cable for south africa?

[bradleyzorg]

its true!keep a look out, itll be here soon!ill post more closer to releae date.

[mbs]

Sure this doesn't fall within the realm of pie-in-the-sky or mere wishful thinking? Deployment would entail fixing the regulatory environment first, and I haven't heard a peep from those in the corridors of power about this - mebbe my people-in-the-know are just mushrooms these days...

[regardtv]

Not to mention that the cables will get stolen on a weekly basis.

Even the alarmed cable systems (Telkom-Rosebank) still gets nailed on a far too regular basis.

R

[Andre]

I never hear about cable theft in Cape Town. Is it a regional thing?

[Luke7777]

We use it up north to cut down on delivery costs. Put the stuff in one place, sure as hell next morning it's gone :-)
(Updated)
But look where it ends up...
http://www.eskom.co.za/pressOffice/intheNews/viewEskomNews.asp?Id=2147

[Andre]

Yikes, and we end up paying for it in the end.

[antowan]

If the punishment doesn't fit the crime (eg. stop it) then make it more harsh!

Simple: Steal cable, lose balls.

Let me repeat it: Steal cable, lose balls.

[}:)]

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<br />Yikes, and we end up paying for it in the end.
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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous

[mbs]

Nope - the thieves should be locked up until they learn the error of their ways. It's the ***kers that buy the stuff who should be castrated - if there were no buyers, there would be no market or motivation for the theft - where did I read or hear about some ***eholes in Cape Town or Durban somewhere, who were busy exporting melted plates made from stolen cable?

[antowan]

Sorry, maybe I was unclear. Everybody in the chain of theft should have the B's cut off...

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<br />Nope - the thieves should be locked up until they learn the error of their ways. It's the ***kers that buy the stuff who should be castrated - if there were no buyers, there would be no market or motivation for the theft - where did I read or hear about some ***eholes in Cape Town or Durban somewhere, who were busy exporting melted plates made from stolen cable?


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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous

[bradleyzorg]

what? this form isnt about cable theft...

well here in cape town more in somersetwest there is a huge cable network installed by one of the sister companies i work for. roll out will happen soon. with varius packages availibl to sute your pocket and needs.

[martin]

bradley, I think the idea of a cable television network in South Africa just seems highly unlikely to most people on this forum. We've just read about too many things that never see the light of day. Add to that the failure of the SNO, failure to deliver a decent and reliable broadband service by both Sentech and Telkom. Icasa's failure to keep a leash on Telkom. It all nurtures a certain level of cynicism. That's where most of us are coming from, but please if you have some reliable/trustworthy info on this, please do share.

[Andre]

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<br />what? this form isnt about cable theft...

well here in cape town more in somersetwest there is a huge cable network installed by one of the sister companies i work for. roll out will happen soon. with varius packages availibl to sute your pocket and needs.
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Is this in competion to DSTV? Are they going to offer cable internet as well?

[bradleyzorg]

cable isnt in comp with dstv... its dstv via able... the infrastructure is inplace in 2 areas in somersetwest/strand. its been there for over 6 months now.(and no there hasnt been any cable theft). there is 3 big partner companies working together to goe this project off the ground 1. being a international isp. 2. being a cable networks/dstv companie 3.being a company which puts 1 and 2 together and makes high speed internet possible. there is no big corperate's involved. the product will be aimed at the home user which likes adsl speed(and more) at mywireless prices(if not cheaper)

[TheVoice]

....But....and dare I even ask...will it be capped?

[freeek]

whats the name of this company? what is their website? where are you getting your info?

..- dot dot dash ;)

[lewstherin]

and finally how the hell is this not illegal????

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[bradleyzorg]

1. www.psimax.co.za this is the company im working for.
2. no no cap!!
3. im getting the info because im the only one that gets told whats happening with the projects. there is no one else who would know anything about this(i recon)

[Jerrek]

Will the cable network be DOCSIS 2.0 compliant? Or euroDOCSIS? What is the frequency spread, and how many MHz are allocated per channel? How many channels will it have?

[bradleyzorg]

the max per end connection is 40Mb/ps ill have to look at the frequency and specs of the hardware. all the hardware is supplied by a german company. i dont wanna give the name out just yet though. but iv been doing some tests ant the results are great.

pings and latency are just like being on an internal network! with a radius of 15-20kelometers

[martin]

Big question remains: how the hell is this not illegal????

[bradleyzorg]

i havnt found any info saying this is illegal... if anybody finds anything, let me know.

[martin]

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<br />i havnt found any info saying this is illegal... if anybody finds anything, let me know.
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Well, there will be cable running across (under) streets providing users with connectivity. As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to this being illegal and only Telkom have a license to provide this service.

Either this is illegal or said company have acquired the necessary licenses.

[mbs]

See this link, specifically refer to sections 41 (1) and (2):

http://www.internet.org.za/telecoms_act.html#Private_telecommunication_networ ks

[martin]

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<br />See this link, specifically refer to sections 41 (1) and (2):

http://www.internet.org.za/telecoms_act.html#Private_telecommunication_networ ks
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Okay, I think i got the idea. Apparently it's cool as long as they terminate their network with Telkom? Do I understand it correctly?

[bradleyzorg]

yeh, its all the same rules as broadcasting on the 2.4ghz spectrum. but the law does state that you maynot do this over a PUBLIC road.

on the other hand there is a company in durban which has been offering a simular *mywireless* product for 4 or so years now, i spoke to one of the guys there, asking how thay been up so long. and its all because there is still so many grey areas in the rule book.

[bradleyzorg]

what else i found out... if you are a person(s) supplying any form of internet be it dialup or sat you need a license. i cant remember what one though. so basicly weer all %u$ced? nope we all know how to install a dialup and weev all helped a buddie before?

i promise that nobody is gonna go to jail for installing a dialup modem.

[martin]

I don't really understand your last post bradleyzorg. what has dialup have to do with cable?

[freeek]

I agree with martin. that made no sense bradleyzorg.

..- dot dot dash ;)

[bradleyzorg]

the cable project will be rolled out in a way that no people will be held at risk of breaking any laws in south africa.

sheez that pust that aside.

[Jerrek]

You make absolutely no sense. Would you care to write some paragraphs with proper grammar and explain exactly what is going on?

[mbs]

Errr, BRADLEYZORG: Whatcha smoking, boet? Your posting makes less sense than some of our useless politicos...

[Chris]

Bradleyzorg, are you playing mind-games with us???

Your posts seem a littl 'twisted' like a snake that has got a head and tail mixed up

[TheVoice]

<i> Bradleyzorg, are you playing mind-games with us???</i>

Probably: I believed the whole Sentech wireless boradband thing when I heard about it last year only because they had a website with a reasonably decent amount of information regarding the proposed connections etc.
I've heard nothing whatsoever of this cable thing other than this thread, and the website of "Psimax" (assuming that's the company that will be doing this whole cable thing) seems completely unfit and unprepared for something so huge.

In my opinion the whole thing is BS - maybe cable will be rolled out by some other company but it sure-as-hell won't be this Psimax, and I'm also pretty sure I or someone else here would have heard about it already.

Taken with a pinch of salt...

[bradleyzorg]

i should hav never opened this post...
when you do hear about cable in south africa, remember my name.

if there is one thing which people lack in south africa, it would be vision.

[mbs]

Come now, BRADLEYZORG - no need for the petulant response. All we're trying to do is understand exactly what it is you're saying, given that we're all somewhat suspicious and cynical of any offerings that might contravene directly, or suitably avoid, existing regulatory provisions. At the same time, however, we're all for any initiative that would provide improved broadband services to the general public, particularly if these are cost-effective and duly serve to poke both Telkrap and Sintech in the eye. We're not trying to trash what you're saying, but would dearly love to understand it properly, suitably supported by the use of correct grammar and spelling to aid understanding...

[Chris]

As mbs says we're trying to understand what you're saying. on your last two replies, the things you say are very random.

Just read through your posts again and try to think of another person reading it. Does it make sense?

[Cloud]

hey rooney, glad to c that u have become a productive part of the community. when u first burst on the scene here there was heavy flaming going on. glad u settled in.

ps. "c" means "see" and "u" means "you". just wanted to make that clear.

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death - life is only a dream - and we're the imagination of ourselves.” – Bill Hicks

[Chris]

Lol cloud[:D]

When I first joined I didn't know how 'mature' it's compared to NAG forums or propechy

[Cloud]

like a good steak, u have matured well young wayne...

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death - life is only a dream - and we're the imagination of ourselves.” – Bill Hicks

[bradleyzorg]

i see, sorry for the miss understanding.

i come from a technical background, and doing this kinda thing is not me* if you know what i mean.

i will draft a letter, with valid points and make it real clear of whats going on with the cable situation in south afica.

i will obtain more info on the subject and relay it onto the people who are interested in; like you said, cheap broadband access.

oh, and trust me there will be none of this capping story involved iether.

sorry if i got you all confused.

brad

[mbs]

Great stuff - thanx...

[martin]

thanks bradley

[Nickste]

Yeah, shot m8 =&gt;

Something that would be quite interesting to find out, is where they get their bandwidth from. Not only locally, but internationally as well. You mentioned something about it being cheap broadband, however, with the prices of int. bandwidth set by Telkom, i am unsure on how cheap they can go compared to those already providing "broadband"

This aside, a competitor is always a welcomed sight!

Chow, Nick

Nick Smit
broadband@nicksmit dot za dot net

[freeek]

yo Nickste :

does ngr computers have that momo race steeringwheel from logitec?

..- dot dot dash ;)

[bradleyzorg]

yo, nickste. at this present time there is only the cable network which is in place. we still have to chose a bandwidth source, be it 8 meg international and a 8 meg pipe to jinx. there will be a combination of B/W sources to make national and international as fast as possible.

pricing will come shortly after that.

weer looking a a launch date of early next year. but we all know how hard it is to stick to dates. [;)]

will keep ya all informed.