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Alan
04-04-2009, 08:50 AM
Barack Obama made an impassioned plea to America’s allies to send more troops to Afghanistan, warning that failure to do so would leave Europe vulnerable to more terrorist atrocities.

But though he continued to dazzle Europeans on his debut international tour, the Continent’s leaders turned their backs on the US President.

Gordon Brown was the only one to offer substantial help. He offered to send several hundred extra British soldiers to provide security during the August election, but even that fell short of the thousands of combat troops that the US was hoping to prise from the Prime Minister.

Just two other allies made firm offers of troops. Belgium offered to send 35 military trainers and Spain offered 12. Mr Obama’s host, Nicolas Sarkozy, refused his request.

The derisory response threatened to tarnish Mr Obama’s European tour, which yesterday included a spellbinding performance in Strasbourg in which he offered the world a vision of a future free of nuclear weapons.

Mr Obama – who has pledged 21,000 more troops to combat the growing insurgency and is under pressure from generals to supply up to 10,000 more – used the eve of Nato’s 60th anniversary summit to declare bluntly that it was time for allies to do their share. “Europe should not simply expect the United States to shoulder that burden alone,” he said. “This is a joint problem it requires a joint effort.”

He said that failing to support the US surge would leave Europe open to a fresh terrorist offensive. “It is probably more likely that al-Qaeda would be able to launch a serious terrorist attack on Europe than on the United States because of proximity,” he said.

The presidential charm offensive failed to move fellow Nato countries. President Sarkozy told Mr Obama that France would not be sending reinforcements to bolster its existing force northeast of Kabul.

Germany, Italy, Poland, Canada and Denmark said that they were considering their positions. After a meeting with Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, Mr Obama tried to apply further moral pressure. “I am sure that Germany, as one of the most important leaders in Europe, will be stepping up to the plate and helping us to get the job done.”

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, the Nato Secretary-General, warned that new laws proposed by President Karzai in Afghanistan sanctioning child marriage and marital rape had made it harder to raise more soldiers.

“We are there to defend universal values and when I see, at the moment, a law threatening to come into effect which fundamentally violates women’s rights and human rights, that worries me,” he said.

“I have a problem to explain to a critical public audience in Europe, be it the UK or elsewhere, why I’m sending the guys to the Hindu Kush.”

The temporary British deployment falls short of the 2,000 soldiers that the Army had planned to deploy long-term to Afghanistan and appeared to catch defence chiefs by surprise.

Mr Brown announced the commitment as he flew into Strasbourg for the two-day summit, but hopes that it would spur other allies to follow suit were soon dashed. British officials said that the extra troops, expected to number between 500 and 700 – increasing Britain’s military strength there to about 9,000 – would be dispatched to southern Afghanistan for a four-month period leading up to and beyond the election, due to take place on August 20.

The plan is to withdraw them once the election is over. Mr Brown said that the extra troops were only supposed to provide a “temporary uplift”.

Military contingency plans remain on the table to send up to 2,000 more troops long-term, taking the total to 10,000, but that will depend on the political will to approve the deployment.

Although the Prime Minister discussed Afghanistan with President Obama when they held bilateral talks before the G20 summit in London, it is understood that no formal offer of extra troops was made.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6032342.ece

What happened to unity and "Yes we can" :o. The irony is he did exactly the same thing to his own country with Iraq so I guess he can't complain.

Just_Ice
04-04-2009, 12:09 PM
What happened to unity and "Yes we can" :o. The irony is he did exactly the same thing to his own country with Iraq so I guess he can't complain.
Very true

PeterCH
05-04-2009, 01:27 AM
4,000 troops and $100 million in pledges for the Afghani Army.

TonyHawk
05-04-2009, 01:55 AM
The American politicians never planned to retreat out of Afgan or Iraq.. it's true... Obama is just a pretty puppet of the world bankers
America's bread & butter is war & medical drugs... always has been... always will be if unchecked

PeterCH
05-04-2009, 03:05 PM
The American politicians never planned to retreat out of Afgan or Iraq.. it's true... Obama is just a pretty puppet of the world bankers
America's bread & butter is war & medical drugs... always has been... always will be if unchecked

People who make comments like those deserve to be under the competitors' thumbs for a while. You know it's a pity you could not have experienced life under Soviet or Chinese domination. You can still read up about Tibet or travel to China where the regime can try you and even execute you for non-violent crimes.

As for medical drugs, you do realise that most drugs are either donated free of charge or sold at reduced prices to 3rd world countries. Even in SA there are tons of HIV drugs being sold to the govt at discount, tons of other meds and drugs like Fluconazole (R3000 per course) are given away free to the State to treat deadly meningitis and stomach candida infections in AIDS patients. You should compare the prices of medications in SA and in the US for example, you'll see if you Google for anti-Cholesterol meds or anti-Blood pressure meds that these same drug is much cheaper in SA and the government gets them on real cheap tender too. Not to mention the amount of drug research money being sunk into the 3rd world where trials on already tested meds are going on all the time and the drug companies promise to treat the patients for 2-5 years post trial and pay the costs of blood tests too. Then don't forget PEPFAR - the biggest single contribution by anyone - guess who - George W Bush - thousands of people in Africa are alive because of his money. Then there are private foundations - Bill and Melinda Gates is one of many - millions of dollars in TB, HIV, Malaria, etc research and treatment. Even church medical organisations get lots of money from US churches - both Catholic and Protestant.

Nanfeishen
05-04-2009, 07:31 PM
As for medical drugs, you do realise that most drugs are either donated free of charge or sold at reduced prices to 3rd world countries. Even in SA there are tons of HIV drugs being sold to the govt at discount, tons of other meds and drugs like Fluconazole (R3000 per course) are given away free to the State to treat deadly meningitis and stomach candida infections in AIDS patients. You should compare the prices of medications in SA and in the US for example, you'll see if you Google for anti-Cholesterol meds or anti-Blood pressure meds that these same drug is much cheaper in SA and the government gets them on real cheap tender too. Not to mention the amount of drug research money being sunk into the 3rd world where trials on already tested meds are going on all the time and the drug companies promise to treat the patients for 2-5 years post trial and pay the costs of blood tests too. Then don't forget PEPFAR - the biggest single contribution by anyone - guess who - George W Bush - thousands of people in Africa are alive because of his money. Then there are private foundations - Bill and Melinda Gates is one of many - millions of dollars in TB, HIV, Malaria, etc research and treatment. Even church medical organisations get lots of money from US churches - both Catholic and Protestant.

Big Pharmacy is still big business , no matter how you look at it.
3rd World countries are disease havens, and therefore a gold mine waiting to be exploited.


The tremendous growth of drugs markets in the developing world proved too tempting to ignore. IMS, an industry consultancy, forecasts that sales in the biggest emerging markets will hit $300 billion by 2017, equal to today’s sales in the top five European markets and America combined. Even before the latest downward lurch in prospects for rich economies, growth in those countries was expected to be much slower than in big emerging markets


Some firms are going further, venturing beyond the familiar big cities to more difficult, but potentially more lucrative, territories. Mr Halfon says Pfizer has expanded in the past couple of years into over 130 Chinese cities. His firm has also set up a joint venture with Grameen Bank in Bangladesh to cultivate rural markets for basic drugs by developing “microinsurance” products. Mr Halfon is convinced there is plenty of money to be made among the underserved poor. He thinks the drugs market for those earning less than $3,000 a year is already worth $30 billion annually, and he expects this to increase to $60 billion-70 billion by 2012. Novartis, a Swiss rival, recently unveiled a pilot project to expand into rural India; the firm aims to reach 50m new customers by 2010.

Racing down the pyramid
http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12601852

No matter what, it is all about the money.