Neotel, we want cheap local bandwidth, plus newsserver

[Zyzzyva]

I think this thread title says it all.

Your packages are simply no good without the ability to download large files cheaply. Your 10 gig package may be good value for money when it comes to international, but telkom users have come to expect cheap local bandwidth for their large file needs.

With sat3 pricing limiting your ability to offer us large caps, the logical thing would then be to offer us these files via a local system.

We hate telkom, and want to love you, but u will have to do better.

Obviously, when seacom comes, then we will expect large international caps, but until then you need to create an alternative.

[Pilgrim]

I think this thread title says it all.

Your packages are simply no good without the ability to download large files cheaply. Your 10 gig package may be good value for money when it comes to international, but telkom users have come to expect cheap local bandwidth for their large file needs.

With sat3 pricing limiting your ability to offer us large caps, the logical thing would then be to offer us these files via a local system.

We hate telkom, and want to love you, but u will have to do better.

Obviously, when seacom comes, then we will expect large international caps, but until then you need to create an alternative.

I find it strange that they cannot offer cheap or even free local bandwidth. They keep saying bandwidth is an expensive resource then they turn around and boast about their gigabits per second backbone links.

Local traffic does not go over the Sat3 cable so why does it need to be expensive?

One reason: Because they can!

[ColinR]

One reason: Because they can!

QFT

[7eviathan]

Europe, USA and other have bandwidth usage is unlimited but why South Africa does not allow to have it?

[The_Librarian]

Europe, USA and other have bandwidth usage is unlimited but why South Africa does not allow to have it?

Ask the fat cats who wants more money.

[bwana]

I think this thread title says it all.

Your packages are simply no good without the ability to download large files cheaply. Your 10 gig package may be good value for money when it comes to international, but telkom users have come to expect cheap local bandwidth for their large file needs.

With sat3 pricing limiting your ability to offer us large caps, the logical thing would then be to offer us these files via a local system.

We hate telkom, and want to love you, but u will have to do better.

Obviously, when seacom comes, then we will expect large international caps, but until then you need to create an alternative.Why would you think this? There are plenty of countries with SAT3 access who have cheaper internet than we do.

Correct me if I am wrong but NeoTel has been given access to the cable (http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/1988.html) and tbh they have access to an even bigger piece of the pipe than telkom.

So what I want is an end to this local is lekker mindset - at least when it comes to bandwidth.

As for news servers - I've got an easynews account and just for once would love to actually be able to use a full months allotment so give me international . . . . please.

[Zyzzyva]

Why would you think this? There are plenty of countries with SAT3 access who have cheaper internet than we do.

Correct me if I am wrong but NeoTel has been given access to the cable (http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/1988.html) and tbh they have access to an even bigger piece of the pipe than telkom.

So what I want is an end to this local is lekker mindset - at least when it comes to bandwidth.

As for news servers - I've got an easynews account and just for once would love to actually be able to use a full months allotment so give me international . . . . please.

Fair enough.

But i think you know what i mean when i say there is a limit to how cheap they can go under current sat3 conditions. Most of us would use 50 gigs plus a month. I cant see us getting that.

The simple fact is that for the next twelve month i simply will not be able to support neotel, if the total combined cap is around 10 gigs. That simply isnt enough.

The only way i scan switch from telkom to neotel is if i they offered me atleast 20 to 30 gigs a month. The only way i see us getting that is through local bandwidth.

But on a side note, what caps are being offered by other african countires who are connected only via sat3. If you can show me an instance of a cap higher than neotel is offering, well then neotel needs to increase their offering.

[matrixweb]

Fair enough.

But i think you know what i mean when i say there is a limit to how cheap they can go under current sat3 conditions. Most of us would use 50 gigs plus a month. I cant see us getting that.

The simple fact is that for the next twelve month i simply will not be able to support neotel, if the total combined cap is around 10 gigs. That simply isnt enough.

The only way i scan switch from telkom to neotel is if i they offered me atleast 20 to 30 gigs a month. The only way i see us getting that is through local bandwidth.

But on a side note, what caps are being offered by other african countires who are connected only via sat3. If you can show me an instance of a cap higher than neotel is offering, well then neotel needs to increase their offering.

they going to give uncapped solutions

[eye_suc]

they going to give uncapped solutions
when the cows come home? and at what price?

i cannot afford an arm and a leg since i already sold a kidney to get Telkom ADSL, and i would like to enjoy my health while i still can

[Moederloos]

when the cows come home? and at what price?

i cannot afford an arm and a leg since i already sold a kidney to get Telkom ADSL, and i would like to enjoy my health while i still can

uncapped, static ip and no stupid "may not run a server" clause, all for around R500 may be worth a go.

[matrixweb]

when the cows come home? and at what price?

i cannot afford an arm and a leg since i already sold a kidney to get Telkom ADSL, and i would like to enjoy my health while i still can



uncapped, static ip and no stupid "may not run a server" clause, all for around R500 may be worth a go.


no offense i get ur points but if you'll are so unhappy then stick with telkom , they already offer a uncapped but its slow , maybe later on they will give a faster uncapped but its not like u getting it cheaper anywhere else in S.A , overseas they were the wealthy countries so they got better stuff etc , and they dont have 1 provider , thats the difference!

[Moederloos]

no offense i get ur points but if you'll are so unhappy then stick with telkom , they already offer a uncapped but its slow , maybe later on they will give a faster uncapped but its not like u getting it cheaper anywhere else in S.A , overseas they were the wealthy countries so they got better stuff etc , and they dont have 1 provider , thats the difference!

?

So complaining about one "competitor" means we lose our rights to use them or complain?

[eye_suc]

uncapped, static ip and no stupid "may not run a server" clause, all for around R500 may be worth a go.
well for that i might just have to give an arm and a leg!

but yeah, hell will freeze over...

[matrixweb]

?

So complaining about one "competitor" means we lose our rights to use them or complain?

no its not that , u finally get a telkom competitor and u still not happy , if neotel didnt come then u would be stuck would the same telkom packages and i dont think it would be decreasing in price , anyway think about that

[HavocXphere]

I agree. Free local would be a great way of making some waves.

The uncapped 156kbps sounds interesting, but atm we just don't have enough info to judge.

And so the waiting continues.

[RichardG]

Agreed free local - would be great to get market share ;)

[ave]

the cell phone market has shown us that introducing more competition has a marginal effect on pricing- if any of you are expecting major price cuts, then think again.... they not going to enter into a price war- thats why we need something like infraco to come in and drastically drop prices, telkom will follow suit, infraco will fold due to governments absolute incompetence, and we left exactly where we are with cheaper prices- you see i have it all figured out...

[Ekhaatvensters]

Agreed free local - would be great to get market share ;)

Actually I think very few people really care about free local, most of the ones that do are on MyADSL.

If you don't want to download all the time from the newsserver or game then local has quite limited uses.

One reason I can think of that they wouldn't allow cheap local is simply that with their wireless offerings you don't want hundreds of users jumping on just to download all day with local on the cheapest package, which is what everyone here would do. For ADSL it's maybe not such a problem over copper?

[TMouse]

I have to point out though that us "High Usage" users are a minority
at the moment. The majority of SME's and home users fall quite
comfortably inside a 3GB Cap. Most of these users only really care
about browsing speed and not that much about total cap. The reason
being is that most of these users only really use the net for banking, research,
e-mail etc. They want this to be fast, but aren't about to go downloading
the latest season of scrubs.

So I ask the question why would any ISP want to help bring internet to High Usage
users like ourselves when for a nominal fee they can supply perfectly appropriate
business internet access to SMEs. I mean a couple of years ago we were struggling
on dial up and 64k diginet and the majority of business had to internet. Now most small
businesses and home users have an always on reasonably cost effective service.

And I'll point out that generally speaking if you are using more than 3Gigs per month
as an individual you are most probably downloading illegal content anyway.

Also most of the ISP work out their pricing as on an average usage and don't expect
your line to be maxed out 24/7.

So in short if it's between supplying internet for general use to the majority of the public
versus letting the minority spend all day leeching pirate content, I'm not totally surprised
that service providers prefer the former.

[PeterCH]

And I'll point out that generally speaking if you are using more than 3Gigs per month
as an individual you are most probably downloading illegal content anyway.



I disagree. First of all it's not the ISP's business whether you are
downloading Copyrighted material or not. That's up to the
copyright holders, IF THEY CARE, to keep it off
the web/usenet/torrents/other p2p/IRC.

Secondly if a supplier advertises UNCAPPED, they should be
prepared for uncapped use of that product. I know
they are advertising UNCAPPED or HIGH CAP products
but at the same time they are saying "But we didn't say you
could actually use that much bandwidth."

Getting back to legal vs illegal, its very easy to go through
3GB just by browsing. Most sites out there are huge,
load graphics, banners, music and video. Most programs
running on your computer also load updates constantly,
running McAfee, BitDefender and Kaspersky on 3 different
PCs will waste 10MB per day at least on updates.
Then there is the Firewall, SpyBot and Windows Update,
not to mention other application updates for
MS Office, Open Office, FireFox, PhotoShop etc.
While my Mac, QT, Final Cut Studio 2 suite and plugins,
require about 300MB per month in updates too.

At the end you spend at least 1GB per month on updates
alone. Then there are program upgrades and demos you
can download, and trialware/shareware.

The web is full of multimedia. 3GB would be ok
if we were living in 1995 but we're living in 2008
where 300KB websites are common. Even this website
chews bandwidth, compared to SlashDot, MyBBB chews
about 10x.

You've also conveniently forgotten millions of people
with digital still and video cameras, especially
now that HDV is becoming popular. Even using
highly compressible codecs like H.264 AVC,
you're still getting 700MB for an hour of
home video and 4-5Megapixel images are
huge, you just need to send a few before
your cap is used up (and both traffic up
and down count).

[chubster]

Using mirror.ac.za, I'm probably exceeding 3GB easily, open source is not "cheap" on bandwidth. :confused: Then comes YouTube, video.google, facebook, e-mail with video clips in Gmail.... Not even mentioning open office.

The point of local access is for users that do have work, where their company allows them to connect with a virtual private network (VPN) to their office's network. From there they can browse international... Well actually doing some work too of course :p

Cheaper for the business to say, go work at your home, you don't need to come in. It saves on travel expenses, because buying local bandwidth should be cheaper than paying for fuel.