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Host Online
10-06-2004, 12:49 PM
Have any body use there services and what are your exsperiance ?
www.wdsl.co.za

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freeek
10-06-2004, 02:00 PM
Im on it. What do want to know? Im on 128k package

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Host Online
10-06-2004, 02:25 PM
Do u know if there are any users in the brackenfell area ? And is it usable to play online?

Whoopa!

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freeek
10-06-2004, 07:00 PM
email me freeek@webmail.co.za

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slumley
10-06-2004, 10:46 PM
What is the monthly costs for www.wdsl.co.za ?

freeek
10-06-2004, 11:28 PM
www.uninetwork.co.za
56K R250
64K R399
128K R599
256K R799

initial costs R2450 + first month

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slumley
01-07-2004, 09:04 PM
to Freeek.

How do you find the speeds and how are the download speeds during the day. (overnet/edonkey)

freeek
02-07-2004, 10:51 AM
download speeds with internet explorer is always 15.2k for me. p2p is only enabled after 7. with bit torrent with some torrents i get about 12k. don't hav kazaa or edonkey installed

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da_revolta
02-07-2004, 11:17 AM
so surely Uninet is a better option than Sentech?

freeek
02-07-2004, 02:07 PM
is not mobile. Sentechs bigest asset, is that their product is mobile.

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CrazyMadMan
02-07-2004, 03:55 PM
Mobile ... from one slow one from another :)

Fantasy is what people want, reality is what they need.

ConDamage
02-07-2004, 04:11 PM
mobile, who cares, mine sure as hell aint mobile! Just moving the modem around causes signal loss or disconnection. Not to mention the fact that the damn things battery only lasts for about 30 mins.

TrXtR
02-07-2004, 04:26 PM
Erm, ok sounds really cool and stuff. Brought up a nice idea though... They say p2p only after hours.
So why not sell packages where you can only connect after hours ? like a p2p package or something
hehe anyways

freeek
02-07-2004, 05:48 PM
that defeats the purpose of 24/7 connectivity

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goenk
03-07-2004, 07:40 PM
For me it sounds like a great service. Their business solution seems to have not limits. Additional it has a static IP. Sure it is "only" 64k but if they really deliver that service 24/7 that I do not care.

Some more comments on that service?

I need something unmanaged & reliable and maybe this is my deal.

Someone wants to warn me? Or suggest a better solution?

I could use some help.[:(]

Nickste
03-07-2004, 08:41 PM
goenk, i'm in the same situation as you, except i'm interested in the 64k home.

I can say that a year or two ago, i got them to come in and do a signal test. They were a bit disorganised, and i had no signal (they said a new tower was going up shortly).

I am, however, interested to see if they have improved their service.

Chow, Nick

Nick Smit
broadband@nicksmit dot za dot net

avr-rulez
04-07-2004, 11:58 AM
Hi,

For me , not having p2p during the day is no incentive to move from ISDN 64K.

These services are still NOT legal , and when they get get shutdown - you loose your setup / registration fees.

A

hArTh
04-07-2004, 01:23 PM
I accidentally discovered that there is another WISP in CPT.

www.wo.co.za

Spoke to a chap who said he knew two users on it who were quite happy.

What stood out for me was that their setup and "activation" (haha) fees were much lower than uninets' or wavestreams':
http://www.wo.co.za/products.html

R1k equipment + R500 "activation" = R1.5k
R400 pm for 64k (low priority in business hours)

Compare to uninets R2.5k setup and wavestreams R5.2k setup.

As these services could be shut down at a moments notice the upfront costs need to be carefully considered.

I've contacted WO and may well consider them if I has LOS and the MW issues are not resolved within the next month.

One worrying thing was that WO did not specify contension ratios which isn't a good sign.





-Professional information anarchist-
I support:
www.hellkom.co.za

goenk
04-07-2004, 02:56 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by avr-rulez</i>
<br />Hi,

For me , not having p2p during the day is no incentive to move from ISDN 64K.

These services are still NOT legal , and when they get get shutdown - you loose your setup / registration fees.

A
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Why is p2p not legal?
Sharing illegal content is not legal. I can understand that. But p2p itself?

Please be so kind and furnisch me with the South African law you refer to.

I think this country should really care not to create laws that do not exist in hurrying obedience. I think this is very dangerous. But fell free to proof me wrong.[;)]

goenk
04-07-2004, 03:09 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hArTh</i>
<br />I accidentally discovered that there is another WISP in CPT.

www.wo.co.za

Spoke to a chap who said he knew two users on it who were quite happy.

What stood out for me was that their setup and "activation" (haha) fees were much lower than uninets' or wavestreams':
http://www.wo.co.za/products.html

R1k equipment + R500 "activation" = R1.5k
R400 pm for 64k (low priority in business hours)

Compare to uninets R2.5k setup and wavestreams R5.2k setup.

As these services could be shut down at a moments notice the upfront costs need to be carefully considered.

I've contacted WO and may well consider them if I has LOS and the MW issues are not resolved within the next month.

One worrying thing was that WO did not specify contension ratios which isn't a good sign.





-Professional information anarchist-
I support:
www.hellkom.co.za


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Thanks for this info. I checked it out but like you already mentioned they do not show their ratio. This makes me also very suspicious.
I also think it is strange that they show which games are working. I do not care about games but this is a clear sign that they seem to block most of the ports. Undocumented transparent trafficshaping or blocking on providerside is a real pain. Better pay the price for the bandwidth and fully get than getting some unrealistic info about the theoretic max. bandwitch if I am the only guy in their network using the internet.
I am looking for a reliable provider. Some company to trust on. If there is a network problem I want to get informed. Best in advance. If they change something. Same thing. And most important, I want some guys who know what they are doing. Sometimes I get the impression that most people handling networks in SouthAfrica do not really have the slightest glimpse about network management.

Nickste
04-07-2004, 03:50 PM
Have emailed WO about contention ratio's. Forgot to ask about shaping.

*Nickste waits for reply.

Nick Smit
broadband@nicksmit dot za dot net

freeek
04-07-2004, 04:19 PM
Well, I was on WO. Gaming was great, low latency and generally downloading from websites were always good. The thing that put me off was that "ALL" p2p was blocked completely. Also you only got your home package speed after abt 4:30.

Generally the service is good if you have good signal. If you are checking costs. 128k Pacakge.
Uninet :
Initial : R2450
Monthly : R0599
Total : R3049


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freeek
04-07-2004, 04:25 PM
my oh my

**** who in their right mind would support Wavestream and GIN
Thats like a total ripe off!! Madness

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hArTh
04-07-2004, 05:08 PM
Man, just discovering there are lots of WISPs in CPT:

Uninet: http://www.wdsl.co.za/ 8:1 contention
WO: http://www.wo.co.za/ No p2p?
GIN: http://www.gin.co.za Definately no p2p! They dont mention install costs at all ? 20:1 contention

As regards p2p I hear ADSL is pretty much uselless for p2p anyway.

BTW I wouldn't blindly believe those CR's, best to chat to someone who uses the product.


-Professional information anarchist-
I support:
www.hellkom.co.za

avr-rulez
04-07-2004, 05:33 PM
@ Goenk

Sorry, my fault for not stating it clearly.....

All WISP's are currently illegal...i.e. these guys purposefully do not mention anything about having ICASA approval.

Ask them , and you will get - "sorry sir , that is the risk you (customer) take . We can be shutdown anytime and yes sir you will loose your connection / setup fees.

So I am trying to say that p2p is not illegal - but the WISP's are (Wireless ISP)

Hope that does it.

A[:)]

hArTh
04-07-2004, 05:42 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by avr-rulez</i>
<br />@ Goenk

Sorry, my fault for not stating it clearly.....

All WISP's are currently illegal...i.e. these guys purposefully do not mention anything about having ICASA approval.

Ask them , and you will get - "sorry sir , that is the risk you (customer) take . We can be shutdown anytime and yes sir you will loose your connection / setup fees.

So I am trying to say that p2p is not illegal - but the WISP's are (Wireless ISP)

Hope that does it.

A[:)]
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Bear in mind that Right, Wrong, Legal and Illegal are four different things not two different things.

-Professional information anarchist-
I support:
www.hellkom.co.za

goenk
04-07-2004, 05:56 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by avr-rulez</i>

<br />@ Goenk

Sorry, my fault for not stating it clearly.....

All WISP's are currently illegal...i.e. these guys purposefully do not mention anything about having ICASA approval.

Ask them , and you will get - "sorry sir , that is the risk you (customer) take . We can be shutdown anytime and yes sir you will loose your connection / setup fees.

So I am trying to say that p2p is not illegal - but the WISP's are (Wireless ISP)

Hope that does it.

A[:)]
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Where can I find more information about WISP legal issues. Is there any (legal+affordable) non-govermental broadband option?

TheRoDent
04-07-2004, 06:17 PM
To read all about what the ISPA (Internet Service Providers' Association) of ZA had to say about the topic, read this: http://www.ispa.org.za/advisory8.htm


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freeek
04-07-2004, 08:55 PM
sentech
adsl

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hArTh
05-07-2004, 11:46 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by hArTh</i>
<br />Man, just discovering there are lots of WISPs in CPT:

Uninet: http://www.wdsl.co.za/ 8:1 contention
WO: http://www.wo.co.za/ No p2p?
GIN: http://www.gin.co.za Definately no p2p! They dont mention install costs at all ? 20:1 contention

As regards p2p I hear ADSL is pretty much uselless for p2p anyway.

BTW I wouldn't blindly believe those CR's, best to chat to someone who uses the product.


-Professional information anarchist-
I support:
www.hellkom.co.za


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Mail I got today from GIN:

Hi James

Thanks for the enquiry.

Our web site is a bit out of date at the moment. The HiWire products have been reduced in price to :

R450.00 for the Home package,
R750.00 for the Business 64k
R1450.00 for the Business 128k.

The installation fee has also been reduced to R2750.00 in total as a once off cost.

Our contract is for a 12 month period. You get 2 email accounts with the HiWire Home and 64k Business and 4 email accounts with the 128K Business.

There are no other costs involved.

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So to sum up:

Provider Package Monthly Installation Contention P2P Cap Contract
GIN 64k-home R450 R2750.00 20:1 <font color="red">No</font id="red"> <font color="red">6GB</font id="red"> <font color="red">12-month</font id="red">
Uninet 64k R400 R2450 8:1 Yes-AH None None
WO 64k R400 <font color="green">R1500</font id="green"> Dunno? <font color="red">No</font id="red"> None 3-months

GIN is out for me, no way I'm signing 12 month contract with a non-legal WISP.

-Professional information anarchist-
I support:
www.hellkom.co.za

freeek
05-07-2004, 11:56 PM
uninet no contract
wo p2p: block(no), 3 month contract

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slumley
11-07-2004, 08:23 PM
I have tried uninet **** for 24hrs no Tuesday/Wednesday and then told them to come and take it out again on Wednesday morning as i could not even get more than 1.5k with overnet. The web browsing fly's but that's about it. thank goodness i did not pay them (R3039.00) that was for the 128K option.

I am now back to my Telkom ISDN 128k package with R7.00 call option. (Still about R900.00 P/M)

uninet sucks.

qaz
11-07-2004, 11:29 PM
Same story as Slumley. Uninet is a nice concept, but the customer service/notification and business strategy leave much to be desired. Read their forums to see customer opinions for yourself http://www.uninetwork.co.za/~forum/.

Gaming is impossible... surfing is unreliable... downloading is sketchy. The problem is capital from what I understand. They upgrade bandwidth every 2 weeks, so contention ratios go cyclically through the roof. Without a long term contract, when customers are dissatisfied they just don't pay, so no upgrade can take place (increasing dissatisfaction) - catch 22. The people are all very nice and friendly, but you are made to feel like the company is your buddy and they are doing you a favour - complain too much and you are politely advised to look for service elsewhere (very professional!). Most complaints are answered with "Well, XXXXX is worse than us..." or "XXXXX would cost you more" rather than acknowledging the service inadequacies and altering their advertisements/pricing.

If you want a service run on emotion, go with Uninet.

freeek
12-07-2004, 12:01 AM
slumley " i could not even get more than 1.5k with overnet"

not possible. were you downloading from a website? p2p and other such applications is only allowed after 7.

gaz " If you want a service run on emotion, go with Uninet."
well I had great service with them. I neva called them once only through email. the only problem some people are complaining about is that they want to know when a downtime happens or a reason afterwards. so far there were power failures in capetown once or twice and the other times it mainly also had 2 do with power. was only for a short period anyways.

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wamatt
13-09-2004, 01:53 PM
Anyone else using WO? How does it compare to uninet? What ever happened to Basil's GIN aka ex megawan?

There idea of a large FTP server is good, guys are going to download iso, movies etc anyways. Silly if people download the same stuff internationally many times over.

What would be cool is a large set of Direct Connect p2p hubs sharing stuff also wouldnt be any need for caps on the same high site.

wamatt
13-09-2004, 01:59 PM
Oops just found page 2 of this thread. :) Ok so uninet seems to be a no-no. I tried calling the numbers listed on the website. (no reply)

Regarding the legalities though, this stuff is going to be legal as of Feb 2005 right?

freeek
13-09-2004, 03:49 PM
yes. try this number 086 111 2871

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CreepyCrawley
13-09-2004, 09:14 PM
I think I'll wait till this sort of thing is a legal option. R2000 is a lot of money to throw away.

Telkom se ma...

arf9999
14-09-2004, 12:28 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by wamatt</i>
<br />Oops just found page 2 of this thread. :) Ok so uninet seems to be a no-no. I tried calling the numbers listed on the website. (no reply)

Regarding the legalities though, this stuff is going to be legal as of Feb 2005 right?
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no, not necessarily. I order to offer wireless services, you will still need a license.

freeek
14-09-2004, 01:32 PM
they got a VANS license

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stoke
14-09-2004, 08:03 PM
Thanks for the link to the ISPA Advisory 8. I'm going to the police station to hand myself in as a criminal for shouting across the road to my neighbour. Do you think they'll die laughing ?

The more you know - the worse it gets.

VQuest
14-09-2004, 09:25 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by stoke</i>
<br />Thanks for the link to the ISPA Advisory 8. I'm going to the police station to hand myself in as a criminal for shouting across the road to my neighbour. Do you think they'll die laughing ?

The more you know - the worse it gets.
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LOL @ stoke. If Telkom didn't get their share of your VOS (voice over street) call then you deserve to be in jail! [:p]


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