Pooky
11-04-2008, 06:14 PM
???
EDIT: Not from going fast or in a high gear!
EDIT: Not from going fast or in a high gear!
View Full Version : Is it bad to change into first gear while moving?
bwana
11-04-2008, 06:16 PM
Yes
dominic
11-04-2008, 06:16 PM
in a car too...
hashbrown99
11-04-2008, 06:29 PM
Tricky to change into anything while moving, Pooky :D
Pooky
11-04-2008, 07:01 PM
Can someone explain why?
hashbrown99
11-04-2008, 07:14 PM
Can someone explain why?
Potential to over-rev the car especially if you are already moving quite fast. Better to move back down through the gears as you slow down, stopping at second gear. Only use first to pull away from a dead stop. Plus you'll "grind" the gears and if you were to do that in my car, you would be making a very fast switch from drivers seat to passenger seat. Smooth gear changes prolong gear box and clutch life
Potential to over-rev the car especially if you are already moving quite fast. Better to move back down through the gears as you slow down, stopping at second gear. Only use first to pull away from a dead stop. Plus you'll "grind" the gears and if you were to do that in my car, you would be making a very fast switch from drivers seat to passenger seat. Smooth gear changes prolong gear box and clutch life
Pooky
11-04-2008, 07:44 PM
Potential to over-rev the car especially if you are already moving quite fast. Better to move back down through the gears as you slow down, stopping at second gear. Only use first to pull away from a dead stop. Plus you'll "grind" the gears and if you were to do that in my car, you would be making a very fast switch from drivers seat to passenger seat. Smooth gear changes prolong gear box and clutch life
Cool thanks. What if you're in traffic and going too slowly for second gear, but the traffic is moving so you can't stop to change down to first?
Cool thanks. What if you're in traffic and going too slowly for second gear, but the traffic is moving so you can't stop to change down to first?
Velenoso
11-04-2008, 07:55 PM
it depends whether the car has synchro on first gear. If it doesnt, it will grind.
Grouter
11-04-2008, 08:02 PM
Cool thanks. What if you're in traffic and going too slowly for second gear, but the traffic is moving so you can't stop to change down to first?
ALL vehicles made since the seventies have had synchromesh gearboxes as standard equipment. If it goes in, drop the clutch and go! (BTW - are you just learning how to drive?)
ALL vehicles made since the seventies have had synchromesh gearboxes as standard equipment. If it goes in, drop the clutch and go! (BTW - are you just learning how to drive?)
CaTcH21
11-04-2008, 08:22 PM
it depends whether the car has synchro on first gear. If it doesnt, it will grind.
Exactly, but im sure you know that you cant change into 1st if the car is at a nice rolling speed.
Exactly, but im sure you know that you cant change into 1st if the car is at a nice rolling speed.
Grouter
11-04-2008, 08:28 PM
methinks pook's has gone for a drive...:)
ToxicBunny
12-04-2008, 11:19 AM
methinks I needs to find out where he's is attempting to "drive" simply so i can avoid that part of the world...
Messugga
12-04-2008, 11:22 AM
methinks he's already gone for a drive and ground the gears to hell and back and something went "clink" and now he's wondering if he broke it :p
ToxicBunny
12-04-2008, 11:59 AM
me hopes the drive put him far away and he broke it good and proper.... so proper that we can expect him to vanish for good :p
Pixie22
12-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Nothing is too slow for second gear.
ToxicBunny
12-04-2008, 12:22 PM
Don't confuse Hellothere... he's prob only just gotten his mind around the concept of gears meaning he can go faster...
Pitbull
12-04-2008, 12:41 PM
Nothing is too slow for second gear.
100% correct.
My gear selector broke one day and the car was in second. I could pull away in second (Little bit of clucth needed but not much). The problem is with some inclines. At my complex the driveway is about 60 degree incline. I can drive into the driveway in second but need to change down to first so I can climb out the incline. But appart from that Pixie22 is 100% correct.
It comes with driving for ages I think.
I will reverse, and change to first while the car is still going backwards. Then start letting the clucth go little by little till the car starts moving forward. Not using the brake at all :D
Anyone else do that ?
100% correct.
My gear selector broke one day and the car was in second. I could pull away in second (Little bit of clucth needed but not much). The problem is with some inclines. At my complex the driveway is about 60 degree incline. I can drive into the driveway in second but need to change down to first so I can climb out the incline. But appart from that Pixie22 is 100% correct.
It comes with driving for ages I think.
I will reverse, and change to first while the car is still going backwards. Then start letting the clucth go little by little till the car starts moving forward. Not using the brake at all :D
Anyone else do that ?
Pooky
12-04-2008, 12:42 PM
So its fine to go in second gear at any speed?
ToxicBunny
12-04-2008, 12:56 PM
For you..... yes Hellothere, you can use 2nd at any speed you want.
Works best changing from 5th into 2nd, gives the car a serious kick of speed.
Pitbull : I do a very similar thing :)
Works best changing from 5th into 2nd, gives the car a serious kick of speed.
Pitbull : I do a very similar thing :)
Messugga
12-04-2008, 12:56 PM
If the car doesn't stall as a result, it's fine. Try slowing down while in second and see how far you can go. You should be able to get to almost a standstill(like 10km/h on an average car) before the car starts jerking as it's revolutions drop beneath the amount needed to generate enough torque to actually manage to reach another point where fuel ignition can take place.
@Pitbull, I do it as well...although, I tend to drop the clutch a bit faster sometimes when I'm feeling naughty, causing a bit of wheelspin ;)
@Pitbull, I do it as well...although, I tend to drop the clutch a bit faster sometimes when I'm feeling naughty, causing a bit of wheelspin ;)
Pitbull
12-04-2008, 12:56 PM
So its fine to go in second gear at any speed?
:eek:
No but I would say as long as the wheels are moving forward, yes. But not at a speed in access of 40km/h.
:eek:
No but I would say as long as the wheels are moving forward, yes. But not at a speed in access of 40km/h.
CaTcH21
12-04-2008, 12:58 PM
So its fine to go in second gear at any speed?
you cant change from 5th to 2nd, if you at at a high speed,you'll smoke your engine.
5th- 2000revs you'll get away,4th-2500 revs you'll get away, 3rd-4000 revs you'll get away
you cant change from 5th to 2nd, if you at at a high speed,you'll smoke your engine.
5th- 2000revs you'll get away,4th-2500 revs you'll get away, 3rd-4000 revs you'll get away
ToxicBunny
12-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Damnit you ppl...
*mutter*
*mutter*
HavocXphere
12-04-2008, 01:00 PM
On my car, I can't get 1st in gear unless I'm traveling at <10kmh.
As a general rule, you'll want to use first in two instances:
1) Car is standing still
2) Going up a *steep* incline in a weak car. After a while the car gets too slow for second gear. i.e. almost comes to a stop. Then you can use 1st. The car must however be seriously slow already.
As a general rule, you'll want to use first in two instances:
1) Car is standing still
2) Going up a *steep* incline in a weak car. After a while the car gets too slow for second gear. i.e. almost comes to a stop. Then you can use 1st. The car must however be seriously slow already.
Pooky
12-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Obviously I meant slow speeds....
My drivers license is booked for 12th August.
My drivers license is booked for 12th August.
Pitbull
12-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Damnit you ppl...
*mutter*
lol, think about it
5000 rpm in 5th gear is roughly... depending on the gear ration 6500 rpm in 4th 9500 rpm in 3rd 14000 rpm in 2nd :eek: = BOOM and a hell of a smoke ball :D
*mutter*
lol, think about it
5000 rpm in 5th gear is roughly... depending on the gear ration 6500 rpm in 4th 9500 rpm in 3rd 14000 rpm in 2nd :eek: = BOOM and a hell of a smoke ball :D
Pitbull
12-04-2008, 01:07 PM
Obviously I meant slow speeds....
My drivers license is booked for 12th August.
Then don't worry about switching to second.
You will switch to second only before you making a turn. And don't gear down when you stop (I wonder why one is not allowed to gear down ? It's saver aint it ?).
My drivers license is booked for 12th August.
Then don't worry about switching to second.
You will switch to second only before you making a turn. And don't gear down when you stop (I wonder why one is not allowed to gear down ? It's saver aint it ?).
Messugga
12-04-2008, 01:15 PM
Because when you gear down, there's the risk of stalling your engine which can cause brakes to not work. Stupid, I know, and I don't think you even have this problem anymore with modern cars, but that's how it was explained to me. Might be wrong though.
Pitbull
12-04-2008, 01:23 PM
Because when you gear down, there's the risk of stalling your engine which can cause brakes to not work. Stupid, I know, and I don't think you even have this problem anymore with modern cars, but that's how it was explained to me. Might be wrong though.
I can agree with that. Sounds fair. I had a massive fall on a Bike I owned a couple of years ago because of gearing down.
V-twin bike with massive compression. Bike died while i was gearing down, thought I'll get it started again by gearing down one more time... problem is I was in the turn already :D The back wheel locked up and I "High sided" :o
But it does give you more control over the breaking if done correctly. I think they should teach people how to do it correctly rather than outlawing it ;)
I can agree with that. Sounds fair. I had a massive fall on a Bike I owned a couple of years ago because of gearing down.
V-twin bike with massive compression. Bike died while i was gearing down, thought I'll get it started again by gearing down one more time... problem is I was in the turn already :D The back wheel locked up and I "High sided" :o
But it does give you more control over the breaking if done correctly. I think they should teach people how to do it correctly rather than outlawing it ;)
4cer
12-04-2008, 01:29 PM
Go back to first if i want to pull off fast when slowing down :)
Depending on car you shopuld be able to do abt 80 in second :)
Depending on car you shopuld be able to do abt 80 in second :)
Messugga
12-04-2008, 01:35 PM
Pitbull, yeah, it does offer more control over the vehicle, when done correctly. They key is to sync up the engine's rpm with the gearbox so that there's a smooth transition and the wheels are kept at a constant as possible level of friction with the road. This aids in cornering and also sounds pretty cool ^_^ Gotta love the throttle blip.
feo
12-04-2008, 01:44 PM
Only change to 1st gear when you're at a dead stop, for everything else (i.e. slow moving traffic etc.) use 2nd gear or just put it in neutral and let the car roll.
But seeing as this is for your drivers licence, you get bonus points for shifting from 5th to 2nd gear as ToxicBunny said.
But seeing as this is for your drivers licence, you get bonus points for shifting from 5th to 2nd gear as ToxicBunny said.
xrapidx
12-04-2008, 01:56 PM
I did not know this... interesting.
Pooky
12-04-2008, 02:37 PM
But seeing as this is for your drivers licence, you get bonus points for shifting from 5th to 2nd gear as ToxicBunny said.
How about I use a car with 6 gears and change down to first while going 200km in a 60km zone?
How about I use a car with 6 gears and change down to first while going 200km in a 60km zone?
feo
12-04-2008, 02:46 PM
How about I use a car with 6 gears and change down to first while going 200km in a 60km zone?
Traveling 200 kilometers seems a bit far to be driving without a licence hey. :D
Seriously though, if you have to even ask a question like that then it's quite clear that you're not ready for your licence test.
Traveling 200 kilometers seems a bit far to be driving without a licence hey. :D
Seriously though, if you have to even ask a question like that then it's quite clear that you're not ready for your licence test.
Pooky
12-04-2008, 02:54 PM
Traveling 200 kilometers seems a bit far to be driving without a licence hey. :D
Seriously though, if you have to even ask a question like that then it's quite clear that you're not ready for your license test.
And I was being totally serious.
Seriously though, if you have to even ask a question like that then it's quite clear that you're not ready for your license test.
And I was being totally serious.
bullfrog
12-04-2008, 02:56 PM
And I was being totally serious.
You forgot your sarcasm sign, never EVER forget your sarcasm sign :P
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Asarcasm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
You forgot your sarcasm sign, never EVER forget your sarcasm sign :P
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Asarcasm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
ToxicBunny
12-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Pitbull : I know those conversions... I would just piss myself laughing to drive past Hellothere, sitting in mommy's car with the engine in pieces on the road cos he'd forced it into 1st whilst doing some ridiculous speed.
Oh and Hellothere, if you're one of those morons who think speeding is cool, please just skip your drivers license, we don't need more morons on the road.
Oh and Hellothere, if you're one of those morons who think speeding is cool, please just skip your drivers license, we don't need more morons on the road.
feo
12-04-2008, 02:59 PM
Go to a quiet area and drive at 70km/h in 4th gear and then see what happens when you suddenly shift down to 1st gear. :)
Pooky
12-04-2008, 03:10 PM
Pitbull : I know those conversions... I would just piss myself laughing to drive past Hellothere, sitting in mommy's car with the engine in pieces on the road cos he'd forced it into 1st whilst doing some ridiculous speed.
Oh and Hellothere, if you're one of those morons who think speeding is cool, please just skip your drivers license, we don't need more morons on the road.
Yup speeding is really cool. And I'm totally not being sarcastic towards your suggestions of changing down to first going really fast.
Oh and Hellothere, if you're one of those morons who think speeding is cool, please just skip your drivers license, we don't need more morons on the road.
Yup speeding is really cool. And I'm totally not being sarcastic towards your suggestions of changing down to first going really fast.
feo
12-04-2008, 03:15 PM
Yup speeding is really cool. And I'm totally not being sarcastic towards your suggestions of changing down to first going really fast.
This is what's gonna happen to you when you go for your drivers licence test...
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
This is what's gonna happen to you when you go for your drivers licence test...
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
Pooky
12-04-2008, 03:21 PM
This is what's gonna happen to you when you go for your drivers licence test...
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
And just how would you know that?
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
And just how would you know that?
feo
12-04-2008, 03:28 PM
And just how would you know that?
The existence of this thread..
The existence of this thread..
CaTcH21
12-04-2008, 06:50 PM
The existence of this thread..
i kinda agree
i kinda agree
Pooky
12-04-2008, 10:02 PM
I don't understand.
Grouter
12-04-2008, 10:14 PM
As I see it, what the general consensus seems to be is that if you are unable to visualise the sight of your car's engine in a million pieces all over the road having lunched itself after some arbitrary gear change from ... let's say 4th to 1st at some arbitrary speed of.. let's say 100kmph, then perhaps it's time for a bit more learning before going for the plunge of actually letting yourself loose (alone) on the country's roads. Hope you're using your own car - good luck in your test:)
Fudzy
12-04-2008, 10:39 PM
What is the context of the original question? If you're on a freeway doing 120+ and suddenly change from 5th into 1st, its a very bad idea unless all other means of braking have failed you. It comes down the ratios of the gear box and the stresses that come from it that determines whether or not this is a bad idea at more rational speeds.
sly
12-04-2008, 11:27 PM
What is the context of the original question? If you're on a freeway doing 120+ and suddenly change from 5th into 1st, its a very bad idea unless all other means of braking have failed you. It comes down the ratios of the gear box and the stresses that come from it that determines whether or not this is a bad idea at more rational speeds.
Gear->Torque--->rpm
1->5 1000 slow
2->4 2000 slowish
3->3 3000 ok
4->2 4000 fast
5->1 5000 speeding
what do u think will happen at on an downhill if u change to first
i have seen some drivers try to defy the laws of physics and killing their gearboxes. killing gear links... give it a try and see what happens
Gear->Torque--->rpm
1->5 1000 slow
2->4 2000 slowish
3->3 3000 ok
4->2 4000 fast
5->1 5000 speeding
what do u think will happen at on an downhill if u change to first
i have seen some drivers try to defy the laws of physics and killing their gearboxes. killing gear links... give it a try and see what happens
Pooky
12-04-2008, 11:30 PM
You guys need a crash course in sarcasm.
Tux
13-04-2008, 12:40 AM
Moot point far as I can see. most cars, I dare say every car (case even my 40y/o vw) prevents you to change to first gear even from 2nd if the car's going faster than x km/h. maybe 4th or fifth down to 2nd...
HavocXphere
13-04-2008, 12:45 AM
Ok, new topic...Best hand-brake turn technique?
Tux
13-04-2008, 01:32 AM
Best one = any one you can walk away from
ToxicBunny
13-04-2008, 08:45 AM
No, Hellothere.. you need a course (preferrably about as long as it takes for you to grow old and stop breathing and irritating every living creature around you) in how NOT to ask fscking stupid questions.
adamr
13-04-2008, 10:32 AM
Ok, new topic...Best hand-brake turn technique?
my dad was a pro with this ... he would rive in straight line and pull the handbreak up and 360 the car and carry on straight again ... im too poop bang to try that with my car ... drop the clutch a lot when taking a turn so the a55 comes out ... looks cool ... :)
my dad was a pro with this ... he would rive in straight line and pull the handbreak up and 360 the car and carry on straight again ... im too poop bang to try that with my car ... drop the clutch a lot when taking a turn so the a55 comes out ... looks cool ... :)
Alan
13-04-2008, 10:33 AM
methinks I needs to find out where he's is attempting to "drive" simply so i can avoid that part of the world...
Thankfully he's in your part of the world :p
:D
Thankfully he's in your part of the world :p
:D
xrapidx
13-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Isn't he in Durbs?
feo
13-04-2008, 10:36 AM
Yip..
Alan
13-04-2008, 10:37 AM
Isn't he in Durbs?
Yeah and TB is heading back there. Or now maybe not :o
Yeah and TB is heading back there. Or now maybe not :o
ToxicBunny
13-04-2008, 10:53 AM
Bugger, somebody would throw a spanner into the works.... fsckit...
I will need to find out which car it is going to try plow into someone else, and just remove the wheels, the city of Durban will be grateful to me for removing its ability to "drive"
I will need to find out which car it is going to try plow into someone else, and just remove the wheels, the city of Durban will be grateful to me for removing its ability to "drive"
Telkomisaloser
13-04-2008, 11:05 AM
This is what's gonna happen to you when you go for your drivers licence test...
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
Seconded...
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
Seconded...
Gunny
13-04-2008, 12:15 PM
Then don't worry about switching to second.
You will switch to second only before you making a turn. And don't gear down when you stop (I wonder why one is not allowed to gear down ? It's saver aint it ?).
The idea is to keep both hands on the steering while braking. "Gearing down" sequentialy running down through the gears, is not nessesary unless you have serious braking issues. Brake to the speed you need to be then declutch and select the right gear for the speed. Once you get enough experiance you only use first from stop and very steep inclines.
Going into first from reverse and letting the clutch out while rolling back is madness, you putting extra strain on half the drive terrain (CVs, Gearbox, Clutch, Motor) those are all considerably more expensive to fix/replace than a decent set of brake pads.
Rather make the brakes work hard and save the clutch. R300 for new brake pads or a few thousand for a new clutch you decide.
You will switch to second only before you making a turn. And don't gear down when you stop (I wonder why one is not allowed to gear down ? It's saver aint it ?).
The idea is to keep both hands on the steering while braking. "Gearing down" sequentialy running down through the gears, is not nessesary unless you have serious braking issues. Brake to the speed you need to be then declutch and select the right gear for the speed. Once you get enough experiance you only use first from stop and very steep inclines.
Going into first from reverse and letting the clutch out while rolling back is madness, you putting extra strain on half the drive terrain (CVs, Gearbox, Clutch, Motor) those are all considerably more expensive to fix/replace than a decent set of brake pads.
Rather make the brakes work hard and save the clutch. R300 for new brake pads or a few thousand for a new clutch you decide.
PostmanPot
13-04-2008, 12:38 PM
This is what's gonna happen to you when you go for your drivers licence test...
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
ROFL!
When I first saw this your post, I was on a local account, so pic didn't load. Now on international.
:D :D :D
You are gonna:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5409/garagefailbe0.jpg
ROFL!
When I first saw this your post, I was on a local account, so pic didn't load. Now on international.
:D :D :D
ToxicBunny
13-04-2008, 01:04 PM
I still wanna know how that fool managed it... and its a damn capetonian... was prob looking at the "mountain" in the mirror :D
eg2505
17-04-2008, 02:52 PM
now I will ask a good question:
Does gearing down gradually to a stop waste petrol?
Does gearing down gradually to a stop waste petrol?
Gnome
17-04-2008, 03:23 PM
The idea is to keep both hands on the steering while braking. "Gearing down" sequentialy running down through the gears, is not nessesary unless you have serious braking issues. Brake to the speed you need to be then declutch and select the right gear for the speed. Once you get enough experiance you only use first from stop and very steep inclines.
If you drive a cheap car the gearing down while breaking helps, and when you get really good at driving you'll be able to tell when to go into first even if it isn't a steep incline or dead stop ;) Sometimes you're just driving slow enough that 1st works better than 2nd (IE less than 10km/h) but I guess that depends on the car.
If you drive a cheap car the gearing down while breaking helps, and when you get really good at driving you'll be able to tell when to go into first even if it isn't a steep incline or dead stop ;) Sometimes you're just driving slow enough that 1st works better than 2nd (IE less than 10km/h) but I guess that depends on the car.
kiepie
18-04-2008, 03:56 AM
ROFL!
When I first saw this your post, I was on a local account, so pic didn't load. Now on international.
:D :D :D
Same here! LOL :D :D
When I first saw this your post, I was on a local account, so pic didn't load. Now on international.
:D :D :D
Same here! LOL :D :D
Velenoso
18-04-2008, 09:40 AM
now I will ask a good question:
Does gearing down gradually to a stop waste petrol?
Nah, if your foot isn't on the accelerator you're using the equivalent amount of fuel to just having the engine idling.
Does gearing down gradually to a stop waste petrol?
Nah, if your foot isn't on the accelerator you're using the equivalent amount of fuel to just having the engine idling.
ToxicBunny
18-04-2008, 09:43 AM
Oddly enough, I've noticed if you stay in gear and coast for a bit before pushing in the clutch you do save a BIT of fuel...
Not sure why this is the case, but yeah.
Not sure why this is the case, but yeah.