Sigma APO 150-500mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM

[bwana]

Anyone have any experience with the Sigma APO 150-500mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3348&navigator=3)?

I'm currently torn between that and the Sigma APO 50-500mm F4-6.3 EX DG HSM (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3307&navigator=3) - AKA the "Bigma".

[BigAl-sa]

Been meaning to reply to this, but what with trying to get Devill to spend his money...

You know I'm a Bigma fan, but the Bigma does need support. I would like the OS of the 150-500, but I'm a bit worried about the optics. I read on several sites that there's a feeling around that it may be similar optics to the 170-500 (which has been discontinued). The 170-500 was never very good at the long end.

Maybe, take one of your cams to the shop and take a few pics with both. Then have a look at your leisure??

[bwana]

Think they only have the 150-500 in stock so at least I can test that one and if I like it . . . :)

[koffiejunkie]

If I find a shop over here with both I'll see if they'll let me fire a few shots. Maybe at B&H I've also read that the 50-500 is superior. The difference maybe small but it might be much bigger when you get your new cam. The lens re-tests on the 50D was a bit of a shocker for me - I didn't think the difference would be that much.

[bwana]

If I find a shop over here with both I'll see if they'll let me fire a few shots. Maybe at B&H I've also read that the 50-500 is superior. The difference maybe small but it might be much bigger when you get your new cam. The lens re-tests on the 50D was a bit of a shocker for me - I didn't think the difference would be that much.I've read some reviews that say one is better - then others that say the other is better . . I think I'll take my camera into the shop, fire off a few photos and if it looks nice I'll take it. Not too bothered about the 50-150 part the bigma offers - I've got plenty of glass that covers that range quite nicely.

[koffiejunkie]

I would say it's the 500 end that would matter...

[bwana]

I would say it's the 500 end that would matter...Yeah - I've been reading differing reviews but they're all fairly positive.

[koffiejunkie]

Well, I did a test shot with each at the wide end and at 500mm. Unfortunately, it's just too dark in BH, and they wouldn't let me borrow one of the tripods/monopods on display, so I had to make do with resting my elbow on the counter, which wasn't enough. The only shot that came out sharp was the 150-500 at 150mm, no doubt thanks to the OS.

What I can tell you, is that the 500 is about two inches shorter, and *much* lighter. The OS works well too. Not as well as on my 24-105L, but that might simply be a result of the longer focal length - I haven't tried any other lens that long with stabilisation. But at that focal length, I think OS would weigh pretty heavy in my decision, if I was shopping for a lens like this. Both have HSM and snap into focus pretty quickly and accurately.

[bwana]

Tried it today and liked it - handheld some 1/80 shots at 500mm which I guess is pretty good.

My camera reports it as a Canon EF 135mm f/2L.

I'll probably get it.

[ldmelsa]

Tried it today and liked it - handheld some 1/80 shots at 500mm which I guess is pretty good.

OS is cool, hey bwana? :)

[bwana]

OS is cool, hey bwana? :)At 500mm it probably made a difference but until play some more with it I'll have to reserve judgement. I'm picking up a tripod anyway.

There is an ultra portable National Geographic manfroto that seems pretty sturdy.

[BigAl-sa]

Tried it today and liked it - handheld some 1/80 shots at 500mm which I guess is pretty good.
where pics?


My camera reports it as a Canon EF 135mm f/2L.You sure? It's normally dof software on your PC that reports it as something like that. The camera doesn't tell you what focal length you're at.


I'll probably get it.:)

[bwana]

where pics?

You sure? It's normally dof software on your PC that reports it as something like that. The camera doesn't tell you what focal length you're at.

:)It could be. Either way I have to find a workaround :)

[BigAl-sa]

It could be. Either way I have to find a workaround :)I stand under correction, but Canon's DPP reports my Bigma as 50-500. Try with that.

[bwana]

I stand under correction, but Canon's DPP reports my Bigma as 50-500. Try with that.PS3 calls it a 150-500 so I guess I have to figure out how to get aperture to do the same.

[koffiejunkie]

There is an ultra portable National Geographic manfroto that seems pretty sturdy.

I saw a Gitzo carbon model at Penn camera in DC that's folds up much smaller than mine. It might have been this one (http://www.gitzo.com/Jahia/site/gitzo/pid/4765?kindOfProductCollectionRequest=productDetail&productCode=GT1550T&productDescription=Traveler%206X%20tripod%20with%2 0head&curBrandId=BGI&market=MKT1&actualPathCategoryKey=1CAT:AAA1:2CAT:BB59:3CAT:CC4 5:4CAT:DD52&curMarketId=MARKET:MKT1).

[ldmelsa]

What are you going to be using your new lens for?

[bwana]

I saw a Gitzo carbon model at Penn camera in DC that's folds up much smaller than mine. It might have been this one (http://www.gitzo.com/Jahia/site/gitzo/pid/4765?kindOfProductCollectionRequest=productDetail&productCode=GT1550T&productDescription=Traveler%206X%20tripod%20with%2 0head&curBrandId=BGI&market=MKT1&actualPathCategoryKey=1CAT:AAA1:2CAT:BB59:3CAT:CC4 5:4CAT:DD52&curMarketId=MARKET:MKT1).If its not it then it's pretty close - what did you think of it?
What are you going to be using your new lens for?Photography mostly but also to impress the chicks. ;) Daylight - outdoors - maybe some sports, definitely some wildlife.

[ldmelsa]

haha :)

[bwana]

where pics?http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/3053365785_d5ca9f64c9.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3053365785/)

[koffiejunkie]

If its not it then it's pretty close - what did you think of it?

Looked exactly like the one I had, just folds up smaller. It's sturdy, it can extend fairly high - almost enough for me not to have to bend down, but not quite.

The only thing that bothers me (on mine too) is that the legs are rather thin. I think this is more a perception thing. They're strong, apparently, and the tripod is sturdy. It just looks weird :)

If it wasn't for the price I would consider getting one for travel. But for now I'll stick with mine. I don't think I'll travel much in the next year anyway - too many other things happening.

[BigAl-sa]

not too much difference in the shots, you should maybe have tried one at f/6.3 too. I assume those are 100% crops??

[bwana]

f it wasn't for the price I would consider getting one for travel. But for now I'll stick with mine. I don't think I'll travel much in the next year anyway - too many other things happening.The price was one of the more attractive aspects - r600.
not too much difference in the shots, you should maybe have tried one at f/6.3 too. I assume those are 100% crops??I took plenty of shots so I'm sure there is a f/6.3 in there somewhere. As for crop size - no - they're not 100% crops - not even close to it.

[koffiejunkie]

The price was one of the more attractive aspects - r600.

Nice - I didn't know Manfrotto made such affordable ones.

[bwana]

This is some heavy glass . . .

[koffiejunkie]

Did you buy it?

[xrapidx]

Thats the lens I was after awhile back - probably still going to get it at some stage, the 50-500mm

[bwana]

Did you buy it?Yep. In a small local game park atm so I'm putting those long legs to good use. :)

[BigAl-sa]

Yep. In a small local game park atm so I'm putting those long legs to good use. :)...and you didn't let us know!

Pics?

[bwana]

...and you didn't let us know!

Pics?no computer atm so you'll have to wait a bit for Pics.

[BigAl-sa]

Were the stadium pics in your gallery taken with it (see no EXIF)?

[bwana]

Were the stadium pics in your gallery taken with it (see no EXIF)?No - they were taken with either my 70-200mm f/4 L or my 16-35mm II F/2.8 L.

The 150-500mm seems pretty decent

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/3065734402_826c1fba83.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3065734402/)
Exposure Time: 1 / 160
FNumber: f/7.1
Focal Length: 150mm

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/3065707614_b92a655444.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3065707614/)
Exposure Time: 1 / 200
FNumber: f/11
Focal Length: 267mm

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3071/3065707364_a21b21efe4.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3065707364/)
Exposure Time: 1 / 160
FNumber: f/9
Focal Length: 289mm

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/3064868187_c2b45fb3d0.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3064868187/)
Exposure Time: 1 / 125
FNumber: f/6.3
Focal Length: 340mm

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/3064867965_6dcb72d6ed.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3064867965/)
Exposure Time: 1 / 60
FNumber: f/6.3
Focal Length: 439mm

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/3064886305_230af682f3.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3064886305/)
Exposure Time: 1 / 640
FNumber: f/6.3
Focal Length: 500mm

[koffiejunkie]

Are you liking the OS?

[xrapidx]

Did you mention the lens price?

[bwana]

Are you liking the OS?Its ok - definitely going to need that tripod though.
Did you mention the lens price?I'm not sure.

[ldmelsa]

The 150-500mm seems pretty decent

oh LOL
you bought your lens - cool!

[xrapidx]

Spoke to one of the guys at Orms today about the 50-500mm lens, he recommended this lens over that one :)

[marine1]

How awesome is that pic of the 2 giraffes? Amazing.

[koffiejunkie]

bwana, does that big lens influence battery life at all?

[bwana]

oh LOL
you bought your lens - cool!Yep :)
How awesome is that pic of the 2 giraffes? Amazing.Thanks. They were very obliging. :)
Spoke to one of the guys at Orms today about the 50-500mm lens, he recommended this lens over that one :)I'd probably have been happy with either - they just happened to have the 150-500 in stock. I'm not sure if there is much of a price difference but that might have influenced me too if I'd had to make a choice.
bwana, does that big lens influence battery life at all?It must do with that OS but I've been using the grip. Even with it on the camera only barely touches the table when I'm resting it on the tripod mount. :D

Edit - Allow me to illustrate :D

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=1435

[BigAl-sa]

Nice pics Bwana. Looks like it reports different focal lengths to camera when compared to the Bigma. The Bigma reports anything between 400 & 500mm as 417mm. I see you have a 439mm

I must convince the missus she needs one, especially for the OS :D

btw, your demo pic is not showing

[bwana]

Nice pics Bwana. Looks like it reports different focal lengths to camera when compared to the Bigma. The Bigma reports anything between 400 & 500mm as 417mm. I see you have a 439mm

I must convince the missus she needs one, especially for the OS :D

btw, your demo pic is not showingAnd now?

Even better than the OS is the "pod" beanbag that I attach to the lens tripod mount which is perfect for resting on the car windowsill.

[BigAl-sa]

And now?still nothing.
see it's now there :confused:


Even better than the OS is the "pod" beanbag that I attach to the lens tripod mount which is perfect for resting on the car windowsill.I use this thing (http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/2744975). In that review, I was using a Kirk BH3 ballhead (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=KIRKBH3), which is a bit light for the Bigma. I'm now using a Manfrotto video head (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=TPMFH701RC2) - muchbetter :)

[bwana]

still nothing.
see it's now there :confused:

I use this thing (http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/2744975). In that review, I was using a Kirk BH3 ballhead (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=KIRKBH3), which is a bit light for the Bigma. I'm now using a Manfrotto video head (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=TPMFH701RC2) - muchbetter :)Looks impressive - I might be overkill for my needs though.

[bwana]

When's the next full moon? :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3151/3071371499_fd9fba2c6d.jpg?v=0

[koffiejunkie]

When's the next full moon? :)

Damn you. Now you make me want to get one too! :)

[bwana]

Damn you. Now you make me want to get one too! :)If you've got a use for it then go for it. :)

I think I'm done buying glass now for a while. :) :o

[koffiejunkie]

Well, yeah, it would be cool to shoot the moon, but that's about it. Not exactly enough to justify that. I'm even using my 70-300 so infrequently that I'm thinking of selling it to fund other toys.

[BigAl-sa]

My experience is that 500mm is a bit short for the moon unless you can get it early, when it's still hanging on the horizon.

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/366593247_8sioU-M.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/366593247_8sioU-O.jpg)

Not as pretty as Bwana's, but sometimes the smog up here has its uses ;)
I used the kit mentioned in my previous post to take this one (at 500mm).

[bwana]

My experience is that 500mm is a bit short for the moon unless you can get it early, when it's still hanging on the horizon.The 500mm is still going to be a lot better than the 300mm I've been using up until now. :)
Not as pretty as Bwana's, but sometimes the smog up here has its uses ;)
I used the kit mentioned in my previous post to take this one (at 500mm).Nice pic. :)

[marine1]

My experience is that 500mm is a bit short for the moon unless you can get it early, when it's still hanging on the horizon.



Not as pretty as Bwana's, but sometimes the smog up here has its uses ;)
I used the kit mentioned in my previous post to take this one (at 500mm).

I dont agree, I have taken my best shots of the moon with my 500

[BigAl-sa]

The 500mm is still going to be a lot better than the 300mm I've been using up until now.Tks. You're very right about that. Here, Venus with a newish moon, uncropped. Worth looking into this as Venus, Jupiter and the new moon will be together when the moon rises this week (I'll see if I can get dates - weather not promising though).

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/179637078_SzJ8C-M.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/179637078_SzJ8C-O.jpg)

[marine1]

Wow great pic, I think it will be on the 2nd December

[BigAl-sa]

I dont agree, I have taken my best shots of the moon with my 500So have I, but it's still too short - you have to crop to see decent detail. Here, Liquidstone's moon at 1600mm (Sigma 300-800 + 2xTC):

http://www.pbase.com/liquidstone/image/104880834/large

Have a look at other pics in that gallery (and other galleries) - they are worth drooling over [insert drooling smiley here]

[marine1]

Yes you are right BigAl. Would need to crop.

[BigAl-sa]

Wow great pic, I think it will be on the 2nd December
Tks. You're right. Looks like today and tomorrow are the days to look out for it (won't work here with the weather :()

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1019&thread=30172460

[bwana]

So have I, but it's still too short - you have to crop to see decent detail. Here, Liquidstone's moon at 1600mm (Sigma 300-800 + 2xTC):

http://www.pbase.com/liquidstone/image/104880834/large

Have a look at other pics in that gallery (and other galleries) - they are worth drooling over [insert drooling smiley here]Awesome shots - though I noticed all of his are cropped too.

Too bad I cant use a TC on my lens. http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_tele.asp :(

I noticed what looked like an unusual alignment last night come to think of it. Crystal clear skies - as usual - last night. :p

[marine1]

Space Weather News for Monday, Dec. 1, 2008

When the sun goes down tonight, step outside and look south. Beaming through the twilight is one of the prettiest things you'll ever see--a tight three-way conjunction of Venus, Jupiter and the crescent Moon. The event is visible from all parts of the world, even from light-polluted cities. People in New York and Hong Kong will see it just as clearly as astronomers watching from remote mountaintops. Only cloudy weather or a midnight sun (sorry Antarctica!) can spoil the show.

The great conjunction offers something extra to Europeans. For more than an hour on Monday evening, the crescent Moon will actually eclipse Venus. Astronomers call such an event a "lunar occultation." Venus emerging from the dark edge of the Moon is a remarkably beautiful sight. Sky watchers across Europe will be able to see this happen.

[mercurial]

bwana, awesome pics man. Wow.

[BigAl-sa]

The great conjunction offers something extra to Europeans. For more than an hour on Monday evening, the crescent Moon will actually eclipse Venus. Astronomers call such an event a "lunar occultation." Venus emerging from the dark edge of the Moon is a remarkably beautiful sight. Sky watchers across Europe will be able to see this happen.This is what I was actually hoping would happen while I was waiting to take my pics. Unfortunately, they never did line up.

Hope you get a chance at it Bwana, but I think it's going to be slightly to the north, so you may not get the sea in the pic.

[marine1]

I think the peak will be tomorrow.

[xrapidx]

Dammit - I wanted one of those t-connectors for the telescope and tonights event...

[marine1]

I think the telescope will be too strong for this, I wont be able to see the whole thing

[xrapidx]

I think the telescope will be too strong for this, I wont be able to see the whole thing

AFAIK On the camera it works like a 800mm lens. (in my case anyways)

[marine1]

Oh ok, my scope with the T piece lets me see just the moon, that is without any Barlow or any EP's

[xrapidx]

Oh ok, my scope with the T piece lets me see just the moon, that is without any Barlow or any EP's

You just confused me - new to this :p

[marine1]

Barlow is a 2/4x converter that fits onto the scope and then onto the camera.
EP's - eye pieces :)
T piece connects to the camera and enables you to then connect to the scope
Dont worry I am also new.


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Beam of light without (red) and with (green) a Barlow lens

The Barlow lens, named for its creator, the English engineer Peter Barlow, is a diverging lens which, used in series with other optics in an optical system, effectively increases the focal ratio of an optical system as perceived by all components after it in the system.

In its astronomical use, a Barlow lens may be placed immediately before an eyepiece to effectively decrease the eyepiece's focal length by the amount of the Barlow's divergence. Since the magnification provided by a telescope and eyepiece is equal to the telescope's focal length divided by the eyepiece's focal length, this has the effect of increasing the magnification of the image.

Astronomical Barlow lenses are rated for the amount of magnification they induce. Most commonly, Barlow lenses are 2x or 3x but adjustable Barlows are also available. The power of an adjustable Barlow lens is changed by adding an extension tube between the Barlow and the eyepiece to increase the magnification.

The amount of magnification is one more than the focal length of the Barlow lens and the eyepiece. If the length of a standard 2x Barlow lens' tube is doubled, it becomes a 3x Barlow, if the tube length is tripled, it becomes a 4x Barlow, and so on.

In microscopy the Barlow lens is used to increase working distance and decrease magnification. The lens are "objective lenses" that are mounted in front of the microscope's last objective element. Standard lenses are 2× which decreases the working distance by half and increases the magnification, 0.75× which increases the working distance proportionally to the 0.75 and decreases the magnification similarly. A 0.5× would double the working distance and half the magnification.

[xrapidx]

Sorry for going O/T, but quick question, does the T piece have any glass on it? I'm a bit concerned about connecting the camera directly to the scope without anything in between, the scope is quite big, and a lot of room for dust which I don't want on my sensor.

[bwana]

This is what I was actually hoping would happen while I was waiting to take my pics. Unfortunately, they never did line up.

Hope you get a chance at it Bwana, but I think it's going to be slightly to the north, so you may not get the sea in the pic.I'm not sure how I'm going to do this - my tripod is pretty wobbly with that big lens on it so I'll have to make some other plan. Some sort of ramp with beanbags? Not going to go invest in a new tripod just for this and have the sky cloud over for the main event! :D

[koffiejunkie]

So have I, but it's still too short - you have to crop to see decent detail. Here, Liquidstone's moon at 1600mm (Sigma 300-800 + 2xTC):

I think these (http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/product_finder/cameras/ef_lenses/fixed_focal_length/ef_1200mm_f56l_usm/index.asp) two (http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/EF_Lenses/Extenders/Extender_EF_2x_II/index.asp) should do nicely.


Have a look at other pics in that gallery (and other galleries) - they are worth drooling over [insert drooling smiley here]

We really do need that drooling smiley - this is not the first time the need for it arose...


Too bad I cant use a TC on my lens. http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_tele.asp :(

Do you know the reason for that? Or is it maybe just that it hasn't been added to the list yet? It is a fairly new lens. As far as I know it's replacing the recently discontinued 170-500mm


This is what I was actually hoping would happen while I was waiting to take my pics. Unfortunately, they never did line up.

They did say that extra bit is just for Europeans. Unfortunately, for the first time since I've been back, it's been overcast tonight (despite a brilliantly clear day). That and I only read this now :(

[bwana]

Do you know the reason for that? Or is it maybe just that it hasn't been added to the list yet? It is a fairly new lens. As far as I know it's replacing the recently discontinued 170-500mmNo idea - I might get one for my other lenses one of these days and see what happens though :)

[bwana]

Do you know the reason for that? Or is it maybe just that it hasn't been added to the list yet? It is a fairly new lens. As far as I know it's replacing the recently discontinued 170-500mmLook what I just spotted - http://tinyurl.com/68johk :D

[koffiejunkie]

That's not bad. How much did you pay?

[koffiejunkie]

My goodness, the 17-55 f/2.8 is $120 cheaper than it was only three weeks ago!

[BigAl-sa]

Too bad I cant use a TC on my lens. http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_tele.asp :(

From one of the reviews on the BHphoto link you gave:


Absolutely wonderful lens. The OS capability is amazing. I've not needed to use a tripod at all, even when shooting the moon with a 2x teleextender at 1000mm.

[bwana]

That's not bad. How much did you pay?I was referring to the 1.4x extender they list as an accessory.

I paid £850 locally. I'd been reading about quality control issues on that lens and didnt know if they had been resolved yet . . . plus I was going to the game park the next day. :o

[bwana]

I was referring to the 1.4x extender they list as an accessory.

I paid £850 locally. I'd been reading about quality control issues on that lens and didnt know if they had been resolved yet . . . plus I was going to the game park the next day. :o
From one of the reviews on the BHphoto link you gave:1.4 would effectively give me 1280mm? That should be enough for a while and I wont lose AF on my other lenses. :)

[BigAl-sa]

1.4 would effectively give me 1280mm? That should be enough for a while and I wont lose AF on my other lenses. :)
1280?
500x1.6x1.4=1120?

Quite tricky to focus manually though. OTOH, with all the moon shots I've tried, I had to focus manually - without a TC

[bwana]

1280?
500x1.6x1.4=1120?

Quite tricky to focus manually though. OTOH, with all the moon shots I've tried, I had to focus manually - without a TCYou're correct of course. Still - not bad. :)

I think I can still remember how to focus :)

[xrapidx]

Maybe a stupid question, is this the Bigma: http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/10319688/Sigma_Canon_mount_50_500mm_1_4_6_3_APO_DG_HSM_Lens _Pre_owned.html

[koffiejunkie]

Maybe a stupid question, is this the Bigma: http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/10319688/Sigma_Canon_mount_50_500mm_1_4_6_3_APO_DG_HSM_Lens _Pre_owned.html

Yes - the 50-500 is known as the Bigma.

I believe this one (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3349&navigator=3) is known as the "BigMama" :D

[xrapidx]

Yes - the 50-500 is known as the Bigma

They'll accept 9,000 and close - I wonder if its worth it.

[bwana]

They'll accept 9,000 and close - I wonder if its worth it.

Have you got a purpose in mind for it? It's a bugger to carry around.

[xrapidx]

Have you got a purpose in mind for it? It's a bugger to carry around.

Clifton 4th Beach.... kidding :p

I like wildlife photography...and loved the 420mm on my old Panasonic.

Is the 150-500 much smaller?

[mercurial]

What about the 100-400mm IS USM? It's around R18000. I'm in love with it. Wish I had it.

http://www.orms.co.za/product.php?a=view&product=128

[xrapidx]

What about the 100-400mm IS USM? It's around R18000. I'm in love with it. Wish I had it.

http://www.orms.co.za/product.php?a=view&product=128

Double the price :eek:

[mercurial]

Double the price :eek:

Lol really? I assumed the 50-500 was more expensive :o

[xrapidx]

Lol really? I assumed the 50-500 was more expensive :o

Orms has it for R 14,999.00 - the Bidorbuy link above is R9,000.

[bwana]

Is the 150-500 much smaller?IIRC the 150 is a little bigger/heavier.

[xrapidx]

IIRC the 150 is a little bigger/heavier.

The 150 is bigger? how you finding it though?

[xrapidx]

Anyone care to add input on whether the 50-500mm lens is worth it at R9,000?

Besides scratches, what else should I look for? - do lenses have warranties?

[bwana]

Lol really? I assumed the 50-500 was more expensive :oYou expected canon's L glass to be cheaper than the sigma?
The 150 is bigger? how you finding it though?Its 33.5mm longer and 110g heavier. I had a real need for the length so it was easy to justify the expense.
Anyone care to add input on whether the 50-500mm lens is worth it at R9,000?

Besides scratches, what else should I look for? - do lenses have warranties?It should have a three year warranty. Take some photos with it and make sure the lens action is smooth and it focuses properly.

[xrapidx]

You expected canon's L glass to be cheaper than the sigma? Its 33.5mm longer and 110g heavier. I had a real need for the length so it was easy to justify the expense.It should have a three year warranty. Take some photos with it and make sure the lens action is smooth and it focuses properly.

Here's there response to one of my questions - anyone know what dust they're speaking of? Is it in the lens?

You think a 3 month warranty is enough to see if there are any issues?

Your Question was:
Hi Carol - the dust you mention - where is that? Can it be cleaned? UPDATED: 09 Dec 17:57 Forgot to ask, is there anything remaining on the warranty?

The Answer:
Hi,we are very critical when when we inspect our products.The dust refered to is the same amount you will have on a new lens once used a couple of times as there are dust particles in the air.Yes you can have it cleaned for about R450,but you will have to do that often if you want no dust,which would be a waste.This bit of dust will have no affect on your photo quality.Regards Johann UPDATED: 09 Dec 18:03 Hi,Yes we will still offer a 3 month warranty.Regards Johann

[bwana]

Here's there response to one of my questions - anyone know what dust they're speaking of? Is it in the lens?

You think a 3 month warranty is enough to see if there are any issues?

Your Question was:
Hi Carol - the dust you mention - where is that? Can it be cleaned? UPDATED: 09 Dec 17:57 Forgot to ask, is there anything remaining on the warranty?

The Answer:
Hi,we are very critical when when we inspect our products.The dust refered to is the same amount you will have on a new lens once used a couple of times as there are dust particles in the air.Yes you can have it cleaned for about R450,but you will have to do that often if you want no dust,which would be a waste.This bit of dust will have no affect on your photo quality.Regards Johann UPDATED: 09 Dec 18:03 Hi,Yes we will still offer a 3 month warranty.Regards JohannThree months? So the lens is 2 3/4 yrs old already.

Dust is inevitable - esp on lenses that expand/contract.

[koffiejunkie]

Sigma's warranty is one year, so the lens is fairly new. They're correct on the dust issue too - a lens that telescopes that much sucks in dust. My 70-300 has dust in, and I've only used it a handful of times. So does my 10-20 and 24-105, and it's not an issue on either of them. Three months will give you time to make sure the lens is working correctly.

[bwana]

Sigma's warranty is one year, so the lens is fairly new. They're correct on the dust issue too - a lens that telescopes that much sucks in dust. My 70-300 has dust in, and I've only used it a handful of times. So does my 10-20 and 24-105, and it's not an issue on either of them. Three months will give you time to make sure the lens is working correctly.Bummer

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=1609

[koffiejunkie]

Wow, I better check mine again!

[bwana]

Wow, I better check mine again!TBH I thought it only applied to lenses - the flash was just a bonus :D

[xrapidx]

is the dust in the actual lens?

[koffiejunkie]

is the dust in the actual lens?

As opposed to non-actual parts of the lens? :confused:

To me "in the lens" means in-between the front and rear lens elements.

[xrapidx]

As opposed to non-actual parts of the lens? :confused:

To me "in the lens" means in-between the front and rear lens elements.
lol... yeah - in between the front and back glass.

Is a saving of R6,000 worth the risk?

[koffiejunkie]

lol... yeah - in between the front and back glass.

Is a saving of R6,000 worth the risk?

Assume the worst and add the R450 to clean it to the price. Then ask yourself, is a saving for R5550 any good?

[koffiejunkie]

For what it's worth, I have never had problems buying second-hand stuff from dealers, especially when they're willing to give you a short term warranty. It's buying second-hand goods from dealers that won't give you any warranty, or some random individual, that always seem to cause pain and suffering.

[xrapidx]

For what it's worth, I have never had problems buying second-hand stuff from dealers, especially when they're willing to give you a short term warranty. It's buying second-hand goods from dealers that won't give you any warranty, or some random individual, that always seem to cause pain and suffering.

Fair enough - say something else is wrong with the lens, like the motor, or something - can this be repaired? And how expensive would it be?

I'm trying my luck by offering them R8500 :)

[koffiejunkie]

Fair enough - say something else is wrong with the lens, like the motor, or something - can this be repaired? And how expensive would it be?

Much more expensive. But they're offering you a three month warranty. If it breaks only after three months, it's more likely to be just random bad luck. Unless you let it sit in your camera bag most of the time :)


I'm trying my luck by offering them R8500 :)

Good luck!

[xrapidx]

Much more expensive. But they're offering you a three month warranty. If it breaks only after three months, it's more likely to be just random bad luck. Unless you let it sit in your camera bag most of the time :)



Good luck!

Well - they accepted - I placed the bid for R8500 - hold thumbs - luck has been off lately :p

[mercurial]

You expected canon's L glass to be cheaper than the sigma?

It's a 500mm, so yeah, I thought it would be expensive. Their 200-500mm is R280000, although that's a f2.8.

[bwana]

It's a 500mm, so yeah, I thought it would be expensive. Their 200-500mm is R280000, although that's a f2.8.My Canon 16-35 cost more than my Sigma 150-500mm - it would have been way more had I bought the Canon locally.

[mercurial]

Interesting. I hope the Rand/Dollar rate strengthens in favour of SA. I wanna get some glass :)

[xrapidx]

Going to inspect (and hopefully purchase) the lens 50-500mm lens at 6pm, how much dust on the inside is considered to much? Anyway to tell for someone new (like me).

[koffiejunkie]

Going to inspect (and hopefully purchase) the lens 50-500mm lens at 6pm, how much dust on the inside is considered to much? Anyway to tell for someone new (like me).

Take your tripod, take a few pictures at a fast shutter speed, and go inspect them. Take your laptop along if that will speed things up. If you can't see the dust, it won't matter.

[xrapidx]

To see the dust easier - should i take it at the min, or max length? I'm assuming min.

My main concern is that some kid used it as a shovel :p

[koffiejunkie]

Dunno, try either end. I very much doubt you'll see anything at all even if it's very dusty. It would have to be dusty enough to affect focus.

[xrapidx]

Got the lens for R8500 - looked almost new - I couldn't even see the dust they were referring to.

Took a few photo's and they looked fine on their laptop - true test will be tonight when I try with mine.

The camera focus was a lot quicker than I expected, especially in good light.

The only thing I didn't expect was the weight and size - this thing is HUGE.

Quick questions - is it safe to balance this thing on its tripod mount? It won't damage the camera that the camera isn't touching anything, i.e. in the air.

One weird thing I did notice, the white dot on the lens, and the white dot on the camera body don't line up when you put the lens on... they're about a cm apart.

[BigAl-sa]

The only thing I didn't expect was the weight and size - this thing is HUGE.It is rather large :)


Quick questions - is it safe to balance this thing on its tripod mount? It won't damage the camera that the camera isn't touching anything, i.e. in the air.Here it is on and Ergorest with a 350d hanging on the back. On the table, it will balance nicely on the tripod mount with a 350d when zoomed to the minimum. With a 40d, you have to zoom it to it's maximum to get it to balance. I rather lay the whole thing on it's side.

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/145457282_A8QYA-M.jpg


One weird thing I did notice, the white dot on the lens, and the white dot on the camera body don't line up when you put the lens on... they're about a cm apart.Not sure which white dot you're referring to. The white EF-S dot on the camera's lens mount? The Bigma has an EF mount, so you align it with the red dot.

[xrapidx]

It is rather large :)

Here it is on and Ergorest with a 350d hanging on the back. On the table, it will balance nicely on the tripod mount with a 350d when zoomed to the minimum. With a 40d, you have to zoom it to it's maximum to get it to balance. I rather lay the whole thing on it's side.

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/145457282_A8QYA-M.jpg

Not sure which white dot you're referring to. The white EF-S dot on the camera's lens mount? The Bigma has an EF mount, so you align it with the red dot.

Thanks - wasn't meaning the balance - just wanted to know if it damages the camera at all dangling off the back - I suppose not if it's mean as a tripod mount, so probably was a stupid question.

Yeah - the white EF-S dot, I was lining both up cause they were white - didn't notice it lined up with the red one - thanks for that :p probably would of confused me a few more times :p

[BigAl-sa]

Thanks - wasn't meaning the balance - just wanted to know if it damages the camera at all dangling off the back - I suppose not if it's mean as a tripod mount, so probably was a stupid question.
No, not a stupid question at all. A suggestion from me though, one often tends to want to pick up the whole contraption by picking up the camera. Try not to do this and rather pick it up with two hands, one on the lens and one on the camera (or if you do it one handed, pick up the lens rather). The mount on my 40d has become quite loose and I'm sure it's because of this. With the smaller 350d, I always picked it up by the lens.

Oh, by the way congrats on getting the lens. I also got mine 2nd-hand 3yrs back, for pretty much the same price, so you got a bargain :)

[BigAl-sa]

Hey Bwana, here (http://www.doorhof.nl/blog/index.php?topic=1756.0) is the most positive review I have yet seen on the 150-500 (and he uses a 5d ;)). The reviewer, Frank Doorhof, is a pro glamour photographer, so he has high standards.

[bwana]

Hey Bwana, here (http://www.doorhof.nl/blog/index.php?topic=1756.0) is the most positive review I have yet seen on the 150-500 (and he uses a 5d ;)). The reviewer, Frank Doorhof, is a pro glamour photographer, so he has high standards.Here's my review - It Rocks!

The end :D

[koffiejunkie]

The camera focus was a lot quicker than I expected, especially in good light.

It's got ring type HSM (same thing as the ring type USM in Canon's L glass). Even for the size and weight, I was also impressed with the focus speed. On the smaller lenses it's really nice - on my 10-20, focus is instant, even from near limit to infinity.


Quick questions - is it safe to balance this thing on its tripod mount? It won't damage the camera that the camera isn't touching anything, i.e. in the air.

The lens mount can always support the camera's weight plus a little to allow for the extra weight of a flash and battery grip.


One weird thing I did notice, the white dot on the lens, and the white dot on the camera body don't line up when you put the lens on... they're about a cm apart.

The white dot is irrelevant on full frame lenses - I'm not even sure why Sigma put it on. On crop lenses, the white dot should line up with the white dot on the mount, and on full frame lenses, the red dot should line up with the red dot.


Here's my review - It Rocks!

The end :D

Hehe. I was going to ask: how is it in terms of sharpness (as in pixel peeping level sharpness) at 150 and 500 wide open?

[bwana]

Hehe. I was going to ask: how is it in terms of sharpness (as in pixel peeping level sharpness) at 150 and 500 wide open?I dont think I've even taken anything at 150mm - f/5.6.

[xrapidx]

Can't wait to test mine :p Only realized now it doesn't have OS though :(

Why is the 50-500mm so much more expensive than the 150-500mm? Purely because of the 50-150?

[bwana]

Can't wait to test mine :p Only realized now it doesn't have OS though :(

Why is the 50-500mm so much more expensive than the 150-500mm? Purely because of the 50-150?How?

[xrapidx]

How?

By the first page on this thread - where you list the two lenses :p Not a major issue - but it would of been nice.

Was to confused with the other acronyms to even think of it.

[xrapidx]

Is it worth putting a filter on the end to protect it?

[bwana]

By the first page on this thread - where you list the two lenses :p Not a major issue - but it would of been nice.

Was to confused with the other acronyms to even think of it.Lol - but BigAl-sa mentions the lack of OS in the second post. :p

[xrapidx]

Lol - but BigAl-sa mentions the lack of OS in the second post. :p

Only joined the thread on a later page :p didn't read the whole thing until now :)

[koffiejunkie]

Why is the 50-500mm so much more expensive than the 150-500mm? Purely because of the 50-150?

Adding reach at the wider end is more expensive than at the long end, because keeping things rectilinear is much more complex on the wise end. The 50-500 is also from their "EX" line, while the 150-500 isn't. "EX" is Sigma's pro range, like Canon's "L" and Nikon's "ED."

[bwana]

Only joined the thread on a later page :p didn't read the whole thing until now :)Dont worry about the lack of OS. :) It's too late to do anything about it now. :P
Is it worth putting a filter on the end to protect it?The hood on the 50-500 looks different to mine but it should offer more than enough protection - use it.

EDIT - having a polarising filter might not hurt though

[xrapidx]

EDIT - having a polarising filter might not hurt though

86mm is probably going to cost a small fortune :p

What does the 1.4x and 2x converter go for locally?

[bwana]

86mm is probably going to cost a small fortune :p

What does the 1.4x and 2x converter go for locally?The clear cost over r500 so I can only imagine what the polariser will cost. Still - its one of the few things you cant do in photoshop.

[xrapidx]

The clear cost over r500 so I can only imagine what the polariser will cost. Still - its one of the few things you cant do in photoshop.

Hoya 86mm Circular Polariser R850 (http://www.orms.co.za/product.php?a=view&product=686)

[koffiejunkie]

Hoya 86mm Circular Polariser R850 (http://www.orms.co.za/product.php?a=view&product=686)

That's cheap! Or a mistake. R1500 (http://www.warehouseexpress.com/product/default.aspx?sku=11808) odd over here.

[bwana]

Full moon tonight :)

[mercurial]

Indeed! I need to get my T-mount adaptor so that I can take pics of the moon!

[xrapidx]

What are the best camera settings on this lens?

I'm thinking around 1/60s, low ISO, f/16 ( or something?, 400-500mm? On a tripod of course.

[xrapidx]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricsar96/3098550422/in/pool-50-500

Need a tripod like this :)

[bwana]

What are the best camera settings on this lens?

I'm thinking around 1/60s, low ISO, f/16 ( or something?, 400-500mm? On a tripod of course.For taking photos of . . . . :confused:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricsar96/3098550422/in/pool-50-500

Need a tripod like this :)If you say so


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[xrapidx]

For taking photos of . . . . :confusion:

The moon tonight! :p


If you say so

Its the 50-500mm on a tripod - not sure why its not working

[bwana]

The moon tonight! :p



Its the 50-500mm on a tripod - not sure why its not workingPrivate page.

I'll start off at 500mm f/9 1/80th ISO 100 and go from there. Hand held of course cos thats how I roll. :p

[koffiejunkie]

Full moon tonight :)

And for the first time in two weeks, it's overcast today :( I hope it clears up...


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricsar96/3098550422/in/pool-50-500

Need a tripod like this :)

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[koffiejunkie]

Hand held of course cos thats how I roll. :p

It's in bright daylight, after all. :)

[bwana]

And for the first time in two weeks, it's overcast today :( I hope it clears up...Overcast in London . . . shocker. :p

We've also got minimal light pollution so that also helps. :D

[koffiejunkie]

We've also got minimal light pollution so that also helps. :D

Yeah, that's a problem, although the moon is still much brighter.

[mercurial]

Well the day here in CPT started out sunny and flippin' hot, but it's completely overcast now. This has been happening a lot lately. Hopefully tomorrow will clear up.

[.Froot.]

Bummer

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=1609

3 years on box and 1 year warranty? In the States they now offer a 6 year limited warranty... or at least on the 150-500 OS that I looked at.

[bwana]

3 years on box and 1 year warranty? In the States they now offer a 6 year limited warranty... or at least on the 150-500 OS that I looked at.I was just pointing out that here in SA we get 3 years (I just looked at B&H and they're still 1 year)

[koffiejunkie]

I was just pointing out that here in SA we get 3 years (I just looked at B&H and they're still 1 year)

I guess S.A. has the really old stock :)

[bwana]

I guess S.A. has the really old stock :)
Even if it were true check if I care. Three year warranty on everything? Thank you sigma! :)

[ldmelsa]

I hope it clears up...

We miss you KJ! :(
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/3102343551_c7708211e9_o.jpg
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[bwana]

Full moon tonight :)http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/3102590787_8b6f8c344b.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3102590787/)

//adds 1.4x extender to shopping list . . .

[ldmelsa]

wow
very cool
can see lots of detail on the moon
what's with the small pic? :(

[koffiejunkie]

We miss you KJ! :(

AAAWWWWW!!!!




//adds 1.4x extender to shopping list . . .

Is that image cropped at all, or is that how big it looks on the full image?

[BigAl-sa]

Is that image cropped at all, or is that how big it looks on the full image?From my own experience, I'd reckon it's uncropped.

[bwana]

Is that image cropped at all, or is that how big it looks on the full image?That one is uncropped - the other one is a 100% crop of the same image

[xrapidx]

Here's my attempt last night - took two photo's and my battery went flat :( was to lazy to charge it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/3104438344_f3c60a8a35.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xrapidx/3104438344/)

[.Froot.]

Here's my attempt last night - took two photo's and my battery went flat :( was to lazy to charge it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/3104438344_f3c60a8a35.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xrapidx/3104438344/)

What lense did you use on that one?

[xrapidx]

What lense did you use on that one?

Sigma APO 50-500mm F4-6.3 EX DG HSM :)

[bwana]

Here's my attempt last night - took two photo's and my battery went flat :( was to lazy to charge it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/3104438344_f3c60a8a35.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xrapidx/3104438344/)I'll have to check it later when I'm not on this local only line.

[.Froot.]

Sigma APO 50-500mm F4-6.3 EX DG HSM :)

OK.

A quick question though. My 450D has that internal 1.6x fd, so if I put ie my 18-55mm lens, will it be a 18-55 or a 29-88?

[bwana]

OK.

A quick question though. My 450D has that internal 1.6x fd, so if I put ie my 18-55mm lens, will it be a 18-55 or a 29-88?28-88.

FD? :confused:

[.Froot.]

28-88.

FD? :confused:

Focal Distance... I think they call it a focal distance multiplier or something on the spec sheet where I saw it.

[bwana]

Here's my attempt last night - took two photo's and my battery went flat :( was to lazy to charge it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/3104438344_f3c60a8a35.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xrapidx/3104438344/)Nice - cropped?

[mercurial]

Here's my attempt last night - took two photo's and my battery went flat :( was to lazy to charge it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3264/3104438344_f3c60a8a35.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xrapidx/3104438344/)

Cool. Now when are you gonna connect it to the telescope? :)

[BigAl-sa]

Here's my attempt last night - took two photo's and my battery went flat :( was to lazy to charge it.

The moral (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=147299&p=2349998) of the story:

Definitely the flash - read sdd's thread that I linked in my previous post. The popup flash should only be used as a last resort You could also think of a backup battery rather than the battery grip.

Always useful having a second battery ;)

[xrapidx]

Nice - cropped?

Yeah - probably about 80%.


Cool. Now when are you gonna connect it to the telescope? :)

Still to nervous about connecting it :p Its open, and I imagine a lot of fiber type dust floating around in the barrel of the telescope :p

Do you know an online place to get a T-Connector locally? The one I have doesn't quite fit the camera probably, it feels loose.


The moral (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=147299&p=2349998) of the story:


Always useful having a second battery ;)

Dammit - just came back from Orms - thats the other thing I wanted to get and forgot , I said to the guy I was forgetting something :(

[xrapidx]

@Bwana - what bag do you use to lug all your stuff around, especially with this lens.

I'm considering a Lowepro Mini Trekker AW (http://www.orms.co.za/product.php?a=view&product=360)

[mercurial]

Still to nervous about connecting it :p Its open, and I imagine a lot of fiber type dust floating around in the barrel of the telescope :p

Do you know an online place to get a T-Connector locally? The one I have doesn't quite fit the camera probably, it feels loose.



I bought mine at Noyes pharmacy in Wynberg. You might wanna try www.technopro.co.za as well. I connected mine just yesterday to make sure it all fits, and it does.




What bag do you use to lug all your stuff around, especially with this lens.

I'm considering a Lowepro Mini Trekker AW (http://www.orms.co.za/product.php?a=view&product=360)

I have this one but got it for cheaper at SAcamera.

[bwana]

@Bwana - what bag do you use to lug all your stuff around, especially with this lens. An Audi. . .

Seriously - I have a Kata (R101 iirc) which is great as it holds most of my gear (including the Acer Aspire One). I've got a second bag (Lowepro) that I keep the second body in and then the 150-500 came in a great padded case so I just carry that as it which is just as well as it wont fit in anything else that I own.

[xrapidx]

Is the Acer Aspire One the netbook? Hows that working out? I've been considering one.

[xrapidx]

I bought mine at Noyes pharmacy in Wynberg. You might wanna try www.technopro.co.za as well. I connected mine just yesterday to make sure it all fits, and it does.



I have this one but got it for cheaper at SAcamera.

Thanks - I'll have a look.

[bwana]

Is the Acer Aspire One the netbook? Hows that working out? I've been considering one.Depends on what you want to use it for. The large HDD and built in card reader (not for CF though) make it an ideal storage device and fair lightweight photo viewer.

Great for surfing the net around the house too but then it was designed for that. :)

[xrapidx]

Depends on what you want to use it for. The large HDD and built in card reader (not for CF though) make it an ideal storage device and fair lightweight photo viewer.

Great for surfing the net around the house too but then it was designed for that. :)

I basically want it for storing photo's while traveling, and to use when I fly up to Jhb. for internet and email - tired of lugging around my huge laptop... :)

[bwana]

I basically want it for storing photo's while traveling, and to use when I fly up to Jhb. for internet and email - tired of lugging around my huge laptop... :)http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=148912

[BigAl-sa]

Ok, finally got around to taking a pic of my backpack, the Tamrac Expedition 5.

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/436974052_wyko3-M.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/436974052_wyko3-O.jpg)

Contents cw from camera:
40d + Sigma 24-135
Kenko extension tubes
430ex Flash
Sigma 105 macro and Sigma 10-20
Bigma
If I'm doing nature pics, the Bigma is on the camera in the centre slot, with the other three lenses in the slot that the Bigma is in in the pic.
On the flap is a beamer for the 430ex (I normally just leave it lying loose in the bag). In the mesh pockets, memory, remote, misc lens caps, quick release plate and batteries. In the attached side pocket, filters for the various lenses (I also have a larger pocket, which I can't find at the mo, for the 580ex - it's nice to be able to get to the flash without opening the bag).

With the flap closed, showing the outside pockets. I keep the PD70x external storage device in the outside pocket together with a set of batteries.

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/436974045_HCK8a-M.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/436974045_HCK8a-O.jpg)

My brother-in-law has the Expedition 7, which is quite a bit larger. The problem I find with it is that it gets unmanageably heavy as one tends to fill it with too much stuff.

I also have a Lowepro Slingshot 200 which I use for everyday kind of use. In that I take the 24-135, 10-20, 580ex, PD70x and batteries and memory (and of course the 40d too).

[koffiejunkie]

You like your Sigma glass! :) Do you have any Canon glass?

[BigAl-sa]

You like your Sigma glass! :) Do you have any Canon glass?Not really. ;)



(Ok, kit lens and 75-300 III, neither of which I use. My missus takes some pretty decent shots with the 75-300.)

[xrapidx]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/3102590787_8b6f8c344b.jpg?v=0 (http://flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3102590787/)

//adds 1.4x extender to shopping list . . .
Do you know what they go for locally? I can only find the 2x.

Here's a 1.4 on BoB http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/10463555/SIGMA_AF_1_4x_TELECONVERTER_for_CANON.html

[BigAl-sa]

Do you know what they go for locally? I can only find the 2x.

Here's a 1.4 on BoB http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/10463555/SIGMA_AF_1_4x_TELECONVERTER_for_CANON.htmlCanon stuff is expensive:
http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/category.aspx?categoryID=89

See if you can find Sigma or Kenko converters. Much cheaper:
http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/category.aspx?categoryID=326

[bwana]

Do you know what they go for locally? I can only find the 2x.

Here's a 1.4 on BoB http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/item/10463555/SIGMA_AF_1_4x_TELECONVERTER_for_CANON.html1.4x is plenty enough for the time being . . . and a 2x means losing autofocus so I'm not particularly interested.

[xrapidx]

1.4x is plenty enough for the time being . . . and a 2x means losing autofocus so I'm not particularly interested.

Yeh - read up on that - Apparently you can 'fix' it by somehow sticking the AF button in the ON position.

[bwana]

Yeh - read up on that - Apparently you can 'fix' it by somehow sticking the AF button in the ON position.Good luck with that. ;)

I also want to use the same extender with my canon f/4 70-200 L and dont feel like taping up the contacts and hope it will lock on eventually.

[BigAl-sa]

1.4x is plenty enough for the time being . . . and a 2x means losing autofocus so I'm not particularly interested.You'll lose autofocus with the 1.4x as well. Canon xxD and xxxD cameras need a minimum aperture of f5.6 to autofocus. The Bigma and the 150-500 are already at f6.3 to start (they lie to the camera about the minimum f-stop). If you add a 1.4x to these lenses, the minimum aperture is about f9, so even a 1-series camera won't autofocus (minimum aperture for AF on 1-series is f8). If you use third party TCs, these lenses will sometimes autofocus, but very slowly and very erratically.

I'm afraid manual focus is the only way with a TC...


By adding an APO teleconverter (sold separately), you can use this lens as a 140-700mm F7.3-8.8 MF ultra-telephoto zoom lens with a 1.4X EX teleconverter, or as a 200-1000mm F10.4-12.6 MF ultra-telephoto zoom lens with a 2X teleconverter.(Teleconverters can be used in 100mm – 500mm focal length range)
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3307&navigator=3

[bwana]

You'll lose autofocus with the 1.4x as well. Canon xxD and xxxD cameras need a minimum aperture of f5.6 to autofocus. The Bigma and the 150-500 are already at f6.3 to start (they lie to the camera about the minimum f-stop). If you add a 1.4x to these lenses, the minimum aperture is about f9, so even a 1-series camera won't autofocus (minimum aperture for AF on 1-series is f8). If you use third party TCs, these lenses will sometimes autofocus, but very slowly and very erratically.

I'm afraid manual focus is the only way with a TC...


http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3307&navigator=3I figured that was a possibility but I know I can keep AF on my 70-200 if I use the 1.4 so it might still be worth it.

[koffiejunkie]

Anyone have any experience with the Sigma APO 150-500mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3348&navigator=3)?

I'm currently torn between that and the Sigma APO 50-500mm F4-6.3 EX DG HSM (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/lenses_all_details.asp?id=3307&navigator=3) - AKA the "Bigma".

I know this is a bit late, but hopefully it might benefit someone in the future:

Sigma 150-500, Sigma 120-400, Canon 100-400 and Sigma 50-500 compared (http://www.juzaphoto.com/eng/articles/canon_100-400_sigma_120-400_150-500_50-500.htm).

[xrapidx]

Check this photo taken with the 50-500mm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/countrywide-images/3181911249/

Didn't no it was macro capable :p

[BigAl-sa]

Check this photo taken with the 50-500mm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/countrywide-images/3181911249/

Didn't no it was macro capable :p

Here's a cicada taken at night. My missus had to shine a torch on it for the AF to work :eek:

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/46509571_yycX9-M.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/46509571_yycX9-O.jpg)

I can't remember, but I think I used a monopod for support.

[koffiejunkie]

bwana, now that you've had this one for a while, a quick question. How is it for portraits and macro? Is the bokeh nice?

[bwana]

Its not a bad portrait lens though I prefer the 50mm f/1.8 or the 70-200 f/4. It's not really suitable for macro and the OS chows battery like I've never seen but I do really like the lens (even if I dont get to use it as often as I would like).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3410257842_3448aac515_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3410257842/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3550/3409448233_b9c2b1738b_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3409448233/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3544/3410257356_0c7bcb931a_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3410257356/)

[koffiejunkie]

Thanks. I'm thinking of getting this as the first lens with whatever camera I end up buying (other than the 24-105L). Have once in a lifetime event in August that I'm going to need all the focal length I can get, preferably one that I can handhold. I can't seem to find any places that have this lens for rent so it looks like I'll have to buy.

[bwana]

Thanks. I'm thinking of getting this as the first lens with whatever camera I end up buying (other than the 24-105L). Have once in a lifetime event in August that I'm going to need all the focal length I can get, preferably one that I can handhold. I can't seem to find any places that have this lens for rent so it looks like I'll have to buy.How did you know I was visiting the UK then? :confused:

[koffiejunkie]

How did you know I was visiting the UK then? :confused:

That's not a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence, is it? BTW, I like taking people pictures on the wider side of 50mm. And if my plans work out I won't be in the UK for most of August anyway...

Anyway, the event for is my burning little secret for now. At least until I know there's a possibility that I can go.

[bwana]

So someone just said to me would you like a "doubler" . . .

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=3190

My Sigma 150-500 just got a little bigger :D I'm ready for those whales now!

[ldmelsa]

looks like that mission to the Hubble was not necessary
should have just asked bwana :eek:

[koffiejunkie]

What's that thingy at the end of the lens? Oh wait, it's your camera!

[bwana]

looks like that mission to the Hubble was not necessary
should have just asked bwana :eek::) Hope the sky stays clear - I'm curious how the moon will look though it. :)


What's that thingy at the end of the lens? Oh wait, it's your camera!Yeah . . . I've put the grip on now. :o

[koffiejunkie]

Is it a 1.4x or a 2x?

[bwana]

Is it a 1.4x or a 2x?
2x

[koffiejunkie]

Nice. What brand?

[bwana]

Nice. What brand?Vivitar

[xrapidx]

photo?

[koffiejunkie]

I curious about how well that will work with your 70-200L

[bwana]

photo?Just went outside and took this

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2467/3619042760_ce39bf7303.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3619042760/)

And I will concede that IS is handy . . . when shooting at 1000mm ;)

[xrapidx]

Cool - does auto-focus work?

[bwana]

Cool - does auto-focus work?Nope - it doesnt work on my 70-200 L f/4 either.

[bwana]

That moon shot just looked wrong so I converted it to black and white :)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2463/3619136700_e49488869a.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3619136700/)

[chau]

woah!!!! very nice bwana! now you have a mini telescope on the end of your camera :O

[xrapidx]

Prefer the black and white one - whats the full size quality like?

[koffiejunkie]

Cool - does auto-focus work?

A 2x TC loses 2 stops of light. That makes bwana's 150-500 f/5-6.3 something like a f10-12.6 and the 70-200 f/4 becomes a 70-200 f/8. I don't thing even the 1D bodies will autofocus on that.

[SubliminalThought]

A 2x TC loses 2 stops of light. That makes bwana's 150-500 f/5-6.3 something like a f10-12.6 and the 70-200 f/4 becomes a 70-200 f/8. I don't thing even the 1D bodies will autofocus on that.

I've been looking into TCs alot recently. I've decided to get a 2x and most likely will get the canon. From what I've read the 1D Mark III can focus at F8. xxxD and xxD bodies can focus at F5.6 or larger, and the cross type sensor only kicks in at F2.8 or larger.

The reports about IQ is a bit mixed. Some say its acceptable, some say you will have to stop down even a bit more to get acceptable results and others are saying its not worth the effort.

[koffiejunkie]

I've been looking into TCs alot recently. I've decided to get a 2x and most likely will get the canon. From what I've read the 1D Mark III can focus at F8. xxxD and xxD bodies can focus at F5.6 or larger, and the cross type sensor only kicks in at F2.8 or larger.

Actually the xxD bodies have 9 cross types, which are all good for f/5.6. The center point is more sensitive, kinda like three stripes crossed, where the third one only kicks in at f/2.8 or faster.

This is, I believe, why a lot of people struggle with the xxD AF and resort to using only the center point. All 9 points are really sensitive, and it's pretty easy to lock focus on something other than the center if you're not shooting with a fast lens.

[xrapidx]

Yeh, I only use the center point on my 50D.

Quick question, whats the issue with focusing after F8? Does it apply to all lenses?

[SubliminalThought]

The focusing issue is the AF. The bodies when it detects a lens attached with an aperture too small for the AF to work reliably it turns off AF. You are still left with manually focusing the lens. Apparently there are ways to fool the body by taping certain pins which relay the aperture info from the lens to the body. This enables AF but without enough light coming in the AF will hunting to try and get lock and then just give up.

[bwana]

I just realised that 2x extender turns my 16-35 into a very useful lens . . . . flipping massve but useful :D

[koffiejunkie]

32-70? Not far off from a 24-70. Does my ranting and raving about the 24-105 now make a little more sense? :)

[bwana]

32-70? Not far off from a 24-70. Does my ranting and raving about the 24-105 now make a little more sense? :)I dont recall the R&R so no. :o

I take it you've bought another on then?

[koffiejunkie]

I take it you've bought another on then?

Sadly no. :( Other things are higher on the budget-for list, unfortunately. But I will. Some day...

[BigAl-sa]

Sadly no. :( Other things are higher on the budget-for list, unfortunately. But I will. Some day...
My walkaround lens is the Sigma 24-135 - unfortunately, they don't make it anymore, but you could have a look for a 2nd hand one - it should be dirt cheap. Worth looking at until your finances look up :)

It's also faster than the 24-105, so bg separation is better:

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/550658761_YzQen-S.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/550658761_YzQen-O.jpg)

[koffiejunkie]

My walkaround lens is the Sigma 24-135 - unfortunately, they don't make it anymore, but you could have a look for a 2nd hand one - it should be dirt cheap. Worth looking at until your finances look up

I have the 18-200mm IS now, which is a fine lens. The things I miss about the 24-105L are the build quality (cheapish and the solid part between the zoom ring and focus ring is actually part of the zoom ring - turns with it, which makes attaching the lens tricky unless you enable the zoom lock), but far more important, the ring-type USM driven AF - quiet, instant, accurate.

[SubliminalThought]

i have the 24-105 and its my walk around lens. I love it. Even tho some reviews say this lens really shines on FF, on the APS-C, I think its awesome. With the 17-85, I hardy used the wide end that much for my shooting style and was always looking for a little bit more reach out of a general purpose lens. Bought the 24-105 and have absolutely no regrets.

[bwana]

With the 2x TC and this lens I'm ready for the next full moon.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2661/3679116930_9670f52c45.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3679116930/)

A tripod that supports it all might also come in handy.

[koffiejunkie]

I'm wondering how that Canon EF 1200mm f/5.6 would work with a 2x TC for moon shots?

[bwana]

I've learnt that you need a lot of light if you're going to use the 2x TC - on the other hand I've learnt that I can also throw a lot of light at it which has its uses. I got some amazing portraits with my 16-35 with the 2x and my flash.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3710638394_213dff66dc.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3710638394/)

I think I'm going to try some longish exposure stuff next.

[koffiejunkie]

With the 2x TC and this lens I'm ready for the next full moon.

Did you get it? Was cloudy here, sadly.


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2661/3679116930_9670f52c45.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/3679116930/)

I'd love to see the full size version of that.


I've learnt that you need a lot of light if you're going to use the 2x TC

Fortunately the moon i in direct sunlight. My biggest problem with the moon is it moves quite a bit...

[bwana]

I'd love to see the full size version of that.
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/106563/Fullmoon.jpg

[ToxicBunny]

Thats impressive bwana.. v v impressive

[koffiejunkie]

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/106563/Fullmoon.jpg

Whaaaa! I can almost see Neil Armstrong's footsteps!

[koffiejunkie]

bwana, was this with the TC or not? Just curous if the EXIF reflect the TC because it shows 500mm and f/6.3

[bwana]

bwana, was this with the TC or not? Just curous if the EXIF reflect the TC because it shows 500mm and f/6.3Yes - the TC doesnt register in the exif.

[bwana]

Sometimes timing is just being at right place at the right time with the right gear.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3484/3734681826_4ce3529ba1_b.jpg

[BigAl-sa]

Nice!

In burst mode?

[bwana]

Nice!

In burst mode?Yeah - cropped them a bit but they're sequential shots - fortunately I didnt have my TC on otherwise they'd probably be blurry :o

EDIT - the first shot did precede the second one by a few seconds - the rest were a burst including one between the 5th and the 6th that I left out.

[koffiejunkie]

Very nice!

[bwana]

Very nice!Thanks - the exposure was a bit off as I had just whipped off the TC, as was the WB, but it was an easy enough fix in post (you know why ;)).

[koffiejunkie]

Of course I do :) Is that 150-500mm usable hand-held?

[bwana]

Of course I do :) Is that 150-500mm usable hand-held?Very - I had it there on a monopod (again, due to having been using the TC) but I prefer to hand hold it.

[koffiejunkie]

I find the monopod awkward to use. Maybe because it's not tall enough to have the camera at the right height when I'm standing.

[BigAl-sa]

I find the monopod awkward to use. Maybe because it's not tall enough to have the camera at the right height when I'm standing.Enter the monopod bucket:

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/71489988_BPCYS-S.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/71489988_BPCYS-O.jpg)

[koffiejunkie]

That looks painful. I'm liking Joe MacNally's grip (http://www.joemcnally.com/blog/2008/03/10/da-grip/) more.

[bwana]

Enter the monopod bucket:

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/71489988_BPCYS-S.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/71489988_BPCYS-O.jpg)I'd be too worried about missing the bucket . . . :eek:

[ToxicBunny]

:eek:

That thing looks like it could be fatal if it slips... *ouch*

[BigAl-sa]

:D

Don't worry guys, you move it around past your nuts, depending on which eye you use :D

Samples using the monopod bucket (Bigma @ 500):

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/326339157_8Wpno-S.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/326339157_8Wpno-O.jpg)

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/75175399_JduT6-S.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/75175399_JduT6-O.jpg)

[bwana]

Enter the monopod bucket:

http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/71489988_BPCYS-S.jpg (http://bigal-sa.smugmug.com/photos/71489988_BPCYS-O.jpg)How do you quickly angle up or down without thrusting you hips around to the point that you look like a bit of a perv with a rather long lens?

[BigAl-sa]

How do you quickly angle up or down without thrusting you hips around to the point that you look like a bit of a perv with a rather long lens?
I use this head (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/pTPMFH234RC/Manfrotto-234RC-Monopod-Quick-Realease-TiltTop.aspx) (as does the oke in my pic), which allows for the tilting. To adjust the height, it's just a flick of one of the locks on the monopod. I do these adjustments without thinking and without the Rocky Horror "pelvic thrust" :D

[bwana]

I use this head (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/pTPMFH234RC/Manfrotto-234RC-Monopod-Quick-Realease-TiltTop.aspx) (as does the oke in my pic), which allows for the tilting. To adjust the height, it's just a flick of one of the locks on the monopod. I do these adjustments without thinking and without the Rocky Horror "pelvic thrust" :DR500 for that :eek: I dont think my monopod came even close to half of that. I'll stick to free standing.

[BigAl-sa]

R500 for that :eek: I dont think my monopod came even close to half of that. I'll stick to free standing.
Wow! What kind of monopod is that cheap? :eek:

The quick release clamp on the head is worth its weight in gold in swapping between monopod, tripod and handholding. The clamp alone is also not cheap (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/pTAMFH323/Manfrotto-323-Rectangular-Plate-Adaptor.aspx).

[bwana]

Wow! What kind of monopod is that cheap? :eek:

The quick release clamp on the head is worth its weight in gold in swapping between monopod, tripod and handholding. The clamp alone is also not cheap (http://www.outdoorphotoshop.co.za/pTAMFH323/Manfrotto-323-Rectangular-Plate-Adaptor.aspx).I seem to recall my Slik 350 being that cheap and still sturdy enough to get the job done. After so many clips popped off on my Manfroto tripod I'm not prepared to spend so much anymore.

If i have my tripod I tend not to have my monopod and vice versa so swapping isnt an issue.

EDIT - my new dilemma . . . do I want to cart this lens abroad?

[koffiejunkie]

How do you quickly angle up or down without thrusting you hips around to the point that you look like a bit of a perv with a rather long lens?


... "pelvic thrust" :D

You guys are giving new meaning to the term "camera porn" :eek:


Wow! What kind of monopod is that cheap? :eek:

My Manfrotto was much less than R500. Don't remember the exchange rate but it was something like £25. Sans head, of course.

[xrapidx]

Well - I'm not using mine nearly as much as I'd hope - what would these things sell for 2nd hand? I'd rather get a lens I'll use more often.

I have the 50-500mm

[bwana]

Didn't they just release an updated version of the Bigma with IS? I've got a Bigmos I need to get rid of.