but this i have not seen so i cannot verify. But as for GTi taking on M's , its been done everywhere.

[adamr]

whats a sports chip??? ... thought a chip is a chip .. i know u get the piggy back type and then the type where they recode your exisiting chip on the car ... right??? ... dunno much of chipping a car ... sorry did not read everything ... but just from experience in my crew a chip did very little on an NA E46 M3 with no other mods... the car fueled more thats it... ended up damaging the ECU ... but yes a chip on a turbo car makes all the difference :) (seen those pro-cede 335i's ??)

[adamr]

dude when it comes to faster/slower/quicker it all depends on the weight of the car. My GTi chipped + exhaust (over 200kw) will smack an E46 M almost all the way to red. Just because im much lighter.

So chipped 335i will really keep up with Porsche 996, but this i have not seen so i cannot verify. But as for GTi taking on M's , its been done everywhere.

i agree with you ... those GTis chipped are very quick .. had a tough time with one the other day ... did pull away with my 335i ... but it was like the way i pulled away from an M3 ... convincing, but not the way i thought i would have murdered it ...

... 996TT ... errr ... i wish ... still think the porsche will be quicker though to be honest ... a chipped 335i gives an M5 a hard time, with the M5 edging away ... those P cars are fast ...

[CaTcH21]

whats a sports chip??? ... thought a chip is a chip .. i know u get the piggy back type and then the type where they recode your exisiting chip on the car ... right??? ... dunno much of chipping a car ... sorry did not read everything ... but just from experience in my crew a chip did very little on an NA E46 M3 with no other mods... the car fueled more thats it... ended up damaging the ECU ... but yes a chip on a turbo car makes all the difference :) (seen those pro-cede 335i's ??)

You are right, a chip is a chip, from mild to wild ( as those bunch of ****ers put it [SAC] ).

And thanks for your input on the chipping of an E46. Now if you take into consideration the standard power of this car, and the chip does not have much of an effect, it proves that its really isnt necessary to chip because theres not much gains.


... 996TT ... errr ... i wish ... still think the porsche
will be quicker though to be honest ... a chipped 335i gives an M5 a hard time, with the M5 edging away ... those P cars are fast ...

I also think the Porsche will be quicker because of it lighter weight and the aerodynamics on the car compared to BMW, but the 335i is such a brilliant car, it has shocked everyone.

[Dolby]

Just out of interest, we did a Gtech on the Opel Corsa OPC now ...

7.6 sec to 100km/h ... up at reef altitude ...

[CaTcH21]

Just out of interest, we did a Gtech on the Opel Corsa OPC now ...

7.6 sec to 100km/h ... up at reef altitude ...

Did you dyno the car ?

[Dolby]

Nah - the Gtech calculates the power of the car with high accuracy (http://www.gtechpro.com/accuracy.html) though. I can't remember the figure offhand ... I'll get it tomorrow.

But by comparison, the Toureg V10 was 7.8 and the previous Audi S3 was over 8. I'll post the graph tomorrow.

[CaTcH21]

Nah - the Gtech calculates the power of the car with high accuracy (http://www.gtechpro.com/accuracy.html) though. I can't remember the figure offhand ... I'll get it tomorrow.

But by comparison, the Toureg V10 was 7.8 and the previous Audi S3 was over 8. I'll post the graph tomorrow.

Im curious to know the power on the wheels.

[JK8]

I owned many NA cars starting from 1990 BMW 325i,1994 GVR6,1999 M3,
2003 Volvo S40,2004 C200, 2007 C55.
I chipped all of them besides the M & C55 and the gains were between 15-20kw which is not even worth it. Even the C200 with a SC gave little gains (Revo).

So you did get gains... like I said before... you contradicting yourself....

You giving BMW examples, im not sure which model 3 series you talking about ? E30 ? E36 ? please tell ...




JK, GM OWNS opel but the production plants are still in Germany (Bochum,Eastern Germany to be precise), and the main factory is based in Russelheim.

And VW is produced in SA!
All the design and parts are now American.

dude when it comes to faster/slower/quicker it all depends on the weight of the car. My GTi chipped + exhaust (over 200kw) will smack an E46 M almost all the way to red. Just because im much lighter.

So chipped 335i will really keep up with Porsche 996, but this i have not seen so i cannot verify. But as for GTi taking on M's , its been done everywhere.

@ Dolby

Thats just weird...
I dont have a Velo anymore, but I gave all the RSI's and RXIs crap!!:p

My new race, took on my neighbours Type R with my new Polo, tight engine and everything and still beat him!!!:D

[Prankst3r]

Just out of interest, we did a Gtech on the Opel Corsa OPC now ...

7.6 sec to 100km/h ... up at reef altitude ...

What does the GTI do the 0-100km/h in, at reef altitude? :confused:

[lcbxx]

Although the Corsa OPC is a sexy little car, it's not R230K sexy. Any car in that segment that sells for over R200K is WAY to expensive, even for enthusiasts.
And with the petrol price heading where it's going nowadays, I really, really don't care about how fast it can get to 100KM/H, even less what it's top speed is.

[Highflyer_GP]

Although the Corsa OPC is a sexy little car, it's not R230K sexy. Any car in that segment that sells for over R200K is WAY to expensive, even for enthusiasts.
And with the petrol price heading where it's going nowadays, I really, really don't care about how fast it can get to 100KM/H, even less what it's top speed is.

I'd say so too. In fact I'd say that even R200k is pushing it - the Polo GTi is way too overpriced compared to a Fiesta ST.

[Dolby]

What does the GTI do the 0-100km/h in, at reef altitude? :confused:

I'm not sure actually :/ I've never tried a GTI on the Gtech. Do you have one we could try? ;)


I'd say so too. In fact I'd say that even R200k is pushing it - the Polo GTi is way too overpriced compared to a Fiesta ST.

I think you're paying for the hot hatch statement ... and the OPC does kill both of those tbh :/

[Highflyer_GP]

I think you're paying for the hot hatch statement ... and the OPC does kill both of those tbh :/

The OPC beats them, all that means is that the OPC beats them ;)

Pricing on the other hand is a different issue. If the Polo GTi was in line with the ST's pricing, and the OPC was around R200k, then that would start to look a little more reasonable. After all not too long ago a 132kW GTi was the same price as the Corsa OPC, and it was a far more complete car. And the RunX RSi was around R200k, and it too was a more complete car. So there's really no excuse to use a marketing phrase to price a car higher.

OT: Dealers make around 15-20% mark-up per vehicle (don't ask me how I know, NDAs and what not :(), so if anybody is in the market for a new car and you're offered free factory options, then rather take it than the crappy R5k discount.

[Prankst3r]

I'm not sure actually :/ I've never tried a GTI on the Gtech. Do you have one we could try? ;)



I think you're paying for the hot hatch statement ... and the OPC does kill both of those tbh :/

hehe funny you should ask, will be getting it by this weekend. :D How much does it cost to get it dyno'd?

[Voicy]

Oh, and I drive a 2004 Astra Coupe Turbo. Whoever says you don't get much out of the Z20 engines has a lot to learn. Less than R20 000 gets me 225kw in a superbly driveable, every-day car.

R20k ... Say what ?

[CaTcH21]

Oh, and I drive a 2004 Astra Coupe Turbo. Whoever says you don't get much out of the Z20 engines has a lot to learn. Less than R20 000 gets me 225kw in a superbly driveable, every-day car. GM built a few dragsters with the Z20LET making 1000hp+.


R20k ... Say what ?

yeah say what ?

Whats the stock power on the car and what exactly can you get for 'less than R20k' thats going to give you gains up to 225kw ?

[Nocturnity]

Indeed! Mind you, with the current crappy exchange rate it'll probably be a bit higher. :(

http://opc.forumup.co.za/about68-opc.html

Oh, and for interest sake: http://opc.forumup.co.za/about289-opc.html

[Voicy]

Indeed! Mind you, with the current crappy exchange rate it'll probably be a bit higher. :(

http://opc.forumup.co.za/about68-opc.html

Oh, and for interest sake: http://opc.forumup.co.za/about289-opc.html

Forums arent loading :(

Pray tell us more, kind sir...

[CaTcH21]

Indeed! Mind you, with the current crappy exchange rate it'll probably be a bit higher. :(

http://opc.forumup.co.za/about68-opc.html

Oh, and for interest sake: http://opc.forumup.co.za/about289-opc.html

aHave YOU ever tuned a car before ? i mean seriously get one modified ?
The cost alone is around R20k forget the parts ...

[Nocturnity]

*sigh* I'm not getting into this argument again. What I will say is that tuning an opel engine is not nearly as expensive as, say, tuning a BMW engine. For rough prices on parts check here:

http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=11
http://www.regal-shop.co.uk/

Most of these parts are direct bolt-on and tuning for the chips (and the chip itself) can be bought through Ferolli's here in CT for under R6000.

And this is where I bow out. This topic is about the Corsa OPC, not my Coupe.

[CaTcH21]

*sigh* I'm not getting into this argument again. What I will say is that tuning an opel engine is not nearly as expensive as, say, tuning a BMW engine. For rough prices on parts check here:

http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=11
http://www.regal-shop.co.uk/

Most of these parts are direct bolt-on and tuning for the chips (and the chip itself) can be bought through Ferolli's here in CT for under R6000.

And this is where I bow out. This topic is about the Corsa OPC, not my Coupe.

You still not making sense, yes the cost of a chip is app. R6k but chip is a software thats loaded in 5 min. When it comes to modding, say installing the exhaust, a proper pro exhaust ( lets say Oettinger), is around R15k alone. Thats already R21k.I am talking from experience. i know what it costs to get over 50kw of power.

[Dolby]

CaTcH21 ... any idea on the cost of adding a turbo to a car? I was under the impression (rough estimate from Alpine actually) a few years back that it was about R22k ...

I'd be interested in that :/

[CaTcH21]

CaTcH21 ... any idea on the cost of adding a turbo to a car? I was under the impression (rough estimate from Alpine actually) a few years back that it was about R22k ...

I'd be interested in that :/

for which car ? but generally turbo conversions are around R35k-R40k.

[Dolby]

RunX RSI ...

[DarkDenim]

RunX RSI ...

R35-R45k. I personally wouldn't bother.

[DarkDenim]

You still not making sense, yes the cost of a chip is app. R6k but chip is a software thats loaded in 5 min. When it comes to modding, say installing the exhaust, a proper pro exhaust ( lets say Oettinger), is around R15k alone. Thats already R21k.I am talking from experience. i know what it costs to get over 50kw of power.

A R15k exhaust? LOL

R5k software + R3k exhaust = R8k for 188Kw of power on the old OPC.

[Nocturnity]

My mom drives a Merc C230K. Performance exhaust alone was like R20 000. Lumina SS supercharger kit is about R100 000. Astra Coupe upgrades to make 200kw+ is about R20 000. Different companies build different parts for different cars in different market segments. That is all I'm saying on the topic.

[Dolby]

R35-R45k. I personally wouldn't bother.

Why wouldn't you bother?

Pricing? Personally I also ouldn't do it at R35k to R45k ... but I'd probably have to spend alot more to get a car with sub 8 performance.

[Dolby]

Eventually the graph ... Audi S3 (previous), Opel Corsa OPC, Citi Life (1.8i) and Toureg V10. Actually drove an OPC now and wow ... very quick ;)

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3384&size=big&cat=500

By the way, 91kw at the wheels ... 7.56 sec to 100km/h ...

[Gnome]

I don't know where this negativity toward Opel began but they have very good engines and they and the engines are still made in Germany (among other places). The Ecotec engine used in 16valve Opel's are used by all General Motors cars that feature I4 engines, the same engine 2L 16V I4 engine block is used for cars that range from the Opel Astra to the Pontiac Solstice that puts out 194kW. The engine blocks aren't bad and they can be made to put out a LOT of power.

Tuning performance on Opel engines aren't matched by many other engines, C20XE being the most popular with only +-R25k that engine can be brought up to 230Bhp (assuming you get one with Cosworth head, else it'll cost more obviously), which isn't bad for NA esp. if you consider the engines can be had for very cheap locally (I've seen a few people get them for around 3-5k).

As far as know the fastest local quarter mile cars are also Opel, quarter mile in 10 seconds.

I'll admit I drive a Opel, and the new Golf engines that feature FSi are great and everything but I don't understand why Opel has such a bad rep locally, what exactly makes them so bad?

[JK8]

I don't know where this negativity toward Opel began but they have very good engines and they and the engines are still made in Germany (among other places). The Ecotec engine used in 16valve Opel's are used by all General Motors cars that feature I4 engines, the same engine 2L 16V I4 engine block is used for cars that range from the Opel Astra to the Pontiac Solstice that puts out 194kW. The engine blocks aren't bad and they can be made to put out a LOT of power.

Tuning performance on Opel engines aren't matched by many other engines, C20XE being the most popular with only +-R25k that engine can be brought up to 230Bhp (assuming you get one with Cosworth head, else it'll cost more obviously), which isn't bad for NA esp. if you consider the engines can be had for very cheap locally (I've seen a few people get them for around 3-5k).

As far as know the fastest local quarter mile cars are also Opel, quarter mile in 10 seconds.

I'll admit I drive a Opel, and the new Golf engines that feature FSi are great and everything but I don't understand why Opel has such a bad rep locally, what exactly makes them so bad?

Opel has a good rep, there used to be great competition between the VW and Opel drivers, from Superboss day and the 200is/ts...

After they went Euro, they died well here in SA anyway.
VW still the king of hatches for many years.

[Dolby]

Er. Was - perhaps?

Have you READ the thread? This OPC scares - perhaps not beats - but scares GTI's costing R30k more and being in another league. Otherwise we could take the Astra OPC which blows them away?

Take your pick ;)

[JK8]

Er. Was - perhaps?

Have you READ the thread? This OPC scares - perhaps not beats - but scares GTI's costing R30k more and being in another league. Otherwise we could take the Astra OPC which blows them away?

Take your pick ;)

I doubt the Corsa OPC has anything on the MK5. The 2.0T is much faster even with a lousy driver behind the wheel, the OPC will loose.

[Dolby]

Based on?

I'm guessing you'ved diced the two? Perhaps even driven the OPC? Seen the claimed figures? Seen the figures achieved by CAR magazine at the coast? Seen the figures I posted at reef? Or just guessing guessing and hoping as you're a VW fan?

[JK8]

Based on?

I'm guessing you'ved diced the two? Perhaps even driven the OPC? Seen the claimed figures? Seen the figures achieved by CAR magazine at the coast? Seen the figures I posted at reef? Or just guessing guessing and hoping as you're a VW fan?

I saw the figures in the Car Magazine, the Brat Pack issue, Clio VS Cupra VS OPC, the test would only affect the Clio, but they were all in the 7 sec bracket, OPC being the slowest but by milliseconds. The GTi 147kw is in the 6 second bracket and if all these people are claiming that the newer Gtis are really pushing 169kw, you cant compare the OPC corsa to the GTi MK5.

But ill let you know if and when I race one.:)

[Dolby]

Better yet - why not let me test & graph it?

That way we're all on the same road and can't lie regarding certain figures and who pulled who ...

[wizdumb]

saw a blue corsa opc, take on and beat a renault megan rs last night, in a robot to robot (actually 2) dice, in van riebeeck ave in edenvale....

....1
+-140kw vs +-160kw (unsure), but then again a lot also depends on the driver i guess

[CaTcH21]

saw a blue corsa opc, take on and beat a renault megan rs last night, in a robot to robot (actually 2) dice, in van riebeeck ave in edenvale....

....1
+-140kw vs +-160kw (unsure), but then again a lot also depends on the driver i guess

Theres no way the Corsa will even come close to beating a megane RS.
the RS is very very strong. Unless .... well we all know what happends when you chip a turbocharged car ...

[JK8]

saw a blue corsa opc, take on and beat a renault megan rs last night, in a robot to robot (actually 2) dice, in van riebeeck ave in edenvale....

....1
+-140kw vs +-160kw (unsure), but then again a lot also depends on the driver i guess

The Megane with black rims? Highly doubt it...
Even with a chip that car wont be running strong being so "new" it hasnt even been run in properly yet....

[Dolby]

One of the OPCs that my brother and his friends have driven (about 20 ...) have already burnt out the clutch ;) Trust me - they do have enough mileage to be opened up at this stage.

Anyway - regarding the 140kw vs 160kw figures - remember the KW aren't everything. The GTI5 is 140-odd and the Focus ST is 160-odd and the performance is marginal? Throw in correct power rating for engines (RSI is 141kw) and weights (Fiesta ST is only 112kw) and you'll realise KW don't mean *as* much. I'm still willing to bet an OPC will give a GTI/ST a fright. I'm awaiting a PM from someone with a run in GTI/ST to let me test with a Gtech.

Lastly, where did you see a GTI being 6s? My CAR magazine reflects about 7.4 or 7.5 ... there are milliseconds between the OPC and GTI. For those that haven't seen the OPC graph, here it is ...

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3384&size=big&cat=500

[intensive]

Went to Opel yesterday to have a look a the Corsa OPC, very nice looking car but for R230,000.00 I dont think it's worth it.

I took it for a test drive and it feels a bit quicker in the first couple of gears than my current car, difficult to say because the salesman told me he is only allowed to give potential buyers a 2.5 km test drive...

At the moment I drive a Moondust Silver Fiesta ST which I bought new last year for R178,000.00 (includes a maintenance plan). I am going to keep it until Ford brings thier new Fiesta ST Turbo out later this year.

[CaTcH21]

remember the KW aren't everything.

on a FI car, it is. The other very important aspect to look at is weight ratio, kw per kg

[Dolby]

Should be quite a lot quicker than your current car :/ I can just about stick with a stock Fiesta ST in my RSI ... but obviously don't touch a GTI5 ... and the OPC is more in the GTI league.

Is yours stock?

[CaTcH21]

Should be quite a lot quicker than your current car :/ I can just about stick with a stock Fiesta ST in my RSI ... but obviously don't touch a GTI5 ... and the OPC is more in the GTI league.

Is yours stock?

me ?

[JK8]

One of the OPCs that my brother and his friends have driven (about 20 ...) have already burnt out the clutch ;) Trust me - they do have enough mileage to be opened up at this stage.

Anyway - regarding the 140kw vs 160kw figures - remember the KW aren't everything. The GTI5 is 140-odd and the Focus ST is 160-odd and the performance is marginal? Throw in correct power rating for engines (RSI is 141kw) and weights (Fiesta ST is only 112kw) and you'll realise KW don't mean *as* much. I'm still willing to bet an OPC will give a GTI/ST a fright. I'm awaiting a PM from someone with a run in GTI/ST to let me test with a Gtech.

Lastly, where did you see a GTI being 6s? My CAR magazine reflects about 7.4 or 7.5 ... there are milliseconds between the OPC and GTI. For those that haven't seen the OPC graph, here it is ...

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3384&size=big&cat=500

Lol you having fun with that Gtech toy!!
I still doubt the Corsa can take a GTi5.... havent seen a Corsa in action, but its just my opinion.
Ive been doing a few runs with the Polo, damn this babies stronger than I thought!!!
132kw standard - beaten.
Z4 M - left me on 4th.
Honda Type R - what a joke!!! Finished him!!
White '07 Subaru ST - Whoever you are, you drive like a girl!!
Gti(wanabe R32) - [AM GP] nice run, if it was a straighter road, i would have had him!:p
1.9 Tdi - beaten.
Cooper JCW - gave him chillies lol!!

Ill be looking for a OPC Corsa!:)

[CaTcH21]

Lol you having fun with that Gtech toy!!
I still doubt the Corsa can take a GTi5.... havent seen a Corsa in action, but its just my opinion.
Ive been doing a few runs with the Polo, damn this babies stronger than I thought!!!
132kw standard - beaten.
Z4 M - left me on 4th.
Honda Type R - what a joke!!! Finished him!!
White '07 Subaru ST - Whoever you are, you drive like a girl!!
Gti(wanabe R32) - [AM GP] nice run, if it was a straighter road, i would have had him!:p
1.9 Tdi - beaten.
Cooper JCW - gave him chillies lol!!

Ill be looking for a OPC Corsa!:)


what mods you have on your PGTi?

[JK8]

what mods you have on your PGTi?

Zero, she hasnt reached 10 000km yet.

[Dolby]

The OPC sticks with the GTI ... not beats it.

Anyway - when can Gtech your GTI and get real figures? I don't quite see you beating any of those cars you mention ...

[CaTcH21]

Zero, she hasnt reached 10 000km yet.

what does 10000 km have to do with anything ?

Anyway, most of those cars you so calledly raced, will 'own' you.
Take your car to the race tracks and see what will happen to a standard PGTi. You must really be a fool to think your stock standard GTi is stronger than the ones you mentioned above.

[JK8]

The OPC sticks with the GTI ... not beats it.

Anyway - when can Gtech your GTI and get real figures? I don't quite see you beating any of those cars you mention ...


what does 10000 km have to do with anything ?

Anyway, most of those cars you so calledly raced, will 'own' you.
Take your car to the race tracks and see what will happen to a standard PGTi. You must really be a fool to think your stock standard GTi is stronger than the ones you mentioned above.

Lol im not lying I promise!
The 132kw
Z4
Cooper JCW
Type R
1.9 TDi

Are all good friends of mine, they can vouch for it already, and they all "racers" aswell... I guess they know so why should I care...

They owned, and they know it!:D
We'll do some runs again this weekend, depending on where we are.

[JK8]

My other Gti(which I wont give lots of details about) tears the new 177kw Seat!:)

[CaTcH21]

My other Gti(which I wont give lots of details about) tears the new 177kw Seat!:)

Well after your comments about handing it to cars much powerful than your stock standard PGTi, i will never believe a word you say until you hit the drag strip and do a 'proper' race.

BTW, my friend had a PGTi and only have he Revo'd and exhaust the car, thats the only time he could beat a GGTi 147kw. before the mods he was nothing special.

Sorry no KO4 turbo ever fitted on PGTi's :p

[JK8]

Well after your comments about handing it to cars much powerful than your stock standard PGTi, i will never believe a word you say until you hit the drag strip and do a 'proper' race.

BTW, my friend had a PGTi and only have he Revo'd and exhaust the car, thats the only time he could beat a GGTi 147kw. before the mods he was nothing special.

Sorry no KO4 turbo ever fitted on PGTi's :p

Nah no Revo and downpipe in the next 2 years on the Polo.
You can believe what you want, I got 6 witnesses:)
147Kw Gti is faster than my Polo.

[WernerRS]

Hi, I have a Megane RS and I don't rate the PGTI at all, never driven one but have taken it from robot to robot plenty of times..

there is no way a PGTI will outrun the Subaru WRX Sti, maybe the normally aspirated versions but not the big boy..

[JK8]

Hi, I have a Megane RS and I don't rate the PGTI at all, never driven one but have taken it from robot to robot plenty of times..

there is no way a PGTI will outrun the Subaru WRX Sti, maybe the normally aspirated versions but not the big boy..

We all know that... the Megane is quicker...
It was Scooby GT not the STi.

[hyperian]

Too bad we dont get evo's here - it would kill the st's and gti's. Think it will just beat the sti as well. The 400fq esp.

[Voicy]

The OPC sticks with the GTI ... not beats it.

Anyway - when can Gtech your GTI and get real figures? I don't quite see you beating any of those cars you mention ...

Just my 5c worth ...

Keep in mind the GTi is a 2.0L and the OPC is a 1.6L ... makes you think.

Imagine a 2L OPC :D

[CaTcH21]

... makes you think.

Imagine a 2L OPC :D
Think what ? the 2L OPC (Astra) has a KO4 turbo, so how is that fair when majority of GTi's are fitted with the smaller KO3 turbo ?

[JK8]

The Corsa OPC will not take the MK5 Gti....:rolleyes:

[CaTcH21]

The Corsa OPC will not take the MK5 Gti....:rolleyes:

only an Opel guy will think that.

[Voicy]

Think what ? the 2L OPC (Astra) has a KO4 turbo, so how is that fair when majority of GTi's are fitted with the smaller KO3 turbo ?

Yeh - but imagine a 2.0L corsa OPC.

Corsa OPC, Fiesta ST & Polo GTi = similar class (all 2L engines - cept for the 1.6 Corsa)

Astra OPC , Focus ST & Golf5 GTi = similar class (all 2L engines)

What I was saying is imagine if the Corsa OPC comes out with a 2L as well.

[Dolby]

*nods* And it does ...

Anyway JK8 ... how many times in this thread have I said the GTI beats the OPC marginally? No where did I say it beats it ...

I think you're just trying to annoy me :(

[Voicy]

*nods* And it does ...

Anyway JK8 ... how many times in this thread have I said the GTI beats the OPC marginally? No where did I say it beats it ...

I think you're just trying to annoy me :(

Tea can do that :D

[JK8]

Yeh - but imagine a 2.0L corsa OPC.

Corsa OPC, Fiesta ST & Polo GTi = similar class (all 2L engines - cept for the 1.6 Corsa)

Astra OPC , Focus ST & Golf5 GTi = similar class (all 2L engines)

What I was saying is imagine if the Corsa OPC comes out with a 2L as well.

Polo is 1.8


*nods* And it does ...

Anyway JK8 ... how many times in this thread have I said the GTI beats the OPC marginally? No where did I say it beats it ...

I think you're just trying to annoy me :(

I wasnt responding to you, sorry to "annoy" you, just responded to the thread...


Tea can do that :D

Lol!!

[Voicy]

Polo is 1.8


orly? my bad, I thought they were 2L ... considering you get normal 2L polo's & 1.9TDi's

[JK8]

So saw it real life lol, not a pretty sight IMO, its huge lol!:p
The interior looks hot in pics, but so cheap when you sit in it.
Even the Speed and Sounds girls were like, "But its fast, I think" :p

[WernerRS]

Yeh - but imagine a 2.0L corsa OPC.

Corsa OPC, Fiesta ST & Polo GTi = similar class (all 2L engines - cept for the 1.6 Corsa)

Astra OPC , Focus ST & Golf5 GTi = similar class (all 2L engines)

What I was saying is imagine if the Corsa OPC comes out with a 2L as well.

the POLO GTI is a 1.8L Turbo not a 2L...

[Voicy]

the POLO GTI is a 1.8L Turbo not a 2L...


Polo is 1.8



orly? my bad, I thought they were 2L ... considering you get normal 2L polo's & 1.9TDi's

:) thanks for the update, again

[Dolby]

Bet you won't forget now ... ;)

[EvoBunny]

Yeh - but imagine a 2.0L corsa OPC.

Corsa OPC, Fiesta ST & Polo GTi = similar class (all 2L engines - cept for the 1.6 Corsa)

Astra OPC , Focus ST & Golf5 GTi = similar class (all 2L engines)

What I was saying is imagine if the Corsa OPC comes out with a 2L as well.

Corsa OPC = 1.6 Turbocharged
Fiesta ST = 2.0 N/A
Polo GTI = 1.8 Turbocharged

Astra OPC = 2.0L Turbocharged
Focus ST = 2.5L Turbocharged
Golf 5 GTI = 2.0L Turbocharged


If the Corsa OPC (which is a joke btw) were to come out with the 2L engine, turbocharged, then what's the use of the Astra? :rolleyes:

I agree with JK8 here, the Corsa OPC is not that impressive, you can say what you like but a couple of stock Focus ST's have already beat them pretty good (a view car lengths) in some TLGP's. And don't come with the engine have to be ridden in cr@p, most new cars today can be pushed hard right of the showroom floor. One of the Focus ST's that beat the Corsa actually had a faulty turbo as well and is being replaced because the car is not performing as the Focus ST should... :p

[CaTcH21]

And don't come with the engine have to be ridden in cr@p, most new cars today can be pushed hard right of the showroom floor.

you are really ignorant to make such a comment.

The engine has to work gentle for at least a 1000k's before you can hammer it, cos everything is 'new'. That run-in process is very crucial. Ask any performance guru, he will tell you the same.

[EvoBunny]

you are really ignorant to make such a comment.

The engine has to work gentle for at least a 1000k's before you can hammer it, cos everything is 'new'. That run-in process is very crucial. Ask any performance guru, he will tell you the same.

Yes, the performance guru... :rolleyes: So having a family that's been in the motor industry for a lot of years and whom did plently of rallies, etc means nothing... :rolleyes:

[CaTcH21]

Yes, the performance guru... :rolleyes: So having a family that's been in the motor industry for a lot of years and whom did plently of rallies, etc means nothing... :rolleyes:

whats your company name ? if you bigger than Oettinger, AMG & Brabus, who told me what i told you, then your word is greater. So please, company name ?

[Dolby]

If the Corsa OPC (which is a joke btw) were to come out with the 2L engine, turbocharged, then what's the use of the Astra? :rolleyes:

I agree with JK8 here, the Corsa OPC is not that impressive, you can say what you like but a couple of stock Focus ST's have already beat them

Well ... considering that the Focus ST is not who they are intending on beating - what's the issue exactly? ;)

I'd be proud if I was a Corsa OPC driver and you ST folk were comparing, defending and worrying about the Corsa OPC! The Opel Astra GTC 2.0 Turbo is more in your league (incidently, it's also quicker in both 0-100km/h and top end - CAR Dec 06). The Focus ST costs more, has a 2.5 turbo engine and 166kw. That's a 50% larger engine with 20% more power than the Corsa OPC. If you call the Corsa OPC 'a joke' that it doesn't stand up to a Focus ST, am I allowed to call the Focus ST a joke because it can't beat the 195kw 130i ... ? That's also about 20% more power and has a larger engine too ... so it should be no issue on your side ...

What I find more sad than the above, is that the Focus ST has to compare to cars with 20% less power than themselves :/ This mighty Focus ST is only milliseconds ahead of both the lower powered Corsa OPC and lower powered GTI. CAR magazine got 7.85 sec for the OPC (April 08), 7.5 sec for the ST (Dec 06) and 7.67 sec for the GTI (May 05).

I think the joke is that Focus ST drivers have to be wary of the little Corsa ...

[JK8]

Its a crap car!! What a waste, Seat 177kw FTW, now thats value for money!!
177kw at the MF wheels!:D

[CaTcH21]

177kw at the MF wheels!:D

Wheels or Flywheel ?

[JK8]

Wheels or Flywheel ?

What did I write?

[CaTcH21]

What did I write?

sorry i didnt understand what you mean by MF ( thought you were saying mother *****ing :D )

[Nerfherder]

Why would you even compare a focus to a Corsa ?

Clearly the Corsa is more simular to Fiesta....

[Dolby]

Evo ... we know the ST folk like comparing their cars to weaker models from manufactures, but this is your real competition ... ;)

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=3985&size=big&cat=500

Notice how the OPC takes the ST from 0-237km/h *cough*

[JK8]

sorry i didnt understand what you mean by MF ( thought you were saying mother *****ing :D )

Thats what I meant by MF.

[Swift-wp]

I have a 96 model Opel Kadett 160is. I have a massive respect for an Opel. I love it. The car is stock and pull 1.6 Polo's that have filters on. Don't get me started on the new Polo's, from first gear I'm gone. I even sit with the old 1800 Golf CTi. I know this has nothing to do with the Corsa OPC, but i have to give my two cents worth to defend Opel. They have some of the quickest cars out there.

[EvoBunny]

whats your company name ? if you bigger than Oettinger, AMG & Brabus, who told me what i told you, then your word is greater. So please, company name ?

You don't need a company to have actually raced yourself :rolleyes: and how about having built engines for well known drivers of the past...

[EvoBunny]

Well ... considering that the Focus ST is not who they are intending on beating - what's the issue exactly? ;)

I'd be proud if I was a Corsa OPC driver and you ST folk were comparing, defending and worrying about the Corsa OPC! The Opel Astra GTC 2.0 Turbo is more in your league (incidently, it's also quicker in both 0-100km/h and top end - CAR Dec 06). The Focus ST costs more, has a 2.5 turbo engine and 166kw. That's a 50% larger engine with 20% more power than the Corsa OPC. If you call the Corsa OPC 'a joke' that it doesn't stand up to a Focus ST, am I allowed to call the Focus ST a joke because it can't beat the 195kw 130i ... ? That's also about 20% more power and has a larger engine too ... so it should be no issue on your side ...

What I find more sad than the above, is that the Focus ST has to compare to cars with 20% less power than themselves :/ This mighty Focus ST is only milliseconds ahead of both the lower powered Corsa OPC and lower powered GTI. CAR magazine got 7.85 sec for the OPC (April 08), 7.5 sec for the ST (Dec 06) and 7.67 sec for the GTI (May 05).

I think the joke is that Focus ST drivers have to be wary of the little Corsa ...

Dude, here is the problem, I have beaten a 130i :P and the guy's face was priceless...

I'm really not concerned about the little Corsa... I payed for R228 for my brand new Focus ST which is less than the people are paying for the Corsa, I have more space, more performance, better top end and it's a more appealing car... think about it. The Focus might be 50% larger, but it's only 9.5% heavier... oh yes, and how much does a 130i cost? Base price of R310k?

As for why I mentioned comparing the Focus the little teeny weeny Corsa, is because people was mentioning the GTI as well, and I know of stock GTI that's about just as fast as stock ST's so if a Focus ST beat it by car lengths the GTI should be able to beat it as well by a couple...

But nope, you can just comment away without regards to what I was actually saying...

[CaTcH21]

You don't need a company to have actually raced yourself :rolleyes: and how about having built engines for well known drivers of the past...

thats what i thought, another keyboard commando ...

[JK8]

Dude, here is the problem, I have beaten a 130i :P and the guy's face was priceless...

I'm really not concerned about the little Corsa... I payed for R228 for my brand new Focus ST which is less than the people are paying for the Corsa, I have more space, more performance, better top end and it's a more appealing car... think about it. The Focus might be 50% larger, but it's only 9.5% heavier... oh yes, and how much does a 130i cost? Base price of R310k?

As for why I mentioned comparing the Focus the little teeny weeny Corsa, is because people was mentioning the GTI as well, and I know of stock GTI that's about just as fast as stock ST's so if a Focus ST beat it by car lengths the GTI should be able to beat it as well by a couple...

But nope, you can just comment away without regards to what I was actually saying...

Atleast you admit it!!:) Dolby and his stats lol...

[Dolby]

Atleast you admit it!!:) Dolby and his stats lol...

Yea but my stats exclude ST drivers ... they beat everything on the road :/ Nothing really competes with em :o

They also drive faster than any motoring journalist from CAR, Topcar, Wheels etc and defy any stats published *bow*

[EvoBunny]

thats what i thought, another keyboard commando ...

Hahaha, whatever LOL... what you think and what happens in the real world, yes the one beyond beyond your monitor is two different things... I'm far from a keyboard commando...

[EvoBunny]

Yea but my stats exclude ST drivers ... they beat everything on the road :/ Nothing really competes with em :o

They also drive faster than any motoring journalist from CAR, Topcar, Wheels etc and defy any stats published *bow*

I would say any motoring journalists, but some of them, cause although they sometimes drive some of the cars, it doesn't make them good driver ;) Think about it, you may perhaps make coffee everyday, but does this make you coffee taste good everytime? Not really...

[G5GTI05]

Well I must say that even though Im a GTI Driver/support/fanatic, You cannot discard the fact that the Corsa OPC has remarkable stats. It might be in the league of the fiesta but I have no doubt it will strap a GTI and ST in the right hands. In saying that, its an Opel and what goes fast today and works, will probably breakdown and rattle tomorrow. Gone are the days of the SUPERBOSS - Now that is a legend.

Evobunny... what car do you drive exactly?

[JK8]

Well Car magazine last month confirmed the Gti5 upgrades with new stats...
Dont think OPC Corsas or even the STs are as quick!:)

[Dolby]

ST's where not much quicker than GTI's ... nor 130i's actually ;)

See, the GTI and ST have always been pretty much on par speed-wise. Both CAR magazine (coast) and Topcar (reef) got them within split seconds of each other. If I remember correctly, Topcar had the GTI split seconds quicker than the ST (despite the 20% lower power ...). Anyway - we won't argue that point now. Let's accept ST = GTI.

However I would like to argue the ST taking the 130i. At coast this obviously a bit of a joke as logical tells you the 130i is quicker - but at reef I again had to check my stats. Sure enough I found this site with the 130i and GTI at reef ! http://www.cartorque.co.za/0354.htm

Interesting to note that BMW is consistantly half a second quicker over 400m ... hmmm

What did you ever say about Opel's real competition, the Astra OPC? ;)

[G5GTI05]

When do they have these shoot outs? I would like to go and see for myself... I remember they use to have it at Wesbank Drags.. but thats closed down - They need to have an official day once and for all!! hehe

[chaffingdish]

i am a die hard opel fanatic:D. i own an astra OPC:D and i agree that the astra and the corsa OPC is definitely very overpriced.only die hard opel fanatics will end up buying the corsa OPC which in my mind is quite expensive for a 1.6 turbo, irrespective of the stats. but there is no discussion when it comes to the performance of these cars. they are built faster and better and with a 5 year service plan and 3 year waranty you're safe for a while and can really push your car to the design limits with very little worry about things breaking. the corsa OPC is going to be a menace on the road IN THE RIGHT HANDS. believe it!

we must remember that owning a performance hatch is one thing. knowing what to do with all that power when you are behind the wheel is another!:).

I'm not here to argue as to which car is better or not. the focus ST i believe is definitely bang for your buck. you get a performance hatch with all the bells and whistles at a very reasonable price and i would probably have ended up buying one if i could not afford the opc, as there are too many GTI's on the road in my mind.

But lets put things into perspective. if the arguement here is as to who has the better car would that not really depend on which brand you prefer and support? would that not make you naturally bias as to which make of car is the best? i could ramble on for hours as to how great opels are and how terrible other cars are. at the end of the day it comes down to choice and i know some great GTI and STI drivers out there who probably have bigger balls than most OPC drivers behind the wheel. and i have respect for both the focus ST and the GTI especially with DSG gearbox. both cars are very well designed and capable. i just love my OPC. does not mean i think the GTI or the ST are crappy cars.

for those of you who run down brands of cars because you've either never owned a top end performance car or had a friend who had a problamatic car or have had a bad experiece with one or simply just base your arguement on other people's data... the track should be the deciding factor: stock OPC vs stock GTI vs stock ST vs stock 130i, and by OPC i mean corsa as i don't want the OPC astra to bully anyone!!! relax, i was just kidding in that last statement(about the corsa)!!!:D

so, whose putting there brand & cars reputation on the line. 2 teams, one at the coast and one at the reef???

[chaffingdish]

hmmmmmm, i wonder :confused:if there is any truth to the rumours about those creepy, aggressive looking opc's....:D

[CaTcH21]

for those of you who run down brands of cars because you've either never owned a top end performance car or had a friend who had a problamatic car or have had a bad experiece with one or simply just base your arguement on other people's data... the track should be the deciding factor: stock OPC vs stock GTI vs stock ST vs stock 130i, and by OPC i mean corsa as i don't want the OPC astra to bully anyone!!! relax, i was just kidding in that last statement(about the corsa)!!!:D

so, whose putting there brand & cars reputation on the line. 2 teams, one at the coast and one at the reef???

(didnt want to quote everything you said, but) I totally agree with everything you said above. http://www.pocketrocket.ca/forum/images/smiles/okay.gif

[JK8]

for those of you who run down brands of cars because you've either never owned a top end performance car or had a friend who had a problamatic car or have had a bad experiece with one or simply just base your arguement on other people's data... the track should be the deciding factor: stock OPC vs stock GTI vs stock ST vs stock 130i, and by OPC i mean corsa as i don't want the OPC astra to bully anyone!!! relax, i was just kidding in that last statement(about the corsa)!!!:D

so, whose putting there brand & cars reputation on the line. 2 teams, one at the coast and one at the reef???

I disagree about the track story... doesn mean anything to those who drive on the public ROAD! These car reviewers are becoming idiots, mostly SA reviewers, I mean why the hell must a GTi front wheel drive be able to go "sideways" on a track? I dont understand....

They watching to much Tokyo drift.

As for you list, heres my ranking.

OPC - 1st (If there was a Seat it would have been first!:))
GTi 07 up
130i
ST
but all of them are beat by the 135i!:)

[chaffingdish]

jk8, in my opinion the road is perfect for testing day to day drivability and overall reliability. but i have no time and zero respect for anyone who speeds on a puiblic road especially through traffic to try and prove how fast their cars are or to "test" their roadholding or something stupid like that.that type of driving should be exclusively reserved for the track where there is no danger to other drivers and innocent passengers. it's downright dangerous...

hence my suggestion for a friendly track day amongst ourselves for our own pleasure and entertainment.

as for SA car reviewers i agree - MOST of the time they really don't know what the h*ll they are tlaking about. they are more bias towards brands and certain types of engines than most drivers!!!

[Pitbull]

I didn't know there was an OPC model in the Corsa form.

Saw one this morning in a bright red, damn those things are sexy as hell :o

Anyone of you seen one of these yet ?

[Keeper]

er, yes....lol - but they are damn fast too!

[Pitbull]

O shyt, while googling photos I noticed there was a MyBB thread already created by Dolby :o Will request a merge :p

Seriously, I only saw one today. If they have been here for ages must be not that popular :o

[syntax]

probably due to the ridiculous price.....its very hot, but it does nto justify the price for me

[Pitbull]

probably due to the ridiculous price.....its very hot, but it does nto justify the price for me

How much are they btw ?

[Pitbull]

R 244 000.00 :eek

They are fk'ng in sane :mad:

Now I pitty the turd I saw driving one this morning :D Money well wasted :p

[adamr]

they cute as sin ... i likes the yellow one :)

R250k i think ...

[adamr]

http://lh3.google.de/TwinSport.OPC/R64Uo_OFYUI/AAAAAAAAAQI/iAhXHQHO8po/IMG_5747.jpg?imgmax=512

[syntax]

they cute as sin ... i likes the yellow one :)

R250k i think ...

a performance/hot hatch should never be cute.....EVER...

[antowan]

mod note: threads merged

[adamr]

a performance/hot hatch should never be cute.....EVER...

its like a small devil .... so cute in that way :)

[Iwojima]

I didn't know there was an OPC model in the Corsa form.

Saw one this morning in a bright red, damn those things are sexy as hell :o

Anyone of you seen one of these yet ?
Yep, everytime I open my garage :p
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=8516

R 244 000.00 :eek

They are fk'ng in sane :mad:

Now I pitty the turd I saw driving one this morning :D Money well wasted :p
Paid R209 000 for mine, brand new.

they cute as sin ... i likes the yellow one :)

R250k i think ...
There's a yellow one? Must be a respray or a colour SA doesn't get.

[JK8]

Yep, everytime I open my garage :p
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=8516

Congrats!! You bought it!!
Hows about a review?:)

[syntax]

Yep, everytime I open my garage :p
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=8516

Paid R209 000 for mine, brand new.

how did u manage that price? Damn nice car, and at 209k its not too bad, still expensive though... (paying 200k + for a corsa seems crazy to me...)

[Iwojima]

how did u manage that price? Damn nice car, and at 209k its not too bad, still expensive though... (paying 200k + for a corsa seems crazy to me...)
You're right it is definitely pricey, but consider the fact that a Polo GTi retails for slightly more than what I got the OPC for :)

It was fairly simple to wangle the price though. I went to my local dealership and asked them for their best price, got in contact with a few dealerships around the country and played them off against each other, finally settling for one (in the colour I wanted, which seemed to be scarce).

While I think the above helped to get it that low, I also think the sticker price on the car at any dealership is a contributing factor. At the R240k mark it scared off many potential customers so they are being forced to sell them at reduced prices and are making the effort to move stock even if the profits made are low.


Congrats!! You bought it!!
Hows about a review?:)
Can do! Might be a long post though :D

[Dolby]

The thing I remember is how easy it was to hit the limiter in 1st and 2nd gear ;)

[syntax]

You're right it is definitely pricey, but consider the fact that a Polo GTi retails for slightly more than what I got the OPC for :)

It was fairly simple to wangle the price though. I went to my local dealership and asked them for their best price, got in contact with a few dealerships around the country and played them off against each other, finally settling for one (in the colour I wanted, which seemed to be scarce).

While I think the above helped to get it that low, I also think the sticker price on the car at any dealership is a contributing factor. At the R240k mark it scared off many potential customers so they are being forced to sell them at reduced prices and are making the effort to move stock even if the profits made are low.


I find the GTI also over priced TBH, and would def pick the opc over it. With the car industry struggling as it is, i can see its prob pretty easy to negotiate a price, 30k off is a large negotiation though, and opel/gm have gotta realise that the listed price here is insane. Even the astra OPC is Waaaay over priced!! Perhaps i should go argue with the ford guys to get me an ST.....

[Iwojima]

I find the GTI also over priced TBH, and would def pick the opc over it. With the car industry struggling as it is, i can see its prob pretty easy to negotiate a price, 30k off is a large negotiation though, and opel/gm have gotta realise that the listed price here is insane. Even the astra OPC is Waaaay over priced!! Perhaps i should go argue with the ford guys to get me an ST.....
The Astra OPC has increased in price to a point where it has become a silly buy. If memory serves they retailed @ R256 000 when they were first released and now all you can find is the OPC+ pack model (with 19" mags being the only obvious difference) which retails @ around R300 000.

The Focus ST is about the best value for money you'll find these days. I'm not anti-Ford, but they're not my favourite cars and the Focus ST is fast becoming as common as the GTi's so I wasn't so keen on one of those.

[syntax]

The Astra OPC has increased in price to a point where it has become a silly buy. If memory serves they retailed @ R256 000 when they were first released and now all you can find is the OPC+ pack model (with 19" mags being the only obvious difference) which retails @ around R300 000.

The Focus ST is about the best value for money you'll find these days. I'm not anti-Ford, but they're not my favourite cars and the Focus ST is fast becoming as common as the GTi's so I wasn't so keen on one of those.

car sites are blocked, but i think its around 320k now for the OPC, which is a joke....I have been seeing more ST's on the road, but i cant see better bang for buck, especially if i can get a similar deal to you....
have u driven both? how does it comapre to the corse opc? I am not a family person so space is not an issue, i am also worried about the alarming rate the fords seem to devalue..

[Serqet]

I like the OPC but i settled for VW Polo as the resale value is far better. I got bugger all for my corsa as a trade in.

I reckon Opel has priced themselves out of the market. You can't expect people to pay that sort of money for an opel badge, even the opel fans.

Popularity in a car isn't always a bad thing. As common as the GTI is, i would still buy one if i could. Popularity is a sure bet in the resale world. Let's face it who keeps a car these days? It's not worth it.

[Iwojima]

car sites are blocked, but i think its around 320k now for the OPC, which is a joke....I have been seeing more ST's on the road, but i cant see better bang for buck, especially if i can get a similar deal to you....
have u driven both? how does it comapre to the corse opc? I am not a family person so space is not an issue, i am also worried about the alarming rate the fords seem to devalue..
Ouch R320k! That's rough...still not as rough as a new Golf R32 though :p

Not being a family man (yet) I also don't have any worries about space. The 3-door setup is just fine for me and the back seats are comfortable and fairly roomy just in case. The Ford on the other hand comes in a 5-door variant, if need be.

Just in terms of sticker price versus performance, so lets just assume you could get no discount, the Ford is about 25kw stronger but only around R10k (last time i looked) more than what the Corsa is advertised for. Feature wise they are also very similar in terms of safety (airbags, ESP, ABS) and creature comforts (aircon, cruise control, interior).

[rorz0r]

Iwojima the Focus ST doesn't have cruise control, crazy though...

That being said I've driven the Corsa OPC and it's a very good car I just can't imagine the price is around the same as a Focus ST. I'm sure it's quite a bit more economical though.

Yeah it sucks that the Focus ST is becoming more popular, because I've been wanting one for a while now but financially only planning on buying one at the end of this year. GTI just way too popular.

[syntax]

Iwojima the Focus ST doesn't have cruise control, crazy though...

That being said I've driven the Corsa OPC and it's a very good car I just can't imagine the price is around the same as a Focus ST. I'm sure it's quite a bit more economical though.

Yeah it sucks that the Focus ST is becoming more popular, because I've been wanting one for a while now but financially only planning on buying one at the end of this year. GTI just way too popular.

cruise control does not bother me, dont use it, never will... The ST does guzzle, but who cares when the engine sounds that good....

I have not driven the corsa opc yet, the sales guy was such a chop when i went there that i walked out, but would be interesting to try it out and compare.... I used to want the ST in orange, but it seems rash now, perhaps the blue or red..... the resale value still bothers me though...

[Iwojima]

Iwojima the Focus ST doesn't have cruise control, crazy though...Seriously? I was told that the newer spec one's had it. Had an argument with a mate about it and was comparing features and after I bragged about cruise control he said that his 2008 ST also had it. The liar!

[Iwojima]

My Corsa OPC review:

Performance/Handling:
This thing is quick. Power is delivered evenly and there is only a slight hint of torque steer. The car grips corners like crazy thanks to the stiff suspension and wide tyres. I haven't tested the claimed 0-100km/h speed yet, but it certainly feels like mid-7 seconds.

Switching traction control off is pretty scary and not recommended for sharp corners. It does help when you're giving those Golf GTi's a scare though (have managed to give them all a hiding so far except one which may have been modded and/or one of the new spec...supposedly 160kw versions)

The brakes are very sharp thanks to having discs on the both front and back. They easily bleed off speed but take a bit of getting used to if you want to avoid putting yourself through the windscreen. :p

Comfort:
The Recaro seats are super comfortable and work just fine for long distances (tested this on my maiden voyage down the coast). They tent to "hug" your body so if you're a bit of a fatty you might struggle.

Because the suspension is purposely so rigid and the tyre profile is low you tend to feel every bump in the road which would be fine on any first world road but here in SA some roads are so shoddy it becomes off putting.

Beware of replacing the 18" tyres though. Their odd sizing makes them very pricey. I destroyed the wall of one my front driver's side tyres courtesy of a huge pothole and had to fork out R2800 to replace it!

Sound:
It sounds aggressive without being overbearing like a hot-hatch should sound. You immediately know you're not in a standard Corsa when you turn the key and the engine comes to life.

Look:
Not much to say here since you've all seen the pictures. All I can add is that when you drive down the road people take notice! Car nuts (especially Opel fans) stop me at shopping centers to ask about it. Other OPC owners (rare as they are) always smile and give a thumbs up as you go by :D

Price:
Pretty much covered that in my last posts. If you can get the car for what I paid for it, it is an awesome deal.

Interior:
The interior is of good quality and looks great in my car which has blue trim and stitching everywhere (which is only available if you go for the Arden blue version...the other versions all have silver trim).

My only bugbear would be the center console which is made from a shiny piano black surface that tends show dust very easily and *might* scratch if you're not careful when cleaning. Other than that the entire car is full of OPC logos and metallic trim from the steering wheel to the gear knob and even on the mats.

Safety:
Traction control works very well in corners and ABS does its job nicely for hard breaking. The car also has a full compliment of airbags incl. side, front, passenger, roof sill (or whatever its called), etc.

Features:
Cruise control is good for long distant travels and seems to keep fuel consumption down nicely. Aircon works well.

The sound system is very average despite having 6 speakers distributed throughout the car. Since it is factory fitted I imagine replacing it would be a pain in the arse.

The onboard computer has all the usual bells and whistles including temperature, fuel consumption, average speed, etc. Haven't had much occasion to test other things like fog lights and headlamp adjustment.

Another nice little feature is your key is able to store personalized settings such speed warning thresholds, central locking behaviour, etc. So if your SO has her own key she can have everything set up to her preferences.

[JK8]

Sounds good!;)
Congrats again...

[EvoBunny]

The ST does guzzle, but who cares when the engine sounds that good....

Obviously you don't own one :p

My average fuel consumption during the week is about 9.5L/100km and this includes driving in traffic, I drove to the coast not so long ago, with 4 people in the car and luggage I got 8.2L/100km average, that gave me about 670 km on the tank... so sure they ARE guzzlers (note the sarcasm).

Anybody think about 0 - 160 and 0 - 200 times?

Sure the Corsa OPC is fast in the 1st two gears, but what about 3rd - 6th?

I posted this somewhere before, but let's just compare it a bit...

0-160 km/h
Focus ST - 15.7
Corsa OPC - 17.3
Astra OPC - 14.7
Golf GTI - 16.1
Megane R26 - 16.0
Megane RS - 16.9

0-200 km/h
Focus ST - 27.6
Corsa OPC - 35.1
Astra OPC - 29.1
Golf GTI - 33.1

Then one gets the guy who complains about the resale value and the Focus ST becoming more common, I think it's great that it's becoming more common, it's proving that it's a good car, that there is interest in the market in the car as well as this will ultimately help them keep their value better in the end because of the higher demand.

[adamr]

.... interest in the market in the car as well as this will ultimately help them keep their value better in the end because of the higher demand.

i disagree ... the values of the ST have dropped a lot in comparison to the GTi and it has a lot to do with the badge ... driven an ST and was amazed at the refinement and solid build of the car ... but unfortunately South Africans ... stick to brands ... i know more people wanting GTis than ST's ... higher demand equals higher resale ... and they have never driven either ...

Another prime example is the 350Z, absolutely nothing wrong with the car good looking and yet pathetic resale ... its weird ...

[alisiaoh]

i've been in love with the new Corsa OPC since i saw pics for it doing th rounds on the internet in 2006. The day i qualify as a lawyer im buying one!!! :D

My first car was a Corsa (im still driving an corsa btw-allbeit the previous shape)and i dont think i will ever buy anything else - they are very reliable and very light on petrol!!!

[Gnome]

Dude I like Opels as much as any Opel fan but let me tell you those things are NOT light on Petrol! There are plenty of other cars that fair far better. In terms or reliability, can't disagree the engines are very strong although when they give you trouble it's sometimes a mission to figure out WTF is wrong.

[alisiaoh]

Dude I like Opels as much as any Opel fan but let me tell you those things are NOT light on Petrol! There are plenty of other cars that fair far better. In terms or reliability, can't disagree the engines are very strong although when they give you trouble it's sometimes a mission to figure out WTF is wrong.

Dude! i drive a 1.4 Corsa and i get anywhere from 505km - 518km per tank in JHB. On the open road i get up to 540km per tank. In my books that is light!!!

[Gnome]

Dude! i drive a 1.4 Corsa and i get anywhere from 505km - 518km per tank in JHB. On the open road i get up to 540km per tank. In my books that is light!!!

Ah Corsa lite? That is quite heavy, I usually get 600km with mine, around same as you with the aircon switched on, but that's only around 12km/1l of petrol, not really spectacular but not terrible.

[alisiaoh]

Ah Corsa lite? That is quite heavy, I usually get 600km with mine, around same as you with the aircon switched on, but that's only around 12km/1l of petrol, not really spectacular but not terrible.

Nope a Corsa 1.4 comfort a/c - not a lite!!

[Thestealth]

Audi RS4 FTW!!!

I know it's not relevant, but I just had to get that in there :p

[syntax]

Obviously you don't own one :p

My average fuel consumption during the week is about 9.5L/100km and this includes driving in traffic, I drove to the coast not so long ago, with 4 people in the car and luggage I got 8.2L/100km average, that gave me about 670 km on the tank... so sure they ARE guzzlers (note the sarcasm).


then u must be driving very conservatively, both ppl i know who drive them get around 12L/100km town driving.....i drove one around for a few days and averaged a little higher (but i was DRIVING it...)

I absolutely love the car, but the resale value really puts me off, not the fact that its common etc.... i cannot compare it the the corsa since i have not driven it...and there is more to say about a car than straight line performance...

Do u have the facelift or not? There seems to be very little difference and an argument that the facelift has cruise control????

[Gnome]

Nope a Corsa 1.4 comfort a/c - not a lite!!

Well pretty much the same engine as the Corsa Lite.

[EvoBunny]

then u must be driving very conservatively, both ppl i know who drive them get around 12L/100km town driving.....i drove one around for a few days and averaged a little higher (but i was DRIVING it...)

I absolutely love the car, but the resale value really puts me off, not the fact that its common etc.... i cannot compare it the the corsa since i have not driven it...and there is more to say about a car than straight line performance...

Do u have the facelift or not? There seems to be very little difference and an argument that the facelift has cruise control????

I drive the pre facelift model, and I do have my often spirited driving during the week, the trick it to drive smarter, not slower... for example in gear freeing does wonders to your average fuel consumption :p

As for the cruise control, I know of people who's got it, but it's been fitted as an after market mod and it doesn't come with the car...

[Dolby]

0-160 km/h
Focus ST - 15.7
Corsa OPC - 17.3
Astra OPC - 14.7
Golf GTI - 16.1
Megane R26 - 16.0
Megane RS - 16.9

0-200 km/h
Focus ST - 27.6
Corsa OPC - 35.1
Astra OPC - 29.1

Why are you so threatened by little 1.6 turbo? You realise it's a 35% smaller engine? That's be like me bragging that my 3.5 litre turbo is quicker to 250km/h than yours ...

Are you upset that robot to robot, you can't do much against it? ;)

And yes, the car is about low to mid 7 seconds ...

[JK8]

So whats the big idea with cruise control?

Fitting after market cruise control??? Lol that must be the stupidest thing ive ever heard!!! (makes sense if you driving long distance twice a month otherwise its ridiculous!!!!)

[EvoBunny]

Why are you so threatened by little 1.6 turbo? You realise it's a 35% smaller engine? That's be like me bragging that my 3.5 litre turbo is quicker to 250km/h than yours ...

Are you upset that robot to robot, you can't do much against it? ;)

And yes, the car is about low to mid 7 seconds ...

I'm not threatened at all :p you keep bringing it up, and when I give facts of a car that has more space, more power and cost about the same you ask why I'm threatened?? WTF??

0 - 100 means jack, because robot to robot is stupid as you never really expose the power of a better car. If I wanted to stupid robot to robot ricer then I would get myself a neatly turbocharged 1400 engined lightweight car and beat most things from robot to robot given the gear box has been also setup to such a way that you only reach 100 - 120 quickly... but what's the use?

When racing on the road (and those that find this offense, i don't care, go cry somewhere else, we all know it "irresponsible" for crying out loud) I barely stop at anything below 160 - 180 (and I believe JK will agree here), we usually push it to 220+, so once again, I don't care about the petty robot to robot races as that's for immature kids who dream of a velo****ty and whom like to rev the **** out of his xhosa or velo****ty...

I honestly believe that you are one of the most ignorant, stupid, juvenile, mentally challenged people out there when it comes to your views and opinions of cars because you have this stupid approach of talking about how great the xhosa cr@pPC but when somebody shows you there are better cars out there you jump to the same little tune... "You scared of the 1.6L engine" "It's just as fast or 'faster' 0 - 100" or something stupendously similar.

Seriously dude, grow up and start learning about what really happens out there and what good really means as clearly you have a blurred perception of it.

[EvoBunny]

So whats the big idea with cruise control?

Fitting after market cruise control??? Lol that must be the stupidest thing ive ever heard!!! (makes sense if you driving long distance twice a month otherwise its ridiculous!!!!)

I have no idea as well, never even thought of requiring one myself...

[rorz0r]

Cruise control is amazing for doing long distance. I check actual speed on the GPS and set it at a speed I'm comfortable with and then it's awesome cos you don't have to keep checking what speed you going. You can rest your feet a bit too.

[Dolby]

I'm not threatened at all :p you keep bringing it up, and when I give facts of a car that has more space, more power and cost about the same you ask why I'm threatened?? WTF??

Not threatened? Look at the tone of your entire post .... resorting to insults and attacks ;) You ST boys *sigh*

Anyhow, I didn't bring performance up again - Iwojima did. I just agreed that between robots (more of a reality than blasting to 200km/h ...) it's really not far behind the Focus ST.

Of course this is the baby OPC that isn't meant to compete with the ST - for that you need to turn to the real competitor which outruns the Focus ST 0-60km/h, 0-80km/h, 0-100km/h, 0-120km/h, 1km sprint, terminal speed and 0-240km/h .... hmmmm. http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3985/size/big/cat//ppuser/7981

Though I'm sure if you look through those specs really closely, you'll find something (anything) where the ST is quicker and highlight that fact fast! That's what you ST boys usually do, isn't it?

You love looking at the competition and down play (or ignore) all areas where they outdo the ST, but highlight the points where the ST has an advantage.

"Yea xyz car may beat us everywhere and outclass us everywhere, but look at the 100-120km/h acceleration time! We're ahead! That's where it counts!"

"Yea xyz is quicker to 100km/h - but after than the ST is ahead. That's where it counts!"

"Yea xyz has more power, top end, higher acceleration in the top gears - but the ST is quicker 120km/h where it counts"

How do you compare, for interst sake? Is it 0-100km/h? 1/4 mile? Top end? Acceleration? Price? Engine capacity? It seems you guys change the criteria to suit yourselves.



I honestly believe that you are one of the most ignorant, stupid, juvenile, mentally challenged people out there when it comes to your views and opinions of cars because you have this stupid approach of talking about how great the xhosa cr@pPC but when somebody shows you there are better cars out there you jump to the same little tune... "You scared of the 1.6L engine" "It's just as fast or 'faster' 0 - 100" or something stupendously similar.

OI - getting personal now, eh? I guess that's the difference between you and I ; you've got too much emotion when arguing and you don't really place the facts down correctly. You rather get personal and attack anyone with a differing opinion to you. I guess that's why you were banned on your own Ford ST forum ... ?


Seriously dude, grow up and start learning about what really happens out there and what good really means as clearly you have a blurred perception of it.

What really happens out there? Like blhitting to 200km/h from standstill, eh? I've don't dislike the Focus ST ... I just don't think it's the super fantastic killer machine that you make it out to be. But I guess you need to justify your purchase *shrug*

[syntax]

Of course this is the baby OPC that isn't meant to compete with the ST - for that you need to turn to the real competitor which outruns the Focus ST 0-60km/h, 0-80km/h, 0-100km/h, 0-120km/h, 1km sprint, terminal speed and 0-240km/h .... hmmmm. http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3985/size/big/cat//ppuser/7981



uh, the astra opc is faster, but at an extra 70k +-, im sorry but thats insane, and the corsa opc is meant to compete, simply because it is in the same price range

[Gnome]

0 - 100 means jack, because robot to robot is stupid as you never really expose the power of a better car. If I wanted to stupid robot to robot ricer then I would get myself a neatly turbocharged 1400 engined lightweight car and beat most things from robot to robot given the gear box has been also setup to such a way that you only reach 100 - 120 quickly... but what's the use?

When racing on the road (and those that find this offense, i don't care, go cry somewhere else, we all know it "irresponsible" for crying out loud) I barely stop at anything below 160 - 180 (and I believe JK will agree here), we usually push it to 220+, so once again, I don't care about the petty robot to robot races as that's for immature kids who dream of a velo****ty and whom like to rev the **** out of his xhosa or velo****ty...

LOL :D

My word you know absolutely nothing about fast cars.

[JK8]

I'm not threatened at all :p you keep bringing it up, and when I give facts of a car that has more space, more power and cost about the same you ask why I'm threatened?? WTF??

0 - 100 means jack, because robot to robot is stupid as you never really expose the power of a better car. If I wanted to stupid robot to robot ricer then I would get myself a neatly turbocharged 1400 engined lightweight car and beat most things from robot to robot given the gear box has been also setup to such a way that you only reach 100 - 120 quickly... but what's the use?

When racing on the road (and those that find this offense, i don't care, go cry somewhere else, we all know it "irresponsible" for crying out loud) I barely stop at anything below 160 - 180 (and I believe JK will agree here), we usually push it to 220+, so once again, I don't care about the petty robot to robot races as that's for immature kids who dream of a velo****ty and whom like to rev the **** out of his xhosa or velo****ty...

I honestly believe that you are one of the most ignorant, stupid, juvenile, mentally challenged people out there when it comes to your views and opinions of cars because you have this stupid approach of talking about how great the xhosa cr@pPC but when somebody shows you there are better cars out there you jump to the same little tune... "You scared of the 1.6L engine" "It's just as fast or 'faster' 0 - 100" or something stupendously similar.

Seriously dude, grow up and start learning about what really happens out there and what good really means as clearly you have a blurred perception of it.

Woah, relax on Dolby dude...

Something to consider, the term hot hatch and the term robot to robot go hand in hand. A hot hatch is designed to be quick and not to have very high top end speed!
A 1.6 engine was not designed to reach 230+ or the 0 - 200kmph time is not as important as the 0 - 100 speed. The ST on the other hand has a bigger engine, hence the top end speed and also the ability to accelerate better than other cars after 100kmph.

[Dolby]

Woah, relax on Dolby dude...

Happens when they're backed in corners ... ;)

[Rouxenator]

Not sure if someone brought this up, but in the January issue of Car magazine the Corsa OPC beat the crap out of the Polo GTnaaI as did the Astra OPC with the Golf GTnaaI. Opels are a lot better looking and the underdog value it has makes you look like someone with a taste for the different things in life.

Try being a bit more of an individual by not driving a Corlolla or Golf.

[Iwojima]

Not sure if someone brought this up, but in the January issue of Car magazine the Corsa OPC beat the crap out of the Polo GTnaaI as did the Astra OPC with the Golf GTnaaI. Opels are a lot better looking and the underdog value it has makes you look like someone with a taste for the different things in life.

Try being a bit more of an individual by not driving a Corlolla or Golf.
Was about to congratulate you on the above opinion, until I noticed the Gareth Cliff quote in your sig :D

[Rouxenator]

Was about to congratulate you on the above opinion, until I noticed the Gareth Cliff quote in your sig :D

Thanks, but no need, I congratulate myself all the time. :p

[JK8]

Not sure if someone brought this up, but in the January issue of Car magazine the Corsa OPC beat the crap out of the Polo GTnaaI as did the Astra OPC with the Golf GTnaaI. Opels are a lot better looking and the underdog value it has makes you look like someone with a taste for the different things in life.

Try being a bit more of an individual by not driving a Corlolla or Golf.

165kw VS 110kw
177kw VS 147kw

Makes alot of sense.... they faster, but are they better?
Nah!!:D

[Rouxenator]

They drive better, look better, are less common and less cocks have them.
Plus, they are Opels, cars with a rich history and glorious heritage.

Remember, power is not everything. A C180K is still a lot better than an A4 2.0FSI.

[JK8]

They drive better, look better, are less common and less cocks have them.
Plus, they are Opels, cars with a rich history and glorious heritage.

Remember, power is not everything. A C180K is still a lot better than an A4 2.0FSI.

Lol you said it!:p
A C180 is not better than a 2.0TFSI.

[Dolby]

165kw VS 110kw
177kw VS 147kw

Makes alot of sense.... they faster, but are they better?
Nah!!:D

Earlier in the thread, cars were compared via price ... now it's power? You're like an ST boy!

Select one and be consistant ;)


0-100km/h
0-200km/h
1/4 mile
price
power

[Rouxenator]

I'll compare them on Name and Heritage.
So Opel is a lot better.

[JK8]

Earlier in the thread, cars were compared via price ... now it's power? You're like an ST boy!

Select one and be consistant ;)


0-100km/h
0-200km/h
1/4 mile
price
power


The Opels are more expensive and have more power...

[JK8]

I'll compare them on Name and Heritage.
So Opel is a lot better.

Do these new Opiels have the same heritage since GM bought them?
Nope, they look like American cars.

[Gnome]

JK8 you do know GM has "owned" Opel since 1929?

IMHO it's the only devision of GM worth anything, Opel still develops the engines in Germany, only difference is GM relabels the Opel engines and uses them in pretty much all the GM cars that feature Inline 4 engines.

If you mean GM SA, well let's see, the 200tS was the last great car Delta made and I think the Astra OPC is even more crazy than the 200tS so they definitely haven't lost that ;)

[Iwojima]

JK8 you do know GM has "owned" Opel since 1929?

IMHO it's the only devision of GM worth anything, Opel still develops the engines in Germany, only difference is GM relabels the Opel engines and uses them in pretty much all the GM cars that feature Inline 4 engines.

If you mean GM SA, well let's see, the 200tS was the last great car Delta made and I think the Astra OPC is even more crazy than the 200tS so they definitely haven't lost that ;)
+1 on the TS and I'll raise you a Coupe Turbo :p

[Rouxenator]

No he does not know that :p and he still thinks the Polo Playa was a real VW and not just a rebadged SEAT Ibiza Mk2.

[syntax]

+1 on the TS and I'll raise you a Coupe Turbo :p

The 200ts was not that great, i owned one, and whilst it was great when it ran...it was ...troublesome...It over heated continuously, it had horrid torque steer, my gearbox was constantly giving issues, parts were horribly expensive, the management system was a joke...
The super boss was a much better car IMO

[Gnome]

The 200ts was not that great, i owned one, and whilst it was great when it ran...it was ...troublesome...It over heated continuously, it had horrid torque steer, my gearbox was constantly giving issues, parts were horribly expensive, the management system was a joke...
The super boss was a much better car IMO

Yeah I know the early models had problems with overheating but apparently that was rectified, either way many people added bigger after market radiators, as for the torque steer :) what did you expect, 160kW on that car was overkill, that's why so many ended up being part of the SA landscape. Management on that car was Bosch Motronic, why do you say it's a joke, what happened?

And yes the F28 gearbox was a bit temperamental but many people have cured it by using better gearbox oil than what GM used.

Either way I'll agree the car had it's problems but considering the price I don't think you can complain, they retailed for R100K or round there if I remember correctly, nothing made 160kW back then for that price.

+1 on the Super Boss, was a awesome car.


+1 on the TS and I'll raise you a Coupe Turbo :p

Yep awesome car (How on earth I forgot it :eek: ), I like it more than the new Astra OPC, I like the Astra G coupe body better and the engine like all Opel engines can be made very powerful :p

[Iwojima]

Yeah I know the early models had problems with overheating but apparently that was rectified, either way many people added bigger after market radiators, as for the torque steer :) what did you expect, 160kW on that car was overkill, that's why so many ended up being part of the SA landscape. Management on that car was Bosch Motronic, why do you say it's a joke, what happened?

And yes the F28 gearbox was a bit temperamental but many people have cured it by using better gearbox oil than what GM used.

Either way I'll agree the car had it's problems but considering the price I don't think you can complain, they retailed for R100K or round there if I remember correctly, nothing made 160kW back then for that price.

+1 on the Super Boss, was a awesome car.



Yep awesome car (How on earth I forgot it :eek: ), I like it more than the new Astra OPC, I like the Astra G coupe body better and the engine like all Opel engines can be made very powerful :p
Nearly bought an '05 Coupe in silver making just over 200kw (at the wheels) before I bought the Corsa OPC :)

As for TS reliability, I know a few people with them and the only guys who had any major issues were the guys who modded them (hence me not wanting to buy that crazy Coupe Turbo :p )