Yet another camera thread: Good Buy, 40D?

[xrapidx]

To all the camera guys, is this a good price? Canon 40D 2x IS lenses 2x 4Gb memory kit (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7487453/Canon_40D_2x_IS_lenses_2x_4Gb_memory_kit.html)

I'm donating my old Panasonic FZ20 to my brother, and need a new camera. Would the above be a good buy... taking into account lense quality most importantly.

[bwana]

I'd be surprised if that 18-55mm lens (as shown) is the IS version and overall the glass is pretty slow.

Otherwise it's pretty good for SA pricing but not for international.

EDIT - Then again I've never been able to justify to my satisfaction why the 40D should be more than twice the price of the 400D with so little between the two (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos40d%2Ccanon_eos400d&show=all).

My philosophy from day 1 was to get a good camera body and concentrate on better glass that I can take with me. But then I've always had budgetary constraints - a wife and two kids saw to that. :)

[twiga]

The differences between the two do however justify the price tag IMHO.

Live view, more fps, and a semi sealed body...

[xrapidx]

My main concern is the glass in this case, I know the actual camera is good.

The 40D feels better in my hands, and more solid than the 400D

[bwana]

My main concern is the glass in this case, I know the actual camera is good.

The 40D feels better in my hands, and more solid than the 400Dwell if it was me . . . but it aint so what sort of photography interests you?

[xrapidx]

well if it was me . . . but it aint so what sort of photography interests you?

Nothing special. I just want a decent camera that'll last about 5 -years, and I can take the lenses with to the new camera afterwards. I usually use it for wildlife (from a distance), landscape...and the general family photos....

My main concern is quality of the lenses, I can get the same camera with the non-IS lens for 10k.

[bwana]

The camera will be a dinosaur in 5 years (relatively speaking - I really think Sigma is on to something with those new sensors of theirs as is casio with that high speed jobby of theirs) - not to say it wont be taking good shots still.

If you're mind is set on the 40D I'd look for a body only and get better glass. (perhaps the Canon Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-GREY/Canon_0344B002_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html) would be a great place to start)

[Frankie]

There's negligible IQ difference between the 400D and the 40D.
I prefer the user interface and the FPS on the 40D - I use it for surfing and Moto-X.

I have the 30D and would not consider upgrading from this to the 40D, but I enjoyed the upgrade from the 350D to 30D.

[Frankie]

If you're mind is set on the 40D I'd look for a body only and get better glass. (perhaps the Canon Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-GREY/Canon_0344B002_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html) would be a great place to start)

I agree with that approach, but don't you think 105mm is a bit short for "wild life from a distance" ?
I used my 70-200 for a recent game trip and found it a bit short - heavy crops were the order of the day.

GREY - this means B&H imported directly which means the warranty is with them and not Canon int. which would be OK is you were in the US. It may be better to go for the non-GREY with B&H if you're not in the US.

[bwana]

I agree with that approach, but don't you think 105mm is a bit short for "wild life from a distance" ?
I used my 70-200 for a recent game trip and found it a bit short - heavy crops were the order of the day.

GREY - this means B&H imported directly which means the warranty is with them and not Canon int. which would be OK is you were in the US. It may be better to go for the non-GREY with B&H if you're not in the US.I was just using the grey model for illustrative purposes. BTW - Would a US grey lens or non-grey lens make any difference at all here in SA?

Which 70-200 do you have? the Canon f4/l? I'm thinking a 2x extender might be in order for my next purchase.

[ldmelsa]

overall the glass is pretty slow

It's not slow. It's got IS.
Price, bwana. The quality of the optics on both lenses is great. You just don't get better value for money Canon lenses.

[ldmelsa]

To all the camera guys, is this a good price? Canon 40D 2x IS lenses 2x 4Gb memory kit (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7487453/Canon_40D_2x_IS_lenses_2x_4Gb_memory_kit.html)

I'm donating my old Panasonic FZ20 to my brother, and need a new camera. Would the above be a good buy... taking into account lense quality most importantly.

The Canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6 EF USM IS is quite simply the best telephoto for the money. I have actually tested this lens and can tell you that it is sharp throughout the entire range. I love this lens! Get it now. Don't get the L series lens, without the IS, over this lens. That's a mistake a lot of people make. IS is the bomb for telephoto.

[bwana]

It's not slow. It's got IS.
Price, bwana. The quality of the optics on both lenses is great. You just don't get better value for money Canon lenses.IS doesnt mean much if you're shooting something that moves . . . oh for say the wildlife he's interested in taking photos of for example. ;)

[Wynsam]

I am with Bwana on this one. Get better glass, a good f4 or even still f2.8 lens over a better body any day. Why not go a 30D second hand in good nick or 400D new and get a 300f2.8 second hand. The body you change in 5 years anyway, you even said so. The lens will be with you for 25 years.

[ldmelsa]

Guys, you can switch the IS off. ;)
Price/performance = Canon 70-300mm IS USM
Do you guys not want IS? Get the IS one. You can switch it off. :p


And please don't recommend an f2.8 over an f4 just because it's faster. The price difference is not justified.

[bwana]

Guys, you can switch the IS off. ;)
Price/performance = Canon 70-300mm IS USM
Do you guys not want IS? Get the IS one. You can switch it off. :pYes - I'm sure you can switch it off but can you make that 5.6 faster too while you're at it? :D

And no - while I dont have anything against IS per se - given the choice I would prefer a faster lens any day because I'm not overly concerned with camera motion but object motion.

And please don't recommend an f2.8 over an f4 just because it's faster. The price difference is not justified.Doesnt that depend on what you shoot?

[ldmelsa]

IS doesnt mean much if you're shooting something that moves . . . oh for say the wildlife he's interested in taking photos of for example. ;)

So he should not have it for other things just because he's going to shoot wildlife? He can switch it off. The lens in the kit he wants comes with IS. That's a good thing. Not a bad thing. It would've been bad if you could not switch it off, yes?

[bwana]

So he should not have it for other things just because he's going to shoot wildlife? He can switch it off. The lens in the kit he wants comes with IS. That's a good thing. Not a bad thing. It would've been bad if you could not switch it off, yes?In my albeit limited experience with wildlife some of the best times for viewing was early morning/evening around the watering hole etc.

Now granted I wasnt into photography back then (which after trips to the likes of the Masai Mara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masai_Mara) and the Ngorongoro Crater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngorongoro) I'm kicking myself now) I'm only imagining that a faster lens would be better than a slower one (even with IS switched off).

[ldmelsa]

Doesnt that depend on what you shoot?

Yes, sure. For example, I think the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS USM is very nice for model shoots. Horses for courses.

[ldmelsa]

300mm at f/5.6 looks like this:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2422220872_ef5a06d577_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ldmelsa/2422220872/sizes/o/)
The cat's nose is not even in focus. Only the eyes.
The light was dim. That's why I used f/5.6


200mm at f/2.8
Click for 100% crop.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2093/2441354182_b7beaaaaee_m.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2395/2441355018_5fc9bf6fdb_o.jpg)
Only the right eye is in focus.


But with a wider shot you can get it all in focus at f/2.8
200mm at f/2.8
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2440525549_fc61219e02_m.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2440525549_418a381162_o.jpg)


So you don't have much depth of field at big f-stops on telephotos.
At 300mm, I've found that I mostly use between f/8 to f/16.

[bwana]

Nice examples of aperture and DoF but was it intended for this thread? :confused:

[ldmelsa]

Nice examples of aperture and DoF but was it intended for this thread? :confused:

I'm trying to show how shallow f/2.8 at 200mm is. Even f/5.6 at 300mm (first pic).

[koffiejunkie]

If you're mind is set on the 40D I'd look for a body only and get better glass. (perhaps the Canon Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-GREY/Canon_0344B002_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html) would be a great place to start)

I have this combo. If you have the budget, you won't be sorry. One of the nice things about the 40D is you can set so many things without taking your eye off the viewfinder and without moving your hands. Shutter, ISO, aperture, metering and a few more things are all within thumb and forefinger reach. I'm not comparing to the 400D (because I don't know it well) - just stating what it's like on the 40D.

BUT: You said you want good glass. But the glass and buy a body with what's left. If it's an old-stock 350D you still won't be sorry.

The 24-105 f/4L is also about as good as it gets in that range. It's so sharp your eyes will hurt. It's f/4 right through. It focusses quickly and absolutely quietly. You can manual focus without switching the lens to MF. Seamless macro mode (i.e. no switch for it). I find it perfect for a walk-around lens. 24mm is not as wide as the kit lens, but it's still wider than 50mm on a traditional film camera. And if you one day decide to get a full frame body, it'll fit nicely.


There's negligible IQ difference between the 400D and the 40D.

I'll dare say there's no difference. Except maybe in the way it bakes jpegs.


You just don't get better value for money Canon lenses.

Ever looked at Pentax? ;)


And please don't recommend an f2.8 over an f4 just because it's faster. The price difference is not justified.

I agree that the price difference is extortionate, really, it cannot cost that much more to produce an aperture diaphragm that can open a few mm further. That said, if Canon announced a 24-105 f/2.8L USM today for £1500, I'd lay my money down...

[koffiejunkie]

The differences between the two do however justify the price tag IMHO.

Live view, more fps, and a semi sealed body...

The biggest difference for me, after the size and shape, is the viewfinder. Stick your eye in it and you'll see. It's bigger, clearer, brighter.

[arf9999]

300mm at f/5.6 looks like this:

The cat's nose is not even in focus. Only the eyes.
The light was dim. That's why I used f/5.6


200mm at f/2.8
Click for 100% crop.

Only the right eye is in focus.


But with a wider shot you can get it all in focus at f/2.8
200mm at f/2.8


So you don't have much depth of field at big f-stops on telephotos.
At 300mm, I've found that I mostly use between f/8 to f/16.
Are these shots digital or film? Don't forget that DoF is influenced by the image sensor size. 35mm film size (full frame) will have far shallower DoF than an APS-C size at the same focal length.

[Frankie]

I was just using the grey model for illustrative purposes. BTW - Would a US grey lens or non-grey lens make any difference at all here in SA?


I'm not sure. You'd need to check with B&H regarding the int warranty on each item. I've heard that the lens's enjoy international warranty, but not bodies.



Which 70-200 do you have? the Canon f4/l? I'm thinking a 2x extender might be in order for my next purchase.
I have the f2.8 IS
I have a 2X TC , and would not recommend going more than a 1.4X TC.


My kit:
EOS 350D + Kit 18-55 lens (wife's)
EOS 30D, EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM,
EF 70-200 f2.8 L IS USM, EF 28 f1.8 USM,
Kenko 2X TC, 580EX

Next purchase will be the 10-22 towards the end of the year when I'll be working in the US.

[bwana]

I have the f2.8 IS
I have a 2X TC , and would not recommend going more than a 1.4X TC.I know the 2x means a big reduction in aperture and no auto focus on my 70-200 but I only want it for whale watching from the house and some lunar photography so I can probably live with it.

I can always get the 1.4x later too :)

[koffiejunkie]

EF 70-200 f2.8 L IS USM

How is this lens?

[bwana]

A grip is always an option for the larger handed among us :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2249/2442831286_1087a120cd.jpg?v=0

[Frankie]

How is this lens?

The 70-200 F2.8 IS is legendary.

I really don't understand the talk on here about the need to switch off IS - I leave IS on at all times, even when on a tripod as they are smart enough to know when it's needed.

This lens has given me loads of keepers when photographing my boys surfing and doing Moto-X.
It also makes a stellar portrait lens.

The 17-55 is the one that lives on my 30D - this lens is superb for natural light indoors etc. The wide aperture and electronic tripod is great.

[Frankie]

A grip is always an option for the larger handed among us :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2249/2442831286_1087a120cd.jpg?v=0

It's not the size that counts, but the slowwwww hand.

How's that song go ........

[koffiejunkie]

I'm still half asleep - I meant to ask how this one is:


EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM

I gave it a long hard look when I was shopping for my first one but ended up taking the 24-105L since the price difference is rather small.

[bwana]

The 17-55 is the one that lives on my 30D - this lens is superb for natural light indoors etc. The wide aperture and electronic tripod is great.I like the look of the EOS 30D, EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM but for one thing EF-S and I really want a full frame next.
The 70-200 F2.8 IS is legendary.If only I'd had the money - even for the non-IS version . . blaady kids and their always wanting clothes . . . and food! :) I'll live with the f/4 . . for now. :)
It's not the size that counts, but the slowwwww hand.

How's that song go ........Its the battery life that counts too :D The side controls are awesome . . . when I remember to use them :o

[Frankie]

I'm still half asleep - I meant to ask how this one is:



I gave it a long hard look when I was shopping for my first one but ended up taking the 24-105L since the price difference is rather small.

I would find 24 a bit narrow for indoors.

The 17-55 is also amazing - it has the IQ of an "L" lens, but not the build quality.
It really reduces the need for a tripod.

The only negative I see is the dust (some never get it) and the price, but get past that and it's awesome.

Mine got dust in which I cleared myself and since then I use a UV filter which stops the dust getting past the front circular sticker.
The dust had no impact on IQ.
I take the UV off for shots I suspect may be influenced by it, but haven't had the dust again.

[Frankie]

I like the look of the EOS 30D, EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM but for one thing EF-S and I really want a full frame next.If only I'd had the money - even for the non-IS version . . blaady kids and their always wanting clothes . . . and food! :) I'll live with the f/4 . . for now. :)Its the battery life that counts too :D The side controls are awesome . . . when I remember to use them :o

I've decided to stick with the crops for now - I may be tempted to pass the 30D onto the wife, and go for the 40D - I doubt if I'll she'll buy into that seeing as she really likes the 350D with the 28 1.8 attached.

You've got to wait for the kids to get out the house and buying their own luxuries like food and clothes.

[bwana]

I've decided to stick with the crops for now - I may be tempted to pass the 30D onto the wife, and go for the 40D - I doubt if I'll she'll buy into that seeing as she really likes the 350D with the 28 1.8 attached.

You've got to wait for the kids to get out the house and buying their own luxuries like food and clothes.Like I mentioned earlier - going from the 400D to the 40D makes no sense for me <had to stress that ;).

Next logical step up for me would therefore be full frame. I'll still be able to use the EF-S lenses I have on one of the two 400Ds I currently have (have to have a spare camera after all) but for new purchases I'd like to be able to use the lens on both types.

[ldmelsa]

Ever looked at Pentax? ;)
Yeah, but we were talking about Canon lenses. Are the Pentax lenses good value for money? I like their cameras. They have built in IS in the body. That's kinda cool. Maybe my next digital will be a Pentax. Maybe the K200D, yes? Then I can use my Pentax lenses with it.

But then again, I already have a digital camera. Still works (got it in 2003):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/2398786990_b23e644a98_m.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/2436813706_010d11b8b3_m.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2224/2428886464_957d714ede_m.jpg
These are my custom vivid parameter camera settings.


Are these shots digital or film? Don't forget that DoF is influenced by the image sensor size. 35mm film size (full frame) will have far shallower DoF than an APS-C size at the same focal length.
Those are Canon 5D


How is this lens?

****ing awesome!!! :D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2440525549_fc61219e02_m.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2440525549_418a381162_o.jpg)
Look how sharp it is at 200mm f/2.8! (that's a 1 to 1 crop) That's really sharp!

May I also add, ****ing heavy! :D

[bwana]

These are my custom vivid parameter camera settings.You prefer doing it on the camera?

[ldmelsa]

You prefer doing it on the camera?

Yes, because I shoot a lot on jpeg. When I switch it to raw then those setting don't kick in, so it does not matter.

[bwana]

I think mine are still on the default settings - it was only last night that I figured out how to actually disable the button :o

Do you mind sharing the settings you use?

[ldmelsa]

I think mine are still on the default settings - it was only last night that I figured out how to actually disable the button :o

huh? disable?
the 400d must work differently to mine

btw - lol at xti on your camera (American code for the American guy :D)
400D for us :D

[bwana]

huh? disable?
the 400d must work differently to mineIts the custom function settings (300D users can get similar functionality via this firmware hack (http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/digital_rebel_firmware_hack.html) - YMMV!) I changed mine to playback as it was the only option that didnt change camera settings.


btw - lol at xti on your camera (American code for the American guy :D)
400D for us :DYeah - got one of each - if I got a third it would have to be an Asian version (http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/kissdx/) to complete the set. :)

[ldmelsa]

Do you mind sharing the settings you use?

the 300d does not work the same way as the 400d so yours with all it's new stuff should work better than mine (lots more custom settings)

sRGB (of course)
contrast: -2
sharpness: -2
saturation: +2
color tone: 0
I shoot everything in "program mode"
I usually under-expose by, up to, a stop (digital clips highlights)
For WB I use "flash" or "cloudy" when in daylight - I like the tones of "flash".
Then I take it to Photoshop and use the "Match Color" tool (click on "Neutralize" and move the "Fade" slider) to get the WB the way I want it.
After that, I sometimes bring out some shadow detail with the "Shadow/Highlight tool. (use a big radius otherwise you get funny halos)
After that, just use "Levels" to get your levels right.
As a final step, I sometimes have to desaturate it a little. (too much colour from my stuffing around :D)

[ldmelsa]

Its the custom function settings (300D users can get similar functionality via this firmware hack (http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/digital_rebel_firmware_hack.html) - YMMV!) I changed mine to playback as it was the only option that didnt change camera settings.

I tried that once! :D I set it back to factory defaults.

Yeah - got one of each - if I got a third it would have to be an Asian version (http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/kissdx/) to complete the set. :)

haha :p

PS. I'm going to the shop. I'll be back.

[bwana]

haha :pLearnt a nasty lesson about Canon support in PE when I broke my screen - repairs can take a loooonnnnnnggggg time. iirc it was more than 6 weeks!

[koffiejunkie]

Yeah, but we were talking about Canon lenses. Are the Pentax lenses good value for money?

I was really just throwing that in there for kicks :D but yeah, they generally are. This of course differs from lens to lens, and at least one of the Pentax branded lenses is a badge-engineered Tamron (the 18-250 I think). On the high end their Limited lenses compare well to Canon's L glass, but is much smaller and lighter, and comes in at less than half the price in some cases. Their kit lens is dirt cheap, much better build quality than the Canon 18-55, and is pretty sharp.


I like their cameras. They have built in IS in the body. That's kinda cool. Maybe my next digital will be a Pentax. Maybe the K200D, yes? Then I can use my Pentax lenses with it.

The K100D Super I'm playing with continues to make me wonder if buying the 40D was a mistake. It does somethings, important things, better. It's metering is way more accurate especially in mixed light. It's fill flash gives better exposure. It's AF is more accurate, although much slower. Even though I spend maybe 5% of my time shooting with it, I have a much better keeper rate than on the 40D.

[bwana]

The K100D Super I'm playing with continues to make me wonder if buying the 40D was a mistake. It does somethings, important things, better. It's metering is way more accurate especially in mixed light. It's fill flash gives better exposure. It's AF is more accurate, although much slower. Even though I spend maybe 5% of my time shooting with it, I have a much better keeper rate than on the 40D.If you have to wonder then it probably was.

Feel free to send me some of that nice canon glass you have when you're ready. I'll let you have my Kent address to make it even easier :D

[ldmelsa]

Their kit lens is dirt cheap, much better build quality than the Canon 18-55, and is pretty sharp.

Yes, I've heard that lens is excellent.


It's metering is way more accurate especially in mixed light. It's fill flash gives better exposure.

Interesting.

___________________________________

I just went to the shop now, and saw the beautiful light (late in the day).
And here I am, on a forum, talking about photography. :D


_

[koffiejunkie]

If you have to wonder then it probably was.

Maybe :) It's not like the 40D is bad or anything - it's one hell of a nice camera. One learns to adapt to it's kinks...


Feel free to send me some of that nice canon glass you have when you're ready. I'll let you have my Kent address to make it even easier :D

You should be so lucky :o

[bwana]

You should be so lucky :oYou cant blame me for trying. :D
The K100D Super I'm playing with continues to make me wonder if buying the 40D was a mistake. It does somethings, important things, better. It's metering is way more accurate especially in mixed light. It's fill flash gives better exposure. It's AF is more accurate, although much slower. Even though I spend maybe 5% of my time shooting with it, I have a much better keeper rate than on the 40D.By fill flash are you referring to the built in flash? I always keep a strip of masking tape on the bottom of my cameras just in case I'm ever forced to actually use it. It does a great job of diffusing it which is useful if you're using it as fill. I also use the popup to trigger my sigma flash if I'm using it remotely.

[koffiejunkie]

By fill flash are you referring to the built in flash? I always keep a strip of masking tape on the bottom of my cameras just in case I'm ever forced to actually use it. It does a great job of diffusing it which is useful if you're using it as fill. I also use the popup to trigger my sigma flash if I'm using it remotely.

Yes. Popup with the camera in Av mode, but it's apparent in M mode too - the 40D seems to always underexpose. But it's not a lot, like I said, you learn to compensate for it. It's fixable in RAW too.

[bwana]

Yes. Popup with the camera in Av mode, but it's apparent in M mode too - the 40D seems to always underexpose. But it's not a lot, like I said, you learn to compensate for it. It's fixable in RAW too.Have you tried playing with the Flash Exposure Compensation?

[koffiejunkie]

Yip, pushing it up half a stop gives me good results. But that's not really the point of my post. I'm just amused that the lowly £230 entry-level camera does some things better than a much more expensive, semi-pro camera.

Don't get me wrong, I *love* my 40D. It takes good pictures, and I discover new things about it all the time. I don't see myself upgrading any time soon, unless they bring out something with much better low light performance.

[bwana]

Yip, pushing it up half a stop gives me good results. But that's not really the point of my post. I'm just amused that the lowly £230 entry-level camera does some things better than a much more expensive, semi-pro camera.

Don't get me wrong, I *love* my 40D. It takes good pictures, and I discover new things about it all the time. I don't see myself upgrading any time soon, unless they bring out something with much better low light performance.Have you thought about sending it in to canon to have the meter tested and if necessary re-calibrated?

I think Canon is going to have to answer the gauntlet Nikon has thrown down wrt low light performance - hopefully sooner rather than later.

[koffiejunkie]

Have you thought about sending it in to canon to have the meter tested and if necessary re-calibrated?

The mere thought of parting with it makes me want to cry - but yes, I have considered it. For now I think I'll keep shooting until I really know it well enough to know if it's really a problem or not.


I think Canon is going to have to answer the gauntlet Nikon has thrown down wrt low light performance - hopefully sooner rather than later.

I hope they do. If the 5D's replacement is as good as, or better than the D3 in that respect, I might just find myself upgrading sooner than I expected :D

[koffiejunkie]

xrapidx, so what have you decided? Are you taking it? Something else you might consider:

DigitalRev (http://www.digitalrev.com) always have bargains on their eBay store (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/DigitalRev-Photography-Shop_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm). EOS 40D Body + 18-55mm IS Kit for £579.99 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-EOS-40D-18-55mm-IS-Kit-2GB-Bat-6Gifts-AB0T_W0QQitemZ130216461149QQihZ003QQcategoryZ31388 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) (R8744.50 at today's rate). Or even better, if you want to look at different lenses, you can get the 40D body only for £499.99 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-EOS-40D-Body-Only-Battery-6-Gifts-ABUT_W0QQitemZ310043616001QQihZ021QQcategoryZ31388 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) (R7538.34)

I bought mine this way, and wouldn't hesitate to buy my next one from them again if they have a good deal. When I got mine, they also included customs etc in the price, so I didn't have to bother with it. It's worth asking them about it.

[bwana]

The mere thought of parting with it makes me want to cry - but yes, I have considered it. For now I think I'll keep shooting until I really know it well enough to know if it's really a problem or not.Does parting with it involve sending it to canon or a third party?

xrapidx, so what have you decided? Are you taking it? Something else you might consider:

DigitalRev (http://www.digitalrev.com) always have bargains on their eBay store (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/DigitalRev-Photography-Shop_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm). EOS 40D Body + 18-55mm IS Kit for £579.99 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-EOS-40D-18-55mm-IS-Kit-2GB-Bat-6Gifts-AB0T_W0QQitemZ130216461149QQihZ003QQcategoryZ31388 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) (R8744.50 at today's rate). Or even better, if you want to look at different lenses, you can get the 40D body only for £499.99 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-EOS-40D-Body-Only-Battery-6-Gifts-ABUT_W0QQitemZ310043616001QQihZ021QQcategoryZ31388 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem) (R7538.34)

I bought mine this way, and wouldn't hesitate to buy my next one from them again if they have a good deal. When I got mine, they also included customs etc in the price, so I didn't have to bother with it. It's worth asking them about it.Unless DigitalRev has a similar business set up in SA I doubt it will be as attractive. He might as well look at US pricing.

[koffiejunkie]

Does parting with it involve sending it to canon or a third party?

No idea, I'll have to find out. Warranty is in the box under my bed :)


Unless DigitalRev has a similar business set up in SA I doubt it will be as attractive. He might as well look at US pricing.

True, I just quoted the UK pricing because that's what the site defaults too for me (cookies, I guess). That 's why I mentioned he should ask.

[ldmelsa]

sRGB (of course)
contrast: -2
sharpness: -2
saturation: +2
color tone: 0
I shoot everything in "program mode"
I usually under-expose by, up to, a stop (digital clips highlights)
For WB I use "flash" or "cloudy" when in daylight - I like the tones of "flash".
Then I take it to Photoshop and use the "Match Color" tool (click on "Neutralize" and move the "Fade" slider) to get the WB the way I want it.
After that, I sometimes bring out some shadow detail with the "Shadow/Highlight tool. (use a big radius otherwise you get funny halos)
After that, just use "Levels" to get your levels right.
As a final step, I sometimes have to desaturate it a little. (too much colour from my stuffing around :D)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2445795358_7ac3244c6a_o.jpg

[bwana]

Thanks ldmelsa - I've programmed your settings into one of the user defined sets so I'll see how it goes. I can always slip into RAW+JPG mode.

[koffiejunkie]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2445795358_7ac3244c6a_o.jpg

The *new* *improved* OMO! :D

[ldmelsa]

Thanks ldmelsa - I've programmed your settings into one of the user defined sets so I'll see how it goes. I can always slip into RAW+JPG mode.

lol - I'm no authority on camera profiles. I just do this for space reasons.
I'm sure you and I will get better results shooting raw. I just like to stuff around with settings. I use jpg normal, not fine. That way I save even more space. I get 1000 shot on my 2GB card that way.


The *new* *improved* OMO! :D

haha
funny man
I should have seen it coming! :p

[xrapidx]

Ok... lots of office reading tomorrow.

Hows this (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/item/Item.jsp?Trade_TradeId=7540405) for a good buy, D450 @ R8,000. And yes, I probably know its not a good lens, but it leaves me with change for a decent lens.

[bwana]

Ok... lots of office reading tomorrow.

Hows this (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/item/Item.jsp?Trade_TradeId=7540405) for a good buy, D450 @ R8,000. And yes, I probably know its not a good lens, but it leaves me with change for a decent lens.Closed 28 Apr 18:30

[xrapidx]

Relisted already :)

so...good buy? Apparently its local stock and brand new?

[bwana]

Relisted already :)

so...good buy? Apparently its local stock and brand new?Recently released but looking back. . .
The 40D feels better in my hands, and more solid than the 400DThe 450D isnt going to feel much different than the 400D that you didnt want . . . several shops have the 450D - I'd at least see how they feel first.

[xrapidx]

Going to go do that tomorrow... but I like the idea of the grip... I think that might solve my feel problem..

You recon the price is good though?

[bwana]

Going to go do that tomorrow... but I like the idea of the grip... I think that might solve my feel problem..

You recon the price is good though?Price seems pretty fair for SA - is the grip available in SA yet?

[xrapidx]

Not sure - I'd have to find out.

But I dont mind waiting a bit... I just need to get a camera ASAP, considering mine goes to my brother tomorrow.... is the 450D weather sealed?

[bwana]

Not sure - I'd have to find out.

But I dont mind waiting a bit... I just need to get a camera ASAP, considering mine goes to my brother tomorrow.... is the 450D weather sealed?Being that it is in the same category as the 300D/350D/400D I doubt it.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos450d/

[xrapidx]

Can't remember if the 40D... I'm going to have to do some home work at the office.

My other option was a Nikon D80...

[koffiejunkie]

Hows this (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/item/Item.jsp?Trade_TradeId=7540405) for a good buy, D450 @ R8,000. And yes, I probably know its not a good lens, but it leaves me with change for a decent lens.

That's not a bad lens at all, especially not for that kind of money. 70mm is just somewhat narrow on a crop - you're going to need to add something to it. Here (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7521102/Canon_EOS_450D_Kiss_X2_Rebel_XSi_with_EF_S_18_55mm _IS_kit_black.html) is another one in that range.


is the 450D weather sealed?

[snip]

Can't remember if the 40D...

The 450D isn't, the 40D is. It's not 100% water proof. Especially around the buttons it is vulnerable. If you want water proof, get this (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=26270825) one or this (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=23134169&page=1) one.

Another interesting read (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/aa-07-worked.shtml) - this bit is especially sad (about a trip to Antartica):


One person was shooting film, with a Mamiya 7 II, but since his luggage was lost on the way to Argentina he only had 3 rolls of film for the entire trip.

[ldmelsa]

that's why you must always take your digital
eish!

[xrapidx]

Here (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7521102/Canon_EOS_450D_Kiss_X2_Rebel_XSi_with_EF_S_18_55mm _IS_kit_black.html) is another one in that range.


I saw that one... the only problem is the guy has no ratings and is in Hong Kong. BoB unfortunately doesn't offer the same protection as eBay.

[Wynsam]

I saw that one... the only problem is the guy has no ratings and is in Hong Kong. BoB unfortunately doesn't offer the same protection as eBay.

Dont do it.

[xrapidx]

The thing I like about the 450D I mentioned on BoB is that it comes with a local warranty.

[koffiejunkie]

I saw that one... the only problem is the guy has no ratings and is in Hong Kong. BoB unfortunately doesn't offer the same protection as eBay.

Ooh, that's bad.

[xrapidx]

Ooh, that's bad.

Here's a good one: http://www.gumtree.co.za/capetown/65/21609465.html




Canon 450D with 17-55mm lens and 70-300mm lens,still in the box
A huge saving on a new one.
call 0833868822
ps.All internet fraudsters,I will NOT accept EFT's or any other form of bank transfers.
This is a legit CASH deal
Thank you



Wonder if its used.......or....how used :p

[koffiejunkie]

Here's a good one: http://www.gumtree.co.za/capetown/65/21609465.html

Oooh, now you have no ratings to look at :) But at least, assuming you're in CT, you can go have a look and kick his arse if he tries to BS you :p

[xrapidx]

Oooh, now you have no ratings to look at :) But at least, assuming you're in CT, you can go have a look and kick his arse if he tries to BS you :p

Yup... thats the point.... I don't mind doing a cash deal... face to face...

I can also get his number plate, etc....

[koffiejunkie]

Yup... thats the point.... I don't mind doing a cash deal... face to face...

I can also get his number plate, etc....

LOL, that's a good idea. Do some proper spying on him before you go.

[xrapidx]

LOL, that's a good idea. Do some proper spying on him before you go.

Lol... I meant if he dissappears after selling me a dud.

Do these camera's have service menu's listing amount of photo's taken, etc?

[bwana]

Lol... I meant if he dissappears after selling me a dud.

Do these camera's have service menu's listing amount of photo's taken, etc?Nope.

[xrapidx]

Damn... any tips if I go for the one on BoB? (things to check for to confirm its local stock, new, etc)

I don't think there will be any problems though, If you check the responses, they've sold a few camera's... including the 40D for just under 10k (lens included)... maybe I should wait for one of those.

[koffiejunkie]

Damn... any tips if I go for the one on BoB? (things to check for to confirm its local stock, new, etc)

The one I linked or the one you linked? The one I linked won't be local stock.


I don't think there will be any problems though, If you check the responses, they've sold a few camera's... including the 40D for just under 10k (lens included)... maybe I should wait for one of those.

Sounds too good to be true.

[xrapidx]

The one I linked or the one you linked? The one I linked won't be local stock.



Sounds too good to be true.

The one I linked for 8K... I can then get a decent lens. The person has 100% rating, and sells various things, including he odd camera.

Here's the link (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7456709/Canon_40D_Digital_SLR_Professional_Package_with_28 _135mm_IS_USM_Lens_Unbelievable_Condition.html)to the 40D... although she actually bought it, my bad.

[koffiejunkie]

Well, there's a Q&A section so you can always ask.

[xrapidx]

Well, there's a Q&A section so you can always ask.

I have been... check below the ad... quick responses also.

[bwana]

The one I linked for 8K... I can then get a decent lens. The person has 100% rating, and sells various things, including he odd camera.

Here's the link (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7456709/Canon_40D_Digital_SLR_Professional_Package_with_28 _135mm_IS_USM_Lens_Unbelievable_Condition.html)to the 40D... although she actually bought it, my bad.That link was to a second hand 40D.

[xrapidx]

That link was to a second hand 40D.

I thought it was one she sold, but she actually bought it...

[xrapidx]

Will I get by with the Sigma 70-300 macro lens in the meantime?

I can use my Ixus for anything wider in the meantime, not?

[bwana]

Will I get by with the Sigma 70-300 macro lens in the meantime?

I can use my Ixus for anything wider in the meantime, not?Make sure you get the 50mm f/1.8 while you're shopping - you wont regret it.

Not sure about the 70-300 (is that the one koffiejunkie has?). I've got the 28-300mm macro and love it (even if it is in for repairs).

[xrapidx]

Make sure you get the 50mm f/1.8 while you're shopping - you wont regret it.

Not sure about the 70-300 (is that the one koffiejunkie has?). I've got the 28-300mm macro and love it (even if it is in for repairs).

the 70-300 is the one that the camera comes with, the 450D for R8,000 (http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7562272/CANON_450D_PLUS_SIGMA_70_300_MACRO_LENS_NEW.html).

Its the Sigma 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG MACRO Lens

[ldmelsa]

Make sure you get the 50mm f/1.8 while you're shopping - you wont regret it.

nice for those lowlight situations :)

[xrapidx]

Hmm... I'm busy looking for reviews on the lens.

Excuse my n00bness... but what does the F4-5.6 mean? Cause when I check the reviews it says Minimum Aperture F22 ?

[bullfrog]

Hmm... I'm busy looking for reviews on the lens.

Excuse my n00bness... but what does the F4-5.6 mean? Cause when I check the reviews it says Minimum Aperture F22 ?

F4-5.6 means max aperture. It's basically the widest that the lens can open, 4 being at its wide end and 5.6 fully zoomed in.

[xrapidx]

I always get aperture confused.... when we talking open we're talking about the hole that lets the light in (basic terms)? So the 4 would be at 70mm, and the 5.6 at 300mm?

But the minimum aperture of F22 is throughout 70-300mm?

Last question... the 'lower' the apature, e.g. F4, the more the 'entire' image will be in focus, and the higher. F22, the more specific the focus will be, i.e. background blur'd out?

[bullfrog]

Yea I believe F22 throughout the whole zoom range.

F22 aperture closed more and more in focus. Least light comes in at F22 as the hole is smallest. I would need an illustration to explain why more is in focus at smallest opening.

F4 least in focus, F22 most in focus.

So if you want a really blurred back you would use a lower F value. Lower F value means the hole is open bigger, or higher aperture. It's really confusing at first I know...cause higher in minimum and and lower is maximum.

F4 - open most - maximum (as in the hole is open to max)
F22 - open least - minimum (as in the hole is closed to as small as it can go)

Hope that helps a little to remember things.

[bwana]

A nice primer on aperture (http://www.pixelcorps.tv/twip006) and depth of field.

And if you dont already subscribe to TWIP (http://twipphoto.com/) maybe you should :D

[koffiejunkie]

Will I get by with the Sigma 70-300 macro lens in the meantime?

If you stand far enough :) No seriously - unless you're looking to shoot wide landscapes, you can make 70mm work.


Not sure about the 70-300 (is that the one koffiejunkie has?).

It's the 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG MACRO (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3304&navigator=3). Mine is the 70-300mm F4-5.6 APO DG MACRO (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3303&navigator=3) - the only difference is the APO glass which according to their website is a "special low dispersion" glass. From their own graphs there doesn't seem to be much difference though.


Hmm... I'm busy looking for reviews on the lens.

I didn't find many. Take care when you find something, this is not the "Macro Super Reviews" The Super is the one the APO replaces.


Excuse my n00bness... but what does the F4-5.6 mean? Cause when I check the reviews it says Minimum Aperture F22 ?

It should read "f/4-5.6" or "f/22" - ratio of focal length to effective aperture diameter. Read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture). To add to the confusion - a lower number is considered "fast" while a higher number is considered "slow."


I always get aperture confused.... when we talking open we're talking about the hole that lets the light in (basic terms)? So the 4 would be at 70mm, and the 5.6 at 300mm?

But the minimum aperture of F22 is throughout 70-300mm?

Correct.


Last question... the 'lower' the apature, e.g. F4, the more the 'entire' image will be in focus, and the higher. F22, the more specific the focus will be, i.e. background blur'd out?

No, the other way around. At f/22 more will be in focus. At f/1.2 you'll have a hard time getting all of someone's face in focus at the same time.

If you want to see how this works, find a fairly dark room with a window. The window needs to face a white (or very light coloured) wall on the inside. Take a large magnifying glass, hold it parallel to the wall directly opposite the window. Usually between 15 and 30 cm away from teh wall, maybe closer. You'll see it will make an up-side-down image of the window on the wall. Move the magnifying glass back and forth until the picture is in focus. Cool, eh? Now, cut a circle in a sheet of cardboard or paper, with a radius about 20% less than the magnifying glass. This translates into roughly 33% of the surface size of the magnifying glass (if I remember highschool maths correctly). Now hold it in front of the magnifying glass. You'll notice two things (again, if memory serves correctly - I haven't tried this in 20 years):

1. The image will be the same size - it is determined by the curve of the glass, not the size.

2. The image will be much much less bright. About 33% less, in fact. That's how aperture works.


And if you dont already subscribe to TWIP (http://twipphoto.com/) maybe you should :D

+1 on that!

[xrapidx]

Thanks for the response...more reading for tomorrow at work :p

I see Carol (BoB) responded again, she can get the 18-55mm lens for an extra R700, don't think thats a bad deal.

[bwana]

Thanks for the response...more reading for tomorrow at work :p

I see Carol (BoB) responded again, she can get the 18-55mm lens for an extra R700, don't think thats a bad deal.Which 18-55mm and is that as well as the sigma?

[arf9999]

I'd make sure I bought a lens that at least covers the critical (for me) wide area 35-50mm. i.e. in Canon digital terms that means 21mm - 32mm.

A 70mm minimum (i.e. 112mm) is going to have you walking backwards a lot!

My personal opinion is to rather save a bit on the body and spend more on the lenses ( 400D is available at great prices right now, and lenses will influence your picture more than the additional features that the 40D offers. Also Canon's Live View implementation is a bit clumsy IMO - it doesn't seem to have much real benefit unless you're shooting still life or landscapes). I suggest something like the 18-55 IS plus a medium to long zoom 70-300 if you need IS, or alternatively you could sacrifice IS and buy a one-off lens like the Tamron 18-250. I've used the Sony version of this lens (badge engineered - Pentax and Sony supply a badged version) and it is awesome as a single lens solution.

[bwana]

I'd make sure I bought a lens that at least covers the critical (for me) wide area 35-50mm. i.e. in Canon digital terms that means 21mm - 32mm.

A 70mm minimum (i.e. 112mm) is going to have you walking backwards a lot!

My personal opinion is to rather save a bit on the body and spend more on the lenses ( 400D is available at great prices right now, and lenses will influence your picture more than the additional features that the 40D offers. Also Canon's Live View implementation is a bit clumsy IMO - it doesn't seem to have much real benefit unless you're shooting still life or landscapes). I suggest something like the 18-55 IS plus a medium to long zoom 70-300 if you need IS, or alternatively you could sacrifice IS and buy a one-off lens like the Tamron 18-250. I've used the Sony version of this lens (badge engineered - Pentax and Sony supply a badged version) and it is awesome as a single lens solution.Even the 400D with the kit lens is going pretty cheap these days and despite what some people say that lens isnt all bad - esp for starting out. I still regularly use mine.

Get the grip if you're worried about the 400D being too small - at least you'll never run out of batteries :D.

[xrapidx]

Which 18-55mm and is that as well as the sigma?

The canon...

[bwana]

The canon...They do more than one. :)

[xrapidx]

They do more than one. :)

I think its the one that comes with 400D... she said its the non IS one.

[bwana]

I think its the one that comes with 400D... she said its the non IS one.And it costs more than the Sigma? :confused:

[xrapidx]

And it costs more than the Sigma? :confused:

R700? Thats cheap isn't it? :confused:

[bwana]

R700? Thats cheap isn't it? :confused:It depends - you only half answered an earlier qn of mine
Which 18-55mm and is that as well as the sigma?Are you going to be getting both lenses for that r700 or just the 18-55?

[xrapidx]

Oh...yes, R700 extra for both lenses...

[xrapidx]

Dammit... been messing around the whole day and didn't see the thing was sold last night :eek:

Well... maybe I'll get the Makro one.

[bwana]

Which Makro one?

[xrapidx]

Thought they had a special... but I see its actually R10,999 at Makro... guess I'll have to wait.

[koffiejunkie]

xrapidx - the suspense is killing me. Did you get it?

After everything we've said, I'll say this: the 40D is still one hell of a nice camera. The issues I mentioned are down to personal taste, really.

[BigAl-sa]

Here are a couple of really nice specials on the previous generation cameras. Speak to that site's owner too if you're set on a 40d.

http://www.outdoorphoto.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=9427

[koffiejunkie]

The 30D is a pretty nice deal.

[xrapidx]

xrapidx - the suspense is killing me. Did you get it?


Nope...the 450D was sold the night before :p

So still set on a 40D... I went away this weekend, so haven't done anything since.

[xrapidx]

Here are a couple of really nice specials on the previous generation cameras. Speak to that site's owner too if you're set on a 40d.

http://www.outdoorphoto.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=9427

Thanks... I'll have a look.

[xrapidx]

Ok... looks like I'll need one sooner, my Ixus 55 died after the weekend, at least it had good timing. E18... Apparently quite common.

[bwana]

The canon...the 18-55 kit lens isnt all that bad . . .

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2408/2468527742_9e780371ca.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/2468527742/meta/)

[xrapidx]

Well, that sucks... I took the Ixus 55 to pieces... don't think its ever going to be whole again.

[bwana]

No luck with any of these? http://www.e18error.com/repair.html

[koffiejunkie]

:eek: How did it die?

[xrapidx]

No luck with any of these? http://www.e18error.com/repair.html

Nope...thats the exact site I used, step five links to "Taking it apart" page... I got that right, except its still broken, I think the actual gears are stripped, probably from the other steps saying you must push the lens in gently.


:eek: How did it die?

Not sure, used it the whole weekend, then last night I was copying the photo's off, and afterwards turned it back on to check the battery and it started giving that error.

Was a really nice camera - I think I need two now, an SLR and a small Ixus, I can't always cart a SLR around with me.

[bwana]

Was a really nice camera - I think I need two now, an SLR and a small Ixus, I can't always cart a SLR around with me.I'm probably going to offload my 400D to a friend and get a G9 to carry around.

[xrapidx]

I'm probably going to offload my 400D to a friend and get a G9 to carry around.

I've looked at the G series before, I ended up getting the Panasonic FZ20 because it was about R2000 cheaper back then.

The G-series is a bit to big though as a carry around camera.... The Ixus is perfect because its so small, I always have it on me... or used to anyways.

[bwana]

I've looked at the G series before, I ended up getting the Panasonic FZ20 because it was about R2000 cheaper back then.

The G-series is a bit to big though as a carry around camera.... The Ixus is perfect because its so small, I always have it on me... or used to anyways.the G9 is much flatter than the older models and can easily fit in my pants pocket.

[xrapidx]

the G9 is much flatter than the older models and can easily fit in my pants pocket.

I'll have a look at it... I wonder if I can claim from insurance for my Ixus dying... probably not considering the amount of pieces its in.

[mercurial]

Ok I'm a total noob when it comes to these SLR's, but I saw a 400D the other day and it was like R19000. WTF :eek: Is that the best one on the market? Why is it so damn expensive? Is the quality really that good?

[bwana]

Ok I'm a total noob when it comes to these SLR's, but I saw a 400D the other day and it was like R19000. WTF :eek: Is that the best one on the market? Why is it so damn expensive? Is the quality really that good?Maybe you saw a 40D? The 400D retails for much much less these days. (About r8k with printer, memory card and assorted software)

[mercurial]

Maybe you saw a 40D? The 400D retails for much much less these days. (About r8k with printer, memory card and assorted software)

Yes, you're right. It was the 40D I saw. It's available at Makro (http://www.makro.co.za/ProductDetail.aspx?cat=6326&prod=39488&SKU=000000000000130594|EA).

What's the difference between the two?

[bwana]

Yes, you're right. It was the 40D I saw. It's available at Makro (http://www.makro.co.za/ProductDetail.aspx?cat=6326&prod=39488&SKU=000000000000130594|EA).

What's the difference between the two?IMO not enough to warrant the r12k price difference - esp for an amateur like me. :)

EDIT - Side by side (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos400d%2Ccanon_eos40d&show=all)

[mercurial]

IMO not enough to warrant the r12k price difference - esp for an amateur like me. :)

EDIT - Side by side (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos400d%2Ccanon_eos40d&show=all)

Thanks, I'll have a look :)

[bwana]

Thanks, I'll have a look :)Of course it's just my opinion but I'd rather spend the money on better glass than a better body especially if I was just starting out. Look after a lens and it will last decades.

[mercurial]

Of course it's just my opinion but I'd rather spend the money on better glass than a better body especially if I was just starting out. Look after a lens and it will last decades.

Yeah, but it costs R10000 more. That's a lot of money. Is this the camera that professionals use or are the other, better models?

[bwana]

Yeah, but it costs R10000 more. That's a lot of money. Is this the camera that professionals use or are the other, better models?The 40D is high grade consumer model. Most pro's that I've come across shooting canon seem to have the full frame 1D or 5D models.

I'm not saying the 40D isnt a better camera than the 400D - I'm just not worthy of it ;)

[mercurial]

The 40D is high grade consumer model. Most pro's that I've come across shooting canon seem to have the full frame 1D or 5D models.

I'm not saying the 40D isnt a better camera than the 400D - I'm just not worthy of it ;)

:eek: I don't even want to imagine how much those cost :o

[bwana]

:eek: I don't even want to imagine how much those cost :ohttp://www.sacamera.co.za/product/351/Canon-Top-Range-DSLRs.html . . . and keep in mind a pro will have more than one.

You also have to understand that local prices are astronomical - you could probably fly to the states and save money buying them there.

[mercurial]

http://www.sacamera.co.za/product/351/Canon-Top-Range-DSLRs.html . . . and keep in mind a pro will have more than one.

You also have to understand that local prices are astronomical - you could probably fly to the states and save money buying them there.

:eek: That's a lot of money. You could buy a professional video camera for those prices.

[ldmelsa]

http://www.sacamera.co.za/product/351/Canon-Top-Range-DSLRs.html . . . and keep in mind a pro will have more than one.

You also have to understand that local prices are astronomical - you could probably fly to the states and save money buying them there.

Those prices are crazy. The 1DsMKIII has great performance at ISO3200 and 1DMKIII has 10fps. If you really need that, well, sucks to be you! $$$$$ :D

[ldmelsa]

:eek: That's a lot of money. You could buy a professional video camera for those prices.

Entry level pro. :(:D

[mercurial]

Entry level pro. :(:D

Lol indeed.

[xrapidx]

Those prices are crazy. The 1DsMKIII has great performance at ISO3200 and 1DMKIII has 10fps. If you really need that, well, sucks to be you! $$$$$ :D

Maybe I should just get one of those.... then I don't need to stress over the 450D and the 40D :p

[bwana]

Those prices are crazy. The 1DsMKIII has great performance at ISO3200 and 1DMKIII has 10fps. If you really need that, well, sucks to be you! $$$$$ :DI only wish :D

Like I said though - local prices are horrible.

[koffiejunkie]

I'm not saying the 40D isnt a better camera than the 400D

It isn't better. Not as far as the pictures it takes go, imho. It's just easier to use.

[mercurial]

It isn't better. Not as far as the pictures it takes go, imho. It's just easier to use.

So you're saying the convenience costs R10000 :eek:

[koffiejunkie]

So you're saying the convenience costs R10000 :eek:

In S.A., apparently. :eek: Over here the difference is much smaller.

There are more differences between the cameras - build quality, weather/dust sealing, more features - see the link bwana posted.

But I don't think it takes better pictures. It has the same sensor. bwana takes better pictures with his 400D than I take with my 40D ;)

[mercurial]

In S.A., apparently. :eek: Over here the difference is much smaller.

There are more differences between the cameras - build quality, weather/dust sealing, more features - see the link bwana posted.

But I don't think it takes better pictures. It has the same sensor. bwana takes better pictures with his 400D than I take with my 40D ;)

You have a 40D :eek:
Kudos to you mate ;)

[ldmelsa]

bwana takes better pictures with his 400D than I take with my 40D ;)

I have been lying to to guys all along. I'm sorry that I wasn't truthful. Okay, I'll just come out and say it. I used a pinhole camera for all my Flickr pics. :o

[bwana]

But I don't think it takes better pictures. It has the same sensor. bwana takes better pictures with his 400D than I take with my 40D ;)Thanks . . . but I think I just have more experience with photoshop :o

I have been lying to to guys all along. I'm sorry that I wasn't truthful. Okay, I'll just come out and say it. I used a pinhole camera for all my Flickr pics. :oyou could always turn that 300D into a pinhole :D http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/Canon_1ds_pinhole.html

[koffiejunkie]

I have been lying to to guys all along. I'm sorry that I wasn't truthful. Okay, I'll just come out and say it. I used a pinhole camera for all my Flickr pics. :o

Respect! :D

[ldmelsa]

you could always turn that 300D into a pinhole :D http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/Canon_1ds_pinhole.html

:eek: That's... weird.


Respect! :D

Now you're talking.

[koffiejunkie]

you could always turn that 300D into a pinhole :D http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/Canon_1ds_pinhole.html

I love how the toilet rolls are painted black with the red ring at the front :D

[ldmelsa]

I love how the toilet rolls are painted black with the red ring at the front :D

LOL @ L series red line! :D

[koffiejunkie]

Maybe he could license it to Canon?

[xrapidx]

Back to camera shopping...

Would this be a good buy? I'm sure on the lenses... its a new Nikon D80
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7719427/ON_SPECIAL_Nikon_D80_3_Lens_1Gb_KIT_3_Year_warrant y.html

I have played around with the camera body and stock lens at the camero show in melborne last year.

[BigAl-sa]

Back to camera shopping...

Would this be a good buy? I'm sure on the lenses... its a new Nikon D80
http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/7719427/ON_SPECIAL_Nikon_D80_3_Lens_1Gb_KIT_3_Year_warrant y.html

I have played around with the camera body and stock lens at the camero show in melborne last year.Just be aware that the Nikon lenses are, on the whole, more expensive than the Canon equivalent.

For instance:
Nikon 17-55 F2.8 R18399
Canon 17-55 F2.8 R13797

[xrapidx]

Thanks... no one else have comments on the camera?

[bwana]

Thanks... no one else have comments on the camera?Doubt there are many [-]pentax[/-] Nikon users monitoring this canon thread - perhaps you might be better off starting a new one if you're really intent on selling you soul :P

[xrapidx]

Hmm... I'll see if I can dig up an old one... sure I made one already.

[bwana]

Hmm... I'll see if I can dig up an old one... sure I made one already.iirc there is a D80 thread floating around - I think it was the one that ldmelsa went well off the reservation with some nonsense that mp is irrelevant (:p)

[xrapidx]

iirc there is a D80 thread floating around - I think it was the one that ldmelsa went well off the reservation with some nonsense that mp is irrelevant (:p)


Found it: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=112923&page=2

[koffiejunkie]

Thanks... no one else have comments on the camera?Doubt there are many pentax users monitoring this canon thread - perhaps you might be better off starting a new one if you're really intent on selling you soul :P

Which camera?

[bwana]

Which camera?The aforementioned Nikon D80

[koffiejunkie]

Why are you mentioning Pentax users then? Mistake?

[bwana]

Why are you mentioning Pentax users then? Mistake?Yep - it happens. . . fixed it now though.