First impressions on ure mywireless [Archive]

LoneGunman

22-01-2004, 09:50 PM

For my part. Monday waited for rollout, Tuesday and Wednesday I struggled to get the application form provided by Sentech to actually work without errors, tried 12+ times - gave up wednesday afternoon and went through to Sentech offices in Fourways..

Filled out application form in person. Person X in the structure tells me they should be in touch to fax or email a contract to me which I must fax back 'probably by this afternoon'..

Today (thursday) afternoon, having heard nada, phoned them and Person X in the structure says if I havent heard from them by tomorrow afternoon, to please call him. He mentions that there have been others who've also come in in person to sign up, having given up on the ****ty little online form that Sentech PR morons thought would probably be uber cool.

Naturally Im calling by 11am, coz otherwise it'll be monday again and a whole stinking week of paying Telkom for internet has gone by.

So I've waited for the form to get online, waited for them to fix the form, given up and gone to them, now I wait for their stupid faxing of contract, then I have to find method of signing and faxing it back,(I dont have a printer) then I have to wait for their stupid no doubt equally slovenly 'courier' service (a guy with one leg and a slippery broken crutch doing deliveries on foot no doubt) and then hope that this works once I get the thing..
Do Sentech a) actually want any customers at all? and
b) Do they realize the amount of anarchy and mayhem that their potentially dissatisfied wannabee customers will probably do to them after being made to near as dammit beg to give them money?

Yes, I'm rabidly peeved and foaming at the mouth, and looking forward to showing them the many security holes in their systems the hard way..
(And prior to this I was just a little old pensioner who drove the internet once a week on sundays, but Sentech have turned me into a geek samurai anarchist with a taste for battle)

Now where're the sleeping tablets? :)

freeek

23-01-2004, 12:36 AM

well so we have learnt that they are totally unorganised when it comes to signing up new clients. A nice and simple signing up and installing should be expected.

Hope the end result will be good though

..- dot dot dash ;)

AcidRaZor

23-01-2004, 07:36 AM

I reckon their partners would do a better job at signing up people, its like asking telkom to sign you up for internet, going to take ages (although they're the big daddy provider) but a simple phonecall to another ISP (like imaginet) would get you connected almost instantly.

Same flavour, although I do agree that they could have handled the application processes better

armitage

23-01-2004, 08:16 AM

Also remember guys that this is i think their first step in open public market. previously to sign a contract with them probably involved bout a few months of discussion then some consilidation an then the bribes started to flow.
Now comparing em to a normal isp who have had in the last 10 years a lot of time to perfect their PR its not suprising that their so disfunctional still.
remember a broadcaster never went to their front desk just( or website) to fill out a form which had to be faxed back an forth.

New service by Telkom broadband speeds up to 5kbps for only R1k a month. heheh

Sliver

23-01-2004, 09:40 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by noone
 I reckon their partners would do a better job at signing up people, its like asking telkom to sign you up for internet, going to take ages (although they're the big daddy provider) but a simple phonecall to another ISP (like imaginet) would get you connected almost instantly.

Same flavour, although I do agree that they could have handled the application processes better
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You have to be joking ??? I phoned telkom on Tuesday, spent 20min on the phone placing my order for isdn, was issued with and order number and my line is probably going to be in today or monday !!! You can bad mouth telkom as much as you want, i've recieved 10 times the service from telkom on the application/installation side than Sentech could ever provide !!!

TrXtR

23-01-2004, 09:47 AM

Silver [:D]

Why dont you update us when the line is int [^]

AcidRaZor

23-01-2004, 09:52 AM

i waited 6 months to get ANYTHING from telkom

bill dispute? 3 months, walk in, get a manager, 2 minutes.... they're all fooked up!

desraid

23-01-2004, 09:53 AM

So.. nobody got Sentech's MyWireless yet??

martin

23-01-2004, 10:28 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sliver
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by noone
 I reckon their partners would do a better job at signing up people, its like asking telkom to sign you up for internet, going to take ages (although they're the big daddy provider) but a simple phonecall to another ISP (like imaginet) would get you connected almost instantly.

Same flavour, although I do agree that they could have handled the application processes better
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You have to be joking ??? I phoned telkom on Tuesday, spent 20min on the phone placing my order for isdn, was issued with and order number and my line is probably going to be in today or monday !!! You can bad mouth telkom as much as you want, i've recieved 10 times the service from telkom on the application/installation side than Sentech could ever provide !!!
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ISDN and ADSL applications are handled by seperate Telkom departments. The department handling ISDN orders seems to be pretty switched on (heard this from a couple of people). Try ordering ADSL. Our application took 3 and half months.

Sliver

23-01-2004, 10:32 AM

Fair enough, but you haev to admit trying to apply for a service taking 4 days before your arder is processed is pretty damn rediculous.

AcidRaZor

23-01-2004, 10:52 AM

yea, my credit check was done by telkom while i was ordering it... they need 3-4 days? *shrug*

Sliver

23-01-2004, 11:15 AM

I suppose telkom have a much better infrastructure when it comes to those kind of things.

martin

23-01-2004, 11:27 AM

Probably, hopefully Sentech will be planning some catching up in that area.

Anthen

23-01-2004, 01:02 PM

If an application is to difficult task for them to handle, how are they going to manage with technical support.

Anyone have their mywireless installed yet? How are the international ping times?

LordZorg

23-01-2004, 01:21 PM

Same story here so far - i'm having a hard time finding out what process my application is in - they cant even tell me if the Credit check is done or not [V]

Not a good start imo but lets see...

LoneGunman

23-01-2004, 11:42 PM

Latest installment in the 'TRYING TO GET MY WIRELESS SERVICE'
(and by the way, sorry for tripping the 'no obscenity' filter in my post yesterday :)

Naturally Person X at Sentech doesnt come back to me by 1pm, I call, and after reminding him that he told me to, he apologizes, says he forgot and says he's heading back to Person Y's office to check what the story is. Time passes.

I get a call, X hands phone to Y (a female) who tells me there's a problem 'Oh yes?' I ask. 'You dont have a cheque account at your bank do you?' I say no, but I've a fairly sizeable chunk of cash waiting in there, and in a 32 day holding facility as well.'
'Yes but this is a problem, you cant just have a Savings Account if you want the MyWireless service, you need a checking account or some other accounts.'
I point out that I have oodles of money and whats the damn problem? She goes into stuck record mode and repeats the thing about a savings account not being acceptable. She tells me that on monday 'they' are having a meeting to discuss all the "er borderline cases" unquote such as myself, and she'll be able to phone me right after the meeting, to tell me what their verdict is. I check, and apparently the 'meeting for borderline cases' will be done by 11am or so Monday.

I restrain myself from simply hurling abuse, pointing to my sizeable cash reserves, or in fact laughing at her - given that she says I passed the credit check. (Without going into details, a spending spree in the US some years back took care of my good credit rating locally - so their R500 charge they intend adding on the initial first month for vetting good credit risks, is a fraud and a joke)

Come monday, warfare is about to erupt, as I have person X and Y's names - and if Im turned down will do a deal and get family member to go through the application process on my behalf..

But the part I'm REALLY looking forward to, should I get told my 'savings account' is not acceptable..is telling Persons X and Y just what newspaper I write for, and asking them if there's anything else they'd like to be quoted on..

Sliver

24-01-2004, 10:50 AM

Is this an ISP or a circus ?? They were supposed to go live on the 19th, it's now the 24th and theres still nobody that can say they have had a pleasant experience dealing with Sentech, hopefuly the service on the technical side is a lot better than their administration or we are in for a very fun ride.

freeek

24-01-2004, 11:13 AM

"theres still nobody that can say they have had a pleasant experience"

theres nobody that can say anything about the service, nobody has the servive yet! ITs All because of the stupid 24month contract. Credit checks and stuff

..- dot dot dash ;)

Anthen

24-01-2004, 01:09 PM

Sliver, the service is not bad on the technical side... until it goes down and you need support. That is how the support is on vsat and solo24 services. The same staff will be dealing with mywireless, I dont think they will become competent overnight. Hopefully they will employ more staff and the good service will rub off on vsat and other products as well.

In the end I think ADSL and Mywireless will compete well against each other.

TheRabbi

24-01-2004, 01:24 PM

What is solo24?

AcidRaZor

24-01-2004, 02:45 PM

Yes well, like I said before... they have no experience in such an arena, hence the circus on signing up....

hopefully they'll learn out of their mistakes and make the process more effcient. (spelling)

I would like to offer my services as a solutions developer, to integrate the systems they are running, because according to the support consultant (haha, consultant) they don't know if you have been approved or not, hell, I expect to call in with my ordernumber and get an answer (like if you call telkom and almost sortof get an answer)

:)

Staind

25-01-2004, 12:57 PM

tisk tisk tisk. i saw this coming. nothing was ready. setting a date is pretty stupid if its not going to work. some of the questions on the app form are very obscure.. who cares how many hours uve been married for? whats the point in having a full map for people to check they have coverage? why not single out the places which actually are covered.. do u know how much bandwidth that map must have used up on the launch date? i bet people in durban and cape town were even checking.. thus lagging the server.. well atleast it was a good test to see if their server would crash.. luckily it didn't. i found out monday night that i was disconnected as a beta tester, nice to know that my isdn line wasn't working and actually finding out by connecting on my 33.6kmodem that the reason was because billing had to start for the clients.. none of the offical testing has begun so i donno how clients are supposed to get correct answers when the service hasn't been properly externally tested. If you phone the techinal support and have problems with your login, you should expect to be called back. THey techies have no access in giving you a login. as you know they disconnected us beta's and said we'd be back on sometime next week, now i called in and said right i have got a new modem from you because my pc was crashing and i wanted to test if it was the modem causing this. i get the response "there is no way for you to check until you are connected sometime next week" great! I said how can i tell people i enjoyed this service if i couldn't stay connected because of a fault in the software/hardware and you wouldn't even let me test it properly and I should recommend this to people?

anyway nextweek (guessing friday) i should hopefully beable to test further and try and route my problem. but just as everyone is pissed off, so am I. dealing with these companies

Anthen

25-01-2004, 02:44 PM

That is why they should sub contract to ISP’s that have the knowledge and experience to do the job properly. They would rather provide poor service and keep the profit to them self. Typical government controlled company.

Swifty

26-01-2004, 11:07 AM

Ok, first off I think there already lots of people that has the service.

I for one would have had it last week if it werent for the fact that they (forgot) to cover most of Pretoria?

I know of at least 2 people in our company that got their modems last Thursday. They both have 256k options and say they are getting about 30k download speeds.

Unfortuanately I cant comment on gaming as I just showed them today that we actually have gaming servers in South Africa. (Seems they tried playing on the internasional servers [:D])

Now if Sentech could please put up a pole right in Moreletapark (Pretoria) then I can get my connection, with NO CAP.

Err, make that a few poles, just incase.

freeek

26-01-2004, 12:05 PM

And what happen when they tried to play internationally? What were there pings like? This should give us some info on their international bandwidth

..- dot dot dash ;)

AcidRaZor

26-01-2004, 12:40 PM

tis not a matter of bandwidth, but latency.... travelling 15000 odd km to a satelite and back means more "ms" delay

they could have the biggest bandwidth ever... if it goes through satelite, you basically have *** lag. (unless through the sat3 cable)

proasm said that games would maybe be routed through the sat3 cable in future.... lets hope it does :)

PURE

26-01-2004, 10:15 PM

The only reason why they want you to have a cheque account is because they request a "Bank code" from your bank.
The requests would look something like this
They state your account, your name, and some other details. Requesting is so and so good for X rand each month for a certain period. Or one amount in one period.

The Bank will then confirm your details. Yes account so and so does belong to Mr X or no it does not.
If it does, they will reply with a Single letter Code, on a scale “A” been really good, and “F” really bad, banks never give higher than a C. The banks look at number of things RD cheques on your account In the last 6 months, if you go over your limit and for how long. Amount of deposits withdrawals the general behaviour on your account. And general feel for their customer. And the automated credit score on your account.
The reason banks don’t do this on a saving account is there is no history of over the limit, or history of Rd cheques and because saving accounts don’t come with over drafts and therefore banks don’t credit score your account.

Never in this process is your personal or bank related info supplied to the requestor. It’s mere yes the details match up account to name and a single letter code. The requestor will generally have to go through their bank, So if Sentech banks with ABSA and you bank with Nedbank. Sentech will ask ABSA to get the code from Nedbank.

There 2 other credit checks will either be with “ITC” or “Experience” and KI if you are applying on behalf of a CC or Company. Most large companies like Telkom Cell companies clothing stores feed info into these systems. So the following info is to be had. A if you missed payment or you taken to court for non payment. And your payment cycle meaning the creditor will be able to see if you pay your accounts late.
So you would see Mtn in a month you paid on time you will see a = sign a month you paid late an X. and the general amount of your account with those stores. So if your average telephone bill is R600 you will see Telkom R600. and these sites confirm your details once again. ID, address, married, children. These system pull their info from numerous data sources.

LoneGunman

28-01-2004, 07:55 PM

Dear Diary :)

Okay, the latest in the saga of 'trying to get MyWireless service'. Started the attempt on the 19th, its now the 28th - yesterday I assemble all the crap needed for Sentech, from the contract (dont even go there) through to blood samples, sperm samples, photo's of myself in compromising positions with sheep for them to use as blackmail, proof of my never having been a communist, and a wide range of other fairly easily manufactured things which companies rather laughably consider to be proof of ones goodwill, ability to pay, and willingness to be considered bound by a contract, in this modern age. (meantime, of course, the reality is something else entirely)

Today - 28th - I phone my Deep Throat inside the Secret-Conspiracy-Known-As_Sentech and get told it all went through without a glitch (perhaps because it had nothing to do with Sentech?) - Apparently my module is part of the next batch to be sent out, by a company called Fast Com (sounded like that anyway) - and I should have the module tomorrow.

Of course this means nothing. a) the module has to get here b) it has to work c) I should be able to install it and be on the network without hours of fiddling with sentech 'support'

Added to this, despite being told that tomorrow (the 29th) is when this company will make contact and deliver the module, I have just received a further x2 pdf copies of the contract - presumably for me to sign.. I mailed back saying 'huh? I've sent it all in and had confirmation of approval- so I'll assume its crossed lines that's caused this..'

so tension is now rising here, awaiting to see if this will actually arrive, happen, and work like they say it will..

If it does and I can be up n running rapidly, I'll - purely for research purposes - give a list of download speeds to a range of my favourite warez sites in assorted countries, as well as speeds off various ftp's (where I routinely download appz, occasional films and the latest howard stern radio shows and other fun things :)

For myself, being a 56k modem user, I'll be content with even the same speed but online 24/7. So anything over the area of say 6k d/l rate, I'll be content.

If the module actually arrives, I'll do some test sends and receieves via MIRC f-serves local and overseas, and give upload/download rates, ditto for Usenet - then for the more legit-minded types, I'll pick arb 'official' sites in US and UK and yank things and check speeds and detail 'em..
If the fates will it, and things are revving, I might load up my dusty Quake 3, and check ping times to local, US and UK servers, for the gamers..

I figure the one thing that needs to be considered with MyWireless, is the same thing when buying a PC, can/will it do what you want it to do. Not 'is it the fastest/biggest' - just 'can it do what you want'. So for me, 24/7 no cap, cheaper than my monthly phone bill, and hopefully speeds over 6-10k upping and downloading, that's sufficient for me. But I get that this isnt the same criteria for everyone else.

As no one else on the forum seems to have got the MyWireless, I figure if I'm the schmuck who manages to find out firsthand if its a bowl of steaming poo or actually cool, it can be worthwhile for me to post non-techie info on the speeds and 'feel' of it, for everyone else, to help them determine whether to make the leap.

I'll keep forumites posted.. :)

Perdition

28-01-2004, 08:41 PM

LoneGunman :

Thanks in advance for the info you will provide (hopefully tomorrow) [;)] At this point you will probably get the maximum speed (of your package) as the Sentech network is far from saturated. Things will get interesting once Cape Town and Durban go online.

Staind

28-01-2004, 09:27 PM

once again let down. you know how annoyed i am? 19th i was disconnected. ok fair the launch. email comes later saying sometime nextweek you'll be back on. ok fair they gotta set up other clients. friday - i collect a new modem from sentech in fourways and am keen to test it. I phone tech support and ask for a login/password cause i'm off atm, they say we'll get back to you.. they have no access to ANY logins.. saturday morning i get a call, don't worry the people doing the l/p registering will be back on monday to connect a account for you. so i think great i'll leave it till then. monday comes NOTHING i phone back and speak to the same guy, he says o hes sorry he's just emailed the lady doing the registering and wednesday you'll all be back on. is that a joke? i left it the whole day for them to reconnect me, tried at 7pm and to no availe had no connection. i phoned yet agaain and spoke to a different guy, who also had no clue on any logins.. he told me that he didn't know anything about it and he'll call me back tomorrow.. typical and exactly what i expected..

you see the difference is, i had this problem with my mweb. i phoned in within 3 minutes the dewd had given me his login to use and said to me my actual login will be ready within 12 hours. thats the service Sentech need. not just 24hr tech support where the techies know nothing.

Wozman8

29-01-2004, 07:48 AM

Well no good news from my side either. Applied on the 23rd , sent in all neccesary forms etc etc , got a call from them saying that they had recieved my on line application and were waiting for the faxed contract so at least they are aware of the application.

Having had to wait 3 months for Telkom to evetually cancel/close my ADSL line (if indeed it really is closed as I am still getting invoiced by them) my patience in probably a lot better than most people out there. Hopefully have some good news over the next day or two.[:D]

ckleynhans

29-01-2004, 01:15 PM

I hope somewhere, someone is making notes of the wrongs in the system so that they will be improved. Develop a smooth capability and revise it until it matures into a smooth sailing organisation.

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| Christiaan |
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TrXtR

29-01-2004, 03:40 PM

Whoohoo ! ;)
I checked today, and I is covered in newlands pretoria.
So I'm applying now ... and hope things work out better than what Ive seen ;)

Edit: Oh, and didnt check myself... but check moreleta and faery glen areas, they might also be covered.

LoneGunman

29-01-2004, 06:16 PM

ONLINE ON MY WIRELESS!!!!

I wrote a lengthy fairly bitter thing earlier, then Sentech went the extra mile for me this afternoon, and I got my module dropped off for me, and am writing this now PERM online :) (so yeah, I deleted the earlier thing I was gonna post)

Okay, first impressions, and I've only been online for literally 5 minutes.. The install is pretty painless, silly sucker things to attach to a little I-Pod like stand, in which one puts the module, you start off by running the install cd, - DONT have the module plugged into your pc at this point - wait until the software tells you to do it.. your browser pops up, taking you to login page (had some minor probs for a bit getting the right login info, as I hadnt put one in to start with, but big compliments to a Deon Joubert at Sentech for getting on phone to other techies and sorting it out..

Earlier this morning was doing my usual modem download of aforementioned howard stern stuff, getting maybe 3k a sec download from an ftp in the US, now its pulling smoothly at between 7 - 9k and rising..

Testing local yanking speed, going to Tucows now, while still pulling off US ftp.. choosing something really boring and largish (DesignCAD 3D Max 12) 11 megs in size.. getting from IS tucows, coming in very stable at around 11k-ish a sec (this is combo with the ftp d/l, which is down to 6k a sec at same time) So currently there's around 16k or so in the downloads happening...

Idle thought, which I'd forgotten from old days of Megawan, things get very stable when not using a modem - you can have a lot of browsers open, and multiple downloads and different appz doing different things, without having Windows falling over..

After 5min the ftp d/l is down to 3k- but the tucows is holding steady in the 10k range - Im not complaining, as its a total of 10k more than I'd normally have :)

Right now Im gonna kill the tucows send, make coffee to celebrate (yes Im boring) and if folks want me to test grab things from different continents or sites, post em and I'll do it, no problem, and report results.. A bit later I'll snoop through the local game servers just for the heck of it and see what the pings are like..

First impression is 'yeah baby I can pack the damn modem away now and kiss goodbye to paying Telkom anything' - but we'll see, its early days, and according to the techies Im one of the first to get module and online..

So forumites, ask for things for me to test, and I'll oblige :)

*the LoneGunman dissembles the rifle and walks away from the grassy knoll*

Andre

29-01-2004, 07:34 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by LoneGunman
 ONLINE ON MY WIRELESS!!!!
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Congrats. Which speed option did you choose BTW?

For interest sake can you ping 196.25.69.221 (SAIX Freelancer server) please.

chopsky

29-01-2004, 07:35 PM

Yo dood, I trust you have the 128k package? Firstly, can you ping SAIX and Mweb gaming servers and post the ping-replies here?
That's all I wanna see atm.
Cheers.

Perdition

29-01-2004, 07:45 PM

I'm pretty sure that must be the 128k package.

Sliver

29-01-2004, 08:23 PM

pings to :

kalahari.mweb.co.za
karoo.mweb.co.za

and any saix gaming servers would really help me make my decision, i've got the contract sitting on my desk waiting to be faxed off :)

Also, what area are you in if you don't mind me asking ?

LoneGunman

29-01-2004, 08:25 PM

hey all - yup its the basic 128 package-

first for ANDRE - who wanted SAIX FREELANCE SERVER pinged (196.25.69.221 ) - did a basic ping plotter (and remember Im yanking off one ftp, and upping to another at same time, using up b/w) hopefully this is what you're after
first:
1, -------------- ,66.18.65.105
2,gige-0-0-102.rtr-core4-stp.infosat.net,66.18.65.110
3,gige-0-0-23.rtr-bdr1-rbn.infosat.net,66.18.65.201
4, -------------- ,168.209.18.61
5, -------------- ,196.26.0.251
6,ndf-access2-s-3-1-0.gt.saix.net,196.25.110.245
7,rndf-ip-er-1-fe-8-1-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za,196.43.11.210
8,intekom-34meg-gw.gt.saix.net,196.25.245.50
9,mayhem.telkomsa.net,196.25.69.221
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then did a 1 sec ping rate to same addy, and it seemed to disappear totally, giving:
Target Name: mayhem.telkomsa.net
IP: 196.25.69.221
Date/Time: 1/29/04 8:07:46 PM to 1/29/04 8:08:04 PM

1 * * * * * * * * * * [66.18.65.105]
2 * * * * * * * * * * gige-0-0-102.rtr-core4-stp.infosat.net [66.18.65.110]
3 * * * * * * * * * * gige-0-0-23.rtr-bdr1-rbn.infosat.net [66.18.65.201]
4 * * * * * * * * * * [168.209.18.61]
5 * * * * * * * * * * [196.26.0.251]
6 * * * * * * * * * * ndf-access2-s-3-1-0.gt.saix.net [196.25.110.245]
7 * * * * * * * * * * rndf-ip-er-1-fe-8-1-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.11.210]
8 * * * * * * * * * * intekom-34meg-gw.gt.saix.net [196.25.245.50]
9 * * * * * * * * * * mayhem.telkomsa.net [196.25.69.221]

Ping statistics for mayhem.telkomsa.net
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 0, Lost = 10 (100.0%)
Round Trip Times: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms
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next for CHOPSKY re the gaming servers, took a look at saix, and there's a whole blerry bunch of em! :P - dont want to hog the whole page with info, but the first two I tried off SAIX page, (196.4.79.9 and 196.4.79.8) were in the 80's in terms of ping (using pingplotter) - and the one CT one I tried (from here in Jhb),(196.43.3.36) gave around 120 - 150 ping with some packet loss midway in the hops.

then for Mweb, again too darn many servers - Phobos 8777 - around 93 ping average, Kalahari 7677, around 119, karoo.mweb.co.za 9777 - around 90 (lots of packet loss)
Remember though Im majorly abusing my b/w at the same time, with a number of appz going - never a good thing to do when pinging anything.. but if there are specific servers you want info on, or forms of pinging/testing you'd like, let me know :)

hope the above helps..

LoneGunman

29-01-2004, 08:31 PM

ps- for SLIVER, Im in Melville, Jhb (the much sneered at 'sewende laan' :)

If anyone wants actual lengthy traceroutes and ping times - rather than clog up the page here, feel free to mail me and I'll do whatever tests I can to help folks work out whether or not to make the leap..

Andre

29-01-2004, 10:04 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by LoneGunman
first for ANDRE - who wanted SAIX FREELANCE SERVER pinged <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thanks, but unfortunately any downloads going on in the background tend to skew your pings somewhat. When gaming you're not going to be running downloads usually since it can make the game jerky.

If you have some time, can you ping any one of the game servers people have asked for while not downloading anything so we can get an idea what it's like.

For comparison sake, this is what I get from mayhem:
C:\>ping mayhem.telkomsa.net

Pinging mayhem.telkomsa.net [196.25.69.221] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=123
Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=123
Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=123
Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=123

Ping statistics for 196.25.69.221:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 40ms, Maximum = 59ms, Average = 45ms

ProAsm

29-01-2004, 10:41 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If anyone wants actual lengthy traceroutes and ping times - rather than clog up the page here<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Being the first one up and running I dont think anyone would mind if you glogged up 1000 pages. [:)]
ProAsm ponders at the teeth marks on his keyboard [:D]

freeek

29-01-2004, 11:09 PM

would you please get pings for warcraft, local server reason.za.net
and get useast also

..- dot dot dash ;)

LoneGunman

29-01-2004, 11:21 PM

sorry folks, didnt mean to cause frustration :) I stopped downloading of everything, and did a proper ping and here's what follows - time is 11.20pm

(for ANDRE - re downloading while doing pings, yeah ok, Im dumb (and wayy too eager to shovel in the entire internet :)

I stopped everything and pinged mayhem to start with:

C:\>ping mayhem.telkomsa.net

Pinging mayhem.telkomsa.net [196.25.69.221] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=106ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=97ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=91ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.25.69.221: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=120

Ping statistics for 196.25.69.221:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 91ms, Maximum = 106ms, Average = 98ms
---------------------------------------

something wrong with SAIX at time of pinging, perhaps - here's what I got:

196.4.79.9 : saix game server-

C:\>ping 196.4.79.9

Pinging 196.4.79.9 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 196.4.79.9:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

total time out - maybe the server was down...ditto for the other saix one I'd tried earlier
- however, the CT one was responsive:
C:\>ping 196.43.3.36

Pinging 196.43.3.36 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.43.3.36: bytes=32 time=113ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.43.3.36: bytes=32 time=106ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.43.3.36: bytes=32 time=134ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.43.3.36: bytes=32 time=106ms TTL=120

Ping statistics for 196.43.3.36:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 106ms, Maximum = 134ms, Average = 114ms
---
berzerk.saix.net 196.4.79.6 also timed out :
C:\>ping 196.4.79.6

Pinging 196.4.79.6 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 196.4.79.6:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

took a look at Pta saix server: reboot.saix.net 196.25.219.132 Pretoria - also total time out. ditto the CS server
C:\>ping elyzium.saix.net

Pinging elyzium.saix.net [196.4.79.9] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 196.4.79.9:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

(having not done any gaming in a long time, there may have just been a major fubar at time of me trying SAIX, so dont take the zero responses from saix as gospel..
reboot.saix.net [196.25.219.132] also 100% time out

C:\>ping q3.saix.net
Unknown host q3.saix.net.

however, got a response from osp.saix.net - first time 25% PL, second time, following:
C:\>ping osp.saix.net

Pinging osp.saix.net [196.25.69.222] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.25.69.222: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.25.69.222: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.25.69.222: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=120
Reply from 196.25.69.222: bytes=32 time=88ms TTL=120

Ping statistics for 196.25.69.222:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 88ms, Maximum = 105ms, Average = 96ms

---------NOW MWEB

C:\>ping kalahari.mweb.co.za

Pinging kalahari.mweb.co.za [196.2.33.21] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=97ms TTL=119
Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=87ms TTL=119
Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=119
Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=97ms TTL=119

Ping statistics for 196.2.33.21:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 87ms, Maximum = 100ms, Average = 95ms

and karoo.mweb (1st test ping got a 25% packet loss, redid it and got the results below:
C:\>ping karoo.mweb.co.za

Pinging karoo.mweb.co.za [196.2.128.100] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=117ms TTL=116
Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=116
Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=118ms TTL=116
Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=111ms TTL=116

Ping statistics for 196.2.128.100:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 110ms, Maximum = 118ms, Average = 114ms

hope this genuine data helps folks.. yell if its incomplete or you need other spots pinged (maybe the saix ones'll be up and responding tomorrow - will check it)

Sapphiron

29-01-2004, 11:56 PM

Also bear in mind that the Internet is still recovering from the MyDoom Worm. But the pings look acceptable.

Can't wait for CPT to come up.
-------------------------------[:)]

When I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am the meanist mother****** in the valley - Patton

Deckert

30-01-2004, 12:28 AM

Dear Mr Gunman,

Could you give us an indication of the distance you are from your tower? Does the modem give you a signal-strenght of any sort?

And lastly, can you ping:

1. is.co.za
2. ns.uu.net

Please?

--deckert

chopsky

30-01-2004, 02:24 AM

So far, I can't say Im too impressed with the pings LoneGunman has shown us. They're all pretty much about 90 which isn't in my opinion, acceptable for a broadband service. Im interested to know though, as Deckert is, how far you are from the tower?
Cheers.

LoneGunman

30-01-2004, 07:40 AM

Hi all - ok - rather than do thumbsuck of distance, if you have a street map, I stay in Seventh Avenue in Melville, and my tower is Brixton Tower (South of Melville) and for maths fans it takes me around 25 -35 minutes at a brisk walking pace, to get to the SABC, which is about 4 to 5 blocks below the tower itself, which is set higher up on the hill. Guestimates are dangerous but I'd say a minimum of 1.5 km, the guy who dropped off my module said it was about 4km, but I dont think its that far.

And Deckert, I'll post those two pings you're after a little later, once I've rebooted - (bear in mind I've yanked at least 600+ megs of goodies since yesterday afternoon and no reboot, so my pc is currently a tad tired)

As for signal strength, it seemed to show the data when I initially connected, but now doesnt - at time of connection all the 'bands' on the signal strength diagram were green (ole Megawan users will recall that kind of imagery) but I think when mousing over the signal strength indicator at connect time, it gave around 46%..

Given the I-Pod size of the thing, (with a dinky little ariel thats smaller than a pack of cigarettes) and comparing it to the aforementioned Megawan antennae size and fiddling in order to calibrate the MW signal, I was impressed by the plug n play ability.. also given that its amidst a lot of electronics and a thick wall between it and the tower itself - it didnt need open windows or 'aiming', so the signal must be real serious and widespread. Having got it up and running, Im loath to move it at all, least of all out onto balcony into direct line of sight, but regardless, the thing works. The only 'disconnect' happened last night after a while when I was doing the ping experiments - but that could have been due to a range of causes, from the massive downloading splurge onwards - you can set the thing to auto-reconnect, so any glitches dont cause too much trouble..

guztro

30-01-2004, 08:14 AM

Hi All

If LoneGunman is getting 16k and he's maybe 1 of about 6 or 7 other users on the system...then at this stage I'm not impressed. What happened to the bursting that we heard so much about. I was thinking that the first people on te system would certainly get at least close to a 1meg/sec. The pings is also not what I expected.

LoneGunman...here's something for you to do - dgo to www.speedguide.net and do a speed test...they'l proberbly tell you that what you have is anything but broadband. :D

I'll stick to what I have for now.

Cheers
Guz

Cerberus

30-01-2004, 08:41 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by chopsky
 So far, I can't say Im too impressed with the pings LoneGunman has shown us. They're all pretty much about 90 which isn't in my opinion, acceptable for a broadband service. Im interested to know though, as Deckert is, how far you are from the tower?
Cheers.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Chopsky Broadband has nothing to do with latency and more to do with amount of data that you can stream down i.e "A transmission facility having a bandwidth sufficient to carry multiple voice, video or data channels simultaneously." Latency isn't part of broadband at all as Satellite is also classified as broadband,yes I agree with you the pings are low but then :) I don't mind if I get 100 ping on CS or DoD for a 24/7 connection :)

Regards
Cerberus

Sliver

30-01-2004, 09:19 AM

I genereally find usb modems very slow compared to the equivilant ethernet/pci products. My parents usb isdn modem would average 80-100ms to kalahari while my pci isdn modem in a linux box would average 40-60. When using usb it also depends a lot on your PC, if you are using high cpu at the time your pings will be low, thats why i would favour using the ethernet option into a linux box seperate from the box you play games on.

celeborn

30-01-2004, 09:35 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by guztro
 
Hi All

If LoneGunman is getting 16k and he's maybe 1 of about 6 or 7 other users on the system...then at this stage I'm not impressed. What happened to the bursting that we heard so much about. I was thinking that the first people on te system would certainly get at least close to a 1meg/sec. The pings is also not what I expected.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hi,

Bursting was never advertised. In fact, when I phoned Sentech this was one of the few things they could confirm. Please remember that the statements that ProAsm make on this forum are not official Sentech statements.

Regards
Celery

Andre

30-01-2004, 09:56 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by celeborn

Bursting was never advertised. In fact, when I phoned Sentech this was one of the few things they could confirm.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Ja, but then why does it still say Up to 3Mbps of broadband at your fingertips.

It's right there in a large font size on http://www.sentech.co.za.

silversurfer

30-01-2004, 11:04 AM

He's on a 128k package.. .getting 16k/s .. .with bout a 100ping to most local gaming servers... i say weldone sentech. Especially since the net is being hammered by the current wormz.

For the price being paid... i dont think anyone in ZA can complain about getting 16k/s 24/7. The only question is will it remain that way once his contention gets filled up.

Lone please keep us informed if u notice any decrease in speeds over the next month or 2.

freeek

30-01-2004, 11:14 AM

well that is what the modem can do 3mbps. I remember reading either on the site or in the forums each package is sort of capped to 128kbs or 256. 16k is good for a 128kbs. Its what he suppose to get. His ping is about 100 locally, it could be because he is about 4km away from the tower

how about getting those reason.za.net pings

..- dot dot dash ;)

ajax

30-01-2004, 11:33 AM

Its not the distance to the tower. All radiowaves travel at the speed of light, 300 000 000 meters per second or 300 000 km/sec.
So the delay (or extra ping time) due to the 4km distance to the tower is then (4x2)/300 000 sec or 0.026 millisec.
Even at 15km from the tower it will be (15x2)/300 000 or 0.1 millisec.

Ajax

kaspaas

30-01-2004, 11:47 AM

Not really - the problem is not the speed of the wave, it is the quality of the wave. The better the quality of the wave, the higher the dataspeed (and less lost packets etc)

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ajax
 Its not the distance to the tower. All radiowaves travel at the speed of light, 300 000 000 meters per second or 300 000 km/sec.
So the delay (or extra ping time) due to the 4km distance to the tower is then (4x2)/300 000 sec or 0.026 millisec.
Even at 15km from the tower it will be (15x2)/300 000 or 0.1 millisec.

Ajax

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.

Sliver

30-01-2004, 11:54 AM

Last time i checked radio waves travelled at the speed of sound ??? Plus, you have to calculate that his tower may only be 4km but from brixton to the data centre is considerably further.

Hopefuly me being very close to the data centre will make a considerable difference in ping times.

Cerberus

30-01-2004, 12:05 PM

Well this is what I found Silver:P

"all electromagnetic waves, travel at the speed of light"

hehe looked it up :P

Regards
Cerberus

TrXtR

30-01-2004, 12:18 PM

Ok, dont call me stupid... I havent done that to any of you,
but then howcome with Television, someone 20 kilometers away are a couple of seconds behind ? Mountains definitly give interference, even though I dont think that's the case with sentech, and well, I geuss it's maybe because TV doesnt use micro waves ? hehe
Someone elaborate with some nice scientific stuff ;) I'm bored wating for my application to be approved

ajax

30-01-2004, 12:55 PM

TV also uses "microwave" or rather electromagnetic waves.
I seriously dought someone 20km further would be a few seconds behind. It could be they are receiving from a different transmitter which might have been relayed from another one.

If Sentech has one main tower and then relays (or hops) a signal from tower to tower to the data centre, then it might affect ping times I suppose. But they would be stupid to set up the network like that.

ProAsm, anything on that?

Ajax

TrXtR

30-01-2004, 01:24 PM

Well, the different relays might make sense. But phone someone sometime ;) The phone line seems to work about at the speed of sound, hehe, but I do remember once talking to someone, and listening to quite a huge difference in time. Also, out of interist.
I had 2 tv's. one connected to arial, other to those crazy looking bunny ears, and there was also a delay. Could that be the cause of signal strength ? ( I know this is not the sabc forum, so you can ignore me if you really want to ;)

LordZorg

30-01-2004, 01:47 PM

Do me a favour please - could you ping www.camelot-europe.com - quite keen to see what sort of impact the satilite has on International stuff :)

ProAsm

30-01-2004, 01:55 PM

The wirelesss technology works similar to ADSL as far as the syncs go, and this is why some people call it Wireless ADSL.
Like ADSL which is Distance Dependant, so is Wireless technology.
Basically ADSL only travels 8 km on a copper wire, regardless of how thick or what quality the copper wire is.
Same goes with the Wireless Technology, it is distance dependant and that is a maximum of 5.7 km regardless of how good your signal is, how big your antenna is or how much power the transmitter is putting out.
However, signal quality in terms of Signal to Noise ratio will make a difference.

For example, it is quite feasible for a person living 3 km from a tower to be receiving the exact same signal strength and quality as the person living 5 km from the tower, but the chances are the person who is 3 km away will get say an 80 ping with 1% packet loss, whereas the guy 5 km away could expect maybe a 120 ping with 10% packet loss.
Note: This is only an example and not stated on any factual findings.

flashvc

30-01-2004, 02:41 PM

TV picture/sound, be it from the Roof Antenna or Bunny Ears will be perfectly in sync unless you are tuned into different frequencies (eg. Channel 9 and 12)

In most wireless technologies, the response time is dependant on your modulation techniques. If it takes long for the modem to convert the radio wave to digital signal and back, then your ping time will suffer. There's alot of overhead.
I'd like to see what the ping time is if you stand right next to the tower...anyone got a laptop and MyWireless ? :D

I've heard rumours of people on MyWireless getting 50ms pings.

Personally, I'm not too worried about ping times on MyWireless, if I wanna play a game, I'll dialup my ISDN and get a nice 30ms ping :)

My application form is printed and ready for faxing, just have to wait till "Q1 2004" to get a good signal which I'm hoping is very soon :D

--

Noag

30-01-2004, 02:59 PM

If radio wave moves at the speed of sound then it will take forever to talk to the rovers on mars. And a Fighter plane will fly him self out of radio contact and his radar will lock on on himself[:D]

I say Lets burn them

TrXtR

30-01-2004, 03:10 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Noag
 If radio wave moves at the speed of sound then it will take forever to talk to the rovers on mars. And a Fighter plane will fly him self out of radio contact and his radar will lock on on himself[:D]

I say Lets burn them
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

haha, I dont know what to say

ckleynhans

30-01-2004, 05:07 PM

The Speed of electromagnetic waves (and light) travels at the speed of 1 over the squareroot of mu and epsilon. Mu and epsilon are properties of te magnetic and electrostatic properties of the waves respectively. In a perfect vacuum, the speed of light is at an optimum. When you enter an atmosphere its properties change and the speed is slower. When you travel through electromagnetic cables it is much slower. Apparently the first telegraphs were so slow that you could almost outrace a telegram by horse. Today, due to improvements these speeds are closer to speed of light in vacuum but still slow. You will expect delays when you travel distance. In sattelite comms, you will expect to have huge delays due to the distance and due to conversion and also due to buffering. When the incoming data volume is higher than the rate that the outgoing pipe can handle, this gets buffered and are only send when a space becomes available. This does cause delays. It is annoying in speech and I suppose when you are a gamer. When you are an information hunter, it hardly matters.

-----------------------
| Christiaan |
------------------------

ckleynhans

30-01-2004, 05:15 PM

Wireless technology is not neccesarily distance dependant for the same reason that ADSL is. Wireless technology such as 3G uses smaller cells than say GSM so that they don't have to carry so many subscribers at any one time as the bigger cells and therefore they can handle a much larger bandwidth per subscriber. The idea is thereofore to have many more base stations but all of shorter range than in the GSM case. The antennas on 3G technology is also selective and can sweep onto a specific subscriber and ignore anothers incoming signal. In this way more subscribers can be handled by putting more antennas and by selecting from subscribers that uses the same frequency to avoid clashes.

-----------------------
| Christiaan |
------------------------

chopsky

30-01-2004, 06:18 PM

What happened to a provider being announced at launch that would offer MyWireless contract-free and a once-off fee for the modem?

georgestrydom

30-01-2004, 07:38 PM

That ping time of 90ms is not great. I started on 56K and had pings of 140ms. Then moved to 64k and got down to around 80ms. That download speed of 16 Kilobytes is right for 128Kilobits due to the way they measure things. Its the old story, a kilobyte is 8 times the size of a kilobit.So roughly as folows;
56Kilobits modem, download speed 6Kilobytes per sec
64K -----------------------------8K
128K ----------------------------16K
512K ----------------------------64K
Of course these speeds are only achieved under perfect conditions.
I have ADSL now and have reached max 56Kilobytes on download from international, only when uncapped of course and that translates to about 440Kilobits per sec. Quite far from the advertised 512k connection we are supposed to have.
The other thing that somebody else mentioned was that there internal Isdn modem was better than external. That is true, I dropped my ping on local servers from 80ms to 40ms.
Cerberus reckons that 100ms is ok. I doubt it. In 100ms you die about 6 metres back from where you thought you really were.
Now I have a ping of 20ms and sometimes I think that because I am updating the server so quickly, the guy with a 80ms ping time can see me before I can see him, because he only tells me where he is every 80ms. Never can win can you.
For me, my priority is ping time for gaming. Anything under 50ms would be ok. As far as download speeds go, I could possible live with 16Kb . Although once you have tasted the speed of adsl, it is a very difficult thing to give up. Really my 55Kb download is nearly four times what that guy was getting. What was he getting so excited about. Remember that software is growing bigger, not smaller. We need speed to make things happen on the Internet. That's why we cry so damn much when they cap us. Telkom takes us from our new Porsche, and keeps throwing us back into the old ox wagon. What do they want us to do, drag wires behind us wherever we go, so they can yank us back into there lager if we should happen to stray.
Will somebody else with "My Wireless" give us some more ping times for local servers. PLEASE.

LoneGunman

30-01-2004, 07:49 PM

As requested by LordZorg:
Pinging www.camelot-europe.com [193.252.123.35] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 193.252.123.35: bytes=32 time=410ms TTL=107
Reply from 193.252.123.35: bytes=32 time=423ms TTL=107
Reply from 193.252.123.35: bytes=32 time=413ms TTL=107
Reply from 193.252.123.35: bytes=32 time=444ms TTL=107

Ping statistics for 193.252.123.35:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 410ms, Maximum = 444ms, Average = 422ms
-
and a repeat of x2 Mweb pings:
Pinging kalahari.mweb.co.za [196.2.33.21] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=119
Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=91ms TTL=119
Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=119
Reply from 196.2.33.21: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=119

Ping statistics for 196.2.33.21:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 78ms, Maximum = 104ms, Average = 92ms
--
and
Pinging karoo.mweb.co.za [196.2.128.100] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=113ms TTL=116
Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=108ms TTL=116
Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=138ms TTL=116
Reply from 196.2.128.100: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=116

Ping statistics for 196.2.128.100:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 108ms, Maximum = 138ms, Average = 117ms
-

Perdition

30-01-2004, 09:32 PM

Those international ping times are excellent for satellite!

Dr4k

30-01-2004, 10:03 PM

Heya

the local pings for gaming arnt that great.. but considering theres 0 packet loss its kewl. I ordered the 256k package so i hope the pings are decent. Concerning pings, if i get a patch antenna will it improve pings alot ?

Dr4k out

Deckert

30-01-2004, 11:13 PM

Perdition:

Sentech's MyWireless traffic does not traverse satellite channels. It goes via I.S.'s fibre circuits. Sentech gets their connectivity from IS as an upstream.

--deckert

Perdition

30-01-2004, 11:42 PM

I know, but the downstream is satellite (unless something has changed) and 430ms for the entire trip is excellent.

Deckert

31-01-2004, 12:11 AM

Hi,

Both upstream and downstream go via IS. Traceroutes outbound and inbound show traffic traversing the IS core infrastructure.

--deckert

Perdition

31-01-2004, 12:33 AM

Please post those traceroutes

freeek

31-01-2004, 12:46 AM

where are those reason.za.net pings? Come on it's for all the warcraft guys. A ping of 100 is decent enough for local warcraft.

georgestrydom, what modem did you have to get a ping of 140? I get a ping of 205, sometimes about 190 if im lucky

..- dot dot dash ;)

Deckert

31-01-2004, 12:54 AM

Perdition:

LoneGunman posted outbound traces (recently in this same thread) and Karnaugh posted inbound traceroutes (yonks ago during the beta-cycle).

--deckert

Perdition

31-01-2004, 02:43 AM

Well let's get some confirmation... LoneGunman please post a traceroute to www.camelot-europe.com

Perhaps ProAsm could also update us on this if he is reading this thread [;)]

LoneGunman

31-01-2004, 10:23 AM

For Freeek
Pinging reason.za.net [196.34.172.102] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=59
Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=119ms TTL=59
Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=114ms TTL=59
Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=104ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 196.34.172.102:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 104ms, Maximum = 119ms, Average = 111ms

-------and a repeat ping of same url

Pinging reason.za.net [196.34.172.102] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=112ms TTL=59
Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=123ms TTL=59
Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=115ms TTL=59
Reply from 196.34.172.102: bytes=32 time=124ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 196.34.172.102:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 112ms, Maximum = 124ms, Average = 118ms

LoneGunman

31-01-2004, 10:29 AM

Perdition - I posted tracert to www.camelot-europe.com on page 5 of this thread (this is hopefully now still page 6 - if its 7 go back to 6 or 5 :) - just go back a page and you'll find it..

freeek

31-01-2004, 11:39 AM

thanx LoneGunman. 120 hmmmm. I wonder if you have 256kbs or 512 package will pings improve?

I think im gonna get my hands on one of those not so legal wireless companies for a week or so. I will post results. Its 128k package. Can compare pings.

..- dot dot dash ;)

Perdition

31-01-2004, 12:40 PM

LoneGunman, the results on page 5 are ping results, a traceroute (using the tracert command) will show the route the ping packets take to get to the specified address.

LoneGunman

31-01-2004, 01:08 PM

Perdition..

Here's your traceroute - I get the same result as last night for someone else trying to trace the saix servers I think it was - it just runs outa road and the rest shows as timeouts..

C:\>tracert www.camelot-europe.com
Tracing route to www.camelot-europe.com [193.252.123.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 97 ms 76 ms 74 ms 66.18.65.105
2 105 ms 97 ms 136 ms gige-0-0-102.rtr-core4-stp.infosat.net [66.18.65
.110]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
etc etc etc - up to 30 hops..
So a tracert doesnt give as much info for some reason, as the pings..

hope this fulfills my contractual obligation :P
Next?

Andre

31-01-2004, 02:22 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by LoneGunman
Here's your traceroute - I get the same result as last night for someone else trying to trace the saix servers I think it was - it just runs outa road and the rest shows as timeouts..
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

SAIX blocks some of this stuff.

Give this a try if you want:
http://www.hlembke.de/prod/3dtraceroute/

Perdition

31-01-2004, 03:17 PM

Yep it does thanks [;)] It would appear they are blocking trace requests so it's difficult to determine much information. If it is travelling entirely over fibre (essentially SAT-3) then pings should be a lot better than 430ms.

Staind

01-02-2004, 09:17 AM

I'm back on but i'd just like to know lonegunman if its possible for you to send me as a zip file or something the mywireless cd cause i swopped my modem out and didn't get a new cd ;/ if so please can u mail me on meyerg@mywireless.sentech.co.za - my drivers/software causing my modem to cause pc to crash in xp and i'm trying to resolve the problem, it wasn't the modem and i tried formatting but only thing i haven't changed is from the software that i installed the system with in december

LoneGunman

01-02-2004, 08:05 PM

Staind - no problem re the cd - I can make an iso of it, which is safer than zipping contents, assuming you have a cd writer, so you just burn the image.. HOWEVER - the cd itself is 24 megs, and my mail server (and yours probably), wont handle a send of that size.. need a plan 'B'.. maybe if you've a pub ftp, can up the iso image to it..? (if you have or can set up an ftp - mail me private with l/p details and I'll do it no problem..

Dr3w

02-02-2004, 12:01 AM

A lot of guys are talking about the distance from the transmitters, and the speed of radio waves; but you are all forgetting about an important fact. MyWireless uses Non-Line Of Sight (NLOS) technology; this means that you don’t receive one single radio wave; you receive multiple waves – refracted off walls, buildings and hills. This makes it much more difficult to calculate the effects of radio wave speeds vs ping times. If this post is a bit late in your argument – please ignore it!

silversurfer

02-02-2004, 10:20 AM

staind and lone.... please try setup a direct connection between the 2 of u... like a ftp or something, and test the speeds you get, uploading and downloading directly to eachother. What are your locations, if u are on the same tower, i'd like to know if you can burst beyond your 128k limitation.

TrXtR

02-02-2004, 10:40 AM

use IRC ;)

DVDA

02-02-2004, 10:39 PM

LoneGunman and others with MyWireless:

Please can you ping the following for me without using the connection for anything else:

63.240.192.246 (a router near the useast battle.net)
europe.battle.net
asia.battle.net

Maybe the ADSL guys could do it too for comparison's sake?

I wanna play World of Warcraft, so this will help my decision greatly. Thanks guys.

freeek

02-02-2004, 10:55 PM

and useast.battle.net or us.battle.net

..- dot dot dash ;)

DVDA

03-02-2004, 12:42 AM

you cant ping useast. or us. - thats why i included:

63.240.192.246 (a router near the useast battle.net)

LoneGunman

03-02-2004, 08:25 AM

as requested:

C:\>ping 63.240.192.246

Pinging 63.240.192.246 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 63.240.192.246: bytes=32 time=346ms TTL=50
Reply from 63.240.192.246: bytes=32 time=363ms TTL=50
Reply from 63.240.192.246: bytes=32 time=362ms TTL=50
Reply from 63.240.192.246: bytes=32 time=379ms TTL=50

Ping statistics for 63.240.192.246:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 346ms, Maximum = 379ms, Average = 362ms
-------------
C:\>ping europe.battle.net

Pinging europe.battle.net [213.248.106.200] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 213.248.106.200: bytes=32 time=433ms TTL=111
Reply from 213.248.106.200: bytes=32 time=413ms TTL=111
Reply from 213.248.106.200: bytes=32 time=430ms TTL=111
Reply from 213.248.106.200: bytes=32 time=427ms TTL=111

Ping statistics for 213.248.106.200:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 413ms, Maximum = 433ms, Average = 425ms
----------
ping #1
C:\>ping asia.battle.net

Pinging asia.battle.net [211.233.0.49] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 211.233.0.49: bytes=32 time=622ms TTL=110
Reply from 211.233.0.49: bytes=32 time=618ms TTL=110
Reply from 211.233.0.49: bytes=32 time=636ms TTL=110
Reply from 211.233.0.49: bytes=32 time=612ms TTL=110

Ping statistics for 211.233.0.49:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 612ms, Maximum = 636ms, Average = 622ms
and
ping #2
C:\>ping asia.battle.net

Pinging asia.battle.net [211.233.0.53] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 211.233.0.53: bytes=32 time=623ms TTL=110
Reply from 211.233.0.53: bytes=32 time=619ms TTL=110
Reply from 211.233.0.53: bytes=32 time=614ms TTL=109
Reply from 211.233.0.53: bytes=32 time=611ms TTL=109

Ping statistics for 211.233.0.53:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 611ms, Maximum = 623ms, Average = 616ms

thereyago :)

DVDA

03-02-2004, 09:31 AM

Thanks LoneGunman.

Alas, the pings are not good for gaming :~(

I have heard rumours that ADSL has jacked up their service a touch since MyWireless came out. Can any ADSL users confirm this?

One user tells me his ping to 63.240.192.246 is 51ms, to europe.battle.net is 117ms, and to asia.battle.net is 108ms. This sounds ridiculously low. Please can someone with ADSL ping those servers and let me know?

freeek

03-02-2004, 09:49 AM

strange. Pings to the us was the lowest!!

..- dot dot dash ;)

DVDA

03-02-2004, 09:52 AM

Freeek - using most SA connections, useast is usually lowest ping (i.e. fastest), then europe, then asia

TheProven

03-02-2004, 09:53 AM

I have been using ADSL for more than a year now, and like Vie, never reached my 3 gig cap. So the limit is not an issue to me. Being online 24/7 is absolutely marvelous, and the phone bill is set in stone, always just below R1k.

I can confirm that the ADSL service seems faster. I play a lot of "Call of Duty" (new MOHAA), and my ping to the saix server ranges between 9 and 29. Thus very low. It is as good as LAN. In other games that I play like "Unreal Tournament 2003" on mweb, the ping are bewteen 20 and 35. In "RTCW-ET" I get about 25. A ping of 100 to any gaming server is a tad slow for me.

I seldom download below 40k/s, even from international servers. The last week in January I downloaded the "farcry demo" from www.fileshack.com, the 600 megs was on my hard drive in less than 5 hours.

So although I hate a monopoly, telkom's ADSL are delivering in my view.

DVDA

03-02-2004, 10:44 AM

TheProven - can you ping those servers for me?

63.240.192.246 (a router near the useast battle.net)
europe.battle.net
asia.battle.net

GougedEye

03-02-2004, 11:42 AM

Hiya,

1) Yes ADSL has seemed faster the last few weeks.

2) ADSL Pings as requested:

Target (min / average / max)

63.240.192.246 (406 / 435 / 507)
europe.battle.net (453 / 495 / 546)
asia.battle.net (625 / 690 / 747)

These taken at 11:35 in the AM, so they probably better after 9 in the PM but worse around 7 in the PM.

If someone is getting 100ms via adsl to the US then I'm Bill Gates!!!

GougedEye

03-02-2004, 11:50 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DVDA

Maybe the ADSL guys could do it too for comparison's sake?

I wanna play World of Warcraft, so this will help my decision greatly. Thanks guys.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Ok, I play Dark Age of Camelot alot so I can comment on World of Warcraft. Basically Dark Age is unplayable via ADSL except in really off peak times or at month end when the leach monkies are capped. Funny thing is that Dark Age is perfectly and beautifully playabe via ISDN during peak etc. This has more to do with port prioritisation than anything else. Basically ADSL sucks for anything that doesn't like packet loss. Camelot hates packet loss. Just becomes a constant Link Dead fest.

Now as MyWireless isn't doing packet prioritisation it should work the same as ISDN. Especially if they using the IS backbone as has been suggested in these forums. I am fairly optimistic about this but the proof of the pudding .....

Anyhow, I have ordered MyWireless. In fact I ordered it filled in the app etc on the 20th of Jan. My app was approved, credit passed etc last thursday. I currently have the superpremium option which means that not only is it wireless, it is modemless as well. :P

I will let you know how camelot works assuming Sentech ever gets around to sending me a modem.

AcidRaZor

03-02-2004, 12:28 PM

I'm approved and everything too, still no modem, nor no call to tell me I am approved or that the modem will be delivered.......

hmpf, I had to phone THEM to make sure everything is kewl... eish

GougedEye

03-02-2004, 12:34 PM

Thats because your a No One!

sorry, couldn't resist.

AcidRaZor

03-02-2004, 01:24 PM

hehe, yea i know

its a fun nickname....

quote : "leave noone alone..."

hehehe, see [:o)]

DVDA

03-02-2004, 02:53 PM

thanks GougedEye - you da man!

Dr4k

03-02-2004, 03:09 PM

Hey

you know the topic is , First impressions on ure mywireless, well gee.. i would know but sentech havnt delivered after 2 weeks, they phoned me and specifically said, 'you will get it on monday'. Guess what .. they didnt come on monday [:(!] this is getting really annoying, *sigh* gonna phone again and see what happens [xx(]

Dr4k out

GougedEye

03-02-2004, 03:42 PM

At the distinct risk of repeating myself......

Lol, yeah me too. Applied on the 20th and eagerly awaited my modem 3 days later. I reckon they got a massive backlog. Just like when the first cellphons came out and they used up their 6 months supply of handsets in two weeks.

I know this is very frustrating, but lets put it into perspective shall we.

If you get it today and it sucks it won't matter if they gave it to you 5 minutes after you applied. It will still suck and you will still hate them with an undying passion.

If they give it to you today and it rocks, you won't give a damn that it took two weeks to get, because you have it now and it rocks!!

So just chill out, set your watch back to africa time and relax. Nothing you can do about it and working yourself up just upsets you.

After all, you could be getting up in the dark, going to work in the cold, wondering what that pale glowie thing that rarely appears in the sky is and comming home in the dark. But you would have cheap broadband.

I'm not a Sentech fanboy, just realist. When I hurt my head banging it against a brick wall I stop banging it. Both me and the wall feel better for it.

And maybe I'm willing to give them a break as they launch. I want them tossucceed after all.

AcidRaZor

03-02-2004, 03:53 PM

I just want to download porn! [:(]

ajax

03-02-2004, 04:09 PM

hope you're kidding Noone...

Ajax

GougedEye

03-02-2004, 04:22 PM

Lol, without porn there probably wouldn't be an internet.

Porn accounts for like half of Internet traffic. But of course no one downloads porn (except of corse noone). It's always someone else.

I used to audit firewall logs and stuff, cand it's incredible what people do during working hours......

LoneGunman

03-02-2004, 05:25 PM

Well, seeing as everyones so set against porn, I WONT set up a special 'for research purposes only' Pron fserve on a local IRC chan, filled with moist oodles of uplifting material for folks to test their download speeds with :)

Hmm, is it pushing the boundaries of good taste and ethics to maybe start a separate MyWireless and MyADSL 'file-sharing' related topic?

(goes back to seeing if his ping times to local Q3 Mweb servers can drop below 120)

*at any point, at any time, our snipers can drop you. Have a nice day*

ENICMA

04-02-2004, 12:25 AM

Lol hate when I register on a forum and enigma is already taken but anyway....

Using Imaginet and dailing the "digital' pop number in grahamstown I get 170 - 210 ms ping on 64k isdn playing overseas on the official electronic arts bf1942 64 player servers (England) and battlenet (Europe Realm) diablo 2 servers, totally playable but still wondering why siax used to have this ping for a couple of months then went up to 700+

F** Knows why this pop number of them has this low ping and every SINGLE pop number on the 'normal' saix network has a 700+ ping overseas now...*conspiracy theory goes here*

But then again high ping using Sentech = doesnt help me at all when you consider how many games are not available to play locally, my days of downloading pirate software are long gone so uber bandwidth isn't important...just the ping

24/7 with bandwidth that changes with the amount of ppl online + ****ty customer service and a very scary contract = not getting my support sorry [B)]

ENICMA

04-02-2004, 12:27 AM

jgoosen

04-02-2004, 10:58 AM

They Said 3-5 Days for your modem at the moment ....we are at day 8...

Mux

04-02-2004, 11:11 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jgoosen
 They Said 3-5 Days for your modem at the moment ....we are at day 8...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
...are you sure they did not make a typo and meant 35- Days as appose to 3-5 Days?

[:p]

GougedEye

04-02-2004, 11:16 AM

3 - 5 WEEKS?

Thats what it looks like now.

GougedEye

04-02-2004, 11:32 AM

Hahahahaha!!

It could be worse....

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-11-19&res=l

LoneGunman

04-02-2004, 06:20 PM

Okay, Sentech fixed my email - only took ahem around 4 or 5 days of repeated phoning and doing my standard Friendly, Firm and Outraged approach (heh, sounds like the reaction of some women I've known :)

Point being, there seems to be an upward learning curve that they're moving along - now the support techies dont do the 'Are you interested in getting the MyWireless package' as soon as I say I've a problem, they're started to operate like standard ISP staff and assume that the caller actually HAS the damn service and there's a problem. Also, from last week to this week - I've noticed that they call back to advise on status of job problems, very decent of them.

(Way it seems to work is - you complain about 'X' - they try and talk you through the thing - whether its a login prob, or config of pop/smtp things for mail.. if they cant help, they bump it up to 'second level' techies (Presumably these are rocket scientist uber hackers who actually fix things on sys) make sure you ask them for a 'ticket number' (ie: job reference number) then quote this to cut through the poo next time, as they store all the info on system for passing through to the aforementioned Ronin l33t hacker dudes :)

So just store the info for future reference so that you only need to run through your story once when making contact if there's probs..

In other news -
a) dont seem to be able to get lower pings to mweb game servers than 80 - 120 area, so have died rapidly when facing players with 30 ping in Q3.
b) P2P tools like the mywireless route, Bit Torrent is very stable and lets me max out for downloads, ditto Kazaa Lite & Bob Down
c) still no joy with getting into Sentech's news server,(some techies suggest trying infosat and i.s. - as they're roughly in the same structure and food chain but its not much use).. so when folks get their service, start asking for usenet login info, to make Sentech realise there's a part of the net they should be offering which they're not currently..

Anyone know of a good internet broadcasting tool (apart from Shoutcast) - jet audio any use? (Idly looking at rebroadcasting some things locally, just to irritate the IBA.. :)

Deckert

05-02-2004, 12:30 AM

LoneGunman said:

In other news -
...
c) still no joy with getting into Sentech's news server,(some techies suggest trying infosat and i.s. - as they're roughly in the same structure and food chain but its not much use).. so when folks get their service, start asking for usenet login info, to make Sentech realise there's a part of the net they should be offering which they're not currently..


This is something that I would also use. Currently I am using the IS news server which, after their recent upgrade, is the only nntp server in the country that I know of that does not drop articles, no matter what size they are.

The downside of this is that large groups such as the linux and cisco groups tend to get very large (you have to download upwards of 12,000 articles the first time you subscribe to the group).

As an interrim measure, Sentech could very easily set up a nntp proxy to the IS news server and set up an agreement with IS (seeing that they get their bandwidth from there anyway). I just hope the IS news server can cope with such additional loads, since it does get bogged down a bit.

Which news server are you trying/did you try?

When I connect to news.infosat.co.za, I sometimes get a connection. Issue a 'list' command, and you start getting the list of groups, but then the server promptly dies. Subsequent attempts to the server are useless.

--deckert

flashvc

05-02-2004, 07:41 AM

All IS customers can get access to their news server. If the customer's an ISP, then IS normally recommend that the customer get a caching news server for their clients, and they only add this caching news server's IP on the ACL. So if you kick up enough fuss, Sentech will have to comply.

--

LoneGunman

05-02-2004, 01:47 PM

According to the techies I've spoken with, the current 'sentech news server' is near as dammit a 386 or 486, and management havent really done anything to optimize it for usenet use by customers.. according to a helpful techie, a 'job ticket' has been opened with regard to asking re news server, (and apparently other customers have also been asking about this..)
Re which servers, tried news.infosat & news.is. but both either dont respond or simply timeout before any data comes back.. dont quite know the domain structures, but given IS's b/w, I'd imagine their news feed could be quite speedy - that'll do fine for me :)
Searching for 'public' news servers is a painfully slow process, and not permanent - hence the starting to niggle at Sentech to offer this facility..

doorknob

07-02-2004, 09:38 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheProven
 I have been using ADSL for more than a year now, and like Vie, never reached my 3 gig cap. So the limit is not an issue to me. Being online 24/7 is absolutely marvelous, and the phone bill is set in stone, always just below R1k.

So although I hate a monopoly, telkom's ADSL are delivering in my view.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I agree I have also been using it for over a year and never reached my cap except for in December, when I fogrot to turn of Kazaa and had a couple of hundered people download from my machine, over a weekend.

I also believe that Telkom is delivering. (On ADSL)!!

doorknob

07-02-2004, 09:39 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GougedEye
 Hiya,

1) Yes ADSL has seemed faster the last few weeks.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Have to agree on this too!!

Triune

07-02-2004, 11:11 AM

Hi there.

I have noticed a speed decline with my ISDN (64Kbps) for the last two weeks or so. A friend of mine with ISDN 128Kbps told me he noticed the same thing. Anyone else notice this?

Now the interesting thing is that I spoke to a technician at Telkom when I considered getting ADSL a few months ago. He told me that ISDN and ADSL share the same international pipe (64Mbps) and that the ADSL share was about a third of the size of the ISDN pipe...

Me thinks Telkom is trying to impress its current ADSL customers by eating into the ISDN share by increasing the share assigned to ADSL. I wonder if Sentech has anything to do with that.[;)] Of course Telkom could have just spent some money and increased the size of the whole pipe... but Telkom has never done the obvious, smart thing. They would rather negatively impact their existing ISDN customers to try and look competative with Sentech.

By the way, some of those ping times that LoneGunman posted to international sites are better than the pings I got to Star Wars Galaxies servers on the US east coast. My average ping was around 500ms with my ISDN connection, and that is still perfect for an non-FPS MMORPG, like Star Wars Galaxies or World of Warcraft. I found the lack of burstable bandwidth a bigger problem in very crowded areas on SWG. So from what I've seen, non-FPS MMORPGS like SWG, Everquest, DAoC, AO, etc. should fly with Sentech. I am also keen to try World of Warcraft and Dragon Empires when they are released.

Take care.

Joh:3:17: For God sent his Son into the world not to condemn the world; but to save the world through Him.
Ro 10:9 If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord", and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Perdition

07-02-2004, 12:52 PM

Telkom don't have to spend anything to increase the bandwidth as they have ample bandwidth on the SAT-3, however they prefer to assign it to corporate customers who pay a lot more for it.

Jhbgirl

07-02-2004, 04:51 PM

After reading this thread I am sitting here crying. We got the MyWireless modem yesterday. It's standing here on the computer stand looking pretty and that's about it. I have a signal strength of 2 lights on the little indicator thingy. When I try and connect it tells me it's actually only 7% *shrugs* I try to do the registering bit and it just tells me the remote pc isn't responding. I phone tech support and they tell me I need at least 3 out of the four signal indicator lights to connect. That's it. Thank goodness I haven't canceled my isdn yet.

Claymore

07-02-2004, 05:03 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jhbgirl
 After reading this thread I am sitting here crying. We got the MyWireless modem yesterday. It's standing here on the computer stand looking pretty and that's about it. I have a signal strength of 2 lights on the little indicator thingy. When I try and connect it tells me it's actually only 7% *shrugs* I try to do the registering bit and it just tells me the remote pc isn't responding. I phone tech support and they tell me I need at least 3 out of the four signal indicator lights to connect. That's it. Thank goodness I haven't canceled my isdn yet.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

See if you can get a USB extension cable, and move the modem around a bit (upward is better). We have 2 lights when it's on my desk, but 3 on top of my monitor. Well, *had* 3 lights, I should say - it went up to 4 earlier on.

Jhbgirl

07-02-2004, 08:32 PM

We've been all over our house, inside and out...up and down...it doesn't get better than the 2 lights :( I reckon it should at least be able to connect with that, don't you think?

5 minutes later : I look up and there is 3 lights on! Still can't connect though :( Tells me it's at 11%? How can 3 out of 4 lights represent 11%?

Sentech isn't answering their tech support line...*sigh*

Karnaugh

07-02-2004, 11:33 PM

jhbgirl, sounds like you're in a bit of a hard place - either you can wait and see if Sentech increases their coverage soon, or try organise an antenna.

Problem being you should get it sorted before the 14day trial period is up. If it isnt already..

<hr noshade size="1">
"Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak."

NetLink Research

Jhbgirl

08-02-2004, 07:21 AM

We will try to get antenna asap. Hopefully that will work. Still can't connect to even register.

flashvc

08-02-2004, 10:21 AM

Karnaugh, What 14day trial period is this??

Jhbgirl, what did the coverage website say when you checked?

--

Jhbgirl

08-02-2004, 10:36 AM

It was partial when we checked, so we phoned them prior to applying and asked if a partial would work and they assured us it would.

Karnaugh

08-02-2004, 11:51 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by flashvc
 Karnaugh, What 14day trial period is this??
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Apparently if you arnt satisfied after 14 days you can cancel the contract and return the modem. Could be wrong, this is what I heard.

<hr noshade size="1">
"Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak."

NetLink Research

LoneGunman

08-02-2004, 01:41 PM

An odd little question which one of the techies threw at me at some point, when I was having brief bouts of dropped connections, was 'Are you by a freeway' - the idea being that cars or engines in general might cause some degree of interference to account for the drops. Havent had any in a day or two, so it either was EM interference, or simply them futzing on the network without telling the techies..
Being a longtime shortwave/CB radio geek it occurs that the following maybe wouldnt hurt - I'm not suggesting wrapping the module in tin foil or getting aluminum beanies for the family to wear - but if there's a reception prob, it might be worthwhile just to see what's nearby that might be causing interference, either in the home itself, or if you're near a cellphone mast/freeway/ham radio fan/community radio station/electronics company/overhead powerlines etc..just to eliminate this possibility.. (most of the above will increase your likelhood of getting cancer anyway, so it probably might be useful to look out the window :P )
(before anyone starts flaming,
http://www.latitudes.org/articles/electrical_sensitivity_articles.html
http://www.powerlinefacts.com/
cell phone masts and school health: http://www.sprintoffschools.com/
Powerlines in buildings Hazardous to Health -http://www.geocities.com/electricalconcerns/ElectromagneticFieldsAreHazardous.html
cell fone mast radiation: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/faderuk//Health/Concerns/Why_Worry/why_worry.html
http://www.nzine.co.nz/features/emr_expert1_revised.html
http://www.bewisepolarize.com/man-made%20emf%20sources.htm
rat brains and cell phones: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/medicine/article/0%2C12543%2C573349%2C00.html
:P

Sliver

08-02-2004, 02:09 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Karnaugh
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by flashvc
 Karnaugh, What 14day trial period is this??
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Apparently if you arnt satisfied after 14 days you can cancel the contract and return the modem. Could be wrong, this is what I heard.

<hr noshade size="1">
"Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak."

NetLink Research
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This is partially correct. You do have a 14 day trial period, but you cannot cancel for anything other than terrible signal. If your signal is bad enough for you not to get connectivity you are entitled to call them, they will send a techie out to you and test the signal, if the techie deems it to be terrible you can cancel your contract.

freeek

08-02-2004, 04:15 PM

LoneGunman: Can you rather post some of these things, 2 much effort to read all of those sites!!

..- dot dot dash ;)

Jhbgirl

08-02-2004, 05:49 PM

We finally got a reply from Sentech. They said if we have a partial signal it doesn't matter how many signal indicator lights we have lit on the modem, it isn't necesarily going to work. He said we can try a patch antenna, that "should" work. So on and on we go...

SK33T

08-02-2004, 09:57 PM

This is again why I said wait six monthshttp://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1447

Karnaugh

08-02-2004, 10:04 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SK33T
 This is again why I said wait six monthshttp://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1447
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An "I told you so" attitude has no usefull purpose. Try and be helpfull.

<hr noshade size="1">
"Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak."

NetLink Research

freeek

08-02-2004, 11:17 PM

Earliar today I done a quick ping test on a wireless service being offered(not Sentech). It's R399 a month 64k connection. optimized bandwidth after 5pm to 7am.

I didn't have much time, but I ping reason.za.net (local warcraft server) I pinged it 5 times. Results:

avg:108, 0% packet loss
avg: 93, 0% packet loss
avg:135, 25% packet loss
avg: 63, 0% packet loss

there was another one arnd there 2, can't remember. When I had it at my home I was not wise and did not know abt pinging sites but tried to play warcraft(reason server) and got unreal pings jumping from 90 to 3500. It was highly unstable but from what I can see here is that they have improved. Could I still be wrong?

..- dot dot dash ;)

Claymore

09-02-2004, 08:46 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jhbgirl
 We finally got a reply from Sentech. They said if we have a partial signal it doesn't matter how many signal indicator lights we have lit on the modem, it isn't necesarily going to work. He said we can try a patch antenna, that "should" work. So on and on we go...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I'm in a partial area, and have signal. Whereabouts are you? It may be worth seeing if you can try to test an antenna and see if it works.

ajax

09-02-2004, 08:51 AM

Jhbgirl,

I found my pc to be cause of interference on the Worldspace satellite radio system which is on 1.4 GHz. The radio uses a little patch antenna which you point at the satellite thru your window. I found it did not work as long as my pc was within 2 m from the antenna. So maybe try a longer cable or move the modem (antenna) as far away from the pc as possible.
Perhaps wrap your pc in tin foil? Would look a little silly, but it might be a very cheap solution![:D]

I also found the higher the clock speed on your pc, the higher the range in frequencies it interferes with.

Ajax.

AcidRaZor

09-02-2004, 08:53 AM

Or you could shell out the cash and get an EMP protected PC... [:D]

SK33T

09-02-2004, 09:11 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">An "I told you so" attitude has no usefull purpose. Try and be helpfull.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I was trying to be helpful,If I remember you said something about me enjoying the stone age.Well now u can eat your own words as exacly what I said to be careful for is happening right now.

AcidRaZor

09-02-2004, 09:44 AM

Actually, the total opposite is happening, we're just making YOU believe that there so many problems to give us the best bandwidth until you realise what we're doing and signing up yourself, you little bandwidth hogger you! [;)] [:p]

SK33T

09-02-2004, 09:52 AM

[:)]

crashedboeing

09-02-2004, 10:42 AM

Have to share LoneGunman's experience. These ppl at Sentech have no idea how to do business. I applied on 20 Jan and 20 days later still no word from them... I am sure they hired a bunch of x telkom employees... I am starting to think "better the devil you know"

LoneGunman

09-02-2004, 11:08 AM

re the wrapping PC in aluminum and/or EM shielding - there I was thinking I was just being my usual conspiracy-freak self, and the shielding aspect may play a useful part :)

now I come to think of it, Im on a flatscreen LCD monitor, the module's a foot to the left of it - and battery operated radio to the right - in the past, I couldnt listen to radio because of the massive interference from the oldstyle monitor - so perhaps some experimentation might be in order, for folks who cant seem to get enough signal.. Just in case the dirty fuzz sig from the monitor is crowding/blocking the module..
(I've got all bars green, but the actual sig strength seems to sit on 46% percent - and when its running, the 'modem' software just shows nothing - no signal visible at all, so dont be fooled into thinking that because there's no sig visible, that you're not online..
(That would be really funny, sitting online for days unaware of it and forever phoning the techie support and complaining :)

I have to say that - once you have the service up and running, and the mail pops and smtp's done and all the various login stuff sorted out - they're the best kind of internet business ie: they leave you alone :) No marketing dpt calls, no unsolicited 'newsletters'..I dont tell em what Im doing, and they dont ask.. So far, so good :)

Jhbgirl

09-02-2004, 07:17 PM

Okay, we contacted Fastcomm today about a antenna. They said it will only be available end of Feb, but they lent us a prototype of the antenna which we tried this evening. We received no signal with the antenna. It was worse than without it. So tomorrow the modem is going back and Sentech is history for now. We shouldn't have to battle so much.

freeek

09-02-2004, 09:05 PM

Aah shame, that just sucks. My friend had a similar problem with the not so legal wireless companies here, all his neighbours could signal but he couldn't. Some times wiresless just doesn't like you!

..- dot dot dash ;)

Rayy

09-02-2004, 10:55 PM

WoW

Every 1 that wan t there Internet Has a problem with them how long do u ppl think it will take thiem to come out to my house to see if i can even get there serves?[?]

Rayy

ajax

10-02-2004, 07:10 AM

Jhbgirl,

Sorry to hear you couldn't get a signal with the prototype. But I am sure either the antenna was faulty or you guys did not test it properly. Those antennas are custom designed and must give you a MUCH better signal, specially if you put them outside and pointed to the nearest tower. Did you try maybe a couple of towers? Even though some of them may be further from you, if it is line of sight it might work better than one thinks.

Ajax

LoneGunman

10-02-2004, 05:58 PM

One little negative that's starting to bug me re Sentech - is the absence of Usenet - they say in their PR something to the effect that they allow/supply access to all internet applications - well Usenet isnt among them. Therefore, a FIGHT!

I spoke to a brain dead female who clearly was too incompetent to last long at Telkom, who first put me on hold while she presumably went to find out what 'Usenet' and 'newsgroups' are - then came back and told me "We dont supply that as part of our My Wireless package"
"Oh really" I say. "Yes" says the zombie. After a long pause during which she would have been fired twice from a first world tech support company for a sullen silence, I decide to have fun with the living dead and ask 'Why not?' There's another long silence, and I can smell the ex-Telkom employee sitting there, chewing vetkoek, picking her nose and scowling at this irritating person who thinks that because he's a customer, he can interrupt her quiet time at the office. Her brain explodes and she just repeats "We dont supply that as part of our My Wireless package" I restrain myself from asking her if she's just learned to walk erect and is wondering about The Secret of Fire, and ask for the Supervisor (a useful route) After more on-hold stuff, I reach Mister X, who knows me and my charmingly psychotic persistence (which I've referred to previously here) - upshot is that Yes, Sentech need to do something about setting up a news server, and yes, they're getting a LOT of calls about their news server, and he'll call me tomorrow (and believe me, he KNOWS I'll call him if he doesnt)

So we may yet get newsgroup access (which could be very sweet, given the speeds and the possible linkage to is.co.za's fabled news server)

So could any present customers of Sentech, or awaiting customers, have themselves a whole bunch of cheerful sadistic fun, by first phoning the call centre and asking
a) whats the news server address (then)
b) why dont you have one? (then)
c) say something along the lines of
'You advertise the supplying of use of all common and popular internet applications in your public relations material online - why have you forgotten about Usenet and newsgroups?'
(wait for the stammering answer)
then
d) strike fear in the techie by asking their name (and then)
e) ask to be put through to one of the supervisors on shift, and repeat the process with the supervisor and request that they log this query for a working newsgroup server..
f) ask them for a reference number, and/or the name and/or phone number of the person they're sending this onto..
then continue chasing each new person for as long as it remains fun :)

Ultimately, Sentech forgetting about Usenet for its MyWireless customers, yet saying they're supplying all the popular things available for Internet use, means a) they're lying or b) more likely - SOMEONE FORGOT TO SET IT UP..

So go nuts now if you're a customer or soon-to-be-customer, especially if you use the newsgroups for anything, because once you're on the Sentech domain, you have no access to the groups you previously enjoyed and cant relay into your previous ISP's server..

*LoneZilla stomps off through downtown Tokyo, knocking over buildings and breathing fire* :)

MOnk

10-02-2004, 09:19 PM

Ok, not saying they should not have that stuff, but really do we need to bug them about that stuff right now when they have more important stuff to do like PROCESS APLICATIONS :P I think they have enough problems going the basics atm that Usenet is just not a priority. Rather spend you time bugging them about how long it takes to process aplications :P

LoneGunman

10-02-2004, 09:48 PM

Lonezilla pauses in shaking people out of a railway carriage, hurls the carriage into the side of a building, breathes fire, stops and thinks for a bit, then says "hmm, you're right - you have a point' :)

Perdition

10-02-2004, 10:17 PM

Agreed, though I can't imagine it would take a (one) person more than a few days to sort this issue out. Rather than give people the runaround they could have just addressed it immediately.

ProAsm

10-02-2004, 10:23 PM

ahhh so you are the guy that enquired about newsgroups.
As I said before, currently we have everyone out 24/7 getting new sites up for the many who want just a connection, thus leaving the support group very thin on the ground.
We were way up a tower in the howling wind when a call came through about someone wanting information on newsgroups.
Well I dont know what the lady said to you but I doubt if it was what I told her to say to you [}:)]

Deckert

10-02-2004, 11:31 PM

I would be the other guy that asked about access to news groups. :-)

I'm not worried for the moment since I can bounce NNTP through another server, but eventually there should be dedicated server/proxy fot nntp.

I recall when we launched the first POP in the North West province back in 1995, we had a few lines that could be used for dial-in, but the parent ISP (wisely) insisted that we wait till we had enough lines to satisfy demands and not dampen user expectation.

This is a good path to follow, but often the more difficult one and definitely the one that marketeers ignore.

--deckert

freeek

11-02-2004, 12:35 AM

seriously a news server? I really don't see why this should be a priority any time soon. Primary:Connectivity Secondary:Stability Tertiary: All other ****(news servers and other services)

..- dot dot dash ;)

flashvc

11-02-2004, 12:52 AM

I agree freeek [:D]

Unless I'm mistaken, I remember LoneGunman from the megawan days (Shahn? ) - Appologies if I'm wrong.....
Also wanted an NNTP server [;)]

--

LoneGunman

11-02-2004, 06:36 AM

apology accepted, you have me mixed up..

but I should say that there's nothing wrong with wanting newsgroups regardless - you make it sound like Im after sheep dipped in mayonaisse wearing latex :P - when actually as an active customer of Sentech, I'm after the basic standard package which tends to include newsgroups generally.

I do get that its real low on the priorities of the folks who dont even have the service yet, but hey, me and my LoneZilla monster suit are just stomping around ahead of the pack briefly - but again I figure someone needs to be shouting about the next step down the road that Sentech need to take - otherwise they may not take it at all.

(By the way, another issue which hasnt been mentioned anywhere, but I'll throw out into the mix - is their mail server.. I sent mail out to a local ISP, and it took two and a half hours to arrive. Time for encryption software? I'll cut n paste a suitably censored header.
--------------------------------------
Return-Path: <xxxx@sentechsa.co.za>
Delivered-To: xxxxxx@artslink.co.za
Received: from av.dial-up.net (av2.dial-up.net [196.4.160.49])
by visp02.dial-up.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D21215195
for <xxxxx@artslink.co.za>; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:42:29 +0200 (SAST)
Received: from mailout01.infosat.net ([66.18.69.1])
by av.dial-up.net (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ;
Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:17:08 +0200 (SAST)
Received: from [66.18.70.54] (HELO mail01.infosat.net)
by mail02.infosat.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8)
with ESMTP id 43970298 for info@artslink.co.za; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:29:31
+0200
Received: from [66.18.85.66] (HELO barbie)
by mail01.infosat.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8)
with SMTP id 231075699 for info@artslink.co.za; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:29:30
+0200
Message-ID: <001401c3efd0$ea53c3a0$42551242@barbie>
From: "xxxxxx" <xxxx@sentechsa.co.za>
To: "Artslink.co.za" <xxx@artslink.co.za>
Subject: ahoy
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:25:05 +0200

Check out the above
sent by you 14:25:05
infosat 14:29:30
infosat 14:29:31
arrived here 17:17:08
downloaded 17:42:29

what was infosat doing with it from 14:29:31 till 17:17:08 ?!

-------------------------------end email
(And yes, I called my PC 'barbie' after the latest format :) I was tired of calling it 'HAL' - figured some gender tourism was needed :P

beerygaz

11-02-2004, 03:55 PM

NNTP is an essential service on the Internet! I will join the crusade for NNTP services. In fact, IS are probably better off allowing access to their server in the interim, as Sentech get their upstream from IS. Maybe I shall have a chat to a few IS boys to see what can be arranged.

"non illegitimo carburndum" Gunman (Don't let the bastards grind you down)

flashvc

11-02-2004, 11:42 PM

IS won't allow a full IP block onto their NNTP server, but they will allow a few IPs...which are normally downstream caching NNTP servers at the 2nd/3rd tier ISPs

It's really a simple thing to do, all Sentech has to do is ASK [:)]

--

Claymore

12-02-2004, 08:17 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by flashvc
 IS won't allow a full IP block onto their NNTP server, but they will allow a few IPs...which are normally downstream caching NNTP servers at the 2nd/3rd tier ISPs

It's really a simple thing to do, all Sentech has to do is ASK [:)]

--

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

And have a server, of course.

neobyte

13-02-2004, 09:12 AM

I remember the days when Telkom sold the ADSL service uncapped. Now, does anyone know if Sentech has actually stipulated that they will not impose a cap in the future. Is this in the contract? If not, legally they could cap you!

Anyones opinion?

silversurfer

13-02-2004, 09:35 AM

how bout noone's opionion

AcidRaZor

13-02-2004, 09:45 AM

They state no cap, not in the contract though, I don't think they'll impose one, however, they will enfore their AUP

The One

13-02-2004, 01:07 PM

Ok ive read what u guys posted on the forum so far... but is mywireless good or not?... im currently using 128k isdn from Cpt and i get pings 40 - 80ms local <depends on server> and 280 - 310ms internationals using a cpt pop with IWDS... now this is all fine with me... but im looking for a 24/7 connection <callmore is too short> and faster download speeds... i currently get 14kb/s - 16 kb/s...

Now ... im looking at 256k mywireless cause i figure it will be cheaper than wot im spending currently and faster downloads and hopefully lower pings plus 24/7 connection...

But my main concern is LoneGunmans pings on 128k mywireless... those pings are a tad high... and this is only the begining ...

Is there any other comments on mywireless with some sort of experience that can prove this to be a good service ??? ...

freeek

12-03-2004, 11:40 PM

how did you guys paste your ping results? How do u copy it from a command promt?(cmd). Im on Wireless Onlines 128k service and all i can say is wOw. 29 ping on cs(saix server) life is great!

..- dot dot dash ;)

gripen

12-03-2004, 11:48 PM

I think it is actually possible to copy and paste from cmd.exe

rather do this though:

(assuming you are in Windows)
ping 196.25.1.200 -t > pings.txt

wait about 30 seconds then press Ctrl+C or Ctrl-Break
The Ctrl-Break breaks out of the sequence temporarily to show running averages and stats. Not much use when piping to file.

Its quite easy actually :p

I just ran a ping and here are some results (copy-and-paste from pings.txt)

Pinging 196.25.1.200 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=85ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=250
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=250

<snip>

Ping statistics for 196.25.1.200:
Packets: Sent = 86, Received = 86, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 70ms, Maximum = 110ms, Average = 80ms

Anybody tried an inter-Sentech ping yet? ie. MyWi user to MyWi user?

nroets

13-03-2004, 12:22 AM

You can ping jean-louis.is-a-geek.com, once you get your modem [;)]

freeek

13-03-2004, 01:03 AM

I was playing warcraft on reason and had a 53 ping while dl'ing at 6k
in kazaa freaking awesome. Wireless Online rocks.

Pinging 196.25.1.200 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=249

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=249

Ping statistics for 196.25.1.200:

Packets: Sent = 13, Received = 13, Lost = 0 (0% loss),

Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:

Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 33ms, Average = 19ms

Control-C

..- dot dot dash ;)