milomak
20-12-2009, 08:43 PM
generally i think south africans still dislike smith for his arrogant attitude when he started off.
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silent_shadow
20-12-2009, 09:40 PM
I don't blame the bowling decisions, thought they were very good in fact.
But we definitely declared much too late, honestly they were never even going to reach 300 on this wicket. Also our run rate was much too slow. Amla took all the time in the world to reach his century when he should've been slogging it out for the team. Also look at the tailenders in the 1st innings, after Boucher got out it was Harris and de Wet together:
Harris and de Wet made 37 runs in 16.4 overs at a run rate of 2.22.
That is just much too slow. It was always clear that we'd have trouble winning the match after the time we took batting in the first innings so why did they hang around for ages just to add in those few runs? They should've just slogged.
But we definitely declared much too late, honestly they were never even going to reach 300 on this wicket. Also our run rate was much too slow. Amla took all the time in the world to reach his century when he should've been slogging it out for the team. Also look at the tailenders in the 1st innings, after Boucher got out it was Harris and de Wet together:
Harris and de Wet made 37 runs in 16.4 overs at a run rate of 2.22.
That is just much too slow. It was always clear that we'd have trouble winning the match after the time we took batting in the first innings so why did they hang around for ages just to add in those few runs? They should've just slogged.
killadoob
20-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Shame poor ntini what an awesome moment it would have been to
get that wicket.
Looks promising though, far more promising than i thought before the series.
Go protea's :D.
get that wicket.
Looks promising though, far more promising than i thought before the series.
Go protea's :D.
SlyFly
20-12-2009, 11:32 PM
Should have had that game... Our bowlers bowled way to many "leave-able balls" we had the runs on the board we needed them to play shots... Also why let Ntini bowl the last over when he hasnt taken a wicket, rather let one of the bowlers that were able to take wickets on the day bowl the last over...
Ntini bowls predictable, no slow ball to mix it up and a very easy bowler to just leave... Needed a few yorkers and slow ball yorkers mixed in there, was way to predictable.
Ntini bowls predictable, no slow ball to mix it up and a very easy bowler to just leave... Needed a few yorkers and slow ball yorkers mixed in there, was way to predictable.
Vis1/0N
21-12-2009, 08:00 AM
generally i think south africans still dislike smith for his arrogant attitude when he started off.
True! Smiley face vs sulky and sullen - that is never going to win me over.
True! Smiley face vs sulky and sullen - that is never going to win me over.
hoegh
21-12-2009, 08:44 AM
generally i think south africans still dislike smith for his arrogant attitude when he started off.
arrogant?? :wtf: do you remember when he walked out with a broken hand to try and save a test for a draw against aus last year, anything but arrogant!
arrogant?? :wtf: do you remember when he walked out with a broken hand to try and save a test for a draw against aus last year, anything but arrogant!
chiskop
21-12-2009, 08:50 AM
arrogant?? :wtf: do you remember when he walked out with a broken hand to try and save a test for a draw against aus last year, anything but arrogant!
Well, I'm not sure that batting with a broken hand somehow makes him not arrogant - it's possible to be both arrogant and determined (or whatever other qualities you associate with that innings.) I admire him tremendously for that effort, but I still think he's arrogant.
When he started out, which is what milomak was talking about, he certainly came across as arrogant. I read a description of Smith's entry into the SA team, and his elevation to captain on an English cricket blog. They likened his kicking out of Lance Klusener to the , new guy in prison going to the biggest, baddest MF and beating him up, just so the others would respect him.
Well, I'm not sure that batting with a broken hand somehow makes him not arrogant - it's possible to be both arrogant and determined (or whatever other qualities you associate with that innings.) I admire him tremendously for that effort, but I still think he's arrogant.
When he started out, which is what milomak was talking about, he certainly came across as arrogant. I read a description of Smith's entry into the SA team, and his elevation to captain on an English cricket blog. They likened his kicking out of Lance Klusener to the , new guy in prison going to the biggest, baddest MF and beating him up, just so the others would respect him.
killadoob
21-12-2009, 08:59 AM
I don't like him because he got rid of klusener :(.
Damn *******. Just because you bat with a broken hand does not mean you suddenly drop down to earth as chis pointed out. I do think smithers is not the best captain. I watched the aussies playing the west indies and their fields are always so attacking while ours seem defensive but i may be wrong.
when the aussies get a new batsmen have 3 or 4 slips, 3 okes around the batsmen. It is quite remarkable actually. Even the west indies did the same. They wrapped up the aussies tale fast.
Damn *******. Just because you bat with a broken hand does not mean you suddenly drop down to earth as chis pointed out. I do think smithers is not the best captain. I watched the aussies playing the west indies and their fields are always so attacking while ours seem defensive but i may be wrong.
when the aussies get a new batsmen have 3 or 4 slips, 3 okes around the batsmen. It is quite remarkable actually. Even the west indies did the same. They wrapped up the aussies tale fast.
phoneJunky
21-12-2009, 09:35 AM
3rd attempt to write this now
I never thought we would get this close after KP and Trott stood so long. Smith must have done something right. I do think that we declared to late, even the commentators were screaming for a declaration.
I never thought we would get this close after KP and Trott stood so long. Smith must have done something right. I do think that we declared to late, even the commentators were screaming for a declaration.
manesan
21-12-2009, 09:35 AM
I don't blame the bowling decisions, thought they were very good in fact.
But we definitely declared much too late, honestly they were never even going to reach 300 on this wicket. Also our run rate was much too slow. Amla took all the time in the world to reach his century when he should've been slogging it out for the team. Also look at the tailenders in the 1st innings, after Boucher got out it was Harris and de Wet together:
Harris and de Wet made 37 runs in 16.4 overs at a run rate of 2.22.
That is just much too slow. It was always clear that we'd have trouble winning the match after the time we took batting in the first innings so why did they hang around for ages just to add in those few runs? They should've just slogged.
Agreed, our run rate in general was much too slow. We had 5 full days of cricket, it is inexcusable we ran out of time to finish them off. Somebody needed to take the initiative to accelerate the run rate. This only happened 2 overs before they declared.
But we definitely declared much too late, honestly they were never even going to reach 300 on this wicket. Also our run rate was much too slow. Amla took all the time in the world to reach his century when he should've been slogging it out for the team. Also look at the tailenders in the 1st innings, after Boucher got out it was Harris and de Wet together:
Harris and de Wet made 37 runs in 16.4 overs at a run rate of 2.22.
That is just much too slow. It was always clear that we'd have trouble winning the match after the time we took batting in the first innings so why did they hang around for ages just to add in those few runs? They should've just slogged.
Agreed, our run rate in general was much too slow. We had 5 full days of cricket, it is inexcusable we ran out of time to finish them off. Somebody needed to take the initiative to accelerate the run rate. This only happened 2 overs before they declared.
alf101
21-12-2009, 09:43 AM
I just hated Biff because he got to bonk Minky.
I don't think we have a better captain than him at the moment, but I'd also go with Botha for the ODI's.
I think Harris is really good, but have to wonder why Botha gets left out the Test team.
I don't think we have a better captain than him at the moment, but I'd also go with Botha for the ODI's.
I think Harris is really good, but have to wonder why Botha gets left out the Test team.
phoneJunky
21-12-2009, 09:51 AM
Someone explained this earlier in the thread, basically it come down to Botha getting more wickets when batsmen try to get runs.
alf101
21-12-2009, 09:54 AM
Someone explained this earlier in the thread, basically it come down to Botha getting more wickets when batsmen try to get runs.
Was looking at his 1st class stats batting/bowling, and they look similar to Vettori's. Guess we'll never know.
Was looking at his 1st class stats batting/bowling, and they look similar to Vettori's. Guess we'll never know.
dequadin
21-12-2009, 10:15 AM
Graeme Smith is not a good batsman OR captain.
Looking at his career stats (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=batting_average;spanmax 1=21+Dec+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;t emplate=results;type=batting) you might *think* he is?
PlayerSpanMatInsRunsHSAve
GC Smith*(ICC/SA)2002-200978137635427749.64<-- Red Herring
But if you look closer (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=player; page=2;player_involve=10406;size=200;spanmax1=21+D ec+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;templat e=results;type=batting;view=opposition) you'll see that his average is seriously inflated by big scores against mediocre/weak teams. And apart from one occasion he's never really stepped up against the big boys...
PlayerSpanMatInsRunsHSAve
GC Smith*(ICC/SA) v*Australia2002-2009132575310832.73<- Crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*Bangladesh2002-20088974323282.55<- Bangladesh don't count
GC Smith*(SA) v*England2003-20091529136427752.46<- Scored back to back double hundreds in his frist tour I.E. inflated average
GC Smith*(SA) v*India2004-20088156289441.86<- Leaning towards not crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*New Zealand2004-2007814510125*39.23<- Crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*Pakistan2002-200791770515144.06<- OK
GC Smith*(SA) v*Sri Lanka2002-2004472677438.14<- Crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*West Indies2003-20081119122214871.88<- West Indies don't count
GC Smith*(SA) v*Zimbabwe2005-20052216212181<- Zimbabwe don't count
His record as captain (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?captain_involve=10406;class=1;filter=ad vanced;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;team=3;temp late=results;type=team;view=opposition) isn't that great either. 48% Win percentage, that includes a 100% record against Bangladesh and Zim.
TeamSpanMatWonLostDrawWin%Lost%Draw%
South Africa v*West Indies2003-20081171363.64%9.09%27.27%
South Africa v*New Zealand2004-2007851262.50%12.50%18.18%
South Africa v*Pakistan2003-2007732242.86%28.57%18.18%
South Africa v*England2003-20091555533.33%33.33%45.45%
South Africa v*India2004-2008833237.50%37.50%18.18%
South Africa v*Australia2005-20091027120.00%70.00%9.09%
South Africa v*Sri Lanka2004-200420110.00%50.00%9.09%
South Africa v*Bangladesh2003-20086600100.00%0.00%0.00%
South Africa v*Zimbabwe2005-20052200100.00%0.00%0.00%
Total..6933201647.83%28.99%23.19%
Sorry guys, Smith is not good by any stretch of the imagination...
Looking at his career stats (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;orderby=batting_average;spanmax 1=21+Dec+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;t emplate=results;type=batting) you might *think* he is?
PlayerSpanMatInsRunsHSAve
GC Smith*(ICC/SA)2002-200978137635427749.64<-- Red Herring
But if you look closer (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=player; page=2;player_involve=10406;size=200;spanmax1=21+D ec+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;templat e=results;type=batting;view=opposition) you'll see that his average is seriously inflated by big scores against mediocre/weak teams. And apart from one occasion he's never really stepped up against the big boys...
PlayerSpanMatInsRunsHSAve
GC Smith*(ICC/SA) v*Australia2002-2009132575310832.73<- Crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*Bangladesh2002-20088974323282.55<- Bangladesh don't count
GC Smith*(SA) v*England2003-20091529136427752.46<- Scored back to back double hundreds in his frist tour I.E. inflated average
GC Smith*(SA) v*India2004-20088156289441.86<- Leaning towards not crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*New Zealand2004-2007814510125*39.23<- Crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*Pakistan2002-200791770515144.06<- OK
GC Smith*(SA) v*Sri Lanka2002-2004472677438.14<- Crap
GC Smith*(SA) v*West Indies2003-20081119122214871.88<- West Indies don't count
GC Smith*(SA) v*Zimbabwe2005-20052216212181<- Zimbabwe don't count
His record as captain (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?captain_involve=10406;class=1;filter=ad vanced;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;team=3;temp late=results;type=team;view=opposition) isn't that great either. 48% Win percentage, that includes a 100% record against Bangladesh and Zim.
TeamSpanMatWonLostDrawWin%Lost%Draw%
South Africa v*West Indies2003-20081171363.64%9.09%27.27%
South Africa v*New Zealand2004-2007851262.50%12.50%18.18%
South Africa v*Pakistan2003-2007732242.86%28.57%18.18%
South Africa v*England2003-20091555533.33%33.33%45.45%
South Africa v*India2004-2008833237.50%37.50%18.18%
South Africa v*Australia2005-20091027120.00%70.00%9.09%
South Africa v*Sri Lanka2004-200420110.00%50.00%9.09%
South Africa v*Bangladesh2003-20086600100.00%0.00%0.00%
South Africa v*Zimbabwe2005-20052200100.00%0.00%0.00%
Total..6933201647.83%28.99%23.19%
Sorry guys, Smith is not good by any stretch of the imagination...
stefan9
21-12-2009, 10:16 AM
I just hated Biff because he got to bonk Minky.
I don't think we have a better captain than him at the moment, but I'd also go with Botha for the ODI's.
I think Harris is really good, but have to wonder why Botha gets left out the Test team.
Look at botha's record in the super sport series last 2 seasons. He is nowhere in the top ten wicket takers while harris is quite comfortably the top wicket taking spinner.
The reason why didn't bowl england out is because ntini took no wickets. He chips in with one we win.
I don't think we have a better captain than him at the moment, but I'd also go with Botha for the ODI's.
I think Harris is really good, but have to wonder why Botha gets left out the Test team.
Look at botha's record in the super sport series last 2 seasons. He is nowhere in the top ten wicket takers while harris is quite comfortably the top wicket taking spinner.
The reason why didn't bowl england out is because ntini took no wickets. He chips in with one we win.
killadoob
21-12-2009, 10:17 AM
Nope i agree but we are stuck with him so may as well just accept it.
ryu
21-12-2009, 10:30 AM
i know but i just think i could have been slightly higher (run rate)
i knew our slow run rate would come back to haunt us! it mostly always does !
We could have increased the run rate earlier on and declared a bit early but instead we wasted time and in the end we didn't have enough time to take the last wicket :(
i knew our slow run rate would come back to haunt us! it mostly always does !
We could have increased the run rate earlier on and declared a bit early but instead we wasted time and in the end we didn't have enough time to take the last wicket :(
chiskop
21-12-2009, 10:31 AM
But if you look closer (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=player; page=2;player_involve=10406;size=200;spanmax1=21+D ec+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;templat e=results;type=batting;view=opposition) you'll see that his average is seriously inflated by big scores against mediocre/weak teams. And apart from one occasion he's never really stepped up against the big boys...
Everyone's stats are inflated by the times they play against weaker nations.
His record as captain (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?captain_involve=10406;class=1;filter=ad vanced;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;team=3;temp late=results;type=team;view=opposition) isn't that great either. 48% Win percentage, that includes a 100% record against Bangladesh and Zim.
Who, apart from Ponting, has a better W/L ratio? (Ponting of course was backed by players like Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath etc early on in his career, so I'm not sure that it's entirely fair to put it all down to his captaincy).
Why do you hold it against Smith that he has a 100% record against Bang + Zim? Again, everyone has that. Not everyone has an away series win against Australia.
Everyone's stats are inflated by the times they play against weaker nations.
His record as captain (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?captain_involve=10406;class=1;filter=ad vanced;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;team=3;temp late=results;type=team;view=opposition) isn't that great either. 48% Win percentage, that includes a 100% record against Bangladesh and Zim.
Who, apart from Ponting, has a better W/L ratio? (Ponting of course was backed by players like Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath etc early on in his career, so I'm not sure that it's entirely fair to put it all down to his captaincy).
Why do you hold it against Smith that he has a 100% record against Bang + Zim? Again, everyone has that. Not everyone has an away series win against Australia.
Devill
21-12-2009, 10:35 AM
I just hated Biff because he got to bonk Minky.
I don't think we have a better captain than him at the moment, but I'd also go with Botha for the ODI's.
I think Harris is really good, but have to wonder why Botha gets left out the Test team.
Because botha only gets wickets when people are trying to slog him.
Getting 3 runs an over in an ODI off an over is too slow but in test cricket it is fine.
Also without botha's Do0sra he really is not all that great. Harris is tall and left handed which does give batsmen a lot more trouble facing than a righthanded off spinner.
I don't think we have a better captain than him at the moment, but I'd also go with Botha for the ODI's.
I think Harris is really good, but have to wonder why Botha gets left out the Test team.
Because botha only gets wickets when people are trying to slog him.
Getting 3 runs an over in an ODI off an over is too slow but in test cricket it is fine.
Also without botha's Do0sra he really is not all that great. Harris is tall and left handed which does give batsmen a lot more trouble facing than a righthanded off spinner.
Devill
21-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Not everyone has an away series win against Australia.
Or England. Or India(IIRC).....
Or England. Or India(IIRC).....
alf101
21-12-2009, 10:37 AM
Because botha only gets wickets when people are trying to slog him.
Getting 3 runs an over in an ODI of an over is too slow but in test cricket it is fine.
Also without botha's Do0sra he really is not all that great. Harris is tall and left handed which does give batsmen a lot more trouble facing than a righthanded off spinner.
That may be true, however he never bonked Minki.
Getting 3 runs an over in an ODI of an over is too slow but in test cricket it is fine.
Also without botha's Do0sra he really is not all that great. Harris is tall and left handed which does give batsmen a lot more trouble facing than a righthanded off spinner.
That may be true, however he never bonked Minki.
Devill
21-12-2009, 10:38 AM
That may be true, however he never bonked Minki.
Huh?!
Harris is not = to smith :p
We are talking about harris and botha ;)
Huh?!
Harris is not = to smith :p
We are talking about harris and botha ;)
alf101
21-12-2009, 10:46 AM
Huh?!
Harris is not = to smith :p
We are talking about harris and botha ;)
Well, I know Harris is (probably - Botha not had much chance to play, he can adapt well though I think) better than Botha, but I'm thinking that Botha is potentially a better captain than Smith.
Harris is not = to smith :p
We are talking about harris and botha ;)
Well, I know Harris is (probably - Botha not had much chance to play, he can adapt well though I think) better than Botha, but I'm thinking that Botha is potentially a better captain than Smith.
chiskop
21-12-2009, 10:50 AM
Or England. Or India(IIRC).....
Or double centuries against England etc etc
I'm no Smith fan, but he is certainly the best captain we've had since readmission.
Or double centuries against England etc etc
I'm no Smith fan, but he is certainly the best captain we've had since readmission.
Devill
21-12-2009, 10:51 AM
Well, I know Harris is (probably - Botha not had much chance to play, he can adapt well though I think) better than Botha, but I'm thinking that Botha is potentially a better captain than Smith.
Doubt it.
Smith is a good captain and tests and ODIs are worlds apart.
Smith just needs to sometimes back his own players.... But then again with someone like morkel bowling 3 balls an over that I will be able to put away for a boundry blind folded it is easy to see why we sometimes go a bit defensive.
But for the England second innings field placings their was no excuse, it could have been a bit more attacking at some stages.
Doubt it.
Smith is a good captain and tests and ODIs are worlds apart.
Smith just needs to sometimes back his own players.... But then again with someone like morkel bowling 3 balls an over that I will be able to put away for a boundry blind folded it is easy to see why we sometimes go a bit defensive.
But for the England second innings field placings their was no excuse, it could have been a bit more attacking at some stages.
alf101
21-12-2009, 10:53 AM
Doubt it.
Smith is a good captain and tests and ODIs are worlds apart.
Smith just needs to sometimes back his own players.... But then again with someone like morkel bowling 3 balls an over that I will be able to put away for a boundry blind folded it is easy to see why we sometimes go a bit defensive.
But for the England second innings field placings their was no excuse, it could have been a bit more attacking at some stages.
Botha can think on his feet - Smith has to follow a plan...
Smith is a good captain and tests and ODIs are worlds apart.
Smith just needs to sometimes back his own players.... But then again with someone like morkel bowling 3 balls an over that I will be able to put away for a boundry blind folded it is easy to see why we sometimes go a bit defensive.
But for the England second innings field placings their was no excuse, it could have been a bit more attacking at some stages.
Botha can think on his feet - Smith has to follow a plan...
dequadin
21-12-2009, 10:55 AM
Everyone's stats are inflated by the times they play against weaker nations.
I won't do a comparison against any of the great opening/upper order batsmen (Hayden/Tendulkar/etc) But how about this one? Justin Langer (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=player; page=2;player_involve=2071;size=200;spanmax1=21+De c+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;template =results;type=batting;view=opposition). Averages above 40 for two and above 50 against top sides in tests. He only missed out against Sri Lanka. And didn't cash in against the minos.
Who, apart from Ponting, has a better W/L ratio? (Ponting of course was backed by players like Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath etc early on in his career, so I'm not sure that it's entirely fair to put it all down to his captaincy).
Why do you hold it against Smith that he has a 100% record against Bang + Zim? Again, everyone has that. Not everyone has an away series win against Australia.
Quite a few actually (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=captain s;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;spanmax1=21+Dec+ 2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;team_view= bowl;template=results;type=team) and he's the fourth best SA captain wrt W/L ration.
BTW all my stats are since SA's readmission (i.e. > 1992) If you look over the entire history of cricket, Smith drops even more...
The point I'm trying to make is Smith is not good, he's decisively average
I won't do a comparison against any of the great opening/upper order batsmen (Hayden/Tendulkar/etc) But how about this one? Justin Langer (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=player; page=2;player_involve=2071;size=200;spanmax1=21+De c+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;template =results;type=batting;view=opposition). Averages above 40 for two and above 50 against top sides in tests. He only missed out against Sri Lanka. And didn't cash in against the minos.
Who, apart from Ponting, has a better W/L ratio? (Ponting of course was backed by players like Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath etc early on in his career, so I'm not sure that it's entirely fair to put it all down to his captaincy).
Why do you hold it against Smith that he has a 100% record against Bang + Zim? Again, everyone has that. Not everyone has an away series win against Australia.
Quite a few actually (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=captain s;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;spanmax1=21+Dec+ 2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;team_view= bowl;template=results;type=team) and he's the fourth best SA captain wrt W/L ration.
BTW all my stats are since SA's readmission (i.e. > 1992) If you look over the entire history of cricket, Smith drops even more...
The point I'm trying to make is Smith is not good, he's decisively average
Devill
21-12-2009, 10:56 AM
Botha can think on his feet - Smith has to follow a plan...
I am not convinced he is all that great. In Aus he simply (imo) got a bit lucky.
I rarely saw him changing the field and telling the bowler to bowl differently after the batsman has scored 30 odd to get the wicket.
He did bowl brilliantly together with roelf. But test cricket (as you know) is not ODI... If you get it wrong in test cricket its not such an easy fix.
I am not convinced he is all that great. In Aus he simply (imo) got a bit lucky.
I rarely saw him changing the field and telling the bowler to bowl differently after the batsman has scored 30 odd to get the wicket.
He did bowl brilliantly together with roelf. But test cricket (as you know) is not ODI... If you get it wrong in test cricket its not such an easy fix.
LancelotSA
21-12-2009, 10:57 AM
So come on, dequadin, give us your option for captaincy and opening batsman?
Posting stats is wonderful but not much use when you can't back it up.
Posting stats is wonderful but not much use when you can't back it up.
alf101
21-12-2009, 11:00 AM
I am not convinced he is all that great. In Aus he simply (imo) got a bit lucky.
I rarely saw him changing the field and telling the bowler to bowl differently after the batsman has scored 30 odd to get the wicket.
He did bowl brilliantly together with roelf. But test cricket (as you know) is not ODI... If you get it wrong in test cricket its not such an easy fix.
The ability to think on his feet is what will make him a better captain.
Not being able to do that has been our downfall many times.
I rarely saw him changing the field and telling the bowler to bowl differently after the batsman has scored 30 odd to get the wicket.
He did bowl brilliantly together with roelf. But test cricket (as you know) is not ODI... If you get it wrong in test cricket its not such an easy fix.
The ability to think on his feet is what will make him a better captain.
Not being able to do that has been our downfall many times.
LancelotSA
21-12-2009, 11:06 AM
But how about this one? Justin Langer. Averages above 40 for two and above 50 against top sides in tests. He only missed out against Sri Lanka. And didn't cash in against the minos.
But you need to exclude some teams as they were inflated by high scores :
England 250
India 223
New Zealand 215
:D
But you need to exclude some teams as they were inflated by high scores :
England 250
India 223
New Zealand 215
:D
dequadin
21-12-2009, 11:07 AM
So come on, dequadin, give us your option for captaincy and opening batsman?
Posting stats is wonderful but not much use when you can't back it up.
The reason I point to stats, it's the only fair way to judge a player. (IMO) All I'm saying is Smith is not that good.
I do think he's the best we've got in terms of the current SA test quad for captain. If you forced me to pick someone, I'd say AB De Villiers, but I don't want to ruin him by making him captain :D
As far as other opening batsmen, I don't watch enough domestic cricket to propose someone else... If you look at the current test quad, I don't think (for example) something like a Prince/Amla opening combination with someone else coming in lower down will do any better.
Personally I think we should do what Aus do. Have Smith as the test captain, and Botha as the ODI captain.
Posting stats is wonderful but not much use when you can't back it up.
The reason I point to stats, it's the only fair way to judge a player. (IMO) All I'm saying is Smith is not that good.
I do think he's the best we've got in terms of the current SA test quad for captain. If you forced me to pick someone, I'd say AB De Villiers, but I don't want to ruin him by making him captain :D
As far as other opening batsmen, I don't watch enough domestic cricket to propose someone else... If you look at the current test quad, I don't think (for example) something like a Prince/Amla opening combination with someone else coming in lower down will do any better.
Personally I think we should do what Aus do. Have Smith as the test captain, and Botha as the ODI captain.
Devill
21-12-2009, 11:07 AM
I won't do a comparison against any of the great opening/upper order batsmen (Hayden/Tendulkar/etc) But how about this one? Justin Langer (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=player; page=2;player_involve=2071;size=200;spanmax1=21+De c+2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;template =results;type=batting;view=opposition). Averages above 40 for two and above 50 against top sides in tests. He only missed out against Sri Lanka. And didn't cash in against the minos.
Quite a few actually (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=captain s;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;spanmax1=21+Dec+ 2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;team_view= bowl;template=results;type=team) and he's the fourth best SA captain wrt W/L ration.
BTW all my stats are since SA's readmission (i.e. > 1992) If you look over the entire history of cricket, Smith drops even more...
The point I'm trying to make is Smith is not good, he's decisively average
Erm smith averages more in tests than Langer at a better strike rate...... So did I miss the point your trying to make? (http://www.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/47270.html)
Also as far as the W/L ratio goes lets have a look at the last 3 years.... Smith grew to become a good captain.
Quite a few actually (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=captain s;orderby=win_loss_ratio;size=200;spanmax1=21+Dec+ 2009;spanmin1=21+Dec+1992;spanval1=span;team_view= bowl;template=results;type=team) and he's the fourth best SA captain wrt W/L ration.
BTW all my stats are since SA's readmission (i.e. > 1992) If you look over the entire history of cricket, Smith drops even more...
The point I'm trying to make is Smith is not good, he's decisively average
Erm smith averages more in tests than Langer at a better strike rate...... So did I miss the point your trying to make? (http://www.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/47270.html)
Also as far as the W/L ratio goes lets have a look at the last 3 years.... Smith grew to become a good captain.
Devill
21-12-2009, 11:09 AM
The ability to think on his feet is what will make him a better captain.
Not being able to do that has been our downfall many times.
Like I said he has not convinced me at all that he has thought on his feet to give us the win....
Imo he was lucky. Also you pick your 11 best players and then a captain out of those... Botha will not make the cut.
Not being able to do that has been our downfall many times.
Like I said he has not convinced me at all that he has thought on his feet to give us the win....
Imo he was lucky. Also you pick your 11 best players and then a captain out of those... Botha will not make the cut.
Devill
21-12-2009, 11:14 AM
The reason I point to stats, it's the only fair way to judge a player. (IMO) All I'm saying is Smith is not that good.
I do think he's the best we've got in terms of the current SA test quad for captain. If you forced me to pick someone, I'd say AB De Villiers, but I don't want to ruin him by making him captain :D
As far as other opening batsmen, I don't watch enough domestic cricket to propose someone else... If you look at the current test quad, I don't think (for example) something like a Prince/Amla opening combination with someone else coming in lower down will do any better.
Personally I think we should do what Aus do. Have Smith as the test captain, and Botha as the ODI captain.
Isn't ponting still captaining both? I am sure he just wanted a bit of a break on the last Aus ODI series....
I do think he's the best we've got in terms of the current SA test quad for captain. If you forced me to pick someone, I'd say AB De Villiers, but I don't want to ruin him by making him captain :D
As far as other opening batsmen, I don't watch enough domestic cricket to propose someone else... If you look at the current test quad, I don't think (for example) something like a Prince/Amla opening combination with someone else coming in lower down will do any better.
Personally I think we should do what Aus do. Have Smith as the test captain, and Botha as the ODI captain.
Isn't ponting still captaining both? I am sure he just wanted a bit of a break on the last Aus ODI series....
stefan9
21-12-2009, 11:14 AM
Smith will always be criticised, some people just don't like the guy. There is a reason why only he and kallis were picked for cricinfo's all time best SA 11 of the current side.;)
dequadin
21-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Isn't ponting still captaining both? I am sure he just wanted a bit of a break on the last Aus ODI series....
I think officially yes, but for how much longer? Anyway the same thing happened before, with Waugh as the test captain and Ponting the ODI one.
It's a strategy that makes sense to me...
I think officially yes, but for how much longer? Anyway the same thing happened before, with Waugh as the test captain and Ponting the ODI one.
It's a strategy that makes sense to me...
chiskop
21-12-2009, 11:41 AM
I do think he's the best we've got in terms of the current SA test quad for captain.
Then we're in agreement.
Then we're in agreement.
alf101
21-12-2009, 11:54 AM
I think officially yes, but for how much longer? Anyway the same thing happened before, with Waugh as the test captain and Ponting the ODI one.
It's a strategy that makes sense to me...
It's just T20i's he's not playing anymore.
Don't really get the point of that, but I guess it may give him a few extra days at home.
It's a strategy that makes sense to me...
It's just T20i's he's not playing anymore.
Don't really get the point of that, but I guess it may give him a few extra days at home.
Devill
21-12-2009, 12:28 PM
I think officially yes, but for how much longer? Anyway the same thing happened before, with Waugh as the test captain and Ponting the ODI one.
It's a strategy that makes sense to me...
Sometimes but I prefer a captain that is good enough in all formats.
And like I said Botha did not really impress upon me that he made any brilliant calls as much as being lucky.
It's just T20i's he's not playing anymore.
Don't really get the point of that, but I guess it may give him a few extra days at home.
He doesn't like it too much IIRC and he will rather keep his strength for the IPL for the $$$.
But it is clever cause it opens up a bit of a training ground for the next captain.
It's a strategy that makes sense to me...
Sometimes but I prefer a captain that is good enough in all formats.
And like I said Botha did not really impress upon me that he made any brilliant calls as much as being lucky.
It's just T20i's he's not playing anymore.
Don't really get the point of that, but I guess it may give him a few extra days at home.
He doesn't like it too much IIRC and he will rather keep his strength for the IPL for the $$$.
But it is clever cause it opens up a bit of a training ground for the next captain.
phoneJunky
21-12-2009, 01:08 PM
Smith is ok, but there is room for improvement. Hansie is my altime favourite captain (although the devill told him to do some stuff).
silent_shadow
21-12-2009, 01:33 PM
Where do people come up with this idea of Botha being a great captain? Because his team performed well in Aus? What a joke, he's not even a sure starter for the ODI team.
Devill
21-12-2009, 01:38 PM
Smith is ok, but there is room for improvement. Hansie is my altime favourite captain (although the devill told him to do some stuff).
It was only a suggestion :mad:
It was only a suggestion :mad:
killadoob
21-12-2009, 01:45 PM
Smith is a good batsmen, one of our best without a doubt.
Captain i have never liked him even when he won in aus only to come and lose it here.
Captain i have never liked him even when he won in aus only to come and lose it here.
mikkelz_za
21-12-2009, 04:01 PM
Slow over rate? Thank Jonathan Trott for that.
shamanic aphex
21-12-2009, 08:58 PM
whew, almost lost bet, thank you onion.
LancelotSA
21-12-2009, 09:00 PM
whew, almost lost bet, thank you onion.
You must be English?
You must be English?
sand_man
21-12-2009, 10:19 PM
For me the weakest link is Mickey Arthur. The biggest mistake Smith has made was choosing Arthur over Jennings.
Jennings was just the man to teach Smith the intricacies of test cricket. Arthur has failed to equip Smith with the tactical prowess required to dominate at this level... IMHO....
Jennings was just the man to teach Smith the intricacies of test cricket. Arthur has failed to equip Smith with the tactical prowess required to dominate at this level... IMHO....
Zyzzyva
21-12-2009, 10:31 PM
Mickey seems to be a bit buddy buddy, and not technically sound enough to be a great coach. Don't get me wrong, he isn't bad, but he definitely isn't great.
My greatest frustration over the last few years is how long it takes our players to correct their various problems. My guess is our coaching team just don't supply enough quality technical instruction.
How good do you think Morne Morkel would get in the aussie setup.
My greatest frustration over the last few years is how long it takes our players to correct their various problems. My guess is our coaching team just don't supply enough quality technical instruction.
How good do you think Morne Morkel would get in the aussie setup.
McT
21-12-2009, 11:25 PM
whew, almost lost bet, thank you onion.
:wtf: :mad:
:wtf: :mad:
McT
21-12-2009, 11:26 PM
I really don't care who the coach is so long as we're winning :p
milomak
21-12-2009, 11:49 PM
speaking of coaches, i admire how kirsten seems to have brought the best out of the indian team.
chiskop
22-12-2009, 05:07 AM
speaking of coaches, i admire how kirsten seems to have brought the best out of the indian team.
Well, their batting is pretty amazing. Their fielding, not so much...
Well, their batting is pretty amazing. Their fielding, not so much...
McT
22-12-2009, 06:16 AM
speaking of coaches, i admire how kirsten seems to have brought the best out of the indian team.
Well, their batting is pretty amazing. Their fielding, not so much...
Can you have the cake and eat it? :erm:
Look, he's doing a really swell job with the team. Taken them to No. 1 in test status, albeit against Sri Lanka (my No. 2 team). But they're way too erratic to keep it there. Their fielding is :sick: and bowling can also be a wee bit :sick:
Still they do make the game interesting :D
Well, their batting is pretty amazing. Their fielding, not so much...
Can you have the cake and eat it? :erm:
Look, he's doing a really swell job with the team. Taken them to No. 1 in test status, albeit against Sri Lanka (my No. 2 team). But they're way too erratic to keep it there. Their fielding is :sick: and bowling can also be a wee bit :sick:
Still they do make the game interesting :D
killadoob
22-12-2009, 10:13 AM
I am not sure kirsten has brought the best out of them.
They have some of the most talented batsmen on the planet in their team. Their 2 openers make me salivate :D. Pure batting genius upfront
They have some of the most talented batsmen on the planet in their team. Their 2 openers make me salivate :D. Pure batting genius upfront
alf101
22-12-2009, 10:21 AM
speaking of coaches, i admire how kirsten seems to have brought the best out of the indian team.
Well, he does encourage the players to have plenty of sex before matches. :)
Who wouldn't like a coach like that?
Well, he does encourage the players to have plenty of sex before matches. :)
Who wouldn't like a coach like that?
stefan9
22-12-2009, 12:53 PM
Can you have the cake and eat it? :erm:
Look, he's doing a really swell job with the team. Taken them to No. 1 in test status, albeit against Sri Lanka (my No. 2 team). But they're way too erratic to keep it there. Their fielding is :sick: and bowling can also be a wee bit :sick:
Still they do make the game interesting :D
They are number one due to the icc rankings being a fail. How a side can be ranked number one if they have never beaten SA or Aus away from home is a total mistery.
Look, he's doing a really swell job with the team. Taken them to No. 1 in test status, albeit against Sri Lanka (my No. 2 team). But they're way too erratic to keep it there. Their fielding is :sick: and bowling can also be a wee bit :sick:
Still they do make the game interesting :D
They are number one due to the icc rankings being a fail. How a side can be ranked number one if they have never beaten SA or Aus away from home is a total mistery.
McT
22-12-2009, 12:56 PM
They are number one due to the icc rankings being a fail. How a side can be ranked number one if they have never beaten SA or Aus away from home is a total mistery.
What he said! :(
What he said! :(
alf101
22-12-2009, 01:01 PM
They are number one due to the icc rankings being a fail. How a side can be ranked number one if they have never beaten SA or Aus away from home is a total mistery.
By beating Pakistan, Bangeldesh and Sri Lanka often.
By beating Pakistan, Bangeldesh and Sri Lanka often.
McT
22-12-2009, 01:20 PM
Come to think of it, I think it has been rigged by the BCCI! :mad:
gdiza
22-12-2009, 03:17 PM
I just found out about Gary Kirsten coaching india, I didn't know that, I must get back into cricket... slacking over the last year.
silent_shadow
22-12-2009, 07:36 PM
I just found out about Gary Kirsten coaching india, I didn't know that, I must get back into cricket... slacking over the last year.
lol That is seriously delayed.
lol That is seriously delayed.
LancelotSA
22-12-2009, 07:46 PM
By the way, did you guys know South Africa is playing England in Durban from Saturday? :D
You guys are like the Indian/Paki guys on the cricinfo group on Facebook. No matter the subject being discussed they will start talking about India.
"Paul Harris talks about upcoming test"
Response - India will beat Pakistan any day of the week
"Andrew Miller and Lawrence Booth (Daily Mail) look back at England's first Test against South Africa"
Response - Yeah but India is better than Pakistan
:D
Durban looks like it may be a scorcher on Boxing day!
http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast-details.asp?partner=forecastfox&zipcode=AFR|ZA|SF005|DURBAN|&fday=5&metric=1
Humid and warmer with sunshine and patchy clouds
High: 30°C
RealFeel®: 35°C
Max UV Index: Very High (9)
You guys are like the Indian/Paki guys on the cricinfo group on Facebook. No matter the subject being discussed they will start talking about India.
"Paul Harris talks about upcoming test"
Response - India will beat Pakistan any day of the week
"Andrew Miller and Lawrence Booth (Daily Mail) look back at England's first Test against South Africa"
Response - Yeah but India is better than Pakistan
:D
Durban looks like it may be a scorcher on Boxing day!
http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast-details.asp?partner=forecastfox&zipcode=AFR|ZA|SF005|DURBAN|&fday=5&metric=1
Humid and warmer with sunshine and patchy clouds
High: 30°C
RealFeel®: 35°C
Max UV Index: Very High (9)
killadoob
22-12-2009, 08:21 PM
Ya the india are 2-1 up in the series.
Absolutely cracking one day series between them, sri lanka looked on for 350+ and just lost so many wickets to finish on 239 was rather shocking.
Absolutely cracking one day series between them, sri lanka looked on for 350+ and just lost so many wickets to finish on 239 was rather shocking.
McT
22-12-2009, 08:51 PM
I just found out about Gary Kirsten coaching india, I didn't know that, I must get back into cricket... slacking over the last year.
It has been a while since your last confession, my son :p
By the way, did you guys know South Africa is playing England in Durban from Saturday? :D
You guys are like the Indian/Paki guys on the cricinfo group on Facebook. No matter the subject being discussed they will start talking about India.
"Paul Harris talks about upcoming test"
Response - India will beat Pakistan any day of the week
"Andrew Miller and Lawrence Booth (Daily Mail) look back at England's first Test against South Africa"
Response - Yeah but India is better than Pakistan
:D
Durban looks like it may be a scorcher on Boxing day!
http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast-details.asp?partner=forecastfox&zipcode=AFR|ZA|SF005|DURBAN|&fday=5&metric=1
Excuse the colour, but this will be worth watching.
Biff win toss. Bat first ... and for 2 days!
Watch English Rose wilt! :D
It has been a while since your last confession, my son :p
By the way, did you guys know South Africa is playing England in Durban from Saturday? :D
You guys are like the Indian/Paki guys on the cricinfo group on Facebook. No matter the subject being discussed they will start talking about India.
"Paul Harris talks about upcoming test"
Response - India will beat Pakistan any day of the week
"Andrew Miller and Lawrence Booth (Daily Mail) look back at England's first Test against South Africa"
Response - Yeah but India is better than Pakistan
:D
Durban looks like it may be a scorcher on Boxing day!
http://www.accuweather.com/world-forecast-details.asp?partner=forecastfox&zipcode=AFR|ZA|SF005|DURBAN|&fday=5&metric=1
Excuse the colour, but this will be worth watching.
Biff win toss. Bat first ... and for 2 days!
Watch English Rose wilt! :D
JK8
22-12-2009, 09:49 PM
Ya the india are 2-1 up in the series.
Absolutely cracking one day series between them, sri lanka looked on for 350+ and just lost so many wickets to finish on 239 was rather shocking.
Yip entertaining stuff, better stuff is yet to come!
Aus vs Pakistan!:D
Absolutely cracking one day series between them, sri lanka looked on for 350+ and just lost so many wickets to finish on 239 was rather shocking.
Yip entertaining stuff, better stuff is yet to come!
Aus vs Pakistan!:D
killadoob
22-12-2009, 10:01 PM
Naaa i think pakistan cricket is in a bit of slump but yea hopefully the pitches are as nice as the ones being played on between india and sri lanka.
Dead batting paradises FTW.
Dead batting paradises FTW.
LancelotSA
22-12-2009, 10:02 PM
It seems like staying on topic is something that just does not happen on this forum any more....
killadoob
22-12-2009, 10:13 PM
It seems like staying on topic is something that just does not happen on this forum any more....
Seriously lance get over yourself, we did long ago.
Seriously lance get over yourself, we did long ago.
LancelotSA
22-12-2009, 10:16 PM
Seriously lance get over yourself, we did long ago.
How about you reacquaint yourself with standard forum etiquette?
Although you may think this is your personal empire, it is not. Some of us keep an eye on threads whose topics interest us. We then see a post and come in to see what it says. When it is totally off topic it is just a little annoying!
:rolleyes:
How about you reacquaint yourself with standard forum etiquette?
Although you may think this is your personal empire, it is not. Some of us keep an eye on threads whose topics interest us. We then see a post and come in to see what it says. When it is totally off topic it is just a little annoying!
:rolleyes:
killadoob
22-12-2009, 10:22 PM
You seem to be the only one complaining though as usual.
So if you see us discussing something you do not like you can always not talk about it
Pity sachin missed his 100 by 4 runs.
So if you see us discussing something you do not like you can always not talk about it
Pity sachin missed his 100 by 4 runs.
LancelotSA
22-12-2009, 10:27 PM
You seem to be the only one complaining though as usual.
So if you see us discussing something you do not like you can always not talk about it
Pity sachin missed his 100 by 4 runs.
Of course, I am in the wrong and you are right :rolleyes:
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killadoob
22-12-2009, 10:52 PM
Talking about cricket is not hijacking a thread if the thread is about cricket noobcake.
Talking about britney murpy's deaths for 5 pages may be considered hijacking mr high and mighty.
So come lance let's discuss england and SA test on SAT, you get us started what would you like to discuss? I can see it is destroying your life seeing us discuss india in this thread.
Talking about britney murpy's deaths for 5 pages may be considered hijacking mr high and mighty.
So come lance let's discuss england and SA test on SAT, you get us started what would you like to discuss? I can see it is destroying your life seeing us discuss india in this thread.
stefan9
22-12-2009, 11:01 PM
See Flower is crying about the umpire review system. Maybe he and straus should rather go and figure out how to use it properly instead of moaning?? Ofcourse we expected this seeing as england were the only side who voted against the system. Only side in world cricket that doesn't want a system which improves the accuracy of decisions.;)
AirWolf
23-12-2009, 07:22 AM
See Flower is crying about the umpire review system. Maybe he and straus should rather go and figure out how to use it properly instead of moaning?? Ofcourse we expected this seeing as england were the only side who voted against the system. Only side in world cricket that doesn't want a system which improves the accuracy of decisions.;)
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/current/story/440732.html
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/current/story/440732.html
Sting
23-12-2009, 07:51 AM
England, home of the MCC, standing in the way of progress? Never!!!!
/bunch of whiners!!!
/bunch of whiners!!!
dequadin
23-12-2009, 09:59 AM
Kingsmead Test Predictions
Lets get some predictions in for the Kingsmead (http://www.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/ground/59089.html) Test. SA have an excellent record (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;ground=302;orderby=batting_fiel ding_first;result=1;spanmax1=23+Dec+2009;spanmin1= 23+Dec+1999;spanval1=span;template=results;type=te am;view=results) at the ground, batting first or second. Lets hope we don't get a repeat from earlier in the year (http://www.cricinfo.com/southafrica/engine/match/350473.html). But the way the ball moved around on (I think it was the second day), was a bit freak-ish.
It looks like both Cook and Bell are playing (http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/current/story/440732.html) (fresh meat, nom nom) which is good news for us :D
Here's mine (assume we get no bad weather):
Dale Steyn Fit
SA Batting First: SA Win
SA Batting Second: SA Win
Dale Steyn Not Fit
SA Batting First: SA Win
SA Batting Second: Draw
Lets get some predictions in for the Kingsmead (http://www.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/ground/59089.html) Test. SA have an excellent record (http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;ground=302;orderby=batting_fiel ding_first;result=1;spanmax1=23+Dec+2009;spanmin1= 23+Dec+1999;spanval1=span;template=results;type=te am;view=results) at the ground, batting first or second. Lets hope we don't get a repeat from earlier in the year (http://www.cricinfo.com/southafrica/engine/match/350473.html). But the way the ball moved around on (I think it was the second day), was a bit freak-ish.
It looks like both Cook and Bell are playing (http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/current/story/440732.html) (fresh meat, nom nom) which is good news for us :D
Here's mine (assume we get no bad weather):
Dale Steyn Fit
SA Batting First: SA Win
SA Batting Second: SA Win
Dale Steyn Not Fit
SA Batting First: SA Win
SA Batting Second: Draw
Smurfatefrog
23-12-2009, 10:33 AM
Someone named Dayle Steyn will certainly not be playing
ryu
23-12-2009, 10:34 AM
i'm gonna be a bit more precise ...
SA win regardless of stein or toss (batting 1st or 2nd etc)
england barely managed the draw so i can't really see them winning or drawing again.
besides i think kallis is fit enough to bowl now as well, smith owes us a good batting performance and he does really seem to shine when it comes to the english :)
SA win regardless of stein or toss (batting 1st or 2nd etc)
england barely managed the draw so i can't really see them winning or drawing again.
besides i think kallis is fit enough to bowl now as well, smith owes us a good batting performance and he does really seem to shine when it comes to the english :)
ToxicBunny
23-12-2009, 10:40 AM
I have but one prediction for the Kingsmead test....
The Barmy Army will now have competition.....
The Barmy Army will now have competition.....
chiskop
23-12-2009, 10:44 AM
england barely managed the draw so i can't really see them winning or drawing again.
England did well to hold on from that position, but were only in that position because of de wet's outstanding spell. A few overs earlier (before the run out and de villliers' catch) it had really looked like the game was heading towards a draw.
I do think we've got the beating of England, but let's not get carried away by the Centurion result.
(Apologies to all for the on-topic posting. Will attempt to derail next time.)
England did well to hold on from that position, but were only in that position because of de wet's outstanding spell. A few overs earlier (before the run out and de villliers' catch) it had really looked like the game was heading towards a draw.
I do think we've got the beating of England, but let's not get carried away by the Centurion result.
(Apologies to all for the on-topic posting. Will attempt to derail next time.)
dequadin
23-12-2009, 10:45 AM
Someone named Dayle Steyn will certainly not be playing
Fixed :)
england barely managed the draw so i can't really see them winning or drawing again.
I'm thinking about what happened in the Ashes, where they also scrapped a draw in the first test and bounced back the next game.
besides i think kallis is fit enough to bowl now as well.
Forgot about that one, doesn't change my predictions however.
Fixed :)
england barely managed the draw so i can't really see them winning or drawing again.
I'm thinking about what happened in the Ashes, where they also scrapped a draw in the first test and bounced back the next game.
besides i think kallis is fit enough to bowl now as well.
Forgot about that one, doesn't change my predictions however.
JK8
23-12-2009, 11:09 AM
Naaa i think pakistan cricket is in a bit of slump but yea hopefully the pitches are as nice as the ones being played on between india and sri lanka.
Dead batting paradises FTW.
Nah Pakis can pull it off, if and when they do its great!:D
I dont see Aus giving them a white wash.
It seems like staying on topic is something that just does not happen on this forum any more....
Boo hoo, its test cricket, besides we not attacking your beloved Smithers, relax dude.
Dead batting paradises FTW.
Nah Pakis can pull it off, if and when they do its great!:D
I dont see Aus giving them a white wash.
It seems like staying on topic is something that just does not happen on this forum any more....
Boo hoo, its test cricket, besides we not attacking your beloved Smithers, relax dude.
stefan9
23-12-2009, 12:12 PM
If SA plays to our ability we will beat england but the same applied to australia during the ashes. We have to make sure we are on top of our game and need to pick the right time. Steyn has to play for ntini not de wet.
Devill
23-12-2009, 12:27 PM
If SA plays to our ability we will beat england but the same applied to australia during the ashes. We have to make sure we are on top of our game and need to pick the right time. Steyn has to play for ntini not de wet.
The team I would like to see:
Smith
Prince
Amla
Kallis
AB
Duminy
Boucher (Khun to replace him after the WC :o)
De Wet
Steyn
M. Morkel
Harris
With Kallis fit and 3 bowlers that can speed away at 150km/h we will have a much better looking bowling lineup.
The team I would like to see:
Smith
Prince
Amla
Kallis
AB
Duminy
Boucher (Khun to replace him after the WC :o)
De Wet
Steyn
M. Morkel
Harris
With Kallis fit and 3 bowlers that can speed away at 150km/h we will have a much better looking bowling lineup.
alf101
23-12-2009, 12:40 PM
The team I would like to see:
With Kallis fit and 3 bowlers that can speed away at 150km/h we will have a much better looking bowling lineup.
After the last test, I'd drop Morkel for Frikkadel
With Kallis fit and 3 bowlers that can speed away at 150km/h we will have a much better looking bowling lineup.
After the last test, I'd drop Morkel for Frikkadel
Devill
23-12-2009, 12:44 PM
After the last test, I'd drop Morkel for Frikkadel
What and keep Ntini?
What and keep Ntini?
lilggg
23-12-2009, 12:46 PM
Dont bother expecting a result in durban,it raisn all the time.And bad light stops play at like 3pm
stefan9
23-12-2009, 12:47 PM
After the last test, I'd drop Morkel for Frikkadel
Why would you drop either?? Ntini is the one to drop. Ntini didn't look like taking a wicket while morkel produced some great deliveries especially the one that got straus. He bowled a much better lenght than against aus. His height and extra pace will always be a handfull.
I agree with Devil's team except for the batting order.
1.Smith
2.Prince
3.Amla
4.Kallis
5.AB
6.JP
7.Bouch
8.M.Morkel
9.Harris
10.Steyn
11. De Wet
Why would you drop either?? Ntini is the one to drop. Ntini didn't look like taking a wicket while morkel produced some great deliveries especially the one that got straus. He bowled a much better lenght than against aus. His height and extra pace will always be a handfull.
I agree with Devil's team except for the batting order.
1.Smith
2.Prince
3.Amla
4.Kallis
5.AB
6.JP
7.Bouch
8.M.Morkel
9.Harris
10.Steyn
11. De Wet
alf101
23-12-2009, 12:49 PM
What and keep Ntini?
Of course I'd drop Ntini 5 tests ago, but we're not allowed to. ;)
Of course I'd drop Ntini 5 tests ago, but we're not allowed to. ;)
Devill
23-12-2009, 12:55 PM
Why would you drop either?? Ntini is the one to drop. Ntini didn't look like taking a wicket while morkel produced some great deliveries especially the one that got straus. He bowled a much better lenght than against aus. His height and extra pace will always be a handfull.
I agree with Devil's team except for the batting order.
1.Smith
2.Prince
3.Amla
4.Kallis
5.AB
6.JP
7.Bouch
8.M.Morkel
9.Harris
10.Steyn
11. De Wet
:p After boucher I only slotted them in in random order :D
Also de Wet looked a tad better than Steyn batting wise;)
Of course I'd drop Ntini 5 tests ago, but we're not allowed to. ;)
:p Like I said I would like to see that team.... not that it would happen ;)
I agree with Devil's team except for the batting order.
1.Smith
2.Prince
3.Amla
4.Kallis
5.AB
6.JP
7.Bouch
8.M.Morkel
9.Harris
10.Steyn
11. De Wet
:p After boucher I only slotted them in in random order :D
Also de Wet looked a tad better than Steyn batting wise;)
Of course I'd drop Ntini 5 tests ago, but we're not allowed to. ;)
:p Like I said I would like to see that team.... not that it would happen ;)
Sting
23-12-2009, 01:02 PM
I would also go with that team. There is no time or place for sentiment in Test cricket. If Steyn is fit, he comes into the team for Ntini.
stefan9
23-12-2009, 01:08 PM
:p After boucher I only slotted them in in random order :D
Also de Wet looked a tad better than Steyn batting wise;)
:p Like I said I would like to see that team.... not that it would happen ;)
Dale has an 86 vs aus.;)
Also de Wet looked a tad better than Steyn batting wise;)
:p Like I said I would like to see that team.... not that it would happen ;)
Dale has an 86 vs aus.;)
Devill
23-12-2009, 01:11 PM
Dale has an 86 vs aus.;)
Yes and Gillespie has a 200* ;) Don't see him at nr 5 do we :p:D
Yes and Gillespie has a 200* ;) Don't see him at nr 5 do we :p:D
alf101
23-12-2009, 01:26 PM
:p After boucher I only slotted them in in random order :D
Also de Wet looked a tad better than Steyn batting wise;)
:p Like I said I would like to see that team.... not that it would happen ;)
Micky etc, want Ntini to retire.
They're leaving him out out ODI's and T20's, but he doesn't get the hint.
That way he doesn't get dropped.
Pollock eventually got the hint when they left him out of a few tests.
Also de Wet looked a tad better than Steyn batting wise;)
:p Like I said I would like to see that team.... not that it would happen ;)
Micky etc, want Ntini to retire.
They're leaving him out out ODI's and T20's, but he doesn't get the hint.
That way he doesn't get dropped.
Pollock eventually got the hint when they left him out of a few tests.
stefan9
23-12-2009, 01:28 PM
Yes and Gillespie has a 200* ;) Don't see him at nr 5 do we :p:D
But we weren't comparing dizzy and a top order batsmen, we were comparing two similar tailenders.
De Wet has a first class average of 15 with a strike rate of 41 and one 50. Steyn has an average of 13 with a strikerate of 51 and 3 50's.
Friedel is likely to hang around longer while Dale is more likely to score. So for me Dale should bat ahead of him.
But we weren't comparing dizzy and a top order batsmen, we were comparing two similar tailenders.
De Wet has a first class average of 15 with a strike rate of 41 and one 50. Steyn has an average of 13 with a strikerate of 51 and 3 50's.
Friedel is likely to hang around longer while Dale is more likely to score. So for me Dale should bat ahead of him.
Sting
23-12-2009, 01:34 PM
Micky etc, want Ntini to retire.
They're leaving him out out ODI's and T20's, but he doesn't get the hint.
Political suicide??? Imagine the backlash on Christmas Day when Mickey and Biff hand their team sheet to the CSA chiefs.
They're leaving him out out ODI's and T20's, but he doesn't get the hint.
Political suicide??? Imagine the backlash on Christmas Day when Mickey and Biff hand their team sheet to the CSA chiefs.
dequadin
23-12-2009, 01:37 PM
Any Charl Langeveldt fans? I'd put him in over Morkel.
Devill
23-12-2009, 01:38 PM
Political suicide??? Imagine the backlash on Christmas Day when Mickey and Biff hand their team sheet to the CSA chiefs.
+1 :(
But we weren't comparing dizzy and a top order batsmen, we were comparing two similar tailenders.
De Wet has a first class average of 15 with a strike rate of 41 and one 50. Steyn has an average of 13 with a strikerate of 51 and 3 50's.
Friedel is likely to hang around longer while Dale is more likely to score. So for me Dale should bat ahead of him.
Dale should come in at 11 as he will play the shots against a more attacking field so his scoring will be helped.
Friedel should come in with a proper batsmen still there if possible.
+1 :(
But we weren't comparing dizzy and a top order batsmen, we were comparing two similar tailenders.
De Wet has a first class average of 15 with a strike rate of 41 and one 50. Steyn has an average of 13 with a strikerate of 51 and 3 50's.
Friedel is likely to hang around longer while Dale is more likely to score. So for me Dale should bat ahead of him.
Dale should come in at 11 as he will play the shots against a more attacking field so his scoring will be helped.
Friedel should come in with a proper batsmen still there if possible.
Sting
23-12-2009, 01:38 PM
Any Charl Langeveldt fans? I'd put him in over Morkel.
Charl - injured? Is he playing tonight's MTN40 game?
Charl - injured? Is he playing tonight's MTN40 game?
Devill
23-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Any Charl Langeveldt fans? I'd put him in over Morkel.
In tests? No way. Also he is becoming a tad on the old side.
In tests? No way. Also he is becoming a tad on the old side.
stefan9
23-12-2009, 01:40 PM
Any Charl Langeveldt fans? I'd put him in over Morkel.
Based on what?? He isn't even in the top 20 bowlers in the super sport series. There is no way langeveld is a better test bowler than morkel. Odi and t20 yes but not tests.
Based on what?? He isn't even in the top 20 bowlers in the super sport series. There is no way langeveld is a better test bowler than morkel. Odi and t20 yes but not tests.
dequadin
23-12-2009, 01:46 PM
Based on what?? He isn't even in the top 20 bowlers in the super sport series. There is no way langeveld is a better test bowler than morkel. Odi and t20 yes but not tests.
I've just always liked the guy. He only play 6 tests, but he took 16 wickets (including one 5 wicket haul) which isn't too bad. His bowling average was quite bad.
Plus he's different, swings the ball.
I've just always liked the guy. He only play 6 tests, but he took 16 wickets (including one 5 wicket haul) which isn't too bad. His bowling average was quite bad.
Plus he's different, swings the ball.
Devill
23-12-2009, 01:51 PM
I've just always liked the guy. He only play 6 tests, but he took 16 wickets (including one 5 wicket haul) which isn't too bad. His bowling average was quite bad.
Plus he's different, swings the ball.
So does steyn... at 20km/h faster ;)
Plus he's different, swings the ball.
So does steyn... at 20km/h faster ;)
dequadin
23-12-2009, 01:59 PM
So does steyn... at 20km/h faster ;)
lol, I'm talking about 3rd/4th bowlers..
Steyn is the man, no one can argue with that.
lol, I'm talking about 3rd/4th bowlers..
Steyn is the man, no one can argue with that.
Devill
23-12-2009, 02:04 PM
lol, I'm talking about 3rd/4th bowlers..
Steyn is the man, no one can argue with that.
Friedel can also swing it and bowls at 150...
Morkel gets bounch of a length delivery and lets face it he is only 25 yo.
Dropping him and then putting him back and then dropping him is making him bowl ***... Stick with him for a series or do not call him do do duty.
Also he really has that magic delivery that very few bowlers have... Ask a couple of the english top men who lost their wickets to him ;)
Steyn is the man, no one can argue with that.
Friedel can also swing it and bowls at 150...
Morkel gets bounch of a length delivery and lets face it he is only 25 yo.
Dropping him and then putting him back and then dropping him is making him bowl ***... Stick with him for a series or do not call him do do duty.
Also he really has that magic delivery that very few bowlers have... Ask a couple of the english top men who lost their wickets to him ;)
stefan9
23-12-2009, 02:07 PM
Kallis also swings it at the same pace as langeveld.
I wouldn't drop morkel. He is too much a danger especially to strauss to not have in the team.
I wouldn't drop morkel. He is too much a danger especially to strauss to not have in the team.
dequadin
23-12-2009, 02:13 PM
Interesting opinions, maybe I'm living in the past..
Devill
23-12-2009, 02:31 PM
Interesting opinions, maybe I'm living in the past..
:p Nha everyone has their own opinion... its just I believe morkel is the future together with parnell
:p Nha everyone has their own opinion... its just I believe morkel is the future together with parnell
killadoob
24-12-2009, 05:00 PM
Looks like india is going to cruise to victory.
Man what a series :D.
Man what a series :D.
LancelotSA
24-12-2009, 05:02 PM
Ntini certain to play at Durban
South Africa captain Graeme Smith has assured Makhaya Ntini of his starting place in the second Test against England at Durban even if Dale Steyn recovers from his hamstring injury. Ntini's poor return of two wickets in his 100th match at Centurion, coupled with Friedel de Wet's impressive debut, started a debate about who would drop out should Steyn be fit.
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/story/440898.html
South Africa captain Graeme Smith has assured Makhaya Ntini of his starting place in the second Test against England at Durban even if Dale Steyn recovers from his hamstring injury. Ntini's poor return of two wickets in his 100th match at Centurion, coupled with Friedel de Wet's impressive debut, started a debate about who would drop out should Steyn be fit.
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/story/440898.html
killadoob
24-12-2009, 06:03 PM
Yup they are going to cruise to victory. Tons for 2 players :D. Shame you would think 315 is a good score but not when playing india haha.
AirWolf
25-12-2009, 08:40 PM
http://static.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/111800/111862.2.jpg
On Christmas day, Jacques Kallis and Kevin Pietersen make one for the camera as they leave training in Durban © Getty Images
On Christmas day, Jacques Kallis and Kevin Pietersen make one for the camera as they leave training in Durban © Getty Images
chiskop
25-12-2009, 08:46 PM
Kallis should be careful. I heard KP bats for the other team, if you know what I mean...
Oh yeah. Steyn playing. In for deWet, sentimental choice Ntini keeps his place.
Oh yeah. Steyn playing. In for deWet, sentimental choice Ntini keeps his place.
LancelotSA
25-12-2009, 08:46 PM
http://static.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/111800/111862.2.jpg
They were chatting about when Kevin should take another suicidal single... Kevin is also apologising for the fact that he tried his best to win it for his country but Onions just would not play along and give away his wicket too! :D
Did you see the other picture of the four monkeys the other day?
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/111800/111803.2.jpg
They were chatting about when Kevin should take another suicidal single... Kevin is also apologising for the fact that he tried his best to win it for his country but Onions just would not play along and give away his wicket too! :D
Did you see the other picture of the four monkeys the other day?
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/111800/111803.2.jpg
LancelotSA
25-12-2009, 08:55 PM
Excellent game of cricket! Mental edge to SA for the next test.
what mental edge? they couldnt take the last wicket and england stole it, they were celebrating not us
....cricinfo...
Series open but hosts have the edge
At Cardiff at the start of England's Ashes summer, a similar scenario had felt like a victory, given the extent to which England had been outplayed throughout that contest. This time, however, there was no way that England could claim to have emerged from Centurion with momentum. As Andrew Strauss admitted at the end of the game, it was pretty embarrassing to have got themselves into such a predicament in the first place.
'England draw relief, not momentum'
what mental edge? they couldnt take the last wicket and england stole it, they were celebrating not us
....cricinfo...
Series open but hosts have the edge
At Cardiff at the start of England's Ashes summer, a similar scenario had felt like a victory, given the extent to which England had been outplayed throughout that contest. This time, however, there was no way that England could claim to have emerged from Centurion with momentum. As Andrew Strauss admitted at the end of the game, it was pretty embarrassing to have got themselves into such a predicament in the first place.
'England draw relief, not momentum'
chiskop
25-12-2009, 09:02 PM
LOL at the picture of the four monkeys.
chiskop
26-12-2009, 06:46 AM
Lol, Australia's inability to score centuries continues:
Mohammad Aamer to Katich, OUT, run out! forcing off the back foot to cover, Watson runs through for the single, Katich takes a few steps down before retreating, both batsmen end up at the same end with the throw into the bowler's end to affect the run out, neither batsmen wants to leave and replays suggest both got to the striker's end at the same time. Watson is the one ruled out.
SR Watson run out 93 (191b 11x4 0x6) SR: 48.69
Nothing warms the heart like the umpires having to consult the third umpire to see which Aussie to give out. Almost a dead heat. :D
Mohammad Aamer to Katich, OUT, run out! forcing off the back foot to cover, Watson runs through for the single, Katich takes a few steps down before retreating, both batsmen end up at the same end with the throw into the bowler's end to affect the run out, neither batsmen wants to leave and replays suggest both got to the striker's end at the same time. Watson is the one ruled out.
SR Watson run out 93 (191b 11x4 0x6) SR: 48.69
Nothing warms the heart like the umpires having to consult the third umpire to see which Aussie to give out. Almost a dead heat. :D
chiskop
26-12-2009, 07:36 AM
Lol. Katich out for 98.
AirWolf
26-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Kallis should be careful. I heard KP bats for the other team, if you know what I mean...
Oh yeah. Steyn playing. In for deWet, sentimental choice Ntini keeps his place.
They make an interesting couple - check Kallis' ... uh... mammary glands:wtf:.
Oh yeah. Steyn playing. In for deWet, sentimental choice Ntini keeps his place.
They make an interesting couple - check Kallis' ... uh... mammary glands:wtf:.
Sting
26-12-2009, 07:50 AM
Nothing warms the heart like the umpires having to consult the third umpire to see which Aussie to give out. Almost a dead heat. :D
Should have given them duelling pistols to let them decide who is out!! Last man standing bats on :)
Should have given them duelling pistols to let them decide who is out!! Last man standing bats on :)
Chris
26-12-2009, 09:24 AM
Ntini certain to play at Durban
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/story/440898.html
Jeez what a bad choice. Why are our selectors and coaches so nostalgic? Just let him go...he's past his prime and is becoming more of a liability than an asset to the team.
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/story/440898.html
Jeez what a bad choice. Why are our selectors and coaches so nostalgic? Just let him go...he's past his prime and is becoming more of a liability than an asset to the team.
chiskop
26-12-2009, 09:32 AM
Just checked the weather - a minimum of 35% chance of rain every day of the test. :(
Between that and the sentinimental choice for the attack, my money's on a draw.
Edit: Strauss loses eighth toss in a row.
Between that and the sentinimental choice for the attack, my money's on a draw.
Edit: Strauss loses eighth toss in a row.
Sting
26-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Friedel out - Dale in. Proteas won the toss and are batting first.
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 09:38 AM
Jeez what a bad choice. Why are our selectors and coaches so nostalgic? Just let him go...he's past his prime and is becoming more of a liability than an asset to the team.
In case you have forgotten we live in South Africa. There is more than just cricket at play here.
In case you have forgotten we live in South Africa. There is more than just cricket at play here.
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 09:45 AM
Just checked the weather - a minimum of 35% chance of rain every day of the test. :(
This is Durban at the "height" of summer. There is bound to be rain most days, at least afternoon thunder showers or a night of rain.
windguru (the surfer/windsurfer/diver bible) shows the following in terms of rain :
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/Clipboard0120.jpg
Sat 8pm 0.8mm
Sun 5am 3.5mm (that is quite a bit)
Sun 8pm 0.5mm
Mon 5am 1mm
Tues 2pm 0.3mm
Wed 5am 0.7mm
Wed 8am 0.5mm
Wed 8pm 0.5mm
This is Durban at the "height" of summer. There is bound to be rain most days, at least afternoon thunder showers or a night of rain.
windguru (the surfer/windsurfer/diver bible) shows the following in terms of rain :
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/Clipboard0120.jpg
Sat 8pm 0.8mm
Sun 5am 3.5mm (that is quite a bit)
Sun 8pm 0.5mm
Mon 5am 1mm
Tues 2pm 0.3mm
Wed 5am 0.7mm
Wed 8am 0.5mm
Wed 8pm 0.5mm
chiskop
26-12-2009, 09:49 AM
Nice. That is a lot more detailed that I'd been looking at.
Sting
26-12-2009, 09:53 AM
windguru (the surfer/windsurfer/diver bible)
and fishermen!
and fishermen!
Devill
26-12-2009, 10:19 AM
Prince got a brilliant ball. Shame in his 50th.
Sting
26-12-2009, 10:21 AM
We need to push through the 1st session without losing 3 wickets and then the runs will flow. Always a bit tough first up at Kingsmead.
Devill
26-12-2009, 10:30 AM
We need to push through the 1st session without losing 3 wickets and then the runs will flow. Always a bit tough first up at Kingsmead.
Aye. The ball is swinging and seaming miles.... Not easy to bat against some good bowling from england.
Aye. The ball is swinging and seaming miles.... Not easy to bat against some good bowling from england.
mm001
26-12-2009, 10:38 AM
Was it me that missed the toss on SS2 or did they not show it ?
Sting
26-12-2009, 10:39 AM
Was shown - around 9h30.
chiskop
26-12-2009, 10:39 AM
It was you.
mm001
26-12-2009, 10:43 AM
That means the dialogue between Peter and Kepler just before the first ball was not live. They mentioned that the captain that wins the toss ......
chiskop
26-12-2009, 10:45 AM
bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger
Picard
26-12-2009, 11:08 AM
What is wrong with us. Why is it impossible for us to have a solid start at least some of the times. We always set ourselves up to perform crisis management for the greatest part of the game.
Bizkit87
26-12-2009, 11:20 AM
why are we batting first when we knew the outfield would be slow/wet, and all the rain would have caused the pitch to bounce/move???
bad choice by Smith? guess we'll find out?
bad choice by Smith? guess we'll find out?
Devill
26-12-2009, 12:07 PM
What is wrong with us. Why is it impossible for us to have a solid start at least some of the times. We always set ourselves up to perform crisis management for the greatest part of the game.
Well on this pitch with these bowlers it would always be hard not to lose a wicket or two in the first session.
The English bowlers are really good at getting the ball to swing and the weather as well as the pitch has assisted them in making the ball move through the air and off the pitch.
why are we batting first when we knew the outfield would be slow/wet, and all the rain would have caused the pitch to bounce/move???
bad choice by Smith? guess we'll find out?
Not batting last on a pitch is worth more than 20 or 30 runs......
Well on this pitch with these bowlers it would always be hard not to lose a wicket or two in the first session.
The English bowlers are really good at getting the ball to swing and the weather as well as the pitch has assisted them in making the ball move through the air and off the pitch.
why are we batting first when we knew the outfield would be slow/wet, and all the rain would have caused the pitch to bounce/move???
bad choice by Smith? guess we'll find out?
Not batting last on a pitch is worth more than 20 or 30 runs......
stefan9
26-12-2009, 02:50 PM
why are we batting first when we knew the outfield would be slow/wet, and all the rain would have caused the pitch to bounce/move???
bad choice by Smith? guess we'll find out?
Because it would only move for the first session. If you get through it as smith and kallis has shown it becomes easy and will be harder to bat last on.
bad choice by Smith? guess we'll find out?
Because it would only move for the first session. If you get through it as smith and kallis has shown it becomes easy and will be harder to bat last on.
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 03:49 PM
This is why cricket just pisses me off! It doesn't even need to rain for play to be called off.
The sun rises at around 4:50am in Durban at the moment! Why don't these lazy bloody professionals wake up a little earlier and start playing at 8am if need be! It is common after a long hot day like today for the clouds to come over and to get a little rain and then we get bad light stopping play.
The sun rises at around 4:50am in Durban at the moment! Why don't these lazy bloody professionals wake up a little earlier and start playing at 8am if need be! It is common after a long hot day like today for the clouds to come over and to get a little rain and then we get bad light stopping play.
feo
26-12-2009, 03:56 PM
I love Supersport HD.
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 03:57 PM
I love Supersport HD.
Why do you get to see the raindrops and blades of grass clearer than the rest of us?
Why do you get to see the raindrops and blades of grass clearer than the rest of us?
feo
26-12-2009, 03:59 PM
Why do you get to see the raindrops and blades of grass clearer than the rest of us?
Don't hate.. :D
Don't hate.. :D
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Don't hate.. :D
:D
No, seriously, it was a genuine question ;)
I am seriously the type though who cannot see the benefit of paying a premium for something like this. I will still sometimes listen to the cricket on the radio as it allows me to imagine the scene. The mind is capable of filling in all the blanks. Get fed everything in minute detail and soon your brain dies from lack of use :D
:D
No, seriously, it was a genuine question ;)
I am seriously the type though who cannot see the benefit of paying a premium for something like this. I will still sometimes listen to the cricket on the radio as it allows me to imagine the scene. The mind is capable of filling in all the blanks. Get fed everything in minute detail and soon your brain dies from lack of use :D
feo
26-12-2009, 04:16 PM
:D
No, seriously, it was a genuine question ;)
I am seriously the type though who cannot see the benefit of paying a premium for something like this. I will still sometimes listen to the cricket on the radio as it allows me to imagine the scene. The mind is capable of filling in all the blanks. Get fed everything in minute detail and soon your brain dies from lack of use :D
OK, I don't wanna derail this thread with talk of HD but just to answer your question, HD is the ONLY way I will watch sports now. Changing over to SS2 was PAINFUL to say the least after watching the morning session in HD.
You're not gonna be paying any premium if you already have DStv, if you want PVR functionality it's an extra R60 (bloody ripoff because the decoder is capable of it whether you pay the R60 or not but anyways).
It's well worth it for sports Lance: EPL looks amazing, so does the cricket and they're not kidding when they say the color is more vivid...it really is. Not to mention that everything is in WS...no stretching and other crap.
No, seriously, it was a genuine question ;)
I am seriously the type though who cannot see the benefit of paying a premium for something like this. I will still sometimes listen to the cricket on the radio as it allows me to imagine the scene. The mind is capable of filling in all the blanks. Get fed everything in minute detail and soon your brain dies from lack of use :D
OK, I don't wanna derail this thread with talk of HD but just to answer your question, HD is the ONLY way I will watch sports now. Changing over to SS2 was PAINFUL to say the least after watching the morning session in HD.
You're not gonna be paying any premium if you already have DStv, if you want PVR functionality it's an extra R60 (bloody ripoff because the decoder is capable of it whether you pay the R60 or not but anyways).
It's well worth it for sports Lance: EPL looks amazing, so does the cricket and they're not kidding when they say the color is more vivid...it really is. Not to mention that everything is in WS...no stretching and other crap.
AirWolf
26-12-2009, 04:17 PM
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:wtf: My Grade 12 English teacher used to tell us never to use that word, because that is what gay men do to each other :whistle:.
:wtf: My Grade 12 English teacher used to tell us never to use that word, because that is what gay men do to each other :whistle:.
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 04:19 PM
You're not gonna be paying any premium if you already have DStv, if you want PVR functionality it's an extra R60 (bloody ripoff because the decoder is capable of it whether you pay the R60 or not but anyways).
It is raining so I think we can risk a little derail... it does cost more to get an HD tv and then don't you also need an HD decoder?
EDIT: Oh and we also needn't worry about derailing as some people seem to have taken to discussing Australia, Pakistan and India on this "England tour to South Africa" thread anyway and they felt nothing doing so!
It is raining so I think we can risk a little derail... it does cost more to get an HD tv and then don't you also need an HD decoder?
EDIT: Oh and we also needn't worry about derailing as some people seem to have taken to discussing Australia, Pakistan and India on this "England tour to South Africa" thread anyway and they felt nothing doing so!
feo
26-12-2009, 04:22 PM
It is raining so I think we can risk a little derail... it does cost more to get an HD tv and then don't you also need an HD decoder?
EDIT: Oh and we also needn't worry about derailing as some people seem to have taken to discussing Australia, Pakistan and India on this "England tour to South Africa" thread anyway and they felt nothing doing so!
OK, so the slight derail is justified then. :D
Well obviously an HDTV costs more but it's not mindblowingly expensive...R2699 at Game at the moment is the cheapest. 40"+ HDTV's are R10k and up but during the festive season and I would assume well into January, there's these combo specials where you get an HDTV + HDPVR (with installation I think)...a saving of R1000 or so depending on which combo you take.
EDIT: Oh and we also needn't worry about derailing as some people seem to have taken to discussing Australia, Pakistan and India on this "England tour to South Africa" thread anyway and they felt nothing doing so!
OK, so the slight derail is justified then. :D
Well obviously an HDTV costs more but it's not mindblowingly expensive...R2699 at Game at the moment is the cheapest. 40"+ HDTV's are R10k and up but during the festive season and I would assume well into January, there's these combo specials where you get an HDTV + HDPVR (with installation I think)...a saving of R1000 or so depending on which combo you take.
Sting
26-12-2009, 04:25 PM
EDIT: Oh and we also needn't worry about derailing as some people seem to have taken to discussing Australia, Pakistan and India on this "England tour to South Africa" thread anyway and they felt nothing doing so!
:whistle:
Anyone watching the footie? Chelsea are struggling!! :D
:whistle:
Anyone watching the footie? Chelsea are struggling!! :D
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 04:35 PM
...and another cricket bitch!
Why do the umpires always only refer to the light meter just after a wicket falls. How can the light be totally fine. A wicket falls and then all of a sudden it is too dark!
And by the way the sun is out again and shining brightly in the upper highway area.
Why do the umpires always only refer to the light meter just after a wicket falls. How can the light be totally fine. A wicket falls and then all of a sudden it is too dark!
And by the way the sun is out again and shining brightly in the upper highway area.
Sting
26-12-2009, 04:36 PM
...and another cricket bitch!
Why do the umpires always only refer to the light meter just after a wicket falls. How can the light be totally fine. A wicket falls and then all of a sudden it is too dark!
And by the way the sun is out again and shining brightly in the upper highway area.
This is every cricketer's gripe as well.
/when they are batting!!!
Why do the umpires always only refer to the light meter just after a wicket falls. How can the light be totally fine. A wicket falls and then all of a sudden it is too dark!
And by the way the sun is out again and shining brightly in the upper highway area.
This is every cricketer's gripe as well.
/when they are batting!!!
chiskop
26-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Jeez guys, can we stay on topic please? ;)
stefan9
26-12-2009, 04:51 PM
AB needs to get us a big one tomorrow. Really a big blow to lose kallis,smith and jp just before the close.
Chris
26-12-2009, 05:30 PM
Why do you get to see the raindrops and blades of grass clearer than the rest of us?
Well if it makes you feel better, my family have HD and I don't see that much of a difference to be honest. Yes, the pictures are a bit clearer, but I don't think it really justifies the cost. Also, until recently, there was only one HD channel which was used for a variety of stuff - movies, documentaries, sport etc. But there are dedicated Supersport & Discovery channels now. I personally wish they could have put the History Channel on HD... World War 2 explosions :whistle: ...maybe then I might appreciate the 'HD' experience ;)
Well if it makes you feel better, my family have HD and I don't see that much of a difference to be honest. Yes, the pictures are a bit clearer, but I don't think it really justifies the cost. Also, until recently, there was only one HD channel which was used for a variety of stuff - movies, documentaries, sport etc. But there are dedicated Supersport & Discovery channels now. I personally wish they could have put the History Channel on HD... World War 2 explosions :whistle: ...maybe then I might appreciate the 'HD' experience ;)
Smurfatefrog
26-12-2009, 05:43 PM
Well if it makes you feel better, my family have HD and I don't see that much of a difference to be honest. Yes, the pictures are a bit clearer, but I don't think it really justifies the cost. Also, until recently, there was only one HD channel which was used for a variety of stuff - movies, documentaries, sport etc. But there are dedicated Supersport & Discovery channels now. I personally wish they could have put the History Channel on HD... World War 2 explosions :whistle: ...maybe then I might appreciate the 'HD' experience ;)
A bit clearer? its miles different. Widescreen & clear. Oh ja those WW2 battles are all available in HD, i think they just trying to find the HD footage of the Anglo Boer war & then we'll get an HD history channel
Rather painful day at the cricket, long beer queues & slow cricket even though the 3rd wicket partnership did cheer things up a bit, was hoping for 2 centuries after tea :(
A bit clearer? its miles different. Widescreen & clear. Oh ja those WW2 battles are all available in HD, i think they just trying to find the HD footage of the Anglo Boer war & then we'll get an HD history channel
Rather painful day at the cricket, long beer queues & slow cricket even though the 3rd wicket partnership did cheer things up a bit, was hoping for 2 centuries after tea :(
feo
26-12-2009, 05:54 PM
Yup, especially content on SSHD...it's worlds apart from it's SD equivalent on SS2 and SS3.
Chris
26-12-2009, 05:58 PM
I'll watch very closely tomorrow between SSHD and SS2...although I must admit for the EPL matches, SS3 did look quite 'blotchy' compared to HD.
Sting
26-12-2009, 07:01 PM
Warriors made 292/5 in their 40 overs. Playing the Lions at axxess St George's park.
LancelotSA
26-12-2009, 07:39 PM
Apparently there is some soccer on one of the SS channels and they are even showing some Jukskei if anyone wants something else to discuss in this thread!
;)
;)
killadoob
27-12-2009, 07:39 AM
What is jukskei?
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 08:22 AM
What is jukskei?
its a voortrekker sport, you have to throw a thingy in the sand, its fun to play takes a lot of co-ordination.
its a voortrekker sport, you have to throw a thingy in the sand, its fun to play takes a lot of co-ordination.
Picard
27-12-2009, 08:37 AM
This is why cricket just pisses me off! It doesn't even need to rain for play to be called off.
The sun rises at around 4:50am in Durban at the moment! Why don't these lazy bloody professionals wake up a little earlier and start playing at 8am if need be! It is common after a long hot day like today for the clouds to come over and to get a little rain and then we get bad light stopping play.
Been saying that to people for some time now. SA is not big enough to be span two time zones but there is about a 45min difference in daylight between the very east and the very west. The chief bozos should take this into account.
...and another cricket bitch!
Why do the umpires always only refer to the light meter just after a wicket falls. How can the light be totally fine. A wicket falls and then all of a sudden it is too dark!
And by the way the sun is out again and shining brightly in the upper highway area.
Yeah, If they refer to the light meter after a wicket falls, and it is then too dark, then they should actually give the wicket back to the batting side.
The sun rises at around 4:50am in Durban at the moment! Why don't these lazy bloody professionals wake up a little earlier and start playing at 8am if need be! It is common after a long hot day like today for the clouds to come over and to get a little rain and then we get bad light stopping play.
Been saying that to people for some time now. SA is not big enough to be span two time zones but there is about a 45min difference in daylight between the very east and the very west. The chief bozos should take this into account.
...and another cricket bitch!
Why do the umpires always only refer to the light meter just after a wicket falls. How can the light be totally fine. A wicket falls and then all of a sudden it is too dark!
And by the way the sun is out again and shining brightly in the upper highway area.
Yeah, If they refer to the light meter after a wicket falls, and it is then too dark, then they should actually give the wicket back to the batting side.
alf101
27-12-2009, 08:52 AM
They start 30 min early, that is progress. :)
LancelotSA
27-12-2009, 08:59 AM
They start 30 min early, that is progress. :)
...and they are going to manage to bowl the missing 29 overs in 30 minutes? ;)
...and they are going to manage to bowl the missing 29 overs in 30 minutes? ;)
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 09:11 AM
overate is about 15 per hour, so if we start 30min early every day then we make up for it
Chris
27-12-2009, 09:21 AM
overate is about 15 per hour, so if we start 30min early every day then we make up for it
That is of course assuming that there's no rain in the morning though...or at any other time.
That is of course assuming that there's no rain in the morning though...or at any other time.
Smurfatefrog
27-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Today will only be about 60 overs again if we lucky
sox63
27-12-2009, 09:44 AM
Gripping test cricket! AB owes us a double ton for that Smith run out...
sand_man
27-12-2009, 10:06 AM
Today will only be about 60 overs again if we lucky
Test cricket needs to reinvent itself.
1.) Day/Night test cricket-I said it years ago!!
2.) Lights need to come on sooner especially at Kingsmead
3.) Lose the white fatigues so that we can play with the white ball (see Pt 1)...
I would also like to see 2 innings per team of maximum 90 overs. Whoever's ahead after 2 innings of 90 Overs maximum wins, therefore no draws.
Lost time through bad weather to be made up, day/night format so time can be made up...
I appreciate the draw and the fight that sometimes accompanies earning the draw is an intricate facet of test cricket but the need for a more definitive result is imperative if test cricket is to grow.
Test cricket needs to reinvent itself.
1.) Day/Night test cricket-I said it years ago!!
2.) Lights need to come on sooner especially at Kingsmead
3.) Lose the white fatigues so that we can play with the white ball (see Pt 1)...
I would also like to see 2 innings per team of maximum 90 overs. Whoever's ahead after 2 innings of 90 Overs maximum wins, therefore no draws.
Lost time through bad weather to be made up, day/night format so time can be made up...
I appreciate the draw and the fight that sometimes accompanies earning the draw is an intricate facet of test cricket but the need for a more definitive result is imperative if test cricket is to grow.
Picard
27-12-2009, 12:12 PM
1.) Day/Night test cricket-I said it years ago!!
2.) Lights need to come on sooner especially at Kingsmead
3.) Lose the white fatigues so that we can play with the white ball (see Pt 1)...
Robin Jackman mentioned that there some thought given to an orange ball to be used for during the day but that will also remain visible enough during the twilight hours and even at night.
A lekker shocking orange will look nice.
2.) Lights need to come on sooner especially at Kingsmead
3.) Lose the white fatigues so that we can play with the white ball (see Pt 1)...
Robin Jackman mentioned that there some thought given to an orange ball to be used for during the day but that will also remain visible enough during the twilight hours and even at night.
A lekker shocking orange will look nice.
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 12:15 PM
man I love Jeffrey Boycott bashing the politicians on their 'remove the past test cricket as if it never happend'
Sting
27-12-2009, 12:39 PM
Yes, Geoffrey Boycott is brutal!! A bit repetitive but a pleasure to hear. I love it when he says "me moom could do better than that"!!
Chris
27-12-2009, 12:39 PM
man I love Jeffrey Boycott bashing the politicians on their 'remove the past test cricket as if it never happend'
Haha, Geoffrey Boycott is the most legendary commentator ever! All the other presenters fail in comparison. He always has something amusing or interesting to say.
Haha, Geoffrey Boycott is the most legendary commentator ever! All the other presenters fail in comparison. He always has something amusing or interesting to say.
Devill
27-12-2009, 12:40 PM
What is jukskei?
Boere version of french bowls.
http://www.chatel.com/images/info_pages/chatel-ZIBLOCNE-ZPETANQUE-0001.jpg
...and they are going to manage to bowl the missing 29 overs in 30 minutes? ;)
Problem is you can not risk a team bowling 120 overs in a day....
Boere version of french bowls.
http://www.chatel.com/images/info_pages/chatel-ZIBLOCNE-ZPETANQUE-0001.jpg
...and they are going to manage to bowl the missing 29 overs in 30 minutes? ;)
Problem is you can not risk a team bowling 120 overs in a day....
Devill
27-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Goooooooooooo steyn!
milomak
27-12-2009, 01:25 PM
haha this partnership. giving us a highly competitive total. hope dale gets his 50.
Devill
27-12-2009, 01:36 PM
haha this partnership. giving us a highly competitive total. hope dale gets his 50.
:(
He deserved it....
Well done Ntini and steyn!
:(
He deserved it....
Well done Ntini and steyn!
talentedone
27-12-2009, 02:05 PM
I have not watched SA cricket for a while so imagine how shocked I was when I tuned in and saw how fat Makhaya Ntini has become, He must be the fgattest bowler in the world right now. And just as I was noticing that the commentator raised the issue of Makhaya have lost a lot of pace in his bowling to to ageing. Makhaya needs to retire gracefully while still in the top levels of International cricket it's very funny watching him run with that big butt behind. By the way I'm black so this is not a racists rant
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 02:14 PM
Haha, Geoffrey Boycott is the most legendary commentator ever! All the other presenters fail in comparison. He always has something amusing or interesting to say.
+10000
I wish they would make him SA team selector or something, he knows his cricket, use to be a legendary player too :D
I wouldn't want to be k@ked out by him :D
+10000
I wish they would make him SA team selector or something, he knows his cricket, use to be a legendary player too :D
I wouldn't want to be k@ked out by him :D
sand_man
27-12-2009, 02:34 PM
Not a good start for our bowlers. We not looking very threatening at all.
Remember Anderson and Onions at the start of play yesterday and the trouble we had early on??!!! English openers are cruising!!!!! Damn it man!!!!!
Remember Anderson and Onions at the start of play yesterday and the trouble we had early on??!!! English openers are cruising!!!!! Damn it man!!!!!
Kilgore_Trout_Redux
27-12-2009, 02:40 PM
Yep, our bowlers are looking completely toothless.
Devill
27-12-2009, 02:48 PM
I have not watched SA cricket for a while so imagine how shocked I was when I tuned in and saw how fat Makhaya Ntini has become, He must be the fgattest bowler in the world right now. And just as I was noticing that the commentator raised the issue of Makhaya have lost a lot of pace in his bowling to to ageing. Makhaya needs to retire gracefully while still in the top levels of International cricket it's very funny watching him run with that big butt behind. By the way I'm black so this is not a racists rant
+1. At current form he should not be there.
As a front line bowler only getting 39 wickets in the last 11 tests is just not good enough.
Not a good start for our bowlers. We not looking very threatening at all.
Remember Anderson and Onions at the start of play yesterday and the trouble we had early on??!!! English openers are cruising!!!!! Damn it man!!!!!
Yep, our bowlers are looking completely toothless.
The pitch is wet and the ball as well. Thus no swing and no seam movement.
Not the bowlers fault. Actually wished we could have come off to keep the ball hard and to keep the pitch covered....
+1. At current form he should not be there.
As a front line bowler only getting 39 wickets in the last 11 tests is just not good enough.
Not a good start for our bowlers. We not looking very threatening at all.
Remember Anderson and Onions at the start of play yesterday and the trouble we had early on??!!! English openers are cruising!!!!! Damn it man!!!!!
Yep, our bowlers are looking completely toothless.
The pitch is wet and the ball as well. Thus no swing and no seam movement.
Not the bowlers fault. Actually wished we could have come off to keep the ball hard and to keep the pitch covered....
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 03:06 PM
but shouldnt the cloudy durban weather assist swing a lot?
LancelotSA
27-12-2009, 03:33 PM
Robin Jackman mentioned that there some thought given to an orange ball to be used for during the day but that will also remain visible enough during the twilight hours and even at night.
A lekker shocking orange will look nice.
I've seen them playing around with pink cricket balls for ODIs as they are apparently more visible to the TV cameras. They did a demo on TV once.
Wiki has some interesting comments on the orange balls :
Cricket balls are traditionally dyed red, and red balls are used in Test cricket and First-class cricket. White balls were introduced when one-day matches began being played at night under floodlights, as they are more visible at night. Professional one-day matches are now played with white balls, even when they are not played at night. Other colours have occasionally been experimented with, such as yellow and orange for improved night visibility, but the colouring process has so far rendered such balls unsuitable for professional play because they wear differently to standard balls. A pink ball was used for the first time in an international match in July 2009 when the England Women's team defeated Australia at Wormsley [3]. The white ball has been found to swing a lot more during the first half of the innings than the red ball and also deteriorates more quickly, although manufacturers claim that white and red balls are manufactured using the same methods and materials.
A lekker shocking orange will look nice.
I've seen them playing around with pink cricket balls for ODIs as they are apparently more visible to the TV cameras. They did a demo on TV once.
Wiki has some interesting comments on the orange balls :
Cricket balls are traditionally dyed red, and red balls are used in Test cricket and First-class cricket. White balls were introduced when one-day matches began being played at night under floodlights, as they are more visible at night. Professional one-day matches are now played with white balls, even when they are not played at night. Other colours have occasionally been experimented with, such as yellow and orange for improved night visibility, but the colouring process has so far rendered such balls unsuitable for professional play because they wear differently to standard balls. A pink ball was used for the first time in an international match in July 2009 when the England Women's team defeated Australia at Wormsley [3]. The white ball has been found to swing a lot more during the first half of the innings than the red ball and also deteriorates more quickly, although manufacturers claim that white and red balls are manufactured using the same methods and materials.
LancelotSA
27-12-2009, 03:37 PM
Strauss review.... ok now I thought unless it was conclusive the third umpire cannot over rule the onfield decision! I am not certain that was conclusive!!
Devill
27-12-2009, 03:49 PM
but shouldnt the cloudy durban weather assist swing a lot?
It does and thats why England got a lot of seam and swing....
If the ball is wet(like now) the seam goes soft and the ball doesnt seam.
If the ball is wet the "shine" also becomes soft and that keeps the ball from swinging.
It does and thats why England got a lot of seam and swing....
If the ball is wet(like now) the seam goes soft and the ball doesnt seam.
If the ball is wet the "shine" also becomes soft and that keeps the ball from swinging.
Devill
27-12-2009, 03:53 PM
Who was it that said they would drop morkel?:confused:
stefan9
27-12-2009, 04:32 PM
Really poor bowling from ntini. Anybody who has seen strauss plays knows he plays from the backfoot and is strong on the pull and cut. What does ntini do he gives him an over of short stuff to get in.
Still in a decent position but could have been so much better if we started a lot better.
Good bowling from morne.
Still in a decent position but could have been so much better if we started a lot better.
Good bowling from morne.
feo
27-12-2009, 04:36 PM
Test #3:
OUT: Ntini
IN: De Wet
OUT: Ntini
IN: De Wet
LancelotSA
27-12-2009, 04:39 PM
Test #3:
OUT: Ntini
IN: De Wet
Thus far I agree. I will, however, add that not including him for this test would have caused all sort of political outcries. The fact that he has been included and is now not performing is a good thing. He can now justifiably be dropped!
OUT: Ntini
IN: De Wet
Thus far I agree. I will, however, add that not including him for this test would have caused all sort of political outcries. The fact that he has been included and is now not performing is a good thing. He can now justifiably be dropped!
feo
27-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Thus far I agree. I will, however, add that not including him for this test would have caused all sort of political outcries. The fact that he has been included and is now not performing is a good thing. He can now justifiably be dropped!
Well it was always a political decision including Ntini over De Wet for this test. The fact that he just finished his 100th test match didn't exactly increase De Wet's chances for inclusion all that much. But centurion or not, Ntini bowled CRAP today and should be dropped.
Steyn + Morkel + De Wet = EPIC WIN
Well it was always a political decision including Ntini over De Wet for this test. The fact that he just finished his 100th test match didn't exactly increase De Wet's chances for inclusion all that much. But centurion or not, Ntini bowled CRAP today and should be dropped.
Steyn + Morkel + De Wet = EPIC WIN
Picard
27-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Only 76 overs has been played. Very disappointing.
Get a frikkin ball that is still visible in the frikkin twilight.
I know why it hasn't been done yet. Because the game is still run by a bunch of old farts that can't distinguish between progress and tradition. The game can still maintain old customs and still move forward.
Losing game-time because of stupid factors shouldn't be part of the "tradition" of the game.
Get a frikkin ball that is still visible in the frikkin twilight.
I know why it hasn't been done yet. Because the game is still run by a bunch of old farts that can't distinguish between progress and tradition. The game can still maintain old customs and still move forward.
Losing game-time because of stupid factors shouldn't be part of the "tradition" of the game.
Chris
27-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Well the bad light stopping play was predictable. Another hour of play lost. I can see this match heading for a draw. I definitely second the suggestion that play should start at 8am, this is getting ridiculous.
Did anyone hear the conversation about Test match prices around the world? Found it very interesting that Lords (95 quid) and The Oval (105 quid) could fill their stadia despite the prices, yet South Africa's most expensive ticket is R60 and we get miserable attendances (except for Newlands :p ) although yesterday's attendance was quite good. Then again I do get the feel that the profile of a typical UK cricket supporter (rich ballie) is quite different from a SA cricket supporter.
Did anyone hear the conversation about Test match prices around the world? Found it very interesting that Lords (95 quid) and The Oval (105 quid) could fill their stadia despite the prices, yet South Africa's most expensive ticket is R60 and we get miserable attendances (except for Newlands :p ) although yesterday's attendance was quite good. Then again I do get the feel that the profile of a typical UK cricket supporter (rich ballie) is quite different from a SA cricket supporter.
Picard
27-12-2009, 04:48 PM
Well the bad light stopping play was predictable. Another hour of play lost. I can see this match heading for a draw. I definitely second the suggestion that play should start at 8am, this is getting ridiculous.
Did anyone hear the conversation about Test match prices around the world? Found it very interesting that Lords (95 quid) and The Oval (105 quid) could fill their stadia despite the prices, yet South Africa's most expensive ticket is R60 and we get miserable attendances (except for Newlands :p ) although yesterday's attendance was quite good.
I know why, because the British would throw money at every chance they get to get out of their butt-ugly houses.
Did anyone hear the conversation about Test match prices around the world? Found it very interesting that Lords (95 quid) and The Oval (105 quid) could fill their stadia despite the prices, yet South Africa's most expensive ticket is R60 and we get miserable attendances (except for Newlands :p ) although yesterday's attendance was quite good.
I know why, because the British would throw money at every chance they get to get out of their butt-ugly houses.
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 04:50 PM
remind me never to watch a test match on kingsmead again.,.
feo
27-12-2009, 04:51 PM
Yeah, I heard that and was shocked...105 quid is extortion! But TBH, the locals in DBN know the weather conditions there and what's the use going if you KNOW that play will still start at 10am and at LEAST one hour of play will be lost...you're not getting value for your money -> empty ground.
If we can introduce innovations like the referral system then why not a luminous ball and early start times?
If we can introduce innovations like the referral system then why not a luminous ball and early start times?
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 04:52 PM
Well the bad light stopping play was predictable. Another hour of play lost. I can see this match heading for a draw. I definitely second the suggestion that play should start at 8am, this is getting ridiculous.
Did anyone hear the conversation about Test match prices around the world? Found it very interesting that Lords (95 quid) and The Oval (105 quid) could fill their stadia despite the prices, yet South Africa's most expensive ticket is R60 and we get miserable attendances (except for Newlands :p ) although yesterday's attendance was quite good. Then again I do get the feel that the profile of a typical UK cricket supporter (rich ballie) is quite different from a SA cricket supporter.
it shows that people in SA can't even afford R60 per person for the whole family nowadays.
take a family of 4, it costs you R180. you have to pay the car guard R20...
the food prices inside the stadium is bloody expensive too. R60 sounds decent but its a lot more then that to be honest. If the brits are stupid to pay close to R1000 for a ticket then its their problem :)
Did anyone hear the conversation about Test match prices around the world? Found it very interesting that Lords (95 quid) and The Oval (105 quid) could fill their stadia despite the prices, yet South Africa's most expensive ticket is R60 and we get miserable attendances (except for Newlands :p ) although yesterday's attendance was quite good. Then again I do get the feel that the profile of a typical UK cricket supporter (rich ballie) is quite different from a SA cricket supporter.
it shows that people in SA can't even afford R60 per person for the whole family nowadays.
take a family of 4, it costs you R180. you have to pay the car guard R20...
the food prices inside the stadium is bloody expensive too. R60 sounds decent but its a lot more then that to be honest. If the brits are stupid to pay close to R1000 for a ticket then its their problem :)
stefan9
27-12-2009, 05:02 PM
Like Boycott said tests at Durban needs to start at 9:00 not 10:00. The light is always an issue.
They also need to see if the pink ball works. It would really help at durban.
They also need to see if the pink ball works. It would really help at durban.
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 05:08 PM
Like Boycott said tests at Durban needs to start at 9:00 not 10:00. The light is always an issue.
They also need to see if the pink ball works. It would really help at durban.
pink ball >_<
They also need to see if the pink ball works. It would really help at durban.
pink ball >_<
LancelotSA
27-12-2009, 05:09 PM
Like Boycott said tests at Durban needs to start at 9:00 not 10:00. The light is always an issue.
Even earlier I say... the sun is up at 4:45! I know the concern will be what time people roll into the stadium, but who really cares if it means you get a full days cricket.
They also need to see if the pink ball works. It would really help at durban.
As far as I am aware the pink ball was only for ODIs and was mainly to benefit TV visibility.
Even earlier I say... the sun is up at 4:45! I know the concern will be what time people roll into the stadium, but who really cares if it means you get a full days cricket.
They also need to see if the pink ball works. It would really help at durban.
As far as I am aware the pink ball was only for ODIs and was mainly to benefit TV visibility.
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 05:11 PM
great cricket is about to turn into a metro/girly game.... o the shame :(
ToxicBunny
27-12-2009, 05:11 PM
Well having gone to the match yesterday, and paying R40 for a ticket to Castle Corner...
I think I ended up spending closer to R600 with all the food and drink... :eek:
Then again it was a jol and there were between 70 - 100 of us sporting the Safari Army gear.. pity the Barmy Army went into hiding..
I think I ended up spending closer to R600 with all the food and drink... :eek:
Then again it was a jol and there were between 70 - 100 of us sporting the Safari Army gear.. pity the Barmy Army went into hiding..
stefan9
27-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Even earlier I say... the sun is up at 4:45! I know the concern will be what time people roll into the stadium, but who really cares if it means you get a full days cricket.
As far as I am aware the pink ball was only for ODIs and was mainly to benefit TV visibility.
No the pink ball is going to be used for night test matchess. They have been doing tests for the last 3 years and have found that its the colour that works best. They tried orange,green,yellow,ect. What they found is the other colour struggle with tracking of the camera's. They plan to use it in aus or england first. If it works it will be very good for a venue like durban which always has light problems.
White ball is only for odi's but doesn't work for 4 day cricket because it gets too dirty and can't last 50 overs not to mention the 80 for tests.
As far as I am aware the pink ball was only for ODIs and was mainly to benefit TV visibility.
No the pink ball is going to be used for night test matchess. They have been doing tests for the last 3 years and have found that its the colour that works best. They tried orange,green,yellow,ect. What they found is the other colour struggle with tracking of the camera's. They plan to use it in aus or england first. If it works it will be very good for a venue like durban which always has light problems.
White ball is only for odi's but doesn't work for 4 day cricket because it gets too dirty and can't last 50 overs not to mention the 80 for tests.
BigAl-sa
27-12-2009, 05:14 PM
Strauss review.... ok now I thought unless it was conclusive the third umpire cannot over rule the onfield decision! I am not certain that was conclusive!!Inconsistent to say the least. I'm hoping that some bright spark will do some comparisons. Harris also claimed he hit the ball, and appealed immediately, and from very similar footage was given out.
stefan9
27-12-2009, 05:16 PM
Inconsistent to say the least. I'm hoping that some bright spark will do some comparisons. Harris also claimed he hit the ball, and appealed immediately, and from very similar footage was given out.
I agree with you guys. But Allan Donald when looking at the reply claims there's deviation to indicate it hit the bat. Personally I don't see it but maybe the third umpire saw this deviation that Donald saw.
Lucky it didn't cost us much.
I agree with you guys. But Allan Donald when looking at the reply claims there's deviation to indicate it hit the bat. Personally I don't see it but maybe the third umpire saw this deviation that Donald saw.
Lucky it didn't cost us much.
Fiekus
27-12-2009, 05:18 PM
it shows that people in SA can't even afford R60 per person for the whole family nowadays.
take a family of 4, it costs you R180. you have to pay the car guard R20...
:D
You meant R260 right? If you add the R20 in :D
On the issue of starting earlier in Durban due to the light.... how long have we not argued for that but ...excuse the pun... time after time they start at 10 :confused:
Is there stats available to see how many overs were lost during test matches at Kingsmead?
take a family of 4, it costs you R180. you have to pay the car guard R20...
:D
You meant R260 right? If you add the R20 in :D
On the issue of starting earlier in Durban due to the light.... how long have we not argued for that but ...excuse the pun... time after time they start at 10 :confused:
Is there stats available to see how many overs were lost during test matches at Kingsmead?
Fiekus
27-12-2009, 05:23 PM
Makhaya needs to retire gracefully while still in the top levels of International cricket it's very funny watching him run with that big butt behind. By the way I'm black so this is not a racists rant
:confused:
Wow that could start quite a thread there :D
Are you saying if a white guy made those same statements it would be? :wtf:
I feel everyone should be allowed to criticize anyone else, it is the manner in which it is done that makes the difference :)
:confused:
Wow that could start quite a thread there :D
Are you saying if a white guy made those same statements it would be? :wtf:
I feel everyone should be allowed to criticize anyone else, it is the manner in which it is done that makes the difference :)
stefan9
27-12-2009, 05:23 PM
:D
You meant R260 right? If you add the R20 in :D
On the issue of starting earlier in Durban due to the light.... how long have we not argued for that but ...excuse the pun... time after time they start at 10 :confused:
Is there stats available to see how many overs were lost during test matches at Kingsmead?
Too many to count. Don't remember one test at Durban not being affected by bad light.
Btw. You guys seen/heard about the odi between india and sri lanka getting called of due to a dangerious pitch. Delhi just lost their chance to host wc games. Since when a games gets called of for a dangerious pitch the venue is banned for 24 months.
You meant R260 right? If you add the R20 in :D
On the issue of starting earlier in Durban due to the light.... how long have we not argued for that but ...excuse the pun... time after time they start at 10 :confused:
Is there stats available to see how many overs were lost during test matches at Kingsmead?
Too many to count. Don't remember one test at Durban not being affected by bad light.
Btw. You guys seen/heard about the odi between india and sri lanka getting called of due to a dangerious pitch. Delhi just lost their chance to host wc games. Since when a games gets called of for a dangerious pitch the venue is banned for 24 months.
Smurfatefrog
27-12-2009, 06:12 PM
Well having gone to the match yesterday, and paying R40 for a ticket to Castle Corner...
I think I ended up spending closer to R600 with all the food and drink... :eek:
Then again it was a jol and there were between 70 - 100 of us sporting the Safari Army gear.. pity the Barmy Army went into hiding..
R600 for how many people? You have kids who want ice cream & cheese & onion & onion all day? I spent R130, 9 x R11 beers (proper beers, not watery draft) + R30 chow
I think I ended up spending closer to R600 with all the food and drink... :eek:
Then again it was a jol and there were between 70 - 100 of us sporting the Safari Army gear.. pity the Barmy Army went into hiding..
R600 for how many people? You have kids who want ice cream & cheese & onion & onion all day? I spent R130, 9 x R11 beers (proper beers, not watery draft) + R30 chow
LancelotSA
27-12-2009, 06:19 PM
R600 for how many people? You have kids who want ice cream & cheese & onion & onion all day? I spent R130, 9 x R11 beers (proper beers, not watery draft) + R30 chow
Huh?
;)
Huh?
;)
Smurfatefrog
27-12-2009, 06:34 PM
Huh?
;)
hmm, is the huh & wink contradictory, if not then anyone who has been to Kingsmead knows what that means
At the rained off ODI that oke had a little horn he was blowing all the time, lucky it was only for a couple hours
;)
hmm, is the huh & wink contradictory, if not then anyone who has been to Kingsmead knows what that means
At the rained off ODI that oke had a little horn he was blowing all the time, lucky it was only for a couple hours
LancelotSA
27-12-2009, 07:20 PM
if not then anyone who has been to Kingsmead knows what that means
Similar to the "Amanzi, no collelah"?
Similar to the "Amanzi, no collelah"?
AirWolf
27-12-2009, 08:51 PM
Too many to count. Don't remember one test at Durban not being affected by bad light.
Btw. You guys seen/heard about the odi between india and sri lanka getting called of due to a dangerious pitch. Delhi just lost their chance to host wc games. Since when a games gets called of for a dangerious pitch the venue is banned for 24 months.
Uh, no:
The ICC's latest code of conduct regarding poor pitches states that a first such breach should be met with "a suspension of the venue's international status for a period of between 12 and 24 months together with a directive for appropriate remedial action and the need for prior ICC re-accreditation as an international venue". (http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/content/current/story/441328.html)
Haroon Lorgat, the ICC's chief executive, has said any penalty on the Feroz Shah Kotla for Sunday's pitch fiasco that forced the abandonment of the fifth ODI between India and Sri Lanka will come only after completion of a thorough investigation and the prescribed monitoring process. Delhi, he said, can still retain hope of hosting the 2011 World Cup matches. (http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/content/current/story/441398.html)
Btw. You guys seen/heard about the odi between india and sri lanka getting called of due to a dangerious pitch. Delhi just lost their chance to host wc games. Since when a games gets called of for a dangerious pitch the venue is banned for 24 months.
Uh, no:
The ICC's latest code of conduct regarding poor pitches states that a first such breach should be met with "a suspension of the venue's international status for a period of between 12 and 24 months together with a directive for appropriate remedial action and the need for prior ICC re-accreditation as an international venue". (http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/content/current/story/441328.html)
Haroon Lorgat, the ICC's chief executive, has said any penalty on the Feroz Shah Kotla for Sunday's pitch fiasco that forced the abandonment of the fifth ODI between India and Sri Lanka will come only after completion of a thorough investigation and the prescribed monitoring process. Delhi, he said, can still retain hope of hosting the 2011 World Cup matches. (http://www.cricinfo.com/indvsl2009/content/current/story/441398.html)
stefan9
27-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Sonny reckons Broad is being protected by Daddy. I agree with him, can't believe nothing happended to broad after the last test.
Sunil Gavaskar alleges nexus over Stuart Broad non-action
Cricinfo staff
December 27, 2009
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Stuart Broad appeals for lbw during the morning session at Buffalo Park, South African Invitational XI v England XI at East London, December 12, 2009
Sunil Gavaskar: 'Stuart Broad knows he can get away with it and indeed he has.' © PA Photos
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Former Indian captain Sunil Gavaskar believes the reason why Stuart Broad gets away with questioning umpires' decisions all the time is because of his father, Chris Broad, the ICC match referee. Gavaskar said the 23-year-old England fast bowler was an "exceptional cricketer in the making", but was surprised why Stuart had not even been reported or called before the match referee, and had got away scot free for offences that would make others lose a substantial portion of their match fees,
"Stuart's father Chris is one of ICC's match referees and so the umpires are reluctant to make a complaint against the youngster," wrote Gavaskar in his column for Mid-Day, an Indian daily. "Remember the umpires and match referees are used to hanging out together in the evenings since they are in a foreign country and so forge a good relationship and obviously the umpires are not looking to spoil that by citing the young Broad for a violation of the code of conduct."
Gavaskar said the latest instance in South Africa, when Stuart was involved in an ugly on-field exchange with the umpires after being given out lbw following a delayed review from the South Africans, was just one among a long list.
"He knows he can get away with it and indeed he has," Gavaskar wrote. "Stuart has been quoted as saying he didn't think he had done anything wrong in questioning the umpires decision to refer the appeal to the third umpire since he thought that it hadn't come in the expected time but a bit later than is normally the case and therein has confirmed again that he thinks he is a special case and not on par with the rest of the cricketing world."
Former England captains Michael Vaughan and Nasser Hussain, in their columns in English newspapers, have previously highlighted the petulance that Stuart has shown at umpiring decisons ever since he broke into the England team.
"Michael Vaughan and Nasser Hussain in their articles have brought out the petulance of Stuart Broad," Gavaskar wrote. "They have been thinking cricketers and captains during their careers and much admired for the manner in which they conducted themselves on the field...swearing and abusing the opposition when things are not going your way is tough cricket. That in fact is cowardly cricket for the practitioners of this approach would not have the courage to use the same language off the field to their opponents or anyone for that matter and hope to get away with it."
Sunil Gavaskar alleges nexus over Stuart Broad non-action
Cricinfo staff
December 27, 2009
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Stuart Broad appeals for lbw during the morning session at Buffalo Park, South African Invitational XI v England XI at East London, December 12, 2009
Sunil Gavaskar: 'Stuart Broad knows he can get away with it and indeed he has.' © PA Photos
Related Links
News : England fume at delayed review
Players/Officials: Chris Broad | Stuart Broad | Sunil Gavaskar
Series/Tournaments: England tour of South Africa
Teams: England
Former Indian captain Sunil Gavaskar believes the reason why Stuart Broad gets away with questioning umpires' decisions all the time is because of his father, Chris Broad, the ICC match referee. Gavaskar said the 23-year-old England fast bowler was an "exceptional cricketer in the making", but was surprised why Stuart had not even been reported or called before the match referee, and had got away scot free for offences that would make others lose a substantial portion of their match fees,
"Stuart's father Chris is one of ICC's match referees and so the umpires are reluctant to make a complaint against the youngster," wrote Gavaskar in his column for Mid-Day, an Indian daily. "Remember the umpires and match referees are used to hanging out together in the evenings since they are in a foreign country and so forge a good relationship and obviously the umpires are not looking to spoil that by citing the young Broad for a violation of the code of conduct."
Gavaskar said the latest instance in South Africa, when Stuart was involved in an ugly on-field exchange with the umpires after being given out lbw following a delayed review from the South Africans, was just one among a long list.
"He knows he can get away with it and indeed he has," Gavaskar wrote. "Stuart has been quoted as saying he didn't think he had done anything wrong in questioning the umpires decision to refer the appeal to the third umpire since he thought that it hadn't come in the expected time but a bit later than is normally the case and therein has confirmed again that he thinks he is a special case and not on par with the rest of the cricketing world."
Former England captains Michael Vaughan and Nasser Hussain, in their columns in English newspapers, have previously highlighted the petulance that Stuart has shown at umpiring decisons ever since he broke into the England team.
"Michael Vaughan and Nasser Hussain in their articles have brought out the petulance of Stuart Broad," Gavaskar wrote. "They have been thinking cricketers and captains during their careers and much admired for the manner in which they conducted themselves on the field...swearing and abusing the opposition when things are not going your way is tough cricket. That in fact is cowardly cricket for the practitioners of this approach would not have the courage to use the same language off the field to their opponents or anyone for that matter and hope to get away with it."
Morgoth
27-12-2009, 09:43 PM
I reckon that is the only reason why he plays for England, I think of him as a player to be honest.
chiskop
28-12-2009, 06:49 AM
Well having gone to the match yesterday, and paying R40 for a ticket to Castle Corner...
LOL, you were also in Castle Corner? I didn't see any kilted mofos there.
Good support from the crowd. Trott came in a a fair amount of abuse, but it turns out he's an arsehole so that's okay.
Will be back for another hellish day of watching cricket.
LOL, you were also in Castle Corner? I didn't see any kilted mofos there.
Good support from the crowd. Trott came in a a fair amount of abuse, but it turns out he's an arsehole so that's okay.
Will be back for another hellish day of watching cricket.
ToxicBunny
28-12-2009, 07:16 AM
I was in disguise :D
(hiding amoungst all the Safari Army ppls)....
(hiding amoungst all the Safari Army ppls)....
chiskop
28-12-2009, 07:29 AM
Will be back there today, but prolly not Castle Corner. Either sit in the stands somewhere, or will infiltrate large knot of barmies on the south east grass banks.
sox63
28-12-2009, 08:58 AM
According to online weather, it looks like good batting weather. :(
And now that we wasted the new ball, we going to have to work hard to get wickets on that pitch.
And now that we wasted the new ball, we going to have to work hard to get wickets on that pitch.
LancelotSA
28-12-2009, 11:41 AM
Please can someone confirm this decision referral system. It was my understanding that unless the TV footage CONCLUSIVELY proves that the decision was wrong, then the onfield decision stands?
This is twice now that the footage is definitely not conclusive and yet the decision has been overturned!
This is twice now that the footage is definitely not conclusive and yet the decision has been overturned!
Sting
28-12-2009, 11:45 AM
Please can someone confirm this decision referral system. It was my understanding that unless the TV footage CONCLUSIVELY proves that the decision was wrong, then the onfield decision stands?
This is twice now that the footage is definitely not conclusive and yet the decision has been overturned!
That is true for LBW decisions.
Other referred decisions are solely at the discretion of the TV umpire (caught, run out, stump, etc).
This is twice now that the footage is definitely not conclusive and yet the decision has been overturned!
That is true for LBW decisions.
Other referred decisions are solely at the discretion of the TV umpire (caught, run out, stump, etc).
milomak
28-12-2009, 11:45 AM
Please can someone confirm this decision referral system. It was my understanding that unless the TV footage CONCLUSIVELY proves that the decision was wrong, then the onfield decision stands?
This is twice now that the footage is definitely not conclusive and yet the decision has been overturned!
that's what i also thought. it's difficult to say conclusively that there wasn't even a fine nick on the cook non-dismissal.
why does SA not have snicko and the heat thing the aussies have?
This is twice now that the footage is definitely not conclusive and yet the decision has been overturned!
that's what i also thought. it's difficult to say conclusively that there wasn't even a fine nick on the cook non-dismissal.
why does SA not have snicko and the heat thing the aussies have?
Sting
28-12-2009, 11:47 AM
Agreed on snicko and hotspot. The TV umpire has the stump mike that we cannot hear.
/hotspot thing is due to shortage of this camera technology worldwide.
/hotspot thing is due to shortage of this camera technology worldwide.
mikkelz_za
28-12-2009, 12:14 PM
O/T: Peter Davies is right up there with the most annoying presenters ever.
stefan9
28-12-2009, 12:26 PM
that's what i also thought. it's difficult to say conclusively that there wasn't even a fine nick on the cook non-dismissal.
why does SA not have snicko and the heat thing the aussies have?
Because SABC is cheap. They weren't prepared to pay for it. There are a limited amount of them but if the host broadcaster would be prepared to pay the fee we would be able to get them but SABC is the host broadcaster so that's not going to happen. Ask yourself this would sky or channel 9 go without it even though there is a limited amount, heck channel 9 has the front on and side on hotspot cameras, its about money. If you are prepared to pay for it you can get it.
Peter Davies pretty much just hinted on air that if SS was the host broadcaster hotspot would be here.
Snicko isn't allowed to be used, at least that's what Dave Richardson said before the series when explaining the system.
On the Cook dismissal, since we don't have the advantage of the stump mic which the third umpire has we can't really judge that one. I don't think it was out.
why does SA not have snicko and the heat thing the aussies have?
Because SABC is cheap. They weren't prepared to pay for it. There are a limited amount of them but if the host broadcaster would be prepared to pay the fee we would be able to get them but SABC is the host broadcaster so that's not going to happen. Ask yourself this would sky or channel 9 go without it even though there is a limited amount, heck channel 9 has the front on and side on hotspot cameras, its about money. If you are prepared to pay for it you can get it.
Peter Davies pretty much just hinted on air that if SS was the host broadcaster hotspot would be here.
Snicko isn't allowed to be used, at least that's what Dave Richardson said before the series when explaining the system.
On the Cook dismissal, since we don't have the advantage of the stump mic which the third umpire has we can't really judge that one. I don't think it was out.
Smooth Criminal
28-12-2009, 12:33 PM
That is true for LBW decisions.
Other referred decisions are solely at the discretion of the TV umpire (caught, run out, stump, etc).
It's true for all decisions. The point of the referral system is to allow one to overturn shocking decisions, not close calls. Which is why the onfield decision is supposed to stand if the replays are not conclusive enough.
why does SA not have snicko and the heat thing the aussies have?
Because the SABC apparently can't afford it. I have no idea why SS is not the host broadcaster, but then again I suppose the contracts are sealed well in advance.
Other referred decisions are solely at the discretion of the TV umpire (caught, run out, stump, etc).
It's true for all decisions. The point of the referral system is to allow one to overturn shocking decisions, not close calls. Which is why the onfield decision is supposed to stand if the replays are not conclusive enough.
why does SA not have snicko and the heat thing the aussies have?
Because the SABC apparently can't afford it. I have no idea why SS is not the host broadcaster, but then again I suppose the contracts are sealed well in advance.
stefan9
28-12-2009, 12:37 PM
It's true for all decisions. The point of the referral system is to allow one to overturn shocking decisions, not close calls. Which is why the onfield decision is supposed to stand if the replays are not conclusive enough.
Because the SABC apparently can't afford it. I have no idea why SS is not the host broadcaster, but then again I suppose the contracts are sealed well in advance.
Because SA cricket wants everyone to see the cricket. No idea why they can't make SS the host broadcaster and just put in the contract that they need to supply SABC the feed at a reasonable price. But that would be too logical.
Because the SABC apparently can't afford it. I have no idea why SS is not the host broadcaster, but then again I suppose the contracts are sealed well in advance.
Because SA cricket wants everyone to see the cricket. No idea why they can't make SS the host broadcaster and just put in the contract that they need to supply SABC the feed at a reasonable price. But that would be too logical.
Smooth Criminal
28-12-2009, 12:44 PM
Because SA cricket wants everyone to see the cricket. No idea why they can't make SS the host broadcaster and just put in the contract that they need to supply SABC the feed at a reasonable price. But that would be too logical.
It's most probably too logical for their liking. My guess is there'll be a similar debacle for the football WC.
IMO there's no excuse for awarding a broadcasting contract if the broadcaster does not have the means of delivering all available technology (especially when it can influence the outcome of a match), when another broadcaster does.
It's most probably too logical for their liking. My guess is there'll be a similar debacle for the football WC.
IMO there's no excuse for awarding a broadcasting contract if the broadcaster does not have the means of delivering all available technology (especially when it can influence the outcome of a match), when another broadcaster does.
stefan9
28-12-2009, 12:48 PM
It's most probably too logical for their liking. My guess is there'll be a similar debacle for the football WC.
IMO there's no excuse for awarding a broadcasting contract if the broadcaster does not have the means of delivering all available technology (especially when it can influence the outcome of a match), when another broadcaster does.
SS already has the rights to the wc but SABC will get games from their feed. At least that's what I heard.
IMO there's no excuse for awarding a broadcasting contract if the broadcaster does not have the means of delivering all available technology (especially when it can influence the outcome of a match), when another broadcaster does.
SS already has the rights to the wc but SABC will get games from their feed. At least that's what I heard.
LancelotSA
28-12-2009, 12:48 PM
Because SABC is cheap. They weren't prepared to pay for it. There are a limited amount of them but if the host broadcaster would be prepared to pay the fee we would be able to get them but SABC is the host broadcaster so that's not going to happen. Ask yourself this would sky or channel 9 go without it even though there is a limited amount, heck channel 9 has the front on and side on hotspot cameras, its about money. If you are prepared to pay for it you can get it.
As a matter of interest how much does it cost to watch cricket on Channel 9 and Sky?
On the Cook dismissal, since we don't have the advantage of the stump mic which the third umpire has we can't really judge that one. I don't think it was out.
Great to hear Robin Jackman and Pollock also questioning how it can be given out if the evidence was not totally conclusive....
As a matter of interest how much does it cost to watch cricket on Channel 9 and Sky?
On the Cook dismissal, since we don't have the advantage of the stump mic which the third umpire has we can't really judge that one. I don't think it was out.
Great to hear Robin Jackman and Pollock also questioning how it can be given out if the evidence was not totally conclusive....
Chris
28-12-2009, 12:57 PM
Channel 9 is a free-to-air channel.
Sky is from 18 pounds a month up to 48.50 pounds/month. http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyproducts/skytv/pricesandpackages Although it does seem that the minimum cost for Sky Sports is 36 pounds/month.
Sky is from 18 pounds a month up to 48.50 pounds/month. http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyproducts/skytv/pricesandpackages Although it does seem that the minimum cost for Sky Sports is 36 pounds/month.
mikkelz_za
28-12-2009, 01:24 PM
All the SS commentators (Donald, Cullinan, Wessels) chat about is:
- Makaya Ntini coming to the end of his career.
- Kevin Pietersen having started his career in Durban.
*Presses mute
*Tries one of the other language options
- Makaya Ntini coming to the end of his career.
- Kevin Pietersen having started his career in Durban.
*Presses mute
*Tries one of the other language options
LancelotSA
28-12-2009, 01:49 PM
All the SS commentators (Donald, Cullinan, Wessels) chat about is:
- Makaya Ntini coming to the end of his career.
- Kevin Pietersen having started his career in Durban.
This is indeed the case... when Pietersen was batting and Ntini was bowling... pretty relevant really.
*Presses mute
*Tries one of the other language options
Um, I think you might need to unmute it before trying those other language options...
- Makaya Ntini coming to the end of his career.
- Kevin Pietersen having started his career in Durban.
This is indeed the case... when Pietersen was batting and Ntini was bowling... pretty relevant really.
*Presses mute
*Tries one of the other language options
Um, I think you might need to unmute it before trying those other language options...
milomak
28-12-2009, 01:56 PM
ah i had forgotten that it is in fact the SABC that is the host broadcaster.
with respect to the World Cup, iirc FIFA sells terrestrial and satellite rights.
with respect to the World Cup, iirc FIFA sells terrestrial and satellite rights.
sox63
28-12-2009, 01:57 PM
Lets hope the 2nd new ball does not travel like the first one did.
I hope Smith throws it to Morkel and Steyn.
I hope Smith throws it to Morkel and Steyn.
hoegh
28-12-2009, 01:58 PM
/hotspot thing is due to shortage of this camera technology worldwide.
or a shortage of $$$ on the broadcasters side :whistle:
or a shortage of $$$ on the broadcasters side :whistle:
The_Pumpkin_King
28-12-2009, 02:31 PM
fail decision playing Ntini...again.....again
when will they ever learn :rolleyes:
what happened to all the "we have the momentum cause we drew the match" chops that were running around here last week
when will they ever learn :rolleyes:
what happened to all the "we have the momentum cause we drew the match" chops that were running around here last week
milomak
28-12-2009, 03:04 PM
at this rate the best possible outcome for us is a draw
LancelotSA
28-12-2009, 03:17 PM
what happened to all the "we have the momentum cause we drew the match" chops that were running around here last week
I think you will find "we" are all still here but what is your point with this statement?
Anyone with the slightest bit of sense would realise that you don't win any sporting encounter based on momentum alone. It merely allows you to take a slight advantage into the next encounter.
I think you will find "we" are all still here but what is your point with this statement?
Anyone with the slightest bit of sense would realise that you don't win any sporting encounter based on momentum alone. It merely allows you to take a slight advantage into the next encounter.
milomak
28-12-2009, 03:30 PM
Anyone with the slightest bit of sense would realise that you don't win any sporting encounter based on momentum alone. It merely allows you to take a slight advantage into the next encounter.
God forbid if there have been teams which have won test matches or series after losing a match in the same series.
God forbid if there have been teams which have won test matches or series after losing a match in the same series.
The_Pumpkin_King
28-12-2009, 03:35 PM
meh, i'd rather watch bafana than these idiots go right there and fall on their face before the finish line
feo
28-12-2009, 03:47 PM
meh, i'd rather watch bafana than these idiots go right there and fall on their face before the finish line
Then I take it this was your last post in this thread..
*waves*
Then I take it this was your last post in this thread..
*waves*
LancelotSA
28-12-2009, 03:55 PM
Then I take it this was your last post in this thread..
*waves*
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*waves*
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milomak
28-12-2009, 03:57 PM
meh, i'd rather watch bafana than these idiots go right there and fall on their face before the finish line
we can't help those who are into self-inflicted pain
we can't help those who are into self-inflicted pain
The_Pumpkin_King
28-12-2009, 04:11 PM
Then I take it this was your last post in this thread..
*waves*
No, i'll be here to laugh when they lose
*waves*
No, i'll be here to laugh when they lose
Sting
28-12-2009, 04:13 PM
No, i'll be here to laugh when they lose
That won't happen in this Test.
That won't happen in this Test.
stefan9
28-12-2009, 04:14 PM
at this rate the best possible outcome for us is a draw
Unless we collapse in the second innings the result will be a draw. Kingsmead doesn't really break up unless you have a leg spinner. So unless it really clouds over and the ball starts to swing or we bat poorly , it will be a draw.
Very happy with how morne bowl. Ntini showed why he should be dropped. Harris struggled a bit with wind which affected his rhythm. Steyn will get there, he need these overs to get match fit. Nobody not even greats like mcgrath were 100% in matches when coming back from injury.
Hopefully kallis gets 100% bowling fit. Also please drop ntini and play de wet or if you have to pick a coloured player pick parnel or tsotsobe, not ntini.
Unless we collapse in the second innings the result will be a draw. Kingsmead doesn't really break up unless you have a leg spinner. So unless it really clouds over and the ball starts to swing or we bat poorly , it will be a draw.
Very happy with how morne bowl. Ntini showed why he should be dropped. Harris struggled a bit with wind which affected his rhythm. Steyn will get there, he need these overs to get match fit. Nobody not even greats like mcgrath were 100% in matches when coming back from injury.
Hopefully kallis gets 100% bowling fit. Also please drop ntini and play de wet or if you have to pick a coloured player pick parnel or tsotsobe, not ntini.
feo
28-12-2009, 04:15 PM
No, i'll be here to laugh when they lose
I take it you don't support SA then?
So if we do win, I don't expect to see you in this thread basking in our glory...right hypocrite?
I take it you don't support SA then?
So if we do win, I don't expect to see you in this thread basking in our glory...right hypocrite?
The_Pumpkin_King
28-12-2009, 04:18 PM
I take it you don't support SA then?
So if we do win, I don't expect to see you in this thread basking in our glory...right hypocrite?
i do, but they aren't going to do anything fantastic until they change the coach and captain, till then i'll be saying i told you so when they choke
So if we do win, I don't expect to see you in this thread basking in our glory...right hypocrite?
i do, but they aren't going to do anything fantastic until they change the coach and captain, till then i'll be saying i told you so when they choke