Official Liverpool FC Supporters Thread

[Randhir]

I would have to disagree. Lucas has been consistently excellent this season. The Villa game was his only really bad game and he certainly wasn't nearly our worst player on that day. Behind Torres he has been our best player. Johnson comes a close third but some of our other senior players have been average or poor, the likes of Kuyt and Carragher spring to mind. Even Stevie G hasn't had his best season so far

Agree to disagree then. And in my view, it's Torres->Benayoun->whoever else.

[Ashez7]

How much more can we expect from Stevie G, for that past 3-4 seasons, he been carrying this team.

Everybody just waits for Stevie to do something,
Birmingham, classic example.

i agree i hope AQuaman can start and give a good performance lucas had to many chances and van der vaart would be the ideal sign-in for pool as well. stevie , aqua and van der vaart in the middle with mascherano doin the tackling bedhind them. benitez has to gamble on buying a striker unless he has faith in babel like he has faith in lucas.

[Alan]

Guus Hiddink To Return To The Premier League Next Year (http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2009/11/15/1626031/guus-hiddink-to-return-to-the-premier-league-next-year)

Interesting considering Rafa's current position. They are very few if any available managers that IMO would be an improvement on Rafa to take this club to the next level. Guus is certainly one of the very few that qualifies.

Jose Mourinho is another and he claims he wants to return to England and build a team like Fergy and Wenger have done.

[Good Life]

Would be great if Jose was in charge of Liverpool.

[Sting]

Would be great if Jose was in charge of Liverpool.

The Chosen Scouser??? :D

[Cantera]

Think Masch will leave?


Javier Mascherano Agrees Barcelona Personal Terms - Report


Javier Mascherano is set to leave Liverpool after his advisers agreed on personal terms with Barcelona to line up a move in January or the summer, according to a report.

The Argentinian midfielder is desperate to complete a switch to Camp Nou and now knows he can expect to earn around €120,000-a-week should he join the European champions, the Sunday Express states.

[tr1ple6]

Think Masch will leave?


Javier Mascherano Agrees Barcelona Personal Terms - Report
I do think he will leave. That leaves only one fully fit first team central midfielder in our squad:( Hope we use the cash to bring in a replacement though

[tr1ple6]

Seems like Ngog will be out for a while too http://www.imscouting.com/global_news_item.aspx?id=3590 We have no luck this season

[Beginner]

some good news!
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5700516,00.html

[Alan]

Rafael Benitez: when door was shut on Gareth Barry (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6920873.ece)

[tr1ple6]

Rafael Benitez: when door was shut on Gareth Barry (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6920873.ece)

Good article, as ever I can't disagree with the boss:D

[Casanova]

Then I get something like this via mail -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -club.html

[markred]

Horse placenta...
I really need the lads to recover from there injuries so Rafa can pick the best team and we can get back to wining but bloody hell.

[poolmania]

Ummmm....


Yossi Benayoun is back in training
By Danny Caro, November 18, 2009

Yossi Benayoun has undergone the controversial horse placenta therapy administered by Serbian therapist Mariana Kovacevic, the JC understands.

The Liverpool midfielder was in Belgrade from Sunday to Tuesday for the treatment on the hamstring injury he sustained in Liverpool's 2-2 draw with Birmingham at Anfield last week.

The Israeli captain had been expected to be out for a month but following the treatment, that involves massaging liquid from a horse's placenta into the affected area, in Serbia, he has returned to training and could be fit by early next week.

Benayoun said: “It’s an absolutely routine treatment, just like undergoing an ultrasound. I am feeling better already. My hope now is that I will be fit in one week, two at the most. I have a good feeling about it.”

[AMG133]

How much more can we expect from Stevie G, for that past 3-4 seasons, he been carrying this team.

Everybody just waits for Stevie to do something,
Birmingham, classic example.

Techincally the team plays for Stevie, when he comes on you can see the whole game plan changes to focus on him. I agree its not the best thing to do but when you got some one with his talents why would one not ?

[AMG133]

wtf, horse placenta but hey they could use pigeon blood for all I care, long as it works!

[Cantera]

Seems like Masch is edging closer to Barca.

[Beginner]

Seems like Masch is edging closer to Barca.

In my opinion - without a doubt.
I think it has already been agreed but it might only happen end of the season.

[nivek]

In my opinion - without a doubt.
I think it has already been agreed but it might only happen end of the season.

Maybe early Jan with Barca losing its defensive midfielders to the ACN

[Beginner]

Maybe early Jan with Barca losing its defensive midfielders to the ACN

If he does go Jan - I think we will see yaya toure coming to us...

[fishfly]

erm ok so wtf is RAFa DOING! Fabio Aurelio replaces Yossi Benayoun when it's 5 min to go??? is he Injured again????

[Alan]

erm ok so wtf is RAFa DOING! Fabio Aurelio replaces Yossi Benayoun when it's 5 min to go??? is he Injured again????


Quizzed on why Benayoun was substituted late in the game after himself coming on for the injured Babel, Benitez said: "Gerrard had some cramps in his calf. It was between Gerrard and Yossi but Gerrard in a big game scores goals and Yossi was a little bit more tired because he was 10 days without training with the team."

*facepalm*

Why not Lucas ffs :rolleyes:

[fishfly]

lmao, gerrard will score... grreat way to give your players a boost in confidence hey you scored 1 goal, lemme take you off cos I think gerrard is better than you and might score.

[Ashez7]

when is aqualani guna start a game , hey wen is babel ever guna start again , he wud of been more effective, i don't understand rafa's tactics and he spends so much on both of them but they don't even get a start.

[Randhir]

when is aqualani guna start a game , hey wen is babel ever guna start again , he wud of been more effective, i don't understand rafa's tactics and he spends so much on both of them but they don't even get a start.

He probably doesn't wanna start Aquilani in case he gets injured :D:D

[iceman23]

when is aqualani guna start a game , hey wen is babel ever guna start again , he wud of been more effective, i don't understand rafa's tactics and he spends so much on both of them but they don't even get a start.

Its risky for Rafa for sure. If he plays Aqua in this bad patch and we/him dont do well then he could be slated for another bad buy. Ideally he would love to play him when we are in a good run of form so we can bed him in and the rest of the team can help him through. He has to play soon though as he cant get match fitness by sitting on the bench.

[fishfly]

Its risky for Rafa for sure. If he plays Aqua in this bad patch and we/him dont do well then he could be slated for another bad buy. Ideally he would love to play him when we are in a good run of form so we can bed him in and the rest of the team can help him through. He has to play soon though as he cant get match fitness by sitting on the bench.
Reply With Quote bwhwahahaahha not playing him is even worse!

[Alan]

Its risky for Rafa for sure. If he plays Aqua in this bad patch and we/him dont do well then he could be slated for another bad buy. Ideally he would love to play him when we are in a good run of form so we can bed him in and the rest of the team can help him through. He has to play soon though as he cant get match fitness by sitting on the bench.

He can't possibly play any worse than Lucas.



Former Liverpool star Jamie Redknapp has questioned Rafael Benitez's management and claims that he manipulates the club's fans.

On the eve of Liverpool's crunch Champions League showdown in Hungary against Debrecen - where they could fail to reach the last 16 for the first time under Benitez - Redknapp offered a wide-ranging criticism of the Anfield boss.

Redknapp believes Benitez should abandon the controversial zonal marking system and questioned whether Fernando Torres will want to stay if Liverpool are only in the Europa League next season.

Redknapp, who played more than 300 games for the club between 1991 and 2002, said: "They have won one in 10 now and fans will be thinking. They are firmly behind him, though, he manipulates the fans, he gets them how he wants them.

"But there comes a time, if they go out of Europe this week and then lose at Everton, that the fans are swayed and will say that we have to look at him now.

"That team is not really going anywhere. The problem you will get is that will Fernando Torres want to play in the Europa League? I don't think so.

"If they don't get into the top four at the end of this season, it will be a major problem.

"You have huge problems going on behind the scenes with the owners, but it is too easy to blame that. On the pitch the players are not playing well enough, that's a fact."

On Liverpool's defensive problems, Redknapp was equally damning.

He added on Sky Sports: "A few years ago zonal marking was the best format because they were one of the best defenders from set pieces.

"But the reason for that was that they had Peter Crouch and Sami Hyypia, two guys who are 6ft 5in plus.

"It doesn't matter how you defend when the ball comes in, zonal or man to man, they will clear it. Now you have a situation where people are not taking responsibility.

"You might have to turn round and say that zonal isn't working, let's go man for man. At the moment he is giving players excuses, teams look at it and think they will score against Liverpool."

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5713202,00.html

We really are missing Hyypia. That Greek player is rubbish and Skrtel is having an awful season while Agger is not match fit. Oh and Carra is struggling as well. Wait also Insua is useless at defending corners but Aurellio oops he's always injured..... *sigh*

*cries*

[iceman23]

bwhwahahaahha not playing him is even worse!

I am not agreeing with him. I honestly have no idea what goes through Rafa's head... I am trying to figure out why he is not playing him and thats the only logical reason I could come up with.

[iceman23]

He can't possibly play any worse than Lucas.

Even I can't possibly play any worse than Lucas. Maybe I should give Rafa a call... :D

[poolmania]

Jamie is a gob****e, always has been.

[Randhir]

Well, he has some good points.

[poolmania]

Zonal marking, Rafa manipulating the supporters....ffs. Big pile of steaming ****.

[Randhir]

Zonal marking, Rafa manipulating the supporters....ffs. Big pile of steaming ****.

I lol'd.

[Alan]

How many goals have we conceded from set pieces so far this season?

Liverpool have now conceded more goals from set-pieces than any other Premier League side, but Benitez insists the system works and that it is up to his defenders to get it right

http://kopworld.net/lfc-discussion/rafa-defends-zonal-marking-(again)/?PHPSESSID=0a5fa3192453f26a52b9f42b90cef109

:o

[Randhir]

Liverpool have now conceded more goals from set-pieces than any other Premier League side, but Benitez insists the system works and that it is up to his defenders to get it right


If it worked, it'd be working I suppose. And Jamie's right in saying the height isn't in the team anymore with Crouch and Hypia gone.

[AMG133]

I think the system works, the players arnt implementing it properly, we always had zonal marking, teams are finding ways to beat it, but it worked before and no one said anything about it then but now its an 'old system' blah blah blah. Jamie Redknapp is a nob, some one should go kick him in the nuts. Regards to Saturdays game, we should have won, Lucas had a sitter, even Carra would have put that one in, free header, no one around him. His not playing badly neither is he playing well.

I think Rafa was right in taking off Yossi, he just got back from some contriversial treatment and to push him that far was taking a major chance, plus we got a MASSIVE game tomorrow, granted that its not in our hands, we have to get the 3 points and with no Torres we need our top play makers.

[iceman23]

Zonal marking has served us pretty well the last couple of years. We actually conceded so few goals from set pieces before this year. I think perhaps it is a combination of both the players not implementing it properly and other teams finding ways to break it.

I think we need to be able to do both man to man as well as zonal so we are not predictable.

[Randhir]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/23/liverpool-fernando-torres-debrecen-everton

Manager Rafael Benítez confirmed Torres's absence on the club's website. "We thought it would be two or three weeks and he's only 12 or 13 days into that so there's no point in him going," said Benítez. "The next few days will decide if he is fit for Everton (on Sunday), but at this moment there are no guarantees."

[poffle]

Well tonight is the night for pool. Will they qualify or will they have a shocking exit out of the champions league. *prays for a shock exit* hahahhaha. good luck :p come on Fiorentina!!


eish, i think i offended some people. sorry pool supporters :/

[dinko9]

Hey guys newbie here...crucial match tonight lets just pray and hope for the best.. Check this interview on babel last night. I know its from the sun and we all know our history with them, but babel says some interesting stuff that makes sense, if its infact true:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2742980/They-are-tearing-the-club-apart.html

[Alan]

Whining about about blue boots:rolleyes:

It's true he hasn't been given the opportunities but the few he's had he hasn't delivered. At least in the last year.

Everybody knows Rafa is a very poor man manager. It's okay if you have extremely talented, motivated and self confident players like Gerrard and Torres. But for the rest especially if they're trying adapt and learn it's a serious problem.

[Randhir]

Everybody knows Rafa is a very poor man manager. It's okay if you have extremely talented, motivated and self confident players like Gerrard and Torres.

The thing is, even they are unsettled by Benitez at times. He's never satisfied (or at least, never says it), never shows emotion when Liverpool are doing well, or score, he doesn't congratulate the players on winning, only points out their errors even when they've won. What a prat.

Gerrard and Torres say that he's their man now, but I'm waiting for them to part ways, then I'm pretty sure we'll see a different story, especially when one of them is bringing out another book.

[poolmania]

If it worked, it'd be working I suppose. And Jamie's right in saying the height isn't in the team anymore with Crouch and Hypia gone.

2008/2009 - 2nd on 86 points. Conceded 27, 3 more than Man U and Chelsea.

Hyypia - 12 appearances
Crouch - 0 appearances

Enough said.

[Alan]

So what's the problem then?

Edit: How many goals did we concede in those game hyypia played?

[poolmania]

So what's the problem then?

Well it's not Zonal marking for a start. It's player form, they (all of them) have been poor added with the backline not being settled. Agger plays every other game, Carra has been poor from the beginning which is a big problem since he commands the backline.

There must be many reasons but it's not zonal marking.

What system was Wigan using the other day? Man marking?

[poolmania]

How many goals did we concede in those game hyypia played?

Got no idea Alan, it's a bit tricky to research that. All I can say is that I remember a lot of people complaining about his pace in the games which makes me think that we conceded a few when he was in the team.

Not sure though.

[AMG133]

Hey guys newbie here...crucial match tonight lets just pray and hope for the best.. Check this interview on babel last night. I know its from the sun and we all know our history with them, but babel says some interesting stuff that makes sense, if its infact true:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2742980/They-are-tearing-the-club-apart.html

Last week he go's and says on Twitter "dont buy the sun" now he gives them an interview? wtf?

[poolmania]

Last week he go's and says on Twitter "dont buy the sun" now he gives them an interview? wtf?

The Liverpool players aren't allowed to talk to the s*n. That interview was taken from a dutch magazine.

To dinko9, please refrain from posting links to that rag. Please.

[AMG133]

yes especially posting links from that toilet trash in the LFC thread can be judged as a criminal offence.

[Sting]

Kick off time tonight please?

/firewalled at work!

[poolmania]

A very good read. Interview with Torres.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6614123/Fernando-Torres-exclusive-interview-with-Liverpool-and-Spains-El-Nino.html

[poolmania]

Kick off time tonight please?

/firewalled at work!

21h45 on SS6

[Sting]

Thanks. It's really frustrating sitting here at work and not being able to connect to the links posted!!

[AMG133]

tell me about it.....because I dont really know ;) haha the joy of controlling the internets at work :D

on a serious note, WTF is UEFA sending me mail on the Europa League for? FFS lets see what happens tonight first!

[Randhir]

on a serious note, WTF is UEFA sending me mail on the Europa League for?

You know why :p

[nivek]

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Agger, Insua, Carragher, Aurelio, Mascherano, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, N'gog. Subs: Cavalieri, Aquilani, Benayoun, Kyrgiakos, Spearing, Skrtel, Dossena

Babel dropped?

Good luck.. in the Europa league :D

[fishfly]

Babel injured

[Randhir]

Man, I can practically hear the nails being chewed off Scouse fingers. 1-0 to Pooh, but 1-0 to Fiorentina...

[AMG133]

balls, everything went balls tonight, Lisandro on other occasions would have stuck that 1 in at the 92nd minute. We played like **** again though, daft substitutions as well.........gutted


oh well, Europa League, watch out, here come the mighty REDS! *cough*

[Ashez7]

Its risky for Rafa for sure. If he plays Aqua in this bad patch and we/him dont do well then he could be slated for another bad buy. Ideally he would love to play him when we are in a good run of form so we can bed him in and the rest of the team can help him through. He has to play soon though as he cant get match fitness by sitting on the bench.

yeah hope they wnt leave him on the bench lyk babel and again we dnt need to holding mids at home watzup up with benetiz surely he can risk lucas for aqualani:confused:

[poffle]

yus i actually feel bad for you guys. Unlucky, GL in the europa league, you gonna need it :p

[dbecks]

LMAO!!!:D:D

Liverpool out of the CL but the best part is that Rafa gets to keep his job:D:D

[poffle]

LMAO!!!:D:D

Liverpool out of the CL but the best part is that Rafa gets to keep his job:D:D

hahaha yah, only the lord knows how.
Atleast now we know as long as he's in charge they wont be a threat anymore :p :o

[zoopy3]

hahaha yah, only the lord knows how.
Atleast now we know as long as he's in charge they wont be a threat anymore :p :o

X2 :D ... except for man utd :confused:

[nivek]

aquilani did his hamstring apparently?

[Beginner]

balls, everything went balls tonight, Lisandro on other occasions would have stuck that 1 in at the 92nd minute. We played like **** again though, daft substitutions as well.........gutted


oh well, Europa League, watch out, here come the mighty REDS! *cough*

What can we do - not the best but still in for some silverware

[dbecks]

What can we do - not the best but still in for some silverwareCan see you getting your butts kicked in the Europa League as well...*snicker*

[AMG133]

doubt it, makes me queezy seeing the likes of Everton there. lol, like one of the comments I saw last night on twitter. LFC fans in the 80th min were wanting Aquilani on & swearing Rafa for not bringing him on. The one guy said "Whats Aquilani going to do? score for Lyon?"

[Alan]

Every cloud has a silver lining. Now we can't face Chelsea again :D

[Sting]

Now at least we might win something this year!!!!

[Alan]

Also the officials were *gasp* competent :eek:

[Beginner]

hopefully this is what we needed to kickstart our season!

[Alan]

Rafael Benitez is facing yet another internal crisis as ESPN Soccernet has learned that the players are unhappy with the "bad atmosphere" within the dressing room.

A backlash is to be expected following the club's exit from the Champions League, but it is far more disturbing to learn that the negative environment has existed for some time.

An agent of one of the Liverpool superstars was guarded about the players' state of mind but revealed that the atmosphere within the dressing room at Anfield has been an issue for some time.

"The atmosphere is really bad," he told ESPN Soccernet. "There are a lot of unhappy players around."

Asked if those players were seeking to move away, he replied: "I am sure that there will be some players who would like to move on now, that's for sure."

With the January transfer window opening in five weeks, this is the time when players will be thinking of instructing their agents to find them new clubs.

But moving in January is notoriously difficult and, while Benitez would dearly love to ditch some under-performers and bring in new talent, the whole of Europe is aware of the falling value of their players and the club's need to bring in cash before they can buy due to their financial position.

The whole pressure-cooker atmosphere is building up to such a degree that the Merseyside derby takes on a whole new perspective.

Not only do Liverpool need to win the derby to maintain their top-four hopes, but the scrutiny will be on how the players react. Benitez is sure to inform them that they will need to perform at their best to convince everyone that he has restored harmony within the camp.

Benitez has been given assurances about his future, and five months into a brand new five-year contract, naturally the current owners would be loath to ditch their manager, not least because of the expense involved.

But the cost of failing to qualify for the Champions League next season will put intolerable strain on the club's finances, restricting buying power and making it difficult to attract the world's best players.

The American owners are committed to finding a new investor willing to buy a 50% stake and to raise £100 million, but so far there are no takers. Any investor would become embroiled in the in-house political squabbling that has marred relationships in the boardroom ever since Gillett and Hicks fell out.

Relations between Gillett and Hicks have been repaired out of necessity and the urgent need to raise new capital, but the length of the truce remains to be seen.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=704137&sec=england&cc=3888

No surprise there. Voronin, Dossena, Babel etc must be pretty pissed off. Not to mention other players like Yossi who are constantly messed around while plays like Lucas who consistently fail to deliver are given praise, plaudits and consistent selection from the manager.

[Beginner]

Wonder if he will give aqualani a start?

[nivek]

Wonder if he will give aqualani a start?

Saving him for the FA CUP

[Sting]

Saving him for the FA CUP

2010 season? :D

[tr1ple6]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=704137&sec=england&cc=3888

No surprise there. Voronin, Dossena, Babel etc must be pretty pissed off. Not to mention other players like Yossi who are constantly messed around while plays like Lucas who consistently fail to deliver are given praise, plaudits and consistent selection from the manager.
Lucas has been our second best player this season. Some people will never see the good work he does

[Alan]

Lucas has been our second best player this season. Some people will never see the good work he does

Hence why this season has been a disaster :o

I don't think he's as bad as many claim but he sure as hell isn't good enough. Perhaps in the future he'll develop into a top class player but at the moment he simply is not up to the job.

[Alan]

Liverpool managing director Christian Purslow has said that Rafael Benitez's job is safe in the long term - well, at least until the end of the season.


However, if the poor form of his charges continues, then a momentum may build that could force the Spaniard out sooner rather than later.


Critical to Rafa's survival is the need to keep the fans - loyal up to now - on his side. So to maintain their support in the short to medium term and thereby avoid an ignominious exit, here are five things Rafa could do to further 'manipulate' the Liverpool fans:

1) Stop making excuses about injuries: Okay, there's been a long list of crockages and lots of disruption. But eventually, the sympathy starts to drain away. Nobody wants to see a helpless manager. Time for Rafa to show that he can still get results from the players he has available. After all, whether they are all first-choicers or not, they are his players. Remember the side that won the Champions League? On paper, they were nowhere near as good as his current mob. Time to stop whining and start producing results. Beating Everton at Goodison would not do him any harm at all.


2) Stop conceding from set-pieces: Much of the criticism of zonal marking is overplayed - Liverpool have employed it right thru' Rafa's tenure, with statistically good results. Again, disruption caused by injuries can't help organisationally. Nevertheless, is it too much to ask that all those who may end up taking to the pitch should actually understand their roles? If as Rafa claims, the players support the method, then it is time to show that they can operate it effectively. Failure to do so does not reflect well on Benitez and his coaches. Liverpool fans are tired of closing their eyes at opposition set-pieces.


3) Stop playing Dirk Kuyt (for a while at least). The Dutchman is all that is good and bad about Rafa's Liverpool. Can't question the effort, but the quality is still in doubt. At this stage, it appears that Dirk has run his legs down to stumps for the cause. He needs a rest - and Liverpool fans could do with a break from the frustration.


4) Stop the Aquilani cameos - unleash the Italian. Liverpool fans need to see some hope. With Gerrard and Torres jumping on and off the physio's table with worrying regularity, the fans need someone else to believe in. Aquilani has been billed as just that hero. Time to unleash the Italian. Otherwise, there will be a growing sense that his succession of cameo appearances displays a lack of trust from the manager. An Italian Robbie Keane? Time for Rafa to prove that this purchase can make a real difference and banish the lingering yearning for Xabi Alonso.


5) Stop the injury crisis for good - immerse the players in a giant bath of horse placenta cream: It seemed to work for Yossi. Fill up the players' bath in Melwood with the stuff and sit the lot 'em into it up to their necks. It can't do any harm to try.

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[tr1ple6]

Hence why this season has been a disaster :o

I don't think he's as bad as many claim but he sure as hell isn't good enough. Perhaps in the future he'll develop into a top class player but at the moment he simply is not up to the job.
The season has been a disaster because our defending has been shocking and our wing play terrible. Lucas has been good our outstanding in most games http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/401hQyG9YGnKD979ljW6 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/3STZ7901jtriRk4913N4

[poolmania]

Lucas has been our second best player this season. Some people will never see the good work he does


The season has been a disaster because our defending has been shocking and our wing play terrible. Lucas has been good our outstanding in most games http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/401hQyG9YGnKD979ljW6 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/3STZ7901jtriRk4913N4

It's landing on deaf ears over here mate. Lucas will always be the scapegaot. It's sad really.

[Alan]

The season has been a disaster because our defending has been shocking and our wing play terrible. Lucas has been good our outstanding in most games http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/401hQyG9YGnKD979ljW6 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/3STZ7901jtriRk4913N4

It's clear we completely lack creativity in midfield. Ask fans from other clubs what they think of Lucas. Would he get into the Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd squads? I think not.


It's landing on deaf ears over here mate. Lucas will always be the scapegaot. It's sad really.

What's sad is you lot ignore the blatantly obvious to try prove you're the "true fans" by blindly backing certain players etc.....

In Rafa we trust :rolleyes:

[tr1ple6]

It's clear we completely lack creativity in midfield. Ask fans from other clubs what they think of Lucas. Would he get into the Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd squads? I think not.



What's sad is you lot ignore the blatantly obvious to try prove you're the "true fans" by blindly backing certain players etc.....

In Rafa we trust :rolleyes:
http://www.redcafe.net/f7/anderson-vs-lucas-178762/index14.html That is what Manure fans think of Lucas, of course there are a few biased views but many rate him higher than our own fans:rolleyes: I will say that he will easily be in contention for the Manure and Arsenal first teams (only Fabregas is that outstanding in those 2 midfield's). Chelsea is a different story but then again they do have one of the best central midfield's in Europe.

I support Lucas because he has done well and been a model professional for us this season, not because of some blind loyalty:) Stevie G has been average this season and Jamie has been abysmal but I don't see you slating them:rolleyes:

[poolmania]

What's sad is you lot ignore the blatantly obvious to try prove you're the "true fans" by blindly backing certain players etc.....


I'm not trying to prove anything Alan. Lucas has played well this season, not brillaintly and definitely not up to world class standards but he has been better than most players in the Liverpool shirt. He will still however be the scapegoat. But you know what else, he has a heart and he puts in 110% into this club even though fans like you and others try and put him down. I admire the lad. I respect your opinion and we obviously have different views about the lad. He's not perfect but he does not deserve the boos and insults from the supporters who he plays for.



I support Lucas because he has done well and been a model professional for us this season, not because of some blind loyalty:) Stevie G has been average this season and Jamie has been abysmal but I don't see you slating them:rolleyes:

What he said.

[Alan]

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/anderson-vs-lucas-178762/index14.html That is what Manure fans think of Lucas, of course there are a few biased views but many rate him higher than our own fans:rolleyes: I will say that he will easily be in contention for the Manure and Arsenal first teams (only Fabregas is that outstanding in those 2 midfield's). Chelsea is a different story but then again they do have one of the best central midfield's in Europe.

Perhaps we should put the question to the other fan threads here?


I support Lucas because he has done well and been a model professional for us this season, not because of some blind loyalty:) Stevie G has been average this season and Jamie has been abysmal but I don't see you slating them:rolleyes:

I've said before he's not been the worst player and I've slated others.

This is the problem. We're dealing with two extremes. On the one side fans who are far too critical of Lucas and on the other side fans who compensate by defending him no matter what and attacking anyone who dares to criticize Lucas. Two sides same coin.

[smokey]

Who exactly rates Lucas highly(around here)? Squad player at best - a little like Kalou and Mikel. Though if Mikel was allowed to play in his natural position and was given a decent run in the first team he might break out of the doldrums he finds himself in. Not bloody likely though...

[Randhir]

Who exactly rates Lucas highly(around here)?

I think he's improved steadily through the season, but am still chucking at the contention that he'd be first choice (or close to it) at MU or Arsenal. IMO he shouldn't even be in Liverpool first team if you had a full strength squad.

[tr1ple6]

I rate Lucas highly:eek: All he needs to complete his game is goals and he is still very young and improving all the time. The stats don't lie, we have scored more goals than Manure this season and created more chances but our defence has conceded way too much. Lucas is top 5 in the league for tackles and for passers and so is Masch:D Maybe our frailties lie elsewhere? http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_2705370,00.html

[Sting]

I have no problem with Lucas; good this and will be brilliant next year. Stevie G might be our hero but he is having a shocker of a season. Carra's mind seems to be elsewhere but he still has the heart.

It will not surprise me if SAF makes an offer for Lucas.

[tr1ple6]

I have no problem with Lucas; good this and will be brilliant next year. Stevie G might be our hero but he is having a shocker of a season. Carra's mind seems to be elsewhere but he still has the heart.

It will not surprise me if SAF makes an offer for Lucas.
There are offers but I doubt any will come from SAF:rolleyes: When a concrete offer comes from a big Spanish or Italian club then the fans shouldn't be angry when Lucas wants to go.

[Alan]

I rate Lucas highly:eek: All he needs to complete his game is goals and he is still very young and improving all the time. The stats don't lie, we have scored more goals than Manure this season and created more chances but our defence has conceded way too much. Lucas is top 5 in the league for tackles and for passers and so is Masch:D Maybe our frailties lie elsewhere? http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_2705370,00.html

That's because they pass side ways and backwards :erm: If you look at assists/goals for Lucas his record is worse than his counterparts at Arsenal and Man U. Anyway we agree to disagree :)

Amazing how our defence is suddenly so poor even with 2 DMs.

[AjAx30]

I also agree that Lucas is good, and what most people forget is how young he still is.. same goes for ryan babel. babel turns 23 in 2 weeks time, Lucas in jan.

They both still have there best years ahead of them, and Lucas has definitely improved from the error prone, confidence lacking player last season. That is purely because he is getting game time and i think he will be able to get into any major European club within the next 2 years.

And once again babel is the prime example of how bad a manager Rafa really is.. All the newspaper articles (worldwide) i have read in the last few weeks have said that Babel has the potential to be world class, but will never reach that under Rafa. No game time = frustration = lack of confidence = want to leave.

When the player himself starts to talk to the media about how unhappy he is and starts revealing the murky problems at a club, you know there is something very wrong at that club..

[Randhir]

It will not surprise me if SAF makes an offer for Lucas.

What world are you living in? Even if Lucas was good enough , Fergie has enough options at CM.




That's because they pass side ways and backwards

Another good point (you're shocking me Alan! :D ) There was an article about hardly any of his passes being forward on the pitch, will try and find it.

[Cantera]

That is purely because he is getting game time and i think he will be able to get into any major European club within the next 2 years.



Lay off the crack dude.

[nivek]

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Insua, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Aurelio, Ngog. Subs: Cavalieri, Aquilani, Riera, Benayoun, Kyrgiakos, El Zhar, Skrtel

Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Yobo, Distin, Baines, Pienaar, Heitinga, Fellaini, Bilyaletdinov, Cahill, Jo. Subs: Nash, Saha, Gosling, Yakubu, Neill, Coleman, Baxter

[hawker]

Liverpool beat Everton 2-0 :)

Liverpool didn't play well at all, there were a couple of scary moments too. WTF, playing Ngog up front? He lost the ball nearly every single time he got it.

Once Rafa put Benayoun and Riera on the pitch the game was sudden;y so much more open and competitive, Liverpool actually looked threatening and it showed with the Dirk Kuyt goal shortly thereafter.

Also, what do you guys make of the speculation that Viera and Ruud might join Liverpool in Jan?

[Alan]

Daylight robbery......

[poolmania]

I was surprised to see Barnes in the studio last night. Strange he wasn't there when the Liverpool game was on. Anyway, it was good to see him. Anyone know why he's here, World Cup Draw?

[AMG133]

^^Probably, missed the game but caught the highlights, heard we werent up to much, but hey a wins a win thats 3 points thank you very much. Ngog has a heavy first touch, and at times acts to clever for his own good, hence he loses the ball so often, but as they say "his young"

[arf9999]

I was surprised to see Barnes in the studio last night. Strange he wasn't there when the Liverpool game was on. Anyway, it was good to see him. Anyone know why he's here, World Cup Draw?

soccerex

[poolmania]

soccerex

:confused:

[AMG133]

soccer expo at Nasrec

http://www.soccerex.com/soccerex/

[Beginner]

http://www.footballfancast.com/football-blogs/open-letter-liverpool-fans

[AMG133]

Ruud Van Nistelroys agent was in Liverpool last night.

[Randhir]

Maybe he wanted a quick easy pomp.. :D :D :D :D j/k

[AMG133]

lol, all rumors though. We shall wait for January.

[Beginner]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/12/03/1663348/liverpool-special-500-not-out-for-steven-gerrard

[Mamajyot]

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=194737617360&index=1

[Randhir]

Mighty quiet in here.

[Sting]

Torres - please come back!!!!

[Cantera]

Liverpool

LoL

[Alan]

Another poor performance. Granted Blackburn played well but going forward we were ordinary. Gerrard was the sole threat the entire game. Again nothing created from center midfield:o.

Al Zahar comes back from long team injury and just walks back into the team WTF.


Oh and where was Aquilani? :mad:

[Ashez7]

true ther waz no creativity in the mid cnt expect gerrard to do everythin , lucas well lucas has been lucas not tackling no creating chances that guy has been in the mid and doin nun, aquaman on bench and he decides 2 put el zhar on??????

[AMG133]

I thought El Zhar did well apart from his cross that went to the back row of the stands. I cant quite figure out how the hell Ngog gets his place in the team? fine he scores now and then but his so ****, that even **** will score more goals than him! He constantly loses possesion and when he gets into good areas he ****s things up! Cant say much on Voronin but Babel will surely do a better job at striker than those to rejects! Pitty he was injured so I would have played Gerrard at Striker with Yossi behind him.

[Ashez7]

agreed babel wud do much beter but then again see-ing rafa he prefers ngog over babel . spend so much on the guy and waste him on the bench i hope aquaman be wasted. ther waz just no playmaker in the midfield lack of creativity.

[AjAx30]

just remember babel is still out with the ankle injury he got last weekend i think when gerrard ran in his way and then got clouted by the defender..

[Alan]

Liverpool had 60% of the possession at Blackburn but mustered just two shots on target.

Sums it up :sick:

[Randhir]

Gerrard the hypocrite - again.

[nivek]

Nice dive from Stevie too :D

[Alan]

Disgraceful :mad:

[nivek]

Disgraceful :mad:

Pretty nervous about Saturday, you guys always turn up for the big games, and we've been failing badly at them this season..
:(

Hoping Arshavin has a repeat of Anfield, last season..

[poolmania]

Another poor performance. Granted Blackburn played well but going forward we were ordinary. Gerrard was the sole threat the entire game. Again nothing created from center midfield:o.

Al Zahar comes back from long team injury and just walks back into the team WTF.


Oh and where was Aquilani? :mad:

Gerrard was ok, but most importantly was poor (nowhere to be seen) in the last 20 minutes when he was really needed.

[poolmania]

Nice dive from Stevie too :D

It's a shame we have to resort to that.

[Alan]

Gerrard was ok, but most importantly was poor (nowhere to be seen) in the last 20 minutes when he was really needed.

He's not super human ffs. How many more times do you want him to single handedly win us games?

[poolmania]

He's not super human ffs. How many more times do you want him to single handedly win us games?

I never said that Alan, he was nowhere to be seen. The likes of Masch and Kuyt were everywhere. He should at least of tried to make a similar effort regardless of his form.

[Alan]

You obviously were not watching the same game I was.

Go look at the player ratings for the game Gerrard is the top rated offensive player and Kuyt one of the lowest.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6728114/Blackburn-Rovers-0-Liverpool-0-match-report.html

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1127/player-ratings/2009/12/05/1668650/premier-league-player-ratings-blackburn-rovers-0-0-liverpool

http://www.skysports.com/football/user_ratings/0,19768,11065_3150243,00.html


Gerrard had more shots at goal than anybody else as well

[poolmania]

You obviously were not watching the same game I was.

Go look at the player ratings for the game Gerrard is the top rated offensive player and Kuyt one of the lowest.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6728114/Blackburn-Rovers-0-Liverpool-0-match-report.html

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1127/player-ratings/2009/12/05/1668650/premier-league-player-ratings-blackburn-rovers-0-0-liverpool

http://www.skysports.com/football/user_ratings/0,19768,11065_3150243,00.html


Gerrard had more shots at goal than anybody else as well

I realize that but in the last 20 minutes, he was not at the same level. far from it.

[Marley]

Red till the end not Red till i'm dead, cos even after i'm dead i'll still be a Red.

YNWA

[Ashez7]

hopefully AQUAMAN starts tonight guys cnt wait !
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/rafa-confirms-aquilani-start

[Alan]

Interesting to see if Arsenal and Manure's season falls apart due to the injury crises they're both suffering like ours supposedly did. Manure have already gone away to Wolfsburg and won with 8 or 9 defenders out injured :erm:

[fishfly]

lol alan difference with United and pooh is United can still attack with no defence, pooh can't attack with a defence :p

[Alan]

Another pathetic display. It's actually now becoming an embarrassing farce :(

[Cantera]

Liverpool are horrible.

[*SynergyX*]

Liverpool are horrible.

oh...you dont say? what gave that away?:D

[Randhir]

Disregarding the loss, what do the Pooh fans think about Aquilani so far? Impressed? Disappointed?

[nivek]

I'm sure your players will turn up on Sunday :(

[AMG133]

Pretty dissapointing performance, the question thats stil bugging me is WTF is going on? yes we had some fringe players on last night but majority were 1st team guys! Kuyt again proved why he should never be played upfront alone, his useless! Dossena for me did a blody good job! Put in some decent balls early on, made good runs, gave Steve, Aquilani & Insua options. Thats what I like to see guys going around making options available, even if they not used, if the balls some how gets booted out of defence to them, they have a chance to get it back in. Darby did well apart from his 91st minute mistake & Yossi was abit off Key last night mind you brilliant glancing header from him!



Disregarding the loss, what do the Pooh fans think about Aquilani so far? Impressed? Disappointed?

He looks sharp, very attack minded. We didnt see much of him before but last night he showed how he likes to get forward, we needed that seeing as Lucas and Masch should just sit behind everyone. Having an extra person in the box always causes problems for the defence. He was at times trying too much but his little flicks and dinks came off all the time. I think we should start with him on Sunday against Arsenal seeing as they arnt a very physical team.

[Alan]

Pretty dissapointing performance

Understatement of the season



, the question thats stil bugging me is WTF is going on?

Rafa has lost the plot and it looks like he's losing the dressing room too.....



yes we had some fringe players on last night but majority were 1st team guys!

Fiorentina were also missing many players



Kuyt again proved why he should never be played upfront alone, his useless!

+1



Dossena for me did a blody good job! Put in some decent balls early on, made good runs, gave Steve, Aquilani & Insua options.

He was decent. Only his second start of the season. :rolleyes:



Thats what I like to see guys going around making options available, even if they not used, if the balls some how gets booted out of defence to them, they have a chance to get it back in.

But that means moving up out of their positions risking counter attack which doesn't suit the manager's defensive total kill football tactics


Darby did well apart from his 91st minute mistake & Yossi was abit off Key last night mind you brilliant glancing header from him!

Yeah. One shot at goal the entire first half. IIRC it was the same at Blackburn. :rolleyes:



He looks sharp, very attack minded. We didnt see much of him before but last night he showed how he likes to get forward, we needed that seeing as Lucas and Masch should just sit behind everyone. Having an extra person in the box always causes problems for the defence. He was at times trying too much but his little flicks and dinks came off all the time. I think we should start with him on Sunday against Arsenal seeing as they arnt a very physical team.

He looks good but a little lightweight. I hope he can adapt to the physical high tempo Prem.. I dunno how he's going to fit into the game plan because Rafa insists on two deep lying midfielders.

[nivek]

sorry boys but any hope you might have had for even scraping a draw on Sunday is now void



Eboue out for Sunday's trip to Anfield Arsenal FC - Official Site 18:46


you are truely doomed

[iceman23]

Understatement of the season

Rafa has lost the plot and it looks like he's losing the dressing room too.....

Fiorentina were also missing many players

+1

He was decent. Only his second start of the season. :rolleyes:

But that means moving up out of their positions risking counter attack which doesn't suit the manager's defensive total kill football tactics

Yeah. One shot at goal the entire first half. IIRC it was the same at Blackburn. :rolleyes:

He looks good but a little lightweight. I hope he can adapt to the physical high tempo Prem.. I dunno how he's going to fit into the game plan because Rafa insists on two deep lying midfielders.


LOL. All those responses would be funny if they weren't actually true.

[Alan]

sorry boys but any hope you might have had for even scraping a draw on Sunday is now void



you are truely doomed

:D

[Beginner]

Mascherano contract talks broke down so he should be gone in Jan.
Aqua and Lucas in the middle

[fishfly]

SHAmE!

[Alan]

Can't say I blame him if Barca are interested

[nivek]

Can't say I blame him if Barca are interested

What was the story with Yossi looking so pissed off after scoring on Wed?

[fishfly]

What was the story with Yossi looking so pissed off after scoring on Wed? benetiz didnt' want to let him play?

[Alan]

What was the story with Yossi looking so pissed off after scoring on Wed?

Yeah I noticed it too. All the players looked pissed off. Can you blame them :erm:

[Ashez7]

lucas and aqua if masch dnt sign that will be really disapointing no lucas i hope. its true what klinsman said we lacking sum creativity hope with patience he aquaman will settle we need another world class striker as in now.

[iceman23]

What was the story with Yossi looking so pissed off after scoring on Wed?

I also noticed this. Maybe they are sick of Benitez as well....

[Beginner]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/12/11/1681715/liverpool-manager-rafael-benitez-hits-back-at-jurgen

[nivek]

Did you guys see what supersports' poll is today?
What a bunch of twats

[Sting]

And they lose yet again!!!!

[AjAx30]

And yet again.. how much more are they going to let Benitez destroy Liverpool... Poor tactical decisions, stale ideas, players not working 110% for him... I think that says it all. :mad:

[phiber]

Glen Johnson had a good game for arsenal today :) Almunia had another shocker!! But yea, liverpool were lively in the first half, but 2nd half they were no where. Not too many options on the bench, and after 75 mins Torres was toast. Should have left Yossi on, as Arsenal fan i was relieved when he came off. Kuyt even not giving 110% anymore AjAx30, and thats whats sad. Would suck to not see Liverpool in the next champs league, specially since they went out early this season. Also Arshavin, just pure class with that finish.

[Alan]

Interesting to see what excuses the Rafa cult brigade will use after this. Rehash the same old stale ones or a new ever more desperately ludicrous one.....

[phiber]

Interest to see what excuses the Rafa cult brigade will use after this. Rehash the same old stale ones or a new ever more desperately ludicrous one.....

Liverpool fans think its time to call for Rafas head? Who would u rather see? Sammy Lee take over ?

[Alan]

Liverpool fans think its time to call for Rafas head? Who would u rather see? Sammy Lee take over ?

Nope. Most would back him even if we were relegated it seems :erm:

One manager I would take is Guus Hiddink if he was available

[nivek]

Glen Johnson had a good game for arsenal today :) Almunia had another shocker!! But yea, liverpool were lively in the first half, but 2nd half they were no where. Not too many options on the bench, and after 75 mins Torres was toast. Should have left Yossi on, as Arsenal fan i was relieved when he came off. Kuyt even not giving 110% anymore AjAx30, and thats whats sad. Would suck to not see Liverpool in the next champs league, specially since they went out early this season. Also Arshavin, just pure class with that finish.

was also relieved to see yossi leave :D

[Alan]

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez believes his side's confidence disappeared after Arsenal's second goal but he pledged to keep going.

He said: "The own goal changed everything, the confidence changed and we started to make mistakes.

"The first half was really good and we were very pleased.

"The second changed and they were playing with more confidence and we played with less.

"We conceded too early and the second goal came too soon after.

"We will keep going. We have another important game on Wednesday, we have some players coming back.

"Top four is the same target, it's a long way but we need to keep going

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5769654,00.html

Actually it's because Rafa took all attacking impetuous out the team by resorting to his total kill football tactics of standing back, defending and trying to catch Arsenal on the break *facepalm*

[R13...]

Liverpool's season starts now! :)

[AjAx30]

Nope. Most would back him even if we were relegated it seems

Nope... I think the section of fans wanting him to leave is growing daily.. and with the performance today, that base just grew by another couple of thousand..

[Alan]

Lets just hope those two knuckleheads don't replace him with Klinsmann :eek:

[fishfly]

Frank Raikjaard would so transform pooh :D

WTF is rafa doing taking off Yossi???

[iceman23]

Interesting that in the first half Liverpool was good and Arsenal wasn't. After 15 minutes with their managers the roles were reversed. Go Rafa ... you tactical genius...

[AMG133]

1st half we were awesome, 2nd half we were dreadfull! not much can be said. Im not sure if we bossed LeArse in the first half or they were just ****, because they came out firing in the 2nd, we couldnt keep the ball and a goal was sure to come, pitty it being an own goal from Johnson though. As stated in the other thread, Webb is an a$$ but thats another stroy for another day, people here complaining about Rafa's tactics, bet you guys werent complaining in the first half??? Denilsons challege on Masch was outragous which clearly hampened his game, hence Rafa had to take him off instead of Lucas for Aquilani, Yossi wasnt doing thaaat much for me but he was better than Kuyt who I felt should have come off in the 2nd half, Ngog again always lost the ball because of his heavy first touch, Johnson was doing well so no idea why he went off but after seeing Degen make a few cameo's I think he could be a better complete RB than Johnson.

[R13...]

Poor Liverpool -

The next new start comes against Wigan at Anfield on Wednesday, but there have been so many at Liverpool this season that Benitez should keep a pair of jump leads handy in the dug-out.

Meet the new season, same as the old one:D

[Alan]

SCOTT PARKER FOR LIVERPOOL, IT SAYS HERE...
Do Liverpool really want another need pint-sized defensive midfielder? Apparently so. The Sun reckons that Rafa Benitez 'will try to exploit the uncertainty over West Ham's future by making a swoop for Scott Parker'.

And if you're already having doubts, just wait for the next line:

'Liverpool are ready with a £6million offer for the midfielder when the transfer window opens next month.'

£6m?? Aren't Liverpool supposed to be penniless? And if Rafa really had that sort of money wouldn't he spend it on an attacker rather than a 29-year-old of average ability when he already has a £20m midfielder waiting on the bench?

Still, The Sun seems sure of its story:

'Parker is a ready-made replacement for unsettled Javier Mascherano, who looks set for a summer move to Barcelona.

'But the pair could play together for the last six months of this season.'

Well, yes, but only if Rafa opts to sell Alberto Aquilani first...

So insane it may be true? I doubt Rafa's obsession with 6/10 and defensive players is that bad :o

[poolmania]

Interesting to see what excuses the Rafa cult brigade will use after this. Rehash the same old stale ones or a new ever more desperately ludicrous one.....

No excuses. We didn't take our chances in the first half and were very poor in the second half. Rafa and especially the players need to pull their finger out.

[poolmania]

Nope. Most would back him even if we were relegated it seems :erm:

One manager I would take is Guus Hiddink if he was available

Don't be daft Alan. I refuse to slate or talk of change at this time of the season. Rafa has earned my respect for him and will only judge at the end of the season. A lot can happen between now and then. I have watched him since he came in 2004 and have seen him transform this club step by step. I refuse to blame or slate him after this 3-4 month blip we have had. He deserves more time especially untill the end of the season. Slating won't help the cause. It only undermines him and this has an affect on the players.

[Alan]

What you call it slating I call reasonable criticism....

We can argue but it's a lot more than 3 or 4 month blip. Many are now realizing that. Only time will tell but we can only hope he gets some funds to purchase a few players in Jan. More importantly lets hope he buys decent players.

The excuses( and that's what it certainly is) of "injuries" and "lack of funds" does not wash when you're out of the CL and tied with Birmingham City in the EPL. Neither does blaming the players. Rafa bought them after all.

[fishfly]

Don't be daft Alan. I refuse to slate or talk of change at this time of the season. Rafa has earned my respect for him and will only judge at the end of the season. A lot can happen between now and then. I have watched him since he came in 2004 and have seen him transform this club step by step. I refuse to blame or slate him after this 3-4 month blip we have had. He deserves more time especially untill the end of the season. Slating won't help the cause. It only undermines him and this has an affect on the players. he has transformed it by being a winner to a loser :D

04-05 year he wins the CL...
05-06 year last 16
06-07 year Final
07-08 year semi's
08-09 year quarter final
09-10 year group stages...
what next?
10-11 he's not gonna be in the CL?

[Alan]

he has transformed it by being a winner to a loser :D

First year he wins the CL... second year he gets to what? semi? third year last 16... forth year he doesn't progress... next year he won't be in the CL :D

He won the F.A Cup in the second year and the CL final again in 2007. Seriously rode his luck though

[poolmania]

What you call it slating I call reasonable criticism....

We can argue but it's a lot more than 3 or 4 month blip. Many are now realizing that. Only time will tell but we can only hope he gets some funds to purchase a few players in Jan. More importantly lets hope he buys decent players.

The excuses( and that's what it certainly is) of "injuries" and "lack of funds" does not wash when you're out of the CL and tied with Birmingham City in the EPL. Neither does blaming the players. Rafa bought them after all.

I'm sure there is one thing we can agree on though. We can not make changes at this time, we need to remain settled as best we can. We need to wait until the end of the season before decisions on change are made. The last thing we need is talk of changing our manager during the season. We are not Newcastle.

[akescpt]

its like this..they cant fire him since they were stupid enough to give him a 5 year and 4 mill a year....that must be one of the reasons he got rid of parry...the yanks havent a clue...

secondly money excuses dont wash anymore since he has spent alot of it buying what looks like very average players...not one academy player has come though since he has been there..although we hear he is buying youngsters..heaven knows why...he never bring anyone through...shocking really...

that for me is the biggest indictment for his time there...hasnt produced a good player....the good managers can identify, bring through and nuture and turn into a star...he even managed to screw up babels talent by stripping away his confidence..when babel arrived people sat up and took notice...but as always he tried to shove him into a square peg...in babels 1st season his best games were as a central striker...but he is a shadow of the guy that arrived there...

he has a good prospect in kelly at right back...what does he do? goes out and buys a 20 million right back whose defending is suspect...and he was at fault for both those goals against arsenal...

when ronaldo arrived at manure he was a good prospect but fergie turned him into a supastar...in my opinion babel should have been great by now...and the only way that happens is regular game time...i was shocked to read that he hasnt started 4 games in a row for us...

but alas this all is academic since rafa and his lovechild will be with us into the forseable future...i'm not holding my breath hoping for titles anytime soon...so i only hope chelsea win all of them until we are able to finally win 1!!

[Alan]

I'm sure there is one thing we can agree on though. We can not make changes at this time, we need to remain settled as best we can. We need to wait until the end of the season before decisions on change are made. The last thing we need is talk of changing our manager during the season. We are not Newcastle.

Agreed. Only if the right manager becomes available should he be replaced even if the team fails to finish 4th.

[Beginner]

its like this..they cant fire him since they were stupid enough to give him a 5 year and 4 mill a year....that must be one of the reasons he got rid of parry...the yanks havent a clue...

secondly money excuses dont wash anymore since he has spent alot of it buying what looks like very average players...not one academy player has come though since he has been there..although we hear he is buying youngsters..heaven knows why...he never bring anyone through...shocking really...

that for me is the biggest indictment for his time there...hasnt produced a good player....the good managers can identify, bring through and nuture and turn into a star...he even managed to screw up babels talent by stripping away his confidence..when babel arrived people sat up and took notice...but as always he tried to shove him into a square peg...in babels 1st season his best games were as a central striker...but he is a shadow of the guy that arrived there...

he has a good prospect in kelly at right back...what does he do? goes out and buys a 20 million right back whose defending is suspect...and he was at fault for both those goals against arsenal...

when ronaldo arrived at manure he was a good prospect but fergie turned him into a supastar...in my opinion babel should have been great by now...and the only way that happens is regular game time...i was shocked to read that he hasnt started 4 games in a row for us...

but alas this all is academic since rafa and his lovechild will be with us into the forseable future...i'm not holding my breath hoping for titles anytime soon...so i only hope chelsea win all of them until we are able to finally win 1!!


You must ermember that Rafa only got the control he wanted on the youth team when he signed his contract extension - that was 1 of his gripes before last year.

Anyway, i doubt we will be changing a manager midway through the season and as we all can see the other teams are also dropping points - Chelsea were luck to get a point last week in my opinion - in their last four games they have conceeded 10 goals....

[poolmania]

You must ermember that Rafa only got the control he wanted on the youth team when he signed his contract extension - that was 1 of his gripes before last year.

Anyway, i doubt we will be changing a manager midway through the season and as we all can see the other teams are also dropping points - Chelsea were luck to get a point last week in my opinion - in their last four games they have conceeded 10 goals....

He got more than that. He got his way with Parry being shown the door and he got complete control over the transfer activity.

[akescpt]

He got more than that. He got his way with Parry being shown the door and he got complete control over the transfer activity.

exactly..so now thats another hole that must be filled when he leaves...but yes i agree that we cant change during the season..at least we limped past wigan...the panicked look when wigan scored was worrying...the whole stadium infact...:erm:

this season will be very close..we have played badly but we are only 10 off manure...which in other seasons you could only dream of...and everyone will continue to drop points..i only hope we pickup when they drop...:D

[Alan]

Good to see Masch and Yossi having very good games. Even Ngog was decent.

Unfortunately more baffling tactical decisions from the manager:rolleyes:. Could easily have thrown away more points last night.

[UltimateWarez]

why isn't aquilani playing? you spend 20 million and you don't play him l0l...

Ngog is a good talent..he is like 20 right?

[fishfly]

Alan, Yossi has been the only star performer for pooh since gerrard and torres has been out... yet for the life of me I don't know WTF is rafa doing only letting him play 45-60 minute stints! Yossi scores a goal then Rafa sub's him.. he comes in as a sub 75 minute into the game...

[bex.cpt]

Alan, Yossi has been the only star performer for pooh since gerrard and torres has been out... yet for the life of me I don't know WTF is rafa doing only letting him play 45-60 minute stints! Yossi scores a goal then Rafa sub's him.. he comes in as a sub 75 minute into the game...

Rafa needs to leave, his the reason we are performing so poorly. He allows his personal feelings to dictate who is on the bench and how much play time they get. We need leadership not some twat. In any other club her would've been shown the door with a golden hands shake and a new manager with BOLLOCKS would've taken over.

I cannot understand his game plan. ALSO WTF is he thinking playing that stupid formation. 4 4 2 has always worked.

It seems he is intent on 2 things (one already achieved) Get us out of the Champions League and making sure we don't finish in the top 4 end of this season.

Last year this time we were TOP of the Barclay Card Premier League. This freaking year we not even in the TOP 4 WTF. :wtf:

Can somebody PLEASE kill this S.O.B.:twisted:

[nivek]

Alan, Yossi has been the only star performer for pooh since gerrard and torres has been out... yet for the life of me I don't know WTF is rafa doing only letting him play 45-60 minute stints! Yossi scores a goal then Rafa sub's him.. he comes in as a sub 75 minute into the game...

its weird how alot of pool fans blame the owners for their clubs downfall, when its the manager thats completely cooked, its there for all to see, rafa is a lunatic, and most of the things he does are beyond comprehension

but its brilliant, i vote they keep him

[poolmania]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtKt6tTz0nw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5-V75v-6I&feature=related

[poolmania]

Rafa needs to leave, his the reason we are performing so poorly. He allows his personal feelings to dictate who is on the bench and how much play time they get. We need leadership not some twat. In any other club her would've been shown the door with a golden hands shake and a new manager with BOLLOCKS would've taken over.

I cannot understand his game plan. ALSO WTF is he thinking playing that stupid formation. 4 4 2 has always worked.

It seems he is intent on 2 things (one already achieved) Get us out of the Champions League and making sure we don't finish in the top 4 end of this season.

Last year this time we were TOP of the Barclay Card Premier League. This freaking year we not even in the TOP 4 WTF. :wtf:

Can somebody PLEASE kill this S.O.B.:twisted:

Top class post.

[superskully]

Being a fan of Rafa - though he seems to have lost it a bit now.
To the Yossi posts - he has only come into form this year.
And he has played a lot this season but has had injuries a few weeks back - but u will see he started in the last 2 games.
For Aquilani posts - do you guys really think he is just going to come in and gel with his team mates, EPL speed, Toughness...NO.
He will take time to get used to things and he is know to get injured again if played too soon after comin back from an injury.
I beleive he is for the future or latter half of the season - he is the next gerrard - thats why i think 20 mil is a bargain (provided he stays fit).

In any case, problems for Liverpool have been in the defense not attack - we have scored planety of goals but are conceding too much.

[Alan]

Shankly quotes FTW :D




its weird how alot of pool fans blame the owners for their clubs downfall, when its the manager thats completely cooked, its there for all to see, rafa is a lunatic, and most of the things he does are beyond comprehension

but its brilliant, i vote they keep him

The opinion among fans of other teams is overwhelmingly negative regarding Rafa. Liverpool are universally ridiculed




To the Yossi posts - he has only come into form this year.

He was fantastic last year. He's been on poor run of games lately. But perhaps it's a bit harsh since he's had no decent service or quality players to great space for him.


For Aquilani posts - do you guys really think he is just going to come in and gel with his team mates, EPL speed, Toughness...NO.


He will take time to get used to things and he is know to get injured again if played too soon after comin back from an injury.
I beleive he is for the future or latter half of the season - he is the next gerrard - thats why i think 20 mil is a bargain (provided he stays fit).

and how is he supposed to gel if he almost never plays? If he can't make the team against Wigan at home he clearly isn't worth 20mill +:erm:


In any case, problems for Liverpool have been in the defense not attack - we have scored planety of goals but are conceding too much.

and why suddenly can't we defend? Take away our 3 big wins and we've scored 10 in 14. Still we are only 5th in goals scored.

[nivek]

Shankly quotes FTW :D


The opinion among fans of other teams is overwhelmingly negative regarding Rafa. Liverpool are universally ridiculed


Make him manager for life :D

[bex.cpt]

Being a fan of Rafa - though he seems to have lost it a bit now.
To the Yossi posts - he has only come into form this year.
And he has played a lot this season but has had injuries a few weeks back - but u will see he started in the last 2 games.
For Aquilani posts - do you guys really think he is just going to come in and gel with his team mates, EPL speed, Toughness...NO.
He will take time to get used to things and he is know to get injured again if played too soon after comin back from an injury.
I beleive he is for the future or latter half of the season - he is the next gerrard - thats why i think 20 mil is a bargain (provided he stays fit).

In any case, problems for Liverpool have been in the defense not attack - we have scored planety of goals but are conceding too much.

When you pay the money we did for this boy I say put him on the pitch and let's see what he can do. Rafa had the chances to get Owen but declined WHY? Owen was up for free and would've gelled with the old team. Now a Liverpool born boy is playing for those TWAT ManU hacks.

I say we call contribute get a hitman and have Rafa whacked :D

International law will protect us ;)

I love Liverpool and have been a supporter since I was knee high to a grasshopper.

Liverpool has made me proud and made me cry but this is the 1st time that a MANAGER is pushing me to MURDER

[nivek]

Liverpool has made me proud and made me cry but this is the 1st time that a MANAGER is pushing me to MURDER

hmm i think you need a shrink :)

[bex.cpt]

hmm i think you need a shrink :)

No I need Rafa to go back to the freaking petty dung hole he crawled out and we must get a new MANAGER to rescue our reputation that people Like Ian Rush & the likes of Bill Shanky has build up over decades

[Cantera]

Thx for the laugh bex.cpt :D

[Randhir]

TWAT ManU hacks.


I love posts like these. Three Leagues in a row versus none in nineteen years is really getting to you guys.

[fishfly]

its weird how alot of pool fans blame the owners for their clubs downfall, when its the manager thats completely cooked, its there for all to see, rafa is a lunatic, and most of the things he does are beyond comprehension

but its brilliant, i vote they keep him LMAO nivek I's a United & Juve supporter :D

[nivek]

LMAO nivek I's a United & Juve supporter :D

I know :D

[poolmania]

When you pay the money we did for this boy I say put him on the pitch and let's see what he can do. Rafa had the chances to get Owen but declined WHY? Owen was up for free and would've gelled with the old team. Now a Liverpool born boy is playing for those TWAT ManU hacks.

I say we call contribute get a hitman and have Rafa whacked :D

International law will protect us ;)

I love Liverpool and have been a supporter since I was knee high to a grasshopper.

Liverpool has made me proud and made me cry but this is the 1st time that a MANAGER is pushing me to MURDER

And a bloody good supporter at that. The best I would think.

[fishfly]

Bex.Cpt

I would have tought Gerrard Houlier would have driving you to murder :D

[AMG133]

Houlier was no doubt a worse manager than Rafa, we kinda suffering the Bafana syndrome, is it the players or is it the coach? Last season we had the same players minus 3 (Arbeloa, Xabi, Hyppia). We lost Arbeloa but gained Johnson & practically Degen as well seeing he was injured for almost the whole season, Xabi was no doubt our biggest lost which forced Rafa to use Lucas in his place seeing that our star signing was bought as kinda at a reject price. Hyppia I would also regard as a great loss seeing that when he stepped in to the team when needed he did a stella job at the back, but Agger is back for us this season so thats an added plus. Out of all of that, it is essentially the same squad, why the confidence took a dip is beyond me. No doubt losing the first game was a massive down point but we bounced back well in the next winning by 4 goals.

I guess the injuries and inconsistancies also played its part in dismantling us this season and also the fact in games when we normally rely on our star players i.e Gerrard & Torres to come through and save us, they couldnt. We knew that we couldnt rely on them all the time but we never thought we'd see the day where they on the pitch but can do anything. Its a rude awakening for the rest of the team that they need to step the hell up, few players IMO have done so, Yossi, Kuyt in some instances, Mascherano, Insua & although I dont particular like Ngog, you cant fault his effort. Its bit too late to start off something now but lets hope they start picking up the peices and try to get that all important 4th spot or if we're lucky 3rd.

[iceman23]

its weird how alot of pool fans blame the owners for their clubs downfall, when its the manager thats completely cooked, its there for all to see, rafa is a lunatic, and most of the things he does are beyond comprehension

but its brilliant, i vote they keep him

The stuff he does is NOT beyond comprehension. There are reasons. (Taken and added to from a post on another forum)


1) Rafa has favourites
2) Rafa's ego is bigger than everyone elses at the club
3) Rafa is never wrong and will keep doing what he does until he is proven right. If he isn't proven right he will just blame net spend or Rick Parry...
4) Rafa's football has a much stronger bias to showcasing his tactical knowledge than the skills and abilities of the players on the pitch. Hence the robotic instructions to each player in order to have them behave like pieces on a chess board. Watch the attacking skills of Johnson and Aquillani dissapear soon.
5) Rafa will never follow any one elses advice even if it is correct, just to prove to them that he is his own man.

Thats why he is called Teflon Rafa. Nothing ever seems to stick with him. It is always everyone elses fault, never his. He could set fire to Anfield and most would say it is because Gillette and Hicks let him play with matches.

Excuses range from Injuries, Owners (knobs that they are) , ex-players, the media, transfers, the academy, Robbie Keane, Gareth Barry and my favourite: net spend. Won't someone think of the net spend. Next year if we sell Torres for 80 million he will become the greatest manager ever as his net spend will be 0. Feckin genius. Yes, that's how ridiculous this net spend argument is.

Liverpool is a different club though. We give our managers time, probably too much time. The problem is that next year I can honestly see us having the same discussion. We will have a really good run in leading to our supporters calling Rafa the best thing since sliced bread. We start of next season ok, go into a terrible run of form and then the anger is turned to Gillette, Hicks and net spend. Our supporters also like to see themselves as different to other clubs. The reality is that we really aren't anymore. The Liverpool Way went out with Gillett and Hicks and yes also, dear old Rafa.

Again, I would point out that I am not pro or anti Rafa. I am pro Liverpool. I want the best for MY club and that is not Rafa IMO. I believe that he is a really good manager but I believe that it is going to take a special manager to get us back to the top and I don't really believe that he is a special manager.

[fishfly]

good luck picking up 4th from AV and Tottenham...

[AMG133]

we got Urine / Urea/ Uteres

[poolmania]

Unirea. If we get past them, then it's either Lille or Fenerbache.

[Alan]

Unirea. If we get past them, then it's either Lille or Fenerbache.

Did you see King Kenny's reaction? Trying to sms that name in full :D

[Beginner]

While most are calling for Rafa's head, I agree with the following.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2009/12/18/an-open-letter-to-the-anti-rafa-brigade/

[akescpt]

rafa wont give owen a chance because owen didnt give him a chance when he arrived off the boat...when rafa arrived owen demanded to leave..he went to real madrid then...

liverpool went on to win the champions and real madrid went on to win nothing that season..liverpool was offered owen before he signed for newcastle...rafa declined then as well...this after owen scored goals in la liga...

but i can understand rafa's thinking but he is the type of manager who would cut off his nose to spite his face..liverpool would have been much further had owen originally stayed but thats history..

and yes it galls me to see owen at manure..if there was one team i would not have wanted him to go to manure would be top of that list..makes me ill...:sick:

[fishfly]

rafa wont give owen a chance because owen didnt give him a chance when he arrived off the boat...when rafa arrived owen demanded to leave..he went to real madrid then...

liverpool went on to win the champions and real madrid went on to win nothing that season..liverpool was offered owen before he signed for newcastle...rafa declined then as well...this after owen scored goals in la liga...

but i can understand rafa's thinking but he is the type of manager who would cut off his nose to spite his face..liverpool would have been much further had owen originally stayed but thats history..

and yes it galls me to see owen at manure..if there was one team i would not have wanted him to go to manure would be top of that list..makes me ill... I guess Owen realised what a nob rafa would be hence his decision to run away to la liga :D

as Iceman clearly pointed out RAFA will strangle his players to play according to how he dictated YOU WILL PASS TO GERRARD! GERRARD WILL PLAY ONE TWO WITH TORRES
AND TRIP AND WIN PENALTY AND WIN US THE GAME! ya? GOOD! now go!

Oh wait strategy 1 is not working! Backup plan punt the ball up to Torres, he'll out run the defence and SCORE! YES!

DAMN both Gerrard and Torres is out... hmmm ok LUCAS and Masch you two go in and tackle like hell! maybe the ball will fall in the net off a rebound somewhere or Kuyt will win us a penalty! GO!

Last resort crap no one is doing what i say ok let me put Yossi on... WOW he scored! ok lemme take him off we can defend like hell with Masch and Lucas! 1 point is better than nothing! OMFG why the oppisition have to score wait lemme put on two more defenders so they can't score again!

[Alan]

While most are calling for Rafa's head, I agree with the following.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2009/12/18/an-open-letter-to-the-anti-rafa-brigade/

*sigh*

same old excuses


We haven’t been nearly as privileged as some of our main rivals in terms of the amount of money we’ve had to spend


Have we net spent more than Aston Villa, Tottenham or Arsenal? How about Birmingham. If it's all about money why bother playing in the first place. If Rafa can't compete without a sugar daddy then we need to get somebody in who can


We haven’t been nearly as privileged as some other teams in terms of the squad that was inherited on arrival, with Rafa having to replace all but the home-grown stars over the last five years, effectively building a squad ‘from scratch’.


Again were the teams above exluding Arsenal any better? Last time I checked Rafa's succeses came with teams full of Houllier signed players.


We haven’t been nearly as privileged as some teams in terms of the amount of time the manager has had at the helm to mould a team in his long-term vision.

Yeah a pity we didn't afford Houllier the time he needed too

I'm afraid it seems many supporters are in engaging on some twisted cult like love fest.



but i can understand rafa's thinking but he is the type of manager who would cut off his nose to spite his face..

Indeed. Seems poor Aquilani is the current unwitting victim

[fishfly]

wow POOh supporters awefully quiet... 2 - 0 to Portsmouth....

[B@rrels]

Match Fixing!!;)

[B@rrels]

wow POOh supporters awefully quiet... 2 - 0 to Portsmouth....

ManUre Supporters even quieter at the moment:)

[Sting]

ManUre Supporters even quieter at the moment:)

Fulham 3 - Manure 0

[fishfly]

yep... well I guess it is xmas! :D

maybe it's points for free! or WTF? I was right about carrick... he can't defend to save his life... still running with no defence this was expected

Hope chelski and arsenal feel's the same later and tomorrow...

[phiber]

Liverpool played so **** badly, they were no where. Need to change something, be it players, coach or staff.

[fishfly]

don't worry it was Hicks fault! also don't forget it's cos pooh can't afford to spurge out on decent players!

[Cantera]

Liverpool are just poor.

[Randhir]

Mascherano is a dirty pig. First that crazy tackle then that pathetic rolling around to try to get sympathy from the ref.

[phiber]

Mascherano is a dirty pig. First that crazy tackle then that pathetic rolling around to try to get sympathy from the ref.

Still think the ref made the wrong call. Liverpool can't blame anyone but themselves, Raina didn't even attempt to make the save from the 2nd goal. Think pool will really struggle for 4th place this season.

[Randhir]

Still think the ref made the wrong call. Liverpool can't blame anyone but themselves, Raina didn't even attempt to make the save from the 2nd goal. Think pool will really struggle for 4th place this season.

Wrong call on that tackle? Surely you jest? It was aimed to hurt, and nowhere near the ball.

[phiber]

Wrong call on that tackle? Surely you jest? It was aimed to hurt, and nowhere near the ball.

I still think it was a yellow. Will rewatch the tackle and let u know if i change my mind.

EDIT: Definitely a yellow. Watch it again (http://vodpod.com/watch/2722127-mascherano-red-card-v-portsmouth), its a late challenge thats for sure but his contact is minimal.

[Stevie G]

We were piss poor yesterday. i can't believe we have sunk that low. playing with the likes of gerrard, torres, masch, johnson, reina, benyoun, carrager.most of the regular 1st team players and we can't even beat lowly pompey.there was no hunger, urgency in the team. the biggest problem is rafas mismanagement of the team, transfers, coaching and never admitting fault.we need to get rid of him asap, but we don't have the money to let him go. i would rather let sammy lee take over as stand in coach until we get the likes of guus hiddink,mourinho,martin o neil or even harry redknapp.

the fans should protest until the owners are forced to leave.get in rich owners that are supporters and care about the club. if we don't get 4th then we will see the exodus of a lot of players.

[phiber]

We were piss poor yesterday. i can't believe we have sunk that low. playing with the likes of gerrard, torres, masch, johnson, reina, benyoun, carrager.most of the regular 1st team players and we can't even beat lowly pompey.there was no hunger, urgency in the team. the biggest problem is rafas mismanagement of the team, transfers, coaching and never admitting fault.we need to get rid of him asap, but we don't have the money to let him go. i would rather let sammy lee take over as stand in coach until we get the likes of guus hiddink,mourinho,martin o neil or even harry redknapp.

the fans should protest until the owners are forced to leave.get in rich owners that are supporters and care about the club. if we don't get 4th then we will see the exodus of a lot of players.

Yea, Mascherano is already rumored to be on his way out.

There is no hunger though, even Kuyt not working the way he used to!

[smokey]

'Ello lads. Long time no see. How's things? :whistle:

[arf9999]

i would rather let sammy lee take over as stand in coach until we get the likes of guus hiddink,mourinho,martin o neil or even harry redknapp.

.

Mark Hughes is available :D

[fishfly]

I still think it was a yellow. Will rewatch the tackle and let u know if i change my mind.

EDIT: Definitely a yellow. Watch it again (http://vodpod.com/watch/2722127-mascherano-red-card-v-portsmouth), its a late challenge thats for sure but his contact is minimal.

OMG phiber... please take your bias goggles off that tackle was an ankle/shin breaking tackle... he didn't even go for the ball if he connected his studs on that guys shin it would have been a broken leg...

[SK33T]

Rafas time is up,and no not Sammy Lee.
New managment needed,assistant coaches stepping in hasnt really worked for this team.

Problem is we relly on 4 major players every game if they cant make the game we fooked.

Need to have a bigger pool to choose from,u cant relly a 4 guys every match.

[arf9999]

Rafas time is up,and no not Sammy Lee.
New managment needed,assistant coaches stepping in hasnt really worked for this team.

Problem is we relly on 4 major players every game if they cant make the game we fooked.

Need to have a bigger pool to choose from,u cant relly a 4 guys every match.

Well there should be a bigger pool of players, but Rafa sold a world class striker at a loss right before we needed some depth in attack. He sold one of the best ball distributors, forcing Gerrard to play further and further back. He never found a good replacement for Sami Hyppia when he left. And the talented players that he has, never get to play in their preferred position or never get to start.

[Alan]

Well the general consensus is Rafa's time is up. Only the Rafa cult still cling to their delusions of grandeur of him. The question is who is available to take the club forward?

My first choice would be Hiddink. I actually can't think of any others I'd be entirely comfortable taking the hot seat :o

[arf9999]

Well the general consensus is Rafa's time is up. Only the Rafa cult still cling to their delusions of grandeur of him. The question is who is available to take the club forward?

My first choice would be Hiddink. I actually can't think of any others I'd be entirely comfortable taking the hot seat :o

The special one.






/edit: ;)

[iceman23]

Well the general consensus is Rafa's time is up. Only the Rafa cult still cling to their delusions of grandeur of him. The question is who is available to take the club forward?

My first choice would be Hiddink. I actually can't think of any others I'd be entirely comfortable taking the hot seat :o

In all honesty, I'd actually give Kenny the job till the end of the season and then try to get Mourinho or Hiddink. Even Capello after the world cup, even though I hate the fecker.

[akescpt]

i doubt we can afford to get rid of rafa...to be honest some of his decisions during his first 4 years have been baffling...he is a very proud man and does not like to be crossed by the looks of things..this is waht bothers me the most going on saturday's performance....

its not just rafa thats the problem...gerard the captain must take a big slice of the blame for his lack of leadership...no one is motivating anyone else out there...no-one is getting into peoples faces questioning their effort...say what u will keane was the best at this..if u not willing to put in the effort..get off the field...and gerrard is not leading by example..he disapears for large portions of the game..and he is in the worst form i have seen him in...body language...weight...not looking good...

in all honestly they are playing like a team that is going to get relegated..my biggest concern is that it appears that rafa has lost the dressing room..he is no longer able to motivate them...they went 1 down before half time and yet when they game out they didnt even look like they were going for it...i for 1 am glad masch will be out for 4 games...maybe we see aquaman more and gerard can start doing some work again instead of trying to play 1 2's with torres....

another howla was to play dossena at left half..he struggles to play ok in his original position of left back..

[Alan]

If they sack Rafa most of the backroom staff will probably go as well. With his new contract he took over completely. Everything will have to be reorganized:(

As always tragedy strikes when individual errors accumulate into a disaster. The two moronic owners, Rafa, Rafa's contract, the influential mass of Rafa cultists, injuries........

[nivek]

If they sack Rafa most of the backroom staff will probably go as well. With his new contract he took over completely. Everything will have to be reorganized:(

As always tragedy strikes when individual errors accumulate into a disaster. The two moronic owners, Rafa, Rafa's contract, the influential mass of Rafa cultists, injuries........

lol, I have someone (about influential as a preying mantis on anything Liverpool, but a Rafa cultist never the less) on my facebook, who every morning has a new status along the lines of
"RAFA IS NOT THE PROBLEM GET RID OF THE YANKS"
"RAFA NEEDS OUR SUPPORT"

What a cake..

[bex.cpt]

lol, I have someone (about influential as a preying mantis on anything Liverpool, but a Rafa cultist never the less) on my facebook, who every morning has a new status along the lines of
"RAFA IS NOT THE PROBLEM GET RID OF THE YANKS"
"RAFA NEEDS OUR SUPPORT"

What a cake..

Rafa needs to be shot. :mad: his a twat. If the HEAD is messed up then the body cannot function properly

[Alan]

lol, I have someone (about influential as a preying mantis on anything Liverpool, but a Rafa cultist never the less) on my facebook, who every morning has a new status along the lines of
"RAFA IS NOT THE PROBLEM GET RID OF THE YANKS"
"RAFA NEEDS OUR SUPPORT"

What a cake..

They're becoming insufferable. So embarrassing it's pathetic :(

Sad thing it's only going to get worse. Soon they'll be blaming solar flares and voodoo.

In Rafa we rust

[poolmania]

Mascherano is a dirty pig. First that crazy tackle then that pathetic rolling around to try to get sympathy from the ref.

He sustained medial ligament damage you big clown.

[Randhir]

My first choice would be Hiddink.

Will never happen while he is even remotely associated with Russian national football.


He sustained medial ligament damage you big clown.

How did you know I was big :confused: lol

Either way, he's a filthy player. Horrible tackle.

[akescpt]

if there was intent...ben would have been hospitilised...a bit late..old school tackler.. i like him...yellow at best...u can recognise intent...ben's theatrics were a bit much... he jumped up right away...i say again if u want to put someone in the hospital thats where he will end up...

[poolmania]

How did you know I was big :confused: lol

Either way, he's a filthy player. Horrible tackle.

Gut feeling.

Anyway, I didn't dispute your claim about the tackle but your inaccurate assumption that he was rolling around like a soft lad to gain sympathy.

[Randhir]

Gut feeling.

Anyway, I didn't dispute your claim about the tackle but your inaccurate assumption that he was rolling around like a soft lad to gain sympathy.

I've seen him do that before dude..



Are you worried about your job, Rafael Benítez? With a section of the Liverpool away fans joining in the Fratton chants of, "You're getting sacked in the morning," after their embarrassing defeat, he probably should be.

Immediately after the game the Liverpool manager, who only last week had assured fans of a top-four finish, was tight-lipped. "I'm worried about winning the next game," he said, with a face like an undertaker.

Benitez then gave a bizarre performance in the post-match press conference, appearing to blame the referee, Lee Mason, for the defeat by repeatedly labelling the official's performance "perfect" – the word enunciated with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

Benítez claimed that Javier Mascherano should not have been sent off – a decision that, he felt, turned the game.

Benítez: "I have seen the replay and for me it is not a sending-off, but anyway the referee was perfect. He didn't make any mistakes. Now Javier is injured, and I will say again the referee didn't make any mistake."

Press: "We don't understand? You say the referee didn't make a mistake?"

Benítez: "No he was perfect. Perfect. He was perfect."

Press: "So why was it not a sending-off?"

Benítez: "I have seen the replay, for me it's not a sending-off, but anyway. Perfect."

Press: "Was there any particular reason why players like Gerrard or Torres couldn't get it together and perform?"

Benítez: "No, the referee was perfect so Torres, he didn't have any problems."

Press: "You were a goal down before the sending-off, the average observer wouldn't say you were controlling the game at half-time. Why do you say it turned the game when you were a goal down already?"

Benítez: "If you see we created a couple of chances and we have plenty of possession in the first half I was convinced we could change the game."

Press: "Can you just explain what you said about the referee?"

Benítez: "Perfect. No mistakes."

Press: "But you say he made a mistake with the sending-off."

Benítez: "Perfect."

Press: "Don't you think Torres was fortunate to escape being penalised for that elbow?"

Benítez: "The referee was perfect."

Earlier this season Benitez was found guilty of misconduct but escaped FA punishment when he mimed removing his glasses to criticise another referee's performance.

[AMG133]

call me mad but I'll sit on the fence for now with the Rafa issue, judging by Saturdays game, the players we crap, its like they were not bothered. I didnt see the whole game but caught an extended highlights package. Masch's tackle was no way a red and he is injured so it could be a good thing that he serves his ban whilst being injured.

You know theres that line in YNWA, "at the end of the storm, theres a golden sky" but my *****ing god this is one flipping long storm!

[Alan]

call me mad but I'll sit on the fence for now with the Rafa issue, judging by Saturdays game, the players we crap, its like they were not bothered. I didnt see the whole game but caught an extended highlights package. Masch's tackle was no way a red and he is injured so it could be a good thing that he serves his ban whilst being injured.

You know theres that line in YNWA, "at the end of the storm, theres a golden sky" but my *****ing god this is one flipping long storm!

Is it not the manager's job to motivate his players?

[AMG133]

Well it is, and Im damn sure he does, unless his pulling a fast one on all of us. bottom line is Liverpool players should know who they're playing for, its the fans! Some of them scrape together savings to go see a game and they get treated to puke like this?

[akescpt]

Is it not the manager's job to motivate his players?

i would say so....the body language is not good at all..wolves (reserve team again? - manure exclusive present)...villa then spurs to come..not looking forward to those games....could get ugly..:mad:

[AMG133]

Also just wana know, why were we wearing our away kit on the weekend? Now I dont want a daft answer "because we were away from home". Pompey are blue & white, have no clash with our all red outfit, so wtf?

[poolmania]

Also just wana know, why were we wearing our away kit on the weekend? Now I dont want a daft answer "because we were away from home". Pompey are blue & white, have no clash with our all red outfit, so wtf?

Not sure actually. Even stranger, it was the Euro Away kit they were playing in. Our official away kit is the dark grey/black kit.

[iceman23]

Also just wana know, why were we wearing our away kit on the weekend? Now I dont want a daft answer "because we were away from home". Pompey are blue & white, have no clash with our all red outfit, so wtf?

Actually the socks clash but we normally play in our red kit with white socks as Portsmouth's socks are red...

Not sure why we wern't this time we didn't.

[akescpt]

i speak under correction...its up to the hometeam...even if the kits dont clash.. its their perogative to tell you they want you to play in your changed strip...and the grey black away kit would have clashed with the pompey kit..

[akescpt]

AQUAMAN!! apologies but i wanted my 100th post to be here..YNWA!!!

[Randhir]

AQUAMAN!!

Being touted as this season's worst transfer.