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30-09-2003, 10:17 AM
Sent: 30 September 2003 09:45 AM
To: Philippa Davis
Subject: Re: Re Telkom
Thank you for your e-mail.
We will investigate this further with regard to our Q3 2003 updates. Meanwhile, if you have any additional information you can share with us regarding ADSL in South Africa we would delighted to hear more from you, and incorporate it into our future analysis.
<hr noshade size="1">Yowser!!!
This was in response to this email....
<hr noshade size="1">Please see http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/features/adsl/feature030324-4.asp?O=S&CiRestriction=steven%20white for an example of the arrogance of our South African telecoms provider.
The general public do not require re-educating on what information we are entitled to as citizens of the world!
PLEASE could you do an in depth analysis of the SA ADSL implementation so that the lid is blown off our situation once and for all.
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So, how about we compile a report of the most pertinent items and send it off? We have to back up statements so no sweeping generalisations (like I am famous for).
30-09-2003, 10:30 AM
And my response...
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Thank you so much for your reply – we have a user forum you might want to keep an eye on. It’s made up of concerned ADSL users and is fast becoming a thorn in Telkom’s side. http://www.myadsl.co.za We have been quoted in a number of recent ezine articles but need a louder voice to get the truth regarding Telkom’s practices out into the industry. As users we can shout and scream till we are blue in the chops but really, Telkom aren’t going to respond in any meaningful way until there is some corporate ego poking. We cannot afford your last industry analysis and really the global stats are irrelevant – we are desperate to see the Telkom submission for saturation, costs, uptake and so on for ADSL that they submitted to you…do you think you could let us have those stats please?
Thanks so much for your support. We will most definitely be submitting pertinent data to you in the coming days. I have restricted knowledge of your email address to just me so you won’t be swamped with the vociferous outpourings of our 500+ members directly [:)]
With thanks and regards
30-09-2003, 11:26 AM
Way to go Peapod!
30-09-2003, 12:19 PM
Mr. White of Telkom says :"<i><font color="blue">South Africans pay a tax living in SA; we are very far away from where most of the content is [in North America]," he says. "We need to tell people that there is often content in SA that can replace what they are getting overseas."</i></font id="blue">
The man is away with the fairies
Please Mr. White could you provide some examples [:D]
Peapod : You are the <b>Lady</b>
30-09-2003, 12:33 PM
Great Work Peapod!!!
30-09-2003, 12:43 PM
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Peapod : You are the man
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PS. Peapod is a <b>lady</b> of pure moral fibre
30-09-2003, 01:25 PM
Here is the information Point-Topic holds for Telkom.
I am sure we can add truth to this profile?
Please see the declared revenue (emboldened) at the end. If telkom cannot affors to purchase more international bandwidth given these figures, who's being robbed?
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Telkom is the incumbent telecommunications operator in South Africa and it was a state-owned company till May 1997.
On 28 Aug 2002, the operator launched a commercial trial of ADSL in the Gauteng province of South Africa. It had planned to offer ADSL services in Western Cape, KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and Free State by March 2003.
Telkom DSL services ADSL access
Date updated 21 Jul 2003
Sources [E10451] [E10452] [E10453] [E10454] [E10455] [E16276] [E16277] [E16278] [E16279] [E18356] [E18357] [E18358] [E18359] [E18360] [E18361]
Telkom ADSL access rollout and subscribers
Type of project Public service Target market Business and Residential
Areas covered Rollout date Possible users
Gauteng (commercial trial) 28 Aug 2002
Western Cape, KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and Free State By March 2003
Bloemfontein, Kimberley, Potchefstroom and Welkom 30 May 2003
Projected 40% market coverage Date 31 Mar 2003
Telkom ADSL access services and tariffs
Grades of service
Name Upstream Downstream Features
ADSL access – Residential 256 Kbps 512 Kbps 3 GB / month usage cap (a)
ADSL access – Business 256 Kbps 512 Kbps 3 GB / month usage cap (a)
Telkom Internet powered by ADSL (ProLog) 256 Kbps 512 Kbps Dynamic IP address; 2 email accounts with 5 addresses each; 5 MB web space; 3 GB / month usage cap (a)
Telkom Internet powered by ADSL (ProLog Plus) 256 Kbps 512 Kbps Dynamic IP address; 4 email accounts with 5 addresses each; 10 MB web space; 3 GB / month usage cap (a)
DSL standards ADSL
Notes (a) Volume cap introduced from 1 Nov 2002. After 3 GB usage in a month, the user is transferred over a different international link for the remainder of the month
Telkom ADSL access tariffs and charges
Tariffs In South African Rand (US$ 1 = 8.06 ZAR) (exchange rate correct on 3 Jun 2003)
Grade of service Installation Equipment Rental per month Others (d)
ADSL access – Residential 404 2,469 (Ethernet modem); 2,067 (USB modem) (c) 680 (b)
ADSL access – Business 404 2,469 (Ethernet modem); 2,067 (USB modem) (c) 800 (b)
Telkom Internet powered by ADSL (ProLog) 219
Telkom Internet powered by ADSL (ProLog Plus) 239
Tariff notes (b) Additional monthly rental for normal telephone line
(c) Modem prices include a surge protection unit. There is an option to stagger payment for the modem over a period of six months. Customers may also purchase their own modem from an external supplier
(d) Domain name registration for 399
ISP status Prices do not include Internet Service Provider (ISP) charges.
Tax status Prices include Value-added Tax (VAT).
Telkom ADSL access marketing and partnerships
Modems Telkom offers Alcatel Speed Touch Home and Speed Touch USB modems, Marconi AR800AM ADSL router, AR800AP Annex A USB POTS and AR800AP Annex B USB ISDN modems to its DSL customers.
Other equipment Telkom ordered Access Hub DSLAM and ServiceOn Access network management system from Marconi. The deal, announced by Telkom in September 2002, was the operator’s first DSL equipment order.
ISPs Telkom has agreements with a number of ISPs throughout South Africa.
Past developments Telkom announced in July 2000 that it was conducting a trial for offering DSL services. In October 2000, the operator tendered for DSL line testing equipment.
Operator profile Telkom is the incumbent telecommunications operator in South Africa and it was a wholly state-owned company till May 1997.
The South African government is carrying out privatisation in a phased manner. It sold a 30% equity stake in Telkom to Thintana Communications (a consortium of SBC International and Telekom Malaysia). On 31 Mar 2003, the operator was owned by the Government of South Africa (39.3%), Thintana Communications (30%) and Icingo Investments (3%).
<b>The operating revenues for the year ended March 2002 were 34.0 billion ZAR. The revenues had increased from 31.5 billion ZAR for the year ended March 2001. The revenues increased to 37.6 billion ZAR for the year ended 31 Mar 2003.</b>
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The analyst at Point-Topic has asked if we can supply actual saturation/takeup figures and more definitive statistics. Clearly Telkom play hard arsed with international industry statistics too. Nice to know their arrogance is universal.
30-09-2003, 04:43 PM
From SBC (Telkom's partners) themselves :
<font color="blue"><i>"One reason we've defined 1.5 Mbits as a sweet spot for residential broadband is that once you go beyond that speed, it gets enormously expensive to deploy." </i></font id="blue">
Read : http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011127S0066