Official Arsenal FC Supporters Thread [Archive] - Page 7

nivek

11-05-2010, 12:55 PM

don't know how many of you guys watch 'Monday Night Football' on SS3 last night or in general - Idah Peterside is an absolute muppet and should never be allowed to comment on anything Arsenal. The guy has nothing substantial or of merit to say and he basically reads the online columns or watches skysports news and repeats word for word everything he hears or reads, badly out of context and it gets passed off by the panel at supersport.

If he's an expert, then most of us are Prophetic.

edit: I can't see that he's been an Arsenal fan for more than 8 years maximum. I think he started following Arsenal during the purple patch of trophies during the early 2000s. To say that we need a complete overhaul or the manager must go is crazy. From a so called 'expert', I find that irresponsible.

I dont bother with Monday night football, couldnt be assed what any of them have to say, there are better places to get your dose of football news and discussions, mybb for example :D and there are some great arsenal blogs

sh4rpz

11-05-2010, 01:02 PM

I dont bother with Monday night football, couldnt be assed what any of them have to say, there are better places to get your dose of football news and discussions, mybb for example :D and there are some great arsenal blogs

agreed - I've hardly watched MNF since the late 90's and early 2000's when it was just Gary and Terry - wanted to catch some highlights of Ars v Fulham and hear some amusing L'pool and Man U fans bitching - watched last week and it was classic! However, the football related comments by Idah are ridiculous sometimes. Have to comment tho on Shaun Bartlett and Andre Arendse who have been great on the panel for SS - they speak a lot of sense most times and are fair in their assessments. Sean Dundee isn't bad either.

nivek

11-05-2010, 01:06 PM

agreed - I've hardly watched MNF since the late 90's and early 2000's when it was just Gary and Terry - wanted to catch some highlights of Ars v Fulham and hear some amusing L'pool and Man U fans bitching - watched last week and it was classic! However, the football related comments by Idah are ridiculous sometimes. Have to comment tho on Shaun Bartlett and Andre Arendse who have been great on the panel for SS - they speak a lot of sense most times and are fair in their assessments. Sean Dundee isn't bad either.

About Idah, there alot of so called Arsenal fans calling for Wenger to be sacked and the squad to be overhauled, they're just clueless

sh4rpz

11-05-2010, 01:11 PM

About Idah, there alot of so called Arsenal fans calling for Wenger to be sacked and the squad to be overhauled, they're just clueless

...and spoilt.

“If you eat caviar every day, sometimes it is difficult to come back to sausages and mash.” Arsene Wenger - December 1999

sh4rpz

12-05-2010, 12:16 AM

Congratulations to Steve Bould and the Academy League team who retained the title and become the 1st team in history to win it back to back. More so, they did it without the main stars of last years winning team, who were promoted to the Reserves or sent out on loan - the core of the team was made up of a complete new spine - so great work by Liam Brady and Steve Bould.

Players to look out for in future will surely be Spainish defender Ignasi Miquel, Dutch playmaker Oguzhan Ozyakup, striker Luke Freeman and hat-trick hero Banik Afobe. They will possibly have a run in the Emirates Cup and the League Cup campaign.

Match report and info here:

http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/172009/youth/arsenal-yth-v-nottm-forest-yth?tab=report

MR.C

12-05-2010, 12:48 AM

I still wish we can get Mezit Ozil and I believe Chamakh is a done deal. We have to buy, not to improve the players but rather to be ready when the injuries start. If I had to buy 1 player ? I'd buy sergio ramos from real, not only for his experience or ability but for his guts and confidence and belief. He will be a natural leader.
That's my opinion.

Korn1

12-05-2010, 09:34 AM

nivek

12-05-2010, 10:39 AM

"Arsenal Keen On Blackburn Rovers Goalkeeper Paul Robinson - Report"

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/transfer-zone/2010/05/11/1919992/arsenal-keen-on-blackburn-rovers-goalkeeper-paul-robinson

The irony :D

Dude its silly season,

You are more likely to play keeper at Arsenal than Robinson next season,.. infact i bet we can even get goal.com to publish a report on it, pm me your first and last name :D

sh4rpz

13-05-2010, 02:41 PM

Anyone hear anything about Fran Merida extending his contract yet? Would be *** if he left, down to us going to court over his fee etc. Why is it we always tend to over-extend ourselves with these players, do everything we can to bring them in, pay their clubs compensations over the small fees we ought to, and then send them on loan so that they get their required paperwork and playing VISAs...only to lose them on a free?

examples: Edu in 2001, Fabian Cabellero in 2002 and Flamini in 2004 - all left on Bosmans, after the club broke themselves trying to bring them in. Now Fran! Chief Exec...where are you?

edit: Sebastian Svard, Guy Demel and Rui Fonte are others I recall at the top of my head.

Korn1

13-05-2010, 05:48 PM

Dude its silly season,

You are more likely to play keeper at Arsenal than Robinson next season,.. infact i bet we can even get goal.com to publish a report on it, pm me your first and last name :D

True its still early :) Still think Rob should of been chosen for the SWC

sh4rpz

13-05-2010, 05:54 PM

not to get everyone too excited, but as some gooners are certain a keeper will arrive, here's someone in the know, who backs up those GK claims:

http://legendaire.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/bob-wilson-arsenal-will-buy-a-new-goalkeeper/

nivek

13-05-2010, 05:57 PM

sh4rpz check your pm's

phiber

14-05-2010, 11:20 AM

Arsenal captain Cesc Fabregas wants his future sorted out before this summer's World Cup and has admitted that he wants to return to Barcelona.

Fabregas, who has failed to win a trophy in the past five years with the Gunners, insisted he was still happy at the Premier League club but warned: "If I leave Arsenal it will be to play at Barcelona."

The former Barca youth player will join up with the Spain squad on May 24 to prepare for South Africa 2010 and told Marca: "I want to make a decision about my future before the start of the World Cup.

"It's impossible to perform at a tournament like the World Cup if you're not fully focused on the sporting aspects of the game. I don't want to be distracted by transfer talk."

However, the 24-year-old midfielder, who is contracted to the Gunners until 2014, added: "I am very happy at Arsenal and I am in no hurry to leave."

Fabregas will decide his future this weekend after talks with boss Arsene Wenger, in which he will seek assurances regarding Arsenal's recruitment plans for the summer. The club have already agreed a deal to sign Bordeaux striker Marouane Chamakh.

Link (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=786260&sec=england&cc=3888)

I hope its just talk and he doesn't actually decide to leave. It would be devastating to our squad and I don't realistically think we can win without him.

nivek

14-05-2010, 11:24 AM

.

Link (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=786260&sec=england&cc=3888)

I hope its just talk and he doesn't actually decide to leave. It would be devastating to our squad and I don't realistically think we can win without him.

theres nothing to the story he isnt going anywhere

phiber

14-05-2010, 11:28 AM

theres nothing to the story he isnt going anywhere

I hope you're right nivek (your name kevin btw? always meant to ask you that :P)

superskully

14-05-2010, 11:36 AM

theres nothing to the story he isnt going anywhere

Funny thing is: read his statement. "If he leaves...". He did not say he wants to leave but rather that if he does...
Typical media hype.

nivek

14-05-2010, 11:36 AM

I hope you're right nivek (your name kevin btw? always meant to ask you that :P)

In the same interview he said he is happy at Arsenal :)
and Wenger will never allow him to leave now..

You know how the spanish press are they do it every opportunity they get with Fabregas, and they did it for ages with Henry too, and Henry only left when Arsene was ready to let him go

sh4rpz

14-05-2010, 02:28 PM

sh4rpz check your pm's

sorry bud, will check now - was away yesterday

phiber

15-05-2010, 02:45 PM

Samir Nasri has said he is one of "four or five" Arsenal players who do not speak to William Gallas.
(http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=786779&sec=england&cc=3888)

I really think he must go now...

Cantera

15-05-2010, 06:28 PM

mmmig

15-05-2010, 08:15 PM

I see Cesc was flirting with Barcelona again. Interviewed on sky sports today he basically said if Barca want him they must contact Arsenal. He went on to say he is happy at Arsenal but wants to play at the Camp Nou. Dont be surprised if he leaves. If the media makes a big wooop ha about, Arsenal supporters can blame Cesc for it. He was very direct in the interview about where he wants to play his football.

I don't see Fabregas going to Barca until Xavi has a set date for retirement. expect Barca to put a bid for Fabregas has soon has they start to phase Xavi out of the side

nivek

17-05-2010, 10:49 AM

I see Cesc was flirting with Barcelona again. Interviewed on sky sports today he basically said if Barca want him they must contact Arsenal. He went on to say he is happy at Arsenal but wants to play at the Camp Nou. Dont be surprised if he leaves. If the media makes a big wooop ha about, Arsenal supporters can blame Cesc for it. He was very direct in the interview about where he wants to play his football.

Ummm
Sorry but whats wrong with "if barca want him they must contact arsenal"? thats the way things work, if he wanted to he would hand in a transfer request, he's always said he wanted to play at barca at some point in his career, he didnt say that point is now

Cantera

17-05-2010, 11:50 AM

nivek

17-05-2010, 12:09 PM

Have you got a transcript?

Cantera

17-05-2010, 12:11 PM

Nope, saw it on sky sports on Saturday morning/

sh4rpz

17-05-2010, 07:49 PM

In the interview he basically told Barca, to come and get him. It was straight foward.

So all this crap about the Spanish media making things up is laughable. If you want the media to get off Cesc, then he shouldnt be saying things like he wants to play his football at the Camp Nou. If asked about a transfer, why doesnt he just say, ''Im going nowhere because I want to finish my contract with Arsenal''

Simple.

check your facts buddy - it was a video on spanish tv - in spanish - not on sky.

Had the interview (which is quite hilariously edited to suit said news media) translated into english by a spanish friend

Question: 'if you leave arsenal, would you only do so if it were barca?'

Cesc: Yes, only barcelona [audience applause]

Cesc: but it is disrespectful to behave this way (to such questioning). I am very happy with life at arsenal and with Barca fighting for the title it would be disrespectful to speak such things as I am a player of arsenal'

-no question, just edit straight to answer- yes, we will sort this out hopefully before the world cup

a source who had seen the entire interview told several reputable arsenal blogs that the interviewer asked Cesc if it was true Arsenal had offered him a new, improved contract over the 8 year one he had signed in 2007/8. The fact that the question was omitted from the spanish interview and then passed on to several tabloids, screams mischief. We are assured tho, that Cesc will make a statement on the official Arsenal website (www.arsenal.com) confirming his position as he has had to do, several times.

Cesc Fabregas is the captain of Arsenal. The young man knows his responsibilities more than anyone and how he portrays himself in the media - i say this, due to the fact that whenever a story, no matter how trivial, has run - he has always come out to state he is 100% committed to Arsenal. The team has been built around him, and I have absolutely no doubt he is staying a gunner.

mmmig

17-05-2010, 09:10 PM

Who do you think will be the break-out player of the next season?

Cantera

17-05-2010, 09:41 PM

nivek

18-05-2010, 09:32 AM

Who do you think will be the break-out player of the next season?

Nasri :)

iDOL

18-05-2010, 01:08 PM

Arsenal collecting performance based bonus for Reyes on the basis of Atletico having won the Europa Liga.

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 01:10 PM

Nasri :)

agreed.

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 01:20 PM

Are you mad?

How can you tell me what i saw on sky sports?

He was freakin interviewd in ENGLISH by an ENGLISH journo!

a tad mad - I can't tell you what you saw a-hole, but I can point out what's out there for everyone else to see - and even on skysports.com, the only interview referenced, is the one I had translated from the actual video above.

the article is available on sky.

Cantera

18-05-2010, 01:29 PM

a tad mad - I can't tell you what you saw a-hole, but I can point out what's out there for everyone else to see - and even on skysports.com, the only interview referenced, is the one I had translated from the actual video above.

the article is available on sky.

If you never saw the interview on Saturday on skysports then i suggest you shut your trap.

Still having a good ol laugh, you never saw the interview but you want to comment on it.

I saw it, and it was in English with an ENGLISH Journo!!!

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 01:43 PM

Just the latest on Cesc, from our buddy arseblogger - www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog

"Goal.com have plundered the Spanish media for stuff about Cesc and they quote two Barcelona officials saying that both Cesc and David Villa want to sign for them this summer. I know, I know, they say that all the time. Reports that there's a showdown meeting between Cesc and the boss today seem to be wide of the mark but there's absolutely no doubting their desire to bring Cesc home this summer. Whether he goes is another thing, of course. Can the manager convince him that Arsenal is the place where his ambitions can be fulfilled?

There's the other factor in that Cesc is under contract at Arsenal and the reason we haven't 'named our price' is because we don't want to sell him, nor do we have to sell him. So we hold a reasonably strong hand in that regard. However, the reality is that if a player wants to leave contracts matter little, we've seen that time and time again (and look at Adebayor, if a club wants to sell the contract means little to them either). As it stands there's a lot more uncertainty surrounding Cesc's future than any of us would like right now. Hopefully we can get it sorted quickly because another epic, summer long, will he, won't he, will they, won't they, transfer saga is about the last thing we need."

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 02:13 PM

If you never saw the interview on Saturday on skysports then i suggest you shut your trap.

Still having a good ol laugh, you never saw the interview but you want to comment on it.

I saw it, and it was in English with an ENGLISH Journo!!!

your tone is offensive, and i can see why nobody here thinks a waffle of you. again, nothing surprising - you behave like a spoilt 13 year old girl who throws a hissy fit when people don't see things her way. the facepalm thing is especially gay.

Randhir

18-05-2010, 02:23 PM

the facepalm thing is especially gay.

If that bugs you, you should see the way he 'smells the hate'. That happens quite often.

Cantera

18-05-2010, 02:24 PM

your tone is offensive, and i can see why nobody here thinks a waffle of you. again, nothing surprising - you behave like a spoilt 13 year old girl who throws a hissy fit when people don't see things her way. the facepalm thing is especially gay.

My tone is offensive? What do you expect when you throw around insults?

Maybe i wasnt clear enough with you.

I SAW the CESC INTERVIEW IN ENGLISH ON SKY SPORTS on SATURDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you never saw it, how can you comment?

Next time think of the reply you are going to get before you type those insults.

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 02:27 PM

Christ.

nivek

18-05-2010, 02:28 PM

you behave like a spoilt 13 year old girl who throws a hissy fit when people don't see things her way.

lol
the same can be said for his team
i'll never forget the sprinklers after the loss vs inter, zero class... cesc really wouldnt fit in with that bunch

Cantera

18-05-2010, 02:32 PM

nivek

18-05-2010, 02:36 PM

The guy who turned the sprinklers on is my hero. He sould get a bonus for his timing.

/Laudrap said the very next day on ESPN soccernet presspass, everybody who played at the Camp Nou knows, that the sprinklers are going to come on after the game. It happened to him when he was a player as well.

If everybody at the camp nou knows, then why did Barca say they were going to 'investigate' it?
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/04/30/1902816/barcelona-to-investigate-sprinkler-incident-during-inter

Cantera

18-05-2010, 02:37 PM

If everybody at the camp nou knows, then why did Barca say they were going to 'investigate' it?
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/04/30/1902816/barcelona-to-investigate-sprinkler-incident-during-inter

Those were his EXACT words not mine.

Said it happened to him when he played there as well.

The ''investigation'' probably resulted in him getting a bonus for his perfect timing.

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 02:39 PM

I would venture to suggest that IF Cesc threw tantrums to leave, and i do stress the IF, then I am sure we cannot have a player leading our team when he already had one foot elsewhere. I'm sure we all want a captain who is committed and wants to 'die' for the shirt - I can't really fault Cesc, because he has been the very spirit of this club and he maintained the ethos of great captains before him like McLintock, O'Leary, Adams and Vieira.

I am not convinced he is ready to jump ship - I feel he has a lot to win here and all the more fulfilling. He is 23 and has time on his side to go to Barca, and when that time comes, I will wish him well.

He has scored 18 goals from midfield, assisted just as many, driven this team almost single handedly at times last season, came on vs Villa and his 2 goal match winning cameo busted his hamstring, played thru injury for much vs Barca in a UCL semi final, and took a penalty WITH a broken leg, then soldiered on so that we didn't have less players during the match. He is a hero already at Arsenal, in my book. The next trophy winning team will be his.

But, maybe he doesn't see it that way - and I, and hopefully the fans should respect that.

(even if he goes to those whiny, diving twats! meh) ;)

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 02:44 PM

The guy who turned the sprinklers on is my hero. He sould get a bonus for his timing.

and he expects us to take him seriously.

Cantera

18-05-2010, 02:51 PM

and he expects us to take him seriously.

Want a box of tissues?

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 02:57 PM

sorry bub, no sprinklers for you to turn on in here.

Randhir

18-05-2010, 03:47 PM

Want a box of tissues?

I think you do. You haven't stopped whining since Barca got knocked out.

sh4rpz

18-05-2010, 04:00 PM

Here's some latest info on Arsenal new boy Wellington, another one who was linked to Barca and Real in 2008/9. He joins Arsenal in January 2011 due to Brazilian league rules.

http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/05/wellington-learns-the-bergkamp-role-with-fluminense/

iDOL

18-05-2010, 05:29 PM

Tabloid press going wild in the UK.

"Cesc Fábregas 'tells' Arsenal: I want to rejoin Barcelona this summer" look I don't mind him leaving, just hand over the 80 million plus pounds then I will be happy.

I am certain that the Arsenal will be able to recruit suitable world class replacements - should someone other than Wenger handle the purse strings.

mmmig

18-05-2010, 05:35 PM

never trust the spanish press until told otherwise

iDOL

18-05-2010, 06:02 PM

this is the english press, as a result of Cesc heading back to london.

nivek

18-05-2010, 06:05 PM

this is the english press, as a result of Cesc heading back to london.

and they just repeat whatevers in the spanish press

nivek

18-05-2010, 06:06 PM

http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2010/05/18/1930931/breaking-news-cesc-fabregas-tells-arsene-wenger-he-is

Cesc Fabregas held a meeting today with Arsenal coach Arsene Wenger in London and told his French mentor of his desire to leave Arsenal this summer and sign for Barcelona, according to AS.

What a laugh, Wenger isnt even in London at the moment

iDOL

18-05-2010, 06:21 PM

well writing is on the wall : http://www.onlinegooner.com/editorial/index.php?id=244

when the esteemed editor of Online Gooner - Kevin Witcher hints at it, then it seems there is more substance to the rumours it seems.

GRBoy

18-05-2010, 06:32 PM

http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2010/05/18/1930931/breaking-news-cesc-fabregas-tells-arsene-wenger-he-is

Well - just look at who the author of the article is - Cyrus C Malek who writes almost exclusively Barca/La Liga stories and uses Marca as his source.

What a laugh, Wenger isnt even in London at the moment

What is your source for saying this?

GRBoy

18-05-2010, 06:40 PM

look I don't mind him leaving, just hand over the 80 million plus pounds then I will be happy.

I am certain that the Arsenal will be able to recruit suitable world class replacements

Would not even have to buy a replacement - would rather replace Diaby, Denilson - and spend the money on getting the best defenders possible. Nasri, Rambo, Wilshere can all take over. Not worried at all.

iDOL

18-05-2010, 07:10 PM

Would not even have to buy a replacement - would rather replace Diaby, Denilson - and spend the money on getting the best defenders possible. Nasri, Rambo, Wilshere can all take over. Not worried at all.

World class replacements plural - meaning not just limited to 1 player, also not limited to 1 position.

Basically this side suckers big time. Would prefer a total overall, but it is not the way of Wenger.

nivek

18-05-2010, 07:17 PM

Well - just look at who the author of the article is - Cyrus C Malek who writes almost exclusively Barca/La Liga stories and uses Marca as his source.

What is your source for saying this?

I read it somewhere earlier today, cant remember where, sorry

nivek

18-05-2010, 07:19 PM

http://wrighty7.blogspot.com/2010/05/so-how-does-guillem-balague-know.html

Check the comments here GRBoy

Cantera

18-05-2010, 07:22 PM

This is turning out to be pretty funny :D

Arsenal supporters are in denial and praying to the gods that Cesc stays.

nivek

18-05-2010, 07:24 PM

No we actually praying the nou camp burns down tonight

If Cesc goes to Barca you can be sure Wenger will come out as the winner in the deal

If by some miracle you do manage to sign him this summer, expect to lose the same amount of money you paid for Ibra + bojan and toure ;)

Cantera

18-05-2010, 07:33 PM

Barca will never include Bojan in the deal to Arsenal.

I dont even mind if Cesc doesnt come this season but im pretty sure he is coming soon.

Cantera

18-05-2010, 07:35 PM

check your facts buddy - it was a video on spanish tv - in spanish - not on sky.

Had the interview (which is quite hilariously edited to suit said news media) translated into english by a spanish friend

Question: 'if you leave arsenal, would you only do so if it were barca?'

Cesc: Yes, only barcelona [audience applause]

Cesc: but it is disrespectful to behave this way (to such questioning). I am very happy with life at arsenal and with Barca fighting for the title it would be disrespectful to speak such things as I am a player of arsenal'

-no question, just edit straight to answer- yes, we will sort this out hopefully before the world cup

a source who had seen the entire interview told several reputable arsenal blogs that the interviewer asked Cesc if it was true Arsenal had offered him a new, improved contract over the 8 year one he had signed in 2007/8. The fact that the question was omitted from the spanish interview and then passed on to several tabloids, screams mischief. We are assured tho, that Cesc will make a statement on the official Arsenal website (www.arsenal.com) confirming his position as he has had to do, several times.

Cesc Fabregas is the captain of Arsenal. The young man knows his responsibilities more than anyone and how he portrays himself in the media - i say this, due to the fact that whenever a story, no matter how trivial, has run - he has always come out to state he is 100% committed to Arsenal. The team has been built around him, and I have absolutely no doubt he is staying a gunner.

Online Ed: Obituary for an Arsenal career

There doesn’t seem much point in holding off writing this. The official announcement will come when the fee is agreed, but the writing has been very much on the wall since Cesc Fabregas’ effective ‘come and get me’ interview last week. The Arsenal captain is going to Barcelona, and he’ll be unveiled in the blue and red before the World Cup. Arsenal, if they are cute, may attempt to delay the announcement of the deal until the June 1st season ticket renewal date has passed, but this is one Catalan that’s out of the bag.

Seems like he saw the same interview. But wait, maybe it was the Spanish one. LoL

http://www.onlinegooner.com/editorial/index.php?id=244

As i said, i dont blame the Spanish media. I saw his interview on Saturday, he practically told Barca, come and get me.

phiber

18-05-2010, 07:37 PM

This is turning out to be pretty funny :D

Arsenal supporters are in denial and praying to the gods that Cesc stays.

If its his will we won't stop him. Wenger never has. I will be sad if he leaves but no-one is bigger than the team. Its a club and not a 1 man show, people need to remember this, and this is why people must start questioning Wengers vision, just for the sake of the club... I am not saying its wrong, but it needs to be reviewed. Back to the topic, I personally think he will stay 1 more season and by then Wilshere Ramsey and Nasri will be good enough.

Cantera

18-05-2010, 07:39 PM

You sound like a United supporter just before Ronaldo left them.

iDOL

18-05-2010, 07:47 PM

@Cantera, you have had your say now you may gladly leave, Fabregas going to Barca, good and well, until it is said and done so be it.

Go play with the chap and his sprinklers.

It doesn't matter, all that matters is that Barca is going to come and pay Arsenal money for Fabregas.

I don't much care if he goes or stays any which way.

As long as when he does go, Arsenal cash in on him.

Cantera

18-05-2010, 08:18 PM

Go play with the chap and his sprinklers.

:D

How much do you expect Barca to pay for Cesc?

GRBoy

18-05-2010, 08:23 PM

http://wrighty7.blogspot.com/2010/05/so-how-does-guillem-balague-know.html

Check the comments here GRBoy

Thanks, good article - some comments even better:)

nivek

18-05-2010, 08:29 PM

:D

How much do you expect Barca to pay for Cesc?

no less than what you paid for ibra!

GRBoy

18-05-2010, 08:38 PM

@Cantera, you have had your say now you may gladly leave.......

Go play with the chap and his sprinklers.

It must be very lonely on the Barca thread, shame no one to talk to. That's why he comes and wum here.

Randhir

18-05-2010, 10:05 PM

It must be very lonely on the Barca thread, shame no one to talk to. That's why he comes and wum here.

You have no idea.. Plus he never even sticks to his stories...

Randhir

18-05-2010, 10:59 PM

Cesc Fabregas Tells Arsene Wenger In 'Emotional' Face-To-Face Meeting He Wants To Quit Arsenal For Barcelona (http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2010/05/18/1931176/cesc-fabregas-tells-arsene-wenger-in-emotional-face-to-face)

Cesc Fabregas has told Arsene Wenger in a face-to-face meeting today that he wants to quit Arsenal and rejoin Barcelona, Goal.com UK can confirm.

In a showdown described only as "emotional", the midfielder delivered the bombshell to his mentor and the man to whom he feels he owes his career that, following some agonising soul-searching, he wants to leave the club that he joined as a 16-year-old.

It is understood that the talks between Wenger and Fabregas, who flew into the UK today from Spain for treatment on his injured knee, took place in London.

The Arsenal manager is believed to have taken the decision calmly and asked him to stay at Emirates Stadium for one more season, but the 23-year-old has set his heart on returning to his boyhood club this summer.

You see the source, so as usual, pinch of salt please.

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 12:06 AM

Looking over the twitter posts, the official arsenal twitter source strongly denies this as AW isn't in the UK at all. It is a follow up story to suggest that AW is in London to tie up the Chamakh deal - however, that is being handled by Ken Friar and Ivan Gazidis. We're told AW in is France for a end of season awards ceremony also included in AFCTV's online package in which AW will receive an award.

Other sources suggest Cesc is in Spain on rest and rehab for the WC - apparently this comes off his sister's myspace and twitter pages - although I think that anyone who goes to read a footballer's familie's social network are plain ol stalkers.

At the moment it is as 2007,2008 and 2009 - just rumours which are gathering pace. Some Arsenal fans are losing it, attacking Fabregas and attempting a protest at the Emirates Cup - all a waste of time if you ask me - Great players come and go and there will be more great players who will come after him.

They will not let him go without a fight, the right price and a replacement in hand.

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 12:18 AM

If its his will we won't stop him. Wenger never has. I will be sad if he leaves but no-one is bigger than the team. Its a club and not a 1 man show, people need to remember this, and this is why people must start questioning Wengers vision, just for the sake of the club... I am not saying its wrong, but it needs to be reviewed. Back to the topic, I personally think he will stay 1 more season and by then Wilshere Ramsey and Nasri will be good enough.

I agree with your comments about no player being more important than the team - and if he wants to leave, AW will not stop him. At this stage of his Arsenal career, I don't think he needs convincing. We cannot fault the lad, cos he has come out and tried his heart out for what has been average team at times.

I have no doubt that should he leave, whether this season or in 10 seasons time, we will have had a replacement ready or at least someone in mind. If we were to sell Cesc for say 40-50m GBP, then it would be good business and a step into the market for one of Nuri Sahin or even Yohann Goucouff, who is after a move, would be sensible replacements. I do feel Nasri can do it, but I fear it has maybe come a year too soon for him. The likes of Ozyukup and Wilshere, Merida (if he signs a new deal) could also fill that role in the future.

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 12:22 AM

Randhir, just a quick read through of this article, I found that this quote

"Rafael Yuste told the Catalonian radio station Ona FM that he remained confident that deals for Valencia's David Villa and Fabregas were both on: “Negotiations are progressing well, especially in the case of Villa.

"The situation with Cesc is different because even if you have the will of the player it is very important to talk to his club and, if you can, find an agreement. But what makes it easier is that both players want to come to Barca.”"

was shown on the major sports news stations as having come from Laporta himself. So, this is a bit odd.

50-50 at this point.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 12:33 AM

Randhir, just a quick read through of this article, I found that this quote

was shown on the major sports news stations as having come from Laporta himself. So, this is a bit odd.

50-50 at this point.

Look, I'm not saying I believe it, i don't tend to believe most of this rubbish unless it's from the clubs themselves, or a reputable, official source. As for the change in source attributed above, could just be (Assuming it were true), that the source was changed to Laporta for more name-recognition to get the story more oomph. But i agree with you that these stories seem unlikely.

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 01:14 AM

Look, I'm not saying I believe it, i don't tend to believe most of this rubbish unless it's from the clubs themselves, or a reputable, official source. As for the change in source attributed above, could just be (Assuming it were true), that the source was changed to Laporta for more name-recognition to get the story more oomph. But i agree with you that these stories seem unlikely.

no bud, not attacking you or anything, my quote thingy wasn't working right. Sorry for any confusion in the tone of my reply!

yep, these stories are generally aimed at selling newspapers and getting website hits.

BombThePeer

19-05-2010, 01:34 AM

Arsenal will never win the world cup!

iDOL

19-05-2010, 07:17 AM

As I said, no use in speculating any further - if and when he does leave - expect Barca to pay a hefty sum.

£ 500,000.00 is what Arsenal paid in compensation to Barca back then - so anything more than that is bonus, bonus.

Yes Arsenal is losing a world class player - not that they were going to do very much with him in the team anyways.

Whilst Arsene insists that players like Diaby, Denilson, Bendtner and their like are world class - players that are really world class like Cesc will continue to be frustrated.

This current team requires a massive overall - now is a good a time as any. With Cesc the current heart ripped out - he can go big and bring in the 5+ players that this team requires.

Knowing the way he goes about doing things, we know it won't happen. So we will wait out the remainder of the Arsene years.

Wenger is fulfilling his mandate admirably - considering his restrictions (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article7130226.ece)- Arsenal have remained somewhat competitive in both the Premier League and Champs League.

Considering that in the last year Arsenal cut their overall debt down by £ 100 million (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/26/arsenal-financial-figures)

Club cut net from £332.8m to £203.6m

I am not too concerned - once this painful period is over Arsenal will be better for it and so much stronger.

I mean other 6 trophy teams only made a profit of £ 7 million pounds in the period.

Whilst another heavily in debt, will be forced to cough up an additional £ 36 in interest due to their debts going above 5 times their income.

So as an Arsenal supporter - I am not happy about the state of the team and the attitude of the manager toward spending money on players - to achieve success(spending cash does not equal trophy), but I am realistic about things.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 07:46 AM

no less than what you paid for ibra!

Never going to happen. Paying a record fee for a player that we made as a youngster, not going to happen.

Reading all the comments, seems like you Arsenal boys have already given into the fact that Cesc wont be there next season.

dbecks

19-05-2010, 08:15 AM

Never going to happen. Paying a record fee for a player that we made as a youngster, not going to happen.

Reading all the comments, seems like you Arsenal boys have already given into the fact that Cesc wont be there next season.Says who?Based on what logic You guys paid over the odds for Ibra nuff said!

dbecks

19-05-2010, 08:17 AM

Never going to happen. Paying a record fee for a player that we made as a youngster, not going to happen.

Reading all the comments, seems like you Arsenal boys have already given into the fact that Cesc wont be there next season.Says who?Based on what? You guys paid over the odds for Ibra and that wasnt so "logical"

Cantera

19-05-2010, 08:36 AM

Says who?Based on what? You guys paid over the odds for Ibra and that wasnt so "logical"

From the start the Barca board has always had a stance of not paying crazy amounts of money for players that came through the Cantera. Why do you think we picked up Pique for so dirt cheap, Barca would have never paid buckets of cash for him.

He basically forced the transfer to go back to Barcelona.

Im more interested to see how the David Villa transfer turns out, Cesc isnt the biggest transfer for me.

Geez you guys hate Ibra. We paid exactly what Ibra was worth. Eto was valued at 20 million and thats what we sold him for.

Everybody makes such a big deal about Eto, why didnt your club buy him for 20 million when he was on the market? We all know how desperate United is for a striker to partner Rooney.

dbecks

19-05-2010, 08:41 AM

nivek

19-05-2010, 08:49 AM

Never going to happen. Paying a record fee for a player that we made as a youngster, not going to happen.

Reading all the comments, seems like you Arsenal boys have already given into the fact that Cesc wont be there next season.

And there you go again, insinuating that Cesc has learnt nothing in the past 8 years at Arsenal

Arsenal made Cesc into the player he is today, and for that, you will PAY :D

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 10:09 AM

From the start the Barca board has always had a stance of not paying crazy amounts of money for players that came through the Cantera. Why do you think we picked up Pique for so dirt cheap, Barca would have never paid buckets of cash for him.

He basically forced the transfer to go back to Barcelona.

Im more interested to see how the David Villa transfer turns out, Cesc isnt the biggest transfer for me.

Geez you guys hate Ibra. We paid exactly what Ibra was worth. Eto was valued at 20 million and thats what we sold him for.

Everybody makes such a big deal about Eto, why didnt your club buy him for 20 million when he was on the market? We all know how desperate United is for a striker to partner Rooney.

...

I heard it said yesterday that Barcelona aren't willing to do any deal
worth more than £30m (that would include player swap deals too) as
they feel Cesc was a Barcelona youth product so they shouldn't have to
pay any more. Here's the news, Barcelona, where Cesc played his youth
football is entirely irrelevant. He plays for Arsenal now and he's got
a contract with us. If you really, really want him, and if Arsenal are
prepared to sell him, you will have to pay what he's worth. At 23 he's
got a minimum of 7 or 8 seasons at the very top. Minimum. He is the
best young central midfield player in the world. If Man City are
reportedly willing to pay £24m for James Milner you'd want to be
doubling that, at least, if you want to buy Cesc Fabregas.

In this regard Arsenal hold a good hand and I'm sure we'll do our best
to hang on to him. I know, I know, when a player wants to leave and
all that, but that doesn't mean you have to crumble on the price. I'm
going with an if again - if Cesc wants to leave and if Barcelona
really want to sign him, they're going to have to pay the market
price. I know that, you know that, and that means Barcelona and Cesc
know that. Don't believe any stories which say Cesc has made demands
of Arsenal, he has too much respect for the club, for the fans and for
Arsene to do that.

If Barcelona think they can get him on the cheap because of his 'DNA'
then they're mistaken. If they don't come up with the readies then
Cesc will stay at Arsenal. I do like the way papers report 'all that's
left is to agree a fee' as if this were some mere trifle. It's not,
it's a ****ing huge part of it, and if Barcelona want to treat it as a
triviality they might find things don't go the way they want (and what
does it say to the player who they supposedly want so badly?).

great perspective by arseblogger this morning - keeping a bit of sanity amidst the madness - full article to the quote here: www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 10:18 AM

By the by,

The following is for Cantera and Barcelona - RE: Cesc

http://www.oddity.co.za/arsenesletter.jpg

Cantera

19-05-2010, 10:55 AM

Shame, seems like you guys are losing it because you might lose your best player.

I think we all missing one important aspect here and that is what Cesc wants.

Cesc will force the move to Barcelona, when that happens, there is very little anybody can do.

iDOL

19-05-2010, 11:10 AM

@Cantera - Arsenal and their supporters have largely known all along that Cesc will leave Arsenal - most have accepted it now already.

Cesc can force the move all he wants, but in the end Barca will pay and he will go .

Nothing to it. But stump up the cash Barca will, he still has 4 years on his contract, so no way of him buying out his contract.

So the fun is watching Barca stumping up the cash and paying to have one of their own come back home.

The nice thing about Barca is the politics of it all - you see Barca is having another presidential election again - so the longer the saga drags out, the better for Arsenal - in the end the candidates will promise to deliver Cesc if he is not there yet.

So to fulfill that mandate - they will have to pay - whatever it takes.

Overmars + extra got £ 20mil
Petit £20mil
Henry - £ 16 mil
Hleb - £ 15 mil

So pay for Cesc they will. Apparently Barca are trying to farm off Henry to some MLS side - so that they can get him off their wage bill.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 11:17 AM

Im sure Barca will pay but if you expecting 60 or 70 million you must be smoking some good tea bags.

Laporta is behind the Cesc move. He wants to bring Villa and Cesc to the club before he leaves.

iDOL

19-05-2010, 11:25 AM

yeah, Auntie Joan thinks he can leave in a blaze of glory, unfortunately that may count against him as well - pride will make certain either him or 1 of the 2 candidates for the top job will sign over the £ 50mil + fee for Fabregas.

But as I said, with 4 years on contract - Cesc is going nowhere - without them paying top dollar for his services if they want.

Arsenal will even start an auction if that is what he wants - I am certain there's a 2 clubs that will definitely pay a great deal for his services - there's no lacking in suitors and I am certain Barca in blood he may be, but Madrid can certainly sell their vision to him of a world class team of Ka@ka, Ronaldo and who ever else they desire. So Barca will get their wishes, but at a great cost - he aint coming cheaply.

Sky also reporting that Arsenal have indicated no formal offer has been received for Fabregas and they are not soliciting any offers for his services

In the end Barca is only helping Arsenal - look at it this way - Arsenal take a short term knock in the form of having to find another Midfield general(Nasri - time to stand up or Arshavin being able to play from midfield as opposed to the wing), but taking whatever amount Barca pays and using it to pay-off their debt - gets them ever so closer to getting rid of the only thing holding them back at the moment.

Looking at the wage bill - it appears Arsenal can compete in terms of paying players what they want(get rid of all the don't deserve average players earning a decent wage) - once the stadium debt is paid they can afford to go big - £ 50 mil now for Cesc brings that ability so much closer.

Next season Arshavin will go (if not sooner).

a little bit from Myles Palmer (http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/index.php?mact=News%2Ccntnt01%2Cdetail%2C0&cntnt01articleid=1597&cntnt01returnid=42&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ArsenalNewsReview+%28ANR%3A+A rsenal+News+Review%29):

"My view? Go with our blessing. You've been a phenomenal player for Arsenal and you don't owe them a thing. And Wenger will get a mega transfer fee for you.

My advice to Gooners? Be realistic : foreign players will always leave Arsenal. Always, always, always. If you have a French manager who doesn't trust British players, your best players will leave.

My final message to Cesc is short and simple : Well done. Thank you. Good luck

mmmig

19-05-2010, 11:55 AM

If Fabregas does go and think the best possible deal for Arsenal is 30 million + Yaya Toure. The board will take take 10 million of that 30. 20 million that is enough for 2 good signings from Wenger.

nivek

19-05-2010, 11:57 AM

Thats not enough for the worlds best young midfielder

fishfly

19-05-2010, 12:09 PM

Im sure Barca will pay but if you expecting 60 or 70 million you must be smoking some good tea bags.

Laporta is behind the Cesc move. He wants to bring Villa and Cesc to the club before he leaves.

I think Cesc is worht around 45 mill

Randhir

19-05-2010, 12:35 PM

no bud, not attacking you or anything, my quote thingy wasn't working right. Sorry for any confusion in the tone of my reply!

Haha, I didn't think you were attacking me? I even agreed with you at the end of my statement.

Arsenal will never win the world cup!

I disagree! :D

mmmig

19-05-2010, 12:37 PM

They not has of yet made an offer for Cesc instead the Barca president is being passive aggressive by releasing a statement on their website.

iDOL

19-05-2010, 12:38 PM

I think Cesc is worht around 45 mill

I mean they are paying that amount for a 28yo headin on 29 player - so for the priviledge of having Cesc it will cost them £ 50mil easy

Cantera

19-05-2010, 01:21 PM

If Fabregas does go and think the best possible deal for Arsenal is 30 million + Yaya Toure. The board will take take 10 million of that 30. 20 million that is enough for 2 good signings from Wenger.

I agree!

Cantera

19-05-2010, 01:23 PM

I mean they are paying that amount for a 28yo headin on 29 player - so for the priviledge of having Cesc it will cost them £ 50mil easy

Cesc doesnt really offer Barca anything different.

We have many Cescs.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 01:29 PM

Cesc doesnt really offer Barca anything different.

We have many Cescs.

Hahaha... That's why Barca are chasing him like a dog chasing a bone... Because barca has many Cescs.. Ahahahaha...

:D :D

Cantera

19-05-2010, 01:29 PM

Hahaha... That's why Barca are chasing him like a dog chasing a bone... Because barca has many Cescs.. Ahahahaha...

:D :D

If only you knew.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 01:30 PM

If only you knew.

See? Again with the nonsense where you add nothing. If only I knew what? Go on.. Tell me.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 01:40 PM

See? Again with the nonsense where you add nothing. If only I knew what? Go on.. Tell me.

There are other reasons why Barca as a club is chasing Cesc so badly.

Politics.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 01:54 PM

There are other reasons why Barca as a club is chasing Cesc so badly.

Politics.

You say 'other' reasons. So what are the main ones? It can't be his football skills, because apparently you guys have many Cescs. Lol.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 02:00 PM

Fact

Iniesta and Xavi are better than Cesc.

He will warm the bench at Barca, maybe replace Busquets.

As i said, we dont need Cesc. We dont have a problem in midfield.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 02:18 PM

Fact

Iniesta and Xavi are better than Cesc.

He will warm the bench at Barca, maybe replace Busquets.

As i said, we dont need Cesc. We dont have a problem in midfield.

You still haven't answered my question. Not that I'm surprised.

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 02:34 PM

I think we all missing one important aspect here and that is what Cesc wants.

Cesc will force the move to Barcelona, when that happens, there is very little anybody can do.

You might be, but Cesc Fabregas is not a c*nt.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 02:36 PM

Cesc, Xavi Iniesta supporting Messi, Ibra, Villa.

WOW

:D

Randhir

19-05-2010, 02:38 PM

You might be, but Cesc Fabregas is not a c*nt.

Phil Brown might disagree :D

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 02:41 PM

With all the fuss surrounding rumours, I thought we could step back into reality - apart from defense, and the obvious one coming in who is Chamakh, a goalkeeper is still the one player I think we MUST add this close season.

A lot has been said over the last few days and weeks about our weakness between the sticks - what will you make of it should AW still stick with Almunia and Fabianski into the new season.

My thoughts are that it is possible that both will still be at Arsenal come August, but I have a feeling that Fabianski will be given the nod ahead of Almunia. AW still rates Fabianski as 'world class' and no matter what we think, he is the man who signs the players and picks the team.

Another player who we need to decide on quickly is Jack Wilshere. Will he be farmed out again? or has anyone seen enough of him on loan at Bolton to suggest that he maybe ready for a place in the full team?

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 02:42 PM

Phil Brown might disagree :D

but that is one giant orange goatee wearing 'cee you en tee' who's opinion doesn't count.

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 02:51 PM

There are other reasons why Barca as a club is chasing Cesc so badly.

Politics.

I can't help but agree with Genius here. There is definitely something else at work here - and a main player for me would be Red & White Holdings i.e. Uzbek Ulisher Usmanov and David Dein. Although Dein is no longer the face of Red & White, he is a major opposition to the current board and owners at Arsenal. He and Hill-Wood don't see eye to eye for some time now - not least down to when Hill-Wood kicked Dein off the Arsenal board 4-5 years ago.

He has been orchestrating a foreign takeover ever since. This affects the Cesc deal how, you might ask. David Dein's son Darren Dein is Cesc's agent - and for years now, Dein has been getting his tabloids to get on the Arsenal board's back about why money isn't spent on big players. Dein is all for foreign investment. Why? It makes him wealthier. and b) he one day wants nothing more than to be Arsenal CEO and Chairman.

Ps: Darren Dein was also Thierry Henry's agent - and Dein also represents several other high profile players in Spain - not sure whoelse at Barca tho. He now acts as Hleb's agent as well.

Just a bit of conspiracy theory for your wacky wednesday.

nivek

19-05-2010, 02:52 PM

Another player who we need to decide on quickly is Jack Wilshere. Will he be farmed out again? or has anyone seen enough of him on loan at Bolton to suggest that he maybe ready for a place in the full team?

Owen Coyle is in love with the kid, whether he comes back this season or not probably depends on Ramseys recovery, watched a few Bolton games and he did well

We also have Henri Lansbury back, and he definately looks like hes part of Arsenes plan for the coming season

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 03:03 PM

We also have Henri Lansbury back, and he definately looks like hes part of Arsenes plan for the coming season

Lansbury is a decent player - I wonder how he'd do in the premier league and high pressure games in the UCL.

would suck if we don't bring in a new keeper tho. i would k@k a brick if we start the season with Fabianski as numero uno.

nivek

19-05-2010, 03:13 PM

would suck if we don't bring in a new keeper tho. i would k@k a brick if we start the season with Fabianski as numero uno.

Wenger will sign, have faith :D

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 03:18 PM

Wenger will sign, have faith :D

would you believe me if I told you, I will have as much faith as Eboue has dived this season?

i.e. quite a bit

iDOL

19-05-2010, 03:25 PM

Lansbury is a decent player - I wonder how he'd do in the premier league and high pressure games in the UCL.

would suck if we don't bring in a new keeper tho. i would k@k a brick if we start the season with Fabianski as numero uno.

Lansbury is alright an all, but he hardly set the championship alight - he played quite regularly for Watford, but hardly made the type of impact - Larson+Muamba+Bendtner had at Birmingham.

I would prefer Wilshere to spend another season at Bolton - it would be really great for his game, especially if Cesc leaves - suddenly he may be the new emotional heir to the mantle of Cesc - too much pressure too soon.

Only way forward is to buy now - not enough resources in the team - Wenger will be forced to get 3-4 new faces(which includes a new GK).

Randhir

19-05-2010, 03:53 PM

I can't help but agree with Genius here. There is definitely something else at work here - and a main player for me would be Red & White Holdings i.e. Uzbek Ulisher Usmanov and David Dein. Although Dein is no longer the face of Red & White, he is a major opposition to the current board and owners at Arsenal. He and Hill-Wood don't see eye to eye for some time now - not least down to when Hill-Wood kicked Dein off the Arsenal board 4-5 years ago.

He has been orchestrating a foreign takeover ever since. This affects the Cesc deal how, you might ask. David Dein's son Darren Dein is Cesc's agent - and for years now, Dein has been getting his tabloids to get on the Arsenal board's back about why money isn't spent on big players. Dein is all for foreign investment. Why? It makes him wealthier. and b) he one day wants nothing more than to be Arsenal CEO and Chairman.

Ps: Darren Dein was also Thierry Henry's agent - and Dein also represents several other high profile players in Spain - not sure whoelse at Barca tho. He now acts as Hleb's agent as well.

Just a bit of conspiracy theory for your wacky wednesday.

You're answering from a Arsenal point of view, while I was asking from a Barcelona point of view. Genius claims that Barca has tones of players exactly like Cesc, but that there are other reasons, I wanted to know what other reasons (aside from politics) there were. And he still hasn't answered, which is typical.

nivek

19-05-2010, 04:11 PM

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2559/rumours/2010/05/19/1932221/arsenal-refuse-to-drop-40-million-price-for-barcelona-target

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 04:12 PM

You're answering from a Arsenal point of view, while I was asking from a Barcelona point of view. Genius claims that Barca has tones of players exactly like Cesc

for sure, I was being pro-Arsenal about it and taking Genius's comments as isolated. But yes, your point was taken. I just wanted to add to what I agreed (shock!) with him on.

poffle

19-05-2010, 04:38 PM

If Cesc does leaves i hope he sits on the bench for the next 2 years just to show what a stupid move he made.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 04:55 PM

You guys are really cut up about this hey.

Serves you right for poaching him in the first place.

@ Randhir - i have stopped trying to explain things to you a long time already. Whatever i say will just be answered with mindless comments and trolling.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 05:07 PM

@ Randhir - i have stopped trying to explain things to you a long time already. Whatever i say will just be answered with mindless comments and trolling.

No, go back and read again. You argue until you don't have a point, then you say "I can't explain to you". Which makes you the troll.

In fact, you tried to answer my question with something that wasn't even relevant, but I called you on it, which is when you stopped answering. Very typical of you.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 05:16 PM

No, go back and read again. You argue until you don't have a point, then you say "I can't explain to you". Which makes you the troll.

In fact, you tried to answer my question with something that wasn't even relevant, but I called you on it, which is when you stopped answering. Very typical of you.

Typical repsonse from you and exactly why i dont get into debates with you anymore.

Ok, this is the point where you go on like a little kid because i never answered your little question.

http://i28.tinypic.com/jl0w46.jpg

Need one?

phiber

19-05-2010, 05:16 PM

Cantera, you have officially spoilt OUR thread with your drivel.

Can't call it poaching when someone wants to leave and contracts get bought, or players leave on Bosman... Barca should have offered him what he wanted, but they couldn't... Arsene could... simple. Now the shoe might be on the other foot, and if Cesc thinks he will be happier at Barca, then so be it.

If he does leave, Wenger will have to pull out something special to win a trophy though. 2 or 3 players are going to have to step it up, and we will need a couple of Awesome signings in Defence/Goals.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 05:19 PM

All i am saying is, dont cry if Cesc forces this move and you dont get the buckets of cash for the deal.

He is a Barca boy, made by us and wants to come home.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 05:20 PM

Typical repsonse from you and exactly why i dont get into debates with you anymore.

Ok, this is the point where you go on like a little kid because i never answered your little question.

http://i28.tinypic.com/jl0w46.jpg

Need one?

No, you don't get into debates (well, you do until you can't finish it), because you're immature. And don't try to detract from the fact that you have no answer to my question. you just pretend you do, and no one else will understand. :rolleyes:

@phiber - I agree. They can't look at it likes because he was brought up there he is their property.

Cantera

19-05-2010, 05:23 PM

No, you don't get into debates (well, you do until you can't finish it), because you're immature. And don't try to detract from the fact that you have no answer to my question. you just pretend you do, and no one else will understand. :rolleyes:

@phiber - I agree. They can't look at it likes because he was brought up there he is their property.

Tissue?

Seems like you want to cry.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 05:30 PM

Tissue?

Seems like you want to cry.

Yeah, thanks. I'm crying over Cesc Fabregas. What a knob :D

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 07:56 PM

All i am saying is, dont cry if Cesc forces this move and you dont get the buckets of cash for the deal.

He is a Barca boy, made by us and wants to come home.

correction, he is an Arsenal boy - made by God and home is where you make it. Fabregas's talent was solely down to him being blessed with vision and ability to read the game, something no coach or club on earth can give players. Since you are the type of football 'fan' who only re-hashes stories read in the media (like espn and sky), and then make your own invalid assumptions, this is a pointless post.

You clutch at straws, and fathom the most extreme amount of media talk and turn it into your kind of facts. Here's news for you: Cesc 4.5 years left on his Arsenal contract - He is the captain of the club and 2nd longest serving player - will it hurt this team's development if he goes? Certainly. Is it the end of the world? Certainly not. Our club has watched the likes of Chippy Brady, Ian Wright, Patrick Vieira, Manu Petit, Marc Overmars and Thierry Henry leave - and countless other greats who have retired, and we always come out of it and life goes on.

Make no mistake, Arsenal hold the major cards in any potential deal - and they are in no rush to sell - and from what is apparent, Cesc is in no rush to leave this summer - also, Barca have started to cool now, saying they don't really need Fabregas at the moment etc. General consensus is that having spent 40m euro on Villa, there isn't money to fund a move for Fabregas this summer should Arsenal hold firm - and from Hill-Wood's comments, it seems as though Arsenal's stance is straight forward: we don't name a price, as we don't want to sell, nor do we need to. End of story.

If Cesc 'forces a move' as you put it, something I very much doubt - something no player at Arsenal has done since Nic Anelka in 1999 - then Arsenal are entitled to every cent they ask for, due to the contract Cesc is under. So, your comment is reversed: don't come crying if you get Cesc and you cough up what he is actually worth to this football club. As far as individual fans go, I think supporters will be gutted, but will wish Cesc well if he chooses to go, and we will trust that the manager and his board do the best deal for Arsenal. Cos that is what this is about. It is not about Cesc or Barca, but what is best for Arsenal, who hold the cards.

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 08:01 PM

Just a report on the above:

[
Txiki: Barca are not in dire need of Fabregas

Cesc Fabregas rumours are completely wrong

Contrary to baseless reports currently making the rounds that Arsenal' captain Francesc Fabregas is (remember he only said he might not will) set to return to his boyhood club (Barcelona), where he played in the youth ranks before joining the Gunners back in 2003.

The club in question has issued an official statement via its Sporting Director Txiki Begiristain, who stated in unequivocal terms that, as long as, the coveted star remains a Gunner, they will continue to respect his agreement with the North London outfit.

Begiristain today told the club's official website: "It's great news that he wants to come here and I think that one day Cesc will have to come to Barca. But what matters is Arsenal and what their decision is."

He added: "They think he is a very important player for them.

"We have to respect that.

"At times the wishes of players do not come true because they are under contract.

"That he says that he wants to come to Barca is a synonym that things are being done well here.

"I don't know when but I have the impression that he is a Barca (style) player and that he will enjoy it very much.

"I wish it was as soon as possible. But we have to respect Arsenal's wishes and the contract he has."

The 23-year-old is under contract at Arsenal until June 2014, so it is only reasonable to conclude that Arsenal and Arsenal alone can/will decide the future of their employee period!!!

Source: http://9jagunners.blogspot.com/2010/05/txiki-barca-are-not-in-dire-need-of.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/faHA+(The+Online+Emirates)

nivek

19-05-2010, 09:01 PM

Arsenal statement on the matter:
http://www.arsenalinsider.com/images/stories/arse.fab.jpg

sh4rpz

19-05-2010, 09:07 PM

The 'Beveren' line was especially funny.

Randhir

19-05-2010, 11:26 PM

Haha, I bet you're hoping Barca need a goalie now..

Cantera

19-05-2010, 11:30 PM

correction, he is an Arsenal boy - made by God and home is where you make it. Fabregas's talent was solely down to him being blessed with vision and ability to read the game, something no coach or club on earth can give players. Since you are the type of football 'fan' who only re-hashes stories read in the media (like espn and sky), and then make your own invalid assumptions, this is a pointless post.

You clutch at straws, and fathom the most extreme amount of media talk and turn it into your kind of facts. Here's news for you: Cesc 4.5 years left on his Arsenal contract - He is the captain of the club and 2nd longest serving player - will it hurt this team's development if he goes? Certainly. Is it the end of the world? Certainly not. Our club has watched the likes of Chippy Brady, Ian Wright, Patrick Vieira, Manu Petit, Marc Overmars and Thierry Henry leave - and countless other greats who have retired, and we always come out of it and life goes on.

Make no mistake, Arsenal hold the major cards in any potential deal - and they are in no rush to sell - and from what is apparent, Cesc is in no rush to leave this summer - also, Barca have started to cool now, saying they don't really need Fabregas at the moment etc. General consensus is that having spent 40m euro on Villa, there isn't money to fund a move for Fabregas this summer should Arsenal hold firm - and from Hill-Wood's comments, it seems as though Arsenal's stance is straight forward: we don't name a price, as we don't want to sell, nor do we need to. End of story.

If Cesc 'forces a move' as you put it, something I very much doubt - something no player at Arsenal has done since Nic Anelka in 1999 - then Arsenal are entitled to every cent they ask for, due to the contract Cesc is under. So, your comment is reversed: don't come crying if you get Cesc and you cough up what he is actually worth to this football club. As far as individual fans go, I think supporters will be gutted, but will wish Cesc well if he chooses to go, and we will trust that the manager and his board do the best deal for Arsenal. Cos that is what this is about. It is not about Cesc or Barca, but what is best for Arsenal, who hold the cards.

See this is where you fail completely. Barcelona made Cesc, dont be mistaken about that.

Cesc grew up and lived in the Camp Nou. He LITERALLY LIVED there. The coaching at the La Masia is the best in the world. They are taught a certain style, a certain way of controlling the game and a certain technique on the ball. All the Cantera have it and dont for one second think that Wenger made him develop this ability.

You can see it in Bojan, Pedro, Jeffren - it is part of the HISTORY of the Barcelona football club.

Dont be fooled into thinking that Arsenal was the one who taught Cesc how to play this way. Arsene has done well to give Cesc experience and to coach him in becoming a better player, but make no mistake, this is a Barca boy. His roots are from Barca.

Something you might not have known is that Cesc was disliked in Barca when he forced the move to Arsenal. He was impatient, but as time went by the supporters started to forgive him. Cesc grew up worshipping Pep, he had a poster of Pep in his room in La Masia, thats why he plays with the number 4 on his back - Pep's old number.

He grew up with Messi, Pique, Iniesta etc. Only difference in his career was that he was impatient. He was taught the exact same way the rest of the Cantera was taught and you have to be as blind as a bat if you cannot see the Barcelona DNA in him.

As a Barcelona supporter, we are not worried about the Cesc move, we know he will come one day. It would seem that day might come very soon.

You say Cesc is in no rush to leave, then why did Sky Sports report that he had an emotional chat with AW telling him he wants to leave Arsenal? Is Sky Sports lying to us? Are they not a reputable source?

That doesnt sound like a player that wants to stay at the club, why hasnt Cesc come out and said that his heart is at Arsenal and he wants to honour his contract? He did it the last time, why isnt he doing it now?

It would seem that your main focus is about the price, we dont really care. Barcelona can afford Cesc, they are in an EXTREMELY healthy financial state.

If Cesc does go, dont cry - it serves you right to poach from our youth academy. We all knew this day would come.

iDOL

19-05-2010, 11:58 PM

It would seem that your main focus is about the price, we dont really care. Barcelona can afford Cesc, they are in an EXTREMELY healthy financial state.

Now just pay the darn 80 mil and shut everyone else up.

easy

Cantera

20-05-2010, 12:45 AM

Now just pay the darn 80 mil and shut everyone else up.

easy

LoL @ 80 million.

I think 35 million + Yaya is a fair deal.

Who knows what the final price will be, maybe it will be 45 million. Who knows if it will even be this season? Looking foward to seeing Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc and Villa play in the World Cup.

Would be interesting to see Cesc's interviews on the matter as well.

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 01:57 AM

See this is where you fail completely. Barcelona made Cesc, dont be mistaken about that.

Cesc grew up and lived in the Camp Nou. He LITERALLY LIVED there. The coaching at the La Masia is the best in the world. They are taught a certain style, a certain way of controlling the game and a certain technique on the ball. All the Cantera have it and dont for one second think that Wenger made him develop this ability.

That's where I stopped reading.

iDOL

20-05-2010, 07:24 AM

now more like my kind of reporting : Cesc Fabregas price war: Livid Arsenal hit back at Barcelona by pushing fee to £80m

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1279797/Cesc-Fabregas-price-war-Livid-Arsenal-hit-Barcelona-pushing-fee-80m.html#ixzz0oRbn1REN

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 09:21 AM

mmmig

20-05-2010, 09:25 AM

Bring Bojan on a year loan to Arsenal

iDOL

20-05-2010, 09:31 AM

yeah I read that 80m thing last night. Ludicrous amount of money for anyone, if you ask me.

But then we won't mind, I saw 2 more headlines indicating Barca using rafa Marquez and Chyhrynski to sweeten the deal,

So until the speculation ends, I really enjoy this time of the season.

I especially like it, if my favoured team is getting cash

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 09:41 AM

But then we won't mind, I saw 2 more headlines indicating Barca using rafa Marquez and Chyhrynski to sweeten the deal,

So until the speculation ends, I really enjoy this time of the season.

I especially like it, if my favoured team is getting cash

Cash is one thing - will we ever f-ing use any of it to strengthen this team is the question! heh

mmmig

20-05-2010, 09:44 AM

Cash is one thing - will we ever f-ing use any of it to strengthen this team is the question! heh
One of the mandates given to Wenger by the board was to make more money in the transfer market then spends.

Cantera

20-05-2010, 10:17 AM

That's where I stopped reading.

You would have to be as blind as a bat not to see how Barcelona developed Cesc Fabregas. Look at Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Pique, Puyol, Pedro, Bojan, Geffren, Gai, Dos Santos - all have the same technique, all have the same style, all have the same control of the football etc.

Maybe Cesc developed this in the EPL. LoL

Cesc was already one of the best youngsters in the world when Wenger poached him.

Bring Bojan on a year loan to Arsenal

A loan maybe, a permanent move?

Never!

fishfly

20-05-2010, 10:42 AM

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 11:48 AM

You would have to be as blind as a bat not to see how Barcelona developed Cesc Fabregas. Look at Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Pique, Puyol, Pedro, Bojan, Geffren, Gai, Dos Santos - all have the same technique, all have the same style, all have the same control of the football etc.

Maybe Cesc developed this in the EPL. LoL

Cesc was already one of the best youngsters in the world when Wenger poached him.

Arsenal did to Barca exactly what Barca have been doing to clubs in Mexico, Argentina and Brazil for years. If you look over Cesc's biography, you would see that Arsenal offered him the chance to play almost immediately. Something he probably would not have done for another 3 seasons at best had he stayed at Barca.

It was eventually Cesc's choice to come to Arsenal.

I disagree with you on the comment that Barcelona were solely responsible for the player that Cesc has become. Sure there are things that he would have learned and developed over his own potential at Barca, but he has been at Arsenal 7 years now, and to imagine he hasn't become world class because of the work of Boro Primorac, Liam Brady, Don Howe and Arsene Wenger and the EPL, then you are more naive then I know you are.

Take the Barca blinkers off for once in your life and you will see things at a more rational, conservative level.

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 11:52 AM

I don't think we would be interested in any of Barca's players at the moment - especially not the 'also rans'. Bojan is a good player - but I can't see him being any less lightweight as Carlos Vela is in the Premier League. Plus, I think with Chamakh coming in, I fear we might be taking on a bit too many up top as I don't think AW will part with any strikers this summer - I feel he rates Eduardo still, as well as Vela.

In midfield, Yaya would be ok, but he is not a Cesc type player, he is more in the Diaby, Denilson, Song category. If we lost Cesc, we'd need to replace him with someone who could play in his role straight away - either buy or from within the squad, but that's getting ahead of ourselves. Also, I don't think we will go for Toure as his wages are reportedly higher than Cesc's at Arsenal so far.

2 Defenders and a Goalkeeper please!

Cantera

20-05-2010, 11:56 AM

Arsenal did to Barca exactly what Barca have been doing to clubs in Mexico, Argentina and Brazil for years. If you look over Cesc's biography, you would see that Arsenal offered him the chance to play almost immediately. Something he probably would not have done for another 3 seasons at best had he stayed at Barca.

It was eventually Cesc's choice to come to Arsenal.

I disagree with you on the comment that Barcelona were solely responsible for the player that Cesc has become. Sure there are things that he would have learned and developed over his own potential at Barca, but he has been at Arsenal 7 years now, and to imagine he hasn't become world class because of the work of Boro Primorac, Liam Brady, Don Howe and Arsene Wenger and the EPL, then you are more naive then I know you are.

Take the Barca blinkers off for once in your life and you will see things at a more rational, conservative level.

I do believe that Arsenal had a major hand in improving Cesc, i am not as blind as i think you are. The point is Barcelona developed Cesc into one of the best young players in the world. Then Wenger came and poached him.

Here is a question for you.

If Cesc was at the Arsenal youth academy do you think he would have developed into the player he is today?

One thing is for sure, if he stayed at Barcelona - he would emulate all the other Cantera we see today in the Barcelona team.

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 12:20 PM

I do believe that Arsenal had a major hand in improving Cesc, i am not as blind as i think you are. The point is Barcelona developed Cesc into one of the best young players in the world. Then Wenger came and poached him.

Here is a question for you.

If Cesc was at the Arsenal youth academy do you think he would have developed into the player he is today?

One thing is for sure, if he stayed at Barcelona - he would emulate all the other Cantera we see today in the Barcelona team.

I've posted on many forums, and seen some dumb arguments in my time, but you take the cake.

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 12:21 PM

anyhow, retards aside - nice post again by the Arseblogger this morning outlining why the Catalans won't have their own way, along with other stuff too, including a fun read about how La Liga is turning into an expensive version of the SPL:

www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog

check it out for a good read

Cantera

20-05-2010, 12:22 PM

Nice, lets start throwing more insults.

You still have not answered my question.

If Cesc was at the Arsenal youth academy do you think he would have developed into the player he is today?

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 12:28 PM

Nice, lets start throwing more insults.

You still have not answered my question.

If Cesc was at the Arsenal youth academy do you think he would have developed into the player he is today?

Yes.

edit: and it would be the same answer had he joined any other youth team in the world. Why? Because of his undoubted potential at the time.

Barca don't take any kid and turn him into a world class player - that is just stupid to even dream about. They choose the talented ones. The most talented ones. Cesc's family members/coaches or first football contacts as a kid would have recognised his talent well before he joined Barca.

Natural raw ability, hunger to win, attitude you can't teach a person/footballer. Those are natural.

And I was not insulting you - you do a good job of making yourself look foolish on your own.

Cantera

20-05-2010, 12:30 PM

Yes.

You must be the only one in the world who thinks so.

So tell me then, where are your other youth products that Arsenal have developed?

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 12:33 PM

You must be the only one in the world who thinks so.

So tell me then, where are your other youth products that Arsenal have developed?

see, once again you start to believe your own bs. What planet do you live on?

In your world, only Barca can do this and that. The Barca academy does not churn out world class 13 year olds on a daily basis. In your world maybe, but your weakness is: This is earth.

Cantera

20-05-2010, 12:39 PM

see, once again you start to believe your own bs. What planet do you live on?

In your world, only Barca can do this and that. The Barca academy does not churn out world class 13 year olds on a daily basis. In your world maybe, but your weakness is: This is earth.

FFS the evidence is right in front of you!

Barcelona have produced players like Cesc for a long time. It is NO surprise Cesc is playing the way he is, we freakin DEVELOPED him, he stayed in our facilties, our coaches taught him the fundamentals of the game. Arsenal poached him and gave him experience, experience he would have gained at Barca if he was patient anyway.

Who the hell did Arsenal produce?

Are you flippen for real to try and debate this?

Randhir

20-05-2010, 01:27 PM

FFS the evidence is right in front of you!

Barcelona have produced players like Cesc for a long time. It is NO surprise Cesc is playing the way he is, we freakin DEVELOPED him, he stayed in our facilties, our coaches taught him the fundamentals of the game. Arsenal poached him and gave him experience, experience he would have gained at Barca if he was patient anyway.

Who the hell did Arsenal produce?

Are you flippen for real to try and debate this?

Then if Barca does this with such regularity, why do they want Cesc in particular so badly? And don't give me that politics only nonsense.

Cantera

20-05-2010, 01:31 PM

Then if Barca does this with such regularity, why do they want Cesc in particular so badly? And don't give me that politics only nonsense.

I have attempted countless times to have a civil debate with you but it is impossible.

Randhir

20-05-2010, 01:35 PM

I have attempted countless times to have a civil debate with you but it is impossible.

How about this then - answer the question once.

Cantera

20-05-2010, 01:38 PM

How about this then - answer the question once.

How many times have we gone through this?

I gave up on you a very long time ago. You are the only person on this board that turns a healthy debate into an insult slugging war on an everyday basis.

Randhir

20-05-2010, 01:41 PM

How many times have we gone through this?

I gave up on you a very long time ago. You are the only person on this board that turns a healthy debate into an insult slugging war on an everyday basis.

Still no answer. Typical. And let's not pretend that I'm the only person on the forum that you insult.

Cantera

20-05-2010, 01:42 PM

Still no answer. Typical. And let's not pretend that I'm the only person on the forum that you insult.

Always the same response from you.

Every other person the forum i can have a decent debate with, hell even most of the United okes i can have a good banter with but YOU!

You are a special case, its like you come on the forum to target Barcelona and anything to do with the club.

Pathetic!

Randhir

20-05-2010, 02:06 PM

Always the same response from you.

Every other person the forum i can have a decent debate with, hell even most of the United okes i can have a good banter with but YOU!

You are a special case, its like you come on the forum to target Barcelona and anything to do with the club.

Pathetic!

I haven't targeted barcelona once. Your problem is you think you have a special mandate from Pep to squash out any criticism toward Barca.

Still no answer... Not even once... :rolleyes: Typical Genius.

nivek

20-05-2010, 02:16 PM

Then if Barca does this with such regularity, why do they want Cesc in particular so badly? And don't give me that politics only nonsense.

Cause they using him in a pawn in their election campaigns, no one at Barca actually cares about Cesc...cxnts

phiber

20-05-2010, 02:17 PM

Every other person the forum i can have a decent debate with, hell even most of the United okes i can have a good banter with but YOU!

Disagree with you here Cantera... You seem to always attack people with a view other than yours, be it over Barca or any other transfer matter.

fishfly

20-05-2010, 03:19 PM

Disagree with you here Cantera... You seem to always attack people with a view other than yours, be it over Barca or any other transfer matter.

His most famous ones are anything to do with Barca then anything to to with La Liga > * nothing else

Cantera

20-05-2010, 04:29 PM

rrrrrright

Randhir

20-05-2010, 04:42 PM

rrrrrright

Wow. Good point.

Report: Arsenal Winger Theo Walcott On Juventus Transfer Hit-List (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2010/05/20/1933842/report-arsenal-winger-theo-walcott-on-juventus-transfer-hit)

Juventus have added Arsenal forward Theo Walcott to a list of potential summer recruits, according to a report from La Stampa.

The England international has been mentioned as one of a trio of players the Old Lady are looking to sign in order to boost an ageing attack, especially out wide.

Sampdoria striker Giampaolo Pazzini looks set to be a prime target, whilst Milos Krasic from CSKA Moscow and David Silva of Valencia are also mentioned in the report as possible additions in the wide areas, along with Walcott.

Juve's new coach, Luigi Del Neri, is aware that the club need to freshen up their options in attack, but has warned supporters that the Italian giants may need to sell before they can buy.

“We need to restructure the front and the wings, but first we must try and sell,” he said.

Usual goal.com disclaimer applies. :)

Cantera

20-05-2010, 04:45 PM

Funny how everybody rags Goal.com but why the hell do you post it then?

Cantera

20-05-2010, 04:51 PM

Yes. From your fanboy comments here, I did expect that. When I hear "greatest ever" and "legend" and and and... should i not expect anything less?

Ahem. Lets look back a few days...

He couldn't even make a fool out of the back 3 and a make shift defender (Song) playing in the back. I'm shaking.

LoL

Change your view on Messi yet?

nivek

20-05-2010, 04:58 PM

Yea, so he made a fool of Silvestre, Benni M could do that

Randhir

20-05-2010, 04:59 PM

Funny how everybody rags Goal.com but why the hell do you post it then?

Why not? You've posted from goal.com many times, do you think that they're an accurate source?

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 09:54 PM

How about this then - answer the question once.

he can't. He answers questions with more dumb questions. You guys were so right about this oke.

I'll stop now, else he will be crying himself to sleep on his c*ck-shaped pillow, trying to convince only himself.

sh4rpz

20-05-2010, 09:59 PM

Yea, so he made a fool of Silvestre, Benni M could do that

Lame but, we've had worse in here (viz uknowwho): Silvestre on being called a 'geriatric' by Arsenal fans: 'But Arsene, my name isn't Jerry, and I've never scored a Hat-trick!'

could not resist.

Tarantula

20-05-2010, 11:53 PM

I wish Cantera would just f**k off outta the Arsenal thread. He just spams the thread with mindless bull***** slinging insults all over the place, regurgitating the same ***** we've heard over and over again and essentially contributing f all to the discussion that is meant to be about Arsenal football club.

Dude, seriously, reading this thread I literally have to wade through all your crap to spot some decent chatter about Arsenal. Stop it.

Anywho, back to Arsenal. Cesc going will be a serious blow, but it is not the end of the world. We'll get a nice chunk of change which we can spend on poaching more Barca youths :P

Walcott to Juve is a bit of a laugh, but I think he'll suit Italian football. He is fantastic on the counter attack.

Still praying for news of a new keeper.... I am beginning to worry now.

sh4rpz

21-05-2010, 12:18 AM

Still praying for news of a new keeper.... I am beginning to worry now.

bru I am with you on this - noise coming outta the grove is that Fabianski is gonna be the new #1.

Randhir

21-05-2010, 12:31 AM

bru I am with you on this - noise coming outta the grove is that Fabianski is gonna be the new #1.

Ouchie... I can't imagine that going down too well with Arsenal fans...

sh4rpz

21-05-2010, 12:35 AM

Ouchie... I can't imagine that going down too well with Arsenal fans...

tell me about it, I'm starting to wish for Almunia again :/

Cantera

21-05-2010, 12:42 AM

sh4rpz

21-05-2010, 12:57 AM

You were made to look like a fool. I told you what Messi would do and you were daft enough to underestimate him. Just proved what you know about football.

Nothing.

Same thing with you everyday huh?

Man, it's you and Barca vs Everyone else ye?

The internet is full of the most narrow-minded of baffoons - but you... heyyy ... there are just no words.

Btw, do your folks let you stay up this late on a school night?

You're so cool.

sh4rpz

21-05-2010, 01:02 AM

Arsenal Fans: I have a request from a Dutch Arsenal fan - he is requesting anyone with knowledge of any footage (youtube or the like) of Marc Overmars from last season (i.e. 2008/09)

As many of you may know, Marc came out of retirement last season to join Go Ahead Eagles as a first team player. He was/is still on the board of Directors at the club as well. However, his season and career was finally ended when he broke his leg (similar injury to the one Cesc had v Barca) on the final weekend of the season.

any help with this footage (if any exists) would be appreciated.

you can PM me if you have located any.

Thanks a bunch.

mmmig

21-05-2010, 07:23 AM

Van de Vaart he could be a good addition to the squad if Cesc leaves.

phiber

21-05-2010, 08:07 AM

phiber

21-05-2010, 08:23 AM

Need some defenders, Phil Jagielka is supposedly unsettled and hopefully we can bring him in for cheap. He is not the tallest though, so maybe we need to look at someone the size of Campbell, dunno who can fill that role though. Campbell/Vermaelen would be quite an awesome partnership, but he cant do 50+ games in a season.

nivek

21-05-2010, 08:49 AM

Maybe we can swap Theo for Buffon, would be sad to see Theo leave, but we are damn desperate for a Keeper right now! I don't think Fabianski will take the number one spot, he is not good enough. I think he has proved this, and deep down Wenger knows this and is too scared to admit it in the press. Wenger said he will try do all his deals before the WC starts, and with all the players heading out to join their teams quite soon I hope he is working his magic behind the scenes.

Arsenal never talk about transfers.. The keeper will come, Arsene said he will make defensive signings, Chamakh is a definate and nothing has been announced yet - international transfers only open 2 days before the world cup on the 9th of june, so i guess we'll only hear about them from arsenal.com around that time

sh4rpz

21-05-2010, 09:30 AM

Arsenal never talk about transfers.. The keeper will come, Arsene said he will make defensive signings, Chamakh is a definate and nothing has been announced yet - international transfers only open 2 days before the world cup on the 9th of june, so i guess we'll only hear about them from arsenal.com around that time

buddy, I am praying you're right about a keeper and some defenders. How awesome would it be if on June 2nd we announce 4 signings and the sales of Fabianski, Almunia, and Silvestre for more multi-millions!

nivek

21-05-2010, 09:46 AM

buddy, I am praying you're right about a keeper and some defenders. How awesome would it be if on June 2nd we announce 4 signings and the sales of Fabianski, Almunia, and Silvestre for more multi-millions!

haha
I dont think Arsenal would be able to buy a weeks supply of food for the canteen with money they'd get from the sale of those 3

sh4rpz

21-05-2010, 10:03 AM

haha
I dont think Arsenal would be able to buy a weeks supply of food for the canteen with money they'd get from the sale of those 3

:D too true!

Cantera

21-05-2010, 11:09 AM

phiber

21-05-2010, 11:42 AM

Arsenal never talk about transfers.. The keeper will come, Arsene said he will make defensive signings, Chamakh is a definate and nothing has been announced yet - international transfers only open 2 days before the world cup on the 9th of june, so i guess we'll only hear about them from arsenal.com around that time

I know i know, but i am super super impatient :P Arsenal also always try to hide what they pay for players so that it doesn't end up inflating the price for the next player they try to buy... Smart business model!

phiber

21-05-2010, 11:42 AM

Tarantula

21-05-2010, 11:43 AM

Seems like the Arsenal supporters are on edge this morning :D

Must be hard trying to support an average club when your best player is going to move on and the club will go another season without any silverware.

All the hate and insutls towards Barcelona is especially enjoyable to read and laugh at.

Sheesh, if only I could be a Barca fanboi. I could troll around Arsenal threads and put absolute garbage in there. I could insult a few regarding their football knowledge based on nothing really, but why not? I'll definitely show NO respect to any other team besides my Barca hommies, and sledge other teams at any available moment. And hey, if (and when) Barca start losing, I'll just jump ship to Real, or maybe even lose interest in football entirely because where is the fun when supporting a team who isn't winning? ***** that, I'll just go watch American Idol or something.

Why oh why did I not become a Barca fanboi? *Crawls into a ball sobbing uncontrollably*

Tarantula

21-05-2010, 11:50 AM

I know i know, but i am super super impatient :P Arsenal also always try to hide what they pay for players so that it doesn't end up inflating the price for the next player they try to buy... Smart business model!

Arsene stated he would like to have all his transfers completed before the World Cup. Timing is a wasting now. Also, this seems awfully familiar to the Jan transfer window when Arsene also stated he would splash the cash, and all we got was Sol (who turned out to be a critical transfer).

Guess we just need to trust Le Boss. But I am in the same boat as you. Really impatient to hear some transfer news.

nivek

21-05-2010, 12:02 PM

Arsene stated he would like to have all his transfers completed before the World Cup. Timing is a wasting now. Also, this seems awfully familiar to the Jan transfer window when Arsene also stated he would splash the cash, and all we got was Sol (who turned out to be a critical transfer).

Guess we just need to trust Le Boss. But I am in the same boat as you. Really impatient to hear some transfer news.

but the difference here now is the intl transfer window isnt open yet
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsAndFeatures/2010/transfer-window-060510

phiber

21-05-2010, 12:13 PM

but the difference here now is the intl transfer window isnt open yet
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsAndFeatures/2010/transfer-window-060510

Cool. Need to get some domestic news going, want some local players... Maybe a deal for Senderos/Jagielka :P

nivek

21-05-2010, 12:14 PM

How did Birmingham sign Foster outside of the window ?
It was a local transfer, just like Villa to Barca

Domestic transfers opened after the clubs last competitive game of the season,

check the url! :P

fishfly

21-05-2010, 12:16 PM

Arsene stated he would like to have all his transfers completed before the World Cup. Timing is a wasting now. Also, this seems awfully familiar to the Jan transfer window when Arsene also stated he would splash the cash, and all we got was Sol (who turned out to be a critical transfer).

Guess we just need to trust Le Boss. But I am in the same boat as you. Really impatient to hear some transfer news.

I share the same sentiments, with La Liga inflating prices beyond reasonable it's ridiculous...

SAF will not spend anything over 30 mill...

Randhir

21-05-2010, 12:22 PM

I share the same sentiments, with La Liga inflating prices beyond reasonable it's ridiculous...

It's not only La Liga dude.. City, United and Chelsea have upped prices in England too. (Obviously City way more than the other 2).

sh4rpz

21-05-2010, 02:41 PM

If you have nothing of Value to add towards AFC, please refrain from posting. Thanks.

he has nothing of value to add anywhere - the drone c*nt.

Back to important stuff:

all this Fabregas hoopla has driven away the focus from Arsene and his team.

I just want to know what people think of Phil Senderos. Surely he is a better centre-half at the moment than Silvestre. At the international tourneys he always takes the plaudits with the Swiss. I think something went down behind the scenes between Phil and another of the playing staff; possibly Gallas?

I remember Gallas saying in 2007/8 after his strop at St Andrews, that there are certain players who don't do what he instructs - and the interviewer pointed out, telling players what to do, was not a captain's job. As a result of the defeat to Liverpool at Anfield in the UCL quarters that season, Senderos's Arsenal career seemed to have declined. He was highly regarded at the grove, so I don't know what happend that shook the manager's confidence in him.

Admittedly, he wasn't the best out there - but surely better than Silvestre?

Randhir

21-05-2010, 02:45 PM

At the international tourneys he always takes the plaudits with the Swiss. I think something went down behind the scenes between Phil and another of the playing staff; possibly Gallas?

Well if there's a chance he had a fight with another player, it's a good chance it was Gallas :p Nasri said he (and a few others) doesn't even talk to Gallas anymore, and Toure said part of leaving Arsenal was a chance to not play with Gallas any more.

nivek

21-05-2010, 02:52 PM

he has nothing of value to add anywhere - the drone c*nt.

Back to important stuff:

all this Fabregas hoopla has driven away the focus from Arsene and his team.

I just want to know what people think of Phil Senderos. Surely he is a better centre-half at the moment than Silvestre. At the international tourneys he always takes the plaudits with the Swiss. I think something went down behind the scenes between Phil and another of the playing staff; possibly Gallas?

I remember Gallas saying in 2007/8 after his strop at St Andrews, that there are certain players who don't do what he instructs - and the interviewer pointed out, telling players what to do, was not a captain's job. As a result of the defeat to Liverpool at Anfield in the UCL quarters that season, Senderos's Arsenal career seemed to have declined. He was highly regarded at the grove, so I don't know what happend that shook the manager's confidence in him.

Admittedly, he wasn't the best out there - but surely better than Silvestre?

Screw both of them, bring us Mexes! :D
Definately better than Silvestre, but the difference being, Senderos has a career ahead of him, and he wanted to stay in the Swiss team and therefore required game time, Silvestre was a perfect candidate for 6th choice CB and to sit on the bench all season, because there was no hope of him playing for France.. Dont think you find too many patient young (Senderos's age) players around, willing to sit on the bench all season.. Nobody saw the injuries coming or Djourou missing the entire season

Tarantula

21-05-2010, 03:14 PM

Screw both of them, bring us Mexes! :D
Definately better than Silvestre, but the difference being, Senderos has a career ahead of him, and he wanted to stay in the Swiss team and therefore required game time, Silvestre was a perfect candidate for 6th choice CB and to sit on the bench all season, because there was no hope of him playing for France.. Dont think you find too many patient young (Senderos's age) players around, willing to sit on the bench all season.. Nobody saw the injuries coming or Djourou missing the entire season

I have a funny feeling we'll just see Djourou step up in place of Gallas. Although I haven't seen much of Djourou, but from what I have seen is he is ok. I'm willing to give him a chance. We still need to replace Silvestre though. 4 solid CBs in the squad is integral and not a "nice to have".

There is talk of Denmark's Simon Kjaer joining us. He is only going for 10 mil, and is 21 years old and looks very solid. That sounds like a Arsene Wenger speciality right there.

Still think keeper is priority.

phiber

21-05-2010, 05:52 PM

There is talk of Denmark's Simon Kjaer joining us. He is only going for 10 mil, and is 21 years old and looks very solid. That sounds like a Arsene Wenger speciality right there.
Still think keeper is priority.

Kjaer is quite tall as well hey? Like Bendtners height from what i remember. Haven't really seen him play tho.

nivek

21-05-2010, 06:39 PM

and in other news :D
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/marouane-chamakh-completes-move-to-arsenal
Chamakh has arrived

hawker

21-05-2010, 07:54 PM

He appears to be a solid striker, certainly better than bendtner.

Manager Arsène Wenger said: “We are delighted that Marouane Chamakh has joined us. He is a player we have admired for some time now and I know he will provide our squad with great quality. Chamakh has proved he is a great player with his performances for Bordeaux and Morocco in recent seasons and we’re all looking forward to him joining us.

"Chamakh is a striker of real quality and has all the attributes suited to come to England and do very well. He is also a fighter, not only a good football player, but a fighter as well. He is very good in the air and also a good team player. He is a great addition to our squad.”

After completing his move to the Gunners, Chamakh said: “This is a dream come true and a great joy to be joining Arsenal. My goal was always to play in the Premier League and Arsenal was the choice of my heart.

“Without any hesitation, Arsenal was my preferred club. The team and history of Arsenal, they make me dream. My goal was to join Arsenal out of the all the English clubs because it is a club that makes me dream and I have been a fan since I was a child.

phiber

21-05-2010, 09:47 PM

and in other news :D
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/marouane-chamakh-completes-move-to-arsenal
Chamakh has arrived

Nice. His game/goal ratio isn't as good as I thought, but will definitely go up provided he gets the right service. Quite tall as well, and we can do with someone that is keen to get in their and try score with their head.

hawker

21-05-2010, 09:57 PM

Nice. His game/goal ratio isn't as good as I thought,

Still probably better than Bentners.

nivek

22-05-2010, 12:31 AM

I think Marouane significantly strengthen our attacking potential

Arshavin on twitter :D

sh4rpz

22-05-2010, 01:50 AM

Arshavin on twitter :D

he is a funny guy that Arshavin.

What do you think will happen with Eduardo and Vela now that Chamakh has been confirmed?

Also, heard this morning Fransisco Merida Perez signed a new 5 year contract with Arsenal. Club has yet to confirm this - anyone hear anything more?

iDOL

22-05-2010, 07:39 AM

Guys, I don't think our friends trying to buy Cesc can afford him, despite all their loud protestations -

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/05/20/1934022/barcelona-presidential-candidate-sandro-rosell-warns

This is why I am happy with the sacrifices at times, we as fans get frustrated, but we know all of this is worthwhile.

Our Trophy cabinet may be filled with cobwebs and dust but the best thing is, year on year if we continue to pay off the debt at the rate we are, pretty soon we will be done in 5 years or so with the remainder of the STADIUM DEBT not flimsy debt from trying to impress the neighbours.

nivek

22-05-2010, 10:55 AM

mmm sounds like your perspective has changed from a few pages ago iDOL... good to see :D

nivek

22-05-2010, 10:56 AM

he is a funny guy that Arshavin.

What do you think will happen with Eduardo and Vela now that Chamakh has been confirmed?

Also, heard this morning Fransisco Merida Perez signed a new 5 year contract with Arsenal. Club has yet to confirm this - anyone hear anything more?

I think Eduardo is out, Vela will stay.. Vela is still really young, and has a whole future ahead of him, and Arsene has alot of faith in him..
We have to keep Merida!!!!!! Especially with all the uncertainty around Cesc

sh4rpz

22-05-2010, 11:10 AM

I think Eduardo is out, Vela will stay.. Vela is still really young, and has a whole future ahead of him, and Arsene has alot of faith in him..
We have to keep Merida!!!!!! Especially with all the uncertainty around Cesc

Eduardo/Vela: I can see AW keeping them both, perhaps given Dudu another chance - a final chance and then decide in January. I think AW really rates Ed. I agree with your assessment of Vela.

Fran Merida: There are conflicting reports, especially from Joseba Diaz, his agent, that Fran has agreed a 5 year deal with Athletico Madrid. Nothing official yet tho.

nivek

22-05-2010, 11:15 AM

Eduardo/Vela: I can see AW keeping them both, perhaps given Dudu another chance - a final chance and then decide in January. I think AW really rates Ed. I agree with your assessment of Vela.

Fran Merida: There are conflicting reports, especially from Joseba Diaz, his agent, that Fran has agreed a 5 year deal with Athletico Madrid. Nothing official yet tho.

It wont really be the end of the world if Merida leaves, Ramsey seems destined for Cesc's job, but the more options Arsene has for that position the better..

Mmm, another one who impresses everytime he plays is Barazite, this might be his breakthrough season in the cup games

sh4rpz

22-05-2010, 12:02 PM

It wont really be the end of the world if Merida leaves, Ramsey seems destined for Cesc's job, but the more options Arsene has for that position the better..

Mmm, another one who impresses everytime he plays is Barazite, this might be his breakthrough season in the cup games

good call. I think that with Ramsey, we won't see much progress next season due to the injury - but certainly the season after, once he is back playing again for a few months. We'll need to be really patient with him.

Barazite is really talented - so will be interesting to see when/if he gets his chance.

phiber

22-05-2010, 12:11 PM

Whats the thoughts on Henry? I wouldn't mind seeing him back at Arsenal, giving Arsharvin something to think about on the left.

sh4rpz

22-05-2010, 04:23 PM

Whats the thoughts on Henry? I wouldn't mind seeing him back at Arsenal, giving Arsharvin something to think about on the left.

wouldn't mind that at all - if Thierry gets 10-15 goals a season, like I'm sure he can do - that would be great! Better return than say, Vela for example? Certainly wouldn't be the worst signing.

This free video on the official site is interesting: Wenger categorically states he is in the market, and that we will add 'one or two more players, certainly'. It seems he is happy with the forwards we have at the moment - and will be looking at other areas of the squad. Again: goalkeeper and defender x 2 please!

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/free-video-wenger-on-marouane-chamakh

adding Chamakh + 2 defenders and a good solid GK will definitely make our squad stronger going into the new season - and with a midfield of Song, Cesc, Nasri, Arshavin and Diaby, Denilson, Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott, Rosicky + Forward line of RVP, Chamakh, Bendtner, Vela, Eduardo and maybe promote someone from the reserves or even Wellington when he arrives in Jan - the midfield and forward line looks good.

defense and goalie: sort it out, arsene!

mmmig

22-05-2010, 05:01 PM

What do you think will happen with Eduardo and Vela now that Chamakh has been confirmed?

Chamakh is ment to be a replacement for Adaboyer, so unless Wenger spends more money on another striker I think they are safe.

MR.C

22-05-2010, 05:50 PM

Chamakh and RVP will be first choice imo. Rumour has it that Henry was on his way to usa but West Ham is apparently interested in bringing him back to London. I really don't think Cesc will go, he saw Chamakh getting signed up and that signals Wengers intent.
Look at the last few seasons, Nasri, Arshavin, Vermaelen, all world class.
Also heard that fran is gone to Atletico, on a free transfer.

nivek

22-05-2010, 06:11 PM

MR.C

22-05-2010, 08:15 PM

I doubt he'll even get a starting place. Look at Hleb and what happened to his career after he left.

sh4rpz

22-05-2010, 09:16 PM

Just before I step out, thought I'd just bring an update about Fran Merida:

http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/05/merida-rejects-improved-arsenal-deal-for-atletico-switch/

He has decided to continue his career in Spain - good luck to him and hope he makes a good career for himself at club and national level.

nivek

25-05-2010, 01:05 PM

sh4rpz check your inbox

sh4rpz

25-05-2010, 01:15 PM

sh4rpz check your inbox

sorted with reply. Have a look.

poffle

25-05-2010, 01:26 PM

Barca have made contact with Arsenal but no formal offer yet.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_6171412,00.html

sh4rpz

25-05-2010, 07:33 PM

Barca have made contact with Arsenal but no formal offer yet.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_6171412,00.html

perhaps 'contact with Arsenal' means they like...Barca poked them on Facebook or something. Barca...heh:D

Cantera

25-05-2010, 09:19 PM

Cesc’s Father: “I think in the end Arsenal will give in and let Cesc go”

The father of Arsenal FC midfielder and Spanish international Cesc Fabregas (23) is confident that the Premier League side will bow to pressure from Barcelona and allow his son to return to the Camp Nou this summer.

“He (Cesc) is focused now on the Spanish national team but what he wants is for the transfer to be concluded as soon as possible. he added.

Read more: http://www.totalbarca.com/2010/news/cesc-father-i-think-in-the-end-arsenal-will-give-in-and-let-cesc-go/#more-38160#ixzz0oyEGnCVs

Seems like good ol Dad wants his son to wear the blue and red next season at the Camp Nou.

nivek

26-05-2010, 02:17 PM

lol
Bendtner now
'My biggest dream is to play for one of the two big Spanish clubs' http://bit.ly/9KFFCN
f. off then :D i think hes a bit sour cause of chamakhs arrival

mmmig

26-05-2010, 02:20 PM

Sol Cambell is seriously considering an offer from Celtic.

Tarantula

26-05-2010, 02:34 PM

lol
Bendtner now
'My biggest dream is to play for one of the two big Spanish clubs' http://bit.ly/9KFFCN
f. off then :D i think hes a bit sour cause of chamakhs arrival

Hehe. I don't think Chamakh will play in Nick B's position. Bendtner is replacement to RVP and he can't really expect anything more. 21 years old, still green as a cucumber. RVP is good for half a season so I am sure Nick will still get plenty game time in 2010/11. One guy who must be hating life is Eduardo. Falling faster down the pecking order than Paris Hilton's panties.

nivek

26-05-2010, 02:39 PM

Hehe. I don't think Chamakh will play in Nick B's position. Bendtner is replacement to RVP and he can't really expect anything more. 21 years old, still green as a cucumber. RVP is good for half a season so I am sure Nick will still get plenty game time in 2010/11. One guy who must be hating life is Eduardo. Falling faster down the pecking order than Paris Hilton's panties.

lol @ Paris
yeah poor eddy, didnt even see him feature for croatia the other day

sh4rpz

26-05-2010, 02:42 PM

I think if he stays injury free and gets a decent run in the side, Bendtner could get 20-25 goals for Arsenal. He is capable.

sh4rpz

26-05-2010, 03:06 PM

By the by Gunner's fans: Happy 21st St Michael's Day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQmO3S2eLPE&feature=player_embedded

..and don't forget to remind every Liverpool fan you know! heh :D

phiber

26-05-2010, 03:14 PM

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=790390&sec=transfers&cc=5739&campaign=rss&source=soccernet

Cescs move is up to Wenger according to him. Wonder what Wenger will decide.

Cantera

26-05-2010, 03:15 PM

lol
Bendtner now
'My biggest dream is to play for one of the two big Spanish clubs' http://bit.ly/9KFFCN
f. off then :D i think hes a bit sour cause of chamakhs arrival

/im sure I will upset some Arsenal supporters but who cares, the way you are insulting Barcelona it only seems fair to be honest.

Do you blame Bendter?

Why do you think Cesc wants to leave?

Playing for Barcelona or Real is seen as the highlight of a footballer's career.

Arsenal will never be classed in the same category.

R13...

26-05-2010, 03:20 PM

Playing for Barcelona or Real is seen as the pinnacle of a footballers career.

Only in your head... every player has their own childhood wet dream team. Don't tell me that's Real or Barca... but being a bit deluded you'd probably think so.

nivek

26-05-2010, 03:22 PM

/im sure I will upset some Arsenal supporters but who cares, the way you are insulting Barcelona it only seems fair to be honest.

Do you blame Bendter?

Why do you think Cesc wants to leave?

Playing for Barcelona or Real is seen as the pinnacle of a footballers career.

Arsenal will never be classed in the same category.

Blame Bendtner for what? Wanting to play for you ****s? yes he can be blamed, he's another player who was given an opportunity and has had nothing but support from Arsenal and the fans, even when he missed 2000 sitters in a single match, he recieved applause when he was subbed.

Really? The pinnacle of a players career? Funny you dont mention Manchester United there, its weird how you have no respect for them when they're as successful than Barcelona.. How exciting can playing in a league against crippled (Barca & Madrid robbing everyone else of TV revenue) opponents be, its like playing FIFA on EASY!

Cantera

26-05-2010, 03:23 PM

Only in your head... every player has their own childhood wet dream team. Don't tell me that's Real or Barca... but being a bit deluded you'd probably think so.

Well if you look at the players who have graced the Camp Nou and Bernabeau pitches it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that they all want to play there.

Maradona
Ronaldo
Rivaldo
Romario
Zidanne

I can go on and on.

Who of the world legends played for Arsenal?

Cantera

26-05-2010, 03:25 PM

Blame Bendtner for what? Wanting to play for you ****s? yes he can be blamed, he's another player who was given an opportunity and has had nothing but support from Arsenal and the fans, even when he missed 2000 sitters in a single match, he recieved applause when he was subbed.

Really? The pinnacle of a players career? Funny you dont mention Manchester United there, its weird how you have no respect for them when they're as successful than Barcelona.. How exciting can playing in a league against crippled (Barca & Madrid robbing everyone else of TV revenue) opponents be, its like playing FIFA on EASY!

Dude, dont blame your players for wanting to come to Barcelona or Real Madrid.

Or let me guess, Barcelona used their tactics to MAKE Bendtner say those things to the media?

I have never ever heard a player say that their dream is to play for Arsenal football club.

Maybe you can post a link of a great footballer who said that?