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RexxGrim

19-10-2010, 09:02 AM

What I meant was that he's had players predisposed to making a few tackles deemed 'dangerous' in his sides before and not condemned them. Hence, hypocrite. He didn't even want to condemn Eboue's tackle.

Eboue was part of the media briefing the other day. His English is not great. He did mention something about not wanting to kill someone. I assume that he was refering to his tackle against Birm, well I hope he was. My point is he has taken responsabiltiy for his actions. Surely if Wenger was going to protect his players he would not put Eboue in a press conference if he knows that player will be asked about that tackle.

nivek

19-10-2010, 09:15 AM

What I meant was that he's had players predisposed to making a few tackles deemed 'dangerous' in his sides before and not condemned them. Hence, hypocrite. He didn't even want to condemn Eboue's tackle.

I think there is a very clear difference between managers who send their players out to play football, and those that send their players out to be violent (sam allardyce and tony pulis - mainly because they lack the managerial skills and quality in their teams to actually play the game)
I really cant see AW or even SAF telling his team before a game to go out and snap at their heels. Wenger doesnt need to speak about Eboue, so he made 1 bad tackle this season so far, it happens, Wenger complains about teams that have dirty play as part of their game. To say Arsenal is a dirty team is extremely naive, and they've consistently been ranked high up on the fair play table, even during the Viera years. You'll notice he hasnt defended Eboue or Wilshere either.
Btw from what I recall regarding his comments about Fletcher (and im too lazy to look it up) he never ever complained about Fletcher going out to injure someone, he complained about teams purposely fouling to stop up the flow of the game (not regain ball possession)

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:00 AM

You'll notice he hasnt defended Eboue or Wilshere either.

Not defending them is one thing, but to casually dismiss even the question about the dangerous Eboue tackle? Why shouldn't he answer?Is it beneath him to explain his view on the Eboue tackle? Why give the interview at all?

Btw from what I recall regarding his comments about Fletcher (and im too lazy to look it up) he never ever complained about Fletcher going out to injure someone, he complained about teams purposely fouling to stop up the flow of the game (not regain ball possession)

That's hardly the point. Tackles made purely to frustrate the flow of the game are all under what the commentators/Wenger refer to as 'the dark arts'. Does he not remember what Vieira/Petit used to do for his team when he had a more combative spine in the earlier years? The pure hypocrisy of the man astounds me. Just because he changed his team so that those type of things aren't practiced at Arsenal anymore, everyone else is trying to kick them off the pitch. Bah.

To say Arsenal is a dirty team is extremely naive, and they've consistently been ranked high up on the fair play table, even during the Viera years.

Really? Let's see. Vieira arrived in 1996.

96/97 - 20th (http://www.statbunker.com/football/btb/index.php?PL=competition&CompID=172&statType=discipline)
97/98 - 11th
98/99 - 9th
99/00 - 13th
00/01 - 6th
01/02 - 20th
02/03 - 8th
03/04 - 8th
04/05 - 7th

2005 - Vieira leaves.

Now without me trying to be an ass, and in all seriousness, how is that anywhere near being ranked high up on the fair play table? Why do you think Wenger made sure he only includes the last 5 years (http://www.soccer365.com/english_premiership/story_181010173002.php) in his statements?

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:08 AM

Incidentally, 01/02 was a league winning season. It would be interesting, for nothing else except to clear the air, if you could find the position of the top 3 in league, fair play ad goals scored just to see if any of Wengers excuses hold up. I remember before last season the Old Arse(ne) was going on about how Arsenal would cream the rest of the premiership if 3+ goals in a game would give the attacking team an extra point and Chelsea duly coming out on top in that contest as well.

GRBoy

19-10-2010, 10:12 AM

Has Arsenal ever had a player who set out to deliberately injure another player? a la Roy Keane on Alfie Haland.

And has Ferguson never complained about the lack of protection on one or more of his players?

Ferguson has banned Sky's cameras from his press conferences at the club's training ground after he learned that the television company – at the Football Association's request – *produced the pictures that have led to Ferdinand being charged. The United manager also believes Sky is partly to blame for the bad feeling surrounding tonight's match, after repeatedly broadcasting pictures of Gary Neville showing his middle finger to Carlos Tevez in last week's first leg.

Ferguson rounded on Sky's reporter. "You try to promote yourself – just leave the football to us, OK?" he said. "You come out with some nonsense. I don't pay any attention to a lot of that. The players' behaviour has always been perfect. They play within the rules of the game. We've never had any issues with big games."

Ferguson's defence of his players omits previous incidents in Manchester derbies, including Roy Keane's infamous challenge on Alfie Haaland and Neville being sent off for headbutting Steve McManaman. The United manager said: "I don't know why you are going on about it. Look at the record. Unbelievable!"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/27/rio-ferdinand-fa-charge-violent-conduct

I think the pot should stop calling the kettle black.

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:18 AM

I think the pot should stop calling the kettle black.

I think he just does a better job of it than anyone else. That's the reason he's won so many bloody league titles. I don't like that bacon-faced, drunk-nosed Scot anymore than the next non-United supporter but I give him full kudos for doing what must be done. There is very little place in English football for "classy" managers - the best have always been the hard-working prole type, whose parents were dockworkers or bricklayers or the type. Swearing, irrational angry comments and an intense dislike for the opposition is what sets them apart. Not that Fergie can't be a magnanimous sort - only when you're not a rival for the league though...

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:20 AM

Has Arsenal ever had a player who set out to deliberately injure another player? a la Roy Keane on Alfie Haland.

And has Ferguson never complained about the lack of protection on one or more of his players?

Does Ferguson do it so every week? And so often that the media now turn to him the second something happens, like the tackle(s) on the weekend and ask repeatedly how much of a hypocrite he is?

And once again, you confuse your metaphors. If Fergie is the pot, then he hasn't been calling Wenger anything. If I am the pot in this situation, then it is I who has complained about the lack of protection of my players, but much to my dismay, reporters never show up whenever I call a press conference.

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:22 AM

That's the reason he's won so many bloody league titles. I don't like that bacon-faced, drunk-nosed Scot

Oy! Thats Sir Bacon-faced, drunk-nosed Scot to you!

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:22 AM

/sigh

This is what happens when Genius. isn't here. Luverly innit?

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:23 AM

Oy! Thats Sir Bacon-faced, drunk-nosed Scot to you!

Absolutely right. Honest mistake. I also left out fat and ancient but we won't go further into semantics. :p

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:25 AM

Absolutely right. Honest mistake. I also left out fat and ancient but we won't go further into semantics. :p

That goes after the title, sort've like a degree accreditation would.

Sir Bacon-faced, drunk-nosed Scot (Fat and ancient)

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:31 AM

That goes after the title, sort've like a degree accreditation would.

Sir Bacon-faced, drunk-nosed Scot (Fat and ancient)

LOL!

Still, it goes without saying - he's a right bastard with thicker skin than a rhino and it's those qualities that have helped him to such enormous success. Of course, you have to have a footballing brain and a knack for spotting talent (which is why a similar character in Fat Sam is still a mediocre manager) to be at the very top.

GRBoy

19-10-2010, 10:37 AM

Does Ferguson do it so every week? And so often that the media now turn to him the second something happens, like the tackle(s) on the weekend and ask repeatedly how much of a hypocrite he is?

Only whenever one of his players are involved. And don't use the media as examples of honesty - they are as big hypocrites as you and Ferguson. They are the reason we have all these crap arguments. Do you think that their reporting is fair and balanced? Bah

Once again you do not respond to specific logical arguments, but come with smoke and mirrors. Already last night you had to admit that you don't know the rules of football but still you happily post away.

Let us recap:

The same referee decides to punish Wilshire but not de Jong. You claim it is because de Jong won the ball, which you have admitted is nonsense (unless you want to re-open this discussion). You will not admit that it is inconsistent refereeing. Hypocritical.

Manu have had players like Cantona, who attacked a spectator, Keane who set out to maim another player, etc yet you like to point to Arsenals history. Hypocritical.

Ferguson says his players have never done anything wrong, yet you call Wenger a hypocrite for failing to answer a question about Eboue. ??

I suggest you focus your comments on manu in future.

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:41 AM

http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/King_Drew_Medical_Magnet/images/SmileyPopcorn.gif

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:41 AM

Already last night you had to admit that you don't know the rules of football but still you happily post away.

Sorry, what conversations are you having with yourself then projecting onto me?

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:42 AM

Only whenever one of his players are involved. And don't use the media as examples of honesty - they are as big hypocrites as you and Ferguson. They are the reason we have all these crap arguments. Do you think that their reporting is fair and balanced? Bah

Once again you do not respond to specific logical arguments, but come with smoke and mirrors. Already last night you had to admit that you don't know the rules of football but still you happily post away.

Let us recap:

The same referee decides to punish Wilshire but not de Jong. You claim it is because de Jong won the ball, which you have admitted is nonsense (unless you want to re-open this discussion). You will not admit that it is inconsistent refereeing. Hypocritical.

Manu have had players like Cantona, who attacked a spectator, Keane who set out to maim another player, etc yet you like to point to Arsenals history. Hypocritical.

Ferguson says his players have never done anything wrong, yet you call Wenger a hypocrite for failing to answer a question about Eboue. ??

I suggest you focus your comments on manu in future.

When you try and argue like that, for future reference, include quotes. This is silly.

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:44 AM

When you try and argue like that, for future reference, include quotes. This is silly.

Almost a Cantera-esque post. I'm still chuckling over the twice-used 'smoke and mirrors' bit, it's like the second coming of the 'smell the hate' farce.

GRBoy

19-10-2010, 10:44 AM

Sorry, what conversations are you having with yourself then projecting onto me?

OK let us start all over. Gave you credit where none was due it seems.

Do you want to explain to us the rule which helps us understand why de Jong did not get red carded for a worse tackle than the one by Wilshere?

smokey

19-10-2010, 10:45 AM

Almost a Cantera-esque post. I'm still chuckling over the twice-used 'smoke and mirrors' bit.

Yeah, he's impinging on my trademark with that "smoke n mirrors" thing :mad:

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:52 AM

OK let us start all over. Gave you credit where none was due it seems.

Oh woe is me that I don't get the credit you were willing to bestow :rolleyes:

For the record, I now have no idea what you're talking about. This bit :

Already last night you had to admit that you don't know the rules of football but still you happily post away.

especially confounds me.

I'll say it again, and be on your merry way

Obviously all you know about football you get from Wenger's quotes, so I won't debate with you any further.

Randhir

19-10-2010, 10:57 AM

Haha, another ninja-delete.

GRBoy

19-10-2010, 11:06 AM

Oh woe is me that I don't get the credit you were willing to bestow :rolleyes:

For the record, I now have no idea what you're talking about. This bit :

especially confounds me.

I'll say it again, and be on your merry way

Once again you fade when it comes to factual reasoning? Why don't you just explain your rules to us? Should be easy if you are right. Not so easy if you are talking nonsense.

In case you are interested, this quote from Eboue might be relevant:

"The referee spoke to me after the game. He told me: ‘I know you touched the ball but your tackle was very, very dangerous.’

So according to the referee concerned, who failed to give a card to de Jong, winning the ball has got nothing to do with the matter.

Still confused about this issue?

nivek

19-10-2010, 06:26 PM

http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/10/arsenal-4-1-west-ham-jet-bags-hat-trick/

GRBoy

19-10-2010, 10:40 PM

Brilliant game and even happy for the Eduardo goal.

Tarantula

20-10-2010, 09:49 AM

Key to last night's win was we won it so easily playing at 60%. That is great with the Man City game in mind. Shakhtar were poor, but I suspect they will be a different animal at home.

Partnership of Jack and Cesc is shaping up to be the best partnership we've had in midfield since the days of Flamini and Cesc. Really excited about it.

What class the Emirates showed last night. 60 000 fans cheering Eduardo's goal. He'll be forever a Gunner in my eyes.

City at the weekend. I am quietly confident we'll take it, even without Jack.

nivek

20-10-2010, 09:51 AM

Eduardoooooo, Eduardooo

Teary moment

nivek

20-10-2010, 09:51 AM

hungrybeaver

20-10-2010, 10:08 AM

We played well last night. Good performance from all the boys. I'm happy to see Rosicky running with the ball a lot more!

I'm liking the idea of Wilshere playing DM alongside Song. It seems to suit the team pretty well in all areas of the game. Eboue had good game as well, albeit a quiet one. The only time i really noticed him was at the goal celebrations :p

I'd like to see Denilson in Jacks place this weekend.. NOT diaby

and wtf is up with Songs passing?

I noticed a few stray balls here and there, but nothing too wild from Song. I did see him sell Fabregas though. His finish for his goal was a bit cocky and he was lucky to get it in imo. I think he would've gotten a lot of stick it if had not gone in!

smokey

20-10-2010, 10:11 AM

smokey

20-10-2010, 10:13 AM

nivek

20-10-2010, 10:18 AM

Oh yeah, and all you hippies are singing Eduardo's praises... but you would have sung a distinctly different tune if he had scored the equaliser at the death of the game (or the winner). It's easy being magnanimous when you win.

Possibly
Btw, TH14's name was sung when he came on at the Emirates and we were down against Barca

RexxGrim

20-10-2010, 10:18 AM

The big thing for me was that we actually took our chances for a change. After the Chamakh goal Eboue had an attempt and the commentator said that at that stage in the game we had something like 8 shots, with 6 on target and 5 goals on the board.

Jack's goal was a peach and I liked Nasri's finish although Song was a bit fortunate with the cross coming of the back of a Shaktar player.

I would like to see us approach City in a similar way. Keeping possession with a patient build up and simply taking the chances when they come.

Shaktar was a bit dissapointing, but I think our defense was well organised. When we lost possession everyone was in position quickly and we closed them down well. No counter attacks ripping us apart. This will be key against City, with the likes of Tevez and Johnson.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 10:30 AM

Btw, TH14's name was sung when he came on at the Emirates and we were down against Barca

Can't really compare the two :)

Tarantula

20-10-2010, 10:31 AM

You're talking about Cesc and Flamini as if 1) they brought success and 2) it was a long time ago. Neither points have any merit.

You've made your own assumptions on this.

1. Please define "bringing success"? I said, they are the best pairing SINCE Cesc and Flamini. They were our last proper decent midfield pairing. You disagree?

2. It was three seasons ago. Don't why this has no merit in your eyes.

[QUOTE=smokey;4901609]Oh yeah, and all you hippies are singing Eduardo's praises... but you would have sung a distinctly different tune if he had scored the equaliser at the death of the game (or the winner). It's easy being magnanimous when you win.

*Cough* Troll *Cough*

Ja, we would have booed him like Tevez was booed at Old Trafford (I am assuming you're a Manc). Give me a break. Difference in class my friend, something I don't expect you to understand. Edu will always be a Gunner.

smokey

20-10-2010, 10:31 AM

Possibly
Btw, TH14's name was sung when he came on at the Emirates and we were down against Barca

:erm: Henry's a legend and gave his best years to you. It was expected. Getting teary-eyed over Eduardo is like getting getting teary-eyed that a boner went unused when you're 21 years old.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 10:34 AM

Ja, we would have booed him like Tevez was booed at Old Trafford (I am assuming you're a Manc). Give me a break. Difference in class my friend, something I don't expect you to understand. Edu will always be a Gunner.

Don't be dumb, you think Eduardo wouldn't be booed if he moved to Spurs?

And please, if your team ever had Martin Keown in it, let's not talk about class.

nivek

20-10-2010, 10:35 AM

Can't really compare the two :)

Disagree, while Henry is an Arsenal legend, Eduardo will always have a special place amongst the current generation of gooners, seeing his injury live on tv and then following him through his rehabilitation, and the way he carried himself through the process and back to football.. He may not have won anything with Arsenal, but he is a legend in his own right whose career was cut short due to no fault of his own

nivek

20-10-2010, 10:38 AM

Don't be dumb, you think Eduardo wouldn't be booed if he moved to Spurs?

And please, if your team ever had Martin Keown in it, let's not talk about class.

Eduardo would *never* move to Spurs, the guy has too much class to go to such a big rival

nivek

20-10-2010, 10:42 AM

To quote Arseblog

The goal of the night though came in the 82nd minute when Eduardo got on the end of a cross from their right and side-footed home a Shaktar consolation. It was cheered as if it were an Arsenal goal, even the announcer got in on the act, and while Eduardo stayed true to his word and didn’t celebrate I don’t think anyone would have begrudged him a smile.

It’s easy to cheer a consolation goal but it was a classy moment and one to remember. We might well be unforgiving and brutal to those who we feel have wronged us but there’s plenty of love for players who have done their best and not left under a cloud. Eduardo’s reception was up there with the welcome given to Robert Pires when he came back with Villarreal and you’d have to have a hard heart not to have been even a little bit touched by it.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 10:43 AM

Disagree, while Henry is an Arsenal legend, Eduardo will always have a special place amongst the current generation of gooners, seeing his injury live on tv and then following him through his rehabilitation, and the way he carried himself through the process and back to football.. He may not have won anything with Arsenal, but he is a legend in his own right whose career was cut short due to no fault of his own

I doubt that the majority of Gooners equate Henry with Eduardo, or even remotely close.

Eduardo would *never* move to Spurs, the guy has too much class to go to such a big rival

It's called a hypothetical situation dude :) Pick a player.

smokey

20-10-2010, 10:45 AM

I doubt that the majority of Gooners equate Henry with Eduardo, or even remotely close.

It's called a hypothetical situation dude :) Pick a player.

Rooney!

EDIT: Tevez!

Randhir

20-10-2010, 10:51 AM

Rooney!

EDIT: Tevez!

:confused:

Oh, and by the way, smokey is NOT a Man United supporter, he supports the rich chavs :p

smokey

20-10-2010, 10:51 AM

*Cough* Troll *Cough*

Ja, we would have booed him like Tevez was booed at Old Trafford (I am assuming you're a Manc). Give me a break. Difference in class my friend, something I don't expect you to understand. Edu will always be a Gunner.

Yep, somewhat.

On the more pressing issue of class... meh. As far as the Mancs are concerned - they were the classiest of the title challengers last season. It's the first time Sir etc etc (etc) didn't act like a dipschit towards the winning team/manager. Let's not get to Mr. Wenger and his antics.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 10:54 AM

Sir etc etc (etc)

lol!

Sir etc etc (etc) didn't act like a dipschit towards the winning team/manager.

Not true. He's usually the winning manager, and he doesn't act like a dipschit toward himself. Except for consuming wine by the gallon.

Tarantula

20-10-2010, 11:00 AM

Don't be dumb, you think Eduardo wouldn't be booed if he moved to Spurs?

And please, if your team ever had Martin Keown in it, let's not talk about class.

I was referring to the class of the supporters guy. But seeing as you brought up Keown, is there a more Classic moment than Keown's close-line on Van Nistlerooy when he missed that penalty a few seasons back? :D

I doubt that the majority of Gooners equate Henry with Eduardo, or even remotely close.

It's called a hypothetical situation dude :) Pick a player.

Hypothetical holds no grounds. Hypothetically speaking, what if the moon was made of spare ribs, would you eat it?

Yep, somewhat.

On the more pressing issue of class... meh. As far as the Mancs are concerned - they were the classiest of the title challengers last season. It's the first time Sir etc etc (etc) didn't act like a dipschit towards the winning team/manager. Let's not get to Mr. Wenger and his antics.

What antics are these? Please elaborate?

smokey

20-10-2010, 11:00 AM

lol!

Not true. He's usually the winning manager, and he doesn't act like a dipschit toward himself. Except for consuming wine by the gallon.

Good point. However, he is a notoriously bad loser (which is a good thing) and I'm hecka surprised that he hasn't reacted to Carlo like he did with Wenger (when Arsenal were winning things) and Mourinho. He's always peachy when he see's no threat (eg: Big Phlop Scolari).

smokey

20-10-2010, 11:12 AM

:confused:

Oh, and by the way, smokey is NOT a Man United supporter, he supports the rich chavs :p

You asked me to pick a player - granted, Tevez's situation isn't hypothetical but I couldn't resist putting it in there :)

GRBoy

20-10-2010, 01:26 PM

I'd like to see Denilson in Jacks place this weekend.. NOT diaby

Absolutely - but somehow I think we will not be that lucky.

What a great combination of midfield and striker started last night. And to think of the rest of the squad just back or coming back makes my mouth water.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 01:28 PM

I was referring to the class of the supporters guy. But seeing as you brought up Keown, is there a more Classic moment than Keown's close-line on Van Nistlerooy when he missed that penalty a few seasons back? :D

Well there you go. Since you're calling that a classic moment, there's at least one Arsenal support I assume has no class.

Hypothetical holds no grounds. Hypothetically speaking, what if the moon was made of spare ribs, would you eat it?

That's just a deflection. Eduardo moved to a club that isn't a rival. If he had moved to a club that is a rival (ie Spurs for you, and the Tevez move to City for us), do you think he still would have been cheered?

RexxGrim

20-10-2010, 01:49 PM

If a player leaves a club under a cloud he gets booed when he returns. If a player leaves under favorable conditions he is likely to get a nice cheer. This is pretty standard in any club thats got passionate supporters. I don't think its got anything to do with class.

Thats why Ashley Cole gets the booes and Pires, Henry and most recently Eduardo gets the cheers. Ade gets booed because of his goal line celebrations after scoring against us. If it wasn't for that I would hazard a guess that he would have been ignored like Toare. If Gallas comes to the Emirates I am pretty sure their might be a few idiots that will try to boo, but I don't think it will be hostile at all. He signed for a rival, but in this instance you can hardly make him out to be the devil as Arsenal let him go on a free.

Iirc Beckham got a nice cheer from Old Trafford when he returned with AC Milan not long ago, while Tevez will get a bit of stick. That is also the reason why SAF did not play Rooney at Goodison. This is pretty simple in my opinion.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 01:58 PM

If a player leaves a club under a cloud he gets booed when he returns. If a player leaves under favorable conditions he is likely to get a nice cheer. This is pretty standard in any club thats got passionate supporters. I don't think its got anything to do with class.

Iirc Beckham got a nice cheer from Old Trafford when he returned with AC Milan not long ago, while Tevez will get a bit of stick. That is also the reason why SAF did not play Rooney at Goodison. This is pretty simple in my opinion.

That's my point. Tarantula pointed out to smokey that Tevez got booed by Old Trafford when he came back, and pointed it out that it was some sort of lack of class, yet when Arsenal do it to Cole, this doesn't mean they don't have class?

Tarantula

20-10-2010, 03:20 PM

That's my point. Tarantula pointed out to smokey that Tevez got booed by Old Trafford when he came back, and pointed it out that it was some sort of lack of class, yet when Arsenal do it to Cole, this doesn't mean they don't have class?

Hardly a comparison.

Tevez's reception at Old Trafford was disgusting. He wanted to stay at United, he loved the club, he even waved goodbye to the Old Trafford crowd during his last game. SAF said Tevez was not worth his value and was shown the door. Hardly a betrayal by Tevez.

Cashley Cole refused to sign an OFFERED contract of 55 k a week staying it was too little. He then signed for Chelsea for 60 k a week (I think). It showed us what a money hungry, unloyal d1ck he is. He also, has since, continually criticized the club, the fans and Wenger via autobiographies, media etc. Therefore the boo.

But lets not forget the disgusting treatment of Wenger at Old Trafford last season when he was sent up to the stands. Hurling obsceneties that cannot be repeated.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 03:40 PM

Hardly a comparison.

Tevez's reception at Old Trafford was disgusting. He wanted to stay at United, he loved the club, he even waved goodbye to the Old Trafford crowd during his last game. SAF said Tevez was not worth his value and was shown the door. Hardly a betrayal by Tevez.

OK, so you obviously like talking about things you don't know about.

Tevez was OFFERED a contract that would've made him one of the best earners at United, but chose City's millions. Shown the door? Hardly. He then spoke badly of Ferguson and the club, both in England and Argentina. Therefore the boo.

Still think it's hardly a comparison?

But lets not forget the disgusting treatment of Wenger at Old Trafford last season when he was sent up to the stands. Hurling obsceneties that cannot be repeated.

I'm assuming that you're talking about the pedophile chants? If so, then oh, of course by all mean, take the moral high ground. You guys wouldn't impugne another person's name would you? No (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj2Pw5OgIY4).
Of course not, especially if he were there. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRIbGggD6k0)
Or make a CD about it and sell it. (http://www.arsenalawayboyz.webs.com/)

You guys are just so innocent and non-obsene.

GRBoy

20-10-2010, 04:00 PM

I have not seen any of the media reporting this today - Arsenal set a new record for the number of goals scored in the first 3 matches of the CL group stage last night - going 2 better than the record held by Real Madrid.

Once the speed of play picked up in the 2nd half it was just the best play I have seen from any team in a long time. Wilshire's goal in particular was typical of how we like to play.

Can't wait for the next game.

sh4rpz

20-10-2010, 04:08 PM

haha...Thread becoming silly now ...

I don't think any football supporter can take any moral high ground...

If one of the Arsenal lads, loved or not, signed for Spurs, they would get an earful of insults from me, that's for sure. Not ashamed to say so either - it's part of being a football fan - giving stick and not being able to stomach stick sometimes! It happens!

I'm just glad that the 'better' men who wore red chose to move elsewhere and parted with the club on happier, more honourable means than A.Cole, Pennant, David Bentley, Ade etc. I think fans remember the 'class' of players who leave honourably, rather than those who left under a cloud, and then had loads of BS to say about being frozen out or forced out by fans etc...

Having said that, there are cases, like with Freddy, Kolo and maybe Pres, Flamini, Edu and some others have left when the manager didn't want them to, and in the end, the courtesy and respect they paid the Arsenal in their words when parting company, went down well with supporters - I would think that goes a long way too, to how a player is remembered when they come back.

On a side note, how about that result last night eh? Looking forward to a tricky one this weekend now... hope we can derail Man City...they look to be improving weekly!

sh4rpz

20-10-2010, 04:10 PM

Randhir

20-10-2010, 04:17 PM

sh4rpz

20-10-2010, 04:20 PM

Exactly... Where you been dude?

haha... been out of the office a lot lately. Have been reading, but no time to post. But, back now and catching up on some MyBB football nonsense with you lot is always good fun!

Shame about Rooney mate - hope he finds his head and stays.

GRBoy

20-10-2010, 04:21 PM

I stand to be corrected but, I think Chamakh set a new UCL record by scoring in 6 consecutive matches in the tournament.

You are correct http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/news/newsid=1320370.html

smokey

20-10-2010, 04:27 PM

Cashley Cole refused to sign an OFFERED contract of 55 k a week staying it was too little. He then signed for Chelsea for 60 k a week (I think). It showed us what a money hungry, unloyal d1ck he is. He also, has since, continually criticized the club, the fans and Wenger via autobiographies, media etc. Therefore the boo.

But lets not forget the disgusting treatment of Wenger at Old Trafford last season when he was sent up to the stands. Hurling obsceneties that cannot be repeated.

1. Cashley knew his worth and stuck to it. I personally think it was stupid not go JUST 5k more to give him what he wanted. No different to how Gerard (for example) felt when he saw that people with less talent earning more than he did he justifiably asked for a big fat raise. No harm in that. Liverpool actually wanted to keep him and they offered him a new contract. Don't be sore that you guys were in the wrong. Football is the same as any other job. Cole chose a higher salary at a competitor and has enjoyed more personal success into the bargain. Stop with the childish "he was evil coz he asked for money" talk. I mean we're all adults here... right?

2. He's French. He's in the north of England. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often to be brutally honest.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 04:32 PM

. But, back now and catching up on some MyBB football nonsense with you lot is always good fun!

Shame about Rooney mate - hope he finds his head and stays.

Good to hear mate.

About Rooney - good riddance to bad rubbish. I don't know which is worse, that he's been SO out of form this season that he looks worse than Djemba-Djemba, or that he's been playing badly on purpose.

sh4rpz

20-10-2010, 04:43 PM

1. Cashley knew his worth and stuck to it. I personally think it was stupid not go JUST 5k more to give him what he wanted. No different to how Gerard (for example) felt when he saw that people with less talent earning more than he did he justifiably asked for a big fat raise. No harm in that. Liverpool actually wanted to keep him and they offered him a new contract. Don't be sore that you guys were in the wrong. Football is the same as any other job. Cole chose a higher salary at a competitor and has enjoyed more personal success into the bargain. Stop with the childish "he was evil coz he asked for money" talk. I mean we're all adults here... right?

I can't help but disagree with your point here. I don't think there is anything 'wrong' with Arsenal having a particular wage-cap for a homegrown player, someone they helped mould a career, and then gradually increasing a salary as they see fit. Yes, 5k does not sound like an awful lot in football finances, but if you're on a particular cap, you'd want to keep within that at all costs. Cole's main beef was that while Arsenal were making every effort to make Henry and Vieira feel right at home and offering them improved deals by sitting them down privately for dinners etc, he was not getting the same treatment. Also, with Chelsea and JM blowing in his ear at the other end, his head was partially turned - and let me tell you - whatever position you're in, you wouldn't like to be held to ransom by a player who you nurtured, telling you, 'well I am being offered X amount by another team, so if you value me, up your game or I'm out.'

I think Arsenal stuck to their guns and decided to cash in, knowing they had been without Cole the majority of the season before and got to a domestic semi-final (losing on away goals) and a Champions League Final only to lose in the last 15 odd minutes, without him in the team. Clichy was starting to push for a starting place and Traore was a new signing, and Flamini had filled in there as well - so they decided to let him go. He still had a long contract to run - but I think the addition of Gallas in the deal sweetened it for Wenger.

Could they have gone 5k more on his wages, yes and according to Ashley in his biography revision, Arsenal did offer him the same terms as Chelsea. He went on to say that what swayed it for him, was the fact that Arsenal went after Chelsea and Mourinho, knowing that he would be implicated and fined as well. He felt they went against him - so he left.

sh4rpz

20-10-2010, 04:46 PM

Good to hear mate.

About Rooney - good riddance to bad rubbish. I don't know which is worse, that he's been SO out of form this season that he looks worse than Djemba-Djemba, or that he's been playing badly on purpose.

Yea, I hear that. But at the same time, you don't become a bad footballer overnight, and at his age, his best years should be lying ahead of him. I have a feeling SAF will have a word and turn things around. Would not be surprised to hear Rooney sign a new deal at OT - if only to get a decent figure for him in the transfer market.

Randhir

20-10-2010, 05:01 PM

Yea, I hear that. But at the same time, you don't become a bad footballer overnight.

Which leads me to think the latter. In which case, he should gtfo as quickly as possible.

smokey

20-10-2010, 05:12 PM

I can't help but disagree with your point here. I don't think there is anything 'wrong' with Arsenal having a particular wage-cap for a homegrown player, someone they helped mould a career, and then gradually increasing a salary as they see fit. Yes, 5k does not sound like an awful lot in football finances, but if you're on a particular cap, you'd want to keep within that at all costs. Cole's main beef was that while Arsenal were making every effort to make Henry and Vieira feel right at home and offering them improved deals by sitting them down privately for dinners etc, he was not getting the same treatment. Also, with Chelsea and JM blowing in his ear at the other end, his head was partially turned - and let me tell you - whatever position you're in, you wouldn't like to be held to ransom by a player who you nurtured, telling you, 'well I am being offered X amount by another team, so if you value me, up your game or I'm out.'

I think Arsenal stuck to their guns and decided to cash in, knowing they had been without Cole the majority of the season before and got to a domestic semi-final (losing on away goals) and a Champions League Final only to lose in the last 15 odd minutes, without him in the team. Clichy was starting to push for a starting place and Traore was a new signing, and Flamini had filled in there as well - so they decided to let him go. He still had a long contract to run - but I think the addition of Gallas in the deal sweetened it for Wenger.

Could they have gone 5k more on his wages, yes and according to Ashley in his biography revision, Arsenal did offer him the same terms as Chelsea. He went on to say that what swayed it for him, was the fact that Arsenal went after Chelsea and Mourinho, knowing that he would be implicated and fined as well. He felt they went against him - so he left.

Never read his bio, can't be bothered to read biographies by players who aren't retired. Only read a little by Gerrard to see the bit about Chelsea (and I did it in 5 minutes in the bookshop).

However, I disagree wholeheartedly with you as far as the salary cap for home grown players is concerned. Surely you'd want them to get the best deals if they are that good? Why would someone who got brought in get better treatment than a home grown boy? Also, please don't romanticize the youth team. You develop players so that you needn't pay large sums of money for world class players on top of the wages - and due to the club link factor. Youth teams aren't a charity mate - they're just good business.

nivek

20-10-2010, 08:49 PM

welcome back sh4rpz!

sh4rpz

21-10-2010, 12:25 AM

Never read his bio, can't be bothered to read biographies by players who aren't retired. Only read a little by Gerrard to see the bit about Chelsea (and I did it in 5 minutes in the bookshop).

However, I disagree wholeheartedly with you as far as the salary cap for home grown players is concerned. Surely you'd want them to get the best deals if they are that good? Why would someone who got brought in get better treatment than a home grown boy? Also, please don't romanticize the youth team. You develop players so that you needn't pay large sums of money for world class players on top of the wages - and due to the club link factor. Youth teams aren't a charity mate - they're just good business.

I don't think you are fully understanding what I'm getting at. I was speaking about Cole's situation specifically - not in general terms. I wouldn't tell other clubs what they should and shouldn't do with their players - I'm just saying, in Arsenal's case, they've set about doing things a particular way, and they've shown then and now, they won't go over their intended wage limits, home grown or not.

Anyhow, fruitless discussions to get into, because each club will deal with it on their own, and generally, English players are a bit of 'He said, she said...'

sh4rpz

21-10-2010, 12:29 AM

welcome back sh4rpz!

Thanks nivek

GRBoy

21-10-2010, 02:22 PM

The Arsenal chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, says the club's self-sustaining business plan will become the model for all football clubs to follow.

Last month, Arsenal's parent holding company announced record pre-tax profits of £56m and increased group turnover of £379.9m, while also seeing all the debt on their Highbury Square development paid off.

Addressing this morning's annual general meeting of shareholders at the Emirates Stadium, Gazidis pledged any profit from further property sales would be ploughed back into the squad – with the only outstanding debt now tied into the long-term mortgage on their 60,000-seat ground, which opened in July 2006.

"'The game is increasingly looking towards Arsenal as a model of what a football club should be," said Gazidis. "This is a challenging path to tread, but we have earned our independence. We do not have to rely on anybody but ourselves for future success. However, we have to keep moving forwards – standing still is never an option."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/21/arsena-model-ivan-gazidis-agm

Congratulations to the board and Arsene. Well done. Not winning a trophy for five years is a small price to pay for the future of the club.

What a pleasure to be a gooner at a time when there is so much trauma at some of the other clubs.

GRBoy

21-10-2010, 05:08 PM

Arsene Wenger rated as best manager for the past decade.

nternational Federation of Football History and Statistics devised a system for who should be manager of the decade. They have now collated the votes from the last ten years and have produced a league table for manager of the decade.

The system is simple, there are two categories, club coach and international coach. Each year the IFFHS would award points to the manager’s based on world rankings. So 1st place would receive 20 points, 2nd would get 19 and so on until 20th place who would get 1 point. They’ve then combined each manager’s points for every year from 2001 to the current time and put international and club managers together. And here’s what they came up with…

1.Arsène Wenger
2. Sir Alex Ferguson
3. José Mourinho
4. Guus Hiddink
5. Fabio Capello
6. Luis Felipe Scolari
7. Rafael Benítez
8. Carlo Ancelotti
9. Marcello Lippi
10. Marcelo Alberto Bielsa
11. Frank Rijkaard
12. Sven-Göran Eriksson

http://www.footballtransfertavern.com/2010/10/premiership/manager-of-the-decade-2001-2010-poll-needed

smokey

21-10-2010, 05:21 PM

Arsene Wenger rated as best manager for the past decade.

http://www.footballtransfertavern.com/2010/10/premiership/manager-of-the-decade-2001-2010-poll-needed

Aaaaaah... stats. You gotta love 'em. I eat steak, you eat potatoes and on average we had a filling meal.

GRBoy

21-10-2010, 05:23 PM

Aaaaaah... stats. You gotta love 'em. I eat steak, you eat potatoes and on average we had a filling meal.

Better than a fan's opinion :)

smokey

21-10-2010, 05:35 PM

Better than a fan's opinion :)

Come on - Mourinho has won two Champions League, numerous titles and he is somehow a "worse" manager than Arsene in the last decade? Don't make me larf. How about Fergie (xyz number of league titles and a Champs League medal to boot) or Ancelotti (who won two EUFA Champions League titles and made it to a third final - all with a tight budget and aging players)?

GRBoy

21-10-2010, 05:51 PM

Come on - Mourinho has won two Champions League, numerous titles and he is somehow a "worse" manager than Arsene in the last decade? Don't make me larf. How about Fergie (xyz number of league titles and a Champs League medal to boot) or Ancelotti (who won two EUFA Champions League titles and made it to a third final - all with a tight budget and aging players)?

Don't fight with me. Why don't you write to the Federation and tell them what you think. Then again statistics don't lie and do not have opinions.

smokey

21-10-2010, 05:58 PM

Don't fight with me. Why don't you write to the Federation and tell them what you think. Then again statistics don't lie and do not have opinions.

Mate, I'm not fighting. I'm just saying that stats are the be all and end all. Who knows what variables they take into account to get to that and how much weight is put on certain variables. So maybe he got extra points for that unbeaten season, and maybe others won more with less pretty footy (less goals). the point is they won.

In terms of trophies won this decade... Wenger is nowhere near Mourinho or Fergie.

GRBoy

21-10-2010, 06:01 PM

Mate, I'm not fighting. I'm just saying that stats are the be all and end all. Who knows what variables they take into account to get to that and how much weight is put on certain variables. So maybe he got extra points for that unbeaten season, and maybe others won more with less pretty footy (less goals). the point is they won.

In terms of trophies won this decade... Wenger is nowhere near Mourinho or Fergie.

I am speaking under correction but it seems as if the only criteria was the club's ranking over time - maybe someone will want to check it out on their website.

Then again, it also shows that trophies are not the only measurement of a club's success :)

nivek

21-10-2010, 06:51 PM

In terms of trophies I agree with smokey, but I think Wengers true greatness is still to be realised.. As the academy and the current team matures..
I dont doubt for a second had he gone the SAF/Jose route and splashed money on big signings all the time his trophy cabinet would be as impressive if not better, but thats not how our Arsene rolls

GRBoy

21-10-2010, 08:17 PM

smokey

21-10-2010, 10:51 PM

nivek - Who is considered a better manager of Barca between Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff?

nivek

21-10-2010, 11:04 PM

nivek - Who is considered a better manager of Barca between Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff?

Cruyff?

I understand what you're getting at.. I just think Wengers success trophy wise isn't over, and his successor will only benefit greatly from the first team he's built, and from the academy he's built

smokey

21-10-2010, 11:14 PM

Cruyff?

I understand what you're getting at.. I just think Wengers success trophy wise isn't over, and his successor will only benefit greatly from the first team he's built, and from the academy he's built

The thing I'm getting at is that Michels did what Wenger is doing. Integrated a philosophy of beauty footy into Barca, and a focus on bring through the best youth (both at home and abroad) and educating them in a particular way. Cruyff reaped the dividends about a decade or so later. Granted... Arsene has had more time to work his magic than Michels could ever have due to the nature of British footy keeping on successful managers but a Sir Matt Busby he is not. Oh well... we'll see in due time.

Oh yeah, and quite another thing. I just realized that the IFFHA used club RANKINGS to decide their top manager of the decade. I'd like to bring your attention to one thing. Mourinho managed to work wonders with both Porto and Chelsea (granted at chelsea he had a fat cheque book but anyway...) and that influenced his points total definitely. Had he been the type of manager to stay at a club for longer, he would have spanked Arsene.

nivek

22-10-2010, 08:54 AM

The thing I'm getting at is that Michels did what Wenger is doing. Integrated a philosophy of beauty footy into Barca, and a focus on bring through the best youth (both at home and abroad) and educating them in a particular way. Cruyff reaped the dividends about a decade or so later. Granted... Arsene has had more time to work his magic than Michels could ever have due to the nature of British footy keeping on successful managers but a Sir Matt Busby he is not. Oh well... we'll see in due time.

Oh yeah, and quite another thing. I just realized that the IFFHA used club RANKINGS to decide their top manager of the decade. I'd like to bring your attention to one thing. Mourinho managed to work wonders with both Porto and Chelsea (granted at chelsea he had a fat cheque book but anyway...) and that influenced his points total definitely. Had he been the type of manager to stay at a club for longer, he would have spanked Arsene.

I think the fact that Jose hasnt lost at home in about 150 years speaks for itself.. anyway, the 2 managers are incredible in their own way

GRBoy

22-10-2010, 09:47 AM

Who would win a beauty contest : Shrek or Gunnersaurus?

RexxGrim

22-10-2010, 09:50 AM

Tarantula

22-10-2010, 11:30 AM

Lots of Vermaelen injury rumours doing the rounds, but all unconfirmed. I've heard 10 days, rest of the season and even as bad as 12 months. Atleast it seems Kos might be back for Sunday.

Wenger's answer to the question is a simple: "Je ne sais pas."

Atleast it seems Kos might be back for Sunday.

Vermaelen is apparently due back in 2 - 3 weeks. I must say Djourou has impressed me the last few games.

Kos has a 20% chance of making it, Sagna could be back, Almunia still out (due back soon though).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKj7JG4j7MM&feature=player_embedded

Anyone speak Spanish?

RexxGrim

23-10-2010, 10:01 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFjaBXa3Sys&feature=player_embedded

JET's hatrick vs West Ham for the reserves on Tuesday.

phiber

23-10-2010, 11:41 AM

3rd goal very Henry like.

phiber

24-10-2010, 08:27 PM

3 - 0, wooop woop. Missed the game though...

nivek

24-10-2010, 09:21 PM

http://img.kooora.com/i.aspx?i=reuters%2f2010-10-24%2f%2f2010-10-24t153343z_01_nvr04_rtridsp_3_soccer-england_reuters.jpg
^^^ hahahahaha
Need that in wallpaper size :D

...aTrueASL

24-10-2010, 10:32 PM

A very good result. Fabianski had one of his better games.

hungrybeaver

25-10-2010, 09:32 AM

http://img.kooora.com/i.aspx?i=reuters%2f2010-10-24%2f%2f2010-10-24t153343z_01_nvr04_rtridsp_3_soccer-england_reuters.jpg
^^^ hahahahaha
Need that in wallpaper size :D

Brilliant!

Good performance from the team. The only nitpick I have is the pace of our central defence - Tevez had no problem getting passed, but we handled Emmanuel 'Cart-Horse' Adebayor pretty well. The City defenders must've hated seeing Walcott coming on at the end!

RexxGrim

25-10-2010, 09:46 AM

MOM is between Nasri and Fabianski. The keeper had a great game and I can't think of 1 mistake he made. Some very important saves especially the one from Silva in the first min. That could have changed the game.

My moment of the match for me was when Arshavin made a tackle in our left corner covering for Clichy. Mentally this win is going to mean a lot to the team.

Thought is was going to be 9 vs 9 after the first 40min. City without Tevez looks like a different team. He really is a handfull.

When Theo came on he looked like the Flash against a very tired City defense. Great finish by Bendtner, a good confidence booster for the man.

dbecks

25-10-2010, 10:17 AM

Thought City were the better side and would not have lost if they had 11 - Credit to the Gooners for capitalising

sh4rpz

25-10-2010, 10:39 AM

Thought City were the better side and would not have lost if they had 11 - Credit to the Gooners for capitalising

dbecks, I have plenty of time for your comments usually, but you can't be serious mate? Surely anyone who watched the entire match yesterday, cannot possibly believe City were the better side - and all the if's and buts in the world can't assume they'd have won with 11 on the pitch yesterday - Arsenal were up for it even as early as the 5th minute, where Fabregas almost put players thru' 1v1 twice, one ending in the sending off. But, to each his own.

Great weekend in any case!

Tarantula

25-10-2010, 10:53 AM

Thought City were the better side and would not have lost if they had 11 - Credit to the Gooners for capitalising

Ya, that is a dumb comment. You must remember, the reason why they went down to 10 men was because of a fantastic through ball from Fabregas to Chamakh. It was Arsenal's great football and a stupid foul from Boyata that resulted in the red. Not sure why this is used as an excuse as to why City lost.

Arsenal had over 60% of the possession, most shots on goal and overall domination of the game (even in the 1st 5 min).

Cash vs Class. Class wins.

dbecks

25-10-2010, 10:55 AM

dbecks, I have plenty of time for your comments usually, but you can't be serious mate? Surely anyone who watched the entire match yesterday, cannot possibly believe City were the better side - and all the if's and buts in the world can't assume they'd have won with 11 on the pitch yesterday - Arsenal were up for it even as early as the 5th minute, where Fabregas almost put players thru' 1v1 twice, one ending in the sending off. But, to each his own.

Great weekend in any case!Just though they played well before their CB got sent off and after that they continued - (Bit of banter included as i was hoping for a draw....hehe)

sh4rpz

25-10-2010, 11:45 AM

Just though they played well before their CB got sent off and after that they continued - (Bit of banter included as i was hoping for a draw....hehe)

hehe...granted - although, the sending off did occur on the 4-minute mark! haha!

Anyhow, City did play well, they have some world class players, so that was expected, even with 10 men, however I feel although Djourou and Clichy did look a bit shaky at some points, Arsenal pretty much handled City quite well and did the important things better than City did and we kept the ball well and scored the goals which mattered. You could argue that 3-0 was a flattering scoreline, but when you consider the performance and the possession along with other stats, it does make a valid argument. However, being Arsenal fans, many of us were expecting to dominate possession and then have to settle for a 1-1 final score!

dbecks

25-10-2010, 11:52 AM

hehe...granted - although, the sending off did occur on the 4-minute mark! haha!

Anyhow, City did play well, they have some world class players, so that was expected, even with 10 men, however I feel although Djourou and Clichy did look a bit shaky at some points, Arsenal pretty much handled City quite well and did the important things better than City did and we kept the ball well and scored the goals which mattered. You could argue that 3-0 was a flattering scoreline, but when you consider the performance and the possession along with other stats, it does make a valid argument. However, being Arsenal fans, many of us were expecting to dominate possession and then have to settle for a 1-1 final score!Yeah that whole spell before the goal left me thinking what a competitive game this would of been had they 11 players - City have some classy players and makes a good game when playing the likes of Arsenal and so on... (but like a I said, after our first away win, I was hoping for that famous Arsenal form....lol)

sh4rpz

25-10-2010, 11:52 AM

Don't know if this was pasted already:

Cesc Fabregas post-match interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5hIl_0b7hI&feature=player_embedded

Edit: Best part at the end: "What?! I missed a penalty! How can I be man of the match!?"

RexxGrim

25-10-2010, 12:02 PM

Don't know if this was pasted already:

Cesc Fabregas post-match interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5hIl_0b7hI&feature=player_embedded

Can't see Youtube at work, but I assume it's were Cesc says that Arsenal would have won even if City had 15 players on the pitch. :D

That's the problem with a bazzillion pound squad. You can only have 11 players (sometimes 10) on the pitch at any given time. Blackpool proved that last week aswell.

When I see him get so passionate on and off the pitch, it gives me some hope for Wengers predictions that we will see him in and Arsenal jersey for a couple more years.

Tarantula

25-10-2010, 12:32 PM

sh4rpz

25-10-2010, 12:47 PM

Can't see Youtube at work, but I assume it's were Cesc says that Arsenal would have won even if City had 15 players on the pitch. :D

That's the problem with a bazzillion pound squad. You can only have 11 players (sometimes 10) on the pitch at any given time. Blackpool proved that last week aswell.

When I see him get so passionate on and off the pitch, it gives me some hope for Wengers predictions that we will see him in and Arsenal jersey for a couple more years.

haha ye, the same interview.

RexxGrim

25-10-2010, 01:07 PM

One thing I did not enjoy was Cesc crowding the ref and waving a card, pointing that the player must be sent off. I almost thought the ref was going to book him.

Only bit of Barca DNA left in him unfortunately, the rest of his Nucleic Acid Double Helix is pure gunner. :D

MartyMarts

25-10-2010, 01:47 PM

http://img.kooora.com/i.aspx?i=reuters%2f2010-10-24%2f%2f2010-10-24t153343z_01_nvr04_rtridsp_3_soccer-england_reuters.jpg
^^^ hahahahaha
Need that in wallpaper size :D

Awesome pic. It actually sums up the game nicely me thinks.

One thing I did not enjoy was Cesc crowding the ref and waving a card, pointing that the player must be sent off. I almost thought the ref was going to book him.

Only bit of Barca DNA left in him unfortunately, the rest of his Nucleic Acid Double Helix is pure gunner. :D

Yeah unfortunately there will always be a little Barca DNA in him and it will rear its petulant "I'm better than you" head now and then.

Tarantula

27-10-2010, 10:06 AM

Spanish report: Barcelona talk to Afellay, end interest in Arsenal's Cesc Fabregas

However, in what is more than a silver lining to the episode, 'Sport' also reports that Barcelona's pursuit of Afellay is effectively an admission that their pursuit of Arsenal star Cesc Fabregas is over for now.

Given the unhealthy financial state of the club, Barcelona have effectively been priced out of pursuing Gunners' skipper Fabregas with Afellay, in the final year of his current deal, offering a far more realistic option.

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Spanish-report-Barcelona-negotiating-with-Afellay-ending-interest-in-Arsenals-Fabregas/11600/

Could this be the end of the saga? Somehow I think not...

Irony is, Arsenal are also chasing Afellay. Maybe we let the Catalans have him?

sh4rpz

27-10-2010, 12:16 PM

Just a reminder guys:

Carling Cup: Newcastle v Arsenal, Wednesday 27th October 20:45, SuperSport 3

nivek

27-10-2010, 12:21 PM

Just a reminder guys:

Carling Cup: Newcastle v Arsenal, Wednesday 27th October 20:45, SuperSport 3

Its time for Scezezny, Lansburi, JET to shine :D

RexxGrim

27-10-2010, 12:22 PM

Just a reminder guys:

Carling Cup: Newcastle v Arsenal, Wednesday 27th October 20:45, SuperSport 3

Will be interesting to see how strong a team Wenger puts out.

mercury12

27-10-2010, 01:05 PM

I would strongly advice getting Arsenal tv membership. Its only 3 pounds/month=R36 and really is amazing for the interviews/highlights/press conferences they have on offer

phiber

27-10-2010, 09:27 PM

Vela playing very average ball today... sucks gibbs got injured again.

MickeyD

27-10-2010, 09:30 PM

Will be interesting to see how strong a team Wenger puts out.
Yeah, quite a strong team on the park.

phiber

28-10-2010, 08:45 AM

Yeah, quite a strong team on the park.

Most of the players that started yesterday were picked as they needed game time. Walcott, Denilson, Bendtner and Koscienly are all returning from injury. Gibbs was as well.

RexxGrim

28-10-2010, 08:49 AM

Could not watch the game. 4-0, will check it out on the PVR tonight. Seems Gibbs is injured. Let's hope its not to serious.

Apparently Tech9 had a bit of the laps early, but went on to make some great saves. Theo with 2, and Nick with 1. Great to have these guys back.

Last 4 games in all competions. 14 scored 2 conceded. 4 wins. Lets hope this is a start of a winning streak.

nivek

28-10-2010, 08:58 AM

R13...

28-10-2010, 09:13 AM

Really good game, Theo was great!
Hope Nik B has changed all his haters opinions on him, his goal was class
2 in 2 for him now
He does sometimes bang in the most amazing goals... A striker who can score from outside & around the area is definitely an asset.

Tarantula

28-10-2010, 09:31 AM

nivek

28-10-2010, 09:38 AM

What a game Szczęsny had. I am really impressed with this kid. Composed, commanding in the box, good shot stopper. We really can't let this guy go.

Theo was excellent, and great goal from Bendtner. All in all a great win. Interested to see who we draw in the next round. Anyone know when the QF draw will be done?

How horrendous were Barton's tackles on Eastmond and Fabregas?! What a piece of toon scum he is.

Yea, agree.. Barton is a thug, and i hope the barcodes get relegated purely because hes their captain and no self respecting team that has someone like barton in it deserves to play in the epl

RexxGrim

28-10-2010, 10:19 AM

What a game Szczęsny had. I am really impressed with this kid. Composed, commanding in the box, good shot stopper. We really can't let this guy go.

Theo was excellent, and great goal from Bendtner. All in all a great win. Interested to see who we draw in the next round. Anyone know when the QF draw will be done?

How horrendous were Barton's tackles on Eastmond and Fabregas?! What a piece of toon scum he is.

I heard the draw is on Saterday.

See West Ham took out Stoke in Extra time. We playing West Ham on Saterday so the extra half hour could have an influence on the match, but just glad Stoke is out. Playing them twice in a season is already to much.

From what I read on the blogs, Kos also had a good game. This is good news as their is still no news on when we can expect Vermealen to make his comeback.

poffle

28-10-2010, 11:29 AM

Was a great game. We had control the entire game except for 2 of their chances. the one thumping shot from Smith outside the box that hit the xbar and also when ranger ran in behind our defense. Luckly our defenders were there to save the day. Comon gunners, we looking amazing at the moment.

Tarantula

28-10-2010, 11:44 AM

I heard the draw is on Saterday.

See West Ham took out Stoke in Extra time. We playing West Ham on Saterday so the extra half hour could have an influence on the match, but just glad Stoke is out. Playing them twice in a season is already to much.

From what I read on the blogs, Kos also had a good game. This is good news as their is still no news on when we can expect Vermealen to make his comeback.

Great! Will keep an eye out on Saturday.

West Ham were 1-0 down, and came back to win. So yes they may be tired after the extra time, but it may lift their spirits too. I am confident of a comfortable victory though on Saturday.

I think Kos and Squillaci are our best defensive pair while TV is out. Djourou is good in the air, but he is just far too slow when players break through our defensive line.

phiber

28-10-2010, 05:47 PM

From what I read on the blogs, Kos also had a good game. This is good news as their is still no news on when we can expect Vermealen to make his comeback.

Kos was awesome, stood up and blocked a shot after the striker was past the keeper.

phiber

28-10-2010, 05:48 PM

What a game Szczęsny had. I am really impressed with this kid. Composed, commanding in the box, good shot stopper. We really can't let this guy go.
.

He did have a moment of madness where he came rushing out and missed everything (Striker, ball, defender).

nivek

28-10-2010, 07:40 PM

RVP and Ramsey back in full training next week :D

GRBoy

29-10-2010, 11:13 AM

RVP and Ramsey back in full training next week :D

It will be very interesting to see how Wenger rotates the squad. With Chamakh having made a name for himself and Walcott and Bendtner coming back and scoring freely he will have quite a problem deciding who to leave out. Somehow I think Arshavin will have to make way and Vela will be sold in January.

smokey

29-10-2010, 02:50 PM

It will be very interesting to see how Wenger rotates the squad. With Chamakh having made a name for himself and Walcott and Bendtner coming back and scoring freely he will have quite a problem deciding who to leave out. Somehow I think Arshavin will have to make way and Vela will be sold in January.

I can just see it...

Vela sold : 28.01.2011 16:45
RVP Injured: 28.01.2011 17:56
Bendtner Injured: 30.01.2011 12:32

Wenger publicly cries: 14.02.2011 18:00

nivek

29-10-2010, 02:54 PM

I can just see it...

Vela sold : 28.01.2011 16:45
RVP Injured: 28.01.2011 17:56
Bendtner Injured: 30.01.2011 12:32

Wenger publicly cries: 14.02.2011 18:00

damn you smokey

smokey

29-10-2010, 03:09 PM

damn you smokey

Hey, Chelsea had a striking problem, a midfield problem and a defensive problem (injury wise) and they overlapped. Lampard has been out for how long now? I think karma's fcked me a little hard to be honest.

nivek

29-10-2010, 03:33 PM

Hey, Chelsea had a striking problem, a midfield problem and a defensive problem (injury wise) and they overlapped. Lampard has been out for how long now? I think karma's fcked me a little hard to be honest.

Please man, karma has been rather lenient, Drogba missed like 2 games, and they were against mediocre teams :p
Lets see some injuries pre-United and Champions League!

We lost Cesc just before a game against the champions, we havent seen RVP or our first choice centre back for more than 1 game this season

smokey

29-10-2010, 03:39 PM

Please man, karma has been rather lenient, Drogba missed like 2 games, and they were against mediocre teams :p
Lets see some injuries pre-United and Champions League!

We lost Cesc just before a game against the champions, we havent seen RVP or our first choice centre back for more than 1 game this season

So we had some luck and a bit more depth. Don't blame me, blame Lady Luck and Wenger.

BTW: Our subs bench for 3 league games was full of kiddies. It was like looking at an Arsenal Carling cup lineup. If you don't think that's bad then there's only one thing I can say to you... you have Wengeritis.

nivek

29-10-2010, 03:41 PM

So we had some luck and a bit more depth. Don't blame me, blame Lady Luck and Wenger.

Mm tbh i think we're ok with depth this season, I was just complaining karma didnt do a decent job of punishing you, I want a second round! :D

smokey

29-10-2010, 03:44 PM

Mm tbh i think we're ok with depth this season, I was just complaining karma didnt do a decent job of punishing you, I want a second round! :D

Only once your Christmas time injury cycle starts.:twisted:

EDIT: Tit for tat buddy, my Yu-Gi-Oh cards are stronger.

smokey

29-10-2010, 03:47 PM

nivek

29-10-2010, 04:53 PM

Oh yeah, and one last thing before I leave you to your Arsenal kiddy porn...

You had luck with RVP's injury. Chamakh needed to be the focus of the front-line, and he performed admirably. RVP is a bad first team player because he simply is never fit. I mean is it any wonder that no one has made a concerted effort to buy him despite his boundless talent? the Spaniards have learned a thing or two from Real Madrid's capture of Robben. Don't buy EPL crocks. they're damaged goods man. It's one of the main reasons I didn't want Chelsea to buy Torress.

I dont know, in RVP's case its different injuries each time, hes a quality player that deserves a bit of patience when it comes to recovery, I dont want to curse anyone and im touching wood when I say this but you can look at Rosicky as an example, a man who suffered injury setback after injury setback, he was out for a year, and hes had a decent run of games this season thus far

smokey

29-10-2010, 05:04 PM

I dont know, in RVP's case its different injuries each time, hes a quality player that deserves a bit of patience when it comes to recovery, I dont want to curse anyone and im touching wood when I say this but you can look at Rosicky as an example, a man who suffered injury setback after injury setback, he was out for a year, and hes had a decent run of games this season thus far

The thing is... I prefer a player who plays a full season as opposed to one who hasn't completed a single one in goodness know how long. He'd be ten times the player he is today if he had managed to play more games and put a decent run together...

RexxGrim

01-11-2010, 11:07 AM

So quite in here, all the Arsenal fans in hospital with nervous breakdowns. (I came out this morning). Not the best game, but 3 points none the less. Lots of chances, should give Green some credit, but our finishing was not great.

I sometimes wonder if this is why Wenger says our keepers look so great in training. Our attacking players have a gift for picking out the keeper. :D

3 points lets move on. Win at Shaktar will have us qualify top of our group if I am not mistaken.

PS. Bought PS3 with FIFA 11 on Thursday so some good news for the gunners. The trophy drought will be over soon. ;)

phiber

01-11-2010, 12:52 PM

Was a good game Rexx, we played well. finishing was a bit poor, Nasri's free kick was insane!! 3 points is what matters, and a clean sheet. Very nice. Walcott made a HUGE difference when he came on. Good to see him back, would like to see him start next week.

mmmig

01-11-2010, 01:24 PM

3 clean sheets in a row.

Tarantula

01-11-2010, 02:00 PM

Arsenal have drawn Wigan Athletic in the quarter finals of the Carling Cup.

The full draw for the quarter finals are as follows:

Arsenal v Wigan Athletic
Birmingham v Aston Villa
West Ham v Manchester United
Ipswich Town v West Brom

Shaping up for a Arsenal v City final.

Randhir

01-11-2010, 02:05 PM

PS. Bought PS3 with FIFA 11 on Thursday so some good news for the gunners. The trophy drought will be over soon. ;)

You playing online yet?

RexxGrim

01-11-2010, 02:15 PM

You playing online yet?

Nope haven't checked that out yet. Playing in career mode offline on amateur. So still trying to find me feet. I've allways been a PC gamer so not use to the controller. I am currently suffering from a thumb injury. Will check out the online stuff tonight.

RexxGrim

01-11-2010, 02:17 PM

3 clean sheets in a row.

Wenger on keeping three straight clean sheets...

That's new, that's new for me! A day where I don't have to look on the television slow motion to see why we conceded a goal does not happen often so I am very happy with that.

:D

nivek

01-11-2010, 02:28 PM

Scezezny has said he doesnt want to talk about a new contract with Arsenal unless hes made #1 or #2

smokey

01-11-2010, 02:32 PM

Scezezny has said he doesnt want to talk about a new contract with Arsenal unless hes made #1 or #2

Sweet. Imminent deal with Chelsea. Begovic is too much trouble anyway.

Tarantula

01-11-2010, 02:47 PM

Sweet. Imminent deal with Chelsea. Begovic is too much trouble anyway.

Bwaaa. Like you guys are going to replace Cech...

Wenger was confident of a new deal for Szczęsny. I believe Wenger.

nivek

01-11-2010, 03:02 PM

Rumours going around that Benzema could be on his way

sh4rpz

01-11-2010, 03:08 PM

You playing online yet?

On this note: anyone playing PES2011 on PS3 online here? Drop me a PM and maybe we can set up an online League & Cup.

Randhir

01-11-2010, 03:09 PM

Nope haven't checked that out yet. Playing in career mode offline on amateur. So still trying to find me feet. I've allways been a PC gamer so not use to the controller. I am currently suffering from a thumb injury. Will check out the online stuff tonight.

Cool, when you're online, PM, we'll set up a game :)

Rumours going around that Benzema could be on his way

To Arsenal?

nivek

01-11-2010, 03:10 PM

Cool, when you're online, PM, we'll set up a game :)

To Arsenal?

Yea, to Arsenal, it would mean the end of RVP though.. :(

sh4rpz

01-11-2010, 03:12 PM

Bwaaa. Like you guys are going to replace Cech...

Wenger was confident of a new deal for Szczęsny. I believe Wenger.

We are a bit strange when it comes to renewing young players contracts. Flamini, Merida, Ricketts, Omer Riza, Vernazza etc etc - I sometimes feel we are a bit careless with renewals - but let's see.

WS is a great prospect, but I think after the freak injury he suffered which kept him out for almost 18 months, I think AW was being a bit cautious over him. He was always quite highly rated.

sh4rpz

01-11-2010, 03:17 PM

Yea, to Arsenal, it would mean the end of RVP though.. :(

I think I mentioned at the start of the season that I like RVP a lot as a player, but with the amount of actual game time he gets, and the contributions he makes, I would rather see another player of equal standard replace him in the squad. I think it would be a shame really, but I think he isn't getting any younger, and we are always waiting for this BIG SEASON from him, and it never arrives.

It's hard luck, because he has such a great attitude to go with his skill but as unfortunate as it may be, I would rather have an injury free player in our team contributing 20 goals a season, than a 8-10 goal a season RVP.

I hope he turns it around though and has an injury free run.

smokey

01-11-2010, 03:25 PM

On this note: anyone playing PES2011 on PS3 online here? Drop me a PM and maybe we can set up an online League & Cup.

If you can access KOnami's servers, then we could play anytime. If you HAVE to play on PSN... sorry. I'm a PC aficionado.

EDIT: @tarantula... :rolleyes: DUH! He would be second choice. Seems he is a far better option than Terribull for long term and Hilario ain't getting any younger.

smokey

01-11-2010, 03:36 PM

Yea, to Arsenal, it would mean the end of RVP though.. :(

Mate, chin up. I was ecstatic when we sold Robben and got Malouda. Sure it took some time for Malouda to settle, but it's all good now. You have let certain things go in football no matter how much they mean to you.

On the topic of RvP's "loyalty"... HE probably knows that no one in their right mind would tolerate this much injury trouble. He'd be kicked around so many clubs if he left you (with an ever decreasing salary to boot). There is a modicum of selfishness to his loyalty, I would put money on it.

sh4rpz

01-11-2010, 03:44 PM

If you can access KOnami's servers, then we could play anytime. If you HAVE to play on PSN... sorry. I'm a PC aficionado.

Is it possible to play across platforms?

nivek

01-11-2010, 04:00 PM

Mate, chin up. I was ecstatic when we sold Robben and got Malouda. Sure it took some time for Malouda to settle, but it's all good now. You have let certain things go in football no matter how much they mean to you.

On the topic of RvP's "loyalty"... HE probably knows that no one in their right mind would tolerate this much injury trouble. He'd be kicked around so many clubs if he left you (with an ever decreasing salary to boot). There is a modicum of selfishness to his loyalty, I would put money on it.

Yea true.. Benzema would be a very able replacement, just sad to see RVP this way, everyone knows what a brilliant player he could be..

He's due back this week, perhaps its his last opportunity to prove to Wenger that he can stay fit..

smokey

01-11-2010, 04:03 PM

Is it possible to play across platforms?

Pretty sure. All the platforms use the same engine if I'm not mistaken.

Tarantula

01-11-2010, 04:16 PM

Regarding Benzema, I think he'll be a replacement for Bendtner rather than RVP. Have heard rumours that Nik B could be on his bike come Jan 2011.

Having said that, I can't see us breaking the bank for Benzema though. Considering Real paid 30 million pound for him, he'll need a price tag of half that for Wenger to be interested IMO.

EDIT: @tarantula... :rolleyes: DUH! He would be second choice. Seems he is a far better option than Terribull for long term and Hilario ain't getting any younger.

Mate, from what I can read from his comments, he'll only leave Arsenal for 1st team football.

RexxGrim

01-11-2010, 04:24 PM

Yea true.. Benzema would be a very able replacement, just sad to see RVP this way, everyone knows what a brilliant player he could be..

He's due back this week, perhaps its his last opportunity to prove to Wenger that he can stay fit..

Well see a new and improve RVP when he makes his comeback. I've heard from a realiable source that the medical staff has gone all out to get the player back.

Apparently they extracted Barca DNA from Cesc. This was combined with horse placenta to clone 2 Lionel Messi ankles. The ankles was transplanted 6 weeks ago. They are indestructable and even if bent 180 degrees in a tackle the player would only be out for 10 days max.

On a serious note I agree with Nivek. It would be sad to see him end his Arsenal career like this. Love the player and hope he can make a massive comeback in the second part of the season.

smokey

01-11-2010, 04:57 PM

I don't think it's a problem of him making a come-back, it's more to do with him getting injured again and being out for another 3-6 months. It's an ongoing process.

nivek

01-11-2010, 09:22 PM

Theres no manager like AW
http://www.akhilvyas.com/2010/11/class-class-class-our-manger-is-class.html

RexxGrim

02-11-2010, 08:55 AM

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_6481228,00.html

Wilshere signs new deal. Good News.

RexxGrim

02-11-2010, 01:14 PM

Some team news before tomorrow.

Cesc is not traveling, but might be ready for Sunday.

Song,Denilson,AA are doubts but will be assesed later.

(Source:Arsenal.com)

mmmig

02-11-2010, 03:18 PM

I think Denilson on his way out.

sh4rpz

02-11-2010, 03:37 PM

Hi guys,

Not sure if this was posted yet, but Cesc tweeted it earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SorPhiHgSOI

Great video - sums up being a Gooner.

nivek

02-11-2010, 03:45 PM

I think Denilson on his way out.

He's been decent this year when he's featured, I hope you're wrong, he had a few shocking moments last season, but it seems his form is back

Id rather Diaby left

Randhir

02-11-2010, 03:56 PM

Hi guys,

Not sure if this was posted yet, but Cesc tweeted it earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SorPhiHgSOI

Great video - sums up being a Gooner.

As much as I hated the early 2000's Arsenal team, it was almost criminal that they never won a Champion's League. I felt so sorry for them when they walked passed the trophy after the game.

sh4rpz

02-11-2010, 04:04 PM

As much as I hated the early 2000's Arsenal team, it was almost criminal that they never won a Champion's League. I felt so sorry for them when they walked passed the trophy after the game.

I sometimes feel that the team from 2002-2004 were probably the best in the world at some point, without ever really reaching their potential in the Champions League. Maybe this batch will do it one day, and if they do it will be a testament to Arsene and all the players who wore red and white under him.

GRBoy

02-11-2010, 04:57 PM

I think Denilson on his way out.

Why do you say that?

GRBoy

02-11-2010, 04:59 PM

He's been decent this year when he's featured, I hope you're wrong, he had a few shocking moments last season, but it seems his form is back

Id rather Diaby left

1000 times. Just wish Denilson could get more regular play time, but it is very difficult in the squad we now have.

nivek

03-11-2010, 09:54 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/03/stan-kroenke-arsenal-stake

Looks like Kroenke might take over, i'm actually hoping it happens, as it'll take Usmanov out of the picture

MR.C

03-11-2010, 11:09 AM

I thought that the Fanshare system was in place. Well, is it ?

Tarantula

03-11-2010, 11:52 AM

1000 times. Just wish Denilson could get more regular play time, but it is very difficult in the squad we now have.

I agree. Diaby has had his time to prove himself and he just hasn't delivered. He was in the same boat as Song and look where Song is and look where he is. I would send him on his way.

Denilson will forever be a backup to Song and Wilshere.

What are your guys thoughts of possibly playing Vermaelen as a defensive mid? I think it could work very nicely. With Wenger looking at snapping up Mertesacker, it could be an option.

fordguy

03-11-2010, 12:16 PM

Gooner fan Supremo!!

Go boys! Hit Shaktar for a 6 this time!!

Alan

03-11-2010, 05:43 PM

"We like to play with each other and like to win games, that is what we try to do. It brings the best out of all of us" - Nicklas Bendtner reveals how they keep spirits up in the Arsenal dressing room.

Wenger likes his boys :twisted:

MR.C

03-11-2010, 07:07 PM

Bendtner wears pink boots, nuff said

smokey

03-11-2010, 07:14 PM

Bendtner wears pink boots, nuff said

Drogba also wears pink boots. The only question that remains to be answered is whether Arsenal players bend as willingly in the dressing room for him as they do on the pitch.

nivek

03-11-2010, 08:45 PM

Bendtner wears pink boots, nuff said

Bendtner is fantastic, hope he has a long career at Arsenal, he can wear leopard print boots for all I care
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3200928/Cristiano-Ronaldos-new-Nike-safari-print-boots-revealed.html

Alan

03-11-2010, 08:50 PM

Bendtner is fantastic, hope he has a long career at Arsenal, he can wear leopard print boots for all I care
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3200928/Cristiano-Ronaldos-new-Nike-safari-print-boots-revealed.html

You'd like him even more if he did

nivek

03-11-2010, 09:10 PM

You'd like him even more if he did

As long as he wears matching underwear

:erm:

Alan

03-11-2010, 09:12 PM

ffs you Arsenal types are all the same :sick:

nivek

03-11-2010, 09:20 PM

ffs you Arsenal types are all the same :sick:
:love:

MartyMarts

03-11-2010, 09:33 PM

Bendtner is fantastic ...

I have to stop you right there. Bendtner is still rather average. In the last 3 seasons I've watched him 'blossom' from being a lanky, awkward yet promising teenager into a lanky, awkward and occasionally effective player. He has a woeful first touch, absolutely no pace and for someone with his stature, he simply does not put enough fear into defenders during set pieces or crosses (compare him to Andy Carroll of NUFC who seems to cause chaos in similar situations). Just my opinion though.

That said, I hope Bendtner scores a hat trick tonight and goes on to become the striker he's been promising to be for a few years now.

phiber

03-11-2010, 10:42 PM

wtf is our defense doing today ?????? Two rookie mistakes, Eastmond and Clichy, wtf.

Randhir

04-11-2010, 12:05 AM

So was the Eduardo goal cheered tonight?

smokey

04-11-2010, 12:17 AM

So was the Eduardo goal cheered tonight?

hehe... just wanted to ask this :D

nivek

04-11-2010, 08:59 AM

wtf is our defense doing today ?????? Two rookie mistakes, Eastmond and Clichy, wtf.

Well, Eastmond scored the OG, but Eboue was at fault for giving away the free kick, he just reminded us why we have Sagna, who is 100x better defensively..
Clichy is lil bit prone to error, and Gibbs should really be first choice if he can stay injury free.. The one thing about Eastmond was his passing was way off, I also think if Frimpong was fit he would've started ahead of Eastmond, he just seems a much more promising player

Its not the end of the world really, so many Arsenal fans crying on twitter, 'Arsenal Le'Grove' as usual, hes such a chop..
Alot of key players were rested for this trip, and Shakhter havent lost a game at home in 2 years, it was never going to be easy... I predicted 2-1 to them on the weekend :D Should've put money on it :(

So was the Eduardo goal cheered tonight?

I was still happy for Eddy, he's looking dangerous again

Tarantula

04-11-2010, 10:00 AM

Guys, lets not jump on the bandwagon here. It was a very off night for us where everyshot went directly to the keeper (there were plenty of them). Shaktar's 1st goal was lucky and the 2nd came from a complete brain fade from Clichy.

It was an off night with an under strength team playing against a team who are formidable at home.

We're still going to finish top of our group, so lets just put this down to a learning curve.

So was the Eduardo goal cheered tonight?

Lol. It was cheered by 50 000 crazy Ukranians. Felt the same as when Edu scored at the Emirates. There is no other player I'd rather score against Arsenal. Edu is a gunner for life!

...aTrueASL

04-11-2010, 10:02 AM

The boys were poor but, it's never easy going to places like the Ukraine and getting a result.

nivek

04-11-2010, 12:25 PM

Cant believe RVP has been called up by holland

RexxGrim

04-11-2010, 03:19 PM

Cant believe RVP has been called up by holland

It is a bit silly. He hasn't played in about 2 months and its for a friendly. Is he actually back in training for us?

How much say has the player got in situations like this?

MR.C

07-11-2010, 04:16 PM

RVP is on the bench, so is Arshavinam good to have strength in depth.

Tpex

07-11-2010, 04:35 PM

How BS was that yellow card?

MR.C

07-11-2010, 04:53 PM

RVP is on as a sub but we still 1-0 down.

...aTrueASL

07-11-2010, 05:12 PM

We really love playing the newly promoted teams at home hey?

...aTrueASL

07-11-2010, 05:25 PM

Well done Newcastle. Wenger take the defeat like a man please.

Tpex

07-11-2010, 05:28 PM

phiber

07-11-2010, 05:38 PM

phiber

07-11-2010, 08:30 PM

dammit, and we needed to win, chelsea dropped 3 points... FFS!!!

MartyMarts

08-11-2010, 08:27 AM

We played **** football today...

Yip. Sadly that pretty much sums it up.

dammit, and we needed to win, chelsea dropped 3 points... FFS!!!

Seems like every time Chelsea drop points so do we. Sadly ManU collected 3 points (just barely though). NUFC in 4th - interesting.

R13...

08-11-2010, 08:30 AM

Sadly ManU collected 3 points (just barely though).
How you collect 3 points doesn't matter... I'm :mad: we dropped 3 yesterday. If Nasri could survive to half-time maybe he should have been kept on a bit longer? When Cesc isn't at his best you need someone like that to make things happen.

Let's hope the real Man City turn up on Wednesday, but they must only draw. Can't afford either of those 2 getting max points:twisted:

nivek

08-11-2010, 08:48 AM

Well, theres Fabianski's mistake... Koscienly's 2nd red but I think Squllaci was quite average. We sucked going forward, bringing on RVP was a mistake, he did nothing, Arsharvin did 4ckall as well, should have brought on Rosicky...

We played **** football today...

I agree, bringing on RVP was a bad mistake.. This seems to be a trend though, when RVP comes back from injury, and we're losing AW throws him on and he proves to be ineffective, its hardly his fault, he's hardly match fit... Tho how was that first move of his to get around the defender, pure class!
I dont think Rosicky was on the bench?
Arshavin did alright, Cesc's passing was way off, maybe hes still carrying that injury?
Rosicky for Cesc wouldve been a good option if he was there

Lets not get on the keeper again, hes been decent in the last few games, if you want to see a mistake, check out VDS getting nutmegged by Wolves, or Reina's 2 flops in the Chelsea game, both were lucky that it didnt impact their results

Koscielny was unlucky with the red

Barton with his new hitler haircut played a clean game for a change, credit to newcastle, they won the game fairly and played well

MartyMarts

08-11-2010, 08:58 AM

How you collect 3 points doesn't matter...

I know. I was just implying that ManU are still not looking convincing - which is always a good thing for us ;)
I wish we would change our game plan and win ugly when necessary.

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Barton with his new hitler haircut played a clean game for a change, credit to newcastle, they won the game fairly and played well

Yeah, NUFC did play very well. So well in fact that they made us look rather average. Kudos to them.

Cesc had a really poor game and he should have been taken off instead of JW who I thought had a decent game.

nivek

08-11-2010, 09:02 AM

I know. I was just implying that ManU are still not looking convincing - which is always a good thing for us ;)
I wish we would change our game plan and win ugly when necessary.

Yeah, NUFC did play very well. So well in fact that they made us look rather average. Kudos to them.
Cesc had a really poor game and he should have been taken off instead of JW who I thought had a decent game.

And we had no width what so ever

smokey

08-11-2010, 09:57 AM

Lets not get on the keeper again, hes been decent in the last few games

Thank you. OK, so he made a gaff, but performed admirably the rest of the game. Supporters getting on his case now will only lead to another Almuniaesque loss of self confidence and the rep of your fns going further down the toilet (when it come to your players). Give the lad a chance FFS! Top draw comment mate.

RexxGrim

08-11-2010, 11:45 AM

4/5 decent chances and we can't even convert 1.

This is going to be a tough month if we can't fix whatever the current problem is.

Wolves (A)
Everton (A)
Spurs (H)
Villa (A)

With Braga CL (A) fixture in between.

RexxGrim

09-11-2010, 08:45 AM

Tarantula

09-11-2010, 09:52 AM

http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/11/arsenal-4-1-everton-jet-makes-the-difference/

JET scored twice as Arsenal beat Everton Reserves 4-1. I might be over reacting, but this guy seems to know how to put the ball in the back of the net. He can hardly do worse than the forwards that played Sunday. I thought Ramsey was going to make his return in this game?

It seems they are appealing the Kos red card.

Do you know if TV's red card was appealed? If so, what was the outcome? The situation was pretty much identical to Kos'.

Not sure on the status of Ramsey, but I am guessing it is soon as RVP and Ramsey's return date were the same in a article a few weeks ago. With Rocky News currently down I am a bit lost in Arsenal news.

RexxGrim

09-11-2010, 09:59 AM

Do you know if TV's red card was appealed? If so, what was the outcome? The situation was pretty much identical to Kos'.

Not sure on the status of Ramsey, but I am guessing it is soon as RVP and Ramsey's return date were the same in a article a few weeks ago. With Rocky News currently down I am a bit lost in Arsenal news.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/vermaelen-red-card-appeal-is-dismissed

Is this the one you are talking about. The decision was upheld.

nivek

09-11-2010, 10:05 AM

Thank you. OK, so he made a gaff, but performed admirably the rest of the game. Supporters getting on his case now will only lead to another Almuniaesque loss of self confidence and the rep of your fns going further down the toilet (when it come to your players). Give the lad a chance FFS! Top draw comment mate.

Thanks!
Something pointed out on a few blogs, could be the reason for the poor home games of late, the support at the Emirates is shocking, people were leaving early on Sunday, lots of groaning with every mistake made, and not much support for their team..
The fans that attend matches at the Emirates should be ashamed really

Tarantula

09-11-2010, 10:05 AM

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/vermaelen-red-card-appeal-is-dismissed

Is this the one you are talking about. The decision was upheld.

Well thats no good. However according to Arsenal.com TV is very close to a comeback.

Thomas suffered an Achilles injury while on international duty with Belgium in September. The injury took a while to heal but he is now close to a comeback. On November 5, Arsene Wenger said: "Vermaelen is not far but is not ready. It is a question of days for him. It is encouraging.”

http://www.arsenal.com/news/injury-news

Hopefully we'll see TV stepping in sooner rather than later. Not too much faith in Djourou.

nivek

09-11-2010, 10:19 AM

Yea, cant wait for TV to get back

Its a shame about Diaby really, they scared he might never play again

RexxGrim

09-11-2010, 10:34 AM

Yea, cant wait for TV to get back

Its a shame about Diaby really, they scared he might never play again

It is a shame about Diaby. That will make it 2 players that lost a bit after horrible injuries. Lets hope Ramsey can comeback 100%.

Interesting fact about Vermealen is that he has the best Goal/Shots ratio of all players in the current squad.

Got no problem with Djourou, but I think Squallaci and Djourou is our worst combination at the back as both players are a bit slow. Lets hope Vermaelen is back for Everton at least, because if the suspention stands Kos will be out for 2 games.

Tarantula

09-11-2010, 11:06 AM

Yea, cant wait for TV to get back

Its a shame about Diaby really, they scared he might never play again

Really?! Link?

That is a shame.

nivek

09-11-2010, 11:07 AM

Really?! Link?

That is a shame.

Read it on twitter, apparently he has 2 pieces of bone floating in it, and they dont know how to fix it or if they can

smokey

09-11-2010, 11:11 AM

Read it on twitter, apparently he has 2 pieces of bone floating in it, and they dont know how to fix it or if they can

While we're on that topic... do you follow @BigSam? That schit's hilarious!

Randhir

09-11-2010, 11:17 AM

Read it on twitter, apparently he has 2 pieces of bone floating in it, and they dont know how to fix it or if they can

Sheesh. Hope he'll be ok. I actually like Diaby as a player, I think he has some maturing to do, and AW needs to kick his arse into gear a bit, but once he's motivated properly, I think he'll be a good player for you guys.

nivek

09-11-2010, 11:23 AM

While we're on that topic... do you follow @BigSam? That schit's hilarious!

Oi!:twisted:
I gave you bigsam to follow ;)

nivek

09-11-2010, 11:24 AM

Sheesh. Hope he'll be ok. I actually like Diaby as a player, I think he has some maturing to do, and AW needs to kick his arse into gear a bit, but once he's motivated properly, I think he'll be a good player for you guys.

You just like him cause he scores own goals for you at old trafford

Randhir

09-11-2010, 11:45 AM

You just like him cause he scores own goals for you at old trafford

If you think about it, who didn't score own goals for us last season? :)

Nah, always thought he was a good player, but lazy. If he put in more time training, I think he'd be so much better.

RexxGrim

09-11-2010, 11:58 AM

If you think about it, who didn't score own goals for us last season? :)

Nah, always thought he was a good player, but lazy. If he put in more time training, I think he'd be so much better.

Hot and cold type of player. Terribly frustrating to watch, but yes I also like the player. After all that has been said about his injury you have to wonder how much of an influence it has on his performances on the pitch.

nivek

09-11-2010, 12:09 PM

If you think about it, who didn't score own goals for us last season? :)

Nah, always thought he was a good player, but lazy. If he put in more time training, I think he'd be so much better.

True, and he did manage to knock John Terry out cold a few years ago (sorry smokey)

He is a decent player, holds the ball really well, probably the reason for all his ankle injuries too

RexxGrim

09-11-2010, 06:00 PM

The Kos appeal was dismissed, he will miss the wolves and everton games.

Tarantula

10-11-2010, 09:27 AM

The Kos appeal was dismissed, he will miss the wolves and everton games.

and it seems TV has suffered a setback and will not be returning anytime soon.

Lovely.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_6497288,00.html

theratman

10-11-2010, 02:58 PM

CARROLL! :P

Randhir

10-11-2010, 08:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZixaQA5CGw&feature=player_embedded

nivek

11-11-2010, 08:46 AM

RexxGrim

11-11-2010, 09:01 AM

All I can say is WOW @ Fabianski, another MOTM performance! brilliant brilliant brilliant

Rosicky should start more often, Arshavin played really well too, but was unlucky.. I think Arsene is going to have problems sleeping at night deciding how to fit rosicky/nasri/arshavin/walcott into the team, now with ramsey coming back, he'll fight with wilshere and denilson for a starting spot.. this team has alot of of depth this season

Some good stops and solid performance by Fab. Still its edge of the seat stuff when watching Arsenal latetly. I could not watch the last 5 min. PVR'ed it, then watched it after I heard the final score. (Trying to save myself from a heart attack).

I had to laugh when the commentator said "Is it going to be one of those night's for Wolves." Normally its the other way around.

Think that Song/Cesc/Jack is our best combination in midfield at the moment. Arshavin did play much better, worked a lot more.

Tarantula

11-11-2010, 11:01 AM

smokey

11-11-2010, 11:41 AM

Yeah, I agree that it was very edge of the seat stuff. I think the ref had made some shocking decisions and were pretty laughable.

I am beginning to rate Fabianski these days. I can now see what AW has seen in training. Top class saves. MOTM for sure.

You think AW didn't see that with Almunia? The problem there is that every time he touches the ball the opposition cheer and the Gunners support groan/boo/shriek like children. It fcks up the order of things and turns an otherwise decent goalie into a calamity waiting to happen.

RexxGrim

11-11-2010, 12:00 PM

Tarantula

11-11-2010, 12:12 PM

Reina, Hart, Van der Sar all made errors so far this Season that cost there teams points.

Hart against Sunderland iirc came out and missed the ball outside the box. Van der Sar against WBA dropped a sitter. Reina knock on own goal against Arsenal. Imo these are worse than Fabianski's mistake against Newcastle. I could list more. Gomes vs United etc.

The fact of the matter is Fabianski is playing under a microscope at the moment and does not receive forgiveness for his mistakes, which adds a lot of pressure. Credit to him for coming back so strong after Sunday. Match winning performance to follow an error is the way to win over the fans.

He got me confinced even though I've got the tendency to get carried away very easily. :D

Tech9 signed a 5 year deal it seems. That would mean he got his assurances with regards to pecking order and game time. I don't see Almunia coming back into it.

Thats right. Personally, seeing Fabianski coming under such extreme critcism for his mistakes in the past, and now playing like one of the best keepers in the EPL is awesome beyond words. I really want to see Fabianski succeed given his past criticism. Hopefully he continues this form, and he proves that his great saves are not just flashes in a pan. He is turning out to be a great shot stopper, but still a bit iffy in commanding the box during free kicks / corners. Reminds me a bit of Shay Given tbh.

Who is Tech9? Sczczcznznzney? :P

RexxGrim

12-11-2010, 08:28 AM

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6500959,00.html

Confirmation of the the young polish keeper signing a new deal. What's up with the Oscar exceptance speach at the end? It was the same with Jack Wilshere, execpt Jack thanked his dog as well.

Helghast

14-11-2010, 06:10 PM

Why did Arsenal wear their yellow away colors?

MR.C

14-11-2010, 06:26 PM

Cos they were away at Goodison.
I hope that one day Clichy will be able to cross like Gareth Bale. He may look like his from planet of the apes but he sure knows how to send in good crosses.

nivek

14-11-2010, 06:31 PM

Why did Arsenal wear their yellow away colors?

Probably because the red poppy wouldnt have been visible on a red jersey

Cos they were away at Goodison.

Not quite

Helghast

14-11-2010, 06:59 PM

Cos they were away at Goodison.

Nah, their colours weren't clashing to begin with.

Probably because the red poppy wouldnt have been visible on a red jersey

Not quite

Yeah probably, thanks.

phiber

14-11-2010, 07:01 PM

Why did Arsenal wear their yellow away colors?

Cos yellow is our away Jersey and we were at Goodison.

Helghast

14-11-2010, 07:08 PM

Cos yellow is our away Jersey and we were at Goodison.

Don't people only wear away colours if their home colours clash with the home team colours? Like now sunderland are play Chelsea at the bridge. Sunderland dont need to use their away colours since their home colours dont clash with Chelsea's

MR.C

14-11-2010, 07:58 PM

Chelsea 3-0 down to sunderland, 10 mins to go. Whoohoo.

R13...

14-11-2010, 08:06 PM

I'd like to congratulate our rivals for losing/drawing:D great weekend all round chaps.

MR.C

14-11-2010, 08:09 PM

If we won last weekend, it would've been Arsenal on top. Great weekend cos united draw also.

Next weekend in lillywhites, we win we go top. Season not in any way over.

smokey

14-11-2010, 08:12 PM

Well, I know my brother has a huge smile on his face... thankfully Christmas is coming up...

phiber

14-11-2010, 08:17 PM

Don't people only wear away colours if their home colours clash with the home team colours? Like now sunderland are play Chelsea at the bridge. Sunderland dont need to use their away colours since their home colours dont clash with Chelsea's

Arsenal always wear yellow away, only wear the home kit when the away kit clashes... So last season they would have worn red at goodison, as they had a blue away kit.

Tpex

14-11-2010, 08:21 PM

I wish we would not wear yellow...

RexxGrim

15-11-2010, 08:53 AM

They could play in fishnet tops for all I care as long as they do the business on the pitch. Good away win.

I must say that Djourou is growing on me every game he plays. Solid defensive performance from all except for the last 15 min, when the tactic appeared to be to give Fabianski some practise.

Some priceless comments by the commantary team again. Not a lot of Arsenal love there. I might be over sensative but I think they did not have a positive thing to say about Arsenal until we were 2-0 up. From how bad Squallaci is, how dirty a player Cesc is and how we are in the middle of the biggest goal keeping crisis in the history of football.