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Gamos

17-05-2004, 08:37 AM

Read the whole article here:
http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/business/2004/0405141200.asp?S=Black%20Empowerment&A=BLE&O=FRGN

Does this not just boil your blood?

The DA said on Tuesday that the draft ICT empowerment charter needed substantial changes to prevent significant additional costs to foreign investments in SA. The DA said it had been calculated that the transfer of 25% of the listed technology groups alone would cost around R3.7 billion, with 25% of Microsoft SA worth R500 million. The party added that there was a lack of black investors to take up the 25% of ownership in these companies in the next five years.

“The DA has commented on the value of what 25% of Microsoft shares would cost, but we are not interested in the views of people who have been rejected by the voters of SA,” Mpofu said angrily at this morning's indaba.

mbs

17-05-2004, 10:13 AM

Why should it? You're pre-supposing that members of this forum are pro-DA and would react to emotive political statements, irrespective of their source. Take note - this forum has to do with the betterment of the ADSL service offerings of Telkom, and has nothing to do with whatever stance individuals or parties of any political persuasion may adopt about non-ADSL issues. If you wish to comment on the merits/de-merits of equity ownership, that's another story. Suggest you post your comment and stance as an 'Off Topic' item, putting forward your non-political viewpoint on the issue of equity...

Gamos

17-05-2004, 01:59 PM

I am not pre-supposing anything. You are infact pre-supposing ragarding the emotional nature of the post. This is directly related to the merits/demerits of the equity ownership in fact. Has government become so arrogant as to reject any input from elsewhere? Me? I am no DA supporter, but I would have hoped my party to take input from other parties.

Can you seriously not see the problem here? If the USA proposed that, would they have said 'Sorry, you aren't South African?'

I would think a government (with Telecoms the state they are in) would welcome input from every direction and not persue the old political slant on things. The next thing we will hear is some or other drivel on the apartheid government I am sure.

I agree however that this is more IT related than ADSL related, so Admins, feel free to move this...

BTTB

17-05-2004, 05:17 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">we are not interested in the views of people who have been rejected by the voters of SA,” Mpofu said angrily<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I hope Mpofu said this in the spur of the moment and regretted it afterwards. I am apolitical and fail to see any justifiable reasoning why he would comment so strongly about an issue that is clearly not political. This issue benefits all South Africans. It seems whenever comment comes from opposing parties, they are deemed to be of no worth. How foolish such people are. And how out of touch he is with reality? Any comment coming from any source, if backed by facts should be considered. Mpofu fails to give an adequate reason why the DA's comments are not valid and hence I can deduce that his reasoning is politically motivated. I cannot also see how 2 million people that did vote DA could actually be rejecting it. What is more worrying to me is the 1.5 to 2.5 million people that didn't register or couldn’t be bothered to vote. To me that’s a show of no confidence. Had the same people that voted in 1994 actually voted, the ANC by my calculations would of received only 55% of the total vote and not 69% as their voter count has dwindled from 12.5 million to 10.5 in 1999 to 10.8 million in 2004. This shows a decline in their own votes of 16% and apathy from several million South Africans that didn't vote, because of various reasons. I also feel sad everytime we lose our valuable family and friends because of relocation to other parts of the world. About 1 million odd South Africans have left South Africa in the last decade because they cant find jobs over here. Thats a significant amount of people that we couldnt really afford to lose in the first place. Do you ever hear one comment of concern from within Mpofu's ranks? He couldn't be bothered as he is now himself joined the long and extended gravy train.
AAARRRRGGGG bla bla bla..... politics suuucksss.

Im sorry to ramble on. I must of had a tough day. Perhaps this is bit off topic. I apologise. Next time I will keep to the point.[:D]

<hr noshade size="1">You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.

mbs

17-05-2004, 07:10 PM

GAMOS:
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I am not pre-supposing anything. You are infact pre-supposing ragarding the emotional nature of the post.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Really? I don't think so - 'Does this not just boil your blood?' is an emotive post if I've ever seen one. Similarly, your emotive reaction is in response to another emotive statement - '"we are not interested in the views of people who have been rejected by the voters of SA,” Mpofu said angrily'.

You also have your facts wrong - 'Has government become so arrogant as to reject any input from elsewhere?'. Dali Mpofu is not Government, and is in fact an Altron employee. He's the Chair of the working group that's trying to get the IT sector to sort out its equity issues, in line with Government policy.

Anyway, all of this is irrelevant, and is my final posting on this thread. As the originator, you can delete it in the interests of pursuing this forum's objectives...

Gamos

17-05-2004, 07:35 PM

I was more referring to this --> 'You're pre-supposing that members of this forum are pro-DA.' That could not be further from the truth.

Anyway, I have no interest in deleting this post, moving it yes. Admins?

freeek

19-05-2004, 02:18 PM

politics politics!!!

..- dot dot dash ;)