View Full Version : Interesting viewpoint in regard to R5 petrol price
19-05-2004, 03:06 PM
And other things.
Of course I don't look busy.....I did it right the first time.
19-05-2004, 06:15 PM
Sounds like the end of another civilization to me. I am serious when I say this. The west doesn't know what, who or why it exists. Like the Romans, the American (especially) are starting to make tons of enemies purely because it exists. Some of those enemies reside inside itself. People with set notions on what is right and what is wrong and even more within it with the oposite views. Couple that with the violent opposition to the existence of the west from other countries (which I can't even try to mention because some of them aren't even aparent yet)and you have a cookie that is going to have to crumble at some point. The good news however is that a new civilization will grow somewhere else and will be hated in the future all over again. This civilization like the Roman Empire, Chinese and those before them will also go through the same process. It is a simple fact of life. Doesn't even matter on which side of the divide you are on, all sides get it in the end...
Just keep your own concience clear and live life the way you deem it to be good and beneficial to others, I say. That is what I say, what do you say?
Oh and by the way, the Roman Empire also saw heavy increases in the prices of necessary goods near its end... Oil anybody?
Who moved my cheese?
He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
21-05-2004, 09:06 AM
Where's the mighty barbarian horde waiting to pillage america, in Canada perhaps. The fuel prices have sky rocketed before, so i wouldnt call this the end of america!! The americans also havenít got to the stage that rome was in before its collapse where the army was falling apart through lack of funding and dwindling patriotism amongst the Roman citizens not to mention constant civil wars and the splitting of the empire into east and west.
The only real comparison that can be drawn between america and the decline of Rome is the mass immigration that also occured before Rome's fall where the core Roman citizens, that had started Rome, became so mixed up with different cultures and beliefs that they lost the sense of the Roman Empire being 'their' empire but rather regarded it as simply 'the' empire with little sense of belonging. America has so far been very good at making new population groups entering the States "American" but now they are starting to show signs of being a nation thats not entirely American and that may possibley be the end of them.
21-05-2004, 11:42 AM
Every Tyrant has his day!
..- dot dot dash ;)
Ja - and give a Tyrant enough rope and it'll hang itself...
22-05-2004, 06:09 PM
I thought this war was all about cheap oil?
Both officially and unofficially - no. It's about power - nothing more, nothing less. Terrorism is the official lever, oil is the unofficial lever. Vonnegut postulates that the unofficial lever is an addictive mechanism, hence we're all going to have to go 'cold turkey' when it's no longer available. If he'd taken his postulate a bit further, he'd realise that it's about power - withdrawal from power addiction is potentially worse than anything else, as the first symptoms of dependency are delusions of grandeur, ultimately leading to corruption, God complexes, societal chaos, etc. History proves the point over and over, as does our modern scenarios - see not only the US, but Zimbabwe, China, Equatorial Guinea, <i>ad nauseum</i>. Perhaps this is a simplistic and niaive analysis of the political economies of whatever, but nevertheless to the point, supported by numerous evidence...
Don't expect any of us to go cold turkey any time soon though. While the price is going up, there is a limit to where it can go before countries simply stop buying from OPEC and start buying from Russia.
Of course, if you're living in the States, you should be worried, but not if you're living in South Africa.
We're fortunate enough to be living in a country that is even more neutral than Switzerland. African politics can be very easily defined as "telling each side what they want to hear."
Our beloved leadership will continue to pal up to the West, the East, the Europeans and the Terrorists. We are the ultimate straddlers, you will even find we sell weapons to both sides of the conflict.
American and Israeli carriers recently got retrofitted to employ the South African made MKonto (Spear) missile. The MKonto-1 is a unique missile in that it is equally effective as surface to air, surface to surface, air to surface or air to air guided missile.
You will also find it interesting that such upstanding world citizens as Iran and Libya also have a credit account with our fence-sitting government.
We don't fight wars, we just supply the firepower.
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