web
15-05-2008, 02:35 PM
It has been fun but I prefer Mandriva or Suse.
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Pooky
15-05-2008, 02:39 PM
Why do you prefer them?
TiredOfWaiting
15-05-2008, 02:43 PM
It has been fun but I prefer Mandriva or Suse.
Amen!
It may be the rubbish package management system, the text-based default bootloader or the awful brown/orange default color scheme, but I just couldn't stomach that flavour anymore either.
Switched over to OpenSUSE 10.3 and I've never looked back. It's just much more polished and it feels like somebody actually put some effort into it. :p
Amen!
It may be the rubbish package management system, the text-based default bootloader or the awful brown/orange default color scheme, but I just couldn't stomach that flavour anymore either.
Switched over to OpenSUSE 10.3 and I've never looked back. It's just much more polished and it feels like somebody actually put some effort into it. :p
web
15-05-2008, 02:43 PM
Just do, have used both for years maybe thats why know my way around them and how they do things. To me they just look better, I find kubuntu simple"and plain, but hey Pooks that just me nothing wrong with it
Pooky
15-05-2008, 02:47 PM
Is there any way to have ubuntu, and try the other distro's, without losing ubuntu?
The_Librarian
15-05-2008, 02:47 PM
Switched over to OpenSUSE 10.3 and I've never looked back. It's just much more polished and it feels like somebody actually put some effort into it. :p
Another opensuse 10.3 fan here :D
Another opensuse 10.3 fan here :D
TiredOfWaiting
15-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Is there any way to have ubuntu, and try the other distro's, without losing ubuntu?
Just install the new distro on a seperate partition. It will overwrite the old bootloader and it should pick up Ubuntu and add it to the list of OS's that you can choose from.
Just install the new distro on a seperate partition. It will overwrite the old bootloader and it should pick up Ubuntu and add it to the list of OS's that you can choose from.
Kasyx
15-05-2008, 02:57 PM
??
KDE is KDE, Gnome is Gnome? Only real difference is the package management, and I can't stand anything that isn't based on repositories, thank you very much.
I'll stick with Gentoo :D
KDE is KDE, Gnome is Gnome? Only real difference is the package management, and I can't stand anything that isn't based on repositories, thank you very much.
I'll stick with Gentoo :D
web
15-05-2008, 02:59 PM
Its the way it handles the day to day things that I prefer.
Aqua_lung
15-05-2008, 03:12 PM
I'm also considering switching...
Which distro do you recommend for a Macbook? Hardy has been giving me far to many problems with wifi. (broadcom chipset)
Which distro do you recommend for a Macbook? Hardy has been giving me far to many problems with wifi. (broadcom chipset)
TiredOfWaiting
15-05-2008, 03:37 PM
I'm also considering switching...
Which distro do you recommend for a Macbook? Hardy has been giving me far to many problems with wifi. (broadcom chipset)
Try OpenSUSE 10.3. It's free! :p
SUSE is the "artsiest" flavour of Linux I've encountered, so it should fit in well with the MacBook.
Install Compiz Fusion to add some really nice visual effects! :eek:
Which distro do you recommend for a Macbook? Hardy has been giving me far to many problems with wifi. (broadcom chipset)
Try OpenSUSE 10.3. It's free! :p
SUSE is the "artsiest" flavour of Linux I've encountered, so it should fit in well with the MacBook.
Install Compiz Fusion to add some really nice visual effects! :eek:
Aqua_lung
15-05-2008, 03:49 PM
Try OpenSUSE 10.3. It's free! :p
SUSE is the "artsiest" flavour of Linux I've encountered, so it should fit in well with the MacBook.
Install Compiz Fusion to add some really nice visual effects! :eek:
I used suse a few years back and liked it... I'll research it first ;)
SUSE is the "artsiest" flavour of Linux I've encountered, so it should fit in well with the MacBook.
Install Compiz Fusion to add some really nice visual effects! :eek:
I used suse a few years back and liked it... I'll research it first ;)
milomak
15-05-2008, 03:53 PM
I can't stand anything that isn't based on repositories, thank you very much.
when I used Suse back in 10.1 days it had repos. Has that changed?
when I used Suse back in 10.1 days it had repos. Has that changed?
Kasyx
15-05-2008, 04:17 PM
Nope, I meant *good* repositories :D
.Froot.
16-05-2008, 08:26 AM
Amen!
It may be the rubbish package management system, the text-based default bootloader or the awful brown/orange default color scheme, but I just couldn't stomach that flavour anymore either.
Switched over to OpenSUSE 10.3 and I've never looked back. It's just much more polished and it feels like somebody actually put some effort into it. :p
I did a "double install of Ubuntu and Kubuntu". I have Ubuntu with both kde and kde4 desktops also available. I generally don't use package managers (I stick to the console0, but if I do I use Synaptic when I am in Gnome(Ubuntu) or Adept in KDE, with which I am more than happy. But strangely enough, I find YAST similar to Synaptic......
It may be the rubbish package management system, the text-based default bootloader or the awful brown/orange default color scheme, but I just couldn't stomach that flavour anymore either.
Switched over to OpenSUSE 10.3 and I've never looked back. It's just much more polished and it feels like somebody actually put some effort into it. :p
I did a "double install of Ubuntu and Kubuntu". I have Ubuntu with both kde and kde4 desktops also available. I generally don't use package managers (I stick to the console0, but if I do I use Synaptic when I am in Gnome(Ubuntu) or Adept in KDE, with which I am more than happy. But strangely enough, I find YAST similar to Synaptic......
.Froot.
16-05-2008, 08:29 AM
Nope, I meant *good* repositories :D
And oh, I, along with all the other faithful Ubuntu soldiers, find our repositories to be far more superior than any other army in the whole land east or west of here. :D
No, on the serious side, Ubuntu packages are the most widely supported. Especially when it comes to local. It also is a more than just decent repository.
And oh, I, along with all the other faithful Ubuntu soldiers, find our repositories to be far more superior than any other army in the whole land east or west of here. :D
No, on the serious side, Ubuntu packages are the most widely supported. Especially when it comes to local. It also is a more than just decent repository.
TiredOfWaiting
16-05-2008, 08:39 AM
And oh, I, along with all the other faithful Ubuntu soldiers, find our repositories to be far more superior than any other army in the whole land east or west of here. :D
No, on the serious side, Ubuntu packages are the most widely supported. Especially when it comes to local. It also is a more than just decent repository.
I tend to disagree with you there. In many cases the files in the repositories are broken, unavailable or just plain borked.
I tried installing WINE in Ubuntu and it just failed miserably more than once. It goes to about 80% of the download and then just gives me some nondescript error. :eek:
And the software in those repositories are always a few versions behind the rest of the distros. In my experience anyway... :rolleyes:
No, on the serious side, Ubuntu packages are the most widely supported. Especially when it comes to local. It also is a more than just decent repository.
I tend to disagree with you there. In many cases the files in the repositories are broken, unavailable or just plain borked.
I tried installing WINE in Ubuntu and it just failed miserably more than once. It goes to about 80% of the download and then just gives me some nondescript error. :eek:
And the software in those repositories are always a few versions behind the rest of the distros. In my experience anyway... :rolleyes:
Ryder_JHB
16-05-2008, 08:54 AM
We have a couple of nice updated *buntu repo's on the jawug network... works extremely well!
Gothan
16-05-2008, 10:02 AM
I tend to disagree with you there. In many cases the files in the repositories are broken, unavailable or just plain borked.
I tried installing WINE in Ubuntu and it just failed miserably more than once. It goes to about 80% of the download and then just gives me some nondescript error. :eek:
And the software in those repositories are always a few versions behind the rest of the distros. In my experience anyway... :rolleyes:
I still dont know how you can struggle with wine through the repos. I have never ever struggled, and I just use the default repos, nothing special. But the wine in the repos is not the latest one, best to download it from the website itself.
I tried installing WINE in Ubuntu and it just failed miserably more than once. It goes to about 80% of the download and then just gives me some nondescript error. :eek:
And the software in those repositories are always a few versions behind the rest of the distros. In my experience anyway... :rolleyes:
I still dont know how you can struggle with wine through the repos. I have never ever struggled, and I just use the default repos, nothing special. But the wine in the repos is not the latest one, best to download it from the website itself.
TiredOfWaiting
16-05-2008, 10:09 AM
I still dont know how you can struggle with wine through the repos. I have never ever struggled, and I just use the default repos, nothing special. But the wine in the repos is not the latest one, best to download it from the website itself.
It's not just WINE. Apart from the vast amount of application that can't load from the repos (I've tried the local one, the main one, even some European ones), the system also can't update. :eek:
I just haven't been enjoying much luck with Ubuntu at all! :(
OpenSUSE works like a charm right out of the box, though. Not a single application install has failed yet and I'm just enjoying a much better overall experience with it. Your mileage on Ubuntu may vary, but my mind has been made up. :rolleyes:
It's not just WINE. Apart from the vast amount of application that can't load from the repos (I've tried the local one, the main one, even some European ones), the system also can't update. :eek:
I just haven't been enjoying much luck with Ubuntu at all! :(
OpenSUSE works like a charm right out of the box, though. Not a single application install has failed yet and I'm just enjoying a much better overall experience with it. Your mileage on Ubuntu may vary, but my mind has been made up. :rolleyes:
Aqua_lung
16-05-2008, 10:21 AM
That's what is great about linux, choose which distro works for you.
.Froot.
16-05-2008, 11:22 AM
I also have to disagree with TiredOfWaiting. I have not had any broken or messed installs or packages in all the years with Ubuntu. Wine worked straight out of the box. Maybe you had a messed repository mirror? Also, Ubuntu is actually right up there when it comes to the latest versions. They don't always go into ""the latest"" because those are often unsupported betas or whatever. You do have an option of using them though.
Gothan
16-05-2008, 11:37 AM
It's not just WINE. Apart from the vast amount of application that can't load from the repos (I've tried the local one, the main one, even some European ones), the system also can't update. :eek:
I just haven't been enjoying much luck with Ubuntu at all! :(
OpenSUSE works like a charm right out of the box, though. Not a single application install has failed yet and I'm just enjoying a much better overall experience with it. Your mileage on Ubuntu may vary, but my mind has been made up. :rolleyes:
I know that feeling, hwne I started on kubuntu, I had no idea what a repos even was. I would just click update, and get these pages of errors and completely screwed up my adept db.
But then I decided to do something radical....I read the howtos. And from there it has been fine. But I know what you are saying, when there is a problem in the repos, its usually a painful one
I just haven't been enjoying much luck with Ubuntu at all! :(
OpenSUSE works like a charm right out of the box, though. Not a single application install has failed yet and I'm just enjoying a much better overall experience with it. Your mileage on Ubuntu may vary, but my mind has been made up. :rolleyes:
I know that feeling, hwne I started on kubuntu, I had no idea what a repos even was. I would just click update, and get these pages of errors and completely screwed up my adept db.
But then I decided to do something radical....I read the howtos. And from there it has been fine. But I know what you are saying, when there is a problem in the repos, its usually a painful one
milomak
16-05-2008, 12:03 PM
No, on the serious side, Ubuntu packages are the most widely supported. Especially when it comes to local. It also is a more than just decent repository.
I'm not sure I understand you here. What do you mean when you say most widely supported?
I'm not sure I understand you here. What do you mean when you say most widely supported?
.Froot.
16-05-2008, 04:46 PM
I'm not sure I understand you here. What do you mean when you say most widely supported?
Check how many mirrors there are available for Ubuntu, then compare it to the other distros. I like many of the other distros but both personally and from experience and from other Linux-users, I would have to say that Ubuntu just beats them. <no, not going to start another distrowar>
Check how many mirrors there are available for Ubuntu, then compare it to the other distros. I like many of the other distros but both personally and from experience and from other Linux-users, I would have to say that Ubuntu just beats them. <no, not going to start another distrowar>
milomak
17-05-2008, 12:17 AM
I run fully functional Debian, Sidux and Fedora (core and update repos, and Livna) based on SA servers alone. By fully functional I mean I could run the same system of international sites and there would be no difference. So I am sorry but you are talking crap. And if you are talking internationally as well then you have missed the boat altogether.
I have not run the other distros in a long while so I cannot vouch as to the availability of repos for them.
I have not run the other distros in a long while so I cannot vouch as to the availability of repos for them.
sn3rd
17-05-2008, 09:37 AM
Nope, I meant *good* repositories :D
LMFAO!
LMFAO!
MyWorld
17-05-2008, 01:11 PM
The problem for me comes when you want to install something NOT in the repositories, how easy is it then to configure and install said package?
That is why I will never in all my live touch another RPM based distro (RPM hell - last time I touched anything RPM based was back in 2003) and the reason I'll stick with Gentoo tank you very much (source based)!
That is why I will never in all my live touch another RPM based distro (RPM hell - last time I touched anything RPM based was back in 2003) and the reason I'll stick with Gentoo tank you very much (source based)!
.Froot.
17-05-2008, 01:17 PM
The problem for me comes when you want to install something NOT in the repositories, how easy is it then to configure and install said package?
That is why I will never in all my live touch another RPM based distro (RPM hell - last time I touched anything RPM based was back in 2003) and the reason I'll stick with Gentoo tank you very much (source based)!
That's one thing I love about Debian-->Ubuntu. You can simply execute the .deb file and it is installed in exactly the same manner as in the package manager. Except of course if it has a million other dependancies, in which case I send it to my install cache and type "apt-get install <package>" and it will install that and the dependancies (99% of the time it works)
That is why I will never in all my live touch another RPM based distro (RPM hell - last time I touched anything RPM based was back in 2003) and the reason I'll stick with Gentoo tank you very much (source based)!
That's one thing I love about Debian-->Ubuntu. You can simply execute the .deb file and it is installed in exactly the same manner as in the package manager. Except of course if it has a million other dependancies, in which case I send it to my install cache and type "apt-get install <package>" and it will install that and the dependancies (99% of the time it works)
milomak
17-05-2008, 02:29 PM
Fedora (rpm based) does the exact same thing. All you have to do is yum localinstall <path to rpm>. Any needed dependencies will be pulled off the repos as well.
.Froot.
17-05-2008, 05:18 PM
Fedora (rpm based) does the exact same thing. All you have to do is yum localinstall <path to rpm>. Any needed dependencies will be pulled off the repos as well.
"Myworld" mentioned hating that about his distro, whichever it is, not doing that... ?!
"Myworld" mentioned hating that about his distro, whichever it is, not doing that... ?!
milomak
17-05-2008, 06:53 PM
tbf MyWorld's statement is similar to someone saying they will never touch linux again because they had a bad experience in 2003. I was merely pointing out that there is a RPM based distro which treats installing standalone RPMs in a similar way that deb packages are handled.
As I use both a deb and a RPM based distro quite often, I felt it necessary to highlight the fact.
As I use both a deb and a RPM based distro quite often, I felt it necessary to highlight the fact.
.Froot.
17-05-2008, 07:24 PM
tbf MyWorld's statement is similar to someone saying they will never touch linux again because they had a bad experience in 2003. I was merely pointing out that there is a RPM based distro which treats installing standalone RPMs in a similar way that deb packages are handled.
As I use both a deb and a RPM based distro quite often, I felt it necessary to highlight the fact.
Yeah no that's fine. I also don't approve of the "I tried it once and didn't like it, so it sucks" approach.
Also, my bad for not using the right wording on the "local repos" for distros other than Ubuntu. :)
As I use both a deb and a RPM based distro quite often, I felt it necessary to highlight the fact.
Yeah no that's fine. I also don't approve of the "I tried it once and didn't like it, so it sucks" approach.
Also, my bad for not using the right wording on the "local repos" for distros other than Ubuntu. :)