Mandela perspective email...

[MeNeZ]

I just got this by email, thought some of you might find it interesting...

This is a blog written by an English woman living the UK about SA and Mandela etc, long read but makes you think...




Mandela: The legend and the Legacy Part 1


This excellent two part article appeared on the blog of Sarah

Sarah is an Englishwoman endowed with an incisive and razor-sharp understanding of South Africa 's recent history. Unlike so many millions of brain-washed lemmings in the UK , she sees right through the media-contrived smoke & mirrors, lies and myths as propounded by the MSM.


By Sarah, Maid of Albion

It is often said that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, however, this usually means that the other man has been less than fastidious in his choice of hero, or that the "freedom fighter" in question was on the crowd pleasing side.

On the 27th of June, London's Hyde Park will play host to a concert in honour of Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday and we can be assured that it will receive wall to wall coverage by a star struck and worshipping media, who will continue to laud Mandela as one of the greatest, or indeed the greatest, heroes of our time.

No doubt the beaming old man will appear on stage in one of his trademark multi-coloured shirts and cheerily acknowledge the cheers of the adoring crowd, most of whom have been taught to believe in his sainthood since their first days in primary school, which, for many of them, will have occurred around the same time their hero walked free from Robben Island.

The unquestioning belief in Mandela's universally admired saintliness will again be displayed in the press and by the unending line of politicians and dignitaries who will queue up to genuflect before him and sing his praises. It is a brave politician or journalist who would dare to question the godliness of this legend and consummate showman, and hence no such questions will be raised, nor will his much vaunted "achievements" be subjected to any objective scrutiny.

No matter how many speeches are given or how many news articles are written, it is safe to bet that the full truth about Mandela will not be told.

In fact the truth about Mandela is so hidden in mythology and misinformation that most know nothing about him prior to Robben island, and those who do tend to exercise a form of self censorship, designed to bolster the myth whilst consigning uncomfortable facts into the mists of history.

For most people all they know about Mandela, prior to his release in 1990, was that he had spent 27 years in prison and was considered by many on the left at the time (and almost everyone now) to be a political prisoner. However, Mandela was no Aung San Suu Kyi, he was not an innocent, democratically elected leader, imprisoned by an authoritarian government.

Mandela was the terrorist leader of a violent terrorist organisation, the ANC (African National Congress) which was responsible for many thousands of, mostly black, deaths. The ANC's blood spattered history is frequently ignored, but reminders occasionally pop up in the most embarrassing places, indeed as recently as this month the names of Nelson Mandela and most of the ANC remained on the US government's terrorist watch list along with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and the Tamil Tigers. Of course the forces of political correctness are rushing to amend that embarrassing reminder from the past. However, Mandela's name was not on that list by mistake, he was there because of his Murderous past.

Before I am accused of calumny, it should be noted that Mandela does not seek to hide his past, in his autobiography "the long walk to Freedom" he casually admits "signing off" the 1983 Church Street bombing carried out by the ANC and killing 19 innocent people whilst injuring another 200.

It is true that Mandela approved that massacre and other ANC killings from his prison cell, and there is no evidence that he personally killed anyone but the same could be said about Stalin or Hitler, and the violent history of the ANC, the organisation he led is not in question.

According to the Human Rights Commission it is estimated that during the Apartheid period some 21,000 people were killed, however both the UN Crimes against Humanity commission and South Africa's own Truth and Reconciliation Commission are in agreement that in those 43 years the South African Security forces killed a total of 518 people. The rest, (some 92%) were accounted for by Africans killing Africans, many by means of the notorious and gruesome practice of necklacing whereby a car tyre full of petrol is placed around a victim's neck and set alight. This particularly cruel form of execution was frequently carried out at the behest of the ANC with the enthusiastic support of Mandela's demonic wife Winnie.

The brutal reappearance of the deadly necklace in recent weeks is something I shall reluctantly focus upon later.

Given that so much blood was on the hands of his party, and, as such, the newly appointed government, some may conclude that those who praised Mandela's mercy and forgiveness, when the Truth and Reconciliation tribunal set up after he came to power, to look into the Apartheid years, did not include a provision for sanctions, were being deliberately naive.

Such nativity is not uncommon when it comes to the adoring reporting of Nelson Mandela, and neither is the great leader himself rarely shy of playing up his image of fatherly elder statesman and multi-purpose paragon. However, in truth, the ANC's conscious decision to reject a policy of non-violence, such as that chosen by Gandhi, in their struggle against the white government, had left them, and by extension, their leader, with at least as much blood on their hands as their one time oppressors, and this fact alone prevented them from enacting the revenge which might otherwise have been the case..

As the first post Apartheid president of South Africa it would, be unfair if not ludicrous to judge Mandela entirely on the basis of events before he came to power, and in any event there is many a respected world leader or influential statesman with a blood stained past so in the next part I shall examine Nelson Mandela's achievements, and the events which have occurred in South Africa in the 14 short years since he took power in following the post Apartheid election in 1994.

[MeNeZ]

Part 2


Mandela - The Legend and the Legacy Part 2


By Sarah, Maid of Albion

In the second of two articles examining the life of Nelson Mandela, in advance of Friday's concert in Hyde Park celebrating the living legend's 90th birthday, I shall look at his legacy and the new South Africa which he created after coming to power on a surge of worldwide optimism and hope in 1994, when, following the end of Apartheid, he and his followers promised a new dawn for what became termed the Rainbow Nation.

Today South Africa stands out as one of the most dangerous and crime ridden nations on Earth which is not actively at War. In 2001, only seven years after the end of Apartheid, whilst the city of Amsterdam in the Netherlands with 5,6 murders per 100,000 population was declared the "murder capitol of Europe", Johannesburg, with 61.2 murders per 100,00 population and remains the world's top murder city.

In South Africa as a whole, the murder rate is seven times that of America, in terms of rape the rate is ten times as high and includes the ugly phenomenon of child rape, one of the few activities in which South Africa is now a world leader. If you don't believe me, you can read what Oprah Winfrey has to say about it here.

All other forms of violent crime are out of control, and Johannesburg is among the top world cities for muggings and violent assault, a fact seldom mentioned in connection with the 2010 World Cup which is scheduled to be hosted in South Africa .

As always with black violence the primary victims are their fellow blacks, however, the rape, murder and violent assault of whites is a daily event, and there is more .....

As with the Matabeleland massacres, news of which the BBC, together with much of the world media suppressed for twenty years to protect their one time hero, Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, another secret genocide is being ignored by the world media, the genocide of white Boer farmers, thousands of whom have been horribly tortured to death in their homes since the end of Apartheid. Anyone who clicks on this link should we warned that it includes some very gruesome images as the savagery of these attacks belie the authorities attempts to dismiss them as nothing more than a "crime wave".

Given that it is now all but illegal in South Africa to report the race of either victim or the perpetrator of a crime (unless the perpetrator is white and the victim black) and as modern South Africa's official crime statistics are notoriously massaged, it is impossible to know the exact numbers of farm murders that have taken place. Many reliable sources estimate the figure as close to 3,000, but even if we take the more conservative figure of 1,600 quoted in the politically correct South African press (but not quoted at all in ours) this is three times the numbers killed by the South African security forces over a period of 43 years, and which the UN calls a crime against humanity.

To put this in perspective, the population of South Africa is 47 million, (13 million less than Britain despite its far greater land mass) of which the 4.3 million whites account for 9.1%, about 1% less than the immigrant population of Britain . Can you imagine the outcry if 1,600 (let alone 3,000) members of a minority community in Britain were tortured to death by the native population?.

Yet when the victims are white, there is hardly a peep in the South African press and silence from the international media. Compare this to when a white youth is the killer, such as in the case of Johan Nel, who shot three Africans, a story which became instant world wide news with the predictable screams of racism and machete wielding mobs baying for his blood.

(And they accuse us of hate?!! Don't such people nauseate themselves with their hypocrisy?!)

Crime aside, Mandela and his ANC inherited the strongest economy in Africa, indeed, despite economic sanctions, South Africa was still one of the richest world nations, and indeed initially there was a brief post Apartheid boom, resulting from the lifting of sanctions and due to the fact that until affirmative action forced most of the whites out of their jobs to be replaced by under qualified blacks, those who had built South Africa were still in place.

However, any optimism was to be short lived. Now, after just 14 years of rule by Mandela and his grim successor Mbeki, corruption is rife, the country is beset with power cuts and the infrastructure is crumbling.

The nation's great cities like Durban and Johannesburg, which could once rival the likes of Sydney, Vancouver andSan Francisco, had descended in to decaying crime ridden slums within a decade.

And in the last few weeks we have seen the so called Rainbow nations ultimate humiliation, as xenophobic anti immigration violence spreads across the country. ("xenophobic" is what the media call racism when blacks do it) As poverty and unemployment explodes and is exacerbated by the floods of immigrants flooding in to escape the even more advanced Africanisation of the rest of the continent, the mobs turn on those they blame for stealing their jobs, their homes, and their women.

Thus the cycle turns, and, like watching some barbaric version of "back to the future", on the news we see exactly the same scenes we saw on our televisions twenty years ago, wrecked buildings, burning vehicles, mobs brandishing machetes, axes and knives hacking at everything and everyone which comes within their reach. Most horrific of all, we see the return of that most savage symbol of African brutality, the necklace where, to the cheers of a blood thirsty crowd, some poor trembling soul, with a tire around his neck, is dragged from his home and set alight, exactly as all those other poor souls were set alight throughout the Apartheid years, when we were told it was all the evil white man's fault.

As nothing else the return of the necklace exposes the failure of Mandela's revolution, and those who fought for him should weep.

Under Apartheid, blacks and whites went to separate hospitals but they received world class health care, whatever their colour, now the facilities are collapsing or non-existent. Black children went to different schools than white children, but they received an education, something which is now a privileged luxury. When they grew up, their bosses may have been white, but they had jobs and a living wage, as the recent violence shows us, such security is but a memory for most South Africans.

Eighteen years after Nelson and Winnie made their historic walk towards the cameras, and 14 years, since Mandela assumed power on a tide of optimism, a once proud South Africa slides like a crumbling, crime ridden, wreck towards a precipice created through greed, corruption and incompetence.

For all his gleaming smiles, grandfatherly hand gestures, and folksy sound bites, tomorrow night, when crowd cheers the retired terrorist in the gaudy shirt, they would do best not to focus too closely upon his much admired legacy, as they might just find that the Xhosan Emperor has no clothes. For Nelson Mandela's lasting achievement is that, in the face of a world wishing him well, he, and the party he leads, have shown the world that, for all its flaws, Apartheid was a more benign system than what replaced it, and that the average South African was immeasurably better off under the hated white rule than they are under the alternative which black rule has created.

That is quite an achievement, Mr Mandela, happy birthday.

[blunomore]

For all his gleaming smiles, grandfatherly hand gestures, and folksy sound bites, tomorrow night, when crowd cheers the retired terrorist in the gaudy shirt, they would do best not to focus too closely upon his much admired legacy, as they might just find that the Xhosan Emperor has no clothes. For Nelson Mandela's lasting achievement is that, in the face of a world wishing him well, he, and the party he leads, have shown the world that, for all its flaws, Apartheid was a more benign system than what replaced it, and that the average South African was immeasurably better off under the hated white rule than they are under the alternative which black rule has created.



An issue that the author of the e-mail conveniently ignores, is that, to move in the direction of a democracy, you need systems and structures that allow for equality, so while things are far from perfect now, people have rights, they have recourse in cases where their rights get trampled and there are checks and balances. The functioning of these are currently under scrutiny, since they are far from perfect.

It is ridiculous for people to think all will be well if we go back to the old system - apartheid. We ought to work on improving the new.

[MeNeZ]

It is ridiculous for people to think all will be well if we go back to the old system - apartheid. We ought to work on improving the new.

Im not sure shes implying that we should go back to apartheid...Just trying to raise awareness as to how incredibly messed up the whole situation is...

Especially the hypocrisy

[Claymore]

Wow, talk about ignorant. I don't even know how many of her "facts" are even correct, given that she thought Nelson Mandela was leader of the ANC. Then she conveniently forgets a whole bunch of socio-economic factors that were the cause of some of the things she talks about.

[blunomore]

Im not sure shes implying that we should go back to apartheid...Just trying to raise awareness as to how incredibly messed up the whole situation is...

Especially the hypocrisy


Sure, but energy is better spent trying to improve the current situation than saying things were better in the past.

JMO.

[DDV TECH]

You know what the worst thing is? This woman with all her ducks in a row, all the facts that no one here can refute, will be made out to be a racist crackpot and completely ignored by the press. Before you disagree or bash me, take a look around and you will see it’s all true. Thank you for the tread, good, but disturbing reading.

[MeNeZ]

I found her blog site - http://www.commandtheraven.com/2008/08/28/mandela-the-legend-and-the-legacy-part-1-2/

Bet that comments box is gonna fulled up lol

[blunomore]

You know what the worst thing is? This woman with all her ducks in a row, all the facts that no one here can refute, will be made out to be a racist crackpot and completely ignored by the press. Before you disagree or bash me, take a look around and you will see it’s all true. Thank you for the tread, good, but disturbing reading.


Her choice of language is not really helping her, DDV.

[Claymore]

You know what the worst thing is? This woman with all her ducks in a row, all the facts that no one here can refute, will be made out to be a racist crackpot and completely ignored by the press. Before you disagree or bash me, take a look around and you will see it’s all true. Thank you for the tread, good, but disturbing reading.

The problem is that some of her facts, at the least, are wrong. That gives me no confidence that anything else has been researched properly.

[TheHiveMind]

"the murder rate is seven times that of America"

AFAIK its ATLEAST 10 times the US rate, and according to certain stats its as high at 16 times.

[DDV TECH]

The problem is that some of her facts, at the least, are wrong. That gives me no confidence that anything else has been researched properly.

Ok I’m open to a history lesson, if you want to give me one.


Her choice of language is not really helping her, DDV.


Yes she doesn’t come across as completely unbiased, but I thought her facts were mostly correct, apparently I was wrong there also. :rolleyes:

[MeNeZ]

Heres a thread where other peeps replied...

http://sarahmaidofalbion2.blogspot.com/2008/06/mandela-legend-and-legacy.html

[orin76]

This is a woman with one massive chip on her shoulder. Is she a former saffer by any chance?

[DDV TECH]

This is a woman with one massive chip on her shoulder. Is she a former saffer by any chance?

Yes a complete racist for speaking her mind, OMG I knew this would happen. :confused:

[orin76]

Yes a complete racist for speaking her mind, OMG I knew this would happen. :confused:

I don't recall calling her a racist. Don't jump to conclusions there junior. I'm just saying that the tone of the blog suggests that she has issues. If my criticism of her offends you, then so be it.

[DDV TECH]

. Don't jump to conclusions there junior. I'm just saying that the tone of the blog suggests that she has issues. If my criticism of her offends you, then so be it.

Lol from old fart, to junior..you have to love this forum.:D

Yes I agree I jumped the gun, and no nothing you can ever say will bother me for longer than the time it took to read. ;)

[lexor]

This is a woman with one massive chip on her shoulder. Is she a former saffer by any chance?


Sounds like it !

[Claymore]

Ok I’m open to a history lesson, if you want to give me one.


For most people all they know about Mandela, prior to his release in 1990, was that he had spent 27 years in prison and was considered by many on the left at the time (and almost everyone now) to be a political prisoner. However, Mandela was no Aung San Suu Kyi, he was not an innocent, democratically elected leader, imprisoned by an authoritarian government.

Mandela was the terrorist leader of a violent terrorist organisation, the ANC (African National Congress) which was responsible for many thousands of, mostly black, deaths.

Mandela was not leader of the ANC; Oliver Tambo was.

As for the mention of the Church Street bombing, where she says Mandela authorised it: I haven't read Mandela's book, but he was, after all, in prison, and Wikipedia has this to say:
"In submissions to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) in 1997 and 1998, the ANC revealed that the attack was orchestrated by a special operations unit of the ANC's Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK), commanded by Aboobaker Ismail. Such units had been authorised by Oliver Tambo, the ANC President, in 1979. At the time of the attack, they reported to Joe Slovo as chief of staff, and the Church Street attack was authorised by Tambo."

I'm not denying that Mandela was involved in a lot of terrorist activities. It does say something about his character when you read things like this though:
"Mandela later admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights, and has sharply criticised attempts by parts of his party to remove statements supporting this fact from the reports of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission."

[DDV TECH]

Mandela was not leader of the ANC; Oliver Tambo was.

As for the mention of the Church Street bombing, where she says Mandela authorised it: I haven't read Mandela's book, but he was, after all, in prison, and Wikipedia has this to say:
I'm not denying that Mandela was involved in a lot of terrorist activities. It does say something about his character when you read things like this though:

Well I was commenting more on her observations regarding decaying infrastructure and black on black attacks, I would hardly suggest that people go outside to check if Mandela was the leader of the ANC years ago?. BUT if her facts are wrong then they are wrong, if you want to post an article like this you (and here I mean She) better be sure of the facts.

Yes it says a lot about his character, but is what she stated true, did he admit to those things…

[orin76]

Yes it says a lot about his character, but is what she stated true, did he admit to those things…

If he was involved would it cause you to despise him now? I prefer to judge people on who they are now, not who they were 30 years ago.

Remember that one of the Apostles persecuted Christians for a living yet most of us now remember him for what he did after he was saved.

[Alan]

Mandela is today what Mugabe was 20 years ago to the media

[DDV TECH]

If he was involved would it cause you to despise him now? I prefer to judge people on who they are now, not who they were 30 years ago.

Remember that one of the Apostles persecuted Christians for a living yet most of us now remember him for what he did after he was saved.

I never said I despised Mandela, don’t jump to conclusions junior. We all have to live with what and who we are, our previous actions not excluded, I cannot condone terrorism in any shape or form, no matter how noble the cause seem to be.

EDIT: Sorry man, I never discuss religion on line, that’s a door that leads nowhere. Nothing personal.

[dogmeat]

This was a mind blowing read. Thank you so much for posting. Very well written and researched. I really respect people who go against the common norm.

[Aqua_lung]

By Sarah, Maid of Albion

Credibility?... none

[dogmeat]

Credibility?... none

She's going against what we've all been brainwashed into believing and raising some very interesting points. It's not a case of right or wrong, that's for you to decided. Just look at the situation from two different perspectives. It's actually irrelevant who she is.

[DDV TECH]

Credibility?... none

Told you.

[orin76]

I never said I despised Mandela, don’t jump to conclusions junior

Good one :D



EDIT: Sorry man, I never discuss religion on line, that’s a door that leads nowhere. Nothing personal.

No worries, I was just using it as an example. I'm not actually a practicing Christian.

[Aqua_lung]

She's going against what we've all been brainwashed into believing and raising some very interesting points. It's not a case of right or wrong, that's for you to decided. Just look at the situation from two different perspectives. It's actually irrelevant who she is.

You can get this perspective by visiting sites like stormfront, all I'm saying is that this "blogger" has no credibility and a history of racist postings.

[dogmeat]

You can get this perspective by visiting sites like stormfront, all I'm saying is that this "blogger" has no credibility and a history of racist postings.

I understand. I believe in a balance though and reject so called "saints". I'm not familiar with her blog so I don't know about her other posts but with regards to this article, I thought she raised a few good points which make you think about the other side of the man. I'm certainly not denouncing what he's done for South Africans in his recent years as well as promoting South Africas image. He certainly is a philanthropist now and has been over the past decade but I like to look beyond all the media garbage and look further into someones history. I'm one of the people that grew up knowing Mandela as an icon for hope and philanthropy so it's interesting for me to read a negative opinion on him.

It's so easy to get brainwashed and it's always great when someone knocks your ideas around a bit, perhaps it might open a few more doors.

[Aqua_lung]

It's so easy to get brainwashed and it's always great when someone knocks your ideas around a bit, perhaps it might open a few more doors.

I agree

[The Cosmos]

I wonder if that lady is looking for some prize or some recognition. I guess she doesn't know about

this (http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~springbk/enemy.html) and

this (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-30-watchlist_N.htm)

He was on their list. I wonder why. :rolleyes:

[Rahl]

Politics aside

Lets ignore the content first and look at the impression this creates. As an outside person writing this and other people will read this it doesn't bode well for our countries image. Even if she is a unknown person. Where there is smoke there is fire and if enough people start raising questions people will start having doubts about the Rainbow nation.

And the things she said about crime is true isn't they? We have a high crime rate and yes we behave like a bunch of spoiled children. We killed other people just because we are scared and too lazy to compete with them. :(

We have an amazing country but I can't help but feel we are squandering it.

[DDV TECH]

Politics aside

Lets ignore the content first and look at the impression this creates. As an outside person writing this and other people will read this it doesn't bode well for our countries image. Even if she is a unknown person. Where there is smoke there is fire and if enough people start raising questions people will start having doubts about the Rainbow nation.

And the things she said about crime is true isn't they? We have a high crime rate and yes we behave like a bunch of spoiled children. We killed other people just because we are scared and too lazy to compete with them. :(

We have an amazing country but I can't help but feel we are squandering it.

Well said.