Need advice for online gaming

[Gohan_SS]

Hey guys

I recently came from Namibia to study in CT. I pretty much just moved into a new block of flats with 24 hour free internet connection. I think it is a 256k lease line and from what i heard from the administrator everyone should receive 64k at least. What bothers me is the fact that only 7 out of a hundred percent of the network gets utilized and my ping is normally 200 in UT 2004. Ive tried everything from netboosters to tweaking internet settings to lower my ping, nothing seems to help. Is there any advice to get the network utilization higher and is it possible to utilize at least 30 percent?

[KickTheBucket]

Firstly, your network usage at 7% is probably 7% of 100Mbps. The 100Mbps is the connection between your pc and the hub/switch that it's connected to. That has nothing to do with the speed of the internet connection.

Secondly, i'm assuming you're playing UT on local (South African) servers. If you're not, then that would explain the high pings. I'm not sure how much bandwidth UT uses, but it is possible that you're not getting enough bandwidth to run the game smoothly. When i was on ISDN, which is also 64k, my ping would sometimes reach 200 on busy servers (playing call of duty; which doesnt use an awful lot of b/w).

Also if other people, who are sharing that leased line, are using heavy bandwidth (downloading etc) that could cause to lag too i think. I'm not too sure how the whole sharing bandwidth thing works. If it's a 256meg line, and the admin says that everyone should get 64k, that means that there are only 4 people using the connection.

Hope all this helps!!!!

[Gohan_SS]

Thanks, i dont really know where to find SA servers. Im really new to this whole internet thing. So what you are saying is that even if the connection to the switch is a hundred percent,its not going to help me anything? Ive done some speed checks and according to most of them the speed of my connection is about 60 k. As soon as i start downloading, it has decent transfer rates of about 50kbps.The problem is it lasts for about 2 seconds and then drops to 7kbps. I can get a private lease line,anything you would recommend for a decent price. I want something that will support online gaming and emails.Thanks

[ic]

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As soon as i start downloading, it has decent transfer rates of about 50kbps.The problem is it lasts for about 2 seconds and then drops to 7kbps...:confused: Now why does that 256K leased line (Diginet?) sound like it is Sentech MyWireless in disguise?

[Gohan_SS]

LOL, i have no idea. :)

[Chris]

http://games.saix.net - look there for local UT 2004 servers.

Also download the All-Seeing Eye @ www.udpsoft.com and if you click the 'Southern Africa' filter, you'll see local UT2004 servers.

[Gohan_SS]

Thanks dominic but can anyone tell me whether 60K is efficient for local UT 2004 servers and if not for any reason what connection would be recommended. Sorry for asking these stupid questions but we that come from primitive places dont really know much about these things. I just wanna have fun playing online with no lag...............

[Strobemeister]

Well, if your shared line is indeed a sentech mywireless line, you're buggered. Get adsl if u can afford it. Good for local gaming. Get isdn for good to average local pings. Isdn also has better international pings than adsl.
A leased line is an expensive option.
I suppose for adsl the best option currently available is the Home DSL384, though u do get capped after 3gigs. Dont get the 24month contract, buy your own modem to avoid that.

[ic]

Gohan_SS, like Strobemeister said, also for some background I recommend reading the MyADSL January 2005 Broadband Ratings Report.

[Gohan_SS]

How does ADSL exactly work, is it a 24H connection which you only pay say like 500 bucks every month. How fast is the connection and what in the world is capping? please explain the whole process..........Thanks alot

[AcidRaZor]

Gohan, first and foremost, find out WHAT internet connection your administrator uses. If it's sentech, kill him immediately, take his entrails, wrap it around your head and dance a victory dance, because you did human kind a favour.

There is a difference between kbps and kb/s

a 256kbps line would give you a download speed of approx 32kb/s

If everyone shares that line, and your admin says you will get a minimum of 64k (which is equal to around 8kb/s) that means that only 4 people (as suggested earlier) share your connection.

However, if it drops to 7kbps, it means you're getting a download speed of 0.875kb/s!!! Which is slower than a normal 56k dialup modem. In fact, it's slower than the very first modems every produced! (@ 9600 baud, stand to be corrected, 9600 would give you 0.9kb/s)

This could explain your 200 ping, however, I suggest you open your command prompt (if you have windows 2000 or high, click start -> run -> type in 'cmd' (without the single quotes) and in that box type 'ping -t www.iburst.co.za' (without the single quotes)

Now keep an eye on that for a minute or two, if you get request time out messages, and irratic pings to the server, it would most probably mean you wont be able to game smoothly on the current connection you have. After a while, press ctrl+c to stop pinging the server. (You could also try different websites to check)

If your ping stays stable @ around 150-200ms, I won't be much concerned. I have played on modems with 3 times that ping and I kicked ass. In fact, I rememered a match where my ping was 1900ms... it's all a matter of skill. :D

If you're really hardup for some gaming action, seeing as you have a local network over there, that means you could organize a game of UT between you and your block mates. Pings would be sub 20ms.

Ciao

[AcidRaZor]

How does ADSL exactly work, is it a 24H connection which you only pay say like 500 bucks every month. How fast is the connection and what in the world is capping? please explain the whole process..........Thanks alot

an ADSL connection is 24/7. You get capped on international bandwidth as soon as you rack up 3 gigs (that is upload AND download from local or international servers) but you stay uncapped on local servers. (meaning they throttle your connection to a slower speed)

If you take the DSL384 option, your speeds will me around 40kb/s download, if you take DSL512, it would be around 60kb/s download. Your upload speeds would be 12kb/s and 32kb/s respectively.

This makes ADSL perfect for gaming locally. You could also find alot of people using p2p software to download and share files amoungst each other locally.

ADSL needs a current phone line, so on top of the R500 you spend on the renting of the ADSL line, the normal phone line (around R100) needs to be paid for as well. Now, after paying that, you still need an account from an ISP. This would set you back around R300. Depends who you get.

To get a clear indication of what you should get, and a quick view of price comparisons (ISP-wise) goto www.hellkom.co.za, they have a price comparison to tell you who is the cheapest. And they have interesting facts on our favorite telco monopoly.

You could also take UUNET's uncapped option. They install a realm (which is able to take 10 ADSL lines, so you could share the cost with friends) which costs you R240 odd a month. Then the line rental of R600 a month (for the DSL384) and the account from UUNET @ R560. This would mean that you're able to download and upload as to your little hearts content without worrying about SHAPING and CAPPING of your account.

If you do not get the uncapped version from UUNET, keep in mind, it doesn't matter which ISP you use, everyone goes onto the SAIX bandwidth pool, meaning, Telkom is still in charge of it.

So going to MWEB for instance (which isnt the cheapest) doesn't mean that you'll have faster pings than someone using an account from some dude who fell on his head and is charging R100 less than MWEB.

Hope that helps

[Gohan_SS]

I definitely understand a bit better but jeez, ITS EXPENSIVE. Cant one get something for a total cost of 500 rands a month? I just spoke to my administrator again and he said its a 256K lease line but didnt specify anything. And just for the record, I download slower than what was mentioned above,which is insanely slow if you take what the administrator said and the actual download speed. Do you think it is possible that the setup of the connection is crap, the funny thing is when i played last night i kept a stable ping of about 48 throughout. This morning it takes me two minutes to open msn homepage. My pings struck 985 in UT 2004 on a local server, its insane. I dont know what to conclude or think anymore......plz help :(

[Gohan_SS]

I just did the ping check on iburst NOONE and my ttl was 114, whatever that means but the ms was like 46 then 196 then 76 then 98 then 343 and so on, it was up and down all the time. I got request timed out about 4 times in in a minute, so can you comment on this.................i suppose it cant be good.

[AcidRaZor]

The connection sharing setup could be the problem. Thing is, if you normally share out your connection with several people, if only 1 person downloads excessively, your ping (and your connection) would be shot to hell. There are load balancing software out there (for free too)

I suggest finding out what type of leased line the admin is using (then apologizing for being a n00b :P ) and ask him who his ISP is.

It is expensive, you can't get a 24/7 connection under R500 in south africa, unless you go with a wireless ISP. There is one or two in Cape Town, www.hellkom.co.za would have more information on that too.

ttl = time to live. It means that after a period of time, if the program hasn't received a response from the destination, it gives up waiting and gives you a "request timed out"

[Gohan_SS]

I see, now another thing i noticed, i know someone said that my network utilization has nothing to do with my connection speed, but as soon as my network utilization goes up to about 0.07 percent out of 100 the browsing speed is as fast as lightning and therefore my pings is also lower but as soon as the network utilizes about 0.03 percent everything is slower than someone walking with no legs. I dont understand, my logic tells me if your connection to the switch is utilized more then your internet connection should pick up or at least your bandwith should increase. I dont know if this makes any sense to you guys but to me it kinda does. I was on hellkom.co.za and im just getting confused, what is capping and upload and download and all the rest of the greek spoken, im studying IT engineering but we haven't come as far as the internet module yet, so i dont have a clue guys, only know well about hardware. Sorry if i sound like an idiot. One of my other friends back in Winhoek installed a lease line and he pays something like 400 dollars a month, and no isp costs involved, its really fast. If i understand capping correctly i think he is uncapped as well. I mean how much do you really need to just play online games nicely??????Should my isp homepage open as soon as i connect because MSN opens when i connect??????

From your fellow idiot gamer

[AcidRaZor]

lol, thats just what your homepage is set to, you can set it to connect to www.ratemyboobjob.com/rate and that will be the first thing that pops up.

It would be that the network utilization between you and the switch has nothing to do with anything, but that someone else is copying big files between PC's alot of the time which would max out the switch and thus make you lag a whole lot.

Ask your admin why it's slow and why its super fast at times, and that if there is some kind of bandwidth limiting throttle on the local network because you feel that if someone is copying something from another PC, they are impacting severely on the preformance of the internet.

[KickTheBucket]

Yeah, i think noone is right. You don't know how the connection sharing is set up, so you can't speculate what kind of connection you have there or how the bandwidth is shared etc. The fact is that you've got a horrible connection and that's probably not likely to change. You said that your downloads level out at about 7kB/s (i'm assuming kB/s not kb/s; cos 1Byte=8bits) which is about right for a 64k connection (that's what my downloads on isdn were).

If you want to get serious about gaming online, go for homedsl384. It's by far the best for online (local) gaming. As noone mentioned above, you have to pay line rental of R80 per month and on top of that R450 for ADSL line rental. Then your ISP will set you back around R250 per month.

For all of that you'll get 24/7 internet access (no dial-up costs). You will be however limited to a total of 3gb worth of downloads AND uploads combined per month. Downloads constitute all the data transferred TO your computer, and uploads constitute all the data send FROM your computer. Example, if you download a 30meg file, you're transferring it TO your computer. If you send a 2meg email, you're transferring data FROM your computer (hence upload). Once you've exceeded this, you're "capped" which means that your INTERNATIONAL (any site/server outside of SA) bandwidth is almost non-existent. But you can still play games/ surf/ download locally to your hearts content.

And yes, you're quite right about what you said about the network utilization figures. What i meant earlier was that the speed rating (ie 100Mbps) has nothing to do with the speed rating of the internet connection there.

Can't really tell you too much about leased lines cos i don't know much about them. But what i can tell you is that if they were better than ADSL, most people would have leased lines instead of ADSL!!

[DFantom]

Thanks, i dont really know where to find SA servers.
Since you seem to enjoy ut2kx, come and visit on www.unreal.co.za

[Gohan_SS]

Thanks KICKTHEBUCKET, im actually starting to understand alot more now, but as soon as i hear the word limit or youve reached your cap, then i put my tail between my legs and run away. Cant you get a 24\7 128K line which is uncapped or am i asking stupid questions? My admin said that he will speak to his ISP or whoever is responsible for this connection and there might be a chance for the line to get upgraded to a 512K connection. I also asked him if i cant pay extra on the rent in order for them to allocate more bandwith to me. Is that possible or will i be paying for a mindfu_k? Ag but im sure they can allocate more bandwith to a apartment. Then i would rather do that to avoid 800 bucks a month....................any comments. Is there other cheaper(uncapped) options by any chance.

[Razer0]

Cant you get a 24\7 128K line which is uncapped or am i asking stupid questions?

You could always get Sentech Mywireless 128k package but the pings range (on mine) from an ave of 120 sometimes spiking to 200. Its very playable but unless you reaaaly want low pings then make a plan with your admin friend :D

R650pm with modem, R500 without (modem costs R3.5k :eek: )

[AcidRaZor]

Playable? Are you freaking insane? Sentech + FPS is NOT playable. I would rather play with a freaking 28.8k modem online than Sentech's offering!

In any case, the REASON why most people install ADSL is because a leased line is too freaking expensive!

Gohan, it wouldnt matter if your administrator upgraded the leased line to 512k, because if their bandwidth managing software (assuming they even have that) is up to ****, it means that the other folks would hog the extra bandwidth anyway.

Before you pay anything extra, find out what type of bandwidth management software they run to make sure everything is divided equally and everyone gets an even portion of the line.

Because if they have bandwidth management software, it means they can in fact allocate more bandwidth towards your flat and then charge you extra for it (on your request).

Being capped does not nessacarily mean you're screwed. You can either take the expensive option and buy another account. Or you could look at services like www.nukecap.co.za which offers a local proxy server you could peer to to get to international sites.

a Proxy server (locally) means you can browse international sites at decent speeds, and not have it crawl and time out like it currently does when you are capped. Obviously they charge an extra fee each month.

I am sure if you go through the previous discussions on the ADSL related threads, you'll see how much gig you should expect to use up in a month doing normal surfing and gameplay.

You should seriously have a sit-down with the administrator and let him explain the setup to you. Make notes, cause even if you don't understand, you can come here and explain the whole setup, and we'll try and give you the best advice we can.

Good luck

[Raithlin]

noone, that has to be the most informative post I've seen coming from you in the 2-odd months I've been a member... :eek:

[Razer0]

Playable? Are you freaking insane? Sentech + FPS is NOT playable. I would rather play with a freaking 28.8k modem online than Sentech's offering!

It is :)

All the 4 FPS and 1 MMORPG games that i play online are playable, not enjoyable at times but still.. ;)

[AcidRaZor]

Razer, i have to see it to believe it. I've been a Sentech consumer since they started till last year November and NEVER had a stable enough ping to actually play an FPS game without having to run the same freaking 10 steps 4 times... before getting killed for no apparent reason (later found out the dude ran past me, while shooting and i never saw it coming..wtf?!)

Raithlin, I have been very informative in the past, I also use this board to relieve some stress/tension.

I'm just really not in the mood for work, and Gohan doesn't seem stoopid :P

[Gohan_SS]

Hi guys

I have to say something first, I WILL BE ATTENDING MY FIRST BIG LAN on the 18th, langames.co.za sent me a message saying i was accepted as participant. I know i might sound like a freak but you have no idea how much i was looking forward to this, in Namibia we did not know what the word LAN meant, so its pretty cool for me.

Anyway, i had the meeting with the admin and the connection is apparantly setup by CRC, dont know who they are but i hope its better than sentech ;)
He said that it is a first come first serve type effort connection, there is no bandwith sharing software but according to him the bandwith should not be killed by downloading or whatever the idiot thats sucking it dry is doing, some other place allocates or controls the flow of bandwith to the apartments.

All that this means is that i pay really high rent for my connection and whoever started downloading 5 700meg movies 3 days before i moved in,is getting all the bandwith,paying the same rent as me and im sitting with 10k bandwith because i came three days later. I pay just as much as everyone else but my connection is terribly slow, i think its really unfair, this first come first serve setup is a ball of ****. :mad:

The admin also mentioned that the network utilization should be at least 70 percent because the better your connection to the switch is, the more you can receive and thus it will increase your inet connection speed, something ive been thinking of alot.

The sick thing is that yesterday and pretty much today the download speed was 1.80KB\sec. THATS INSANE! The other thing that he said was that there is no file sharing allowed on the LAN, so it means only one thing, someone is raping the connection with big downloads.

SO that is what i gathered from him today............any advice or comments would help. Thanks guys. :(

[AcidRaZor]

Did you confront him with the slow speeds? And the fact that someone must be raping the bandwidth because it can't be that slow all the time?

The fact that he said "first comes first served" and then lateron "some other place allocates or controls the flow of bandwidth to the apartments" is bull****.

It's either OR, not both.

[Gohan_SS]

I confronted him about the speed and he said he does not understand why it is so slow. He is going to have another meeting with the ISP and then he will hopefully find out what is going on and sort it out as well, i think they are going to stop all downloading priveleges, i think that will help alot, it might even sort out my lag and high pings in the games.

I hope on line gaming is part of the uploading duplex otherwise im screwed like a bombay prostitute.

[KickTheBucket]

The admin also mentioned that the network utilization should be at least 70 percent because the better your connection to the switch is, the more you can receive and thus it will increase your inet connection speed, something ive been thinking of alot.


Um, ok correct me if i'm wrong, but the connection to the switch is 100mbps. That works out to 12.5 megaBYTES per second. (100 / 8). 70% of that figure works out to 8.75 megabytes per second. So if that entire network utilization is going towards the internet connection (which it probably is) you should have a connection of 8.75 megs per second. And we all know that's not possible.


I think the admin there doesn't know entirely what he's talking about because he said once that everyone should have 64k of bandwidth; and now he says it's first come first serve. Can't be both!!!

Although we're not sure what kind of line he's got installed there, i'm still pretty sure that your ping spikes and bandwidth problems are caused by other people abusing the connection.

Not sure what you mean by the uploading duplex, but online gaming involves uploads AND downloads. The amount of bandwidth used obviously varies from game to game.

Also don't think too much about that download speed of 1.80KB/S. I was donwloading something today from an international sight at around 2k/s on my adsl. I suggest maybe go to www.myadsl.co.za and try their speed test (top of page) a few times and see what you get.

[Gohan_SS]

Im just as confused as you are, i only gather info from the admin; he is a really good guy but something tells me that he is not in control of all the operations concerning this connection, i think he might just be a link between the residents of the block and internet villiage. They are the org that handles these kind of connections. They call themselves the internet villiage, they buy bandwith in bulk if im not mistaking and then installs connections in flat blocks. So i think the problem might be lying at the internet villiage. I dont know what to think anymore, the admin just spoke in circles and the info he gives does not make sense, i mean he said that there is no B\W sharing sofware but at the same time he said that he can allocate extra BW to my flat. Hows that possible and did ANY of you ever hear about this internet villiage?? :confused:

[ic]

Gohan_SS, I think you might be able to get some more info about the type of connection & ISP if you did a:
tracert www.mybroadband.co.za(actually any url would be ok, but for simplicity use that), then look at the various IP addresses along the way. If it is an ADSL connection you might not be able to tell which ISP (I am subject to correction there), but you should be able to make some informed assumptions.

[AcidRaZor]

or he could just do a backtrace and see who owns the IP address he is using (gets allocated by blocks)

as for the internet village, could be, heard about internet-ready flats with PC's several years back already, not sure who does the internet though.

[ic]

or he could just do a backtrace and see who owns the IP address he is using (gets allocated by blocks)
...
I was getting to that, but he really needs the gateway IP addy - his is prolly a 192.168.*.*

[Gohan_SS]

Hi guys

This is REALLY getting confusing, i spoke to my admin again and what concerns him is my utilization from my PC to the switch. He blames the slow connection on that, and now he wants to send someone over to test my cable coming to my flat, according to him im the only tenant that has such slow connection speeds and little bandwidth quantities. Its really weird, do you think its possible that my cable might be problematic or something??

Yesterday i could not even get this page oen to post a reply and it took me 7 minutes to open msn homepage, my download speed was 788 BYTES P\S. i mean really, that is unexceptable, don't you think?

Another question, i formatted my HD about 2 days ago and all the internet settings is default, is there anything i can change to improve the connection? :o

[ic]

Gohan_SS, yes it could be the cable that's a problem - rats you know like to chew through things. Let the dude check your cable, no harm in eliminating that as a possible cause.

To improve your browser speed, ensure that you use FireFox (http://www.getfirefox.com/) as your browser, then look at this thread bcos there are some additional setting changes which will super-charge FireFox even more.

[Gohan_SS]

Thanx IC, im sure it will help, i just read the threads on that, it looks like its worthwile installing it! Something tells me its not the line that is the problem, is there really nothing one can change on your network card or advanced internet options, ive discovered that windows takes 20% of the bandwidth to itself for some useless reason and im going to set the system limit to 0%, i hope thats going to help though.

Any comments on the admins belief that the connection speed is slow because of the little utilization from my pc to the switch (the network utilization).

The other thing, you guys probably know about these netboosters and stuff, do they even work and should i download some and see what it does or am i wasting my time?

[AcidRaZor]

as I said before, someone might be using the network alot, not really the internet connection though

what could be is that they daisy chained the whole network setup and your flat is at the end of this daisy chain.

believe it or not, people can be stupid like that. they put in a hub with 10 ports @ one place, then realise they need to expand, so they daisy chain 2 hubs together, effectively killing the effieciency of the network

[Gohan_SS]

Thats an interesting point noone but then why am i the only tenant who has the slow speeds, according to the admin its only my apartment that has the low utilization and internet speeds, so i think if it was connected as you mentioned above, more people would have been affected by it. This connection thing is really starting to get annoying, its weird that the admin blames it on the low utilization of the connection from my network card to the switch. Do you guys think he has a good point or is he trying to say anything to give me false hope or mind f__ck me.

By the way, firefox is really good, just installed it, not too shabby.

[ic]

Good stuff, another FireFox convert I hope. Have a look at the cool extension that you can add-on.

I suggest wait until the admin dude has check out the cable, it is a valid concern, if that's eliminated as a cause then let him bring a laptop & connect up from your place, run the same speed test stuff a few times from your PC & his laptop, if his is a lot faster then chances are that it's your PC or network card.

BTW, you have firewall s/w, anti-virus s/w, anti-malware s/w, correct? If so is it up to date & is your PC patched?

Apologies if you've already answered that somewhere else on this thread, just too many posts to go check right now ;)

[Chris]

Good stuff, another FireFox convert I hope. Have a look at the cool extension that you can add-on.


Shouldn't you add that to your uber-long sig?

[ic]

Shouldn't you add that to your uber-long sig?Solly I cannot - there's a 500 byte limit to siggies, besides it's hArTh's job to FireFoxangelise...;)

[SwysLord]

Hi all,

I was playing online with isdn64 with a ping of 350-400.
I upgraded to isdn128 and guess what? Ping 450
Finally I thought:let's bring out the big guns. Time for ADSL!
I warned all my online buddies in Europe and USA to watch because broadband here I come ! I thought that a 150 ping was on the cards.
GUESS WHAT ! Ping 350-600. Damn. :eek:

Now what?


SwysLord :mad:

[Gohan_SS]

Swyslord,i think we are in the same boat, i mean for the past two days i would join a LOCAL server and my ping would stay at 988. Its insane!

Anyway,just so you guys know, my network adapter is onboard, i was also thinking maybe to buy one and put it in the PCI slot,do you think that it will make a difference coz i heard that onboard ethernet is cool for Lans but not really for an internet connection. I have antivirus software(NORTON), i run Xp SP2,so my firewall is on.

[SwysLord]

Yeah, it's damn frustrating what we have to go through
to try and get a lower ping or quicker connection.
Especially when you talk to guys overseas and they're running T1 and T3
which makes dsl look like 28k.








Broadband or Narrowband ?

[FireFLi]

I think it's the luck of draw. Somedays you get ping times of ~450 and others it sux. The network is very inconsistent. Has anyone here played on an unshapped adsl package?

[antowan]

Could it be the length of his network cable that is limiting him? How far is he from the switch?

If the cable is longer than about a 100m or so, then there could be trouble.

Cheers
Antowan

[AcidRaZor]

probably a virus. and if you're not running a firewall @ a lan, expect spyware and stuff to jump on your pc, so I even doubt that that was your problem before.

btw, I won't brag about how much illegal software I received from a lan, for each of those products you mentioned, they can fine you up to R5000 (or more) or 6 months of jail per copyrighted item.

[Gohan_SS]

Im getting a new flat mate if everything goes well and i found out that i can get a personal 512K adsl line uncapped for 630 rands a month,i think that might be the best option, we can share the costs and the line, the admin is nowhere to be found and the connection is now permanetnly at a speed of 500 to 700 bytes per second. Something has gotta be wrong, i mean i pay rent for this flat. Im so sick and tired of struggling to get this thing sorted out, now suddenly everybody says its a lease line, which i say is crap, lease lines perform better than adsl.????????????

[louisp]

Leased lines ... much better than ADSL I'd say... also MUCH MUCH moe expensive.

Just check your pricing for the 512k Uncapped line. According me it works out a lot more.


Remember,

You pay Telkom rent for ADSL line + normal line rent, and then you pay the ISP for the unsapped account.

on ADSL192 this works out to something like R1100 if I'm not mistaken
:)

Your case:
Home ADSL 512K = R 599/month (discounted price only till August)
Normal line rental = R 80 (odd)
4GB unshaped TelkomISP = R 880

Total = R 1560 (Whoossaaaaa)