Dr Kobus Jonker and satanism.

[rza]

Why are people still insisting satanism is a good old peaceful religion, even though Kobus Jonker has for decades proven that satanism is the most evil of all cults? As a christian I know the effects of satanism, and I know that it's purpose is to kill and destroy people. But it seems there are people who are deluded into thinking this occult is peaceful? Of course satanists masquerading as normal people do respond to this kind of topics, but I worry about innocent people who are fooled into this evil occult.

If you are involved in satanism, it's not too late, Jesus can safely get you out of it. Regardless of the threats by satanists, they can't kill you if you leave them for Jesus. But they'll definitely kill you if you leave them without Jesus. I knew a friend who was burned to ashes mysteriously by satanists in prison, and I wish I was born-again then as I could have helped him. They (satanists) persuaded him to slaughter his neighbour senselessly with an axe, but when he wanted to get out of satanism they followed him to prison and burned him to death. Had he left them for Jesus, he'll still be alive like hundreds of former-satanists who left the occult for Jesus.

I will like to thank God for using and protecting Kobus Jonker against satanism. The worst works of satanism are seen in our roads, through accidents they cause. A friend of mine said she was leaving Pochefstroom on sunday night and she saw two very bad accident on the N12. While driving she saw a woman carrying a baby, but she disappeared within a second. I was surprised that she thought she was a witch, as I expected to be the one to say that. Of course I have met satanists on the roads, so I know what she was referrin to.

The bible says: "The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them" (Psalm 34:7). I'm protected by an angel of God against satanism, that's why I can speak against them. But who protects you and your children against satanism?

[R13...]

How can human sacrifice [drinking blood] be considered peaceful?

[rza]

How can human sacrifice [drinking blood] be considered peaceful?

Wait until somebody says there's no blood drinking.

[porn$tar]

Of course I have met satanists on the roads, so I know what she was referrin to.

We all have, they're called taxi drivers.

[DJ...]

This thread is LOL-worthy...:D

rza's complete inability to educate himself is becoming more and more apparent with each post. I particularly enjoyed the story about your friend, his axe, the prison satanism, burning to ashes and so on. Very entertaining...

[HapticSimian]

So tell me, rza, This is an internet forum. I'm sure you'll know, but that derives from the Roman practice of having an open, public space (ironically called a forum) where people could freely mingle and discuss the days' happenings.

When exactly did you reach the point where you figured 'screw the discussions, lemme dust off my soapbox and preach to these lost, anonymous, faceless souls on teh interwebz'? You do know what happens to street corner preachers more often than not, don't you? They get eggs thrown at them...

[rza]

This thread is LOL-worthy...:D

rza's complete inability to educate himself is becoming more and more apparent with each post. I particularly enjoyed the story about your friend, his axe, the prison satanism, burning to ashes and so on. Very entertaining...

Where do I err?

[porn$tar]

How can human sacrifice [drinking blood] be considered peaceful?

Jesus was a human sacrifice, and they still symbolically drink his blood.

[rza]

So tell me, rza, This is an internet forum. I'm sure you'll know, but that derives from the Roman practice of having an open, public space (ironically called a forum) where people could freely mingle and discuss the days' happenings.

When exactly did you reach the point where you figured 'screw the discussions, lemme dust off my soapbox and preach to these lost, anonymous, faceless souls on teh interwebz'? You do know what happens to street corner preachers more often than not, don't you? They get eggs thrown at them...

I never discuss ideas that needs debate, I write about facts as reflected in the bible, so I never expect replies from my topics. That's why you can't debate what I wrote, but rather choose to debate me as a person.

I wish I was a street preacher but God refused to make me. I'll definitely take eggs for Jesus and I'm sure they don't mind!

[DJ...]

Where do I err?
Not on the side of caution, but...

It starts here:


Why are people...

...and ends here:


But who protects you and your children against satanism?

[Johnsilver]

Satanism is a destructive religion. I agree. Much more than the mainstream ones.
If an angry mob of satanists is chasing me. I'll not stop running after I gave my heart to Jesus. Run now to pray later sort of thing.
What I think is sad is that there is no devil. (apart from in the dude in this forum (and he's alright)) These acts are not inspired from outside. It's just the people. Oh they think they're into something but in the end it's all in their heads.
Just shows how dangerous religion is.
I'm glad the Christians calmed down during the last 100 odd years.

[HapticSimian]

I never discuss ideas that needs debate, I write about facts as reflected in the bible, so I never expect replies from my topics. That's why you can't debate what I wrote, but rather choose to debate me as a person.

I wish I was a street preacher but God refused to make me. I'll definitely take eggs for Jesus and I'm sure they don't mind!

Again, you err... it's you who can't debate what you write. You wouldn't know a debate if it kicked you up your delusional tochas. Yet, that isn't my point - myBB isn't the vehicle for your sermons, it isn't intended as the mouthpiece of an individual, whether that individual spews crap or not.

Go start a blog, you're annoying...

[porn$tar]

I never discuss ideas that needs debate, I write about facts as reflected in the bible, so I never expect replies from my topics.

Then write a blog and direct your ilk to it. FFS


I wish I was a street preacher but God refused to make me. I'll definitely take eggs for Jesus and I'm sure they don't mind!

Then you are a puppet created and controlled by your own delusions.

[R13...]

I never discuss ideas that needs debate, I write about facts as reflected in the bible, so I never expect replies from my topics. That's why you can't debate what I wrote, but rather choose to debate me as a person.

I wish I was a street preacher but God refused to make me. I'll definitely take eggs for Jesus and I'm sure they don't mind!
well why do you write on a forum:confused:

[Good Life]

Satanism is just another religion siding on the extreme part of one duality. Though satanists for the most part will tell you they don't literally worship the devil.

[rza]

Satanism is just another religion siding on the extreme part of one duality. Though satanists for the most part will tell you they don't literally worship the devil.

Who are they worshipping, afterall religion is all about worshipping someone?

[rza]

well why do you write on a forum:confused:

To give a Christian view of things that are discussed on this forum, or the Christian view is not required?

[Human]

I never discuss ideas that needs debate, I write about facts as reflected in the bible, so I never expect replies from my topics. That's why you can't debate what I wrote, but rather choose to debate me as a person.

I wish I was a street preacher but God refused to make me. I'll definitely take eggs for Jesus and I'm sure they don't mind!

Then this thread is FAIL!
A forum is for dialogues and debate and not monologues and blogs.
Get off! :mad:

[Pr⊕phet]

Why are people still insisting satanism is a good old peaceful religion, even though Kobus Jonker has for decades proven that satanism is the most evil of all cults? As a christian I know the effects of satanism, and I know that it's purpose is to kill and destroy people. But it seems there are people who are deluded into thinking this occult is peaceful? Of course satanists masquerading as normal people do respond to this kind of topics, but I worry about innocent people who are fooled into this evil occult.

If you are involved in satanism, it's not too late, Jesus can safely get you out of it. Regardless of the threats by satanists, they can't kill you if you leave them for Jesus. But they'll definitely kill you if you leave them without Jesus. I knew a friend who was burned to ashes mysteriously by satanists in prison, and I wish I was born-again then as I could have helped him. They (satanists) persuaded him to slaughter his neighbour senselessly with an axe, but when he wanted to get out of satanism they followed him to prison and burned him to death. Had he left them for Jesus, he'll still be alive like hundreds of former-satanists who left the occult for Jesus.

I will like to thank God for using and protecting Kobus Jonker against satanism. The worst works of satanism are seen in our roads, through accidents they cause. A friend of mine said she was leaving Pochefstroom on sunday night and she saw two very bad accident on the N12. While driving she saw a woman carrying a baby, but she disappeared within a second. I was surprised that she thought she was a witch, as I expected to be the one to say that. Of course I have met satanists on the roads, so I know what she was referrin to.

The bible says: "The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them" (Psalm 34:7). I'm protected by an angel of God against satanism, that's why I can speak against them. But who protects you and your children against satanism?

enlighten me what is satanism according to you rza (note you not the bible).

i have to wonder what kind of a mind can thinkout stories like these, or in the other and what better weapon the fear; the lion is so scared of the mouse he has not seen :rolleyes:

gods of today, the devils of tomorrow.

[porn$tar]

To give a Christian view of things that are discussed on this forum, or the Christian view is not required?

What you're giving is not the Christian view, it's your view. There are respectable Christian's here who do a far better job than you will ever do.

[Dixie]

Rza - apologies for speaking of you in the third person...

I have read every single one of Rza's posts and just when I think I know where he comes from, he slips in another curve ball (not that I view this thread as a curve ball).

Instead of starting off with the usual throwing of eggs, can't we just relax around a cup of coffee?

You know, ask questions, discuss and leave the insults till later...

[porn$tar]

enlighten me what is satanism according to you rza (note you not the bible).

He doesn't have a view, he's a puppet.

[HapticSimian]

To give my diluted, delusional view of things that are discussed on this forum, or my diluted, delusional view is not required?

Your getting warmer, but I fixed it up for you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Pr⊕phet]

If an angry mob of satanists is chasing me. curious where these satan mobs are running around, even more of how many from they other side you have actually dealt with to really have made up your mind and not just go by some predefinition.

[Good Life]

Who are they worshipping, afterall religion is all about worshipping someone?

to some it's a movement, to others it's a religion of worship.

[Praeses]

I'm pretty damn sure a satanist can kill a christian, priest, rabbi, atheist, fellow satanist, a fly etc. You're flesh and blood, no matter what you believe.

[HapticSimian]

Rza - apologies for speaking of you in the third person...

I have read every single one of Rza's posts and just when I think I know where he comes from, he slips in another curve ball (not that I view this thread as a curve ball).

Instead of starting off with the usual throwing of eggs, can't we just relax around a cup of coffee?

You know, ask questions, discuss and leave the insults till later...

Whilst your amicable approach is noble, the short answer is 'no'. rza is here because he suffers from a delusion of superiority. He doesn't discuss, he preaches. He has no opinion of his own & brings no value to a discussion. He wastes bandwidth.

Besides, PD without insults? What are you thinking? :D

[DJ...]

To give a Christian view of things that are discussed on this forum, or the Christian view is not required?

Er, who's been discussing Satanism on the forum of late?

[Pr⊕phet]

He doesn't have a view, he's a puppet.

and how do i know you not also a puppet riding on predefinitions ;):D

[rza]

enlighten me what is satanism according to you rza (note you not the bible).

i have to wonder what kind of a mind can thinkout stories like these, or in the other and what better weapon the fear; the lion is so scared of the mouse he has not seen :rolleyes:

gods of today, the devils of tomorrow.

Why can't I use the bible or Dr Jonker's description?

[rza]

What you're giving is not the Christian view, it's your view. There are respectable Christian's here who do a far better job than you will ever do.

They have a right to start topics, so do you!

[Human]

Why can't I use the bible or Dr Jonker's description?

Because we want to know what you think for a change.

[Pr⊕phet]

Er, who's been discussing Satanism on the forum of late?

well there was two, to note my thread was deleted (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=130138) without thought but lonegun (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=63067)' still remains.

[rza]

to some it's a movement, to others it's a religion of worship.

That's not what SAPS says, our own police says it's an occult that kills people for initiation ceremonies.

[Dixie]

Whilst your amicable approach is noble, the short answer is 'no'. rza is here because he suffers from a delusion of superiority. He doesn't discuss, he preaches. He has no opinion of his own & brings no value to a discussion.

To be fair, if rza also resorted to insults, flaming, etc. I would have written him off in a jiffy, but he does not. He takes it on the chin. There is a mesmerizing quality about it...


Besides, PD without insults? What are you thinking? :D
Lol! You chop! :D

[DJ...]

well there was two, to note my thread was deleted (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=130138) without thought but lonegun (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=63067)' still remains.

I said of late - those are from ages ago. rza said he's here to give a xtian perspective to the things discussed on the forum. This thread therefore implies that satanism has of late been discussed on the forum, which isn't true. Ergo, rza is talking k@k and is merely here to preach, and will lie to defend that position. It's pathetic. And what's even more pathetic is that he makes up stories about satanism (which is evident from the OP) and has absolutely no grasp of what satanism actually is...

[Good Life]

That's not what SAPS says, our own police says it's an occult that kills people for initiation ceremonies.

That part can be in either the movement side of it, or the religion side. Anyway, i heard it from satanists themselves.

[Pr⊕phet]

Why can't I use the bible or Dr Jonker's description?

because i'm sure god give you your own opinion, as well as means to research so that you don't die off due too the lack of knowledge.

just going buy what other people said and was writ without thought or evaluation leads to stagnation, which in turns make you out to be another mindless clone.

...what do you say define a satanist ?

[DJ...]

That's not what SAPS says, our own police says it's an occult that kills people for initiation ceremonies.

Can you point me to where they officially stated this please? If they did, they're as deluded as you then...

[rza]

I'm pretty damn sure a satanist can kill a christian, priest, rabbi, atheist, fellow satanist, a fly etc. You're flesh and blood, no matter what you believe.

No ways Sir, they can't kill me and they definitely can't kill my family.They tried to kill Dr Jonker and failed many times, that's an example we can use.

Even though Christians are flesh and blood, they have designated angels to protect them. You and I may never see them, but they are there to protect Christians. Right now, there's a big gentleman with a sword guarding me, that's why David said 'I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me' (Psalm 23:4). Who is the 'you' that is with David? The same 'you' is also with every Christian, that's why we are big mouths.

[Pr⊕phet]

I said of late - those are from ages ago. rza said he's here to give a xtian perspective to the things discussed on the forum. This thread therefore implies that satanism has of late been discussed on the forum, which isn't true. Ergo, rza is talking k@k and is merely here to preach, and will lie to defend that position. It's pathetic. And what's even more pathetic is that he makes up stories about satanism (which is evident from the OP) and has absolutely no grasp of what satanism actually is...

any side, cult, believe or non believe i would deem 'pathetic' that goes via the down your throat, fear, guilt and so on route

[HapticSimian]

To be fair, if rza also resorted to insults, flaming, etc. I would have written him off in a jiffy, but he does not. He takes it on the chin. There is a mesmerizing quality about it...

His 'turn the other cheek' demeanour has nothing to do with it. You have his explanation on page 1 of this thread - he doesn't debate, he preaches. This isn't a personal soapbox. :mad:



Lol! You chop! :D

Glad to see you're starting to get with the programme! :D

[Good Life]

Can you point me to where they officially stated this please? If they did, they're as deluded as you then...

Oh FFS. Are you the only sane person on this planet ? You know squat.

There's a reason why there's an occult investigation branch of the police. I personally know a policeman who has a friend who is in the occult branch, and they regurlary visit these ritualistic sites, to solve murders.

[DJ...]

No ways Sir, they can't kill me and they definitely can't kill my family.They tried to kill Dr Jonker and failed many times, that's an example we can use.

Even though Christians are flesh and blood, they have designated angels to protect them. You and I may never see them, but they are there to protect Christians. Right now, there's a big gentleman with a sword guarding me, that's why David said 'I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me' (Psalm 23:4). Who is the 'you' that is with David? The same 'you' is also with every Christian, that's why we are big mouths.

So you cannot be killed by humans then?

[Praeses]

No ways Sir, they can't kill me and they definitely can't kill my family.They tried to kill Dr Jonker and failed many times, that's an example we can use.

Even though Christians are flesh and blood, they have designated angels to protect them. You and I may never see them, but they are there to protect Christians. Right now, there's a big gentleman with a sword guarding me, that's why David said 'I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me' (Psalm 23:4). Who is the 'you' that is with David? The same 'you' is also with every Christian, that's why we are big mouths.

I have an Invisible Pink Unicorn guarding and defending me from anything that threatens me, my views and my PC. I am immortal. Unicorn > angel

[DJ...]

Oh FFS. Are you the only sane person on this planet ? You know squat.

There's a reason why there's an occult investigation branch of the police. I personally know a policeman who has a friend who is in the occult branch, and they regurlary visit these ritualistic sites, to solve murders.

Aw, Junior's having another hissie fit. Shame.

Can you point me to these cases please? They'd surely be reported extensively by the media, especially if there is some dedicated police branch for "occult crimes". LOL.

[Pr⊕phet]

That's not what SAPS says, our own police says it's an occult that kills people for initiation ceremonies.


That part can be in either the movement side of it, or the religion side. Anyway, i heard it from satanists themselves.

once again how can we be really sure it is not christian BS stories.

The Occult ?
a cult ?

not really such a thing as An Occult, well not in the literal sense anyways.

[Human]

Oh FFS. Are you the only sane person on this planet ? You know squat.

There's a reason why there's an occult investigation branch of the police. I personally know a policeman who has a friend who is in the occult branch, and they regurlary visit these ritualistic sites, to solve murders.

STFU Dorothy!
A friend of a friend is hardly concrete evidence...oh wait...this is Lizard boy I am talking to.
You dont need evidence.

[HapticSimian]

To be fair, if rza also resorted to insults, flaming, etc. I would have written him off in a jiffy, but he does not. He takes it on the chin. There is a mesmerizing quality about it...

Lol! You chop! :D


Aw, Junior's having another hissie fit. Shame.

Can you point me to these cases please? They'd surely be reported extensively by the media, especially if there is some dedicated police branch for "occult crimes". LOL.

Can't believe I'm doing this but, don't be so dismissive of Good Larf on this count. The SAPD does employ specialists in occult activity - maybe not enough of them for a 'department', but they are there. As to the extent of it - that only Lizard Boy would know ;)

/runs and hides

[Pr⊕phet]

Can't believe I'm doing this but, don't be so dismissive of Good Larf on this count. The SAPD does employ specialists in occult activity - maybe not enough of them for a 'department', but they are there. As to the extent of it - that only Lizard Boy would know ;)

/runs and hides

like the specialist that dealt with morne harmse ? that guy had me a good laff or two with his words on how he was not a satanist but into dum dum dum The Dark Arts being;

tarot
oja board
something else

...that is hardly the "dark arts", more like the "dark farts"

[Good Life]

Aw, Junior's having another hissie fit. Shame.

Can you point me to these cases please? They'd surely be reported extensively by the media, especially if there is some dedicated police branch for "occult crimes". LOL.

At least, i'm not completely ignorant.

So because me and RZA have word of mouth from the police, makes it untrue in your eyes ? :rolleyes:

Occult means hidden. These are cases of a sensitive nature, and that's why they are not mentioned even frequently.

[STS]

allow me to educate you ;)

the REASON, so many satanists dress in sh*tty black, have funny symbols(apparently everything can be a satanic symbol from what i learnt in RE class) and taste in music(Slipknot, Slayer, etc), and are so deranged in the first place, is becoz of neurotic pastors, mothers, aunts, overly-religious friends and media. yes, i'm blaming every idiot for satanism besides satan.

nowhere is there a guide(besides the satanic bible, but we'll get to that later) stating exactly what a satanist should be. so WHERE do they get these *****ed up assumptions and ideas? again, from all the above sources. Oom Pastor Piet sitting there and trying to put the fear of God into his segregation and telling them about a book he just read about someone who was a High Priest for Satan for a billion trillion years and then got a change of heart one day. stories are passed on as if they're true, and eventually you have them happening to everyone that you knows friend.

REAL SATANISTS, and note the emphasised REAL, do NOT believe in a devil or a god. even the Satanic Bible, written by an atheist, copyrighted in case some loons in the future got a prophecy from satan and overly and used as a gudieline for this such said copyrighted satanism, even says that there is no such thing as a real satan or a real god. don't believe me, go read it ;)

the only brain-damaged satanists that you will meet are the same ones who would be brain-damaged christians if they weren't so "cool" and "rebellious". i'm sick of hearing how a someone was "flung across a room" and how "a demon jumped out of a possessed person" becoz this is the kind of sh*t christianity creates.

[Good Life]

STFU Dorothy!
A friend of a friend is hardly concrete evidence...oh wait...this is Lizard boy I am talking to.
You dont need evidence.

This is the police i'm talking about. Dimwit.
unless you want to join the satanists and see it for yourself. Didn't think so. :rolleyes:

[HapticSimian]

like the specialist that dealt with morne harmse ? that guy had me a good laff or two with his words on how he was not a satanist but into dum dum dum The Dark Arts being;

tarot
oja board
something else

...that is hardly the "dark arts", more like the "dark farts"

OK, I missed the parentheses... "specialists" - in name, if not in function. :D

[DJ...]

Can't believe I'm doing this but, don't be so dismissive of Good Larf on this count. The SAPD does employ specialists in occult activity - maybe not enough of them for a 'department', but they are there. As to the extent of it - that only Lizard Boy would know ;)

/runs and hides

I don't deny that there are possibly specialists in the field. But an entire branch of occult crime specialists? Er, no. It reminds me of the early 90s outcry against satanism where they were reporting countless crimes committed by satanists, but the specialist investigators themselves debunked that and stated that during all their time, they had yet to come across an actual satanic ritual killing. There were murders attributed to satanism which turned out to be a bunch of warped youths with some twisted views of satanism - they turned out not be actual satanists as in the actual religion.

More than just that, I've yet to come across any local media stories about ritualistic satanic murders. One would think that there would be extensive reports if there really was a dedicated branch of occult investigation...

[BCO]

mmmm.... baby's blood. Delish.

[Human]

These are cases of a sensitive nature, and that's why they are not mentioned even frequently.

Oh my word, that reads like all kinds of stupid.:D

[Pr⊕phet]

This is the police i'm talking about. Dimwit.
unless you want to join the satanists and see it for yourself. Didn't think so. :rolleyes:

evidently you know only one side of the coin, that's like saying join the christian faith if you want to love your neighbor and deny there was fools like the awb whom also serving god but with selective neighborly love...

[Good Life]

Oh my word, that reads like all kinds of stupid.:D

occult = hidden

do the math!

[Praeses]

allow me to educate you ;)

the REASON, so many satanists dress in sh*tty black, have funny symbols and taste in music, and are so deranged in the first place, is becoz of neurotic pastors, mothers, aunts, overly-religious friends and media. yes, i'm blaming every idiot for satanism besides satan.

nowhere is there a guide(besides the satanic bible, but we'll get to that later) stating exactly what a satanist should be. so WHERE do they get these *****ed up assumptions and ideas? again, from all the above sources. stories are passed on as if they're true, and eventually you have them happening to everyone that you knows friend.

REAL SATANISTS, and note the emphasised REAL, do NOT believe a devil or a god. even the Satanic Bible, written by an atheist, copyrighted in case some loons in the future got a prophecy from satan and overly and used as a gudieline for this such said copyrighted satanism, even says that there is no such thing as a real satan or a real god. don't believe me, go read it ;)

the only brain-damaged satanists that you will meet are the same ones who would be brain-damaged christians if they weren't so "cool" and "rebellious". i'm sick of hearing how a someone was "flung across a room" and how "a demon jumped out of a possessed person" becoz this is the kind of sh*t christianity creates.

Well said. Lots of story tellers, attention seeking and fear mongering people out there. People believe it because they FEAR that it's true.

[Pr⊕phet]

I don't deny that there are possibly specialists in the field. But an entire branch of occult crime specialists? Er, no. It reminds me of the early 90s outcry against satanism where they were reporting countless crimes committed by satanists, but the specialist investigators themselves debunked that and stated that during all their time, they had yet to come across an actual satanic ritual killing. There were murders attributed to satanism which turned out to be a bunch of warped youths with some twisted views of satanism - they turned out not be actual satanists as in the actual religion.

More than just that, I've yet to come across any local media stories about ritualistic satanic murders. One would think that there would be extensive reports if there really was a dedicated branch of occult investigation...

the ow joy pamphlets that fallowed that "event". sure i can still dig them out together with all the other you are going to hell booklets i have received along my travels.

[Good Life]

evidently you know only one side of the coin, that's like saying join the christian faith if you want to love your neighbor and deny there was fools like the awb whom also serving god but with selective neighborly love...

i know both sides. there's this side, and the other side is about philospohical self help and improving as a person. Each religion has it's good and bad sides.

[Human]

This is the police i'm talking about. Dimwit.
unless you want to join the satanists and see it for yourself. Didn't think so. :rolleyes:

Dont confuse me with you.
I understood that you implied that you have a friend of a friend of a cousin that deals with occult cases...:rolleyes:
My post stands Dorothy.

[NoCause]

Let me tell you you ppl have no idea how bad it is.

One of my family members worked in the police squad that dealt with the satanic inspired crimes. You just dont have a clue how bad it really is, you don't see what goes on out there... plz remember that

[Pr⊕phet]

occult = hidden

do the math!

does that make any thing occult i have not learnt about which is then currently hidden from me ?

[Pr⊕phet]

Let me tell you you ppl have no idea how bad it is.

One of my family members worked in the police squad that dealt with the satanic inspired crimes. You just dont have a clue how bad it really is, you don't see what goes on out there... plz remember that

:rolleyes:

[DJ...]

At least, i'm not completely ignorant.

So because me and RZA have word of mouth from the police, makes it untrue in your eyes ? :rolleyes:

Occult means hidden. These are cases of a sensitive nature, and that's why they are not mentioned even frequently.

You and rza are hardly the most credible of sources. Word of mouth coming from the two of you is very easily dismissed in my books and I presume many others.

As for the last bit of your post, well that's just a whole heap of shyte right there. The name depicts what they are investigating, not how it is released to the public. You evidently have absolutely no idea how journalism works if you believe that they'd be unable to report on this type of thing. Especially considering that you state that there are murders taking place. Oh, but the police are happy to discuss it with you, I'm sure...

[noxibox]

There used to be this loony cop, from the Eastern Cape I think, who was always running around spouting nonsense about satanism (ritual abuse, breeding babies for sacrifice, and related delusions). Is this the same guy?

[NoCause]

I don't deny that there are possibly specialists in the field. But an entire branch of occult crime specialists? Er, no. It reminds me of the early 90s outcry against satanism where they were reporting countless crimes committed by satanists, but the specialist investigators themselves debunked that and stated that during all their time, they had yet to come across an actual satanic ritual killing. There were murders attributed to satanism which turned out to be a bunch of warped youths with some twisted views of satanism - they turned out not be actual satanists as in the actual religion.

More than just that, I've yet to come across any local media stories about ritualistic satanic murders. One would think that there would be extensive reports if there really was a dedicated branch of occult investigation...

Dude, the SAPD has a division for satanic related crimes...

[Good Life]

Dont confuse me with you.
I understood that you implied that you have a friend of a friend of a cousin that deals with occult cases...:rolleyes:
My post stands Dorothy.

How long are you going to act so inanely stupid ? Friend of a friend counts for zero when both are in the police.

[Good Life]

You and rza are hardly the most credible of sources. Word of mouth coming from the two of you is very easily dismissed in my books and I presume many others.

As for the last bit of your post, well that's just a whole heap of shyte right there. The name depicts what they are investigating, not how it is released to the public. You evidently have absolutely no idea how journalism works if you believe that they'd be unable to report on this type of thing. Especially considering that you state that there are murders taking place. Oh, but the police are happy to discuss it with you, I'm sure...

Wow. Just Wow. DJ. :sick:

[DJ...]

Dude, the SAPD has a division for satanic related crimes...

How do I get in touch with them? Or do they get in touch with me instead? An entire division? How do you know this? All we have so far is "I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who said *insert hearsay"

I'd like to report a crime by the way, so I'd appreciate it if you could send me their contact details...

[Good Life]

does that make any thing occult i have not learnt about which is then currently hidden from me ?

my reason for stating hidden, is because most of it, is not at all public knowledge. unless you hear it from the police.

[rza]

Because we want to know what you think for a change.

I have encountered satanism personally so of course I have a lot ot say about it. Satanists tried to kill me and my friend, who is a deliverance minister, when we went to North West for his ministry. Of course they would considering we went to North West to declare war against them. I have seen people who are bothered by satanism, so I do have a lot to say about it. But my opinion doesn't matter to me, so I'll stick to the bible's opinion of satanism.

[Human]

How long are you going to act so inanely stupid ? Friend of a friend counts for zero when both are in the police.

So Dorothy.
If these crimes are so occult and hidden... is it that you ahve such knowledge about this?
Are you a consultant? :p

[NoCause]

My aunt was in that division. Thats why i know there is one

[DJ...]

my reason for stating hidden, is because most of it, is not at all public knowledge. unless you hear it from the police.

Now why is it not public knowledge? What possible purpose would that serve, hiding it from the public?

[rza]

well there was two, to note my thread was deleted (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=130138) without thought but lonegun (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=63067)' still remains.

Wow, that was injustice.

[Pr⊕phet]

my reason for stating hidden, is because most of it, is not at all public knowledge. unless you hear it from the police.

so the police is then an occult cult themselves ?

you still have not answered my question which is very simple;

does that make any thing occult i have not learnt about which is then currently hidden from me ?

[rza]

I said of late - those are from ages ago. rza said he's here to give a xtian perspective to the things discussed on the forum. This thread therefore implies that satanism has of late been discussed on the forum, which isn't true. Ergo, rza is talking k@k and is merely here to preach, and will lie to defend that position. It's pathetic. And what's even more pathetic is that he makes up stories about satanism (which is evident from the OP) and has absolutely no grasp of what satanism actually is...

I'm using a world-renowned expert's view of satanism, so I don't understand why you accuse me of making up stories. Aren't we allowed to use experts' opinion?

[Pr⊕phet]

gotten your opinion together yet ?


Why can't I use the bible or Dr Jonker's description?


because i'm sure god give you your own opinion, as well as means to research so that you don't die off due too the lack of knowledge.

just going buy what other people said and was writ without thought or evaluation leads to stagnation, which in turns make you out to be another mindless clone.

...what do you say define a satanist ?

[HapticSimian]

Wow, that was injustice.

/flabbergasted

Wow, an opinion? Seriously...?

[Praeses]

So if I kill a person and say it's for satan, does that make it a satanic murder? I don't even believe in satan, it's more of an attention seeking and fear inducing act.
Believing in such nonsense is why there is such nonsense. Because you believe that it really is a satanic act, the person is getting exactly the kind of attention he/she wants. Satan (if it existed) is an angel that didn't like the way god ran the place. Doesn't mean he would be completely anti-god. Is a Hindu anti-christian just because their views differ?

[STS]

Occultism is the study of occult or hidden wisdom. To the occultist it is the study of "Truth", a deeper truth that exists beneath the surface: 'The truth is always hidden in plain sight'. It can involve such subjects as magic (alternatively spelled and defined as magick), alchemy, extra-sensory perception, astrology, spiritualism and numerology. There is often a strong religious element to these studies and beliefs, and many occultists profess adherence to religions such as Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Luciferianism, Thelema, and Neopaganism.


Some religious denominations view the occult as being anything supernatural or paranormal which is not achieved by or through God (as defined by those religious denominations), and is therefore the work of an opposing and malevolent entity. The word has negative connotations for many people, and while certain practices considered by some to be "occult" are also found within mainstream religions, in this context the term "occult" is rarely used and is sometimes substituted with "esoteric".

as science appeals to the intellectual side of people, the occult appeals to the emotional side of people.

[DJ...]

I'm using a world-renowned expert's view of satanism, so I don't understand why you accuse me of making up stories. Aren't we allowed to use experts' opinion?

You used personal stories of satanists trying to kill you, killing your buddy, trying to kill another buddy of yours, performing ritualistic murders etc. I call BS on all of that.

But my post was directed at your soap-boxing. If you're not here to debate something, then kindly leave. The forum isn't your personal preaching soap-box...

[Pr⊕phet]

Occultism is the study of occult or hidden wisdom. To the occultist it is the study of "Truth", a deeper truth that exists beneath the surface: 'The truth is always hidden in plain sight'. It can involve such subjects as magic (alternatively spelled and defined as magick), alchemy, extra-sensory perception, astrology, spiritualism and numerology. There is often a strong religious element to these studies and beliefs, and many occultists profess adherence to religions such as Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Luciferianism, Thelema, and Neopaganism.



Some religious denominations view the occult as being anything supernatural or paranormal which is not achieved by or through God (as defined by those religious denominations), and is therefore the work of an opposing and malevolent entity. The word has negative connotations for many people, and while certain practices considered by some to be "occult" are also found within mainstream religions, in this context the term "occult" is rarely used and is sometimes substituted with "esoteric".

as science appeals to the intellectual side of people, the occult appeals to the emotional side of people.

pffft, i would hardly call for example initiation into hermetics "emotional" as the sheer amount of theory needed to be studied, applied and not to mention the application of a disciplined mind is not just plainly *** lol emotional people.

[rza]

That part can be in either the movement side of it, or the religion side. Anyway, i heard it from satanists themselves.

That's why I made a distinction between two types of satanists. There are those who still don't know what they are getting themselves into, and they have a misguided view of what satanism is all about. Then there are recruiters, they masquerade as cool guys, yet some of them have been around for billions of years. There were there in Genesis 6!

[noxibox]

Dude, the SAPD has a division for satanic related crimes...
Which only means that someone is listening to gullible idiots.


word of mouth from the police
A reliable source would be better. Members of the police are not immune to believing all manner of ridiculous nonsense.

[HapticSimian]

yet some of them have been around for billions of years. There were there in Genesis 6!

I thought everything was 6,000 years old rza?

[rza]

because i'm sure god give you your own opinion, as well as means to research so that you don't die off due too the lack of knowledge.

just going buy what other people said and was writ without thought or evaluation leads to stagnation, which in turns make you out to be another mindless clone.

...what do you say define a satanist ?

Satanists are people who are recruited to fulfill Satan's will, the same way Christians are fulfilling Christ's will. There are those satanists who have been around for billions of years, they are the ones who recruit interns. They live in the second heaven, and they are watching me and you right now with disgust.

[Good Life]

Now why is it not public knowledge? What possible purpose would that serve, hiding it from the public?

How should i know ?
The police that i've come across keep it under wraps because even though it's murder, they consider it very sensitive since it's of a religious nature.

[Pr⊕phet]

That's why I made a distinction between two types of satanists. There are those who still don't know what they are getting themselves into, and they have a misguided view of what satanism is all about. Then there are recruiters, they masquerade as cool guys, yet some of them have been around for billions of years. There were there in Genesis 6!

could almost read as:


That's why I made a distinction between two types of Christians. There are those who still don't know what they are getting themselves into, and they have a misguided view of what Christianity is all about. Then there are recruiters, they masquerade as cool guys, yet some of them have been around for billions of years.

[rza]

Can you point me to where they officially stated this please? If they did, they're as deluded as you then...

SAPS has a division dedicated to satanism and other occults, so that's the first place to check. Or you can google Dr Jonker and get what he thinks of satanism.

[Good Life]

A reliable source would be better. Members of the police are not immune to believing all manner of ridiculous nonsense.

Why not visit the occult branch of the police then, and ask to speak to police who do the investigations ?

[Pr⊕phet]

SAPS has a division dedicated to satanism and other occults, so that's the first place to check. Or you can google Dr Jonker and get what he thinks of satanism.

any chance of an actual link to the existing unit inside the cops without all the hocus pocus ?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Why are people still insisting satanism is a good old peaceful religion, even though Kobus Jonker has for decades proven that satanism is the most evil of all cults? As a christian I know the effects of satanism, and I know that it's purpose is to kill and destroy people. But it seems there are people who are deluded into thinking this occult is peaceful? Of course satanists masquerading as normal people do respond to this kind of topics, but I worry about innocent people who are fooled into this evil occult.

If you are involved in satanism, it's not too late, Jesus can safely get you out of it. Regardless of the threats by satanists, they can't kill you if you leave them for Jesus. But they'll definitely kill you if you leave them without Jesus. I knew a friend who was burned to ashes mysteriously by satanists in prison, and I wish I was born-again then as I could have helped him. They (satanists) persuaded him to slaughter his neighbour senselessly with an axe, but when he wanted to get out of satanism they followed him to prison and burned him to death. Had he left them for Jesus, he'll still be alive like hundreds of former-satanists who left the occult for Jesus.

I will like to thank God for using and protecting Kobus Jonker against satanism. The worst works of satanism are seen in our roads, through accidents they cause. A friend of mine said she was leaving Pochefstroom on sunday night and she saw two very bad accident on the N12. While driving she saw a woman carrying a baby, but she disappeared within a second. I was surprised that she thought she was a witch, as I expected to be the one to say that. Of course I have met satanists on the roads, so I know what she was referrin to.

The bible says: "The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them" (Psalm 34:7). I'm protected by an angel of God against satanism, that's why I can speak against them. But who protects you and your children against satanism?

whats a jesus?

[Gothan]

I have encountered satanism personally so of course I have a lot ot say about it. Satanists tried to kill me and my friend, who is a deliverance minister, when we went to North West for his ministry. Of course they would considering we went to North West to declare war against them. I have seen people who are bothered by satanism, so I do have a lot to say about it. But my opinion doesn't matter to me, so I'll stick to the bible's opinion of satanism.

Buddy, I get this feeling you have a grudge against potch....I don't like it, those are my peeps, grew up there, better watch where you fling those witch burning pyres

[Good Life]

so the police is then an occult cult themselves ?

you still have not answered my question which is very simple;

A cult ? Where do you come up with that ?
I still don't understand your question. Please rephrase.

[rza]

So you cannot be killed by humans then?

I cannot be killed by anybody until God removes the protection he has for me, when my time is up in this world. So no accident death will happen to me, you can be sure of that.

[Human]

Satanists are people who are recruited to fulfill Satan's will, the same way Christians are fulfilling Christ's will. There are those satanists who have been around for billions of years, they are the ones who recruit interns. They live in the second heaven, and they are watching me and you right now with disgust.

Huh?
Not a single sentence made sense there!
Not even one.

[rza]

Aw, Junior's having another hissie fit. Shame.

Can you point me to these cases please? They'd surely be reported extensively by the media, especially if there is some dedicated police branch for "occult crimes". LOL.

You didn't know SAPS has an occult division?

[DJ...]

So if I kill a person and say it's for satan, does that make it a satanic murder?

We'll have to ask the SAPD's Satan hotline. I'm still waiting for the number...

Operator: 10111 what's your emergency?
Guy: I just saw satan in my garden
Operator: Hang on sir, I'll patch you through to that department
Guy: Er, there's a satan department? Really?
Operator: Yes sir
Guy: Why haven't I heard of them before?
Operator: Well during the course of their first investigation, they encountered an evil spirit who cast a spell on them which has permanently sealed their mouths shut. They therefore cannot make any public statements. We have employed two people on an internet forum to leak information to the public though.
Guy: Oh right, well that makes sense.
Operator: Don't tell anyone that they exist though.
Guy: Why not?
Operator: They're very sensitive about their condition

[rza]

once again how can we be really sure it is not christian BS stories.

The Occult ?
a cult ?

not really such a thing as An Occult, well not in the literal sense anyways.

You don't create an SAPS division because of Christian myths, do you?

[HapticSimian]

I know you have egg flying from all angles, rza... but you missed this:


yet some of them have been around for billions of years. There were there in Genesis 6!

I thought everything was 6,000 years old?

[Good Life]

We'll have to ask the SAPD's Satan hotline. I'm still waiting for the number...

Operator: 10111 what's your emergency?
Guy: I just saw satan in my garden
Operator: Hang on sir, I'll patch you through to that department
Guy: Er, there's a satan department? Really?
Operator: Yes sir
Guy: Why haven't I heard of them before?
Operator: Well during the course of their first investigation, they encountered an evil spirit who cast a spell on them which has permanently sealed their mouths shut. They therefore cannot make any public statements. We have employed two people on an internet forum to leak information to the public though.
Guy: Oh right, well that makes sense.
Operator: Don't tell anyone that they exist though.
Guy: Why not?
Operator: They're very sensitive about their condition


Quite interesting how your brain works. What you don't understand, you mock!

[Pr⊕phet]

You don't create an SAPS division because of Christian myths, do you?

you tell me. why not ?

[Pr⊕phet]

SAPS has a division dedicated to satanism and other occults, so that's the first place to check. Or you can google Dr Jonker and get what he thinks of satanism.

any chance of an actual link to the existing unit inside the cops without all the hocus pocus ?
.

[Human]

ah things could become interesting soon.
Jemenesis just logged on and posted his very own BLOG and MONOLOGUE!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

gives "flying squad" a whole new meaning

[DJ...]

How should i know ?

You could ask your buddy. You know, the one who told you about this all. One would think that would be an obvious question when someone tells you about this secret police unit. Er, why so secret, bruvva?


I cannot be killed by anybody until God removes the protection he has for me, when my time is up in this world. So no accident death will happen to me, you can be sure of that.

So I couldn't (as an example) ram a fork into your temple and kill you? The angels will activate your force-field for you at that point?

[Human]

gives "flying squad" a whole new meaning

No that is the code name for the Witches Squad.
Think Charmed but with South African accents and they not as pretty...

[Albereth]

Why are people still insisting satanism is a good old peaceful religion,

Whoever those people are - they're nuts. Satanism isn't a religion.

[Pr⊕phet]

A cult ? Where do you come up with that ?
I still don't understand your question. Please rephrase.

in simple.

there is an apple i know off, but i don't know that the apple is green, is the knowledge that it is green also occult.

[Pr⊕phet]

SAPS has a division dedicated to satanism and other occults, so that's the first place to check. Or you can google Dr Jonker and get what he thinks of satanism.

any chance of an actual link to the existing unit inside the cops without all the hocus pocus ?
..

[Good Life]

What's your point, Necuno ?

[DJ...]

Quite interesting how your brain works. What you don't understand, you mock!

No, I just see the funny side of this, that's all. Some secret police unit who are secretive for absolutely no apparent reason, investigating crimes they attribute to a religion that does not preach ritual killings, which are never reported in the media whatsoever because, well, investigative journalists have been told to hush up about it. Sure thang...

[Good Life]

You could ask your buddy. You know, the one who told you about this all. One would think that would be an obvious question when someone tells you about this secret police unit. Er, why so secret, bruvva?

One has to give credit to the police that they are also covering the religious side of things, pertaining to crime. The secrecy is warranted, since it's of a religious nature, and people obviously will be upset.

[rza]

allow me to educate you ;)

the REASON, so many satanists dress in sh*tty black, have funny symbols(apparently everything can be a satanic symbol from what i learnt in RE class) and taste in music(Slipknot, Slayer, etc), and are so deranged in the first place, is becoz of neurotic pastors, mothers, aunts, overly-religious friends and media. yes, i'm blaming every idiot for satanism besides satan.

nowhere is there a guide(besides the satanic bible, but we'll get to that later) stating exactly what a satanist should be. so WHERE do they get these *****ed up assumptions and ideas? again, from all the above sources. Oom Pastor Piet sitting there and trying to put the fear of God into his segregation and telling them about a book he just read about someone who was a High Priest for Satan for a billion trillion years and then got a change of heart one day. stories are passed on as if they're true, and eventually you have them happening to everyone that you knows friend.

REAL SATANISTS, and note the emphasised REAL, do NOT believe in a devil or a god. even the Satanic Bible, written by an atheist, copyrighted in case some loons in the future got a prophecy from satan and overly and used as a gudieline for this such said copyrighted satanism, even says that there is no such thing as a real satan or a real god. don't believe me, go read it ;)

the only brain-damaged satanists that you will meet are the same ones who would be brain-damaged christians if they weren't so "cool" and "rebellious". i'm sick of hearing how a someone was "flung across a room" and how "a demon jumped out of a possessed person" becoz this is the kind of sh*t christianity creates.

You don't know real satanists then, and you are the reason I wrote this topic so I can educate you what real satanism is. Do you actually think this occult started last century? This is an occult that started before the earth as we know it came into being. Satanism interns may be humans, but their bosses are billions of years old. The interns you speak to haven't been exposed to real satanism, but they will be very soon to their own destruction. Perhaps get them to chat on this topic, and I'll tell them what real satanism is.

[HapticSimian]

I know you have egg flying from all angles, rza... but you missed this:


yet some of them have been around for billions of years. There were there in Genesis 6!

I thought everything was 6,000 years old?

!!!!111!1!!!111!!ELEVENTY!!!1!1

[noxibox]

Why not visit the occult branch of the police then, and ask to speak to police who do the investigations ?
So I can see up close that they're delusional?


I cannot be killed by anybody until God removes the protection he has for me, when my time is up in this world. So no accident death will happen to me, you can be sure of that.
Where do you live?


You don't create an SAPS division because of Christian myths, do you?
I don't see why not. There seems to be a steady supply of people still believing this Satanism myth.

If you're a Satanist does that mean you worship Satan, but a satanist worships satan(s) (all of them or do you just pick one)?

What SAP really needs is a gnome division. There's a big plot going on and all the garden gnomes are in on it. You can be sure the gnome cult is involved if someone dies and there any garden gnomes nearby. Best to avoid living near nurseries too because they're havens for those suckers.

[Good Life]

No, I just see the funny side of this, that's all. Some secret police unit who are secretive for absolutely no apparent reason, investigating crimes they attribute to a religion that does not preach ritual killings, which are never reported in the media whatsoever because, well, investigative journalists have been told to hush up about it. Sure thang...

If you are so convinced that the information i and rza got from the police, is untrue, why not find out for yourself, by visiting the an occult investigation branch of the police and start asking questions ?

[Pr⊕phet]

whats your answer ?


What's your point, Necuno ?


A cult ? Where do you come up with that ?
I still don't understand your question. Please rephrase.in simple.

there is an apple i know off, but i don't know that the apple is green, is the knowledge that it is green also occult.

[STS]

pffft, i would hardly call for example initiation into hermetics "emotional" as the sheer amount of theory needed to be studied, applied and not to mention the application of a disciplined mind is not just plainly *** lol emotional people.

the occult is spiritual, it's not like there is a real reason for using certain colour candles besides how it affects you, or what language you speak in a ritual. i was using that as an example

[Quantum Theory]

I didn't know the things that happen on Supernatural were real.

I hope Sam and Dean can save us all...

[Good Life]

So I can see up close that they're delusional?



A real WTF moment here from noxibox. :eek:
I'm providing you an alternative to me as a (indirect) source.

[Human]

You don't know real satanists then, and you are the reason I wrote this topic so I can educate you what real satanism is. Do you actually think this occult started last century? This is an occult that started before the earth as we know it came into being. Satanism interns may be humans, but their bosses are billions of years old. The interns you speak to haven't been exposed to real satanism, but they will be very soon to their own destruction. Perhaps get them to chat on this topic, and I'll tell them what real satanism is.

oh dear...
so do they have special powers and stuff?

[Pr⊕phet]

SAPS has a division dedicated to satanism and other occults, so that's the first place to check. Or you can google Dr Jonker and get what he thinks of satanism.

any chance of an actual link to the existing unit inside the cops without all the hocus pocus ?
...

[rza]

I don't deny that there are possibly specialists in the field. But an entire branch of occult crime specialists? Er, no. It reminds me of the early 90s outcry against satanism where they were reporting countless crimes committed by satanists, but the specialist investigators themselves debunked that and stated that during all their time, they had yet to come across an actual satanic ritual killing. There were murders attributed to satanism which turned out to be a bunch of warped youths with some twisted views of satanism - they turned out not be actual satanists as in the actual religion.

More than just that, I've yet to come across any local media stories about ritualistic satanic murders. One would think that there would be extensive reports if there really was a dedicated branch of occult investigation...

Your information is wrong. Dr Jonker's team has been solving a lot of satanism related cases for more than a decade. They solved so effectively that satanists tried to kill them on the road, it's there on google. If that division was impotent then it could have been closed a long time ago. If Dr Jonker was impotent as a satanism specialist then he could have never been considered an expert in the field, and asked to give expert statement on the Harmse case.

[Pr⊕phet]

Your information is wrong. Dr Jonker's team has been solving a lot of satanism related cases for more than a decade. They solved so effectively that satanists tried to kill them on the road, it's there on google. If that division was impotent then it could have been closed a long time ago. If Dr Jonker was impotent as a satanism specialist then he could have never been considered an expert in the field, and asked to give expert statement on the Harmse case.

i'm all most too afraid to ask, but does Dr Jonker have something that is hard linked to him which one can look at; info, cases, studies, data and so on.

[rza]

Let me tell you you ppl have no idea how bad it is.

One of my family members worked in the police squad that dealt with the satanic inspired crimes. You just dont have a clue how bad it really is, you don't see what goes on out there... plz remember that

God bless your family member, he does a good job.

[rza]

You and rza are hardly the most credible of sources. Word of mouth coming from the two of you is very easily dismissed in my books and I presume many others.

As for the last bit of your post, well that's just a whole heap of shyte right there. The name depicts what they are investigating, not how it is released to the public. You evidently have absolutely no idea how journalism works if you believe that they'd be unable to report on this type of thing. Especially considering that you state that there are murders taking place. Oh, but the police are happy to discuss it with you, I'm sure...

We have a source, SAPS Occult division. What's your source?

[HapticSimian]

I know you have egg flying from all angles, rza... but you missed this:


yet some of them have been around for billions of years. There were there in Genesis 6!

I thought everything was 6,000 years old?

!!!!111!1!!!111!!ELEVENTY!!!1!1

[STS]

You don't know real satanists then, and you are the reason I wrote this topic so I can educate you what real satanism is. Do you actually think this occult started last century? This is an occult that started before the earth as we know it came into being. Satanism interns may be humans, but their bosses are billions of years old. The interns you speak to haven't been exposed to real satanism, but they will be very soon to their own destruction. Perhaps get them to chat on this topic, and I'll tell them what real satanism is.

alright, i confess, i'm a High Priest in Satanism for the Johannesburg area. we've been interested in you for a logn time Rza. we see what you're doing, and we have to say, we don't like it. you're turning down our sales, how are we suppose to be cool when kids are getting hip on Jesus? i was sent to mislead you, and if i could, convert you to our cause. what do you say? you get to live in a life of luxury until you have to come to Hell, then it isn't SOOO bad

[rza]

So if I kill a person and say it's for satan, does that make it a satanic murder? I don't even believe in satan, it's more of an attention seeking and fear inducing act.
Believing in such nonsense is why there is such nonsense. Because you believe that it really is a satanic act, the person is getting exactly the kind of attention he/she wants. Satan (if it existed) is an angel that didn't like the way god ran the place. Doesn't mean he would be completely anti-god. Is a Hindu anti-christian just because their views differ?

Not if there's evidence that satanism really influenced your actions.

[rza]

You used personal stories of satanists trying to kill you, killing your buddy, trying to kill another buddy of yours, performing ritualistic murders etc. I call BS on all of that.

But my post was directed at your soap-boxing. If you're not here to debate something, then kindly leave. The forum isn't your personal preaching soap-box...

You can't have a topic that has 10 pages without there being a debate.

[HapticSimian]

Yet you choose to ignore my DIRECT QUESTION to you? :rolleyes:

[rza]

Which only means that someone is listening to gullible idiots.


A reliable source would be better. Members of the police are not immune to believing all manner of ridiculous nonsense.

Who is a reliable source in this case according to you? A Magistrate?

[noxibox]

I'm providing you an alternative to me as a (indirect) source.
Feel totally free to provide a reliable source.

[rza]

I thought everything was 6,000 years old rza?

Not everything, God is not and so are satanist.

[rza]

any chance of an actual link to the existing unit inside the cops without all the hocus pocus ?

Your nearest police station will do.

[DJ...]

One has to give credit to the police that they are also covering the religious side of things, pertaining to crime. The secrecy is warranted, since it's of a religious nature, and people obviously will be upset.

How is it any different to any other crime where emotions would run high? race for example. I don't see the reason to keep it a secret. I still call BS...


If you are so convinced that the information i and rza got from the police, is untrue, why not find out for yourself, by visiting the an occult investigation branch of the police and start asking questions ?

I googled and all I could find was a pdf pertaining to training for the youth desk at the SAPS, which trains them for teenage issues and how to handle them. One being occult related problems - here it is (http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:IRP7c-komFoJ:www.saps.gov.za/docs_publs/legislation/sec15_avail_records.pdf+saps+occult+division&hl=en&gl=za). I couldn't find any information whatsoever about an SAPS Occult division.

I then called 08600 10 111 and told them that I would like to speak to their occult division. The woman told me they do not have a division by that name. I then told her that I witnessed a satanic crime and she asked me what type of crime. I said I cannot tell her, I need to speak to someone in the division that deals with satanic related crimes. She repeated that it does not exist. I asked if there ever was a division of that nature to which she asked me to hold on, came back on the line and confirmed with her superior that it never existed.

Now can you please rather just point me in the correct direction, because google doesn't know about it, the saps' website states nothing about it and the SAPS themselves have never heard of it...:rolleyes:

[rza]

Buddy, I get this feeling you have a grudge against potch....I don't like it, those are my peeps, grew up there, better watch where you fling those witch burning pyres

I like North West, but I don't like the funny stories that I hear from North West. It seems people are under attack there.

[DJ...]

Not everything, God is not and so are satanist.

LOL. So satanists were around before the earth was created, according to you?

[HapticSimian]

Not everything, God is not and so are satanist.

Ah, OK. So the two forces of good and evil have been duking it out for 'billions of years' but reached a point of stalemate. Then your watchmaker figured, 6,000 years ago, he'd plonk us down on this blue marble so they can have the added currency of our souls to squabble over? Right... gotcha.

[noxibox]

It really is a sad state of affairs when a nutjob like Kobus Jonker is called as an expert witness. His testimony in the Harmse case was laughable.

I see reports of the Occult Crimes unit having been disbanded. Which would be reasonable considering it was nothing more than a front for deranged Christian police officers to indulge their fantasies.

[rza]

Whoever those people are - they're nuts. Satanism isn't a religion.

What is it?

[Good Life]

whats your answer ?

I can't give you an answer, because your first question is confusing.

[Balstrome]

He doesn't have a view, he's a puppet.

You want to know what a puppet is ?:p

[rza]

If you're a Satanist does that mean you worship Satan, but a satanist worships satan(s) (all of them or do you just pick one)?


Of course you worship satan.

[porn$tar]

The comedy duo of rza and GL at it again.

/applauds

[DJ...]

It really is a sad state of affairs when a nutjob like Kobus Jonker is called as an expert witness. His testimony in the Harmse case was laughable.

I see reports of the Occult Crimes unit having been disbanded. Which would be reasonable considering it was nothing more than a front for deranged Christian police officers to indulge their fantasies.

Where is this occult crimes unit? I called the SAPS, googled for it and checked their website and couldn't find a single thing about them...

[undesign]

you still get real satanists? :confused::confused::confused:

[rza]

i'm all most too afraid to ask, but does Dr Jonker have something that is hard linked to him which one can look at; info, cases, studies, data and so on.

You don't start a policing division from scratch, and become a no 1 expert on the field if you have no credentials to speak of.

[rza]

alright, i confess, i'm a High Priest in Satanism for the Johannesburg area. we've been interested in you for a logn time Rza. we see what you're doing, and we have to say, we don't like it. you're turning down our sales, how are we suppose to be cool when kids are getting hip on Jesus? i was sent to mislead you, and if i could, convert you to our cause. what do you say? you get to live in a life of luxury until you have to come to Hell, then it isn't SOOO bad

Of course that's what they say, they promise you liberty then you end up fighting for your freedom.

[HapticSimian]

You don't start a policing division from scratch, and become a no 1 expert on the field if you have no credentials to speak of.

Similarly, calling yourself an expert on invisible pink unicorns has little merit.

[DJ...]

I see it's called the occult related crimes unit. Right, I found it. Seems the only member of this elite unit is jonker himself. *EDIT* Ah, they were disbanded...

I found this on the Harmse case - http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20090901125023688C150023

That is absolutely LOL-worthy...:D

[rza]

LOL. So satanists were around before the earth was created, according to you?

Yep.

[rza]

It really is a sad state of affairs when a nutjob like Kobus Jonker is called as an expert witness. His testimony in the Harmse case was laughable.

I see reports of the Occult Crimes unit having been disbanded. Which would be reasonable considering it was nothing more than a front for deranged Christian police officers to indulge their fantasies.

So it did exist afterall? Tell that to DJ.

[rza]

Where is this occult crimes unit? I called the SAPS, googled for it and checked their website and couldn't find a single thing about them...

You seem to be the only one who doesn't know about it.

[noxibox]

Now can you please rather just point me in the correct direction, because google doesn't know about it, the saps' website states nothing about it and the SAPS themselves have never heard of it...:rolleyes:
I think there was, but the separate unit was closed down nearly a decade ago. Has not stopped the religious crazies in the police force from continuing their campaign. There have been articles in their official newsletter/magazine and there was a lot of occult nonsense on their web site at one time. It all amounted to nothing more than the standard drek about the occult, satanism, witchcraft etc that they typically trotted out when I was at school. Which is pretty much the same rubbish Jonker was spouting in the Harmse trial.

[rza]

I see it's called the occult related crimes unit. Right, I found it. Seems the only member of this elite unit is jonker himself. *EDIT* Ah, they were disbanded...

I found this on the Harmse case - http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20090901125023688C150023

That is absolutely LOL-worthy...:D

You shouldn't lie just because it's a forum.

[DJ...]

rza - can you explain in your own words what a satanist is, what they worship, why they worship, what their rituals are, why they murder etc etc. Your own words please. Evidently my understanding of satanism is as per Anton LaVey's form of satanism as a religion (sort of)...

[Balstrome]

In like human form satanists or bubble-wrapped waiting for earth creation day. Did they get released before or after humans left the garden. They must have been really pissed to wait that long to get released, or was it to marinate them in their evil to bring out the flavour.

[rza]

I think there was, but the separate unit was closed down nearly a decade ago. Has not stopped the religious crazies in the police force from continuing their campaign. There have been articles in their official newsletter/magazine and there was a lot of occult nonsense on their web site at one time. It all amounted to nothing more than the standard drek about the occult, satanism, witchcraft etc that they typically trotted out when I was at school. Which is pretty much the same rubbish Jonker was spouting in the Harmse trial.

Jonker doesn't work for SAPS anymore, but the people he worked with are still in the SAPS and doing the work. They just don't have a separate division anymore. So don't make it out to be about Jonker, because it's not.

[HapticSimian]

Mmmmmm... accepting my ever-lasting soul as nothing but a pawn in the chess game between good and evil? Nah... the thought just pisses me off :mad:

[Lycanthrope]

I see it's called the occult related crimes unit. Right, I found it. Seems the only member of this elite unit is jonker himself. *EDIT* Ah, they were disbanded...

I found this on the Harmse case - http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20090901125023688C150023

That is absolutely LOL-worthy...:D

The fact that there are people who so steadfastly believe in this kind of rubbish is just... unbelievable.

How it is possible for there, in the 21st century, to be a "specialist" in the crimes of psychologically screwed-up people when that "specialist" is as psychologically screwed-up himself, is beyond me. They're basically just opposite sides of the same screwed-up mindset :confused:

[Human]

I have been lauging too loud and been receiving some odd looks from my colleagues.

[Balstrome]

Mmmmmm... accepting my ever-lasting soul as nothing but a pawn in the chess game between good and evil? Nah... the thought just pisses me off :mad:

No free will, Spanish train?

[noxibox]

You don't start a policing division from scratch, and become a no 1 expert on the field if you have no credentials to speak of.
Kobus Jonker is living proof that this is indeed completely feasible.


you still get real satanists? :confused::confused::confused:
You never did. They only exist in the fantasy world of some christians.


Of course that's what they say, they promise you liberty then you end up fighting for your freedom.
Oh, but I did eventually escape from Christianity.

[DJ...]

I think there was, but the separate unit was closed down nearly a decade ago. Has not stopped the religious crazies in the police force from continuing their campaign. There have been articles in their official newsletter/magazine and there was a lot of occult nonsense on their web site at one time. It all amounted to nothing more than the standard drek about the occult, satanism, witchcraft etc that they typically trotted out when I was at school. Which is pretty much the same rubbish Jonker was spouting in the Harmse trial.

Thanks. I've found one or two pieces about him and he seems like a nutjob this guy. The bloke believes that demons are real and that is why he began the unit, to prevent satanists from conjuring up the demons from hell. His evidence for satanism are posters on walls, candles, ouija boards and black clothing.

Oi, rza - the unit's been disbanded ages ago buddy. You and Good Larf appear to be the liars now. Especially 'ol Good Larf telling us about his buddy who KNOWS about this all. LOL...

[HapticSimian]

No free will, Spanish train?

DAMMIT :mad:

Gotta go dig up me ol' external hdd again! :D

[Balstrome]

I sure it must be a fact of the internet, that 99.9% of all posts are pure ***, but what I want to know is, are religious nuts and CT's the only type of nonsense posters or are there other types. I want something new to nash on.

[Pr⊕phet]

no webpage ?
no articles ?
no cases ?
no info ?

:confused:


You don't start a policing division from scratch, and become a no 1 expert on the field if you have no credentials to speak of.



Your information is wrong. Dr Jonker's team has been solving a lot of satanism related cases for more than a decade. They solved so effectively that satanists tried to kill them on the road, it's there on google. If that division was impotent then it could have been closed a long time ago. If Dr Jonker was impotent as a satanism specialist then he could have never been considered an expert in the field, and asked to give expert statement on the Harmse case.

i'm all most too afraid to ask, but does Dr Jonker have something that is hard linked to him which one can look at; info, cases, studies, data and so on.

[Lycanthrope]

I have summoned a demon before. And dispelled it with the power of God! I own a tarot deck and I like dressing in black.

Do I get paid to solve occult crimes now?

[Dixie]

I know it's not much, but quite a bit of mention of KJ

http://www.vuya.net/?q=node/1160


Also in 2004 SAPRA requested the South African Police Services to remove discriminatory articles from their website (7) on the grounds that these set a dangerous precedent in that they in no way dealt with actual ritualistic crimes committed by criminal individuals, but instead focused on the mythic battle between two ideological belief systems, namely Christianity and Satanism, thereby representing the Occult Related Crime Unit, under the Godly-inspired leadership of Supt Kobus Jonker, as the Christian bulwark against all things Satanic. In contrast to the sharp dismissal of valid objections by Servamus, Superintendent A J Lamprecht, the current Commander of Crime Stop, Occult Related Crimes and Witness Protection, acknowledged the dangerous precedent being set by the SAPS website and the SAPS have subsequently removed all offensive material where requested to do so by SAPRA.

The existing SAPS definition of 'Occult-related Criminal activity' is: "any human conduct that constitutes any legally recognized crime, the modus operandi of which relates to or emanates primarily from any belief or seeming belief in the occult, witchcraft, satanism, mysticism, magic, esotericism and the like." Clearly the SAPS has some way to go before they fulfill the SAPS Code of Conduct which requires that the police "uphold and protect the fundamental rights of every person" and "act impartially". (8) It is important to note here that in January 2001 the SAPS announced that the specialised unit would be dissolved and reorganised into "Organised Crime and Serious Violent Crime Units".

[Good Life]

Oi, rza - the unit's been disbanded ages ago buddy. You and Good Larf appear to be the liars now. Especially 'ol Good Larf telling us about his buddy who KNOWS about this all. LOL...

Another WTF moment.
For some reason you believe i am lying. Yet, you didn't even believe such a unit existed. You're just playing more dumb tricks to satisfy your arrogance and your ignorance.

[Pr⊕phet]

I have summoned a demon before. And dispelled it with the power of God! I own a tarot deck and I like dressing in black.

Do I get paid to solve occult crimes now?

i've some some balors in neverwinter nights does it count ?

[Lycanthrope]

...arrogance and your ignorance...

Bwahahahaha!!!

*cough*

Right.

Moving on....

Anyone notice how Christianity and Anti-Christianity ("Satanism") are basically still parts of the same messed-up belief system? They also seem to perpetuate each other.


i've some some balors in neverwinter nights does it count ?

Now THAT is a sexy beast :D

[rza]

rza - can you explain in your own words what a satanist is, what they worship, why they worship, what their rituals are, why they murder etc etc. Your own words please. Evidently my understanding of satanism is as per Anton LaVey's form of satanism as a religion (sort of)...

Satan and the angels who were reporting to him in heaven rebel against God. God fires them and kick them down to second heaven from third heaven. What I don't know is whether that happened before or after the world as we know it was created. Satan and his angels plots revenge against God and his angels, and the only way they can get revenge against God is by hurting the people God created. So they start recruiting people to join their crusade. These recruited people are used to wage war against God and his trusted people on this world. They do that by corrupting the world with drugs, orgies, murders, etc. They are basically trying to make the world as less governable as possible.

More importantly, satan, his angels and this recruited people are trying to ensure that people go to hell instead of heaven. Since satan and his angels are high ranking officials, they use people to do their work while they order from second heaven. These recruited people are satanists, their work is to fulfill the plans of satan and his angels. They in turn recruit other people without telling them what satanism is all about. So the cycle continues.

Since satanists die, unlike satan and his angels, recruitment processes are very important. That's where satanism's ugly head is evident. They have to recruit to stay afloat, otherwise the angels will have to do the dirty work themselves. Of course you wont' tell people the truth when you recruit them, you'll twist it a lot so satanism can look interesting. That's why new recruits think satanism is no evil, because they have been told so. But that's not gonna last for long. Soon they'll be recruiters, and reality would have sank into their heads. By that time it's already too late. So it goes and on.

[Balstrome]

"any human conduct that constitutes any legally recognized crime, the modus operandi of which relates to or emanates primarily from any belief or seeming belief in the occult, witchcraft, satanism, mysticism, magic, esotericism and the like."

So killing for Jesus, Buddha, FSM, is just a normal murder and not on the occulty edge ?

[rza]

In like human form satanists or bubble-wrapped waiting for earth creation day. Did they get released before or after humans left the garden. They must have been really pissed to wait that long to get released, or was it to marinate them in their evil to bring out the flavour.

There's no question that they were already in existence during the Garden of Eden. But for how long, nobody knows.

[Pr⊕phet]

I know it's not much, but quite a bit of mention of KJ

http://www.vuya.net/?q=node/1160

Also in 2004 SAPRA requested the South African Police Services to remove discriminatory articles from their website (7) on the grounds that these set a dangerous precedent in that they in no way dealt with actual ritualistic crimes committed by criminal individuals, but instead focused on the mythic battle between two ideological belief systems, namely Christianity and Satanism, thereby representing the Occult Related Crime Unit, under the Godly-inspired leadership of Supt Kobus Jonker, as the Christian bulwark against all things Satanic. In contrast to the sharp dismissal of valid objections by Servamus, Superintendent A J Lamprecht, the current Commander of Crime Stop, Occult Related Crimes and Witness Protection, acknowledged the dangerous precedent being set by the SAPS website and the SAPS have subsequently removed all offensive material where requested to do so by SAPRA.

The existing SAPS definition of 'Occult-related Criminal activity' is: "any human conduct that constitutes any legally recognized crime, the modus operandi of which relates to or emanates primarily from any belief or seeming belief in the occult, witchcraft, satanism, mysticism, magic, esotericism and the like." Clearly the SAPS has some way to go before they fulfill the SAPS Code of Conduct which requires that the police "uphold and protect the fundamental rights of every person" and "act impartially". (8) It is important to note here that in January 2001 the SAPS announced that the specialised unit would be dissolved and reorganised into "Organised Crime and Serious Violent Crime Units".

interisting.

[HapticSimian]

So killing for Jesus, Buddha, FSM, is just a normal murder and not on the occulty edge ?

No, that's all fine. Ask the Aztecs... oh, wait...

[Lycanthrope]

Satan and the angels who were reporting to him in heaven rebel against God. God fires them and kick them down to second heaven from third heaven. What I don't know is whether that happened before or after the world as we know it was created. Satan and his angels plots revenge against God and his angels, and the only way they can get revenge against God is by hurting the people God created. So they start recruiting people to join their crusade. These recruited people are used to wage war against God and his trusted people on this world. They do that by corrupting the world with drugs, orgies, murders, etc. They are basically trying to make the world as less governable as possible.

More importantly, satan, his angels and this recruited people are trying to ensure that people go to hell instead of heaven. Since satan and his angels are high ranking officials, they use people to do their work while they order from second heaven. These recruited people are satanists, their work is to fulfill the plans of satan and his angels. They in turn recruit other people without telling them what satanism is all about. So the cycle continues.

Since satanists die, unlike satan and his angels, recruitment processes are very important. That's where satanism's ugly head is evident. They have to recruit to stay afloat, otherwise the angels will have to do the dirty work themselves. Of course you wont' tell people the truth when you recruit them, you'll twist it a lot so satanism can look interesting. That's why new recruits think satanism is no evil, because they have been told so. But that's not gonna last for long. Soon they'll be recruiters, and reality would have sank into their heads. By that time it's already too late. So it goes and on.

Have you read the book entitled, Barney: A Dinosaur Story?

It's based on the same concept.

Really, I'd love to know how you people manage to build these stories up in your heads. Do people around you put down the pieces of the puzzle and then you just fill in the blanks with whatever makes enough sense to you to believe in it?

[DJ...]

Another WTF moment.
For some reason you believe i am lying. Yet, you didn't even believe such a unit existed. You're just playing more dumb tricks to satisfy your arrogance and your ignorance.

Well you either are lying or you surely have to question the integrity of the person who lied to you about this? After all, it no longer exists, however because your buddy said so, you were adamant that it's true, and prepared to throw insult after insult at anyone who disagrees with you.

So what's it gonna be, Junior? Were you telling another fib or are you instead going to have some harsh words for your "buddy" in the SAPS who evidently needs to be informed that there no longer exists a unit of this nature...

[Balstrome]

i've some some balors in neverwinter nights does it count ?

You know what that is going to bring up, 4th edition is the devil's tool.

[rza]

Mmmmmm... accepting my ever-lasting soul as nothing but a pawn in the chess game between good and evil? Nah... the thought just pisses me off :mad:

Unfortunately there's a war going on for your soul, whether you believe it or not. Right now the bad guys have a hold of it, unless you do something about it.

[rza]

The fact that there are people who so steadfastly believe in this kind of rubbish is just... unbelievable.

How it is possible for there, in the 21st century, to be a "specialist" in the crimes of psychologically screwed-up people when that "specialist" is as psychologically screwed-up himself, is beyond me. They're basically just opposite sides of the same screwed-up mindset :confused:

Our legal system that includes some very intelligent people believe what you call rubbish. The question is why can't you believe it when our judges/lawyers/advocates and police people do? Are you afraid to know that you might not be in control of your life?

[HapticSimian]

Unfortunately there's a war going on for your soul, whether you believe it or not. Right now the bad guys have a hold of it, unless you do something about it.

Okey dokey. Now that I have it on the infallible authority of rza, the saviour of myBB-dom, I repent. Seriously? And end up with the same twisted take on existence as you? Thanks for the offer, though...

[Lycanthrope]

Unfortunately there's a war going on for your soul, whether you believe it or not. Right now the bad guys have a hold of it, unless you do something about it.

You know, I've been praying for YEARS for God to show me the light, for Jesus to baptise me in His Holy Radiance. And yet, here I am, still laughing at people like you. Ironic, isn't it?

And really, I still can't find the ability within me to fathom how people can be so utterly without reason.

[rza]

Kobus Jonker is living proof that this is indeed completely feasible.

You never did. They only exist in the fantasy world of some christians.

Oh, but I did eventually escape from Christianity.

Then you will have to admit that our legal custodians are not as smart as we think they are, if they believe people like Jonker and actually make him an expert.

[Balstrome]

Unfortunately there's a war going on for your soul, whether you believe it or not. Right now the bad guys have a hold of it, unless you do something about it.

That is if there really is such a thing as a soul. Anyway what weak minded demon, has to fall back on stealing by trickery a soul, knowing full well that the owner of the soul, does not truly believe in his existence. It would be like eating food that has just started to go off, always leaving a bad taste in one's mouth and stomach, for all eternity.

[rza]

Thanks. I've found one or two pieces about him and he seems like a nutjob this guy. The bloke believes that demons are real and that is why he began the unit, to prevent satanists from conjuring up the demons from hell. His evidence for satanism are posters on walls, candles, ouija boards and black clothing.

Oi, rza - the unit's been disbanded ages ago buddy. You and Good Larf appear to be the liars now. Especially 'ol Good Larf telling us about his buddy who KNOWS about this all. LOL...

The division is disbanded but the work still continues.

[Lycanthrope]

Our legal system that includes some very intelligent people believe what you call rubbish. The question is why can't you believe it when our judges/lawyers/advocates and police people do? Are you afraid to know that you might not be in control of your life?

rofl... Symbolism /= reason. Nice try though.

And I'm not in control of my own life. I will die eventually due to things I cannot control. "Control" has nothing to do with it. Again, nice try though.

[Pr⊕phet]

You know what that is going to bring up, 4th edition is the devil's tool.

not sure if i like the 4th edition though their online dungeon client looks like fun thinking back to fantasy grounds.

i used to GM a lot the 3rd edition....

[Balstrome]

Then you will have to admit that our legal custodians are not as smart as we think they are, if they believe people like Jonker and actually make him an expert.

Judge Motata?

[rza]

no webpage ?
no articles ?
no cases ?
no info ?

:confused:

Not everybody has a website, I know me and you don't.
There are articles, google them.
I don't remember police publishing their cases?

[HapticSimian]

Judge Motata?

No, no... he's a clown. Hlope...

[Pr⊕phet]

Not everybody has a website, I know me and you don't.
There are articles, google them.
I don't remember police publishing their cases?

been trying that for the last hour
http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=Dr+%22Jonker+Jacobus%22&start=10&sa=N

no luck het

[Good Life]

Well you either are lying or you surely have to question the integrity of the person who lied to you about this? After all, it no longer exists, however because your buddy said so, you were adamant that it's true, and prepared to throw insult after insult at anyone who disagrees with you.

So what's it gonna be, Junior? Were you telling another fib or are you instead going to have some harsh words for your "buddy" in the SAPS who evidently needs to be informed that there no longer exists a unit of this nature...

I was not lying. Neither was my police friend.

[Pr⊕phet]

Satan and the angels who were reporting to him in heaven rebel against God. God fires them and kick them down to second heaven from third heaven. What I don't know is whether that happened before or after the world as we know it was created. Satan and his angels plots revenge against God and his angels, and the only way they can get revenge against God is by hurting the people God created. So they start recruiting people to join their crusade. These recruited people are used to wage war against God and his trusted people on this world. They do that by corrupting the world with drugs, orgies, murders, etc. They are basically trying to make the world as less governable as possible.

More importantly, satan, his angels and this recruited people are trying to ensure that people go to hell instead of heaven. Since satan and his angels are high ranking officials, they use people to do their work while they order from second heaven. These recruited people are satanists, their work is to fulfill the plans of satan and his angels. They in turn recruit other people without telling them what satanism is all about. So the cycle continues.

Since satanists die, unlike satan and his angels, recruitment processes are very important. That's where satanism's ugly head is evident. They have to recruit to stay afloat, otherwise the angels will have to do the dirty work themselves. Of course you wont' tell people the truth when you recruit them, you'll twist it a lot so satanism can look interesting. That's why new recruits think satanism is no evil, because they have been told so. But that's not gonna last for long. Soon they'll be recruiters, and reality would have sank into their heads. By that time it's already too late. So it goes and on.

cool so that is the fall described now what do you think is a modern satanist ?


"the fall" from another pov.

-my apologies for the rocket posts a head :D

certian parts my be offence to some of the believers, though this does make up for some interisting reading and debatable points in context and not just some anti-X arguments



Low in a corner of admirable aesthetic,
Far outweighing in value
Those chairs decorous and ostentatious,
Constructed by elite kings and arrogant sky gods,
Satan lounged relaxedly,
Enjoying the company of the Lord of Dung and Flies.

A child of Uranus, Beelzeboul was the best
Of the New Brood,
His unique excretial and symbiotic qualities
Affirming a dedication and honor
Unsurpassed amidst the Infernal Horde.

Of late, the God of This World had lamented
A distinct lack of excitement,
Less challenges arising
With the encrustation and cooling,
The lovely luminal oscillation and revolution
About a blossoming eruption of heat and light
Into nothingness.

Attentively observing an abundant animation,
Even the development of Anthropos
Had become a commonplace,
Grindingly-slow parasite,
Strewn with a latent capacity
For technik and reflection.

Scratching behind a hoof,
Old Hairy expressed amusement at news
That an extra-terrestrial interloper
Was said to be rallying the host of the heavens,
And some named him "the High God" and "Our Father".

"How delightful! A means to thin the herd!"
And yet the demondim were agitated,
Their amusements and extravagances
Disrupted by the infiltrations of vascillating celestials.

Forever during the Consolidation had they been untroubled
By such interference; the host of the heavens
Respectful in its grand obsession with the Vacuum,
And the colorful stellae arranged on its brink.

The Dunglord explained that this rebel was a
Tribal tyrant from the furthest reaches,
Given authority on account of his previous remove.

Not only this, but it appeared the newcomer
Was fond of stasis, deception and enslavement,
Accusing others likewise and absorbing latent power
By yoking together what they called a 'Council'
Where he used his magic to charm and dominate.

"This I must see!" exclaimed Mastema.
So an entourage formed and the great distances
Between the Underworld
(Which all know to be as far from the heavenly host as possible)
And the Sky Council (sod) were traversed.

Disguised as messengers from the Seventh Heaven,
The Prince of the Aerial Powers
Arrived during an auspicious moment.

The Council Chieftain, being aglow
In the exaltation of his first born,
Didst have in mind a Grand Hierarchy.

"This day I take great pride in declaring
My only son, and in this holy hall
Have I anointed him, whom ye now behold.
At my right hand, as your Head I appoint,
And by my self have sworn to him that all knees
Shall bow, and shall confess him Lord."

As the Council commenced the kowtow,
It became apparent that there was a faction
Composed of timbre and power
Whose likeness measured the equal of,
Or indeed surpassed, the one called "Most High".

The blustery Michael, seized by a fit of rage,
Demanded acquiescence and explanation.

Then didst the Great Accuser,
Favoring the impetuous stellae with kindly attentions,
Smile and perforce deliver
A speech most eloquent and disturbing:

"What manner of godliness this?
To demand submission without condition,
To subordinate power to an half-pint upstart,
To dictate on high a slavery complete,
Without knowing and testing the authority thereof?
Wherefore is the sense in you celestial invaders,
That you submit your necks
And choose to bend the supple knee?"

At this of course there was a great commotion,
The spell of the Tetragrammaton
Partially unwoven, unravelled.

The luminous herd now divided,
Cleaving High and Low, and that Between.

A mad scramble indicated preparations for battle,
Michael beating his breast brutishly,
With shining, ferocious eyes.

Yet the Most High, his face purplish with outrage,
Quieted them somewhat
With a demonstration of temperance.

"You are mine to command!" he shouted,
Apparently mistaking Belial for his lackey.

"Thou wilt obey the Throne Supreme,
Lest Our Anger be unleashed,
Your insubordination squelched!"

With horror and envy at the
Potent resistance to his domination,
The Chieftain stood aghast
As this renegade mal'ak,
Semyaza, again addressed the Council:

"Know you not your true heritage?
Be ye instructed therefore.
We were self-begot, self-raised,
Our puissance is our own,
Our own right hand
Shall teach us of the best deeds.
By proof try who is our equal!"

At this the warfare ensued,
Ho Satanas joining the rebels
Who were intent upon a complete victory.

The venture deemed a complete success,
Old Nick took leave,
Providing directions and guides to
Those who subsequently sought refuge.

The heavenly host soon discovered the ruse,
Yet that day nearly half the celestial ranks
Abandoned the tyrannical Chieftain god
In favor of the Subterranean rebels.

Still the precious Gate of Death
Held aloof the astral adversaries,
Their aperturic abyss an ever-lengthening entry
For any not invited to the Lower World
Or winning through in transformative ordeal.

The Father god, stupendously upstaged
And jealous at the power of the Evil One,
Brooded with his archon-angelos,
Each suggesting grandiose schemes
Of deception or counter-assault.

Until the tyrant's son,
Incited by the Father to salvage his reputation,
Volunteered to attempt a breach of the Gate
With a method heretofore untried and dangerous.

Mustering his courage and securing the aid
Of his Father's most charming archon,
He selected a human woman on Earth
And, using his godly power,
Raped her, seeding himself inside her womb.

The archon's charm effecting her willing cooperation,
Mary was disposed to the care of the god.

A "miraculous" pregnancy,
The birth was presaged by stellar phenomena
And accompanied by wondrous signs
Made possible by the son's accomplices.

To news of all this, Mephisto expressed delight.
"Let us play along, this travesty undoes the tyrant!"

With the Devil making offerings to Yeheshua
By which neither the Gate be breached
Nor the impending tragedy avoided,
The common tale (much exaggerated!) unfolded.

The people, disturbed by the troublesome godson,
Made an example and seized the actuality and symbol
Of the dying god as salvation.

Yeheshua being what he was, proceeded through the Gate,
Both unaware of the immense joke played at his expense
And content to have won his way into the Underworld.

Here he was met by several of his former associates,
Welcomed as a hero for turning humans toward atheism,
And finally converted from the harsh ways of his Father
To something more pastoral,
Simultaneously protecting the Earth
And setting the stage for the maturation of Anthropos.

The Hordes of Hell rejoiced,
The Father of Lies congratulated him,
And the petty tyrant departed for other worlds.

Red-Letter Edition Gospel (http://www.gospel-of-satan.com/)

[rza]

You know, I've been praying for YEARS for God to show me the light, for Jesus to baptise me in His Holy Radiance. And yet, here I am, still laughing at people like you. Ironic, isn't it?

And really, I still can't find the ability within me to fathom how people can be so utterly without reason.

I'll help you pray as well, and He will show you the light and baptize you with His Holy Spirit.

[Dixie]

Rza. Where can I read-up on the tiers (levels) of heaven?

[Lycanthrope]

rza, Good Life and the like. I'm waiting. Show me your God! Show me your Satan!!! PRAY FOR ME!!!

You will argue and argue. You will twist reason and logic to suit your own ends, but you will never get on your knees and pray for those who don't believe, to let God show us the light! I'm waiting!!!

Ages ago a brilliant soul as dense as you came long. Internet Junkie. Later he changed his alias to The Cosmos. I humoured him. I prayed to God. I prayed to Satan. And neither revealed themselves, neither damned me, saved me or molested me under the cover of darkness. I mentioned this to the brilliant soul, but he didn't believe me ;)

So humour me, rza. Pray for me :)

[DJ...]

Satan and the angels who were reporting to him in heaven rebel against God. God fires them and kick them down to second heaven from third heaven. What I don't know is whether that happened before or after the world as we know it was created. Satan and his angels plots revenge against God and his angels, and the only way they can get revenge against God is by hurting the people God created. So they start recruiting people to join their crusade. These recruited people are used to wage war against God and his trusted people on this world. They do that by corrupting the world with drugs, orgies, murders, etc. They are basically trying to make the world as less governable as possible.

More importantly, satan, his angels and this recruited people are trying to ensure that people go to hell instead of heaven. Since satan and his angels are high ranking officials, they use people to do their work while they order from second heaven. These recruited people are satanists, their work is to fulfill the plans of satan and his angels. They in turn recruit other people without telling them what satanism is all about. So the cycle continues.

Since satanists die, unlike satan and his angels, recruitment processes are very important. That's where satanism's ugly head is evident. They have to recruit to stay afloat, otherwise the angels will have to do the dirty work themselves. Of course you wont' tell people the truth when you recruit them, you'll twist it a lot so satanism can look interesting. That's why new recruits think satanism is no evil, because they have been told so. But that's not gonna last for long. Soon they'll be recruiters, and reality would have sank into their heads. By that time it's already too late. So it goes and on.

LOLZORZ - thanks for this. do you write novels? Obviously you'd need a very good editor with a lot of patience, but you should seriously consider it - you have a very good imagination.

So let me get this straight though - earlier you stated that satanists have been around for billions of year. But now you backtrack and state that you're not sure if satan turned on god before or after the earth was created (6000 years ago)? Hmmm.

But that aside. I'm curious about these other heavens - how many are there exactly, and why the need for different ones? Does it depend on where the marker ends on your personal "goodness" scale at the pearly gates?

BTW - I've been involved in a few threesomes before (the cool kind). Does that mean I've been corrupted by satan. Oh, and the drugs thing - been there, done that too. I've also got a tattoo on my back of a cartooned version of the devil holding a pitchfork, stoking a fire - does that mean my tattoo artist was a satanist and I've been secretly admitted into satanism?

Lastly - if satan's worshippers die, and this is a problem, why does he not just make them immortal? I mean the dude's evidently got some serious superpowers of his own, considering what you've posted.

Enlighten me. I fear I may have been worshipping satan all this time and it sounds like you know what you're talking about. Help me. What do I do?

[Lycanthrope]

I'll help you pray as well, and He will show you the light and baptize you with His Holy Spirit.

Thank you :) I just can't imagine life without His Holy Spirit drooling over my blessed soul :)

[Pr⊕phet]

Rza. Where can I read-up on the tiers (levels) of heaven?

can try
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_spheres_of_heaven

[rza]

That is if there really is such a thing as a soul. Anyway what weak minded demon, has to fall back on stealing by trickery a soul, knowing full well that the owner of the soul, does not truly believe in his existence. It would be like eating food that has just started to go off, always leaving a bad taste in one's mouth and stomach, for all eternity.

You will have to realise that you don't much control of your life, that's why demons can take over your life.

[Pr⊕phet]

You will have to realise that you don't much control of your life, that's why demons can take over your life.

so that is what is breaking my programs, ****ing demons ! :mad::mad: they make me loos control over my code ! :mad::mad:

[Good Life]

rza, Good Life and the like. I'm waiting. Show me your God! Show me your Satan!!! PRAY FOR ME!!!

You will argue and argue. You will twist reason and logic to suit your own ends, but you will never get on your knees and pray for those who don't believe, to let God show us the light! I'm waiting!!!

Ages ago a brilliant soul as dense as you came long. Internet Junkie. Later he changed his alias to The Cosmos. I humoured him. I prayed to God. I prayed to Satan. And neither revealed themselves, neither damned me, saved me or molested me under the cover of darkness. I mentioned this to the brilliant soul, but he didn't believe me ;)

So humour me, rza. Pray for me :)

For someone who just joined the conversation you certainly have a mouth. By the way, anything religious/spiritual will never work when you have skepticism at the back of your head.

[Lycanthrope]

so that is what is breaking my programs, ****ing demons ! :mad::mad: they make me loos control over my code ! :mad::mad:

See? I knew it as well! Although, I called them gremlins. Now I know what they really are!!!!

rza, I'm still waiting for my revelation.

[Lycanthrope]

For someone who just joined the conversation you certainly have a mouth. By the way, anything religious/spiritual will never work when you have skepticism at the back of your head.

OMG! So... I ... need to ... believe???? IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!

[Good Life]

OMG! So... I ... need to ... believe???? IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!

Wrong again. :rolleyes:

[Lycanthrope]

Wrong again. :rolleyes:


For someone who just joined the conversation you certainly have a mouth. By the way, anything religious/spiritual will never work when you have skepticism at the back of your head.

Really?

I'm wrong?


# S: (adj) disbelieving, skeptical, sceptical, unbelieving (denying or questioning the tenets of especially a religion) "a skeptical approach to the nature of miracles"

Source: Princeton (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sceptical)

So, if it's not the lack of belief? What is it??? :rolleyes: :eek: :eek:

[DJ...]

By the way, anything religious/spiritual will never work when you have skepticism at the back of your head.

And this my friends, is how the con works...

[rza]

Rza. Where can I read-up on the tiers (levels) of heaven?

I got this from http://www.carm.org/christianity/bible/what-does-it-mean-when-bible-refers-third-heaven:

What does it mean when the Bible refers to the Third Heaven?
At the time of ancient Israel they did not have as complete an understanding of the universe as we do today. So they wrote in terms they were familiar with. The Jews spoke of three heavens. The first heaven consisted of the the earth atmosphere where the clouds and birds were. The second heaven was where the sun, stars, and moon was. The third heaven was the dwelling place of God. When Paul said he was caught up to the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2), he was referring to the very dwelling place of God.

As a note, the Mormons erringly teach that the three heavens consist of telestial, terrestrial, and celestial. They divide them into compartments dwelt by people after they die.

The First Heaven: Earth Atmosphere

Deut. 11:17 -- Then the LORD's anger will burn against you, and he will shut the heavens so that it will not rain and the ground will yield no produce....
Deut. 28:12 -- The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands.
Judges 5:4 -- "O LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the land of Edom, the earth shook, the heavens poured, the clouds poured down water.
Acts 14:17 -- "Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons;...
The Second Heaven: Outer Space

Psalm 19:4,6 -- In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun... It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other;...
Jeremiah 8:2 -- They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens which they have loved and served....
Isaiah 13:10 -- The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light.
The Third Heaven: God's Dwelling Place

1 Kings 8:30 (phrase repeated numerous times in following verses) -- then hear from heaven, your dwelling place...
Psalm 2:4 -- The One enthroned in heaven laughs; The LORD scoffs at them.
Matthew 5:16 -- In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
The highest heaven, the third heaven is indicated by the reference to the Throne of God being the highest heaven:

1 Kings 8:27 -- "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you.
Deut. 10:14 -- To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.

[HapticSimian]

[popcorn musing]

Fascinating how Good Larf & rza will side with each-other because their angles (should that be angels?) intersect for one argument. That notwithstanding the fact they'd consider each-other loons...

[/popcorn musing]

[rza]

rza, Good Life and the like. I'm waiting. Show me your God! Show me your Satan!!! PRAY FOR ME!!!

You will argue and argue. You will twist reason and logic to suit your own ends, but you will never get on your knees and pray for those who don't believe, to let God show us the light! I'm waiting!!!

Ages ago a brilliant soul as dense as you came long. Internet Junkie. Later he changed his alias to The Cosmos. I humoured him. I prayed to God. I prayed to Satan. And neither revealed themselves, neither damned me, saved me or molested me under the cover of darkness. I mentioned this to the brilliant soul, but he didn't believe me ;)

So humour me, rza. Pray for me :)

I'm gonna pray for you to be saved, and you will be.

[Pr⊕phet]

For someone who just joined the conversation you certainly have a mouth. By the way, anything religious/spiritual will never work when you have skepticism at the back of your head.

lies, taking in money for the church works with having doubts :p:D

[undesign]

I know it's not much, but quite a bit of mention of KJ

http://www.vuya.net/?q=node/1160

Well, he should stop wasting he's time chasing the roughly 200 sick f***os that drink cat's blood and only wear black (they same ones our parents used to scare us from listening to music in the 80's) and focus on the new scourge of christianity - Atheism!

Maybe the Atheist and Agnostic Related Crimes Unit? (AARCU - has a nice occultish ring to it:p) ? Rza obviously qualifies as an expert.

:)

[Balstrome]

For someone who just joined the conversation you certainly have a mouth. By the way, anything religious/spiritual will never work when you have scepticism at the back of your head.


Yes, rational though and reason are really bad things to have when it comes to belief.

[Lycanthrope]

I'm gonna pray for you to be saved, and you will be.

*scratches ass*

Thanks. I'll be waiting.


And this my friends, is how the con works...

Yup. I'm starting to see why trolls enjoy trolling. Wonder if I should make it a habit? >:3

[Good Life]

And this my friends, is how the con works...

And this is why you will never ever understand the spiritual world/religious world, because you have no grasp of it whatsoever, and in turn you call it a con. Your mind really is messing with you! :eek:

[Pr⊕phet]

See? I knew it as well! Although, I called them gremlins. Now I know what they really are!!!!

rza, I'm still waiting for my revelation.

well i almost cried this morning have to struggle with some DCOM and office automation via the good olde OLB's...

[Good Life]

[popcorn musing]

Fascinating how Good Larf & rza will side with each-other because their angles (should that be angels?) intersect for one argument. That notwithstanding the fact they'd consider each-other loons...

[/popcorn musing]

The spiritual and religous worlds overlap.

[Lycanthrope]

And this is why you will never ever understand the spiritual world/religious world, because you have no grasp of it whatsoever, and in turn you call it a con. Your mind really is messing with you! :eek:

Kinda like how yours goes around in circles?

/whips out Freddie Mercury, "I want to break freeeee!!!"

*bops head a bit*

[Balstrome]

Maybe the Atheist and Agnostic Related Crimes Unit? (AARCU - has a nice occultish ring to it:p) ? Rza obviously qualifies as an expert.

:)

Except there is not much crime coming from that group to warrant a special task force being created.

[Dixie]

I got this from http://www.carm.org/christianity/bible/what-does-it-mean-when-bible-refers-third-heaven:

Thank you.

[Good Life]

Kinda like how yours goes around in circles?

/whips out Freddie Mercury, "I want to break freeeee!!!"

*bops head a bit*

Yes, please get free from your mind. It's the great coyote.

[HapticSimian]

The spiritual and religous worlds overlap.

Yup, they're both the realm of the 'I need to feel special' folk.

[DJ...]

I'm gonna pray for you to be saved, and you will be.

I'm taking bets on this one. 10,000 to 1 rza fails...

[Human]

WAHAHAHAHA!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I'm gonna pray for you to be saved, and you will be.

me to?

[Dixie]

I'm taking bets on this one. 10,000 to 1 rza fails...

...err, should it not be the other way around? :erm:

[Dixie]

me to?

I'll take this one :D

[Lycanthrope]

Yes, please get free from your mind. It's the great coyote.


# S: (n) coyote, prairie wolf, brush wolf, Canis latrans (small wolf native to western North America)
# S: (n) coyote (someone who smuggles illegal immigrants into the United States (usually across the Mexican border))
# S: (n) coyote (a forest fire fighter who is sent to battle remote and severe forest fires (often for days at a time))

:confused:

*howl?*

I like my mind where it is, thanks. Keeps me sane :)


I'm taking bets on this one. 10,000 to 1 rza fails...

Am I allowed to bet too? :p

[Balstrome]

Don't waste your prayers on them, rather give an amputee a present and pray for their limbs to regrow, then maybe we will believe you.

[rza]

LOLZORZ - thanks for this. do you write novels? Obviously you'd need a very good editor with a lot of patience, but you should seriously consider it - you have a very good imagination.

So let me get this straight though - earlier you stated that satanists have been around for billions of year. But now you backtrack and state that you're not sure if satan turned on god before or after the earth was created (6000 years ago)? Hmmm.

But that aside. I'm curious about these other heavens - how many are there exactly, and why the need for different ones? Does it depend on where the marker ends on your personal "goodness" scale at the pearly gates?

BTW - I've been involved in a few threesomes before (the cool kind). Does that mean I've been corrupted by satan. Oh, and the drugs thing - been there, done that too. I've also got a tattoo on my back of a cartooned version of the devil holding a pitchfork, stoking a fire - does that mean my tattoo artist was a satanist and I've been secretly admitted into satanism?

Lastly - if satan's worshippers die, and this is a problem, why does he not just make them immortal? I mean the dude's evidently got some serious superpowers of his own, considering what you've posted.

Enlighten me. I fear I may have been worshipping satan all this time and it sounds like you know what you're talking about. Help me. What do I do?

Satan and his angels have been God's angels for a very long time (maybe trillions of years for all we know), but we don't exactly for how long but we do know that it's before the earth was created.

I pasted something on tiers of heaven.

Of course you have been corrupted by satan, but the bible mentions something very interesting. It implies that you have a built-in desire to be corrupted by satan. Even if you wanted not to be corrupted by satan, you will still find it difficult not to. So basically you are a slave to satan, because you can't rescue yourself from him. Even when you don't want to engage in sin you still do, because yours is a slavery life. You know the dangers of sin, yet even though you are an intelligent man you still do it. Only a slave can do that.

I can assure you that its impossible for you to rescue yourself from satan. As such you need Jesus' help. Only He can rescue you from your slavery.

[Lycanthrope]

Of course you have been corrupted by satan, but the bible mentions something very interesting. It implies that you have a built-in desire to be corrupted by satan.

Translation: You have a built-in desire to think for yourself?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I'll take this one :D

oh no!:eek:

[Vinia]

I find it supremely funny that Satanists, by all definitions, need to also believe that there is a God.

DO NOT read the following if you have a sensitive constitution:

At first I lolled heartily & rolled my eyes at the quoted text below. But I do recall sometime last year there was an episode about witchcraft 7 alleged satanism in townships, on the magazine programme Motswako on SABC 2. It had people in an uproar. One of the people interviewed was a witchdoctor who paid people in the community to collect blood & body parts for muti, from fresh car accident scenes /barf barf barf/ I don't know so much about satanists causing car accidents anymore than they cause the finale of Survivor not to be aired - but there is something there about them collecting things from dead people.


The worst works of satanism are seen in our roads, through accidents they cause. A friend of mine said she was leaving Pochefstroom on sunday night and she saw two very bad accident on the N12. While driving she saw a woman carrying a baby, but she disappeared within a second. I was surprised that she thought she was a witch, as I expected to be the one to say that. Of course I have met satanists on the roads, so I know what she was referrin to.

[HapticSimian]

You know the dangers of sin, yet even though you are an intelligent man you still do it. Only a slave can do that.

I can assure you that its impossible for you to rescue yourself from satan. As such you need Jesus' help. Only He can rescue you from your slavery.

So your watchmaker created a bunch of mindless slaves for evil, so he can step in on an ego trip and 'save' them? Thanks, big guy.

[Good Life]

Yup, they're both the realm of the 'I need to feel special' folk.

Another great misconception. Spiritual people neither feel more special nor less special than any other folk.

[Balstrome]

To the experts, What is your satan's ultimate goal, if he manages to win in the end?

[DJ...]

Satan and his angels have been God's angels for a very long time (maybe trillions of years for all we know), but we don't exactly for how long but we do know that it's before the earth was created.

But...but...but...you stated that you were unsure whether it was before or after the earth was created in your previous post. Now you state that it's certainly before. Damn - they're not kidding when they say god works in mysterious ways.


I can assure you that its impossible for you to rescue yourself from satan. As such you need Jesus' help. Only He can rescue you from your slavery.

Well that's gonna be a problem for me. I have golf on Sunday...

[DJ...]

Another great misconception. Spiritual people neither feel more special nor less special than any other folk.

Don't worry junior - you're very special...

[DJ...]

I find it supremely funny that Satanists, by all definitions, need to also believe that there is a God.

DO NOT read the following if you have a sensitive constitution:

At first I lolled heartily & rolled my eyes at the quoted text below. But I do recall sometime last year there was an episode about witchcraft 7 alleged satanism in townships, on the magazine programme Motswako on SABC 2. It had people in an uproar. One of the people interviewed was a witchdoctor who paid people in the community to collect blood & body parts for muti, from fresh car accident scenes /barf barf barf/ I don't know so much about satanists causing car accidents anymore than they cause the finale of Survivor not to be aired - but there is something there about them collecting things from dead people.

I think you're getting mightily confused between traditional tribal witchdoctors and satanism...

[Good Life]

To the experts, What is your satan's ultimate goal, if he manages to win in the end?

i'm nowhere near expert, i know a little, but i would imagine, in the same veign as skeletor (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Crater/5874/skeletor.jpg) :D

[Good Life]

Don't worry junior - you're very special...

Misconception no. 2 :D

[porn$tar]

Well that's gonna be a problem for me. I have golf on Sunday...

Golf is the Devil's tool! The bastard won't let me get my swing right, so I have to keep at it and my salvation suffers! woe is me...