Kule
30-05-2008, 11:52 AM
Discuss the rule here.
@ Killa - why is it illegal? :confused:
@ Killa - why is it illegal? :confused:
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Kule
30-05-2008, 11:55 AM
I can only see this being the best for football. In the UK it is the worst, where a team is filled with foreigners.
All the take overs from internatinal businessman. If they care so muc about football as they say they do, why didnt they try to build the football up in their own countries like Russia and America?
All the take overs from internatinal businessman. If they care so muc about football as they say they do, why didnt they try to build the football up in their own countries like Russia and America?
mercurial
30-05-2008, 12:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Premier_League_players
Kule
30-05-2008, 12:03 PM
Whats the point of that link>?
Meisteral
30-05-2008, 12:05 PM
I agree with the rule too, but due to the European Labour Laws, it will be illegal to enforce. Something on 'free movement' of EU citizens within the EU.
There is another Foreign rule but can only be applied on players outside the EU. Then again they have the 75% work permit rule for them and that is specific to each country I think.
There is another Foreign rule but can only be applied on players outside the EU. Then again they have the 75% work permit rule for them and that is specific to each country I think.
mercurial
30-05-2008, 12:07 PM
Whats the point of that link>?
If you bothered reading it instead of mocking, you would see that it's a complete list of the foreign players in EPL :rolleyes:
If you bothered reading it instead of mocking, you would see that it's a complete list of the foreign players in EPL :rolleyes:
killadoob
30-05-2008, 12:07 PM
yup
im not sure if he will get this passed, fifa may have voted in favour but i dont think fifa can make it happen
im not sure the exact process to be honest or what law it is or who they have to go through to make this 6+5 rule
i just know its not going to easy to enforce this rule
arsenal better prey this does not come true
im not sure if he will get this passed, fifa may have voted in favour but i dont think fifa can make it happen
im not sure the exact process to be honest or what law it is or who they have to go through to make this 6+5 rule
i just know its not going to easy to enforce this rule
arsenal better prey this does not come true
Kule
30-05-2008, 12:09 PM
FIFA has more power than the almost any governing body in the world. Take the UN for example, when FIFA speak the UN jumps.
If FIFA want to enforce this law, they will.
If FIFA want to enforce this law, they will.
hj2k_x
30-05-2008, 12:10 PM
I agree with the rule too, but due to the European Labour Laws, it will be illegal to enforce. Something on 'free movement' of EU citizens within the EU.
There is another Foreign rule but can only be applied on players outside the EU. Then again they have the 75% work permit rule for them and that is specific to each country I think.
Yip. No matter how powerful FIFA is or isn't depending on what you believe, when the come up against the EU court and Constitution they will have a hard time contravening its laws..
There is another Foreign rule but can only be applied on players outside the EU. Then again they have the 75% work permit rule for them and that is specific to each country I think.
Yip. No matter how powerful FIFA is or isn't depending on what you believe, when the come up against the EU court and Constitution they will have a hard time contravening its laws..
Meisteral
30-05-2008, 12:11 PM
What adds to the problem in general for Blatter, is that Sarkozy will open its borders to the non EU eastern european countries.
link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/world/europe/29briefs-SARKOZYPULLS_BRF.html)
link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/world/europe/29briefs-SARKOZYPULLS_BRF.html)
mercurial
30-05-2008, 12:12 PM
Wasn't his idea overruled a short while ago? I remember reading it somewhere. He had egg all over his face. His reason for this is shocking though - basically saying that EPL clubs have been dominant in CL cos of this and that's why he wants to apply this rule. Guess what Schlep? Touch **** if you don't like EPL teams. Deal with it.
killadoob
30-05-2008, 12:13 PM
FIFA has more power than the almost any governing body in the world. Take the UN for example, when FIFA speak the UN jumps.
If FIFA want to enforce this law, they will.
fifa cannot change a government rule
fifa is not bigger than the government of countries
If FIFA want to enforce this law, they will.
fifa cannot change a government rule
fifa is not bigger than the government of countries
Kule
30-05-2008, 12:14 PM
Yip. No matter how powerful FIFA is or isn't depending on what you believe, when the come up against the EU court and Constitution they will have a hard time contravening its laws..
You will be surprised how much power FIFA has. Maybe a new law regarding work permits of football players will be passed to aid Fifa in their quest.
You will be surprised how much power FIFA has. Maybe a new law regarding work permits of football players will be passed to aid Fifa in their quest.
Kule
30-05-2008, 12:15 PM
fifa cannot change a government rule
fifa is not bigger than the government of countries
The way i understand it. Fifa doesnt want to change laws, they are looking to have their ruling passed - how they go about doing that, i dont think it is far fetched.
fifa is not bigger than the government of countries
The way i understand it. Fifa doesnt want to change laws, they are looking to have their ruling passed - how they go about doing that, i dont think it is far fetched.
killadoob
30-05-2008, 12:15 PM
kule i dont think so man
anyways its only going to put in place in 2012/13 season
by then this world will be over if you believe in the mayan prophecies :)
anyways its only going to put in place in 2012/13 season
by then this world will be over if you believe in the mayan prophecies :)
Kule
30-05-2008, 12:19 PM
Ya, we will wait and see what comes of it. read an article few months back saying that all these new EPL owners are here cos they ''care'' about football so much.
If they ''cared'' about football they would start academies and build better clubs in their home countries.
Anyways, that was another discussion about clubs need to belong to people from the country.
If they ''cared'' about football they would start academies and build better clubs in their home countries.
Anyways, that was another discussion about clubs need to belong to people from the country.
mercurial
30-05-2008, 12:19 PM
What about other European teams? Is he going to implement a rule for them allowing only a certain number of foreigners as well? Smells of crackpot hypocrisy.
Kule
30-05-2008, 12:20 PM
What about other European teams? Is he going to implement a rule for them allowing only a certain number of foreigners as well? Smells of crackpot hypocrisy.
OF COURSE!!!!
OF COURSE!!!!
Franckwithak
30-05-2008, 12:27 PM
I for one am hoping that the 6+5rule gets past...at the moment Boro have the best accademy in the premiership so we smiling at the thought of it :)
Kule
30-05-2008, 12:28 PM
I for one am hoping that the 6+5rule gets past...at the moment Boro have the best accademy in the premiership so we smiling at the thought of it :)
That right! Emphasis will be on grooming local players. That way the national team will be so much stronger as well.
That right! Emphasis will be on grooming local players. That way the national team will be so much stronger as well.
Meisteral
30-05-2008, 12:32 PM
What about other European teams? Is he going to implement a rule for them allowing only a certain number of foreigners as well? Smells of crackpot hypocrisy.
No doubt about that.
Still I believe implementing a different view of the rule could be sufficient. ie: force clubs to spend x amount on youth development.
No doubt about that.
Still I believe implementing a different view of the rule could be sufficient. ie: force clubs to spend x amount on youth development.
mercurial
30-05-2008, 12:33 PM
No doubt about that.
Still I believe implementing a different view of the rule could be sufficient. ie: force clubs to spend x amount on youth development.
Agreed.
Still I believe implementing a different view of the rule could be sufficient. ie: force clubs to spend x amount on youth development.
Agreed.
stefan9
30-05-2008, 01:04 PM
This rule will not pass in Europe. The EU has already said its illegal. You are not allowed to discriminate based on nationality in europe.
Fifa can enforce it in the other federations but they can't in europe.
What is legal is the champions league home grown player requirement. From this season a club needs to have 4 players which came from their youth system and 4 other which came from a youth system from another club in the same country. These players need to have spend 3 years between the age of 15 and 21 in the youth system of the club. But they can be any nationality.
Fifa can enforce it in the other federations but they can't in europe.
What is legal is the champions league home grown player requirement. From this season a club needs to have 4 players which came from their youth system and 4 other which came from a youth system from another club in the same country. These players need to have spend 3 years between the age of 15 and 21 in the youth system of the club. But they can be any nationality.
Kule
30-05-2008, 01:10 PM
Well thats still ok. Will force clubs to groom young players. The ruch clubs will suffer then.
killadoob
30-05-2008, 01:14 PM
why would the rich clubs suffer?
man united and chelsea have ample england players
the bottom clubs will suffer the most because english players price will raise big time and the richer clubs will buy all the talented england players leaving the bottom feeders with the average joe's
weakening the lower teams ever more
if anything this will weakening the league not make it stronger
man united and chelsea have ample england players
the bottom clubs will suffer the most because english players price will raise big time and the richer clubs will buy all the talented england players leaving the bottom feeders with the average joe's
weakening the lower teams ever more
if anything this will weakening the league not make it stronger
Kule
30-05-2008, 01:19 PM
The richer bigger clubs will suffer because they are required to gorrom players from the academy to play in the first team.
In todays game, the bigger clubs are not focused on academies they are focused on buying the finished products.
In todays game, the bigger clubs are not focused on academies they are focused on buying the finished products.
stefan9
30-05-2008, 01:22 PM
The richer bigger clubs will suffer because they are required to gorrom players from the academy to play in the first team.
In todays game, the bigger clubs are not focused on academies they are focused on buying the finished products.
No all that will happen is the big clubs will buy the players at a younger age. 18 as oppose to 24.:D
In todays game, the bigger clubs are not focused on academies they are focused on buying the finished products.
No all that will happen is the big clubs will buy the players at a younger age. 18 as oppose to 24.:D
Kule
30-05-2008, 01:23 PM
No, it shouldne be like that. The player would have to come thru the youth ranks. If that is the case where they can buy 18 year olds, then it really defeatds the purpose.
stefan9
30-05-2008, 01:42 PM
No, it shouldne be like that. The player would have to come thru the youth ranks. If that is the case where they can buy 18 year olds, then it really defeatds the purpose.
He spends 3 years between 15 and 21 he qualifies as a youth product. 18-21 is 3 years.
He spends 3 years between 15 and 21 he qualifies as a youth product. 18-21 is 3 years.
killadoob
30-05-2008, 01:43 PM
The richer bigger clubs will suffer because they are required to gorrom players from the academy to play in the first team.
In todays game, the bigger clubs are not focused on academies they are focused on buying the finished products.
why could they not just spend 20m on up coming england stars from the smaller clubs?
i mean surely that makes sense?
rich clubs buy over priced england players, small clubs lose all decent england players
In todays game, the bigger clubs are not focused on academies they are focused on buying the finished products.
why could they not just spend 20m on up coming england stars from the smaller clubs?
i mean surely that makes sense?
rich clubs buy over priced england players, small clubs lose all decent england players
Kule
30-05-2008, 01:44 PM
He spends 3 years between 15 and 21 he qualifies as a youth product. 18-21 is 3 years.
But where was he before those 3 years. Thats why its important to have the rule state you must sign for the club that trained you.
But where was he before those 3 years. Thats why its important to have the rule state you must sign for the club that trained you.
Kule
30-05-2008, 01:45 PM
why could they not just spend 20m on up coming england stars from the smaller clubs?
i mean surely that makes sense?
rich clubs buy over priced england players, small clubs lose all decent england players
Now to stop smaller clubs losing out. The rule needs to be implemented.
i mean surely that makes sense?
rich clubs buy over priced england players, small clubs lose all decent england players
Now to stop smaller clubs losing out. The rule needs to be implemented.
Kule
30-05-2008, 02:21 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3628472,00.html
The FA are in favour of exploring the rule.
The FA are in favour of exploring the rule.
Alan
30-05-2008, 04:23 PM
If you think English players are over priced and over paid wait until this law comes into effect :eek:
It probably won't though
It probably won't though
nivek
30-05-2008, 05:56 PM
as fresh said on 5fm the other day.. blatter doesnt own football
nivek
30-05-2008, 05:58 PM
also i dont think this would affect arsenal too badly anyway :) since it'll only be in place 2012/13, they've been quietly snapping up alot of english talent... luke freeman is 1 example and the youth team is +-70% english... might see some of them next season..hoping to see alot of mark randall and kieran gibbs..
Alan
30-05-2008, 06:01 PM
as fresh said on 5fm the other day.. blatter doesnt own football
Or know anything about it.
Arsenal would get relegated :D
Or know anything about it.
Arsenal would get relegated :D
nivek
30-05-2008, 06:03 PM
Arsenal would get relegated :D
see above edited post :)
see above edited post :)
CaTcH21
30-05-2008, 06:08 PM
see above edited post :)
hehe...
hehe...