Sharks Supporters Thread

[Mephisto_Helix]

Just over a week to go fellow Sharks supporters ...... I am so ready for this :D

[Cokefest]

whoop whoop go sharks :)

[James]

Sharks beat Bulls 39-9 tonight in a warm up. Hope this is a sign of what all our results will look like!

[Mephisto_Helix]

I was just gonna post the article, lol. Pity it was the B team the cowards sent down ...... shame, poor Bulls still having CC nightmares :D


*Edit: and I see we've just been sticky'ed :D Thanks Mod-who-did-it ;)

[kiepie]

Looks like we have a Sharks Supporter Mod, quick sticky there... :p

Yip can't wait for the season to kick off!! :)

SHARKS all the way! :D

[Submolecule]

When is the first game of the S14?

[Mephisto_Helix]

Next Friday - Brumbies vs Highlanders - 8:35am.

[CHURCHILL]

Does anyone know if we have lost Bradley Barret to overseas yet? if not then i would like to see the backline as follows

Rory kocket -> Ruan Pienaar -> Brad Barret -> Frans Stein -> Wayland Murray -> JP Pietersen -> (old faithfull) Stefan Terablanche.

For the Forwards,

as long as Keegan Danials, Ryan Kankowski and Jean Diesal (spelling) are in the mix, i will be very confident.

[Mephisto_Helix]

He left at the close of the CC already ......

[cybershark]

Sharks SUPER 14 SQUAD as on 6.2.2009
BADENHORST S
BLIGNAUT N
BOTES J
CARSTENS D
CRONJE R
DANIEL K
DEYSEL J
DOWNEY J
DU PLESSIS B
DU PLESSIS J
DUMOND M
HARGREAVES A
JACOBS A
JORDAAN C
KANKOWSKI R
KOCKOTT R
MTAWARIRA T
MULLER J
MURRAY W
NDLOVU S
NDUNGANE O
PIENAAR R
PIETERSEN J P
SMIT J
STEYN F
SWANEPOEL R
SYKES S
TERBLANCHE S
VAN DEN BERG A
VULINDLU L

[Mephisto_Helix]

Monty Dumond made the squad?! Geezuz, why oh why :rolleyes:

[hoegh]

he is a twit! there is so much talent out there and they still pick him :rolleyes: anyway still a good side and fingers crossed, hopefully this is the year

[Mephisto_Helix]

I wonder what happened to those 3 youngsters we were trying out at some stage ... they seem to have just upped and disappeared (sorry, the names escape me for now but it was 1 fullback chap, a centre and a flyhalf if I'm not mistaken)

[Byakuya]

The sharks all the way, but what are our boys going to be wearing now that their kit manufacturer has gone insolvent?

[hoegh]

The sharks all the way, but what are our boys going to be wearing now that their kit manufacturer has gone insolvent?

im fairly certain the sharks have enough pulling power to find another kit sponser, but lets remember that it was only the local branch that went under, the sponsorship might be signed with canterbury internationally, who knows?? it will be interesting though

[Byakuya]

Only the local branch? oh, i see, so there is probably nothing to worry about then.

[CHURCHILL]

I wonder what happened to those 3 youngsters we were trying out at some stage ... they seem to have just upped and disappeared (sorry, the names escape me for now but it was 1 fullback chap, a centre and a flyhalf if I'm not mistaken)


Could it be Andries Strauss, he was a centre for the Sharks, and then just disapeared, and another guy could have been Charl Mcleod.

[Mephisto_Helix]

No, Strauss was with the Sharks for a while (and he was pretty awful truth be told) ... and Charl was the stand-in scrummie last year, wasn't him either.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Ah, Wesley Bodmer (I think) was one of them .......

[Mephisto_Helix]

RAWR !!! Kick off in an hour ....... me already has goosies :D

[ToxicBunny]

Bring and come ek se...

bunch of stormers is about to get pulverised..... :D

[ToxicBunny]

Right.. I can't watch anymore of that...

[waynegohl]

ha ha oh the pain of getting pulverised but anyway, John Smit runs like he is carrying a few pounds.

[ToxicBunny]

Ok, they're playing much better now than they started off....

ALthough, I would tend to agree John Smit is a bit slow atm... kind of a worry

[waynegohl]

no for sure the sharks are playing well but John Smit is absent in this game.

[waynegohl]

sorry spoke too soon.

[ToxicBunny]

Yeah you did :)...

[waynegohl]

a good comeback by the Sharks indeed.

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

Sharks defence and discipline is terrible.

[waynegohl]

congrats guys

[Mephisto_Helix]

Comeback and win of the season so far, hehe :D That's the grit that was lacking in the first half.


Side Note: To the shameful fsckers who Ole Ole Ole'ed during the minutes silence ... you're a disgrace :mad: And another thing, this awful booing used to be solely the reserve of The Lions fans ... I see the Stormers fans have joined the idiots.

[ToxicBunny]

Yeah I also noticed the booing malarky that those damn capetonians seem to have started... its not on.

[Alan]

Comeback and win of the season so far, hehe :D That's the grit that was lacking in the first half.

Yeah impressive determination. Signs of a title winning side if I dare say so. Best Stormer's player was Pinaaar lol. Missed penalties, 1 missed tackle leading to a try and another missed tackle that almost resulted in a try. One of those days shame :o



Side Note: To the shameful fsckers who Ole Ole Ole'ed during the minutes silence ... you're a disgrace :mad:

Absolutely pathetic :mad:. But fitting of a team consisting of 'leader' Puke Twatson. Can a team sink any lower?

[fonefreak]

Well done Sharks :D, shame the Capetonians losing the cricket (20/20) and the super 14 at home (OUCH)

[Knave]

To the shameful fsckers who Ole Ole Ole'ed during the minutes silence ... you're a disgrace :mad: And another thing, this awful booing used to be solely the reserve of The Lions fans ... I see the Stormers fans have joined the idiots.

+1 :( :mad:

[Byakuya]

Good of the boys to win yesterday!:D They need to keep this up!

[Submolecule]

I agree with the booing,that should not be a part of the game,but in saying that I have been to couple of rugby matches in Durban and there are also some idiots booing the kicker. I watched a international rugby match where the crowd was absolute dead silent while the kicker kicked, he missed all but one. The players get used to the noise as soon as the noise is removed then the kicker gets unsettled. Maybe something to try here at home.

[Kim_Webchick]

And the Sharks did us proud on Saturday Well done boys

[kiepie]

Haven't replies yet, but damn, what a comeback! :D

Can't wait for the weekend's match! Would like to see some improvements in the back line, but it will come with time, no doubt!

[DJ...]

Ruan Pienaar needs to pull his finger out of his ass now - he was very disappointing in the first game - his missed tackles (which directly caused a try against us), poor boot and piss poor tactical kicking could easily have lost us the game. In fact it was obvious that he resorted to calling crash ball with Steyn more often than not in the second half. Okay, it worked because the second half won us the game, however that had nothing to do with Ruan's calls or his boot.

I've always been a big Ruan Pienaar fan, however he has started off porly and needs to pull up his socks imo, and quickly...

[Mephisto_Helix]

Team stays unchanged as expected ...... brilliant news is that the Beast is back :D


Sharks team: Stefan Terblanche, Odwa Ndungane, Adrian Jacobs, Frans Steyn, JP Pietersen, Ruan Pienaar, Rory Kockott, Ryan Kankowski, Jean Deysel, Keegan Daniel, Johann Muller (captain), Steven Sykes, Jannie du Plessis, John Smit, Deon Carstens.

Replacements: Bismarck du Plessis, Tendai Mtawarira, Alistair Hargreaves, Jacques Botes, Ross Cronje, Riaan Swanepoel, Luzuko Vulindlu.

[Alan]

Ruan Pienaar needs to pull his finger out of his ass now - he was very disappointing in the first game - his missed tackles (which directly caused a try against us), poor boot and piss poor tactical kicking could easily have lost us the game. In fact it was obvious that he resorted to calling crash ball with Steyn more often than not in the second half. Okay, it worked because the second half won us the game, however that had nothing to do with Ruan's calls or his boot.

I've always been a big Ruan Pienaar fan, however he has started off porly and needs to pull up his socks imo, and quickly...

+100

Especially if he wants to stay at flyhalf


Team stays unchanged as expected ...... brilliant news is that the Beast is back :D

Great news :cool:

[Mephisto_Helix]

Thought I'd pop in just to say WD SHARKS !!! :D I think I prefer this new 'patient' approach rugby ........

[ToxicBunny]

Still wanted the damn bonus point.... *mutter*

[orin76]

Still wanted the damn bonus point.... *mutter*

Sharks need to be a bit more clinical. For most of last year's tournament, the only difference between them and the Crusaders was the number of bonus points.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Bah, a win was a win, bonus points won't matter too much if we just win every game of the season :D Anyway, here is the touring squad (barring any injuries from last night) -

Sharks Touring Squad

Skipper Badenhorst
Jacques Botes
Deon Carstens
Ross Cronje
Keegan Daniel
Jean Deysel
Bismarck du Plessis
Jannie du Plessis
Alistair Hargreaves
Adrian Jacobs
Ryan Kankowski
Rory Kockott
Tendai Mtawarira
Johann Muller
Waylon Murray
Skholiwe Ndlovu
Odwa Ndungane
Ruan Pienaar
JP Pietersen
John Smit
Francois Steyn
Riaan Swanepoel
Steven Sykes
Stefan Terblanche
Albert van den Berg
Luzuko Vulindlu

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

The Sharks aren't convincing me so far. They are scrappy and undisciplined. At times they looked as bereft of a gameplan as the Stormers.They need to get their act together if we are going to win this year.

Against wooden spoon fodder like the Lions and Stormers we need to get good points differentials and bonus points.

Our scrumming is absolutely abysmal as well.

[Alan]

Another great away win. 4 games( 3 away) 4 wins:cool:

[Mephisto_Helix]

2 out of 2 in NZ ....... now just 2 out of 2 in OZ and I'm happy :D Good to see that the chaps are staying patient. I can handle scrappy-ish play if we come together near the end for the win.

[DJ...]

Problem is that we're leaking points at the moment. The immense defence that is usually our strong point is not firing on all cylinders, so if we can continue the great offensive game and pick up our defensive game, we will be unbeatable.

Great win nonetheless. The Blues are having a sorry start to their S14 season...

[Kim_Webchick]

How well did the boys play on Saturday, they need to keep this up for the rest of the games!!! Well done boys

[lilggg]

I can see us winning most our games nd losing in the semi's or final,when it counts.

[cybershark]

another week, another abomination ref.

[Serqet]

22 - 3

Woooohooooo go sharkies

[ToxicBunny]

Eish.. don't be jinxing it yet....

[Serqet]

eish good point. *holds thumbs*

[ToxicBunny]

Blerry hell... they're liable to give me a heartattack playing like that.

Congrats on winning though, wish we'd got the bonus point though.

[Serqet]

yea me too! bonus point woulda been lekker.

well done boys!

[PostmanPot]

GG.

[N1sh]

Great second half performance once again.

I got a good feeling about this season,

[I am Penguin]

Steyn was absolute ***, he was poor, poor, poor!


Anyone else watching this rubbish?

Sharks or more like Kockott vs the Reds and Steyn?

Steyn needs to cut his hair and go to France, PLEASE... He is getting worse and worse, knocks balls, takes drop goals with overlaps on the outside, doesnt pass... The list is endless...

All this while it seems like the Sharks only send half a team on to the field... Jacobs, Smit, etc. etc. You dont hear about them or see them doing ANYTHING... It seems like only Kockott jogged onto the field :/

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP.


Before the season, they said they'll keep Steyn at inside centre and then we'll see him vs De Villiers for the Springbok spot. Well, there is absolutely no comparison or competition between them. De Villiers has been brilliant every game and Steyn has on average been poor.

Kockott didn't help with some poor passes to Steyn, but Steyn was pathetic today (again).


Francois Steyn has no discipline. And therefore is game is nowhere.



Perth - The Sharks scored three tries to beat the Force 22-10 in their Super 14 match on Saturday as they ended their overseas tour on a high.

The Durban franchise will return home on Sunday with 13 points collected on tour after three wins and they couldn’t have asked for anything more.

The first half was characterised by extremely hard-fought rugby, with both sides running the ball when the opportunity arose, but were equally guilty of coughing up possession in good field position.

Force flyhalf Matt Giteau opened the scoring in the 10th minute with a penalty before that was nullified by a well-taken Frans Steyn drop-goal about 20 minutes later.

Those three points for either side were to be the only time the scorekeepers would be troubled though, as neither side managed to finish off attacking opportunities.

The Sharks got off to a much better start in the second half as winger JP Pietersen scored a great breakaway try in the 42nd minute.

Went on attack

Scrumhalf Rory Kockott was unsuccessful with the conversion from an acute angle but the five points gave the visitors an advantage.

The Force fought fire with fire though and had most of the possession for the next ten minutes but great defence from the visitors denied them time and time again. Then in the 58th minute, the Sharks forced another turnover and winger Odwa Ndungane found himself in space and darted down the right touchline for their second try.

Moments later, the Sharks went on attack again and after Steyn broke through several tackles to go close, Kockott picked up and went over for another try. When he converted his own touchdown, it was suddenly 22-3 to the visitors.

The hosts hit back a bit later as winger Scott Staniforth went over for their first try, but it was a mere consolation and not nearly enough.

Scorers:

Sharks: Tries: JP Pietersen, Odwa Ndungane, Rory Kockott Conversions: Rory Kockott (2) Penalties: Drop-goals: Frans Steyn.

Force: Tries: Scott Staniforth Conversions: Matt Giteau Penalties: Matt Giteau.

Yeah, I agree, get rid of Frans!

[DJ...]

An OK performance - first two tries were very lucky and we owe that win to some much improved defence and some luck on our part. However after last week's game we seemed to come out in complete defensive mode in the first half. That's not how you win a game, let alone the S14. Come on boys - you have the talent to walk out with winning confidence on every occasion.

I must admit though, not sure what game Bryce Lawrence was watching but that really was some pathetic refereeing. I haven't sworn that much at a tv since Andre Watson cost us the Currie Cup in the mid 90s (can't remember the year :o ) His performance was abysmal and it is further reason why there needs to be a referee citing commission. It can only serve to improve the level of refereeing across the globe. Much the same way as players are now wary of playing dirty or recklessly, the refs should be held to the same level of accountability considering the influence they can have over the outcome of a game. Some of his calls were just bizarre, to put it nicely.

A few issues I picked up on though:

Why is Steyn not the preferred touch finder? As much respect as I have for Terblanche, Steyn has a much bigger boot and is still a consistent touch finder when the situation calls for it.

We play the best rugby when we're securing the ball at the breakdown, and we are not doing so very well at all this season. The turnovers against us were unacceptable at the level expected of The Sharks.

If we were able to secure the ball at the breakdown better, we'd be able to draw more defenders in to the ruck situation which opens up the space for the backline, who today proved themselves to be the fastest in S14 imo. Holy schmoley - Ndungane and Pietersen left the Force's defence in tatters with the first two tries.

Once and for all now, either play John at prop or hooker and make your minds up. We have a supreme hooker in the form of Bismarck and we know that the tight forward trio of John, Bimarck and Beast is a formidable one. We then have sufficient backup in Carstens and Du Plessis for when the boys get tired in the second half or for injuries. I don't see why they need to swap and change all the time.

Lastly, Stefan Terblanche must be most wanted fullback in SA at the moment. He is consistently efficient at every thing he does and some of his defensive tackles helped save us that game. As much as the scoreline reflects a fairly easy win (considering their try was a late second half one), we could very easily have found ourselves on the back foot again, chasing points and making errors in the process. Stefan was our saving grace on many an occasion when first time tackles weren't made and we need to tighten up that aspect of our game.

All in all though, they are issues that we all know The Sharks are capable of rectifying very easily and we haven't even begun to fire on all cylinders. When that moment comes, we will be unstoppable and I reckon the first game back home will see the start of a new invincible kind of form. Overall I reckon the trip down under can be considered a success and we have now built the platform to make 2009 a black and white season!!!

[Alan]

Awful first half. I thought oh no going to lose in Aus yet again. Forwards were on vacation the backs had forgotten how to tackle.... The second was a complete turn around. Great performance. 3 possible reasons. 1) Plumtree got stuck in at the half time team talk 2) The Force number 8 was looking for **** the whole game and managed to seriously piss Steyn off and after that he was a different player 3) The Beast coming on and steamrolling the opposition. From the moment he came on it was as if their forwards were running into a concrete wall. Eventually the pressure told and they made mistakes leading to our counter attack tries

Also note the poor scrumhalf charging down a Steyn punt. Sounded like a gunshot going off :eek:. The guy carried on running for a few paces then faceplanted into the ground

Oh and Bryce Lawrence was crap as usual. Worst ref in the Super 14. Second time we've had him this season :sick:

[Mephisto_Helix]

I agree with the 1st half being unforgettable ...... luckily that 2nd half was what it was, brilliant.

On the subject of these pompous, incompetent refs .... what more can I say that I haven't already said numerous times. They are obviously 'above' all laws and nothing will ever be done about them ... ever. Maybe it's time a campaign such as the Save the Springbok one is needed where we, the paying public, can bring about some action with regards these asses, sorry, Refs.

[elysian]

Why is Steyn not the preferred touch finder? As much respect as I have for Terblanche, Steyn has a much bigger boot and is still a consistent touch finder when the situation calls for it.

Yeah, he is the bigger kicker, but you will recall from Saturday's game that he failed to find touch from a penalty in the first half. Maybe they let the other guys kick after that.

[I am Penguin]

Yeah, he is the bigger kicker, but you will recall from Saturday's game that he failed to find touch from a penalty in the first half. Maybe they let the other guys kick after that.
So for the one miss he must be crucified! Hang him, get rid of him. send him to France, send the whole team for losing one match!

[Alan]

Yeah, he is the bigger kicker, but you will recall from Saturday's game that he failed to find touch from a penalty in the first half. Maybe they let the other guys kick after that.

Yeah Steyn can be a little *ahem* inconsistent

[ToxicBunny]

Hell.. for that boot we can live with a bit of inconsistency if you ask me...

[DJ...]

Yeah, he is the bigger kicker, but you will recall from Saturday's game that he failed to find touch from a penalty in the first half. Maybe they let the other guys kick after that.

Happened to Andre Joubert on the odd occasion as well but I'd have given him the touch finding kicks any day of the week...

[Alan]

2nd on the log with the home leg to come( one away game to the Cheetahs IIRC). Surely we'll finish top and can look forward to a home semi and final.

[James]

Steyn needs to calm down and play rugby and understand he can not do everything. He far too often does not pass when he should, kicks when he should hold it, passes it when all he should do kick and worst of all and this cost us the S14 and has almost cost us more, he runs when all he should do is kick for touch.

He needs to go back to basics, slow down and improve his consistency. Until he does this, his hot/cold games are going to cost us. He has done more wrong than he has done good this season. Finally on the Steyn bashing... he is not a flyhalf. I am not even too sure about him at centre. I think he would be a brilliant full back but at the moment he would be benched as Stafan has made that position his own in the Sharks outfit.

[N1sh]

Kewl! This thread got stickied.

Very interested to see to the Sharks performance this week.

Although their second half play is impressive. The better teams in the competion will take advatage of their poor first half performances.

[Serqet]

I can't believe the ref didn't award that try to the sharks just now. *sigh*

[DJ...]

Steyn had better pull his finger out of whoever's ass it's been in to warrant him starting again. His immaturity is showing now and those ridiculous grubber kicks after multiple phases over the advantage line, in the Brumbies' 22 are really pissing me off. I've always been a Francois Steyn fan but he's proving now why support for his spot in the Sharks and the Boks is dwindling.

Well, we haven't lost a second half yet this season so here's hoping for at least 20 unanswered points in the final 40min and a bonus point, to boot.

Stefan Terblanche, once again, what a player!!! Best fullback in world rugby right now imo. Solid playmaker and one of the best defensive players in the game. He impresses me more and more every game...

[The_Pumpkin_King]

bwahahahaha i thought the ref had died from the noise he made :p

[ToxicBunny]

Bonus point.. w00t.... heppiness

[waynegohl]

sharks are dirty players with lots of off the ball stuff.

[ToxicBunny]

Oi!.. watch that mouth of yours boi....

:p

[waynegohl]

ha ha ha

[rwenzori]

sharks are dirty players with lots of off the ball stuff.

At least they win! :p

[Mephisto_Helix]

1x Brumbies team = pwned!!! :D

[waynegohl]

At least they win! :p

true :p

[The_Pumpkin_King]

1x Brumbies team + ref = pwned!!! :D

fixed ;)

[Mephisto_Helix]

ah hehe, forgot about that bumhead getting tackled by Smit :D

[rwenzori]

fixed ;)

LOL yes! :D

[James]

Steyn Steyn Steyn... I honestly think he needs to go play some Vodacom Cup and get his game up to scratch. He let tries through, missed too many tackles and kicked away too much possession. Great game though and very very happy for the win!

[Alan]

Steyn had better pull his finger out of whoever's ass it's been in to warrant him starting again. His immaturity is showing now and those ridiculous grubber kicks after multiple phases over the advantage line, in the Brumbies' 22 are really pissing me off. I've always been a Francois Steyn fan but he's proving now why support for his spot in the Sharks and the Boks is dwindling.

Well, we haven't lost a second half yet this season so here's hoping for at least 20 unanswered points in the final 40min and a bonus point, to boot.

Stefan Terblanche, once again, what a player!!! Best fullback in world rugby right now imo. Solid playmaker and one of the best defensive players in the game. He impresses me more and more every game...

IMO Steyn is paying the price for his versatility. The poor guy almost never gets a run of games in one position. He's still young and learning yet he is never offered consistency . IMO his best position is FB. Unfortunately for him Stefan is the best FB in the country by miles.


sharks are dirty players with lots of off the ball stuff.

What compared to your Cape poofs :eek:. If they paid as much attention to the ball and not the opposition player's backside they might, just might start getting some results :p:D

[waynegohl]

at least our girls play rugby like men. :D

[Alan]

at least our girls play rugby like men. :D

:D

Seriously though Cape chicks are better looking

[waynegohl]

ha ha ha

[Serqet]

No way! JHB girls are the best!! We also don't have those annoying catch phrases like:

That mountain is power hey...hundreds hey....

hehe :D

[ToxicBunny]

JHB girls are materialistic.....

Durban girls are just the bomb.. they're hotter and don't mind not getting lots of money spent on them... :D

[Alan]

JHB girls are materialistic.....

Durban girls are just the bomb.. they're hotter and don't mind not getting lots of money spent on them... :D

Agree about yuppie JHB girls. Not to mention Brakpan specials :sick:

Durban girls are rather weathered for lack of a better word. :o

[James]

Durban girls are rather weathered for lack of a better word. :o

You mean they have awesome tans, are really hot or they come with the thunder :D

[Mephisto_Helix]

Eish, good chance that JP won't play against the Hurricanes due to injury ..... Luzuko Vulindlu might be the one being looked at as a replacement (very good but still a rookie).

[James]

I am keen to see what Luzuko Vulindlu has got, it is a pity about JP though but Luzuko looks like he has something.

[DJ...]

I am now absolutely gatvol with Francois Steyn. Drop him or move him back to centre - he is not a flyhalf's ass and is proving that the more often he plays in the position...

[hashbrown99]

Do you think The Sharks enjoy giving their supporters a nearheart attack?

[VJB 449]

Well done Sharks - one team that makes us proud.

[Good Life]

No way! JHB girls are the best!! We also don't have those annoying catch phrases like:

That mountain is power hey...hundreds hey....

hehe :D

JHB girls are the worst, period :eek:

[elysian]

Nice to see Frans Steyn start to hit a bit of form today. I've been bitching about Steyn quite a bit lately (deservedly so), but if he is definitely in Peter De Villiers plans, then I hope he comes good. Perhaps it was the home fans' booing in the first half that spurred him on.

Finally good to see that the Sharks supporters are willing to reveal their true feelings. Although I did feel for the guy when the crowd turned their back on him with that poor first half. It's one thing swearing at your TV, it's totally different when the home crowd boos a player for the world to see. I wouldn't say his second half was brilliant, but a big improvement.

[Submolecule]

Nice to see Frans Steyn start to hit a bit of form today. I've been bitching about Steyn quite a bit lately (deservedly so), but if he is definitely in Peter De Villiers plans, then I hope he comes good. Perhaps it was the home fans' booing in the first half that spurred him on.

Finally good to see that the Sharks supporters are willing to reveal their true feelings. Although I did feel for the guy when the crowd turned their back on him with that poor first half. It's one thing swearing at your TV, it's totally different when the home crowd boos a player for the world to see. I wouldn't say his second half was brilliant, but a big improvement.

I was at the game - it was ironic that most of the crowd booed him when he missed the first drop goal, but was the hero in the second half when he kicked one over.

The sharks played poorly, but luckily so did the canes. The sharks capitalized on some errors and other than a couple of lucky tries they never looked like stringing together a back line move that could penetrate the defense.

Top of the log is well deserved but they will have to play better if they want to win.

Go Sharks

[elysian]

I was at the game - it was ironic that most of the crowd booed him when he missed the first drop goal, but was the hero in the second half when he kicked one over.

The sharks played poorly, but luckily so did the canes. The sharks capitalized on some errors and other than a couple of lucky tries they never looked like stringing together a back line move that could penetrate the defense.

Top of the log is well deserved but they will have to play better if they want to win.

Go Sharks

There was a period (in the first half, IIRC) where the 'canes outmuscled the Sharks in the scrums and rucks. The period when Steyn decided to run the ball from his 5 metre line. The 'canes pack was 80 kgs heavier. Need Jean Deysel back.

[Alan]

I was at the game - it was ironic that most of the crowd booed him when he missed the first drop goal, but was the hero in the second half when he kicked one over.

Yeah that booing was distasteful :mad:



Do you think The Sharks enjoy giving their supporters a nearheart attack?

That's the risk of playing counter attack rugby. We let them back in the game


There was a period (in the first half, IIRC) where the 'canes outmuscled the Sharks in the scrums and rucks. The period when Steyn decided to run the ball from his 5 metre line. The 'canes pack was 80 kgs heavier. Need Jean Deysel back.

Not the first time this season it's happened. Daniel, Botes and Kankowski are too similar IMO.

[Mephisto_Helix]

I think it's about time people got off this Steyn-Bash train .... I was disgusted to hear a Sharks player being booed by the home support :mad: That crap does not belong in Durban and neither does the constant stupid remarks about Steyn's hair for that matter ... FFS.

Onto the game, I think we played well enough and considering that we have what, 4 first choice players out due to injury, we did ok. Also take into consideration that we have yet to have a bye and have only just come home and it's even more of a feat that we are top of the log.

[Kim_Webchick]

Once again the boys made us proud!!!!!!!:) :) :)

[cybershark]

Another week, another bottom of the gene pool ref.

[ToxicBunny]

WTF... is about all I can say to this match.....

[The_Pumpkin_King]

well that sucked!

[waynegohl]

oops!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

has odwa touched the ball?

[waynegohl]

maybe in the tunnel.

[kiepie]

What curse is on Bloemfontein, our record sucks on that ground! :(

[chiskop]

That was ****.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

maybe in the tunnel.

i think he missed it then to :p

[kiepie]

Reds, Cheethas?

Are the Sharks underestimating the weaker teams?

[DJ...]

Awful, atrocious and abominable performance by The (supposed) Sharks today. Pathetic ref, but we'd have still lost it with even a decent ref on the pitch. Cheetahs played really well and The (supposed) Sharks just folded under the pressure. We practically handed them their tries on a silver (or was it orange?) platter. Steyn was terrible again (I'm sick and tired of him now) and might as well have scored the Cheetahs' second try for them. Jordaan hopefully just lost his place in the team for some time - throwing his opposite number over the try line - wtf!? And not a single decent attacking opportunity.

ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC! Cheetahs deserved that win...

[waynegohl]

i think he missed it then to :p

ha ha ha most likely

[ToxicBunny]

I hope they all get a bloody klap around the back of the head for that performance today.. it was ATROCIOUS and is not the kind of rugby a team of the Sharks calibre should be playing...

It was more school boys playing against a professional team.

[kiepie]

Cilliers hopefully just lost his place in the team for some time - throwing his opposite number over the try line - wtf!?
[/QUOTE]


:mad: 10meters at least!!

[Gamer]

Yeah, we have an arrogance about us when we play the weaker sides. It costs us. So dissapointing.

[Gamer]

Cilliers hopefully just lost his place in the team for some time - throwing his opposite number over the try line - wtf!?


Wasn't that Chris Jordaan, not Cilliers.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

line outs were fscked from the first whistle! bench smith! :p

[DJ...]

Ah yeah, you're right. That was Jordaan. And it's a pity because he showed so much potential in the 7s games and a few of the domestic games he's played. But his inexperience is a liability...

[Gamer]

line outs were fscked from the first whistle! bench smith! :p

100% agreed, I remember a Springbok game against the ozzies where Smit (not smith) lost it for us with his shocking lineouts. He's a great player, just not brilliant and when he cocks up, he does so royally.

[Mephisto_Helix]

So the (I call it stupidity) 'inexperience' of Jordaan and Vulindulu come to the fore eh .... man they were atrocious. As for the rest of the team, maybe someone can let them know that they were supposed to show up in Bloem today .... coz what I saw was not a top of the table team :mad:

[Alan]

Thankfully I missed the game. Yet again our bogey teams get us. Cheetahs and Reds

[Devill]

Little hicup no worries sure the sharks will, like the bulls, still end under the top 4 :)

[The_Pumpkin_King]

hope the boys show up for the game today

[The_Pumpkin_King]

hey we won the line out!:D

[waynegohl]

knock on....knock on....knock on.....

[hashbrown99]

No!!!!!:mad::o:(:sick:

[ToxicBunny]

Pathetic display...

What the hell has happened to the team?

[hashbrown99]

hope the boys show up for the game today

:( nope


Pathetic display...

What the hell has happened to the team?

+1 :mad:

[Mephisto_Helix]

No excuses for the schoolboy display but ffs, how long are these Crusaders gonna get preferential treatment from fscking refs. Forward passes, lying all over the ball, blatant slowing down over and over and over, constantly being offside ....... the list goes on.

[dakeyras]

No excuses for the schoolboy display but ffs, how long are these Crusaders gonna get preferential treatment from fscking refs. Forward passes, lying all over the ball, blatant slowing down over and over and over, constantly being offside ....... the list goes on.


Everything about the ref you say is true, BUT, the boys have gone up against that before and come back with a win. Hopefully the rest next weekend is what they need to pick up their game again. 10 weeks in a row has to be tough on anyone.

[Picard]

The sharks lost this game.

Knock-ons is the single worst part of this game that we call rugby. I wish it didn't exist.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Everything about the ref you say is true, BUT, the boys have gone up against that before and come back with a win. Hopefully the rest next weekend is what they need to pick up their game again. 10 weeks in a row has to be tough on anyone.

I think we're the only team to not have had the bye already no? If that's the case, that's actually messed up if you think about it ..... that everyone else gets a rest except us.

[cybershark]

I think we're the only team to not have had the bye already no? If that's the case, that's actually messed up if you think about it ..... that everyone else gets a rest except us.

Yes, it's no coincidence, that the Sharks & Waratahs the last two teams to have a bye, have looked tired, slow and lacking in ideas the past few weeks.

As for our play, it's disjointed and individualistic, hopefully the return of Ruan Pienaar will bring more structure and teamwork back to our play. And our first phase possession has had a few issues of late, scrums being inconsistent, some very good and bad ones; lineouts were a disaster last week, slight improvement this week, but still way down compared to our first 6 games.

And the refs, the less said the better, the Aus refs have always been bad, but their performances this S14 have been absolutely terrible. NZ refs were good, but in the past 2 years they've dropped to Aus standard. Our refs, specifically our top 4(Kaplan, Lawrence, Joubert, Jonker) are usually quite good, and consistent, but even they are battling to be consistent with their officiating of the rucks.

If one team can play the ball on the ground at the rucks and the other can't(one team can turn the ball over at the ruck despite having no players on their feet), the question then becomes what's the point to playing, since there are more rucks than anything else in a game of rugby.

Now I'm not saying the refs are cheating, though some are so bad it could sure look like it. A good ref is usually evident by his ability to read the game, good positional play and make good consistent decisions under pressure. But if you don't have that you will continually get to the rucks too late and penalise the first thing you see, which is usually the 3rd infringement. That slowness to the rucks usually gives the teams on average 2 seconds to play the ball on the ground.

NZ seems to have got the idea an ex-player makes a good ref, want proof that's not necessarily true, look no further than Bryce Lawrence.

As for the supposed "Elite panel" that's officiating in S14 this year, that's a contradiction in terms while it's loaded with substandard officials.

The only solution is to have an independent impartial body under the IRB for refs where they are properly and regularly evaluated and tested to see whether they're up to standard or not. But this will never happen while England and Australia continue to have a too dominant say in the IRB.

Sorry I ignored my comment about the less said the better :p lol

[waynegohl]

Sharks are skollies, man.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Wtf is up with this Craig Joubert (Touch Judge) ... first he says Kockott has to get a red for a vicious punch when the replay shows it's a flattie slap and then he pings Daniel for a spear tackle and the replay shows it's not in the slightest a spear tackle :mad: Stupidd arse!


At least we won and the two tries we got were from attacking not defending ......

[cybershark]

Wtf is up with this Craig Joubert (Touch Judge) ... first he says Kockott has to get a red for a vicious punch when the replay shows it's a flattie slap and then he pings Daniel for a spear tackle and the replay shows it's not in the slightest a spear tackle :mad: Stupidd arse!


At least we won and the two tries we got were from attacking not defending ......

Yes, it's almost as Craig Joubert is worried about seeming to be biased, so he points out Shark's indiscretions, and ignored Highlander ones. As was evidenced in the studio discussion after all the games, where Darren Scott showed a few Highlander high tackles that went unpunished.

I would've also slapped the person who deliberately pushed my face in the ground.

Yes, we scored some tries from attacking play. Pity we made so many knock-ons again :(

[Mephisto_Helix]

Pity we made so many knock-ons again

yep, that has me a wee bit worried too ...... dunno why we seemingly have decided not to hold onto the ball lately :confused:

[elysian]

yep, that has me a wee bit worried too ...... dunno why we seemingly have decided not to hold onto the ball lately :confused:

I read a stat recently and I think it said that Kockott and Steyn have the most number of handling errors in the S14 this season. Bismark is trying his best to beat them.

[cybershark]

Kockott gets one-week suspension (http://www.supersport.com/rugby/article.aspx?headline=Kockott%20gets%20one-week%20suspension&id=298589)

[Sneeky]

a 90kg scrummy floors a 6ft5in 112Kg flank with a open handed biatch slap back hand!

Adam John Thomson, this is for you

http://www.filmindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/oscar.jpg

[elysian]

a 90kg scrummy floors a 6ft5in 112Kg flank with a open handed biatch slap back hand!

Adam John Thomson, this is for you

http://www.filmindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/oscar.jpg

Yeah. But I suppose Thomson did well in falling immediately.

Remember a few years ago when Big Joe van Niekerk got a slap on the ear when playing for the Springboks? He thought about it for a bit and then collapsed as if he had been shot. Ref told him to get up and get on with the game.

[elysian]

Steyn out for rest of S14 (http://www.supersport.com/rugby/article.aspx?id=298622&headline=Steyn%20out%20of%20rest%20of%20Super%2014 )

[Sneeky]

unlucky, really enjoy the game he plays.

Gonna make Bok side predictions interesting.

[springbokkie]

To be honest, I'm not his biggest fan anymore. Somewhere along the line, he has lost the spark he had last season and the season before that.:(

Poor decision making, taking the ball in too many times and the line breaks have dried up, yes I know he gets analyzed by the opposition, but surely that's not the reason for his performance.

[Sneeky]

I remember Habana also having a very lean spell after the opposition closed him down.
I like Steyn cause he seems capable of almost anything, and drop goals from the halfway line are awesome!

Each coach seems to have their own opinion of where he should or should not play, must make it difficult for him to settle in a position/role.

Still, great things to come from such a young talent yet.

[Sting]

Gautengers, why not join the local Sharks Supporters Clubs? I signed up for the Pretoria chapter... It is fun walking around Pretoria in a Sharks shirt, especially when the Bulls lose. A trip is being organised to watch the Bulls game in Durban on 16 May. Luxury bus, 2 nights accommodation and game ticket for R1050.

http://www.sharkspretoria.co.za/

[Devill]

Gautengers, why not join the local Sharks Supporters Clubs? I signed up for the Pretoria chapter... It is fun walking around Pretoria in a Sharks shirt, especially when the Bulls lose. A trip is being organised to watch the Bulls game in Durban on 16 May. Luxury bus, 2 nights accommodation and game ticket for R1050.

http://www.sharkspretoria.co.za/

Thats not a bad deal seeing as the ticket = +- R100 ; bus = R700 there and back.

PS Hope pienaar has a great game so that he can show us all why he is suppose to be the next bok flyhalf

[Zyzzyva]

It seems Brad Barritt has returned from Saracens to replace steyn.

Very good news indeed.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Hmm, I dunno .. if he's in form and has managed to fit in at training, then ok, he might be a help. I never thought he was that good when he was with us though so I don't know why everyone is carrying on like he's some returning God :confused:

Apart from that, I think we have a fairly capable team to beat the Waratahs tomorrow -

15. Stefan Terblanche
14. Odwa Ndungane
13. Adrian Jacobs
12. Brad Barritt
11. JP Pietersen
10. Ruan Pienaar
09. Charl McLeod
08. Ryan Kankowski
07. Jean Deysel
06. Jacques Botes
05. Johann Muller ( C )
04. Steven Sykes
03. Jannie du Plessis
02. Bismarck du Plessis
01. Tendai Mtawarira

Replacements
16. John Smit
17. Deon Carstens
18. Albert van den Berg
19. Keegan Daniel
20. Monty Dumond
21. Riaan Swanepoel
22. Luzuko Vulindlu

[cybershark]

The performance gets worse by the week, lots of individualistic play, knock ons, not much else.

[CrzWaco]

ai wat maak die sharks hul speel soos of hul op learskool is

[Mephisto_Helix]

So the weather, lackluster playing, bad reffing and absolutely shocking calls by the TJ and good 'ol Shaun Veldsman (our favourite TV ref) end our season .... barring mathematical BS. Lovely stuff :mad:

[kiepie]

Personally we only have ourselves to blame, no flare at all! :(

[sand_man]

Very disappointing end to the Sharks Super14 campaign... I can only assume some of the top players are thinking about the challenges the Lions pose and not focusing on doing the job at hand...

[Zyzzyva]

Trying to work out why we are playing like we are is quite the riddle.

Any ideas?

Based purely on the players body language it just doesnt seem like they are enjoying being on the field. They have low work rates and are sluggish.

Perhaps the early injuries in the backline, coupled with low rotation of players has created some player fatigue (possible mental). I get the sense with muir's last season he swopped and changed to much, now we are sitting with the opposite.

Ludike on the other hand rested non injured players quite heavily. The bulls seem to have more fight in them.

But beyond that, the poor finishing is hard to explain. I would like to see the sharks play more structured running rugby. Their helter skelter stuff is getting a bit tiresome. Part of me thinks our players are battling to get themselves in the right psotions because of the "unstructured nature" of the sharks structure. When they do, it works well, but when they start dropping 50/50 passes and confidence drops, landing the 50/50 stuff just gets harder and the pressure builds.

I'm hoping the changes to ther rules next year will make the game a little smoother.

[alf101]

Not much chance of the Sharks getting to the semi's now.
At least they did better than the Stormers.

[Mephisto_Helix]

I think it's about high time that the useless Grant Bashford, out backline coach (afaik) gets thrown out with the trash ..... Balie Swart, the forwards coach, has earned more time and I suppose in the absence of anyone else, John Plumtree can have another bash at it but Bashford needs to be replaced by someone who can actually get out backline firing.

[Sting]

I'm too upset to comment!

[Mephisto_Helix]

Hehe, I'm also upset but hey 1) **** happens (by **** I mean injury disruptions and a useless backline coach) and 2) I'm still a Sharks supporter.

[Sting]

+1

[Devill]

Hehe, I'm also upset but hey 1) **** happens (by **** I mean injury disruptions and a useless backline coach) and 2) I'm still a Sharks supporter.

The sharks have only the sharks to blame...

They should have won last weekend with a bonus point and they should never have lost against the cheetahs.

But like you said water under the bridge. Maybe you can beat the bulls with a bonus point next week.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Well, I don't know so much about the Cheetahs .... they seem to be worthy of being much further up the log when they feel like it, I mean, they almost beat the Bulls last night too. So I'd rather have the loss against the Reds as the shameful match and the Crusaders and Waratahs losses as the Silly-Play-and-Dreadful-Ref-Decisions matches.

[alf101]

Well, I don't know so much about the Cheetahs .... they seem to be worthy of being much further up the log when they feel like it, I mean, they almost beat the Bulls last night too. So I'd rather have the loss against the Reds as the shameful match and the Crusaders and Waratahs losses as the Silly-Play-and-Dreadful-Ref-Decisions matches.

U sound almost like a Stormers fan :o

[Mephisto_Helix]

Nah I don't ..... coz if I was a Breezers fan, I'd have hung myself last season already :p

[alf101]

Nah I don't ..... coz if I was a Breezers fan, I'd have hung myself last season already :p

:)
Next season...

[Devill]

Nah I don't ..... coz if I was a Breezers fan, I'd have hung myself last season already :p

Lol, well you are showing the same characteristics as the weepee guys :p:D

[alf101]

Lol, well you are showing the same charactiristics as the weepee guys :p:D

Yup, just needs to hate Naas now.

[cybershark]

A Disciplinary Hearing was held on Monday into the citing of Waratahs replacement scrumhalf Brett Sheehan for a late and dangerous tackle on Sharks center Bradley Barritt following Saturday’s Super 14 match in Durban.

Sheehan was represented by lawyer Stephan Weyers and his case was heard by SANZAR Judicial Officer Attorney Dekker Govender.

The Waratahs replacement scrumhalf admitted that his shoulder made contact with the Sharks player. The Judicial Officer ruled that the incident between the two players was unavoidable as both players were running at each other, at pace. Govender also added that the incident was a collision rather than a tackle.

The case against Sheehan was not upheld by the Judicial Officer. As a result the player will be available for selection the Waratahs’ next Super 14 match against the Auto & General Lions in Johannesburg on Friday night.
http://www.sarfu.org.za/default.asp?des=article&id=299572

Our useless citing commissioner strikes again, unavoidable, so it's ok to collide into someones neck :mad:

[DJ...]

What a heap of crap - that was a blatant shoulder charge - he even increased his own momentum to make the challenge. WTF!? :mad:

[Devill]

The SA players are the black sheep of the Southern teams :mad:

[Mephisto_Helix]

Oh lovely, just what I needed to hear to improve my black mood ..... how the hell do the ykeep getting away with the **** they do. You know, I'm starting to see a freaky thing here ...... it seems out citing bumheads are acting just like our refs ..... over-trying to come across as non-biased, to the point of punishing us. Yeah, it may sound conspiracy theorish but I challenge you to watch the games where we (SA team) played a NZ or OZ team and had a SA ref in charge and not find their actions against us a little disturbing ;)

[Gothan]

http://www.sarfu.org.za/default.asp?des=article&id=299572

Our useless citing commissioner strikes again, unavoidable, so it's ok to collide into someones neck :mad:


If it was a bulls player you can bet your behind he would not have see a s14 game again. Remember the bakkies incident, one little elbow and out for 3 games. Stegman, dangerous tackle, 3 game ban

[Submolecule]

With all these citings soon players will not allowed to tackle another player, they will have to gently touch and fall to the ground in an orderly manner.

[DJ...]

We'll be playing touch rugby by the next world cup at this rate...:mad:

[Mephisto_Helix]

Oh it just gets better ...... Craig Joubert, he of the "It was a vicious punch, give him a red" when dealing with the Kockott open handed slap, is in charge on Saturday in the Sharks vs Bulls match. Watch this space for a flurry of decisions in the Bulls favour ;)

[Bizkit87]

Oh it just gets better ...... Craig Joubert, he of the "It was a vicious punch, give him a red" when dealing with the Kockott open handed slap, is in charge on Saturday in the Sharks vs Bulls match. Watch this space for a flurry of decisions in the Bulls favour ;)

I thought it was "us" bulls supporters that always blame the ref??? ;)

[Mephisto_Helix]

I don't see how that would be the case ....... you play so dirty so often and get away with it, I dunno why you'd have to complain about reffing decisions at all :rolleyes:

[Bizkit87]

I don't see how that would be the case ....... you play so dirty so often and get away with it, I dunno why you'd have to complain about reffing decisions at all :rolleyes:

I thing there is a fine line between playing dirty, and playing rough? you agree...

the sharks aren't that clean either, just not as much in the spotlight, the rest of the country don't hate the sharks as much as they hate the bulls, so all their little shina****ns aren't scrutinized as much as the bulls'

I watched most sharks and bulls games this season, and neither of these two teams are saints.... there were quite a few times the sharks did some things that bakkies in his worst day can't conjure up

[Mephisto_Helix]

well let's just say the Bulls are more cynical at it ........ not to mention getting too much joy from the fact ...... like creepy joy :p

[Gothan]

Oh but you have bismarck, and that man revels in the art of dirty tactics

[Mephisto_Helix]

atm he can't even handle a frikkin ball let alone engage in dirty tactics, lol :D

[Gothan]

Well no matter how much we take the wind out of each other, atleast we both support the only two rugby teams in south africa

[Mephisto_Helix]

You Sir, have made a valid point ;)

[N1sh]

Anybody have any idea about how the Sharks could make it into the semi's? I know they have to beat the bulls with a bonus point but what about the other games involving the Waratahs, Crusaders and etc?

[Mephisto_Helix]

I believe it was broken down here - http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/05/11/so-what-miracle-exactly-are-we-hoping-for/ :D

[N1sh]

I believe it was broken down here - http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/05/11/so-what-miracle-exactly-are-we-hoping-for/ :D

Thanx Mephisto, guess we'll be supporting the Chiefs, Lions, Blues and lastly the Sharks :D this weekend.

[Devill]

Maybe the bulls should let you guys win :p but we just want the two points for a home semis :D

[SlyFly]

If the Bulls let the Shark win by a milestone they can end up higher than the Chiefs, if the Brumbies win ofcourse and the Chiefs get NOTHING out of it... Score atm 7 - 7

Haha, Sharks really need a lot of ifs and buts

[CHURCHILL]

I think it works out better for the Sharks if the Chiefs win without a bonus point.

[Bizkit87]

can you post that "miracle" here, the breakdown, blocked at work :(

[CHURCHILL]

The easiest way for the Sharks is if:

Chiefs beat Brumbies
Blues Beat Saders
Sharks beat Bulls

or

The Sharks can sneak into the Vodacom Super 14 semi-finals even if the Crusaders do beat the Blues in Auckland in their final league match on Friday.
While many are assuming that a Crusaders win will be enough to ease the Sharks out of contention, that is not quite correct. When the Sharks watch the Auckland game on television on Friday morning, they will be hoping for a Blues win as first prize – but a Crusaders win without a four try bonus point would be enough to at least keep them in contention.

Provided the Chiefs do what they are expected to do by beating the Brumbies in Hamilton on Saturday, it would mean that the Sharks will still have hopes of making the semifinals when they start their match against the Bulls at ABSA Stadium late on Saturday afternoon.

The catch, of course, is that they will have to score four tries against the 2007 winners, which would enable them to go level with the Crusaders (and the Brumbies if they beat the Chiefs) on log points. Both teams are one log point ahead of the Sharks at present, but both also have inferior points differences in comparison to the Durban team.

If the Sharks are set the task of beating the Bulls by a big score, it will be a massive ask given the defensive capabilities of the Bulls.

from sport24

[SlyFly]

I think it works out better for the Sharks if the Chiefs win without a bonus point.

Indeed, thats what they did...

10 - 7 for the Chiefs...

Now the Crusadors just need to win without a bonus point and the Sharks should just beat the Bulls...

[CHURCHILL]

Right, thats one result gone the Sharks way, 2 to go.

Damn i wish the Sharks did not have to rely on other teams, but its our only chance

[Mephisto_Helix]

Yep, 1 down, 3 to go ............

[CHURCHILL]

Yep, 1 down, 3 to go ............

Who is the 3rd?

[Mephisto_Helix]

Lions vs Waratahs tonight - Crusaders vs Blues tomorrow morning and the Sharks vs Bulls game.

[Bizkit87]

Gonna throw a spanner in the works here....

but if you need so many things to happen for your team to get into the semi's , you probably don't deserve to be there...

You guys shouldn't go and hope for this result and that result, go look back at the Reds and Cheetahs games, and ask what went wrong there?

just my 2c....

unfortunately i'm a bulls supporter, and the chiefs won, so i want the bulls to win (had the chiefs lost, a loss for the bulls could have still seen them on top of the log)

[Mephisto_Helix]

1st, leave your fanboy comments at ze door .... 2nd, most Sharks fans have said we don't belong in the semi's but being that we actually support our team through thick and thin, we will still get behind them for a semi spot k .....

[CHURCHILL]

Gonna throw a spanner in the works here....

but if you need so many things to happen for your team to get into the semi's , you probably don't deserve to be there...

You guys shouldn't go and hope for this result and that result, go look back at the Reds and Cheetahs games, and ask what went wrong there?

just my 2c....

unfortunately i'm a bulls supporter, and the chiefs won, so i want the bulls to win (had the chiefs lost, a loss for the bulls could have still seen them on top of the log)

Fair enough, lets say it was the Bulls in this predicament, surely you would hope/wish for the same results.

Its true, the Sharks have no one else to blame but them selfs, but its not time to give up.

[Bizkit87]

1st, leave your fanboy comments at ze door how is that fanboy comment? I gave my opion, whether the team would have been sharks/bulls/cheetahs/lions/stormers, situation is the same....


lets say it was the Bulls in this predicament, surely you would hope/wish for the same results. - Ofcourse, but i'm just tired of people laying it out about *this* and *this* and that....

NEVER did i say you shouldn't support you team to the death? did i?

I was just saying
if you need so many things to happen for your team to get into the semi's , you probably don't deserve to be there...


As a bulls supporter, i can guarantee you nothing would have been better than another potential bulls/sharks final ;)


Its true, the Sharks have no one else to blame but them selfs, but its not time to give up basically my point

But, good luck on saturday, i'm sure it will be one of the best games of the season (let's hope when it gets to the game, you guys can still play for a semi final spot)

..... and may the best team win :D

[Mephisto_Helix]

which will be the Sharks ..... just thought you could take that and spread it around BB land :p


I still don't think it was 100% the teams fault for this ..... like I've said before, our backline coach is IMO, useless and needs to go and we need to procure depth. Look what happened when we had injuries to key players. A lot of Sharks fans are mad that 1) Straulie isn't procuring depth and 2) that the Sharks Academy players aren't getting used more. Add to that the very costly errors on the part of refs, touch judges and TMO's and a very late bye week and we have the current situation.

[SlyFly]

Im actually a Stormers supporter, but I support the Sharks as my second team, because the Stormers suck... I don't like the Blue Bulls, but for me it's more about getting 2 SA teams in the Semi's... I also want the Bulls to have a home semi, but I want South Africa to do good and having the Sharks in the Top 4 is a good result for SA rugby as a whole... Because in the end we are still all Springboks (With a Protea on the right)

[Devill]

Hope the sharks get their inclusion and the bulls their semi :p

Doubt it will happen though :(

[Mephisto_Helix]

Well, if the Hurricanes lose to the Reds tomorrow, all the Bulls need is 1 BP to qualify for a home semi and they can get that by losing to us within 7. And if all the other results go our way, the log can end like this -

Chiefs
Bulls
Sharks
Whoever

Win win for both SA teams :D

[Devill]

Well, if the Hurricanes lose to the Reds tomorrow, all the Bulls need is 1 BP to qualify for a home semi and they can get that by losing to us within 7. And if all the other results go our way, the log can end like this -

Chiefs
Bulls
Sharks
Whoever

Win win for both SA teams :D

See id rather like getting the log looking like this

Bulls
Chiefs
Sharks
Whoever :p

[SlyFly]

Except they will play each other in the Semi's we want them to meet in the Finals... ;)

[Mephisto_Helix]

Aye, finals is better ....... but even if tomorrow is our last game for '09, I'll be hooliganing like it's a final :D

[SlyFly]

Okay... Almost had it, still a chance...

[alf101]

Crusaders vs Blues
3 -3 at the moment

[Mephisto_Helix]

Still in with a semi spot ........ just need to beat the Bulls now with a bonus point and we will go fourth (if I'm not mistaken).

[davemc]

I cannot even put 20c on the sharks game tonight.
I'm too embarrassed to admit that I support them.

[Mephisto_Helix]

then you're not a worthy Sharks fan ........ you can't even be classed as a supporter with a view like that.

[I am Penguin]

I cannot even put 20c on the sharks game tonight.
I'm too embarrassed to admit that I support them.

What a loser!

Sharks must win with bonus point! Maybe they savedthebest for last. Sharks forever!

[alf101]

I cannot even put 20c on the sharks game tonight.
I'm too embarrassed to admit that I support them.

Aye, u could be a stormers fan.:o

Good luck to the the Sharks, will be good to have 2 sides in the semi's.

[SlyFly]

How can a ball from a shoulder not be forward...

So whenever you challenge a ball, you shouldnt try to catch it just "shoulder" it forward, because thats not considored a knock-on? What rubbish is that?

[orin76]

Well, it's all over for the Sharks. Awesome performance though, just a pity about the result. If only they played with that kind of passion in the previous 3 weeks. Well done to the Bulls.

[Mephisto_Helix]

I applaud the Sharks effort ...... now that is how a Sharks team plays. Well done for giving it your all :cool: As for the Bully Boys ... I sincerely hope you see your arses next weekend against whoever it is ...... spoiling tactics and foul play won you this game and you know it ..... my support will be for your opposition ;)


Sharks, see ya in the CC final again huh :D

[smokey]

I applaud the Sharks effort ...... now that is how a Sharks team plays. Well done for giving it your all :cool: As for the Bully Boys ... I sincerely hope you see your arses next weekend against whoever it is ...... spoiling tactics and foul play won you this game and you know it ..... my support will be for your opposition ;)


Sharks, see ya in the CC final again huh :D

Meh.

Imagine if it had been over two legs. Sharks probably would have won it in the last second. You still would have complained, but a lot less:p

/still grumpy about Champions League
/at least one Blue team didn't dissapoint...

[orin76]

I applaud the Sharks effort ...... now that is how a Sharks team plays. Well done for giving it your all :cool: As for the Bully Boys ... I sincerely hope you see your arses next weekend against whoever it is ...... spoiling tactics and foul play won you this game and you know it ..... my support will be for your opposition ;)


That's not very nice. I hate the Bulls as much as the next guy, but I really hope they beat the Crusaders next week. South African rugby could use another Super14 title. I agree on the spoiling tactics though, but that's nothing new for the Bulls.

[I am Penguin]

How can a ball from a shoulder not be forward...

So whenever you challenge a ball, you shouldnt try to catch it just "shoulder" it forward, because thats not considored a knock-on? What rubbish is that?

Agreed, I wonder how much the bulls pay that ref.

[Mephisto_Helix]

any team that wins by using spoiling tactics and downright dirty play deserves no and will get no support from me .......

[Mephisto_Helix]

Agreed, I wonder how much the bulls pay that ref.

Home semi-finals bring in a lot of cash, so I'd guess he got a lot .......

[I am Penguin]

I applaud the Sharks effort ...... now that is how a Sharks team plays. Well done for giving it your all :cool: As for the Bully Boys ... I sincerely hope you see your arses next weekend against whoever it is ...... spoiling tactics and foul play won you this game and you know it ..... my support will be for your opposition ;)


Sharks, see ya in the CC final again huh :D

I hang my head in shame. The bulls really lost all my respect. JP should be banned from playing ever again and Bakkies need a 6 week suspension.

Well done Sharks. Pity you fsucked it up in the previous few matches you lost. But playing 16+ men in a team is difficult to say the least.

[M0nk3yl0v3r]

*SIGH* reaches for a spoon, removes shirt.... feels for breastbone

[orin76]

any team that wins by using spoiling tactics and downright dirty play deserves no and will get no support from me .......

Fair enough, but the Sharks have only themselves to blame for the situation they found themselves in this weekend. I think they peaked way too early this season. Nevertheless, I still think they rock and I look forward to watching them win the Currie Cup.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

:mad::mad::mad:

[Abe]

I hang my head in shame. The bulls really lost all my respect. JP should be banned from playing ever again and Bakkies need a 6 week suspension.

Well done Sharks. Pity you fsucked it up in the previous few matches you lost. But playing 16+ men in a team is difficult to say the least.

Both yellow cards were hogwash. If you want to be picky, just take a look at how Stefan T tackeled the one bull in the air. I am neither a sharks nor bulls supporter and the sharks did not deserve to be in the position they were in, let alone win the game. If anything, the bulls got the wrong end of the ref more then the sharks and not the other way around. The sharks did not even get a warning yet they must have committed 5 offences at the breakdown in a row, in the red zone, at one point in the second half.

If you want to blame someone, blame the sharks for all of the kickable penalties that they decided not to take. The count was on 4 when it was only 20 minutes into the game.

[alf101]

If they had beaten the Cheetahs...

[I am Penguin]

Both yellow cards were hogwash. If you want to be picky, just take a look at how Stefan T tackeled the one bull in the air. I am neither a sharks nor bulls supporter and the sharks did not deserve to be in the position they were in, let alone win the game. If anything, the bulls got the wrong end of the ref more then the sharks and not the other way around. The sharks did not even get a warning yet they must have committed 5 offences at the breakdown in a row, in the red zone, at one point in the second half.

If you want to blame someone, blame the sharks for all of the kickable penalties that they decided not to take. The count was on 4 when it was only 20 minutes into the game.

You call a yellow card for a deliberate dangerous stiff arm tackle hogwash? I can see who you really support. Watching with some misty glasses maybe?

[Abe]

You call a yellow card for a deliberate dangerous stiff arm tackle hogwash? I can see who you really support. Watching with some misty glasses maybe?

I support the Lions, not the bulls or sharks. ST jumped up as he was tackled and ended up going into the arm. The arm was swinging a bit but if it he wasn't using it then you would have complained about a shoulder charge. It was definitely not deliberate. What about Pieterson using an elbow to the throat to push off the bulls twin. That was a lot worse and he got nothing. I suppose it's accidental when its done by a shark.

[I am Penguin]

I support the Lions, not the bulls or sharks. ST jumped up as he was tackled and ended up going into the arm. The arm was swinging a bit but if it he wasn't using it then you would have complained about a shoulder charge. What about Pieterson using an elbow to the throat to push off the bulls twin. That was a lot worse and he got nothing.

That was protecting himself. His hands was holding the ball. What is different from what he did and a straight arm handoff in the face? Don't be a joke. What JP did borders on assault with intent. He deliberately used his straight arm in a circle swinging movement to dislodge Stefan's head! He never attempted to use both arms to tackle. The same with Bakkies Botha earlier but he got away with it. Seems to me the only way the Bulls know how to win is with dirty tactics.

[Abe]

That was protecting himself. His hands was holding the ball. What is different from what he did and a straight arm handoff in the face?

Law 10.4 (a). "A player must not strike an opponent with the fist or arm, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s)."

Not the same as a hand off which is legal.

[I am Penguin]

Law 10.4 (a). "A player must not strike an opponent with the fist or arm, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s)."

Not the same as a hand off which is legal.

He did not "STRIKE" the attacker. That is what Bakkies AND JP did. He fended himself with his arm while holding the ball with both hands as far as I can remember it did hit the attacker in the throat but that was far from deliberate and the REF agreed. Remember the ref was clearly wearing a blue jersey. Maybe you watched a different broadcast.

[Abe]

He did not "STRIKE" the attacker. That is what Bakkies AND JP did. He fended himself with his arm while holding the ball with both hands as far as I can remember it did hit the attacker in the throat but that was far from deliberate and the REF agreed. Remember the ref was clearly wearing a blue jersey. Maybe you watched a different broadcast.

Have a look at the replay. He was holding the ball in his right hand and hit the defender with his left elbow. Thats why he dropped the ball because he was only holding it with one hand.

BTW: Bakkies did not use any of "fist or arm, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s)". He pushed with an open hand. I am not saying it was legal but a flat hand is definitely not going to do as much damage as an elbow.

[Abe]

He did not "STRIKE" the attacker. That is what Bakkies AND JP did.

I am not the only one who seems to disagree with you:

http://www.sarugby.net/default.asp?des=article&id=300271


Bakkies Botha shoved Ryan Kankowski in the face at a ruck

Thats what it was, a shove. Also the next two pieces are interesting.


Bulls showed massive commitment and poise to survive the questionable sin-binning of two players – JP Nel in the 23rd minute and Deon Stegmann in the 34th.


If there was a measure of doubt about Nel’s misdemeanour Stegmann’s dismissal was downright unfair because he was on his feet trying to wrest free the ball from a man on the ground while being held and tugged by Bismarck du Plessis in a palpably off-sides position.

But obviously everyone that disagrees with you is one eyed. Even if they don't care which side wins.

[kiepie]

For once the referee was "fair" towards the Sharks! :D Accept it! :p

The "disadvantage" team still won, so no point in going on about it now. :rolleyes:

[Gothan]

I am not the only one who seems to disagree with you:

http://www.sarugby.net/default.asp?des=article&id=300271



Thats what it was, a shove. Also the next two pieces are interesting.





But obviously everyone that disagrees with you is one eyed. Even if they don't care which side wins.

Yes its actually very strange how Bismarck was not cited, for actually sitting on Stegmans back (stegman's yellow card incident), and the wrong side of the ruck. But oh well, even when the sharks played with 16 players and the bulls with 14, the bulls still kicked butt.

Best moment, when Pierre Spies ran over (yes over) kanko

[Bizkit87]

I applaud the Sharks effort ...... now that is how a Sharks team plays. Well done for giving it your all :cool: As for the Bully Boys ... I sincerely hope you see your arses next weekend against whoever it is ...... spoiling tactics and foul play won you this game and you know it ..... my support will be for your opposition ;)

Sharks, see ya in the CC final again huh :D

Proudly SA Rugby supporter ???? if this is your views on the ONLY SA team in the super 14 semi's (and we didn't get there by just beating you guys, we got there by winning 10 out of 13 games....)

Just wonder how you can actually support a foreign team next week? and still proudly support the Springboks?

Admit you got beaten by a better team, support them next week (for the sake of SA Rugby, and national pride) and try again next year....

if you can't.... rather then don't watch at all....:cool:

[DJ...]

If only we'd concentrated on actually winning the game and then going after the bonus point. Those three penalties early in the 1st half, practically in front of the poles (which resulted in no points for the Sharks) could have done us nicely...;)

[SlyFly]

I wish all the games the teams went for the bonus points first... Makes it much more interesting to watch... Maybe they should considor making it so that you get 2 points for 4 tries in a game, or even 3 for 5...

We need to get the teams scoring tries again and stop them from kicking all the time... It makes it much more interesting to watch...

Think if you win you get 4 points, if you score 4 tries and win you get 6... If you loose with less than 7 and score 4 tries you get 3 points... Sounds much more fair to me... How can loosing with just 7 points and scoring 4 tries be considored the same, aka 1 point?

[alf101]

And -1 if u get a red card.

[Mephisto_Helix]

Proudly SA Rugby supporter ???? if this is your views on the ONLY SA team in the super 14 semi's (and we didn't get there by just beating you guys, we got there by winning 10 out of 13 games....)

Just wonder how you can actually support a foreign team next week? and still proudly support the Springboks?

Admit you got beaten by a better team, support them next week (for the sake of SA Rugby, and national pride) and try again next year....

if you can't.... rather then don't watch at all....:cool:

.... I'll give you the same answer as earlier .......


any team that wins by using spoiling tactics and downright dirty play deserves no and will get no support from me .......

And as for this logic
Just wonder how you can actually support a foreign team next week? and still proudly support the Springboks? :confused: ... you might want to realise that the Springboks are not the Bulls.

[Abe]

If only we'd concentrated on actually winning the game and then going after the bonus point. Those three penalties early in the 1st half, practically in front of the poles (which resulted in no points for the Sharks) could have done us nicely...;)

Thats where I think the messed up. If the sharks were 28 - 10 up at half time (assuming they took the 3 penalties), it would have been game over.

[Devill]

Fair enough, but the Sharks have only themselves to blame for the situation they found themselves in this weekend. I think they peaked way too early this season. Nevertheless, I still think they rock and I look forward to watching them win the Currie Cup.

Well said. This is a true fan, he sees his teams problems / faults and accepts them and still stays loyal. Well done.


You call a yellow card for a deliberate dangerous stiff arm tackle hogwash? I can see who you really support. Watching with some misty glasses maybe?

ROFL :D

Have you read your own comments? Between you and MH I can not decide who is the bigger crybaby. FFS grow up, the ref was fair and did not as you claim lean towards the bulls. "Loser whine about giving it their best, winner go home and Fsck the prom queen".


Yes its actually very strange how Bismarck was not cited, for actually sitting on Stegmans back (stegman's yellow card incident), and the wrong side of the ruck. But oh well, even when the sharks played with 16 players and the bulls with 14, the bulls still kicked butt.

Best moment, when Pierre Spies ran over (yes over) kanko

I lol'd :D

If the sharks had played like that against any of their previous 3 opponents they would have been in the semis. They did not thus they are not there. Yesterday the bulls played for 20 mins with 14 men, the sharks could not keep their cool while the bulls could and did.

The better team on the day won, deal with it.