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Please see what the song means that Zuma sings. Its terrible!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umshini_wami
Lyrics
Zulu ↓
Umshini wami mshini wami (lead)
khawuleth'umshini wami (Follower)
Umshini wami mshini wami,
khawuleth'umshini wami
Umshini wami mshini wami,
khawuleth'umshini wami
khawuleth'umshini wami
Wen'uyang'ibambezela(Lead)
umshini wami, khawuleth'umshini wami(Follower)
English ↓
My machine my machine Gun
Please bring my machine gun
My machine gun my machine gun
Please bring my machine gun
My machine gun my machine gun
Please bring my machine gun
Please bring my machine gun
You're pulling me back
My machine gun, Please bring my machine gun
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 09:40 AM
*sigh*, the song is terrible how? It's repetitive and the insinuation is open to interpretation.
I dislike JZ as much as the next guy, but seriously, this song can not be classified as "terrible" - unless you mean how shyte it is...
gdiza
14-10-2008, 09:41 AM
As is everything "Zuma" related... terrible! :mad:
Well what's everyone going to say if say Tony Blair sings that.
It just seems as though guns and violence in African countries are expectable ... and the worst thing about it is that people are behind it all.
Natasha H
14-10-2008, 09:51 AM
*sigh*, the song is terrible how? It's repetitive and the insinuation is open to interpretation.
I dislike JZ as much as the next guy, but seriously, this song can not be classified as "terrible" - unless you mean how shyte it is...
Maybe not terrible in its original place, during the struggle.. Scary that they are singing it now :)
TheHiveMind
14-10-2008, 10:06 AM
"It's repetitive and the insinuation is open to interpretation."
It is used inappropriately. You cannot put those situations into an acceptable context.
blunomore
14-10-2008, 10:10 AM
Well, for one thing, it is pretty darn boring and repetitive. Cannot afford a decent lyricist?
If you ask me he wants war or wants to kill....
SlinkyMike
14-10-2008, 10:12 AM
Maybe not terrible in its original place, during the struggle.. Scary that they are singing it now :)
..almost - I think the real issue is that this country has a history of political violence, thinks St. James massacre; Heidelberg tavern amongst other incidents (on both sides).
The violent undertones of this song hark back to a time when violence was used to further political goals and that is hurtful to people who have suffered as result of that violence in the past.
Whatever your interpretation: this song seems to be the antithesis of transformation; the rainbow nation and indeed the very constitution that it is rooted in.
To think that our 'fait accomlpli' next president is not intelligent and sensitive enough to see and avoid this is very disconcerting, its in pretty poor taste really.
blunomore
14-10-2008, 10:14 AM
To think that our 'fait accomlpli' next president is not intelligent and sensitive enough to see and avoid this is very disconcerting, its in pretty poor taste really.
Yes, well, we're not dealing with rocket scientists here.
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 10:16 AM
Yes, well, we're not dealing with rocket scientists here.
Neither should we be dealing with Baboons or Zombies. Lekota seems to be more interesting, Maybe I will have a party to vote for after all!
Trent242
14-10-2008, 10:20 AM
What's terrible is the ANC YL wanting to ' go to war ' for absolutely anything.
You want to prosecute Zuma ? We're going to war.
Retain Mbeki as president ? We're going to war.
You want to create a splinter party ? We're going to war.
You're serving meatloaf in the cafeteria ? We're going to war.
*Insert idea here*. We're going to war.
rwenzori
14-10-2008, 10:23 AM
Neither should we be dealing with Baboons or Zombies. Lekota seems to be more interesting, Maybe I will have a party to vote for after all!
Am I sensing a bit of that good ole-time racism here?????
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 10:26 AM
What's terrible is the ANC YL wanting to ' go to war ' for absolutely anything.
You want to prosecute Zuma ? We're going to war.
Retain Mbeki as president ? We're going to war.
You want to create a splinter party ? We're going to war.
You're serving meatloaf in the cafeteria ? We're going to war.
*Insert idea here*. We're going to war.
Wrong on all counts, a little.
They never ended the "War" or struggle. Its only on hold until Mbeki pegs. They will ruin this country as they want to return to communism. They do not like the idea that the ANC leaders want to retain the status quo of capitalism once they tasted the benefits of defrauded cash in the pocket.
Moederloos
14-10-2008, 10:27 AM
Needs to be simple so JZ can remember the words.
blunomore
14-10-2008, 10:32 AM
Neither should we be dealing with Baboons or Zombies.
This is politics, dear.
What you SHOULD be dealing with and what you ARE dealing with, is chalk and cheese.
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 10:38 AM
The song may be used in a violent context, but the song itself is not terrible (in terms of the OP's original insinuation) - the lyrics aren't severe - hell there's some rap songs that's way waaaaay worse....
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 10:43 AM
The song may be used in a violent context, but the song itself is not terrible (in terms of the OP's original insinuation) - the lyrics aren't severe - hell there's some rap songs that's way waaaaay worse....
It not the song but the context its used in. Maybe we see to much in it, maybe Zuma just forgot the struggle is supposed to be over or maybe like rwenzori he believes its not done yet, the settlers is still not driven out :D
Only it does not bode well when he sings the song in every public meeting specially with the ANCYL and that just stirs the old emotions along a decade+ after it was supposed to be all done.
TheHiveMind
14-10-2008, 10:56 AM
The song may be used in a violent context, but the song itself is not terrible (in terms of the OP's original insinuation) - the lyrics aren't severe - hell there's some rap songs that's way waaaaay worse....
Yes, but governments don't go around singing rap songs. They are expressly forbidden to spread hate speech, and yet the ANC has just ignored that since the beginning. They want to keep the struggle fresh in the minds and keep that racism burning. Judging by their votes, its clear that the majority support the racism. Is it not hypocritical to vote for a government that is blatantly racist, while advocating disadvantages being placed on whites for doing the exact same thing?
Either you support transformation or you support racism. You cannot have both. And in this the masses are failing in their responsbility. We handed over the country. Its in their hands. And atm they are falling into the trap of "I told you so".
Lord-Nikon
14-10-2008, 11:04 AM
The song may be used in a violent context, but the song itself is not terrible (in terms of the OP's original insinuation) - the lyrics aren't severe - hell there's some rap songs that's way waaaaay worse....
"I can ride my bike with no handle bars, no handle bars, no handle bars..." --- Jip, there are songs that are a lot worse then that of JZ :D
Back to JZ, he is a key political figure that is constant in the eye of the public and drawing attention to himself. He is suppose to outer the qualities of a leader as he expects to become one pretty soon, and uttering nonsense like this song looks bad on him as a leader that should have more brains then a baked bean to realize that this behavior is inappropriate to what he's suppose to stand for. Looking at his background and that of SA it is clear what he is insinuating by singing this song in public at a political conference. He is expressing his malice towards apartheid and racism that is completely uncalled for. He is such a poor leader and has no concept of politics...
my 2c
blunomore
14-10-2008, 11:09 AM
He is expressing his malice towards apartheid and racism that is completely uncalled for. He is such a poor leader and has no concept of politics...
It would be fine if he simply said: Racism and apartheid attitudes will not be tolerated; however, he makes insidious references to violence.
skoob
14-10-2008, 11:09 AM
From what I understand it translates to, give me my weapon, because I am going to fight the apartheid. And with that said, don't think anyone actually told them that its over. In my opinion, I would like to see the song banned.
Lord-Nikon
14-10-2008, 11:10 AM
It would be fine if he simply said: Racism and apartheid attitudes will not be tolerated; however, he makes insidious references to violence.
+1 :D
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:11 AM
What is wrong with you people?
Please see what the song means that Zuma sings. Its terrible!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umshini_wami
Lyrics
Zulu ↓
Umshini wami mshini wami (lead)
khawuleth'umshini wami (Follower)
Umshini wami mshini wami,
khawuleth'umshini wami
Umshini wami mshini wami,
khawuleth'umshini wami
khawuleth'umshini wami
Wen'uyang'ibambezela(Lead)
umshini wami, khawuleth'umshini wami(Follower)
English ↓
My machine my machine Gun
Please bring my machine gun
My machine gun my machine gun
Please bring my machine gun
My machine gun my machine gun
Please bring my machine gun
Please bring my machine gun
You're pulling me back
My machine gun, Please bring my machine gun
The lyrics is no way more terrible than many many other songs. Period. Just because a tosser like JZ chooses to sing this song to drum up support doesn't make the song terrible.
Always be negative bunch of morons.
Lord-Nikon
14-10-2008, 11:15 AM
What is wrong with you people?
The lyrics is no way more terrible than many many other songs. Period. Just because a tosser like JZ chooses to sing this song to drum up support doesn't make the song terrible.
Always be negative bunch of morons.
I think you are missing the point here. It's not so much about the song, but the person singing the song... He is 'n key political figure and singing (with much joy) songs like this doesn't reflect good and leaves the gap for assumptions :D
But thank you for calling us all a moron :D
Aqua_lung
14-10-2008, 11:15 AM
Not that different from McCain's hit Bomb, Bomb, Bomb. Bomb, Bomb, Iran.
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 11:18 AM
What is wrong with you people?........Always be negative bunch of morons.
Speak for yourself, Are You condoning Zuma and the Zombie song he sings? C'mon I thought more of you than that. :D
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:20 AM
I think you are missing the point here. It's not so much about the song, but the person singing the song... He is 'n key political figure and singing (with much joy) songs like this doesn't reflect good and leaves the gap for assumptions :DClearly you're missing the point - it is entirely about the song - in fact entirely about the lyrics, as the OP not only posted a wikipedia to the "terrible" lyrics, but even reproduced the "terrible" lyrics here....
But thank you for calling us all a moron :DIf the shoe fits.
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:21 AM
Speak for yourself, Are You condoning Zuma and the Zombie song he sings? C'mon I thought more of you than that. :DYeah, I'm condoning Zuma :rolleyes:
Lord-Nikon
14-10-2008, 11:22 AM
LOL @ kingmonty... what a clown!
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 11:22 AM
Yeah, I'm condoning Zuma :rolleyes:
Though so. Thats why you are so adament in his defence. Ag Shame. Another victim.
What is wrong with you people?
The lyrics is no way more terrible than many many other songs. Period. Just because a tosser like JZ chooses to sing this song to drum up support doesn't make the song terrible.
Always be negative bunch of morons.
Why are you wasting your time on this thread then??? HUH??
So you are actually saying that it is good that a leader sings songs like to to bring peace and unity to a country.?? NO. It will just make thing worse! More hate.
Wake up slap takkie!
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:24 AM
LOL @ kingmonty... what a clown!And you're still a moron.
Though so. Thats why you are so adament in his defence. Ag Shame. Another victim.http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 11:25 AM
LOL @ kingmonty... what a clown!
Oh You just accidentally stumbled in view of a mirror, determined accidentally how it works and saw a clown. What an majestic achievement. Oh Lord :p
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:25 AM
Why are you wasting your time on this thread then??? HUH??
So you are actually saying that it is good that a leader sings songs like to to bring peace and unity to a country.?? NO. It will just make thing worse! More hate.
Wake up slap takkie!
Let's get it straight:
Do you think the song is terrible or that an overzealous fat womanising politician with severely limited reasoning skills sings it is terrible?
And you're still a moron.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
@ Kingmonty you sound like a 9 year old...
TheHiveMind
14-10-2008, 11:26 AM
Yeah, I'm condoning Zuma :rolleyes:
The government does not have that freedom to spread hate and seperation, but they do anyway. And its people like you who overlook it, or try to validate it, that are the same as whites who overlooked an apartheid. Have a nice day.
And no the problem is not the song, the problem is that someone is singing the song and getting others to join in.
The fact that he is government only makes it worse. And that he may be next president, is unacceptable.
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 11:26 AM
And you're still a moron.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm
Hey King, I just puling the Pi$$ on you for a change. :D Deservedly so, not?
Let's get it straight:
Do you think the song is terrible or that an overzealous fat womanising politician with severely limited reasoning skills sings it?
You are missing the whole plot brother...
Lord-Nikon
14-10-2008, 11:28 AM
And you're still a moron.
Please stop insulting the people of this thread. If you have no viable comment to offer regarding this thread then your silence is much appreciated.
.Froot.
14-10-2008, 11:35 AM
Didn't they sing that corrupt rapist's song when he was in court in PMB?
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:36 AM
The government does not have that freedom to spread hate and seperationSo the government is singing the song now?
, but they do anyway.I'll let your oversight slide
And its people like you who overlook it, or try to validate it, that are the same as whites who overlooked an apartheid.People like me........
Have a nice day.Thanks, you too.
And no the problem is not the song, the problem is that someone is singing the song and getting others to join in.Ahh finally we're getting somewhere - the song then therefore is not terrible, its use is,....
The fact that he is government only makes it worse. And that he may be next president, is unacceptable.Jacob Zuma is not government, and the government is not singing the song.... But anyway, blur the lines between the ANC and the government as much as is needed to make your point valid....
TheHiveMind
14-10-2008, 11:38 AM
At least you have a sense of humour.
I try my best :D
blunomore
14-10-2008, 11:40 AM
You are being rather narrow-minded about this, kingmonty.
It is not Joe Soap sinigng it - it is a man with a very high public profile, who wants to be the next President. A lot of our countrymen and women are not educted and they are not even streetwise, hence they are very open to suggestion. Politicians prey on that.
Try to see it in context.
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:41 AM
You are being rather narrow-minded about this, kingmonty.
It is not Joe Soap sinigng it - it is a man with a very high public profile, who wants to be the next President. A lot of our countrymen and women are not educted and they are not even streetwise, hence they are very open to suggestion. Politicians prey on that.
Try to see it in context.Condemn the man, not the song.
Lord-Nikon
14-10-2008, 11:42 AM
There are not a blinder person then the one that doesn't want to see.
+1 blunomore
skoob
14-10-2008, 11:43 AM
Please stop insulting the people of this thread. If you have no viable comment to offer regarding this thread then your silence is much appreciated.
+1
UnoPanelvan
14-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Condemn the man, not the song.
So yo condone the song then. Same difference. Thus condemn everyone that sings it or condone it.
blunomore
14-10-2008, 11:45 AM
Condemn the man, not the song.
I am condemning the man for singing the song.
I cannot condemn him for doing nothing, that would be unfair. It is about his actions.
kingmonty
14-10-2008, 11:46 AM
I am condemning the man for singing the song.
I cannot condemn him for doing nothing, that would be unfair. It is about his actions.You are, the OP wasn't - he comdemned the song as "terrible". But hey, who cares about semantics.
DDV TECH
14-10-2008, 11:52 AM
You are, the OP wasn't - he comdemned the song as "terrible". But hey, who cares about semantics.
You’re being a bit daft here, and a bit anal, it’s a K@K “song” and it’s not even a song it’s a chant. Everything connected to apartheid must go, that is the ANC’s motto, street names, hospital names, the springbok, so way in god’s name would they want to keep that song? Nowhere in the old anthem did we sing that we should kill blacks, and that was at least a song, but it had to go, it was banned from public performance, so how do you justify this song being sung?
@ kingmonty, when your family gets raped and killed come talk again!
Slootvreter
14-10-2008, 12:12 PM
Am I sensing a bit of that good ole-time racism here?????
Why, because he said Baboons? Oh yeah, that's now another word, together with apes, chimpanzees and orangutans, that we can't say. Fukc they limit our socially acceptable vocabulary by the day! :confused:
dlk001
14-10-2008, 12:15 PM
Please see what the song means that Zuma sings. Its terrible!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umshini_wami
Lyrics
Zulu ↓
Umshini wami mshini wami (lead)
English ↓
My machine my machine Gun
"Umshini wami mshini wami" actually translates to "My machine, my machine".
RVFmal
14-10-2008, 12:21 PM
Needs to be simple so JZ can remember the words.
More to the point, so that his supporters can understand it.
Natasha H
14-10-2008, 12:53 PM
@ kingmonty, when your family gets raped and killed come talk again!
Was not necessary.
Was not necessary.
@kingmonty - Uli apologises
LancelotSA
14-10-2008, 02:35 PM
I know it is news to some but I think for most the lyrics would already have been known.
Anyway it is obvious which direction this thread would take and I am going to start my bit by saying that in an ideal world the future leader of a country should probably not be singing songs with words like that.
But in saying that there are a few points to make :
* This song was obviously a major part of the struggle and something to which supporters of Zuma can strongly relate. Now if you had a song with which the masses could identify would you discard it when you are trying to drum up support? Probably not. Think American elections, they may not sing about machine guns, but they sure do know ho to say what the majority of the people want to hear.
* I will probably get told that this is a silly one but often songs become popular even when the original meaning is not so pleasant. Think of many of the nursery rhymes we sing to our children :
Ring around the Rosie - refers to the black death in the 13th century.
London Bridge - possibly refers to the destruction of London Bridge by Olaf II of Norway in 1014.
We still encourage our children to sing about these things although the original meanings may not actually be all that pleasant. Now please do not analyse the actualy songs as these are just examples.
* Yes, this song may have a history based in a violent past but as with any lyrics it is open to interpretation. The phrase "gathering up arms" or "fighting" against something you are opposed to are used in everyday speech, and yet they often do not at all refer to actually arming yourself or actual fighting but are reference to joining forces to stand up for something you believe in through diplomatic means. As with this song it could just as easily be interpreted as a metaphorical call to arms to continue the fight for what is just.
i think its quiet catchy ...working on club mix now
:D
I know it is news to some but I think for most the lyrics would already have been known.
Anyway it is obvious which direction this thread would take and I am going to start my bit by saying that in an ideal world the future leader of a country should probably not be singing songs with words like that.
But in saying that there are a few points to make :
* This song was obviously a major part of the struggle and something to which supporters of Zuma can strongly relate. Now if you had a song with which the masses could identify would you discard it when you are trying to drum up support? Probably not. Think American elections, they may not sing about machine guns, but they sure do know ho to say what the majority of the people want to hear.
* I will probably get told that this is a silly one but often songs become popular even when the original meaning is not so pleasant. Think of many of the nursery rhymes we sing to our children :
Ring around the Rosie - refers to the black death in the 13th century.
London Bridge - possibly refers to the destruction of London Bridge by Olaf II of Norway in 1014.
We still encourage our children to sing about these things although the original meanings may not actually be all that pleasant. Now please do not analyse the actualy songs as these are just examples.
* Yes, this song may have a history based in a violent past but as with any lyrics it is open to interpretation. The phrase "gathering up arms" or "fighting" against something you are opposed to are used in everyday speech, and yet they often do not at all refer to actually arming yourself or actual fighting but are reference to joining forces to stand up for something you believe in through diplomatic means. As with this song it could just as easily be interpreted as a metaphorical call to arms to continue the fight for what is just.
Yea you are right...but the worrying thing to me is the way the youth league has been going on about kill for Zuma and then all supporters sings this song with the leader... that is a bit worrying I must say...
It gives the impression that they will go to war no matter what if they don't get their way.
i think its quiet catchy ...working on club mix now
:D
I am sure you will make some good cash out of it...lol
LancelotSA
14-10-2008, 03:00 PM
Nowhere in the old anthem did we sing that we should kill blacks, and that was at least a song, but it had to go, it was banned from public performance, so how do you justify this song being sung?
Nowhere in this song does it say anything about killing non-blacks... and just for your interest the old anthem was not banned, in fact it is still part of the national anthem of this country. Perhaps you are confusing the flag with the anthem...
The_Librarian
14-10-2008, 03:11 PM
Umshini Hoss!!!
rwenzori
14-10-2008, 03:24 PM
Nowhere in this song does it say anything about killing non-blacks... and just for your interest the old anthem was not banned, in fact it is still part of the national anthem of this country. Perhaps you are confusing the flag with the anthem...
Yes.
Personally I don't particularly like JZ singing this song, but then again, at least it isn't quite as boring as the dreadful "kreun van ossewa" we were forced to sing, ad nauseam, ad nauseam, ad nauseam....
Zenbaas
14-10-2008, 04:02 PM
Yes.
Personally I don't particularly like JZ singing this song, but then again, at least it isn't quite as boring as the dreadful "kreun van ossewa" we were forced to sing, ad nauseam, ad nauseam, ad nauseam....
Lol...i think the song is just plain K@K. Period. JZ's theme song that is;)
ghoti
14-10-2008, 04:05 PM
Well what's everyone going to say if say Tony Blair sings that.
It just seems as though guns and violence in African countries are expectable ... and the worst thing about it is that people are behind it all.
Kind of reminds me of the rest of the world. The Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. Its honestly not an "african" only problem.
LancelotSA
14-10-2008, 04:17 PM
Well what's everyone going to say if say Tony Blair sings that.
It just seems as though guns and violence in African countries are expectable ... and the worst thing about it is that people are behind it all.
So you are actually saying that it is good that a leader sings songs like to to bring peace and unity to a country.?? NO. It will just make thing worse! More hate.
It is interesting that you raise these points as Tony Blair actually sings these lyrics on a regular basis I assume :
O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter thine enemies,
And make them fall:
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On thee our hopes we fix:
God save us all.
Now of course to be offended by that and read anything into it you would have to interpret those words and make the assumption that you are the enemy of which they speak. Much the same way you need to assume that those machine guns that are asked for are going to be used on you and not to defend the country which is how you probably interpret the words above.... It is all about which angle you are coming from and how you read it!
Now if you were on the wrong side of the fence when "Die Stem" was made the anthem by the Afrikaner government of the time, how would you have felt about the line that states :
We will answer to your calling,
We will sacrifice what you ask,
We will live, we will die,
We for Thee, South Africa*
* Literal translation from Afrikaans
Is this not much the same thing that Zuma followers are saying about him and their desired government?
Funny how interpretation of something works, isn't it? ;)
mm ja dying for your country and for political reasons are two different things aren't it?
Natasha H
14-10-2008, 04:38 PM
It is interesting that you raise these points as Tony Blair actually sings these lyrics on a regular basis I assume :
Now of course to be offended by that and read anything into it you would have to interpret those words and make the assumption that you are the enemy of which they speak. Much the same way you need to assume that those machine guns that are asked for are going to be used on you and not to defend the country which is how you probably interpret the words above.... It is all about which angle you are coming from and how you read it!
Now if you were on the wrong side of the fence when "Die Stem" was made the anthem by the Afrikaner government of the time, how would you have felt about the line that states :
* Literal translation from Afrikaans
Is this not much the same thing that Zuma followers are saying about him and their desired government?
Funny how interpretation of something works, isn't it? ;)
Good point :)
But does not make me feel anymore comfortable with Zuma singing that song..
Lycanthrope
14-10-2008, 05:22 PM
Let's get it straight:
Do you think the song is terrible or that an overzealous fat womanising politician with severely limited reasoning skills sings it is terrible?
All of the above comes to mind.
rwenzori
15-10-2008, 06:42 AM
maybe like rwenzori he believes its not done yet, the settlers is still not driven out
Er... dunno where you get that from!
Anyway:
Baai, baai, Uno!
:D
ironrod
15-10-2008, 07:16 AM
mm ja dying for your country and for political reasons are two different things aren't it?
Just another reason Apartheid, reverse Apartheid, Racism will never leave South Africa.
Hypocrites, the only thing that is right has got to be white.:mad: