Sharks Supporters Thread

[I am Penguin]

I wouldn't mind the Sharks so much, but I can't stand their supporters, who blindly believe that they team are the best team in the whole wide world, and that they are going to win the super 14 every year.

Really, in terms of intelligence, Sharks supporters seem to be pretty much bottom of the pile (even below the Bulls), as witnessed from your posts above.

If you do not feel the same about the team you support then you are not worth a supporters ass and as such unwanted by your supposed "team"

Poor sods!

[dal2000]

I wouldn't mind the Sharks so much, but I can't stand their supporters, who blindly believe that they team are the best team in the whole wide world, and that they are going to win the super 14 every year.

Really, in terms of intelligence, Sharks supporters seem to be pretty much bottom of the pile (even below the Bulls), as witnessed from your posts above.
Can we not have high hopes for our team? Being a supporter, you will want your team to do and be the best. Not so?

[LancelotSA]

You are funny. I never took you for a guy that thinks the Stormers are pretty. It's very dangerous the way the Sharks enter the ruck with their hair gelled into spikes - can put someone's eye out! I love the game played hard and somehow you draw the conclusion that that's what I was referring to..

Feel free to point out these numerous instances of foul play by the Sharks then. Failure to do so will result in me concluding that it was the hard play that had you squeamish!


Um, turn your brain on. Why do you insinuate that I can't speak English, when you have no idea what I am talking about? I am referring to the fact that they bought Alberts and Mostert - physically big guys. But I suppose a real supporter would've realised that. And most people here know how you will argue a point to death to justify it to yourself.

Ha ha ha it appears my insinuation was totally correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Big name" does not in any way mean that the player is physically big! I was referring to the fact that the Stormers had to go and "steal" tried and tested Springboks to bolster their side. That is BIG NAMES! ha ha ha

[LancelotSA]

I wouldn't mind the Sharks so much, but I can't stand their supporters, who blindly believe that they team are the best team in the whole wide world, and that they are going to win the super 14 every year.

Really, in terms of intelligence, Sharks supporters seem to be pretty much bottom of the pile (even below the Bulls), as witnessed from your posts above.

Ha ha ha ha you are sooooo funny! Our team has proven time and again that they are good. When last was your team in a final, or semi, of any consequence? And yet we still have all of you jumping up and down celebrating because you won some warm up games.

There is no need for me to insult the Stormers fans really... they appear to be doing it themselves. The fact that they cannot find their own team's thread and need to hang here just shows what wannabes they are!

[MielieSpoor]

Our team has proven time and again that they are good.Not as good as other teams in the country so you can stop venting the crap that the Sharks is the best team in SA.

[alf101]

Ag shamepies, did the Stormers make fish paste out of the sharkies again.

lol
Great start for them.

[alf101]

Oh yes......


























WeePee
:)

[Mephisto_Helix]

Right, can we stop with the trolling now? P1ss off to your own threads and talk crap ......

[Sting]

The Super 14 is not won in January!

[Devill]

The sharks do seem to lack urgency and they seem to also be struggling to find the right "combinations".

They have the players and they should pick themselves up from where they are atm.

Bad news: Sharks at current form with the hard fixtures for this years S14 will wilt and die.
Good News: Sharks have a mass of great players and are 100% capable of picking themselves up and doing very well in the 2010 S14. Like said above: "The S14 will not be won or lost in January"

[Mephisto_Helix]

end of this week it's all starting!

[AMG133]

Dont write the Sharks off from stupid friendlies in slaapstad, the real test begines on Saturday! but we need to get bonus points this season, last season that was our downfall!

[Mephisto_Helix]

Aye, that has to be our focus this year, no more playing just to win .... play to crush the opposition and secure as many bonus points as we can in the process!

[APoc184]

http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Rugby/264/cc7cde7d7290496f83a8d1125dd8fcd9/08-02-2010-06-37/Sharks_to_face_SARU_hearing


Johannesburg - The South African Rugby Union on Monday confirmed that a hearing into a complaint against the KwaZulu-Natal Rugby Union and players Louis Ludik and Willem Alberts would be heard on Wednesday.

The complaint was brought by the Golden Lions Rugby Union who alleged that the Sharks - the commercial entity of the KwaZulu-Natal Rugby Union - had not secured the necessary clearance certificates required before contracting the players.

The Lions also charged that the two players remained under contract to them.

The Lions allege that this constituted a breach of SARU regulations relating to the Movement of Players and asked SARU to investigate the complaint.

Koos Basson - the former chairman of the SARU disciplinary committee -has been appointed as Judicial Officer and will hear the complaint at SARU's offices in Newlands on Wednesday, February 10 at 10am.

[alf101]

Dont write the Sharks off from stupid friendlies in slaapstad, the real test begines on Saturday! but we need to get bonus points this season, last season that was our downfall!

No, go ahead and write them off.

[alternate]

alf101 Stormers are always big talkers every January :P

Got my new sharks jersey from the Shark Cage yesterday :D BRING ON SATURDAY!

[alf101]

alf101 Stormers are always big talkers every January :P

Got my new sharks jersey from the Shark Cage yesterday :D BRING ON SATURDAY!

Leave Januarie out of it. ;) He's innocent.

[cybershark]

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/article.aspx?headline=Sharks%20head%20to%20court%2 0over%20Alberts,%20Ludik&id=332753

“This is the second time that SA Rugby have failed to give a final ruling as to whether or not Alberts or Ludik can play in the 2010 SANZAR Super 14 competition," Sharks CEO Brian van Zyl said in a statement.

Useless SARU.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Not really surprising that SARU is so useless .... now they have to get a court to rule on their availability :rolleyes:


But anyway, I feel sorry for the Chiefs when they play on Saturday night, this humidity is gonna kill them :D

[3Com]

Vrystaat!!!!!!!!

[APoc184]

Vrystaat!!!!!!!!

There is a Cheetahs thread. Welcome.

[cybershark]

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/article.aspx?headline=Sudden%20Meyer%20retirement% 20shocks%20Sharks&id=332908

:wtf: I can't believe it, he joins the Sharks, now he retires.

[APoc184]

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/article.aspx?headline=Sudden%20Meyer%20retirement% 20shocks%20Sharks&id=332908

:wtf: I can't believe it, he joins the Sharks, now he retires.

It's quite bad for the Sharks. With Ruan not back yet, they are in tight spot.

But please keep in mind he is retiring for undisclosed personal reasons. Not because he doesn't want to play rugby anymore.
I can only imagine that something is seriously wrong with a close relative, spouse or sibling. In that case I wish him well and hope everything works out.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Very very suspect this whole Steve Meyer thing eh ..... I can't believe that yet again, we're stuck with flyhalf issues.

[Devill]

Any idea as who the sharks will field on saturday?

[APoc184]

Monty Dumond

[APoc184]

15. Stefan Terblanche, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. Waylon Murray, 12. Andries Strauss, 11. JP Pietersen, 10. Monty Dumond, 9. Rory Kockott, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Jean Deysel, 6. Keegan Daniel, 5. Johann Muller, 4. Steven Sykes, 3. John Smit (c), 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs: 16. Craig Burden, 17. Jannie du Plessis, 18. Gerhard Mostert, 19. Willem Alberts, 20. Jacques Botes, 21. Ruan Pienaar, 22. Adrian Jacobs

[The_Pumpkin_King]

new sharks jersey - check
sharks flags taped outside the house - check
2 x 2l coke - check


COME ON SHARKS!!! :D:D:D

[AMG133]

WTF! Meyer's retirement was more than a shock, its cocked up everything! something isnt right there

[Devill]

Monty Dumond

Ah and I see RP is on the bench.... thought he was not 100% ready yet. Or is a needed move to have him on the bench?

[cybershark]

Who would have thought NZ has a ref worse than our worst AA ref.

[MielieSpoor]

Who would have thought NZ has a ref worse than our worst AA ref.

Uhm, no. There was nothing wrong with the ref. I think that the Sharks - but all SA teams in general - should take these law interpretations serious and start to play according to it. Our referees are far too lenient. A well deserved victory by the Chiefs. They wanted to score tries, whereas the Sharks didn't once look like scoring a try.

[Alan]

*sigh*

Only the Sharks could throw away a game like that :o

[cybershark]

Uhm, no. There was nothing wrong with the ref. I think that the Sharks - but all SA teams in general - should take these law interpretations serious and start to play according to it. Our referees are far too lenient. A well deserved victory by the Chiefs. They wanted to score tries, whereas the Sharks didn't once look like scoring a try.

There was a lot wrong with the referee. Let's start with the fact that rugby is supposed to be about the first infringement, if a referee is not going to consistently blow the first infringement then there is not much point to the game. You must have heard it being said that all the players want from the referee is for him to be consistent. That was certainly not the case last night!

Let me be very clear, I am NOT saying the Sharks played well. All I am saying is SA players continue to get short changed at the rucks, NZ and Aus players are given much more latitude. It's ironic that SA now has a player in Brussouw who was able to beat McCaw and the likes at their own game, only now have the ruck rules been more clearly defined. The players would take a lenient, consistent referee over a strict, inconsistent one any day.

Keith Brown was selectively obsessed with "entering the ruck through the gate." I have watched the game again; every single time the Sharks entered the ruck from the side they were penalised and there were a few occasions where the Chiefs entered the ruck from their side and weren't penalised. Ironically those would all have been kickable penalties.

Now let's look at the game deciding penalty. Rory Kockett was facing his own posts, all three times he tried to play the ball and was tackled, the ball went backwards, so he did not knock the ball on. So when Stephen Sykes decided to pick up the ball he was not offside.

The ELV's introduced last year speeded up the game considerably and now the instruction at the ruck to give the ballcarrier much more opportunity to play and place the ball has made the game even faster. Most of the problems with referees being inconsistent arises from the fact that the increase of speed in the game means that the referees are now getting to the rucks later than they should be and as a result they are not seeing all the infringements being committed. This has made even the good referees look average and the bad referees have been shown up for what they are.

[kaybeach007]

I have to say that after watching the last infringement in slow motion about a dozen times, I can safely say that there was NO infringement. Kockett knocked the ball backwards each time, so Strauss was not playing the ball from an off side position. Poor refereeing, poor decision. Pity that technology does not get a better place in rugby. Like cricket, captains should be able to ask the referee for a referral to the TMO. Last night would have been a perfect example. Sharks robbed by ref!!!!!

As for Bismarck, best to leave things unsaid. Only his mother can love him, STUPID!!!!!!! Sorry just had to say it!

[Mephisto_Helix]

Basically all I wanted to say has been covered by Cyber and Kay ......... Mieliespoor, you've been known to stick up for shocking refs before, go elsewhere with your ref fanboyism thanks, everyone else can see and tell when refs have shockers.

[alternate]

Yea, I got annoyed watching the game again and with Bob Skinstad not even looking at the screen and just agreeing with the ref. Oh well, I was angry and wet last night and now its time to get over it and hope we beat the Cheetas next week.

[Devill]

Unlucky loss. The sharks did not play well at all but the ref also was a bit "heavy handed" in the first 1/4 of the game and the sharks got the full treatment :(

But like the above poster said it is time to put on your big girl panties and harden the fsck up.

Good luck for next weeks game :)

[alternate]

Best reasoning Ive seen in ages. This is why everybody is so unhappy. Add the frustration from the game, the weather and the ill discipline and you have one big lot of angry supporters.



Eugene Marx (Johannesburg) - Sunday February 14 2010 - 17:20
Hi,

I hope you read this, because in a time where a lot of people claim to be experts it is a shame that nobody could see and know the laws to realise that the last minute penalty against the Sharks was and could be a huge error from the referee that might cost the Sharks dearly in their Super 14 Campaign !

Don't get me wrong the Sharks did not perform to really deserve the victory, but they did score the vital points in order to give them a chance due to their openents lack of diccipline.

It just showed me this weekend why we have a problem with referees, because even the "experts" don't know what they are talking about. I was shocked to hear Garth Wright say on All out Rugby that there was no problem with the final penalty. I hope on Boots and all it is a different story, although Bob could also not see the problem in the match commentary.

Here is how I see it and please feel free to contact me and discuss if you don't ! In the final seconds of the game the Sharks recieved the kick off and set up a phase to keep posession and run out the time to win the game. The ball came out of the scrum because of pressure from the Chiefs to try and regain possession. This put Rory Kocket under presure and he could not gather the ball cleanly, but if you look closely he knocked the ball backwards and never knocked the ball on. Even in his second try he nudged the ball closer to his tryline. The ball never went forward from his hands " look closely at it again and you will see". There was thus no knock on from Rory's side. This makes it open play and there are no offside lines. The Sharks player who came from an "offside" position to play the ball could not be offside because the ball was never knocked on. The law says that if the ball is knocked forward by a player ( does not matter from which part of the body) and a team mate in front of him when this occured plays the ball he is offside and is penalisable if there is no advantage to the attacking team.

You can not be offside if you have to go backwards to play the ball and the reason being is that the ball went backwards after the last touch and had to be gather behind the mark where it was last touched. In other words you had to go further back towards your tryline to play the ball than where it was last touched !

Let me explain what I am saying in another scenario. Say I am playing centre and I go up in defence and the attacking team put a kick through and I fall back to cover. My fullback who is covering the back gets there first with me and the attacking team a few yards away in front of the fullback. He gets a bad bounce and fumbles the ball backwards so there is no knock on, in the process of trying to gather the ball he is tackled with the ball still roling towards our tryline after being knocked back by our fullback. I am the last person there to save the try and run past the spot where the ball was knocked back and before the opponent could gather tha ball and score a try I kick it out on the bounce.

Now could I be penalised for playing in an offside posistion ?? Should I have first run past the ball and turn around and play it ?? The answer is no, unless the referee is as bad as the one who blew the wistle in that Sharks vs Chiefs game. It was open play and I played the ball behind the spot closer to the tryline where it was handled last by our fullback.

Why everybody is also not clever enough to see that the Rory incident was the same as this is that when he last fumbled the ball a great tackle was put in and he finished up still behind the ball. Because the ball was not knocked on but knocked back and then played behind the mark where it was last handled. The player playing the ball, although in front of Rory when the fumble happened, could not be penalised because he gathered the ball even closer to his tryline than where it was last fumbled !

If I confused you, no worries the ref is even more confused about the laws of rugby and I challenge anyone to prove that I am wrong with my explanation. The other scenario could shed some light on the matter because it is the same situation !

Boots and All boys please phone Andre Watson if you are not sure. If by any chance I am off with this one then maybe I opened something to be looked at because that penalty was not fair !

Cheers

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/columns.aspx?id=8759

[Devill]

but if you look closely he knocked the ball backwards and never knocked the ball on. Even in his second try he nudged the ball closer to his tryline. The ball never went forward from his hands " look closely at it again and you will see".

Ok so now he says that even if you have a replay to look at you still need to look "closely" to see that the ball did not go forward. This to me shows that the situation was 50/50 not grossly unfair but a close call either way. The ref does not have a playback function... Wake up Mr Eugene Marx if the call went the other way and the Chiefs complained about how they were done in you would have told them that is the way the cookie crumbles.


The answer is no, unless the referee is as bad as the one who blew the wistle in that Sharks vs Chiefs game.

He starts off by saying: "It just showed me this weekend why we have a problem with referees, because even the "experts" don't know what they are talking about."
Then he goes on to critisize the ref but who the hell is Eugene Marx to think he is that much better and right?

Also by saying it might cost the sharks there whole season is crazy.... is he already looking to make excuses after only the first weekend?

[Mephisto_Helix]

I think he means to say that EVEN if you look closely ..... it was nowhere near a fscking 50/50 call, the ball went backwards, fully backwards, with no hint that it went forward.

[ToxicBunny]

I think there needs to be a citing system for refs as well...

They need to be hauled over the coals for blatantly crap decisions.

[alf101]

On the bright side... The Stormers won again. :)

[GreGorGy]

I think there needs to be a citing system for refs as well...

They need to be hauled over the coals for blatantly crap decisions.

As much as the ref-blaming by sharkies is really entertaining, I do agree with this call. Someone in the industry said it last year and got into a little bit of trouble. Think it was a NZ person. Then it was pointed out here (by Mielie I think I stand corrected) that only four of our refs are pros and the rest volunteers.

Citing for refs. I know one or two that would be in deep trouble. Of course, when the fans in the stadium throw things at the opposition, they also deserve to lose all form of sympathy and that you do not have to watch twice or closely or anything to see. Sharks lost because they were not on form on the day. End of story. You can't claim something was stolen from your pavement if you don't have a fence. Next time, ring fence your lead.

[ToxicBunny]

I'm not going to blame the ref for the sharks loss... i think they deserved to lose that match...

BUT i saw so many crap decisions from the ref that cost both teams scoring chances... the refs need to get punished for that kind of thing.

[GreGorGy]

On the bright side... The Stormers won again. :)

...in the first half. If they play any quality side like that later in this tourney, expect them to be grateful for a single-digit finish in the log.

[Devill]

I think there needs to be a citing system for refs as well...

They need to be hauled over the coals for blatantly crap decisions.

The media is now allowed to request the ref so he can answer questions about calls he made in the game at the post match presentation.

It is not a punishment system but it will be nice to actually hear what some of them have to say on certain calls they made.

[CHURCHILL]

All Refs make 3 or 4 mistakes a match,thats a given , but when a ref makes a mistake that swings a match from a win to a loss, that is upsetting.
Anyway its over, Sharks have to step up now, its not going to get any easier.

Can someone please explain what is going on with the Sharks front row, when all three put on the Green & gold jersey, they are world class, yet as soon as they scrum down for the Sharks they are pinned and penalised every 2nd or 3rd scrum?

[Alan]

The forwards were nowhere on the night. That's ultimately why we lost not the ref IMO

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Durban – New Zealand referee Keith Brown will not forget his first Super 14 match in a hurry.

He had to virtually run for his life after sounding the final whistle in Saturday night’s match between the Sharks and Chiefs.

Bottles and other missiles rained down on him as he was leaving the field.

Sharks fullback Stefan Terblanche had to shout at spectators to calm down. Brown awarded the Chiefs a penalty after the siren, which allowed them to clinch the game 19-18 with a last-gasp pressure penalty by Stephen Donald.

While the Sharks crowd was baying for Brown’s blood, Chiefs coach Ian Foster praised him for an excellent performance.

Brown also sent two Sharks – Springboks John Smit and Bismarck du Plessis – to the sin-bin and at one stage awarded five penalties to the Chiefs before the Sharks got their first one.

Sharks coach John Plumtree did not want to blame the referee, but felt some of the decisions were harsh.

The Sharks can expect major problems in the coming weeks if the laws are applied in the manner that Brown did it and they fail to adapt.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Rugby/Super14/354/47a5eae56f7940aea988fc2c8154c270/15-02-2010-10-45/Ref_s_baptism_of_fire

Bitch! i hope he got hit :mad:

[Devill]

Bottles and other missiles rained down on him as he was leaving the field.

And they say the bulls are "kommin".........

Not even with Puke Twatson did they throw things onto the field.

[AMG133]

Well at least they listened to me and fot a bonus point.........but that was for losing withing 7! Ref was *** but no excuses, so were we. Need to step up big time, its never easy but we got a star studded side and they need to prove why people rate them so well.

[APoc184]

They should rename the Du Plessis brothers to Boeties Bliksem.

Can't remember them causing to much trouble on Saturday but Bismarck did get a yellow for a late charge.
Same with Kuun from the Bulls. He is always involved in the scuffles.

[CHURCHILL]

Looks like the Sharks have signed Andy Goode (flyhalf) from England on a loan agreement, dont know what you guy's think, but i think this is very Goode and will help the Sharks alot.

[Sting]

Looks like the Sharks have signed Andy Goode (flyhalf) from England on a loan agreement, dont know what you guy's think, but i think this is very Goode and will help the Sharks alot.

Goode one!! Also signed young Steenkamp - a lock - from the Bulls to cover for Muller and co's injuries.

[APoc184]

What is it with the Sharls and overseas players?

First Michalak, then Hernandez, then Steve Meyer and now Andy Goode.

Do they have no confidence in local players?

[Sting]

Do they have no confidence in local players?

At flyhalf? No!

[AMG133]

After Henry Honiball, we didnt have anyone good, Butch was good at certain things...

[Sting]

Butch had a good comeback game for Bath last week!

[cybershark]

The knock on syndrome is back :(

[APoc184]

I see the Hooters girls are there.

Yummy!

[Sting]

I see the Hooters girls are there.

Yummy!

I see them two! I mean, too!!!

( . )Y( . )

[APoc184]

I see them two! I mean, too!!!

Piss poor crowd but they made up for it all.

[dal2000]

With this kind of performance, I'm not expecting sharks to pass the quarter finals.

[cybershark]

From a real ref to a sub-standard one.

[APoc184]

I thought Kaplan was blowing hot and cold. :p

[cybershark]

Bottom of the log here we come.

[cybershark]

I thought Kaplan was blowing hot and cold. :p

Yes he was, but better than all cold.

[LancelotSA]

Yes he was, but better than all cold.

I pointed this out in the general Super 14 thread which was probably not the best place to do so, and I realise most of you may read that too, but based on this discussion I'll post it here :


So the question that arises is how much of a part do referees play in the outcome of the match... we always bitch about refs but I was not actually watching this game but following online commentary. This is what I picked up :

1st half
2min Penalty to Sharks
5min Penalty to Cheetahs
7min Penalty to Sharks
14min Penalty to Sharks
29min Penalty to Sharks
34min Three penalties in a row to the Sharks
35min Penalty to Sharks
38min Penalty to Sharks
40min Penalty to Sharks

Total - Sharks 10 Cheetahs 1


Then : "Welcome back folks and in a bizarre set of circumstances, referee Jonathan Kaplan has been replaced by Pro Legoete because he has a stomach bug! But the show must go on..."

2nd half
47min Penalty to Cheetahs
55min Penalty to Cheetahs
57min Penalty to Cheetahs
60min Penalty to Cheetahs
66min Penalty to Sharks
69min Penalty to Cheetahs
73min Penalty to Cheetahs
75min Penalty to Cheetahs
76min Penalty to Sharks
79min Penalty to Sharks
80min Penalty to Sharks

Total - Sharks 4 (only improved by the consolation three in the last few minutes) Cheetahs 7

Source : http://www.rugby365.com/pls/cms/rugby_score.show_main?p_mid=8524&p_s=131

There appears to be some majorly different interpretation going on here....

[cybershark]

I pointed this out in the general Super 14 thread which was probably not the best place to do so, and I realise most of you may read that too, but based on this discussion I'll post it here :



There appears to be some majorly different interpretation going on here....

Yes, that's why I said this:

From a real ref to a sub-standard one.

[Morgoth]

if you play well enough then you have to impress the ref.

[I am Penguin]

Yep! Rugby is becoming a referees game, Struggle for power and supremacy at the cost of the game. They must make a whistle that backfires when you blow it to much in a short time-span.

[GL!]

The Sharks won't make it this season. They have an inexperienced head coach on Super14 level, and are playing poor rugby.

[AMG133]

I see the Hooters girls are there.

Yummy!

They got 2 boxes and convered it into a hooters, you have to book via them for tickets to the place. Plan on going when the Sharks get back, lets hope by then we still have something to play for!

[alternate]

As much beer, chicken wings and sliders as you can eat! + Rugby + Boobs = HEAVEN!

[GreGorGy]

As much beer, chicken wings and sliders as you can eat! + Rugby + Boobs = HEAVEN!

What are sliders? I can't eat a single chicken wing without wanting a bucket - no, not a KFC one, a LUKEWATSON bucket. So, what are sliders?

I have a Fort Lauderdale Hooters TShirt (authentic) that I now have to get rid of - I'd hate to be associated with the Sharks. Now, if only Loftus can get a suite like this....


Mmmm - business opportunity knocks...

[Devill]

I pointed this out in the general Super 14 thread which was probably not the best place to do so, and I realise most of you may read that too, but based on this discussion I'll post it here :

There appears to be some majorly different interpretation going on here....

Nope Naka said he told the freestaters to not contend for the ball on the ground anymore after half time as they were giving away too many penalties. So the free state guys were just playing smarter;)

[alf101]

Nope Naka said he told the freestaters to not contend for the ball on the ground anymore after half time as they were giving away too many penalties. So the free state guys were just playing smarter;)

No, if you look back to the last few matches of the 2009 S14, you'll see that the refs in those matches caused the sharks to lose.
This keeps happening, something must be done about it.

Cost them the Currie cup as well. Damned refs!!!!

[Devill]

No, if you look back to the last few matches of the 2009 S14, you'll see that the refs in those matches caused the sharks to lose.
This keeps happening, something must be done about it.

Cost them the Currie cup as well. Damned refs!!!!

Yes I also feel they are not focusing on the right problem here.

The sharks are not firing on all cylinders and are just not thus far looking up to being a semi finalist. I hope they find form and soon.

[Snoob]

In this age of professionalism, I expect more from the team I have supported since I was a lighty, especially since I am now expected to show my "true colours" by purchasing an exorbitantly priced shirt at the beginning of each competition. As a "professional" supporter, I am considering supporting another team, so at least when I can wear my investment with some joy when the side wins, instead of blaming the refs.

[APoc184]

As a "professional" supporter, I am considering supporting another team, so at least when I can wear my investment with some joy when the side wins, instead of blaming the refs.

Just the team for you (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?199985-Cheetahs-Supporters-Thread) :p

I've been a professional supporter of this team since I was a laaitie.
And you can rest assured that they are always everybody's second team. :D

Just remember, we are down to earth supporters that will always congratulate the other team. Okay, some of us will, the others will blame the ref. :)
And above all. We make sure to wear our jerseys in public after a loss. (Yes, that's me you saw on a Sunday)

But more seriously. Stick to your team. No matter how bad things are.
I will never support another team than the Cheetahs.

[Devill]

But more seriously. Stick to your team. No matter how bad things are.


Too true. I was a supporter when the bulls took the wooden spoon (not a happy one mind you but a loyal one), and I was one when we lost to the vrystaat on loftus in the CC finals :cries:

But I will still be one even if we suffer such loses as the lions have the last decade.

[Mephisto_Helix]

+1 I have been a Sharks supporter for the last like 20 years, in good times and in bad and I won't ever change! I may be 80 and living in Japan and I'll still support the Sharks and the Boks :cool:

[Devill]

+1 I have been a Sharks supporter for the last like 20 years, in good times and in bad and I won't ever change! I may be 80 and living in Japan and I'll still support the Sharks and the Boks :cool:

Jip that is the only way to go :) (not supporting the sharks I mean :p:D)

[APoc184]

Problem with switching to another team is:

Once things start going wrong there, you will just move along again. And believe me, it will go wrong again. Even with the Bulls.

But if you really do need to jump ship, my money would be on the Stormers for now. Looks like things are falling into place now.

[dal2000]

I'm with the Reds since the sharks are dying for now. Not saying the Reds will win the super 14, just betting on them doing well :D

[MielieSpoor]

This is the stats for the Sharks Cheetahs game! I fail to see how the sharks was done in wrt penalties! I fail to see where the Sharks was done in by the ref - it was more a case of the Sharks just didn't play well enough to actually win the game!


(iii) Sharks vs Cheetahs

Penalties conceded: 25

Sharks: 10
Cheetahs: 15

Reasons for the penalties:

Sharks:
Tackle: 7 (Hargreaves, Pienaar*, Ndungane, Deysel*, Smit, Pietersen, Daniel*)
Offside: 1 (Sykes)
Scrums: 1 (Smit)
Discipline: 1 (Botes - air tackle)

Cheetahs:
Tackle: 8 (Breedt, Frans Viljoen 2, De Bruyn, Brüssow*, Smith, De Villiers, Pretorius)
Offside: 3 (Brüssow*, De Bruyn, Strauss)
Scrum: 2 (Strauss, Nel)
Discipline: 2 (Frans Viljoen - man without ball; De Villiers - +10)

The Sharks missed three penalty kicks at goal, the Cheetahs one.

Free kicks conceded

Sharks: 2 (scrums)
Cheetahs: 1 (scrum)

Line-outs

Sharks: 8 (1 skew)
Cheetahs: 9 (1 quick)

Scrums

Sharks: 6 (3 resets, 2 collapses, 2 penalties)
Cheetahs: 13 (4 resets, 4 collapses, 3 free kicks, 1 penalty)

Drop-outs

Sharks: 1
Cheetahs: 4

Stoppages: 76


Link (http://www.sareferees.co.za/news/ref_news/2242480.htm)

[Bizkit87]

Problem with switching to another team is:

Once things start going wrong there, you will just move along again. And believe me, it will go wrong again. Even with the Bulls.

But if you really do need to jump ship, my money would be on the Stormers for now. Looks like things are falling into place now.

If you wanna jump ship... just stop watching rugby, if you are the kind of supporter that only supports a team when things go well, you should rather not watch the sport...

every team has its slumps, the bulls had a huge one, and i still remember all the bulls vs a samoosa jokes.... but i sticked with them through it all, and now its going well again :)

[dal2000]

All you non-sharks supporters please stop trolling and freeloading in our thread, even though it makes you feel warm inside. Thank you. :D

[APoc184]

I'm with the Reds since the sharks are dying for now. Not saying the Reds will win the super 14, just betting on them doing well :D


All you non-sharks supporters please stop trolling and freeloading in our thread, even though it makes you feel warm inside. Thank you. :D

Mmmm... :D

[McT]

Wow! What a disappointing start to the season with 4 straight losses, although the last 2 could have gone the Sharks way.

Regardless, I remain a Sharks supporter through thick and thin :)

And good to see the performance by Lions (even though they lost), Stormers and Bulls. ;)

Congrats to Cheetahs who somehow keep the jinx on the Sharks :confused:

[dal2000]

Not saying the Reds will win the super 14, just betting on them doing well :D

Where did I say i'm not supporting the Sharks? :D

EDIT: I'm supporting both ok! xD

[dal2000]

The cheetahs are Ninjas.... this is why they win.

[McT]

Mmmm... :D

:D

[Mephisto_Helix]

If you're a true supporter, send the chaps your messages of support - http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/02/22/the-sharks-need-your-support/ - article and email addy in the link. Do it now :D

[AMG133]

Black & white till I die! From the time of the banana boy's I wore the colors!

Both games could have gone either way, its minor things thats costing us. I thought we played much better this week.
We could have won by a big margin if we kept ball in hand.

[Alan]

Black & white till I die! From the time of the banana boy's I wore the colors!

Both games could have gone either way, its minor things thats costing us. I thought we played much better this week.
We could have won by a big margin if we kept ball in hand.

Yeah holding onto the ball in rugby is a minor thing :whistle:

:p

[AMG133]

lol, it is technically, need them to start practicing with a bar of soap

[cybershark]

Team: 15. Stefan Terblanche, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. Waylon Murray, 12. Adrian Jacobs, 11. JP Pietersen, 10. Ruan Pienaar, 9. Rory Kockott, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Willem Alberts, 6. Jacques Botes, 5. Johann Muller, 4. Steven Sykes, 3. John Smit (Captain), 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. Tendai Mtawarira

Replacements: 16. Deon Carstens, 17. Jannie du Plessis, 18. Wilhelm Steenkamp, 19. Jean Deysel, 20. Keegan Daniel, 21. Andy Goode, 22. Riaan Swanepoel

[Mephisto_Helix]

I'm hoping our history of playing decently away comes a knocking before we take on the Crusaders tomorrow. I'm keen for a good game that I know the guys are capable of .......

[AMG133]

Kanko is the key for tomorrows game, last season he was instrumental in the game against the Saders and last week he showed glimpses of the form he posses's

[dal2000]

FFS this is embarrassing now!

[PostmanPot]

Ouch... :p

[Mephisto_Helix]

Ah well .... onto the next one. There were glimpses of picking our game up but for the life of me I can't figure why we can't finish. Maybe it's time for fresh coaching staff after all, not to mention some fresh admin too :mad:

[dal2000]

I think it is time that plumtree should GTFO.

[Mephisto_Helix]

the whole lot of them preferably, all admin, all coaching staff .........

[MielieSpoor]

Ah well .... onto the next one. There were glimpses of picking our game up but for the life of me I can't figure why we can't finish. Maybe it's time for fresh coaching staff after all, not to mention some fresh admin too :mad:


I think it is time that plumtree should GTFO.

Last year and the year before he was good enough, now that the side is struggling a bit, he needs to be fired? That logic I don't understand! Maybe the players should also accept responsibility since its them that are not doing what they should during the 80mins that count!

[Mephisto_Helix]

I've never rated him that highly ........ now you can't say that all the shena****ns pre-season and just the other day aren't having an impact. From losing players to getting shoddy replacements to not getting the right staff to dissing players in the media, ja, not conducive.

[alternate]

Honestly the Sharks are SCREWED we have no direction, nothing. Our past 3 games we have gotten like one try. Do we even have a backline? I don't know what to do now. :(

[dal2000]

Last year and the year before he was good enough, now that the side is struggling a bit, he needs to be fired? That logic I don't understand! Maybe the players should also accept responsibility since its them that are not doing what they should during the 80mins that count!

Struggling a bit? Well we have lost the last 5 games played. We even lost to the very weak western force. How can they perform so poorly every single game they play? Plumtree doesn't really look like he has much concern on his face when interviewed. He's coaching one of the strongest super 14 teams (former I should note). Whats with the backline coach being left behind, how the hell do you leave one of your coaches behind to "save" money in a super 14 tournament? Theres too much going wrong and there is reasons.

[CHURCHILL]

This is my take on whats going wrong in Shark land, some members of the Squad looks like they dont want to be playing for the Sharks, ecspecially Ruan P. Just look at his attitude on the field and he does not seem to give 100%. I get the feeling that if the Bulls or Cheetahs offered him a contract, he would take it with both arms and legs.

Its Rory, Keegan, Ryan, Botes, Stefan and the likes that give it 100%, infact its mostly the players that dont have Springbok contracts that are performing, its like the others that do have bok contracts are saving themselves for Bok matches only, or to scared to pick up an injury.

Look at all the Bulls players, they are proud and give it their all for the blue team, i guess its true when they say their blood is blue.

Some Sharks players are only there for their Cheques and some game time. When last has JP Pietersen and Odwa doen anything, C'mon they are better than this.

[cybershark]

Where to begin, there is so much wrong with how the sharks are playing.

Our forwards are playing their hearts out. Only for our backs to aimlessly kick the ball away. Most of our creative play is coming from Kockett and Kankowski, Ruan Pienaar looks completely out of it, I don't know whether that's from lack of match practice or what it is and as for Jacobs with his continual aimless drifting cross field robbing the rest of the back line of space to play, it is truly pathetic.

They said our backline coach stayed at home, I would too with how they are playing. Ours guys have forgotten what it is to create space for the outer backs, which is why we hardly see our wings on the front foot and when we do see them they are running at an angle back to the forwards. They are still playing last season's tactics with all those aimless up and unders.

I think this also shows how big a hole Francois Steyn leaving has left. All the other teams have taken advantage of the ruck rule "change" to generate quick ruck ball, somehow the sharks do not realise that quick ball from a ruck three or four times in a row will result in a lot space for the backs to play. The fly half and scrum-half for the most part are the ones that determine how and at what pace a team plays.

[AMG133]

maybe if we start supporting the bulls they would start losing?

[CHURCHILL]

maybe if we start supporting the bulls they would start losing?

I admire your bravery and intentions, but no matter what happens, this i cannot do.:D

[Mephisto_Helix]

Sharks Breakfast at my spot on Saturday morning ..... got a big screen (maybe even a projector) and a skottel and will be providing some chow. If you wanna pull in with your munchies and whatnot, send me a PM for my addy.

[Devill]

Sharks Breakfast at my spot on Saturday morning ..... got a big screen (maybe even a projector) and a skottel and will be providing some chow. If you wanna pull in with your munchies and whatnot, send me a PM for my addy.

This is very nice of you.

As the Bulls are not playing this weekend I will have to be supporting the Sharks stormers lions and cheetahs 100% :)

Good luck to all you sharks hope your team can pull off a turn around in form this weekend.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Danke ..... I'm hoping a combination of us pulling finger and the Tah's having jetlag will end in a good outcome. Surely we have to turn our **** around sooner rather than later hey.

[Devill]

Danke ..... I'm hoping a combination of us pulling finger and the Tah's having jetlag will end in a good outcome. Surely we have to turn our **** around sooner rather than later hey.

I think you will only start winning once the players are hungry for success again. I hope that is soon.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Team for Saturday -

Stefan Terblanche
Odwa Ndungane
Adrian Jacobs
Riaan Swanepoel
JP Pietersen
Andy Goode
Ruan Pienaar
Ryan Kankowski
Willem Alberts
Keegan Daniel
Johann Muller
Steven Sykes
Jannie du Plessis
John Smit (captain)
Deon Carstens.


Replacements:

Bismarck du Plessis
Tendai Mtwarira
Wilhelm Steenkamp
Jean Deysel
Jacques Botes
Rory Kockott
Waylon Murray.

That is one helluva strong team on paper, let's hope it translates onto the field too ....... go Sharks!

[Devill]

I wonder about the wisdom of kicking Kockett to the bench....

Glad they moved RP from Flyhalf as he looked very bad in the nr 10 spot.

[MielieSpoor]

I wonder about the wisdom of kicking Kockett to the bench....

Glad they moved RP from Flyhalf as he looked very bad in the nr 10 spot.Shhhhhhttttt. How dare you say that in this thread ;)

[AMG133]

ah jeez they starting with Goode, that cant be good.......excuse the pun

[dal2000]

Not looking all that bad so far, still not what they used to be. I can see individual play far too often.

[dal2000]

Nice one jannie jou lekker ding...

[dal2000]

Rofl 2 yellow cards

[LancelotSA]

Rofl 2 yellow cards

...and did you take note of the points scored during that time? He who laughs last, laughs loudest!

[dal2000]

Look at the scoreboard man.

[LancelotSA]

Look at the scoreboard man.

Yeah, that's right... change the argument.... you were earlier rolling on the floor because of the two yellow cards. While you were rolling around the Sharks were scoring all the points! Next time stop rolling around and you'll get to see some good rugby.

The scoreboard would look different if the ref and TMO did not have so much money riding on a 'Tahs win!

[cybershark]

The scoreboard would look different if the ref and TMO did not have so much money riding on a 'Tahs win!

Indeed.

[LancelotSA]

So should we count the money earning decisions for the refs tonight?

Let's add not giving the penalty try to the Sharks for the deliberate knock down when Kankowski had an open line....

Oh and then let's add the controversial "obstruction" call while I am typing this when the Sharks were on the 'Tahs line in the final minute!

I'm over this Super 14...

EDIT : And when you have the one eyed Aussie commentators pointing out these controversial decisions you know there is something seriously wrong!

[ToxicBunny]

The ref'ing def needs to be looked at in a BIG way... and I mean this for all teams.

[dal2000]

Agreed Lancelot. New laws seem to be so biased or whatever you call it.

[alternate]

Nice to see an attacking Sharks team! :D IMO We should have won that game fair.

Ref and TMO was very very very dubious. I don't know what on earth is going on but as a Rugby fan and a Sharks supporter I am disgusted at these so called "decisions". :(

[alf101]

lol
Poor sharks.
Must be the ref again...

[cybershark]

lol
Poor sharks.
Must be the ref again...

It would help if you had actually watched the game.

[alf101]

It would help if you had actually watched the game.

I did.

I watched many sharks game.

Read through this this dude, it's ALWAYS the ref.

[Mephisto_Helix]

alf101, seriously bru, you're just turning into a terrible troll ...... it used to be funny, now it's just sad and I'll rbp it all because it's so petty.

[alf101]

alf101, seriously bru, you're just turning into a terrible troll ...... it used to be funny, now it's just sad and I'll rbp it all because it's so petty.

lol

Shame, you guys are just so emo.

Unbelievable. :D :D

[Mephisto_Helix]

Onto the game -


Robbed for sure, and I actually don't give a fsck about the haters and their "it's all the refs" bull****, you would have to be very un-South African to not admit that that ref did indeed cost a South African team the game. Good to see that we actually had attack this week and it goes to show, if our forwards drive it up with support and our backline runs straight, we can play better. Continue with this trend Sharks.

[Sting]

There some very dubious decisions made today.

@alf101: who's reffing your game today?

[cybershark]

I did.

I watched many sharks game.

Read through this this dude, it's ALWAYS the ref.

I have read this thread.

In this case the ref criticism is justified.

TMO awarded a try that clearly wasn't.

Ref gives Beale a yellow card for a deliberate knock down, but fails to have the guts to award a penalty try, when Kankowski had an open line in front of him.

[alf101]

I have read this thread.

In this case the ref criticism is justified.

TMO awarded a try that clearly wasn't.

Ref gives Beale a yellow card for a deliberate knock down, but fails to have the guts to award a penalty try, when Kankowski had an open line in front of him.

Yeah, I know. :)
This time I agree with you.

1st half he was ok though.

[Abe]

Ref gives Beale a yellow card for a deliberate knock down, but fails to have the guts to award a penalty try, when Kankowski had an open line in front of him.

Don't think it was about guts, it was a home town decision.

[Mephisto_Helix]

come on team, if you can lead it 16-13 at half time after an abysmal showing, all you need to do is pick it up and the Brumbies are beaten!

[Sting]

Brilliant chirp earlier in the game... Paul Marks is the one touch judge (asst ref). He pinged Bismarck for a dangerous charge into a ruck. Ref did not see it and based on TJ report, awards a penalty to the Brumbies. John Smit asks ref "was that a Paul Marks call?" CLASSIC!!!

[Mephisto_Helix]

he's suspended but still does TJ duty, makes no sense that.

[dal2000]

he's suspended but still does TJ duty, makes no sense that.

Agreed.

[APoc184]

Eish. Ndungane looks like he got smacked by Lennox Lewis.

+

Brilliant kicking display by Andy.

[dal2000]

:( another one lost...

[Mephisto_Helix]

Oh well, decent enough display at the notorious Canberra ground ..... still need to tinker some combo's imo. J Du Plessis needs to be gone and Adi Jacobs too.

[dal2000]

You forgot to mention paul marks too lol.

[Mephisto_Helix]

And don't forget that blatant smacks in the face seems to be allowed again, judging by today's display.

[alternate]

No comment.

[dal2000]

And don't forget that blatant smacks in the face seems to be allowed again, judging by today's display.

Yeah, surely that was a yellow card? Or a penalty, if not it seems it is then allowed right?

[alternate]

Yeah, surely that was a yellow card? Or a penalty, if not it seems it is then allowed right?

If that was a sharks player it would have been a yellow. It was after play had stopped and the sharks player did nothing. :/

[dal2000]

Oh well, I hope the Bulls give every single OZ team a hiding for us :)

[Devill]

Sorry to see them lose again but they are playing a bit better every week. I am sure they are sorrting out their problems.

Hope they win the next one.

[alf101]

Sorry to see them lose again but they are playing a bit better every week. I am sure they are sorrting out their problems.

Hope they win the next one.

They have to pretty much win all their remaining games to get to the semi's.
It can be done.

[Devill]

They have to pretty much win all their remaining games to get to the semi's.
It can be done.

Nha they have to play the bulls, so they might be able to win all of them barring one :D

[alf101]

Nha they have to play the bulls, so they might be able to win all of them barring one :D

I think they'll finish ahead of the Lions at least.

[Mephisto_Helix]

It's the perfect time to try better combo's now ... instead of aiming for playoffs. My opinion anyway.

[alf101]

It's the perfect time to try better combo's now ... instead of aiming for playoffs. My opinion anyway.

Bulls won 10 a row, so can the Sharks.

[Bizkit87]

didn't watch the game

what did the ref do wrong this time :p

/jk,
sorry to hear bout the loss, but from what i've heard/read, you guys are playing better. good luck for next week.

[CHURCHILL]

Yeah, surely that was a yellow card? Or a penalty, if not it seems it is then allowed right?

Rory K did the exact same slap last year to the Highlanders player, he was sent off the field, a penalty was given and he was banned for a match.

[Devill]

Bulls won 10 a row, so can the Sharks.

Pffft that is like saying Bolt can run the 200 in under 19.00 secs, so can most of the SAPD :rolleyes: (before the sharks get their panties in a bunch its a joke)
That was in the currie cup IIRC.

[alf101]

Pffft that is like saying Bolt can run the 200 in under 19.00 secs, so can most of the SAPD :rolleyes: (before the sharks get their panties in a bunch its a joke)

I'm trying to be postive, the emo sharks keep trying to get me banned for laughing at them.

[Devill]

I'm trying to be postive, the emo sharks keep trying to get me banned for laughing at them.
LOL :D

[AMG133]

The game was there to be won, but what an appalling decision to have Marks be a touch judge in the very next game with the Sharks! I mean if thats not pathetic god knows what is. So obviously there was NO surprise when there were 3 or 4 dubious calls by him against the Sharks.
First one was that he claimed Bismark went in to clear the ball with out binding, WTF? John Smit clearly told the ref, "was that a Paul Marks call?" & looked perplexed, Bismark even asked for an explanation of what he did wrong but was not given one. There were various incidents regarding him again for eg: he should cut about 10m of the distance when ever we kicked the ball out for touch, but the most noticeable ones were the one when Pienaar or Terblanche stabbed the ball through as the Sharks were attacking in the 74th minute and a Brumbies player right infront of Marks picked the ball up and walked it out near the 22, but Marks awarded the throw in to the Brumbies, I mean WTF? Then there is the petty part of him not managing to notice and tell the ref that Kanko was indeed onside when he tried to intercept the Brumbies ball that led to the winning penalty...

I said it before, that we like to bitch and moan at the ref. but this is getting pathetic.

[McT]

5 in a row. Ouch! I do look forward in a way to the team turning their fortunes around soon.

Do get the feeling that the chances of getting into the top 4 might just be a bridge to far to cross?

Still I remain loyal and hope that they can get it on soon.

[MercuryStorm]

maybe we can win our 6th... atleast we picking up bonus points so we wont be fighting the Lions for last place!

[Sephiroth96]

The sharks better win their 6th, maybe they should start testing new young players this season and see what talent they got.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Sharks Side to take on The Highlanders:

1. Beast Mtwarira
2. Bismark du Plessis
3. Jannie du Plessis
4. Steven Sykes
5. Johan Muller (C)
6. Keegan Daniel
7. Jean Deysel
8. Ryan Kankowski
9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Andy Goode
11. Jp Pieterson
12. Riaan Swanepoel
13. Adi Jacobs
14. Stef Terblanche
15. Patrick Lambie.
16. Craig Burden
17. John Smit
18. Alaister Hargreaves
19. Willem Alberts
20. Jacques Botes
21. Rory Kockett
22. Waylon Murray

Apart from No.3 (should have been Herbst), again it looks a good team. Hopefully they pull it together.

[Devill]

What time are they playing?

[Mephisto_Helix]

8:35am our time .... gonna have to go to bed early tomorrow night I am.

[AMG133]

Nice to see Lambie getting a start, he is pretty good.

[Mephisto_Helix]

I wish they would give poor old Mvovo a start, man that chap is dangerous!

[McT]

If they win tomrrow, that will raise expectation and make future games really stressful again :p

Time they get back to winning ways ... please!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

COME ON BOIS!!!

[Mephisto_Helix]

Scrum was awesome today, didn't go back once and pushed a few of the Highlanders scrums nicely. The 2nd half display was a good performance but it really got going when Goode went off. I think next week the only changes they should make is Kockett at 9 and Ruan at 10 ...... Ruan actually had a decent bloody game for once :D

Go Sharks!

[LancelotSA]

Ruan at 10

No comment! ;)

[Sting]

... and the youngster, Patrick Lambie, had a very good game at fullback. I was skeptical about moving Stefan to the wing, but it worked!

[Mephisto_Helix]

I know Stefan is a massive experience to have in the back but imagine what a Mvovo, Jpp, Lambie back three could be like ....... just saying.

[AMG133]

Brilliant game today, could have been a bigger margin win if we kept ball in had and won our line outs! but hey now isnt the time to complain! We WON! 4 points never felt sweeter!

[ToxicBunny]

Much better showing from the Sharks... much much better

[McT]

The team looked to have better balance this week and a bit of fire in the belly! Nice win. More of the same, please?

[Devill]

Congrats to the sharks.... the door is open an inch for you guys to sneak into the semis.

Good luck.

[AMG133]

Seems like Lambie will get more game time, which is good for us and him.

[Mephisto_Helix]

15. Patrick Lambie,
14. Stefan Terblanche,
13. Adrian Jacobs,
12 Riaan Swanepoel,
11. JP Pietersen,
10. Andy Goode, (idiots, idiots, idiots!)
9 Ruan Pienaar,
8. Ryan Kankowski,
7. Willem Alberts,
6. Jacques Botes,
5. Alistair Hargreaves,
4. Steven Sykes,
3. Jannie du Plessis,
2 Bismarck du Plessis,
1 John Smit.

16 Beast Mtawarira,
17 Wiehahn Herbst,
18 Wilhelm Steenkamp,
19 Jean Deysel,
20 Rory Kockott,
21 Waylon Murray,
22 Odwa Ndungane.

[Devill]

I hope you guys pull of another Victory :)

And hope the sharks stay injury free.

[springbokkie]

What a kick! Pienaar jou beauty!! :)

[Mephisto_Helix]

Now that was a game worth watching! The spirit that came from that game is what the Sharks should be about all the time. We actually strung phases together like we all know they can :D

[ToxicBunny]

Pienaar is an absolute legend...

We need a public holiday to celebrate that kick :D :D

[McT]

Pienaar is an absolute legend...

We need a public holiday to celebrate that kick :D :D

P.O.T.D.!!! :D And may there many more public holidays to be heralded for future feats!

[phoneJunky]

Well done to the Sharks, really happy to see them getting back together.

[AMG133]

What an awesome game! that try by JP was a superb team effort and the NZ commentators went as far as to call it the try of the season so far, that takes some doing to please those bunch!
We did let it slip abit towards the end, but that kick by Pienaar, speechless! his done it on so many occasions for us, cant wait to see them back at the tank!

[Devill]

Congrats to the sharks for being there to the end. I hope you guys keep improving week after week. Good to see RP kick a pressure penalty :)

[Mephisto_Helix]

Sharks team:

15. Patrick Lambie
14. Odwa Ndungane
13. Stefan Terblanche
12. Riaan Swanepoel
11. JP Pietersen
10. Andy Goode
9. Ruan Pienaar
8. Ryan Kankowski
7. Willem Alberts
6. Jacques Botes
5. Alistair Hargreaves
4. Steven Sykes
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. Bismarck du Plessis
1. John Smit ( Captain )

Replacements:

16. Craig Burden
17. Tendai Mtawarira
18. Wilhelm Steenkamp
19. Jean Deysel
20. Rory Kockott
21. Andries Strauss
22. Lwazi Mvovo

Come on team, pull off a magic win against the Reds for me :D

[ToxicBunny]

WTF... we drop Murray and keep Goode?!?!!

Who's bright spark idea is that?

[Mephisto_Helix]

Yeah it's a bit odd hey ....... Can't say I'm impressed with Murray though so maybe Stefan at outside center will spark something? And hopefully Goode just does his usual 40-50 minute stint and then buggers off for Kockett.

[LancelotSA]

Yeah it's a bit odd hey ....... Can't say I'm impressed with Murray though so maybe Stefan at outside center will spark something? And hopefully Goode just does his usual 40-50 minute stint and then buggers off for Kockett.

Yip, I think Stefan would be better at centre than where he was at wing. He unfortunately lacks just a wee bit of pace to play wing now. His vision may add another dimension to the backline. Just hop he is able to settle into the position at such short notice but I assume it has been practised this week. I'm assuming Murray must be ill or injured again as he is not even on the bench (?)

[LancelotSA]

Excellent stuff Sharks.

What a change when we started keeping the ball tight and getting the driving maul going. And just because we win does not mean the ref gets away without criticism! ;) A yellow card should have been issued for continued infringements in the ruck even after a warning was issued. And there were a few on field forward passes, knock ons etc that we missed that resulted in points.

[ToxicBunny]

Nice game boys..

Nice.... Though I def feel given the way we were playing in the 2nd half.. we should have gotten that 4th try, but the ref was not really co-operating with us too much.

[Mephisto_Helix]

I am hoarse from that damn match last night :D Some awesome displays once again and if he can continue to work on our mistakes, we can only get better and better.

[kaybeach007]

OK! If no one else is going to say it, then I will.

Who's bright idea was it to give Andy Bad a visa to get into this country? Who's idea was it to spend perfectly good money on that idiot?

Not a single tackle the entire game, not a single break the entire game. Cooper jogged passed him at will as and when he liked. Shocking!

Send him home!

[Mephisto_Helix]

Yeah it had to have been one of the Admin moegoes that pushed through with that. I'd even say put Dumond in for 60 minutes and then do the Pienaar/Kockett switch, there is no way Dumond is worse than Goode, no way!

[lilggg]

Seriously needed 4 tries this week,and last week.But well done for hanging in there.

[AMG133]

Its like we're blessed in getting dof Refs, oh well we showed good character to bounce back & hang in there for the win.

[Devill]

Its like we're blessed in getting dof Refs, oh well we showed good character to bounce back & hang in there for the win.

Blame the ref when you lose then blame the ref if you do not get the bonus point or win far enough :p:D

[APoc184]

Blame the ref when you lose then blame the ref if you do not get the bonus point or win far enough :p:D

Consistency. :p

[APoc184]

News just in.

Jannie du Plessis found not guilty.

[Devill]

News just in.

Jannie du Plessis found not guilty.

Awesome. Was a bit of a bum charge.... but he is a Saffa so he will be spotted and tried :mad:

[AMG133]

yeah it was a nothing, but his smile on the news last night was priceless like a child getting his christmas pressie!

[Devill]

yeah it was a nothing, but his smile on the news last night was priceless like a child getting his christmas pressie!

ROFL I saw that. It does seem to be a bit more even this year on sightings.

[McT]

No rugby this weekend for the Sharks :( so at least I don't have to stress about anything :) and I get a weekend off ;)

[APoc184]

Hehe. Sharks just bought another Cheetah.

Sias Ebersohn on his way to Durbs.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Cut that game close, yoh! Thank god for a damn good defence :D And well done to the Lions, wtf can't you play like that every week ffs :mad:

[Sting]

Typical SA derby!!! Too close for comfort.

[McT]

Another tight game. My nerves were frayed by the final hooter. Still it's a win and with a bonus point, so it keeps us in with a sniff?

Well done, Sharks! :D

Pity the poor Lions who must be wondering where there next win is going to come from. Eish!

[AMG133]

Was a prety intense game, felt kinda sorry for the Lions, but hell its a 5 pointer!

[AMG133]

Would you guys agree if I said the best thing to happen to us this season was the discovery of Pat Lambie? I mean I have always been a Terblance supporter. The guy is a legend, always has a cool head & can read the game better than anyone but this season he showed his age, making silly mistakes, not keeping the ball in hand & even now when moved into the role of center he still persists to show these flaws. Im not by any chance saying he should be given the boot, as that old phrase go's "form is temporary, class is permanent" but he needs to calm the ***** down when playing, his making to many rash decisions that cost us this season. if could have been the difference between nothing and 5 points. Lambie on the other hand is playing things by the book & adding a little something else to his game. He is brilliant under the high ball, makes good runs and because of his size he manages to slip past many players. I dont think he gets that much support from the other guys, he is quick so some of them are to slow to catch up with him, esp when he makes those runs. Anyways, lets hope Terblance kicks on soon, we need him too.

[DJ...]

I agree about Lambie - one of the best selection choices in recent years - that kid has great potential. Good on Bashford!

But if Lambie is the best selection choice this season, then Goode at flyhalf has to be the worst - that man hasn't had a decent game since joining the Sharks. I'd send him on the first plane back to Europe - ash cloud or not...

[AMG133]

lol, he had a good game for us while we were touring.

Heard Ruan could be out of Saturdays game with a knee niggle

[Devill]

lol, he had a good game for us while we were touring.

Heard Ruan could be out of Saturdays game with a knee niggle

That is very sad. He is just looking to get better and better every week.

Also I would love to see him vs Fourie.

See Mr Plumtree says Pienaar is better than Fourie ....

[DJ...]

See Mr Plumtree says Pienaar is better than Fourie ....

Pre-game hype. Carlos Spencer said he'd shake up the Lions' backline too...:D

[Devill]

Pre-game hype. Carlos Spencer said he'd shake up the Lions' backline too...:D

ROFL :D

Yes but shame on Plumtree for teling such aall story:p

I seriously hope Pdivvy now picks Pienaar on the bench as a Scrummie that can cover fly-alf if the need is really there rather than a fly-half that can play scrummie.

[D3x]

Lambie & Petersen should be given a shot at number 15 for the Boks. They both young but I think they have the heart to do SA proud.

[Devill]

Lambie & Petersen should be given a shot at number 15 for the Boks. They both young but I think they have the heart to do SA proud.

A season too early for Lambie. But I agree with Pietersen (I think he is back for the stormers after a hip injury).

[D3x]

A season too early for Lambie. But I agree with Pietersen (I think he is back for the stormers after a hip injury).

Yeah, I didn't mean like right now for Tri-Nations etc. I just think that given the chance to join the training camps & a few minutes game time they will shine.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Lambie - yes, he reminds me of another Frans Steyn .... Pietersen - has never really impressed me, so pass.

[Uli]

Lambie is more like a Andre' Joubert than a Frans Steyn.
Steyn is in a class of its own.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Yeah, I meant more in the 'talented youngster' way more than he's like Steyn way :D

[Uli]

Agreed!

[Devill]

Yeah, I didn't mean like right now for Tri-Nations etc. I just think that given the chance to join the training camps & a few minutes game time they will shine.

Jip I would send them to the training camps. Zane prob has the inside track if Pdivvy does not select Frans steyn from over the great waters :p

Zane isn't bad he is just not a game winner imo.


Lambie - yes, he reminds me of another Frans Steyn .... Pietersen - has never really impressed me, so pass.

Mmmm kind of like Percy imo...... But hay percy was a really really terrible full back :)

[Uli]

Look even though Percy was a great servant for South Africa, and did play a faily good game to the end of his career and helped us win the World Cup. He still wasnt a Andre' Joubert or a Frans Steyn.

[Mephisto_Helix]

@ Devill - exactly! It's like Pietersen needs to mature and go away and come back and then be good type of thing :D I truly think that Lambie could put one over Kirchner if put in the Bok team. And it's not a Bulls/Sharks thing, that's just my feeling on it ......

[Devill]

Look even though Percy was a great servant for South Africa, and did play a faily good game to the end of his career and helped us win the World Cup. He still wasnt a Andre' Joubert or a Frans Steyn.

Placing Frans in with Jouba is a bit premature imo.


@ Devill - exactly! It's like Pietersen needs to mature and go away and come back and then be good type of thing :D I truly think that Lambie could put one over Kirchner if put in the Bok team. And it's not a Bulls/Sharks thing, that's just my feeling on it ......

Like I said if Lambie holds form for another season then he should be included in the Boks group. You can read my statement about Zane on this very page :p

[Uli]

@Devil

Why do you think it’s premature? He has done so so much already and he is only 22 years old. Juba only really started play well in his last 6 years of his rugby and remember that he retired when he was 34 in 1999. Juba only played for SA 34 times and Steyn has already played 38 times. Yes I know Apartheid played a major role, but then again before Juba there was Theo van Rensburg, Gavin Johnson, Johan Heunis who was excellent. Also remember that Juba had lots of injuries when he played in his early years. So I doubt he would have played many more times for SA. So comparing apples these two guys are very similar, and both have different strengths that makes them both strong and great in their own.

[Pitbull]

@Devil

Why do you think it’s premature? He has done so so much already and he is only 22 years old. Juba only really started play well in his last 6 years of his rugby and remember that he retired when he was 34 in 1999. Juba only played for SA 34 times and Steyn has already played 38 times. Yes I know Apartheid played a major role, but then again before Juba there was Theo van Rensburg, Gavin Johnson, Johan Heunis who was excellent. Also remember that Juba had lots of injuries when he played in his early years. So I doubt he would have played many more times for SA. So comparing apples these two guys are very similar, and both have different strengths that makes them both strong and great in their own.

Now this was a fullback LEGEND !

[Sting]

Well played to the Bulls... but they will have to lift their game for the Stormers fixture.

[ToxicBunny]

Very well played to the Bulls... its unfortunate for us, but it was a good game.

[Devill]

@Devil

Why do you think it’s premature? He has done so so much already and he is only 22 years old. Juba only really started play well in his last 6 years of his rugby and remember that he retired when he was 34 in 1999. Juba only played for SA 34 times and Steyn has already played 38 times. Yes I know Apartheid played a major role, but then again before Juba there was Theo van Rensburg, Gavin Johnson, Johan Heunis who was excellent. Also remember that Juba had lots of injuries when he played in his early years. So I doubt he would have played many more times for SA. So comparing apples these two guys are very similar, and both have different strengths that makes them both strong and great in their own.

erm nr one because Steyn played as bench warmer for a lot of those games. his form in the green and gold was only consistant in the last prob 10 tests he played.... he can become a great but calling him a great now is really really silly.

[AMG133]

we only played for the first half, should have kicked their arse when I saw them in the morning at the airport, lol

[DJ...]

Curious as to what the team-talk was at half time that resulted in The Sharks not turning up to the game for the second. Was a kark second half performance from the Sharks and to be honest, the bulls weren't even having that great a game either. They will need to pick up their game against the stormers...

[Sting]

Curious as to what the team-talk was at half time that resulted in The Sharks not turning up to the game for the second. Was a kark second half performance from the Sharks and to be honest, the bulls weren't even having that great a game either. They will need to pick up their game against the stormers...

My thoughts exactly. A tale of two halves!

[Devill]

Curious as to what the team-talk was at half time that resulted in The Sharks not turning up to the game for the second. Was a kark second half performance from the Sharks and to be honest, the bulls weren't even having that great a game either. They will need to pick up their game against the stormers...

Or maybe the toxic mixture of high alt., good play by the bulls, PTA cold weather and some back breakers from the bulls got to them ;)

[SlyFly]

Go Stormers...

Thought I'd annoy a few Sharks :p

[Bizkit87]

mmm. not one south african team has spoiled anything for another this year, so i'm going with sharks to win :p but only just, 32-29, something like that....

good luck to both teams, make it a good one!

[Mephisto_Helix]

Team:

15. Patrick Lambie
14. Odwa Ndungane
13. Stefan Terblanche
12. Riaan Swanepoel
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Ruan Pienaar
9. Rory Kockott
8. Ryan Kankowski
7. Willem Alberts
6. Jean Deysel
5. Alistair Hargreaves
4. Steven Sykes
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. John Smit (captain)
1. Tendai Mtawarira


16. Craig Burden
17. Patric Cilliers
18. Wilhelm Steenkamp
19. Keegan Daniel
20. Jacques Botes
21. Andy Goode
22. Andries Strauss.


A decent enough team to give the Breezers a run for their money I reckon ....

[SlyFly]

MMM Interesting... Ruan starting at FlyHalf, might pay off might not...

[LancelotSA]

Team:

15. Patrick Lambie
14. Odwa Ndungane
13. Stefan Terblanche
12. Riaan Swanepoel
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Ruan Pienaar
9. Rory Kockott
8. Ryan Kankowski
7. Willem Alberts
6. Jean Deysel
5. Alistair Hargreaves
4. Steven Sykes
3. Jannie du Plessis
2. John Smit (captain)
1. Tendai Mtawarira


16. Craig Burden
17. Patric Cilliers
18. Wilhelm Steenkamp
19. Keegan Daniel
20. Jacques Botes
21. Andy Goode
22. Andries Strauss.


A decent enough team to give the Breezers a run for their money I reckon ....

Just a pity about Bismarck... we missed him last week too.