eight, married to 58-year-old is denied divorce

[mezu]

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-12-23-saudi-girl-eight-married-to-58yearold-is-denied-divorce

This just demonic..



Relatives said the marriage had not been consummated..

I don't believe what I am reading..some people are just not people!

[Slaine73]

FFS How can it be consummated???!!!! WTF is Fuscking wrong with these people???!!!! The earth should be wiped clean of people like this:mad::mad:

[R/SGT]

I really disagree with this practice.

However with regard to the consummation


They said that the father had set a verbal condition by which the marriage is not consummated for another 10 years, when the girl turns 18.

I sure his word is his bond :sick:

This sound like human trafficking to me


The father had agreed to marry off his daughter for an advance dowry of £5,000, as he was apparently facing financial problems, they said.

[gdiza]

Let's all club together and organise a hitman, a professional.

Have this guy killed and then the 8 year old is sorted to carry on with life :)

[Frankie]

Let's all club together and organise a hitman, a professional.

Have this guy killed and then the 8 year old is sorted to carry on with life :)
You'll need an army, not just a hitman, because this is not an isolated incident.

[mezu]

You'll need an army, not just a hitman, because this is not an isolated incident.

+1 true..lots of these cases go unheard

[marine1]

You'll need an army, not just a hitman, because this is not an isolated incident.
+2

[Slaine73]

Let's all club together and organise a hitman, a professional.

Have this guy killed and then the 8 year old is sorted to carry on with life :)

If only we could. The hitman would be happy though, he'll have business for the rest of his life:D

[Balstrome]

But is that not what the god Mahamad ordered, You can not go against the word of a god.

[marine1]

really civilised bunch

[zeb]

Sickening :sick:

And yet all around the world people have to tiptoe around saying or doing anything to offend the Muslim religion. But when it comes to Christian bashing it's a free for all :(

[marine1]

Damn Christians :D

[Slaine73]

I can't understand it either. Whole governments are afraid of offending Muslims, but everybody can say what they want about Christians and nobody says anything. If it was then only a peaceful religion like all the others why are so many people scared to say anything about them while all other religions are fair game?

[charlie_82]

But is that not what the god Mahamad ordered, You can not go against the word of a god.

Mohammed is a prophet dude, not a God ;)

[charlie_82]

I can't understand it either. Whole governments are afraid of offending Muslims, but everybody can say what they want about Christians and nobody says anything. If it was then only a peaceful religion like all the others why are so many people scared to say anything about them while all other religions are fair game?

LOL I think it's like the black/white thing.
Read a rant where someone was saying black people have black only beauty pageants & colleges but whites would be crucified for doing the same

[Slaine73]

LOL I think it's like the black/white thing.
Read a rant where someone was saying black people have black only beauty pageants & colleges but whites would be crucified for doing the same

Very true

[marine1]

Very true
+1

[mezu]

LOL I think it's like the black/white thing.
Read a rant where someone was saying black people have black only beauty pageants & colleges but whites would be crucified for doing the same

I know what you mean..

[Syndyre]

That's just wrong.

[krycor]

So lets see this.. Saudi people do it so its part of the religion? Does that make what the priests did part of the religion too? because i thought it was just an abuse of power/situation where you use laws to achieve something bad.

Maybe i was wrong, maybe the christian religion is responsible for the priests and not the priests themselves? That to me is a silly notion.. but i guess some people think its 'ok'.

[marine1]

What are you talking about though? What did priests do?

[Frankie]

So lets see this.. Saudi people do it so its part of the religion? Does that make what the priests did part of the religion too? because i thought it was just an abuse of power/situation where you use laws to achieve something bad.

Maybe i was wrong, maybe the christian religion is responsible for the priests and not the priests themselves? That to me is a silly notion.. but i guess some people think its 'ok'.
I guess you're referring to the molesting of children by a small number of priests - that is condemned in the Christian religion AFAIK.

[mezu]

The issue is that, women and girls are treated as commodities in these cases. It is as if the men in the region were not born by women. Anybody born of a woman should want to cherish and defend the women in their life IMO..

[JHatman]

Quite frankly, I say let them do whatever they want to in the middle east and practice whatever monolithic practices they see fit. They must just stay out of our countries if they're unwilling to act civilized and obey our laws :)

[Garyvdh]

Let's all club together and organise a hitman, a professional.

Have this guy killed and then the 8 year old is sorted to carry on with life :)

They are one step ahead of you. Widows are treated about the same as dogs in the Middle East. She is nothing without her "husband". :(

[charlie_82]

They are one step ahead of you. Widows are treated about the same as dogs in the Middle East. She is nothing without her "husband". :(

Too true

[daveza]

Some interesting marriageable ages :-

China, People's Republic of: 22 for males, 20 for females.

South Africa: 18. There are provisions made for respecting the marriage laws of traditional marriages, whereby a person might be married as young as 12 for females and 14 for males.

Sudan: Puberty, with requirement for willing consent of both parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

Generally the marriageable age for women is two years younger than for males ?

[charlie_82]

Some interesting marriageable ages :-

China, People's Republic of: 22 for males, 20 for females.

South Africa: 18. There are provisions made for respecting the marriage laws of traditional marriages, whereby a person might be married as young as 12 for females and 14 for males.

Sudan: Puberty, with requirement for willing consent of both parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

Generally the marriageable age for women is two years younger than for males ?

LOL yes, it's the belief of many that girls mature earlier than boys. Even here is SA, the legal age for engaging in sex is 16 for girls & 18 boys

[Syndyre]

LOL yes, it's the belief of many that girls mature earlier than boys. Even here is SA, the legal age for engaging in sex is 16 for girls & 18 boys

Wasn't that changed?

[charlie_82]

Wasn't that changed?

Not that I'm aware of. Anything's possible I suppose

[daveza]

Sounds discriminatory....

[Syndyre]

Not that I'm aware of. Anything's possible I suppose

According to Wikipedia:


Since 1 January 2008, the age of consent in South Africa is 16 years, regardless of sexual orientation and gender-neutral. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Africa#South_Africa)

I don't think they could justify having different standards anyway.

[daveza]

Looks like the female age has dropped to 15.

http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/civil_marriage.asp


Consent to marriage of a minor
For purposes of the Marriage Act, 1961 (Act No. 25 of 1961) a minor is a person under 21 years who has not been married before. The following requirements apply:

Where both parents are alive, and neither of the parents has sole guardianship of the minor, both parents must consent, in writing on form BI-32, to the marriage.

Boys under 18 and girls under 15, in addition to the consent of the parents or guardian, as the case may be, also require the consent of the Minister of Home Affairs (Section 26 of Act 25 of 1961). In terms of section 26(2) the Minister may, upon application, also condone a marriage which required his or her consent and was contracted without such consent.

[Syndyre]

Looks like the female age has dropped to 15.

http://www.home-affairs.gov.za/civil_marriage.asp

15? That's just dodgy.

[charlie_82]

15? That's just dodgy.

Hmm extremely!
But when you consider that I have a 15yr old in my apartment building is pregnant...
Very scary!

[Syndyre]

Hmm extremely!
But when you consider that I have a 15yr old in my apartment building is pregnant...
Very scary!

So technically you could get married before you were legally allowed to have sex? Weird.

[charlie_82]

So technically you could get married before you were legally allowed to have sex? Weird.

I could be wrong here cos I haven't checked in a long while, but the last I knew, gays & lesbians could adopt children but can't really get married.
So yeah, that's just the way we work here, didn't you know? :p

[Syndyre]

I could be wrong here cos I haven't checked in a long while, but the last I knew, gays & lesbians could adopt children but can't really get married.
So yeah, that's just the way we work here, didn't you know? :p

Just to keep things interesting. :p Although they can legally get married now I think, they changed the law.

[charlie_82]

Just to keep things interesting. :p Although they can legally get married now I think, they changed the law.

Yeah sorta, you still don't get all the privileges of a hetero couple

[Syndyre]

Yeah sorta, you still don't get all the privileges of a hetero couple

Oh ok, I thought marriage was marriage.

[daveza]

I think 16 is the minimum legal age for sex - male and female.

Very interesting figures for this at:

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

The Cook Islands - m/m sex is illegal while f/f sex is ok for 16 and up.

Spain - 13 years is ok for m/f, m/m and f/f sex - :eek:

Cyprus - males 13yrs, females 17 years ! 17 for same gender sex except for ' the north ' where no m/m bonking is permitted.. :confused:

In Papua New Guinea aand Tonga, anal sex is illegal in all cases.


While in Queensland...

the legal age of consent for anal intercourse is 18 (regardless of gender), while for vaginal intercourse it is 16.

What a funny world we live in.

[charlie_82]

Oh ok, I thought marriage was marriage.

Lots of legal rights etc in marriage too ;)

[charlie_82]

wow daveza, that is quite an interesting read

[Syndyre]

Lots of legal rights etc in marriage too ;)

True, being single is safer. :D

[daveza]

Don't know how to explain this one;-

In the US Military, same gender sex is illegal.

In the US South Carolina allows same gender sex for boys of 14 and girls of 16

Yet, if you are a US citizen outside of the US boys can have sex ( same gender as well ) at the age of 12 - with this proviso:-

It is illegal for an American citizen or resident to have sex in another country with someone aged under 16, unless the age difference is less than 4 years, in which case the minimum age is 12.

[Syndyre]

Don't know how to explain this one;-

In the US Military, same gender sex is illegal.

In the US South Carolina allows same gender sex for boys of 14 and girls of 16

Yet, if you are a US citizen outside of the US boys can have sex ( same gender as well ) at the age of 12 - with this proviso:-

It is illegal for an American citizen or resident to have sex in another country with someone aged under 16, unless the age difference is less than 4 years, in which case the minimum age is 12.

I think the last part is to protect against paedophiles travelling to other countries etc.

[charlie_82]

True, being single is safer. :D

ROFL :D

[JHatman]

Younger sex = more abortions = more wasted tax payers money.

Girls under 16 should just not be allowed to shaft full stop. Guys is different, I think 13 or 14 is ok I dunno? At least they don't get pregnant...

Edit: That sounded dodgy hehe, for guys it can maybe be younger but with nobody older than a few years maybe 2 or 3 yrs?

[Syndyre]

Younger sex = more abortions = more wasted tax payers money.

Girls under 16 should just not be allowed to shaft full stop. Guys is different, I think 13 or 14 is ok I dunno? At least they don't get pregnant...

It takes more than a girl to get pregnant...

[charlie_82]

Younger sex = more abortions = more wasted tax payers money.

Girls under 16 should just not be allowed to shaft full stop. Guys is different, I think 13 or 14 is ok I dunno? At least they don't get pregnant...

With STD's like AIDS, this is rather narrow-minded remark, because in this day n age, getting pregnant is a milder consequence of under-age sex

[charlie_82]

It takes more than a girl to get pregnant...

I agree
What are you saying then JHatman?
It's ok for a 13yr old boy to get a girl pregnant? Cos he isn't pregnant, it's not his responsibility?

[JHatman]

With STD's like AIDS, this is rather narrow-minded remark, because in this day n age, getting pregnant is a milder consequence of under-age sex

Aids is not so much an issue here but pregnancies are, I can take a walk on my lunch and will see at least 2 pregnant girls no more than 14yrs old so yeh I guess its a geographically formed mindset really.

[charlie_82]

Aids is not so much an issue here but pregnancies are, I can take a walk on my lunch and will see at least 2 pregnant girls no more than 14yrs old so yeh I guess its a geographically formed mindset really.

Dude what rock are you living under? Since when is AIDS not an issue?

[JHatman]

I agree
What are you saying then JHatman?
It's ok for a 13yr old boy to get a girl pregnant? Cos he isn't pregnant, it's not his responsibility?

Well an irresponsible and un-informed 13yo girl is most likely to get pregnant. An irresponsible and un-informed 13yo boy is not likely to have a chance to make that mistake with a girl who's a lot maturer and wiser. Well thats my logic, if its failed then I'll go and bake a cake hehe

[JHatman]

Dude what rock are you living under? Since when is AIDS not an issue?

You misquoted me, I said it was no so much an issue.

Compared to Africa, the aids rate in UK is a drop in the ocean. More people die here everyday from knife crimes than from aids, and thats not a lot.

[charlie_82]

Aids is not so much an issue here

I didn't realise "here" was the UK.. I just assumed you meant SA

[charlie_82]

Well an irresponsible and un-informed 13yo girl is most likely to get pregnant. An irresponsible and un-informed 13yo boy is not likely to have a chance to make that mistake with a girl who's a lot maturer and wiser. Well thats my logic, if its failed then I'll go and bake a cake hehe

At 13yrs of age, I don't think anyone can make such a mature decision, male or female.
As I said earlier, I have a 15yr old girl in my building who's pregnant... According to you, she should be wiser & better informed

I guess I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you here.

[JHatman]

I didn't realise here the UK.. I just assumed you meant SA

My fault apologies, just stuck it in my profile now :p

[Syndyre]

At 13yrs of age, I don't think anyone can make such a mature decision, male or female.
As I said earlier, I have a 15yr old girl in my building who's pregnant... According to you, she should be wiser & better informed

I guess I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you here.

I suppose she could theoretically be the 1% in the 99% effective.

[charlie_82]

I suppose she could theoretically be the 1% in the 99% effective.

LOL wishful thinking.
She's not the only one I've heard of

[Syndyre]

LOL wishful thinking.
She's not the only one I've heard of

Lol, this is why people need DSTV, boredom is bad. :p

[charlie_82]

Lol, this is why people need DSTV, boredom is bad. :p

Haha agreed!

[PeterCH]

Aids is not so much an issue here but pregnancies are, I can take a walk on my lunch and will see at least 2 pregnant girls no more than 14yrs old so yeh I guess its a geographically formed mindset really.

HIV/AIDS is a serious issue everywhere. It's less of an issue over there in the UK, but it's still a serious issue as HIV/AIDS is an incurable and ultimately fatal disease - as you may know. I disagree.

I do agree that young girls should not be having sex. I guess it mostly comes down to education by the parents and if they fail, by the system - schools, church, TV, radio, internet, youth magazines, pop culture etc.

Young boys should also not be having.

It's all wishful thinking anyway. I think it all depends on how well the kid is educated and her self image. If a girl has a lot to offer, she won't feel that she needs to sleep with guys to be liked. At the same time better educated teens should be brought up to see through the BS that young boys promulgate. This is easier in higher socio-economic settings.

[charlie_82]

I agree with you 100% PeterCH, at 13/14/15, perhaps even older, kids just don't have the maturity to be making such big, possibly life altering, decisions.
Nor do I believe that a girl is entitled to making these decisions sooner than a boy.
Trouble is, where do you draw the line? As you said, it boils down to each individual and their up-bringing, morals, values, and their opinions of themselves, etc...
I know people, well into their 20's who haven't had sex - because they haven't found someone they feel comfortable doing it with, because they want to be married first, a whole host of reasons... But at the same token, I was in primary school in 1994 and I knew a 12yr old who was pregnant.

I guess in the end, it's up to the parent's to ensure that they instil the right values in their children