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TV license fees to be scrapped (http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/10257.html)
New Public Service Broadcasting Bill calls for the scrapping of television license fees
snail
30-10-2009, 10:09 AM
finally.....it's about time
lcbxx
30-10-2009, 10:09 AM
Well it makes sense to scrap it since with the DTT switchover, you won't be able to watch TV unless the SABC knows about you and your equipment, and de-scrambles the signal for your set-top box.
timgaul
30-10-2009, 10:10 AM
Well it makes sense to scrap it since with the DTT switchover, you won't be able to watch TV unless the SABC knows about you and your equipment, and de-scrambles the signal for your set-top box.
Or you could use DSTv without the fscking useless SABC channels.
But I decided to scrap TV License fees 10 years ago. :D:D:D
davemc
30-10-2009, 10:11 AM
Hilarious!
Now, when you get that letter/sms/phone call of demand, you can say: You're going to be out of a job soon.
Gaz{M}
30-10-2009, 10:17 AM
This will save millions in admin and processing.
They should get the money from VAT, since just about everyone watches TV at some point or owns a TV. There is no reason to keep track of individuals.
Saajid
30-10-2009, 10:22 AM
Haven't read the article as yet, I just came to say
YAYYYYYY!!!!.
/me clicks the back button to read what the article is actually about.
Pilgrim
30-10-2009, 10:23 AM
So now I am going to be funding the useless SABC indirectly via my TAX, VAT, etc?
Socialism, here we go.
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 10:23 AM
Hallelujah!
ToxicBunny
30-10-2009, 10:24 AM
about fscking time....
Nerfherder
30-10-2009, 10:25 AM
So now I am going to be funding the useless SABC indirectly via my TAX, VAT, etc?
Socialism, here we go.
1st world here we go...
stormwalkerza
30-10-2009, 10:26 AM
Now no tv license required for a large lcd screen for pc use ... stupid that they made the vendors do so in the first place when it had no tuner to begin with ...
Saajid
30-10-2009, 10:26 AM
Dear staff writer, this paragraph makes no sense to me:
Bad news for people without TV licenses is that existing TV licenses will remain valid, and therefore payable, until the end of the financial year when the new broadcasting act comes into force. Money owed to the SABC in terms of TV licenses will also remain valid until fully paid up.
I don't have a TV license, and never had one. So how is this bad news for me?
murraybiscuit
30-10-2009, 10:29 AM
about time.
no more banal ads encouraging you to 'do the right thing'
what kind of a business strategy is that?
looks like nyanda is doing his job and using his brain.
bekdik
30-10-2009, 10:30 AM
Bad news for people without TV licenses is that existing TV licenses will remain valid, and therefore payable, until the end of the financial year when the new broadcasting act comes into force. Money owed to the SABC in terms of TV licenses will also remain valid until fully paid up.
Huh? If I don't have a TV license, then it isn't payable, or am I missing something?
While I certainly support the scrapping of the direct licence fee tax, this just means the wasteful spending will come via other taxes.
The only acceptable solution is to shut the SABC down.
are we about to see a snowy day in hell? :)
dj_jyno
30-10-2009, 10:35 AM
YAY! No more attorneys' letters to dead people.
While I certainly support the scrapping of the direct licence fee tax, this just means the wasteful spending will come via other taxes.
The only acceptable solution is to shut the SABC down.
+1
manesan
30-10-2009, 10:36 AM
Huh? If I don't have a TV license, then it isn't payable, or am I missing something?
I think its a case of if you get caught between now and when this ruling takes effect, you will still be liable.
Ivork
30-10-2009, 10:39 AM
I hope they have not spent millions developing a set top box for the digital TV that requires CAMS and smartcards to descramble / scramble a non paid up license if there isn't going to be a license and it's free to all in anyevent.....(and making them double the price that they should be.)
Curtix2
30-10-2009, 10:43 AM
So now I am going to be funding the useless SABC indirectly via my TAX, VAT, etc?
Socialism, here we go.Exactly - You pay reguardless of actually using the service, and everyone is cheering!
:D
narf23
30-10-2009, 10:45 AM
Now no tv license required for a large lcd screen for pc use ... stupid that they made the vendors do so in the first place when it had no tuner to begin with ...
I agree - some larger corporate companies have over 100 Large LCDs connected to PCs for live company information. This will be a huge yearly cost saving:)
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 10:49 AM
... and I get the satisfaction of having paid annually for the last 14 years. :D
nuts to all you "pirate viewers" :p
watching without a TV license is THEFT!!! :mad:
Penquin
30-10-2009, 10:51 AM
Yay no more TV licence!! :D AFAIK, you never needed a TV Licence for monitors without tuners...
edit: WOOT Century Post :D
Joy-Energiser
30-10-2009, 10:52 AM
"Communications Minister Siphiwe Nyanda has previously employed a special task team to advise him on the optimum funding model for the SABC’s public and commercial broadcasting services. "
Lol, these idiots never cease to amaze me with new ridiculous ways to waste our money!
One minister says to another minister "Hey Siphiwe,hows your schedule looking this weekend? Shall we go waste our tax payers money at a Hotel?"
Siphiwe "I have no idea, wait let me set up a 'special task team ' to investigate the matter, because god knows I'm too incompetent to do it myself."
... and I get the satisfaction of having paid annually for the last 14 years. :D
nuts to all you "pirate viewers" :p
watching without a TV license is THEFT!!! :mad:
Cry me a river.
alf101
30-10-2009, 10:55 AM
TV license fees to be scrapped (http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/10257.html)
New Public Service Broadcasting Bill calls for the scrapping of television license fees
Scrap your license.
It's the right thing to do.
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 10:58 AM
Cry me a river.
Boo Hoo... sucker :D
deweyzeph
30-10-2009, 11:04 AM
I unilaterally scrapped tv licences years ago when I decided to never buy one.
... and I get the satisfaction of having paid annually for the last 14 years. :D
nuts to all you "pirate viewers" :p
watching without a TV license is THEFT!!! :mad:
No, you've got it the wrong way around, requiring a TV licence in the first place is theft. The SABC should be made to pay back all the money it's stolen from TV licence payers over the years, with interest.
I don't require a licence for my toaster and I certainly don't expect to pay for one for my TV.
davemc
30-10-2009, 11:04 AM
Does this mean that government is admitting that perhaps it was NOT - The right thing to do?
Kekekekekekekeke
But, now we're all going to be paying for TV Licenses whether we use Sentech's services or not.
tjunyat
30-10-2009, 11:10 AM
But, now we're all going to be paying for TV Licenses whether we use Sentech's services or not.
Well, as long as you're paying taxes etc anyways, which as we all know, large portions of the population aren't paying. Similarly for electricity, water, various other services.
Good news on not having to pay for channels we don't watch anyway though, i.e. crappy SABC rubbish!
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 11:12 AM
I don't require a licence for my toaster and I certainly don't expect to pay for one for my TV.
Your toaster is very entertaining then? :D
Personally, I prefer watching the microwave.... droool.
deweyzeph
30-10-2009, 11:13 AM
Well it makes sense to scrap it since with the DTT switchover, you won't be able to watch TV unless the SABC knows about you and your equipment, and de-scrambles the signal for your set-top box.
I've had digital tv in the UK and they use equipment that doesn't require any decoding.
deweyzeph
30-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Your toaster is very entertaining then? :D
Personally, I prefer watching the microwave.... droool.
Haha, it can be! However I don't pay a licence fee to the bakeries so that I can toast bread in it, on top of having to pay for the bread too. Which is kind of the situation that DSTV subscribers are finding themselves in at the moment with a TV licence.
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 11:19 AM
maybe we better shut up, before someone in Parliament sees a new way to tax us :sick:
davemc
30-10-2009, 11:19 AM
<snip>Good news on not having to pay for channels we don't watch anyway though, i.e. crappy SABC rubbish!Nope, you're still paying for those.
Even if you go TV-Less, you'll still be paying for those.
Sensorei
30-10-2009, 11:19 AM
The trick when buying a TV is to take someone elses TV license to the shop, say their TV died, and you are buying them a gift. That's what I did (took my mom's license) and said it was a birthday gift. FSCK the SABC! I only use my TV for DVDs and my multimedia player.
MFour
30-10-2009, 11:20 AM
So now I am going to be funding the useless SABC indirectly via my TAX, VAT, etc?
Socialism, here we go.
Agreed. They are introducing socialism in such a way to make the anti-communist/socialist say things like "yay finally", just interesting to see how few people realise what it is they are celebrating about. ;)
telkomreallysux
30-10-2009, 11:23 AM
Dah, they've finally figured out they that can screw us more at less cost using tax payers money, even people without a tv.
That way government can enjoy watching their own propaganda and other useless crap even more. Seeing as the staff at the ANCBC do f'all all day, they won't even have to find work for them.
Everyone getting f..ked all of the time.
digital
30-10-2009, 11:28 AM
yearright........they'll scrap it for you........watch this space for some new dumb f... tax.....
Kosmik
30-10-2009, 11:29 AM
So now I am going to be funding the useless SABC indirectly via my TAX, VAT, etc?
Socialism, here we go.
I think most folks missed that one :erm:
RoganDawes
30-10-2009, 11:47 AM
I hope they have not spent millions developing a set top box for the digital TV that requires CAMS and smartcards to descramble / scramble a non paid up license if there isn't going to be a license and it's free to all in anyevent.....(and making them double the price that they should be.)
Actually, it seems that the special development of decoders for ZA is based on the decision to stream using H.264 rather than MPEG-2. In a way, I can support this, as I suspect the most new developments in the DVB field will be focused on H264 rather than MPEG2.
e.g. see DVB-S2 which specifies H2.64
risingtide
30-10-2009, 11:56 AM
I think its a case of if you get caught between now and when this ruling takes effect, you will still be liable.
Not only that but also
Money owed to the SABC in terms of TV licenses will also remain valid until fully paid up.
deweyzeph
30-10-2009, 11:58 AM
They've got to catch you first. And they couldn't shoot a fish in a barrel.
spiff
30-10-2009, 12:02 PM
great so now we no longer getting shagged by SABC TV direct - now its the TAX mans turn!!:mad:
why don't we just link everything to the TAX man??:D
Fark them, scraped it from day one. How do they expect people to pay anything for the utter rubbish the produce. Just to let me feel better FARK THEM again
risingtide
30-10-2009, 12:32 PM
They've got to catch you first. And they couldn't shoot a fish in a barrel.
The new decoders will probably have a smart card anyway, that is if the government is smart. Why pass up the possibility of having a future extra revenue stream in the form of pay TV or pay per use TV?
The decoder will probably be sold subject to some RICA/FICA scheme. Then they compare the new database against their present license database, and presto .. they have you.
Sapphiron
30-10-2009, 12:36 PM
... and I get the satisfaction of having paid annually for the last 14 years. :D
nuts to all you "pirate viewers" :p
watching without a TV license is THEFT!!! :mad:
Theft requires that you deprive someone of their property and taking it as your own.
Taking someone else's TV licence for yourself would be theft.
not paying your TV licence, while owning a TV is an unpaid licence.
Johnfpro
30-10-2009, 12:38 PM
This will save millions in admin and processing.
Imagine how that BEE crowd who do their debt collection must feel. Their income stream has now dried up. Mind you, they have probably organised some retainer fee for the next 10 years.
this is the best news i have heard in a long time.........
Blaze786
30-10-2009, 12:59 PM
Havent had a TV in yonks.... HTPC and Projector FTW!
DreamKing
30-10-2009, 01:01 PM
I am loving it :)
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Theft requires that you deprive someone of their property and taking it as your own.
Taking someone else's TV licence for yourself would be theft.
not paying your TV licence, while owning a TV is an unpaid licence.
no, it's not. It's stealing, you criminal!!!! :mad:
I'm going to report you!
For what you pay, I think SABC is far better than monochoice...
...
The decoder will probably be sold subject to some RICA/FICA scheme. Then they compare the new database against their present license database, and presto .. they have you.
You mean to say that you'll tell them you actually owned a TV without a license all these years:confused:
RoMark
30-10-2009, 02:31 PM
For what you pay, I think SABC is far better than monochoice...
You must be joking, or you don't have much interest, other than ITC:confused:
it's cheaper getting dstv (with all it's crap) than getting the crappy setop box
Kaufies
30-10-2009, 03:20 PM
For what you pay, I think SABC is far better than monochoice...
Assuming your time has no value;)
krycor
30-10-2009, 03:24 PM
so basically for nxt 2/3 yrs licences fees can pay for the set top box for new system removing the excuse for not buying it and removing complaints when they turn off the analogue system
Syndyre
30-10-2009, 03:28 PM
no, it's not. It's stealing, you criminal!!!! :mad:
I'm going to report you!
You can't defend piracy in one thread then call not paying your tv licence stealing in another.
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 03:43 PM
You can't defend piracy in one thread then call not paying your tv licence stealing in another.
Yes, I can... it's a free country... and I'm gonna report you now too! :mad:
risingtide
30-10-2009, 06:25 PM
You mean to say that you'll tell them you actually owned a TV without a license all these years:confused:
They will look at your TV and say "Show me when and where you bought this." It may need further refinements but if they are determined to collect outstanding licence fees they will have a good starting point.
Syndyre
30-10-2009, 06:28 PM
Yes, I can... it's a free country... and I'm gonna report you now too! :mad:
I never said I don't pay mine, was just saying. I may not agree with the system but if you have to pay you have to pay, just like I'd rather not give my tax money to the ANC but not much choice there either.
deweyzeph
30-10-2009, 06:38 PM
They will look at your TV and say "Show me when and where you bought this." It may need further refinements but if they are determined to collect outstanding licence fees they will have a good starting point.
"Err, Mr Inspector, I bought it off the Gumtree last week. What? You want the guys number? Oh geez, I guess I've lost it, now **** off!"
or
"That TV, Mr Inspector? I just found it on the side of the road yesterday. Now **** off!"
You see, it's easy? There's no way they can prove when and where you bought a TV and there's no way they'll ever be able to retrospectively claim back unpaid tv licences.
Netguy
30-10-2009, 06:40 PM
Hip-HIP ...!!!
Garyvdh
30-10-2009, 08:54 PM
I never said I don't pay mine, was just saying. I may not agree with the system but if you have to pay you have to pay, just like I'd rather not give my tax money to the ANC but not much choice there either.
um, you don't think maybe you should try and go back and read my posts again, this time looking for the satire in them? :D
Ivork
30-10-2009, 11:28 PM
For what you pay, I think SABC is far better than monochoice...
Mwahahahaha ROFL. Throw in etv, btv, france24, that new afrikaans channel and agreed 101%
Multiscum just pay millions for sport. Anything else like decent movie, music or the syfy channel they show you the finger. Appart from sport the rest are all the cheap dregs at the bottom of the barrel. Quite on a par with SABC content :-)
Eddy125
01-11-2009, 07:15 PM
Do you mean that those who work will pay for tv licence and susadise those who do not work and still watch tv. Will they still beable to watch free.
blackguyza
02-11-2009, 04:45 PM
One thing that I never understood about TV licenses is that; if I have a TV but I choose not to watch it then how am I liable to pay for it? Do we pay for watching or for owning it? What if it's a scrap and doesn't work?
The TV license scrapping is long overdue!!
RoganDawes
02-11-2009, 04:58 PM
One thing that I never understood about TV licenses is that; if I have a TV but I choose not to watch it then how am I liable to pay for it? Do we pay for watching or for owning it? What if it's a scrap and doesn't work?
The TV license scrapping is long overdue!!
Administering the list of people who have TV's, and choose not to watch them would be impossible, much like administering a list of people who have TV's, and choose not to pay their TV licenses.
If it is scrapped or broken, tell them that, or that you have sold your TV, and you should be able to stop paying your license. In theory. I've no idea of the hoops you'd have to jump through to prove that you no longer have any TVs.
Kosmik
02-11-2009, 05:11 PM
Administering the list of people who have TV's, and choose not to watch them would be impossible, much like administering a list of people who have TV's, and choose not to pay their TV licenses.
If it is scrapped or broken, tell them that, or that you have sold your TV, and you should be able to stop paying your license. In theory. I've no idea of the hoops you'd have to jump through to prove that you no longer have any TVs.
Actually it will be very simple in the future. I don't want a set top box , ergo I shall not pay for a service I don't use.
bekdik
02-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Theft requires that you deprive someone of their property and taking it as your own.
Nah, that's known as communism ...
Voodoo
02-11-2009, 06:22 PM
Lol, everyone is excited but did you see this:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/10281.html
Business Day has now revealed that there will be an increase of up to 1% in personal income tax to replace the TV license fees. "A tax of up to 1% would be imposed on taxpayers above their personal income tax to assist broadcasting," Business Day quoted the Department of Communications’ DG Mamodupi Mohlala as saying.
1% of my salary is way more than what I am currently paying for my tv license. We are getting shafted again.
Syndyre
02-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Lol, everyone is excited but did you see this:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/10281.html
1% of my salary is way more than what I am currently paying for my tv license. We are getting shafted again.
That's fscking ridiculous. :mad: Such a useless govt.
ToxicBunny
02-11-2009, 06:33 PM
I don't think the DoC can legislate taxes though.....
AND I don't think the MoF and DoF will allow a 1% extra tax to slip through without passing through their books first.
noxibox
02-11-2009, 08:28 PM
Now no tv license required for a large lcd screen for pc use ... stupid that they made the vendors do so in the first place when it had no tuner to begin with ...
They were hit because they were brining in screens that were TVs, but pretending they were computer monitors.