Staind
03-02-2004, 07:33 PM
i hope this doesn't piss off to many people but telkom are launching BlueTooth wireless internet in march sometime, they testing it at the moment. anyone got any more info?
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GougedEye
03-02-2004, 07:40 PM
Lol,
"Telkom are ......"
Heard all I need to.
No thanks
"Telkom are ......"
Heard all I need to.
No thanks
Perdition
03-02-2004, 08:08 PM
Bluetooth has a range of about 10m... I would love to see how Telkom accomplishes a wireless internet product with this!
onionpeel
03-02-2004, 10:49 PM
Keep that one for April Fool's day [:o)]
freeek
03-02-2004, 11:30 PM
I heard that telkom were releasing their own wireless product. Blue tooth? Blue tooth cards for the pc are cheap!! R400 hmmm lets wait and see
..- dot dot dash ;)
..- dot dot dash ;)
Perdition
04-02-2004, 01:44 AM
Before any confusion sets in, BlueTooth is intended for very short range communication i.e. it was created so devices like cell phones and PDAs can communicate with similarly enabled devices within the immediate area (roughly a 10 meter radius) without the need to connect to a network. The point of this is that unless Telkom placed the "base station" right next to you, there would be no hope of connecting.
Staind, where did you hear about this?
Staind, where did you hear about this?
freeek
04-02-2004, 09:08 AM
I DON'T think its bluetooth, A friend of mine was told by a telkom employee not to take adsl out. He said there was some new wireless thing coming soon. He wasn't very clear
..- dot dot dash ;)
..- dot dot dash ;)
flashvc
04-02-2004, 10:00 AM
The new revision of Bluetooth will have the same range as Wi-Fi (100m with no external antenna). But it still runs in the 2.4GHz range, which means interference.
I seriously doubt telkom would provide such a service unless it's on a licensed band ala Sentech.
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I seriously doubt telkom would provide such a service unless it's on a licensed band ala Sentech.
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armitage
04-02-2004, 12:05 PM
Typical monopoly reaction. competitor on the market and now telkom releases a service that they probably would have released if there wasnt any
Proud South african rip offs.
Proud South african rip offs.
ckleynhans
04-02-2004, 12:28 PM
I imagine the Bluetooth will sit on the user interface side, i.e. you may have access to it with your cellphone or PDA without using wires. The other side will have to use some other form of technology such as 3G. Except if Telkom spell Bluetooth differently! (Maybe their new name for ADSL)[;)]
slawrz
04-02-2004, 02:10 PM
I agree one would never be able to use BlueTooth for such a service it's virtually impossible and definitely not practical.
mithrandi
04-02-2004, 03:18 PM
Dude, give me some of what you're smoking, because that's some good ****.
mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor, a faer Ambar
mithrandi, i Ainil en-Balandor, a faer Ambar
armitage
04-02-2004, 03:40 PM
this is so stupid.
imagine the base stations that have 2 be set up. SA would join the countries that have structures visible from space. cars would become obsolete also cause there's nowhere to drive cause of the base stations being everywhere.
though knowing telkom for them this is breakneck technology.
Proud South african rip offs.
imagine the base stations that have 2 be set up. SA would join the countries that have structures visible from space. cars would become obsolete also cause there's nowhere to drive cause of the base stations being everywhere.
though knowing telkom for them this is breakneck technology.
Proud South african rip offs.
caroper
04-02-2004, 07:42 PM
No you got it wrong, easy mistake, it is called the "Gold Tooth" internet service, because, you will have to sell your grand mothers gold teeth in order to afford it.[:D]
Cheers
Chris
Cheers
Chris
PURE
04-02-2004, 08:09 PM
I know a guy from Telkom
I remmber a while back he was pissed off, becuase they were testing
wireless internet system, and he could'nt be a tester due to the hill between him and the tower.
I did'nt press him at the time for more info, for I knew he took the CP serious.
He has tested satalite telephones and adsl for telkom.
So if he did mention there must be some truth to the story, but I doubt it's blue tooth the techology was not designed to do what you saying.
I remmber a while back he was pissed off, becuase they were testing
wireless internet system, and he could'nt be a tester due to the hill between him and the tower.
I did'nt press him at the time for more info, for I knew he took the CP serious.
He has tested satalite telephones and adsl for telkom.
So if he did mention there must be some truth to the story, but I doubt it's blue tooth the techology was not designed to do what you saying.
ckleynhans
04-02-2004, 09:29 PM
Bluetooth works on an Ad Hoc network principal. You don't really require a basestation, every bluetooth device acts as a relay point for comms and if yours is dormant on your own use, it can get used by somebody else. Thus, if all the bluetooth terminals are spread dense enough you can relay comms without basestations. You do need your entry points or gateways to the bigger network of course.
Staind
05-02-2004, 08:07 PM
ok well obviously no1 else works for telkom here :P good test hehe no but the dewd said they working with icasa and sheet and they have licences and it works similar i think to sentech not 100% but it does use something that goes on your roof :) maybe the bluetooth part is what the 1 dewd said about the new revised version, maybe someone can do some research on the internet and find out ..
georgestrydom
06-02-2004, 07:31 PM
Perhaps this is what he is talking about.
What is T-Zone?
T-Zone is Telkom's HotSpot service that provides wireless data service making use of 802.11b (WiFi) technology. This service is now available on a trial basis. Any user with a wireless enabled computer can connect to the T-Zone service while in the coverage area and register online for a limited free trial. ADSL users with an ADSL Internet account can get also access to their ADSL account with the standard interface client through the Telkom HotSpots. See a list of sites below.
What are the benefits of T-Zone?
Wireless data access can provide you with connectivity while away from the office
Standardised technology like the 802.11b will allow users to benefit from economies of scale to get access through the most popular wireless LAN interface technology
A national roll out of T-Zones will allow users to connect from any of the T-Zone HotSpots by making use of the same account and configuration
The user will experience an "always available" connection similar to ADSL while in a T-Zone
During the trial there will be no charge for the T-Zone wireless access service
What does the T-Zone service consist of?
Wireless data connection from the user's computer (Notebook with ADSL required client)
Downstream speed: up to 512Kbps
Upstream speed: up to 256Kbps
Service guarantee: No guarantee of service or throughput during the trial period
Customer equipment requirements: A computer with an 802.11b wireless network interface properly installed and a valid ADSL Internet subscription. Set the SSID of the wireless network card to "telkom"
Requirements to take part in the T-Zone trial:
Have an 802.11b (WiFi) equipped/enabled notebook computer
Set the SSID of the wireless network card to "telkom"
Be within the coverage area of a T-Zone HotSpot
Support
What should I do if I experience a problem connecting to a T-Zone?
Support is only a phone call away. Please dial 0800089663 (08000 TZONE)
Frequently Asked Questions
What is WiFi? It is an acronym for "Wireless Fidelity" . This is a description of a standardised technology (802.11b) that allows wireless networking
What is a HotSpot? A HotSpot is a place where you can find access to a wireless service for free or for a fee. During the T-Zone trial the access will be free. These HotSpots can be found at venues like Hotels, Conference centres, Shopping Malls, Airports etc. See list below and updates on the website for the active T-Zone sites
Is WiFi the same as Bluetooth? No. Bluetooth devices work on a different technical protocol than WiFi (802.11b or Wireless LAN / WLAN) A Bluetooth device can therefore not connect to a WiFi / 802.11b network such as T-Zone
How do I connect to a T-Zone (or HotSpot)? Wireless networks are identified by their SSID (Service Set Identifier). Your computer must be set to the same SSID as the network. This can be done via a configuration setting or by picking from an available list, depending on your device and operating system. For Telkom's T-Zone the SSID is "telkom"
What do I need to connect to the Telkom Tzone? You must have a computer with a wireless network card installed. The wireless network card must be a 802.11b (WiFi) network card
What can I do at a Telkom T-Zone? After you have logged on to the service you have access to the Internet. If you are an ADSL user you can connect to your ADSL Internet account with your existing ADSL username and password using the same client software as normal.
Do I need to change settings on my computer? There must be no "Proxy" configured on your computer. This setting can normally be checked in your browser's configuration
Note:
During this trial of T-Zone the service will be provided as a best effort in terms of throughput and availability.
T-Zone is an access product and the actual perceived speed of data throughput is a function of your ISP and the World Wide Web.
ADSL users logging in with their ADSL accounts will accrue data towards their normal account
During the trial run of T-Zone there will be no guarantees in terms of service availability or throughput.
In general changes to the network will be communicated through this web site to keep you informed.
Where to find T-Zones
T-Zone HotSpots and the provisioning of bandwidth to the site are installed, maintained and managed by Telkom at it's own cost during the trial. The selection of sites are based on the perceived business benefit of having a T-Zone HotSpot in a specific location, the availability of technology to activate a site and the willingness of the facility owner to participate.
T-Zone Sites
What is T-Zone?
T-Zone is Telkom's HotSpot service that provides wireless data service making use of 802.11b (WiFi) technology. This service is now available on a trial basis. Any user with a wireless enabled computer can connect to the T-Zone service while in the coverage area and register online for a limited free trial. ADSL users with an ADSL Internet account can get also access to their ADSL account with the standard interface client through the Telkom HotSpots. See a list of sites below.
What are the benefits of T-Zone?
Wireless data access can provide you with connectivity while away from the office
Standardised technology like the 802.11b will allow users to benefit from economies of scale to get access through the most popular wireless LAN interface technology
A national roll out of T-Zones will allow users to connect from any of the T-Zone HotSpots by making use of the same account and configuration
The user will experience an "always available" connection similar to ADSL while in a T-Zone
During the trial there will be no charge for the T-Zone wireless access service
What does the T-Zone service consist of?
Wireless data connection from the user's computer (Notebook with ADSL required client)
Downstream speed: up to 512Kbps
Upstream speed: up to 256Kbps
Service guarantee: No guarantee of service or throughput during the trial period
Customer equipment requirements: A computer with an 802.11b wireless network interface properly installed and a valid ADSL Internet subscription. Set the SSID of the wireless network card to "telkom"
Requirements to take part in the T-Zone trial:
Have an 802.11b (WiFi) equipped/enabled notebook computer
Set the SSID of the wireless network card to "telkom"
Be within the coverage area of a T-Zone HotSpot
Support
What should I do if I experience a problem connecting to a T-Zone?
Support is only a phone call away. Please dial 0800089663 (08000 TZONE)
Frequently Asked Questions
What is WiFi? It is an acronym for "Wireless Fidelity" . This is a description of a standardised technology (802.11b) that allows wireless networking
What is a HotSpot? A HotSpot is a place where you can find access to a wireless service for free or for a fee. During the T-Zone trial the access will be free. These HotSpots can be found at venues like Hotels, Conference centres, Shopping Malls, Airports etc. See list below and updates on the website for the active T-Zone sites
Is WiFi the same as Bluetooth? No. Bluetooth devices work on a different technical protocol than WiFi (802.11b or Wireless LAN / WLAN) A Bluetooth device can therefore not connect to a WiFi / 802.11b network such as T-Zone
How do I connect to a T-Zone (or HotSpot)? Wireless networks are identified by their SSID (Service Set Identifier). Your computer must be set to the same SSID as the network. This can be done via a configuration setting or by picking from an available list, depending on your device and operating system. For Telkom's T-Zone the SSID is "telkom"
What do I need to connect to the Telkom Tzone? You must have a computer with a wireless network card installed. The wireless network card must be a 802.11b (WiFi) network card
What can I do at a Telkom T-Zone? After you have logged on to the service you have access to the Internet. If you are an ADSL user you can connect to your ADSL Internet account with your existing ADSL username and password using the same client software as normal.
Do I need to change settings on my computer? There must be no "Proxy" configured on your computer. This setting can normally be checked in your browser's configuration
Note:
During this trial of T-Zone the service will be provided as a best effort in terms of throughput and availability.
T-Zone is an access product and the actual perceived speed of data throughput is a function of your ISP and the World Wide Web.
ADSL users logging in with their ADSL accounts will accrue data towards their normal account
During the trial run of T-Zone there will be no guarantees in terms of service availability or throughput.
In general changes to the network will be communicated through this web site to keep you informed.
Where to find T-Zones
T-Zone HotSpots and the provisioning of bandwidth to the site are installed, maintained and managed by Telkom at it's own cost during the trial. The selection of sites are based on the perceived business benefit of having a T-Zone HotSpot in a specific location, the availability of technology to activate a site and the willingness of the facility owner to participate.
T-Zone Sites
mithrandi
06-02-2004, 08:31 PM
Oh, the Telkom Wireless Hotspot thing is old news...
Nemesis
07-02-2004, 03:51 PM
ROFL @ telkom releasing a wireless service, that thing will be capped, I mean get real, this is Telkom we talking about...
atmosphere
09-03-2004, 11:14 AM
I'm using the T-Zone thing in the Sandton Convention Centre - it's pretty impressive actually... not THAT fast - only about 30-35kbps down, and latency isn't that great (but then that's pretty normal for wifi 802.11b anyway)
I average about 200mb per hour. And because you only have 2 hours of access - you have to re-register - then you get another 2 hours at the same speed.
It's free atm - but I can't imagine what ridiculous price they'll be asking.
Esp seeing that they're telkom and that there has been Wifi at SA aiports for quite some time for about R30/30mins or something.
but while it's free....
[:D][:D][:D]
I average about 200mb per hour. And because you only have 2 hours of access - you have to re-register - then you get another 2 hours at the same speed.
It's free atm - but I can't imagine what ridiculous price they'll be asking.
Esp seeing that they're telkom and that there has been Wifi at SA aiports for quite some time for about R30/30mins or something.
but while it's free....
[:D][:D][:D]
lewstherin
09-03-2004, 12:45 PM
Hotspots are a joke as long as the law forbids everyone but Telkom from being able to set them up...Hellkom's implementation is more like hot snot [:D]
If it weren't for the ruling by ICASA (also known as Hellkom's beyatch) that wireless networks cannot pass property lines, roads etc, this country would be rocking with commercial WLANs all over the place...
As to the bluetooth thing mentioned...duh, obviously Hellkom wants to use it - its in line with their usual policy of stuffing up cool ideas by delivering miserably...Hellkom ADSL anyone [:p]
** How can Telkom claim to "Touch Tomorrow" when it can barely touch yesterday?
Because they're a BIG, GREEDY, MONOPOLY intent on keeping South Africa in the stone age. **
If it weren't for the ruling by ICASA (also known as Hellkom's beyatch) that wireless networks cannot pass property lines, roads etc, this country would be rocking with commercial WLANs all over the place...
As to the bluetooth thing mentioned...duh, obviously Hellkom wants to use it - its in line with their usual policy of stuffing up cool ideas by delivering miserably...Hellkom ADSL anyone [:p]
** How can Telkom claim to "Touch Tomorrow" when it can barely touch yesterday?
Because they're a BIG, GREEDY, MONOPOLY intent on keeping South Africa in the stone age. **
Karnaugh
09-03-2004, 02:15 PM
Bluetooth? ROFL!
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TadMadLad
09-03-2004, 02:48 PM
Lets not think this completely obsurd.
I didnt read all the long responses... so excuse me if i repeat info that another said.
2 technologies came out at the same time, wman and pman (if i remember correctly), one was wireless and as we got to know the mywireless, the other was bluetooth based which allowed for up to 250 people per hotspot, and streaming video on each of them.
a blue tooth network on the other hand, whta we mostly know, is a PAN, personal area network. wide area network WAN, local area network LAN, this is more like a wireless network for a one subnet LAN that is wireless as far as i understood.
not far fetched, and not unworkable, but not widely accepted from what i understand but still good tech.
its not bad, its just different
i am recalling this from my old brain , so excuse me if i have a few things crossed.
I didnt read all the long responses... so excuse me if i repeat info that another said.
2 technologies came out at the same time, wman and pman (if i remember correctly), one was wireless and as we got to know the mywireless, the other was bluetooth based which allowed for up to 250 people per hotspot, and streaming video on each of them.
a blue tooth network on the other hand, whta we mostly know, is a PAN, personal area network. wide area network WAN, local area network LAN, this is more like a wireless network for a one subnet LAN that is wireless as far as i understood.
not far fetched, and not unworkable, but not widely accepted from what i understand but still good tech.
its not bad, its just different
i am recalling this from my old brain , so excuse me if i have a few things crossed.
flashvc
09-03-2004, 03:43 PM
All Bluetooth really is, is frequency hopping at 2.4GHz
If the radio puts out enough power, great distances are possible. Especially with Directional equipment.....
BUT
This goes against everything what Bluetooth was designed for, and should then not be called Bluetooth anymore.
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If the radio puts out enough power, great distances are possible. Especially with Directional equipment.....
BUT
This goes against everything what Bluetooth was designed for, and should then not be called Bluetooth anymore.
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sneaky
10-03-2004, 12:45 PM
wifi to modem. bluetooth from modem to pc... dont see it working any other way.
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Must think happy thoughts about the antenna!!!
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Must think happy thoughts about the antenna!!!
TheRoDent
11-03-2004, 04:17 AM
The only thing "going over airwaves" that Telkom has going are their 802.11 "hotspots" to which ADSL subscribers get default access during their technology trial period.
The hotspots are far and wide between however, and have limited range, so it's more like "capped coldspots".
The hotspots are far and wide between however, and have limited range, so it's more like "capped coldspots".
bradleyzorg
11-03-2004, 03:59 PM
i heard VW was releasing a flying car.
oh ya it runs on water too.
oh ya it runs on water too.
Flatulentcow
13-03-2004, 02:14 AM
Sweet, I'm gonna get me one of those! [xx(]