Pooky
14-04-2008, 07:30 PM
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View Full Version : Has anyone ever had a tooth implant/bone graft in your mouth?
texo
14-04-2008, 07:43 PM
Who smacked you in the face?
Pooky
14-04-2008, 07:44 PM
I was born with a missing incisor. I have to have a bone graft and an implant there.
Paulr
14-04-2008, 08:19 PM
Where are they taking the graft from? Probably you hip?
Funny thing is that the graft often hurts more than the actual op site.
Be prepared for quite a bit of swelling and discomfort for a week or so, but the worst does dissipate about 72hrs after the op.
If they tell you "It won't hurt a bit" they lie.... Or they got some new pain management technique that hasn't been published yet.
So, in conclusion, fairly serious pain and swelling for the first 2-3 days, then gradual reduction in the next 5-7 days.
After about 2 weeks you should be sharps.
Funny thing is that the graft often hurts more than the actual op site.
Be prepared for quite a bit of swelling and discomfort for a week or so, but the worst does dissipate about 72hrs after the op.
If they tell you "It won't hurt a bit" they lie.... Or they got some new pain management technique that hasn't been published yet.
So, in conclusion, fairly serious pain and swelling for the first 2-3 days, then gradual reduction in the next 5-7 days.
After about 2 weeks you should be sharps.
Surv0
14-04-2008, 08:22 PM
sounds awesome :)
Pooky
14-04-2008, 08:24 PM
Where are they taking the graft from? Probably you hip?
Funny thing is that the graft often hurts more than the actual op site.
Be prepared for quite a bit of swelling and discomfort for a week or so, but the worst does dissipate about 72hrs after the op.
If they tell you "It won't hurt a bit" they lie.... Or they got some new pain management technique that hasn't been published yet.
So, in conclusion, fairly serious pain and swelling for the first 2-3 days, then gradual reduction in the next 5-7 days.
After about 2 weeks you should be sharps.
They taking it from my jaw. They cutting underneath my bottom teeth to take a bit of bone..... The main thing I'm worried about is during the operation, they are using sedation, they say you can't remember it afterwards but I want to know whether you experience it.
Funny thing is that the graft often hurts more than the actual op site.
Be prepared for quite a bit of swelling and discomfort for a week or so, but the worst does dissipate about 72hrs after the op.
If they tell you "It won't hurt a bit" they lie.... Or they got some new pain management technique that hasn't been published yet.
So, in conclusion, fairly serious pain and swelling for the first 2-3 days, then gradual reduction in the next 5-7 days.
After about 2 weeks you should be sharps.
They taking it from my jaw. They cutting underneath my bottom teeth to take a bit of bone..... The main thing I'm worried about is during the operation, they are using sedation, they say you can't remember it afterwards but I want to know whether you experience it.
texo
14-04-2008, 08:25 PM
I was born with a missing incisor. I have to have a bone graft and an implant there.
You're lucky -- I was born with all my teeth, but most of them have been knocked out and replaced over the years! :D
You're lucky -- I was born with all my teeth, but most of them have been knocked out and replaced over the years! :D
texo
14-04-2008, 08:26 PM
they are using sedation
You mean anaesthetic? Are you being put under (LOL, I nearly typed "are you being put down") completely?
You mean anaesthetic? Are you being put under (LOL, I nearly typed "are you being put down") completely?
Paulr
14-04-2008, 08:38 PM
They taking it from my jaw. They cutting underneath my bottom teeth to take a bit of bone..... The main thing I'm worried about is during the operation, they are using sedation, they say you can't remember it afterwards but I want to know whether you experience it.
Sedation is a term that basically means a light anaesthesia.
You won't go to "sleep" completely, you'll still be "awake" - but the type of drugs used (if used properly) will make you forget the whole procedure.
For a relatively small op like that (compared to huge surgery) it is a viable option as it is quite controllable (sp?) and gives the same results in terms of patient comfort without the issues of a full anaesthetic.
Sedation is a term that basically means a light anaesthesia.
You won't go to "sleep" completely, you'll still be "awake" - but the type of drugs used (if used properly) will make you forget the whole procedure.
For a relatively small op like that (compared to huge surgery) it is a viable option as it is quite controllable (sp?) and gives the same results in terms of patient comfort without the issues of a full anaesthetic.
blonde one
14-04-2008, 08:42 PM
They taking it from my jaw. They cutting underneath my bottom teeth to take a bit of bone..... The main thing I'm worried about is during the operation, they are using sedation, they say you can't remember it afterwards but I want to know whether you experience it.
It's called conscious sedation. You are conscious of what's going on around you at the time but you feel no pain. You can't remember anything afterwards and the plus side is that you wake up immediately with none of the groggy after effects that you get with anesthetic.
It's called conscious sedation. You are conscious of what's going on around you at the time but you feel no pain. You can't remember anything afterwards and the plus side is that you wake up immediately with none of the groggy after effects that you get with anesthetic.
Pooky
14-04-2008, 08:48 PM
So it wont hurt while the operation is taking place, but I will experience it and be aware of them cutting into my jaw?
oober
14-04-2008, 08:53 PM
So it wont hurt while the operation is taking place, but I will experience it and be aware of them cutting into my jaw?
I have heard of cases where people are aware of what is happening to them but they are completely parallelized. And the worst thing is that they can feel pain but they cannot speak or move to indicate it.
But I'm sure that won't happen to you... :cool:
I have heard of cases where people are aware of what is happening to them but they are completely parallelized. And the worst thing is that they can feel pain but they cannot speak or move to indicate it.
But I'm sure that won't happen to you... :cool:
blonde one
14-04-2008, 08:55 PM
You will experience it at the time and no, you won't feel anything, it's a strange feeling of being there but not being there. You have nothing to worry about it's actually a pleasant dreamy feeling and the sedation takes away the reality of what's happening.
http://www.aana.com/forpatients.aspx?ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetID=68&ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetType=4&ucNavMenu_TSMenuID=6&id=298
http://www.aana.com/forpatients.aspx?ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetID=68&ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetType=4&ucNavMenu_TSMenuID=6&id=298
Pooky
14-04-2008, 09:31 PM
You will experience it at the time and no, you won't feel anything, it's a strange feeling of being there but not being there. You have nothing to worry about it's actually a pleasant dreamy feeling and the sedation takes away the reality of what's happening.
http://www.aana.com/forpatients.aspx?ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetID=68&ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetType=4&ucNavMenu_TSMenuID=6&id=298
Thanks you reassured me.
http://www.aana.com/forpatients.aspx?ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetID=68&ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetType=4&ucNavMenu_TSMenuID=6&id=298
Thanks you reassured me.
Pooky
22-04-2008, 07:09 PM
My operation is on Thursday!!!:eek::eek:
teraside
22-04-2008, 07:44 PM
My operation is on Thursday!!!:eek::eek:
Just relax and you'll be fine ;) Best to treat the nurses and doctors with respect and I'm sure they will make it as pleasant as possible for you.
I've been under anaesthesia a few times in my life, the after effect of it was the worse for me and I woke up once in surgery, but that's the doctors fault, not mine.
Just remember to chill, pray a prayer if you are the believing type and wooosssaaaaa ;)
Just relax and you'll be fine ;) Best to treat the nurses and doctors with respect and I'm sure they will make it as pleasant as possible for you.
I've been under anaesthesia a few times in my life, the after effect of it was the worse for me and I woke up once in surgery, but that's the doctors fault, not mine.
Just remember to chill, pray a prayer if you are the believing type and wooosssaaaaa ;)
Pooky
22-04-2008, 07:49 PM
Thing is I don't go to sleep....... Just sedation while they hack a piece of bone out of underneath my bottom teeth and screw it into my jaw........ *oh woes me*
Pooky
25-04-2008, 11:19 AM
YAY It's finished. I'm so relieved!
teraside
25-04-2008, 11:23 AM
YAY It's finished. I'm so relieved!
Did it hurt Pookster? ;)
Did it hurt Pookster? ;)
mercurial
25-04-2008, 11:27 AM
http://www.eina.com/forpatients.aspx?ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetID=68&ucNavMenu_TSMenuTargetType=4&ucNavMenu_TSMenuID=6&id=298
Fixed :)
Just relax and you'll be fine ;) Best to treat the nurses and doctors with respect and I'm sure they will make it as pleasant as possible for you.
Will they still treat him properly if they know he is Pooky? :D
Fixed :)
Just relax and you'll be fine ;) Best to treat the nurses and doctors with respect and I'm sure they will make it as pleasant as possible for you.
Will they still treat him properly if they know he is Pooky? :D
Pooky
25-04-2008, 11:34 AM
The only part that hurt was the first injection in my arm, but it was minor. I don't remember the rest... Now it's pretty sore though.
teraside
25-04-2008, 11:36 AM
The only part that hurt was the first injection in my arm, but it was minor. I don't remember the rest... Now it's pretty sore though.
Shame man, I feel you're pain little man ;) Just take a kitchen cloth and some ice and wrap the ice in the cloth and lie down with the cloth and ice on your jaw/mouth. The cold helps a lot ;)
Shame man, I feel you're pain little man ;) Just take a kitchen cloth and some ice and wrap the ice in the cloth and lie down with the cloth and ice on your jaw/mouth. The cold helps a lot ;)
Pooky
25-04-2008, 11:38 AM
Ya I have to put this ice pack on to stop the swelling. I have myprodol though so it's not unbearable. :)
teraside
25-04-2008, 11:39 AM
Ya I have to put this ice pack on to stop the swelling. I have myprodol though so it's not unbearable. :)
Cool, I didn't get an ice pack when my wisdom teeth were cut out :( poor me, I'm one tough customer at least :p ;) :D
Cool, I didn't get an ice pack when my wisdom teeth were cut out :( poor me, I'm one tough customer at least :p ;) :D
lived666
25-04-2008, 09:29 PM
My operation is on Thursday!!!:eek::eek:
eish, dude not nice.
my mom had to have a few implants done and within a few months they have all worked themselves loose - the agony of a loose implant is impossible to describe without being banned from the forum :mad::mad::mad::mad:
eish, dude not nice.
my mom had to have a few implants done and within a few months they have all worked themselves loose - the agony of a loose implant is impossible to describe without being banned from the forum :mad::mad::mad::mad:
CathJ
30-04-2008, 04:03 PM
I was born with a missing incisor. I have to have a bone graft and an implant there.
Can I ask why they have to do an implant? I've also got a 'missing' tooth and it's never been a problem.
Can I ask why they have to do an implant? I've also got a 'missing' tooth and it's never been a problem.
DJ...
30-04-2008, 04:10 PM
I have heard of a new sedation technique involving absolutely no anaesthesia which is being promoted by the medical aids for cost reasons. It is a drug that makes you forget the operation completely but during the operation you feel it all. I believe they are using this for small ops like tonsil removal and wisdom teeth removal. You feel it all during the operation but forget it ever happened! Sounds like legalized torture if you ask me...
Pookster - if they were not giving you a general anaesthetic then maybe this is what you had???
Pookster - if they were not giving you a general anaesthetic then maybe this is what you had???
Pooky
30-04-2008, 04:53 PM
Can I ask why they have to do an implant? I've also got a 'missing' tooth and it's never been a problem.
If I didn't have it, then my teeth would be all skew. I have had to have braces to open up the gap and straighten my teeth so that the implant could be put in. Where is your missing tooth?
I have heard of a new sedation technique involving absolutely no anaesthesia which is being promoted by the medical aids for cost reasons. It is a drug that makes you forget the operation completely but during the operation you feel it all. I believe they are using this for small ops like tonsil removal and wisdom teeth removal. You feel it all during the operation but forget it ever happened! Sounds like legalized torture if you ask me...
Pookster - if they were not giving you a general anaesthetic then maybe this is what you had???
LOL, they wouldn't let you feel it during the operation. I remember bits. They took blood so that they could get the plasma to put back in after the operation. Then they injected me with the conscious sedation drug, and then used local anaesthetics in my mouth so that I would not feel it.
If I didn't have it, then my teeth would be all skew. I have had to have braces to open up the gap and straighten my teeth so that the implant could be put in. Where is your missing tooth?
I have heard of a new sedation technique involving absolutely no anaesthesia which is being promoted by the medical aids for cost reasons. It is a drug that makes you forget the operation completely but during the operation you feel it all. I believe they are using this for small ops like tonsil removal and wisdom teeth removal. You feel it all during the operation but forget it ever happened! Sounds like legalized torture if you ask me...
Pookster - if they were not giving you a general anaesthetic then maybe this is what you had???
LOL, they wouldn't let you feel it during the operation. I remember bits. They took blood so that they could get the plasma to put back in after the operation. Then they injected me with the conscious sedation drug, and then used local anaesthetics in my mouth so that I would not feel it.
Picard
30-04-2008, 05:16 PM
I don't think I have the stomach to have been a surgeon.
DJ...
30-04-2008, 05:19 PM
LOL, they wouldn't let you feel it during the operation.
You are far too naive young Pookster. Medical Aids will do anything to save a buck. The topic was covered on 702 and doctors called in to complain about having to perform procedures where patients were in considerable duress. It haunts them when they sleep at night. It is happenning, just consider yourself lucky you didnt have to endure it.
You are far too naive young Pookster. Medical Aids will do anything to save a buck. The topic was covered on 702 and doctors called in to complain about having to perform procedures where patients were in considerable duress. It haunts them when they sleep at night. It is happenning, just consider yourself lucky you didnt have to endure it.
littleperson
04-05-2010, 04:50 PM
If I didn't have it, then my teeth would be all skew. I have had to have braces to open up the gap and straighten my teeth so that the implant could be put in. Where is your missing tooth?
LOL, they wouldn't let you feel it during the operation. I remember bits. They took blood so that they could get the plasma to put back in after the operation. Then they injected me with the conscious sedation drug, and then used local anaesthetics in my mouth so that I would not feel it.
Hi Pookie - could you tell me if you are happy with the bone graft - My sister had a car accident and has to decide between a bone graft and putting implants in or doing a bridge but she will lose 2 more teeth (it is her upper front 2 teeth and she wants it to look as normal as possible but is really worried about how painful the bone graft will be)
LOL, they wouldn't let you feel it during the operation. I remember bits. They took blood so that they could get the plasma to put back in after the operation. Then they injected me with the conscious sedation drug, and then used local anaesthetics in my mouth so that I would not feel it.
Hi Pookie - could you tell me if you are happy with the bone graft - My sister had a car accident and has to decide between a bone graft and putting implants in or doing a bridge but she will lose 2 more teeth (it is her upper front 2 teeth and she wants it to look as normal as possible but is really worried about how painful the bone graft will be)
Hosehead
04-05-2010, 07:09 PM
It probably was a short acting hypnotic like liquid dormicium administered via IV along with a painkiller if the anaesthetist was feeling generous. You still get the same old whatevercaine local anaesthetics on site in the mouth when you are " under" or "in twilight sleep" All dormicum does is interfere with the short term memory so you have no recall. You are asleep yet awake. Some people remember nothing and others recall certain moments in the operation. If the anesthetic injection held a milky white fluid lit was most likely propofol aka milk of magnesia or A Michael Jackson. Don't know if Propofol is available here-but I'm sure it is.
Pooky
04-05-2010, 07:31 PM
Hi Pookie - could you tell me if you are happy with the bone graft - My sister had a car accident and has to decide between a bone graft and putting implants in or doing a bridge but she will lose 2 more teeth (it is her upper front 2 teeth and she wants it to look as normal as possible but is really worried about how painful the bone graft will be)
I am very happy. They did the graft, and then later once healed, they did another operation to drill and screw the implant in, and I now have a full implant with a crown. It was a prototype ceramic implant so I got it for free too! I now have a crown on top and I must say it looks pretty good. The graft is indeed the worst part of the operation as there were two sites in my mouth that were all stitched up and swollen, and they took quite a while to heal, but it wasn't unbearable pain at all.
I was realllllly scared before the operation, but once they put the needle in my arm and I drifted off into some unknown place, it was ok. Can't really remember much except in the beginning when they jabbed my mouth with needles, and also the surgeon telling me what to do a few times. Great thing about the conscious sedation though is that afterwards they just stop administering the drugs and you come out of it straight away with no side effects.
It probably was a short acting hypnotic like liquid dormicium administered via IV along with a painkiller if the anaesthetist was feeling generous. You still get the same old whatevercaine local anaesthetics on site in the mouth when you are " under" or "in twilight sleep" All dormicum does is interfere with the short term memory so you have no recall. You are asleep yet awake. Some people remember nothing and others recall certain moments in the operation. If the anesthetic injection held a milky white fluid lit was most likely propofol aka milk of magnesia or A Michael Jackson. Don't know if Propofol is available here-but I'm sure it is.
Yeah they injected a big vial of white stuff into my arm.
I am very happy. They did the graft, and then later once healed, they did another operation to drill and screw the implant in, and I now have a full implant with a crown. It was a prototype ceramic implant so I got it for free too! I now have a crown on top and I must say it looks pretty good. The graft is indeed the worst part of the operation as there were two sites in my mouth that were all stitched up and swollen, and they took quite a while to heal, but it wasn't unbearable pain at all.
I was realllllly scared before the operation, but once they put the needle in my arm and I drifted off into some unknown place, it was ok. Can't really remember much except in the beginning when they jabbed my mouth with needles, and also the surgeon telling me what to do a few times. Great thing about the conscious sedation though is that afterwards they just stop administering the drugs and you come out of it straight away with no side effects.
It probably was a short acting hypnotic like liquid dormicium administered via IV along with a painkiller if the anaesthetist was feeling generous. You still get the same old whatevercaine local anaesthetics on site in the mouth when you are " under" or "in twilight sleep" All dormicum does is interfere with the short term memory so you have no recall. You are asleep yet awake. Some people remember nothing and others recall certain moments in the operation. If the anesthetic injection held a milky white fluid lit was most likely propofol aka milk of magnesia or A Michael Jackson. Don't know if Propofol is available here-but I'm sure it is.
Yeah they injected a big vial of white stuff into my arm.
GhostSixFour
05-05-2010, 07:54 AM
Yeah they injected a big vial of white stuff into my arm.
I don't want my dentist injecting any type of white stuff into me. I don't care whether he calls it an "injection" I know a penis when I see one.
I don't want my dentist injecting any type of white stuff into me. I don't care whether he calls it an "injection" I know a penis when I see one.
Celine
05-05-2010, 12:54 PM
ok let me give you all a lesson in this concious sedation nonsense. it is a load of bull dang ok. i had it done at the casualty because i had a huge abscess under my armpit and my doctor was on leave at the time and the locum in his place didn't have the authority to cut it.
so off i go to casualty and these MF's assure me that it's all ok. i say give me a local in the area and THAT will be ok. so they start by injecting pethadine bit by bit. then they give dormicum. well i swear the first drop of that dormicum i was lights out. but that's not all, my husband was with me and he said that they lifted my arm and they just CUT!!!!! and there i was still talking/ screaming to them to give me morphine. obviously i don't remember this but they tell him, oh she won't remember it. to hell with this concious sedation rubbish, you are aware subconciously. i spoke to my doctor afterwards and he told me you are aware sub conciously and it's not nice to hear people screaming in pain and that is what actually happens, unless it's done in a quite surroundings of the theater.
so if i was given that option again i will let them know under no circumstances my feelings about this issue.
bastids!!!!!!
so off i go to casualty and these MF's assure me that it's all ok. i say give me a local in the area and THAT will be ok. so they start by injecting pethadine bit by bit. then they give dormicum. well i swear the first drop of that dormicum i was lights out. but that's not all, my husband was with me and he said that they lifted my arm and they just CUT!!!!! and there i was still talking/ screaming to them to give me morphine. obviously i don't remember this but they tell him, oh she won't remember it. to hell with this concious sedation rubbish, you are aware subconciously. i spoke to my doctor afterwards and he told me you are aware sub conciously and it's not nice to hear people screaming in pain and that is what actually happens, unless it's done in a quite surroundings of the theater.
so if i was given that option again i will let them know under no circumstances my feelings about this issue.
bastids!!!!!!
G-Dog
07-05-2010, 04:33 PM
I've had lens implants in my eyeballs before. Pretty cool
Pooky
07-05-2010, 05:17 PM
Please tell me how they would let someone scream in pain while operating inside their mouth?
3G4me
07-05-2010, 07:58 PM
The conscious sedation isn't done with dormicum, they only use that in the hospital emergency rooms for things like cardio versions as far as I know, and you have to sleep it off for hours. I know they couldn't have used this since I woke up completely within 5 minutes of them stopping the drip. The dental procedures involve proper aneathetists (spelling?) and you get this out of body feeling. You can respond to instructions like open wide, but you generally dose through the whole thing. I had 4 one stage implants done to widen my bite (replacing 2 wisdom teeth) and it was awesome. They remove 2 wisdoms and install 4 implants (no waiting to install one socket, then the screw, then the next thingy) but all at once, and a month later they tighten the screw and do the crown. They inject you to stop any pain as per normal dentist procedure but only once the anasthetic has kicked in, so even that is minimal. I can recall certain sounds and sleepiness, but woke up within 5 minutes of them stopping the drip.
The healing afterward is the most uncomfortable, but the procedure is really not a big deal anymore. Especially with the new technology of one stage implants... beats the old 3 stage ones! Bring on that sedation, why must we suffer? That's my experience anyway.
A guy by the name of Doug Beere in Durban did mine, he is a leader in his field and gets tons of patients from Europe, including bone graft patients... He also lectures on the subject worldwide. I can really recommend him.
The healing afterward is the most uncomfortable, but the procedure is really not a big deal anymore. Especially with the new technology of one stage implants... beats the old 3 stage ones! Bring on that sedation, why must we suffer? That's my experience anyway.
A guy by the name of Doug Beere in Durban did mine, he is a leader in his field and gets tons of patients from Europe, including bone graft patients... He also lectures on the subject worldwide. I can really recommend him.
Hosehead
07-05-2010, 09:42 PM
The conscious sedation isn't done with dormicum, they only use that in the hospital emergency rooms for things like cardio versions as far as I know, and you have to sleep it off for hours. .
Balls
They also use it in day surgeries for things like liposuction and beast augmentations. Lipo -because the surgeon needs to tell lardarse to turn over.
Balls
They also use it in day surgeries for things like liposuction and beast augmentations. Lipo -because the surgeon needs to tell lardarse to turn over.
Celine
08-05-2010, 11:13 PM
Balls
They also use it in day surgeries for things like liposuction and beast augmentations. Lipo -because the surgeon needs to tell lardarse to turn over.
exactly, i asked them what they were injecting into the intavenous drip. it was pethadine and dormicum. some people *rolls eyes*.
They also use it in day surgeries for things like liposuction and beast augmentations. Lipo -because the surgeon needs to tell lardarse to turn over.
exactly, i asked them what they were injecting into the intavenous drip. it was pethadine and dormicum. some people *rolls eyes*.
EchoZA
10-05-2010, 02:23 PM
A guy by the name of Doug Beere in Durban did mine, he is a leader in his field and gets tons of patients from Europe, including bone graft patients... He also lectures on the subject worldwide. I can really recommend him.
He did my wife's maxilo facial op as well (also under concious sedation) he is very good. Here's a great article on one of his procedures, http://www.iol.co.za/general/news/newsprint.php?art_id=vn20080606061822779C848272&sf=
He did my wife's maxilo facial op as well (also under concious sedation) he is very good. Here's a great article on one of his procedures, http://www.iol.co.za/general/news/newsprint.php?art_id=vn20080606061822779C848272&sf=