View Full Version : Audi et al > Bugatti Veyron??
Slootvreter
15-01-2009, 08:20 AM
Received an email this morning containing some interesting statistics, but this (http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php?photo=8933&cat=500) one looks like it might not be entirely true. Anyone else know better? :confused: I mean, the Veyron is the 'slowest' of all 10 these cars?
Iwojima
15-01-2009, 08:31 AM
Are the rest of them true production/road legal vehicles?
Slootvreter
15-01-2009, 08:35 AM
Yup, looks like it!
rorz0r
15-01-2009, 08:41 AM
The veyron should be 2.5s 0-60mph from what I remember...
Iwojima
15-01-2009, 09:12 AM
Yup, looks like it!
Interesting. The Veyron is a heavy bugger though...I wonder if the cars above it on the sprint times have top speeds to compete with the Veyron?
Sparky_za
15-01-2009, 09:15 AM
The Renault F1 is definitely not a production car. Its a MPV that they installed the (2004 IIRC) Renault Formula 1 engine into. No idea why, but I'm guessing it could be fun pulling up to a guy in a Ferrari at a robot and smoking him with your people carrier... hahaha... my bet is he'll drive his car straight back to the dealer and tell them it's broken!
Keeper
15-01-2009, 09:17 AM
The Renault F1 is definitely not a production car. Its a MPV that they installed the (2004 IIRC) Renault Formula 1 engine into. No idea why, but I'm guessing it could be fun pulling up to a guy in a Ferrari at a robot and smoking him with your people carrier... hahaha... my bet is he'll drive his car straight back to the dealer and tell them it's broken!
:D :D :D
smoke 'em!
Sparky_za
15-01-2009, 09:19 AM
Here's a list I would trust, they seem to have a lot of info on the site
http://www.supercars.net/lists/zerotosixty.html
And a link to the Renault
http://www.supercars.net/cars/1672.html
Rubbish this is. The two Dauer 962s are real though, those cars manage to accelerate that quickly in part because their gearing is so long that they hit 100km/h in first gear, so no time wasting gearshifts... the others are largely pure imagination - not the cars, but the times.
2.9s for a stock Viper GTS-R - lol!
And that Hennessy TT. It's a Viper 8.2-litre V10 with twin turbos. Certainly all the power in the world, but there's no way it would get the traction for a 2.7s 0-100 run unless you were doing the run on a track made of superglue.
The Camaro ZL1 is a concept, so this is just theoretical data.
The Callaway Corvette is real, and very fast, but again I doubt the traction would be there for such a time.
Renault Espace, well yes it's a once-off F1 car in an Espace skin so that's feasible.
Audi Avus Quattro - concept.
So no, these are theoretical calculations based on pur power/weight/gearing calculations, and not taking the real world of traction into account. Pretty sure the Veyron would murder the lot of them, save for the Dauers and the Espace F1. It is heavy yes, that's why VW gave it 1000 bhp!
ToxicBunny
15-01-2009, 09:47 AM
Yeah, i'm with Beam on this...
The only "production" car in that list is the Bugatti... the rest of limited runs of heavily souped up and modified production cars or concepts. And the Bugatti does 2.6s zero - 60mph(100kmh)
thedutchman
15-01-2009, 09:50 AM
well maybe till 100 km/h. but than the veyron will kick all their butt to the 250 mph marc
Juggy
15-01-2009, 09:55 AM
Isn't the Ariel Atom as fast as some of those and it's production. Also that funny purple thing that Jeremy Clarkson drove that made him *** in his broek it was so quick.
I actually saw an Atom on a trailer leaving Killarney the other day. Nice little piece of kit.
Don't see the Ariel Atom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Atom)? Time to 100km/h is 2.9sec if I remember correctly.
foozball3000
15-01-2009, 10:00 AM
I've never seen a supercar race that only stops at 60mp/h... that makes the stats a bit useless. The Veyron can't be compared just on performance, if you've seen Top Gear's Veyron Challenge (Race from Italy to London), you'll know what I'm talking about. There is nothing on earth like it...
If you're out for performance, get the Atom 500. Easy.
Juggy
15-01-2009, 10:01 AM
I've never seen a supercar race that only stops at 60mp/h... that makes the stats a bit useless. The Veyron can't be compared just on performance, if you've seen Top Gear's Veyron Challenge (Race from Italy to London), you'll know what I'm talking about. There is nothing on earth like it...
If you're out for performance, get the Atom 500. Easy.
Huh, every single stats page for any new car has a 0-62 rating.
rorz0r
15-01-2009, 10:09 AM
There's a video on youtube of a veyron vs new m3. I imagine the veyron driver was just feathering the pedal a bit but the veyron in pretty much every vid starts slower and then comes *flying* past. So yeah, even if it's 0-60 time sucked (which it doesn't AT ALL!) I would still bet on the veyron winning a fairly straight race.
Slootvreter
15-01-2009, 10:18 AM
What I thought as well. Veyron FTW :D
Sparky_za
15-01-2009, 10:23 AM
If I remember the Veyron's time, it was 0 to 300km/h in just less than 14 seconds, that's got to count for something :-)
The Veyron is the fastest "Standard Production Car" there was a thing on TV about it a while back all the other cars are "specials" you can not buy them.
Smooth Criminal
15-01-2009, 10:40 AM
Not only is the 0-96km/h time of the Veyron in that picture wrong, but it would cream anything else on that list to 200km/h and 300km/h.
sand_man
15-01-2009, 06:20 PM
Not only is the 0-96km/h time of the Veyron in that picture wrong, but it would cream anything else on that list to 200km/h and 300km/h.Agreed, Veryon's 0-60mph time is around 2.5sec... Audi Avus was a concept car that never made it into production..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_cars_by_acceleration
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/CARS/FEATURES/35640.html
.Froot.
15-01-2009, 06:37 PM
Isn't the Ariel Atom as fast as some of those and it's production. Also that funny purple thing that Jeremy Clarkson drove that made him *** in his broek it was so quick.
I actually saw an Atom on a trailer leaving Killarney the other day. Nice little piece of kit.
The Atom is one of the fastest on the market, correct.
.Froot.
15-01-2009, 06:38 PM
I've never seen a supercar race that only stops at 60mp/h... that makes the stats a bit useless. The Veyron can't be compared just on performance, if you've seen Top Gear's Veyron Challenge (Race from Italy to London), you'll know what I'm talking about. There is nothing on earth like it...
If you're out for performance, get the Atom 500. Easy.
While not exactly in this acceleration league, there's a 911 turbo that stays close to me. Every Sunday morning the guy takes off his number plates and heads off up and down Hans Strijdom. The fastest I've seen him clock was just over 200km/h on an uphill drag... that thing's amazingly fast.
adamr
15-01-2009, 07:22 PM
0-100 is a bit of a non issue these days esp with cars with such power ... should look at 0-200 ...
and no production car can compete with the veyron, it makes everything look slow, even an SLR McLaren
DOOMIE61
16-01-2009, 12:47 AM
The Atom is one of the fastest on the market, correct.
it is but its limited to 250km/h thats its weak point so while it might beat allot of cars to 250km after that it loses.
Nocturnity
16-01-2009, 07:28 AM
We shouldn't forget the ultimate in speed: The Ultima GTR!
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/index.html
.Froot.
16-01-2009, 09:47 AM
it is but its limited to 250km/h thats its weak point so while it might beat allot of cars to 250km after that it loses.
Weak point? I'd be dropping bricks from my pants if I had to go more than 250 in that gokart....
Sparky_za
16-01-2009, 10:24 AM
We shouldn't forget the ultimate in speed: The Ultima GTR!
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/gtr/index.html
Not so sure about this, the Veyron 0 - 100 is quicker, 0 - 100 - 0 is quicker, maybe the lap time of the Ultima would be quicker, but I can't find any tracks that both the Veyron and the Ultima have tested on.
Nocturnity
16-01-2009, 10:58 AM
No official tracks... I know they did some tests on Top Gear... Difficult to find though. Problem is, big companies like VW pay to have the reviews done so there's money in it. Ultima is a small company...
Did anyone see what the Veyron did to the Zonda F on Top Gear in the drag race?:eek::eek::eek:
Crazy stuff!!!!
EvoBunny
28-01-2009, 12:10 PM
0-100 is a bit of a non issue these days esp with cars with such power ... should look at 0-200 ...
and no production car can compete with the veyron, it makes everything look slow, even an SLR McLaren
I agree with you 10000000000000%
The days of 0 - 100 km/h as a performance stat is long gone, they need to atleast start using 0 - 160 km/h (for small cars) and then 0 - 200 km/h as well for bigger cars as that should already give you an indication of performance.
Here is some examples...
0 - 100
Focus ST: 6.8s
Porsche 911 Turbo: 3.7s
E92 M3: 4.6s
Bugatti Veyron: 2.5s
Corvette ZR1: 3.4s
Golf GTI Mk V: 6.8s
Corsa OPC: 7.1s
0 - 160
Focus ST: 15.7s
Porsche 911 Turbo: 7.8s
E92 M3: 9.4s
Bugatti Veyron: 5.4s
Corvette ZR1: 6.9s
Golf GTI Mk V: 16.1s
Corsa OPC: 17.3s
0 - 200
Focus ST: 27.6s
Porsche 911 Turbo: 12.1s
E92 M3: 15.2
Bugatti Veyron: 7.3s
Corvette ZR1: 10.3s
Golf GTI Mk V: 33.8s
Corsa OPC: 35.1s
Just look at the difference in 0 - 160 and 0 - 200 times :eek: no that is what I say is the difference in real world performance and tlgp performance.