Cricket: England tour of South Africa 2009/10

[LancelotSA]

Prince must be dropped for the team as he serves no purpose and is past his time like Ntini.Alviro Petersen or Gibbs should open with Smith. why do everyone suddenly want to drop duminy for a few bad innings. the english bowlers has bowled pretty.is it bcause he is a player of colour.

Ya dude we only want whites in the team, did you not know we are a bunch of racists who want the white cricket revolution to begin this year?

Best you put quote marks there. I started reading that and thought" oh no, not another idiot!" :D

[sand_man]

Prince must be dropped for the team as he serves no purpose and is past his time like Ntini.Alviro Petersen or Gibbs should open with Smith.So replace Prince cause he is supposedly past his time? What would you call Gibbs?
why do everyone suddenly want to drop duminy for a few bad innings.For the same reason they want to drop Prince. Prince shouldn't be opening but at number 4 he will perform. Amla should be opening with Smith..

Not sure why Mickey chose to change that once Prince returned from injury. Just another one of his brain farts I guess..

OH Killa, you were quoting Stevie G!!!! Thought your comments were a bit naive even by your standards :D

[killadoob]

Prince must be dropped for the team as he serves no purpose and is past his time like Ntini.Alviro Petersen or Gibbs should open with Smith. why do everyone suddenly want to drop duminy for a few bad innings. the english bowlers has bowled pretty.is it bcause he is a player of colour.




Here we go lance :D should have quoted this in my previous post.

Why do people need to bring race or colour into every discussion?

Viva the white revolution stevie g :D

Ya sandman soz lol my quoting skillz had abandoned me this morning :D

[sand_man]

Why do people need to bring race or colour into every discussion?

Only natural with our history. Unfortunately people are going to be doing that for many years to come until we out grow the past...

Prince has a 44 average and 52 is his average over the last 2 years. The man can play but he shouldn't be opening!!!

[Devill]

The problem was the result of not having anyone to open when Gibbs was excluded and trying to make place for two players who were in exceptional form at the time. Remember it came off wonderfully when Prince scored 100 plus.... unfortunately for him this meant the selectors were going to stick with it for a while. Nobody can predict future failures or JPs loss of form. It is always easy in hindsight.

The only "problem" is that Smith, and presumably the selectors, like the idea of being able to get a few overs out of Duminy. Obviously this helped with Kallis injured but should not be the case when he is 100%.

Try as I might I could not fnd one thing to disagree on in your above post :p:D

I agree 100%


Prince must be dropped for the team as he serves no purpose and is past his time like Ntini.Alviro Petersen or Gibbs should open with Smith. why do everyone suddenly want to drop duminy for a few bad innings. the english bowlers has bowled pretty.is it bcause he is a player of colour. you get players like kallis,ab,boucher and the morkels getting way more chances to bat themselves back into form.duminy still needs to learn a few things.he is also a good backup bowler as kallis ain't bowling atm.

give the guy a break and let him do his job. he has done it in australia.

Ok I am saying this once.

You-are-an-idiot-Stevie G.


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Among many others...

Ok I get how you could have understood Lance's post to mean this. But you bragging about telling everyone so is really silly as we are talking test cricket and you were "predicting" ODIs.

Or do you still want gibbs / bosman to replace him?



Ya dude we only want whites in the team, did you not know we are a bunch of racists who want the white cricket revolution to begin this year?

It is Hair I tell ya! :D

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Only natural with our history. Unfortunately people are going to be doing that for many years to come until we out grow the past...

Prince has a 44 average and 52 is his average over the last 2 years. The man can play but he shouldn't be opening!!!

+1, he should come in after kallis.

JP and AB need to be dropped, if anything just to show them their poor batting cannot be accepted. the last innings JP put together was in aus, AB i cant even remember :eek:

atleat they dropped Ntini, hopefully Smith realises took some attacking feilding lessons.

EDIT: Amla is pathetic

[hilton]

Duminy's test scores to date;

1
50*
166
DNB
13
16
17
29
73*
17
7
56
11
4
0
0

[phoneJunky]

We stick to players too long once they get in the team. If a player doesn't perform he must be dropped till he can make it back in the team.

[hilton]

and AB's scores for the last 12 months for comparison;

104*
3
3
84
163
32
64
50
2
36

[Devill]

+1, he should come in after kallis.

JP and AB need to be dropped, if anything just to show them their poor batting cannot be accepted. the last innings JP put together was in aus, AB i cant even remember :eek:

atleat they dropped Ntini, hopefully Smith realises took some attacking feilding lessons.

EDIT: Amla is pathetic

Ok sorry but it is obvious to me your a bit like my grandma. You watch some cricket and complain and groan a bit but your knowledge of the game does not allow you to offer any real alternatives nor do you even try.

ROFL @ you wanting to drop AB... WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

32; 64; 50; 2; 36...

Avrg of 36.8

So only one real fail in 5 innings? Tell me again why he should be dropped?

[phoneJunky]

They should have like an 5-6 innings window and if your average drops below 20 or 25 in that window you should be dropped or something along these lines.

[Fiekus]

+1, he should come in after kallis.

JP and AB need to be dropped, if anything just to show them their poor batting cannot be accepted. the last innings JP put together was in aus, AB i cant even remember :eek:

atleat they dropped Ntini, hopefully Smith realises took some attacking feilding lessons.

EDIT: Amla is pathetic

Most of us agree on JP but why AB?



Cricinfo....
2009 innings:
Runs Opposition Start Date
11 Australia 3 Jan 2009
56 Australia 3 Jan 2009
104* Australia 26 Feb 2009
3 Australia 26 Feb 2009
3 Australia 6 Mar 2009
84 Australia 6 Mar 2009
163 Australia 19 Mar 2009
32 England 16 Dec 2009
64 England 16 Dec 2009
50 England 26 Dec 2009
2 England 26 Dec 2009
36 England 3 Jan 2010

So after 163, 32, 64, 50 he fails in that second innings in Durban and you calling for his head?

Also don't get your edit that Amla is pathetic... the guy scored a 100 just a few innings ago.

[Fiekus]

and AB's scores for the last 12 months for comparison;

104*
3
3
84
163
32
64
50
2
36

LOL I was still making my post "pretty" by the time you posted this :D

[Fiekus]

Ok sorry but it is obvious to me your a bit like my grandma. You watch some cricket and complain and groan a bit but your knowledge of the game does not allow you to offer any real alternatives nor do you even try.

ROFL @ you wanting to drop AB... WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

32; 64; 50; 2; 36...

Avrg of 36.8

So only one real fail in 5 innings? Tell me again why he should be dropped?
Damn I'm slow :D even you beat me to it ;)

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Ok sorry but it is obvious to me your a bit like my grandma. You watch some cricket and complain and groan a bit but your knowledge of the game does not allow you to offer any real alternatives nor do you even try.

ROFL @ you wanting to drop AB... WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

32; 64; 50; 2; 36...

Avrg of 36.8

So only one real fail in 5 innings? Tell me again why he should be dropped?

AB is a top 5 batsmen, he should be making game changing innings yet his are more or less dwiddling around and mostly him just hanging around, yes he has made 64, 50 and so on but so has Steyn and he's a lower order batsmen, when has AB came on and changed the game like a Hussey or Clarke? they bat in the same position

apparently mediocre performances are becoming accepted in this SA team

[hilton]

I think one needs to analyse HOW the batsman got himself out rather than worrying about his score.

For instance, Prince got a blinder on Sunday whereas AB's shot was from the farside.

If there's a pattern of recklessness then this should be taken into account.

I feel sorry for batsmen who get run out for instance (if it's not entirely their fault).

Amla continues to fall over his mid-line and needs to correct this.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Most of us agree on JP but why AB?


So after 163, 32, 64, 50 he fails in that second innings in Durban and you calling for his head?

Also don't get your edit that Amla is pathetic... the guy scored a 100 just a few innings ago.

he's too predictable, and way to slow

[Fiekus]

+1 was thinking the same when I saw Peterson bring on drinks after tea.

Here's believing between Steyn, Harris and De Wet they can help Kallis score the 120 odd needed to get us to 400 :D
Just hope that Kallis doesn't go early as he has been doing a few times after ending on a century overnight :erm:

:mad:

[The_Pumpkin_King]

:mad:

lmao, was just about to say you cursed him :p

[killadoob]

Do you think we are possibly struggling because we are a bit to defensive when we bat?

If the runs are flowing would strauss keep his attacking field? Maybe a little bit more positivity from our batting line up may solve the problem?

[hilton]

Wow, just heard that Kallis' average the next day after making a hundred is only 13!

[Devill]

AB is a top 5 batsmen, he should be making game changing innings yet his are more or less dwiddling around and mostly him just hanging around, yes he has made 64, 50 and so on but so has Steyn and he's a lower order batsmen, when has AB came on and changed the game like a Hussey or Clarke? they bat in the same position

apparently mediocre performances are becoming accepted in this SA team

You are just proving my point.......

You offer no alternative nor do you see that if he only failed once in a series we are trailing 0-1 he can not be dropped... damn man use your brain.

[Devill]

he's too predictable, and way to slow

And again. This is test cricket not some pro20 match.

Kallis is one of the greatest test batsmen ever and he is pretty predictable and he scores pretty slow......

[phoneJunky]

There goes Steyn, ai.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

You are just proving my point.......

You offer no alternative nor do you see that if he only failed once in a series we are trailing 0-1 he can not be dropped... damn man use your brain.

you'll see ;)

[phoneJunky]

Morkel out as well. Don't think we will make 290?

[hilton]

Three wickets and it's not even the time of the official start of play for the day!

Now we just hope that our blowers can make headway into the England innings. Pity we're rely once again on our tail-enders to get us to a respectable total.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

And again. This is test cricket not some pro20 match.

Kallis is one of the greatest test batsmen ever and he is pretty predictable and he scores pretty slow......

Kallis is in no way predictable, he virtually has a shot for every ball.

Amla scoring 4 runs in 22 balls as a 3rd batsmen? wth is that? almost all of his last 5 performances have been along these lines, if he didnt go out he might bat all five days and make 100 :rolleyes:

[phiber]

Kallis is in no way predictable, he virtually has a shot for every ball.

Amla scoring 4 runs in 22 balls as a 3rd batsmen? wth is that? almost all of his last 5 performances have been along these lines, if he didnt go out he might bat all five days and make 100 :rolleyes:

A shot for every ball except the one he got this morning :\

282/9. Some good bowling from england, hope steyn and morkel gets this movement early on as well.

[phoneJunky]

This is really sad, weren't we the best test playing nation a few weeks ago?

[R13...]

Our players are not morning people:(

[LancelotSA]

Someone really just appears to be trolling in this thread... 10 points for whoever guesses correctly first! ;)

[The_Pumpkin_King]

This is really sad, weren't we the best test playing nation a few weeks ago?

lol after we beat the young aussie squad, sadly that same side would pump us if they played us now

[LancelotSA]

This is really sad, weren't we the best test playing nation a few weeks ago?

Dude, both teams need to bat on a pitch before you can write one off.

No guesses for the troll points yet?

[phiber]

Both Price and JP could have got themselves into better positions to play shots against the deliveries they got. Smith got an absolute BLINDER!!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

give the points to Smith, start with fielding positions ;)

[Fiekus]

Someone really just appears to be trolling in this thread... 10 points for whoever guesses correctly first! ;)

Me me ... :D
What can I use the points for? :twisted:

[phiber]

291 ALL OUT! :( Time for steyn and Morne to do some damage! I dont think they will give de wet the new ball.

Session 1 on day 2: SA 12/4

[theratman]

Damn!We suck in the morning,I was hoping for atleast 350

[LancelotSA]

Good thing... get England in early while this pitch is moving and shaking.

[phoneJunky]

I think we were just over confident after beating Australia. England have won the Ashes and I think that gave them allot of confidence.

Hopefully Harris can get us above the 300 mark, we need that milestone atleast. I think we have allot of reflecting to do after this test because first the problem is our bowlers then it is the batsmen. There should be something we can do to be more consistant.

Edit: Ai

[The_Pumpkin_King]

so its a good thing we got out?

some people are just warped :rolleyes:

[Yats]

Amla scoring 4 runs in 22 balls as a 3rd batsmen? wth is that? almost all of his last 5 performances have been along these lines, if he didnt go out he might bat all five days and make 100 :rolleyes:

He didn't take 5 days to score his century in the first match. And I'm sure he'd bat faster if the openers have dealt with the new ball. But that implies they've lasted more than 5 overs!

[killadoob]

Well i think before we can do any reflecting let's see what happens when we bowl.

Jeez you okes know there is more to a test than one innings batting right? :D.

[LancelotSA]

Come guys, the troll is so obvious.....

[Devill]

Kallis is in no way predictable, he virtually has a shot for every ball.

Amla scoring 4 runs in 22 balls as a 3rd batsmen? wth is that? almost all of his last 5 performances have been along these lines, if he didnt go out he might bat all five days and make 100 :rolleyes:

Yes because barring Sewagh all batsmen in test cricket score at a blinding pace :rolleyes: You do realise this is test cricket right?


Our players are not morning people:(

I lol'ed :D:D


lol after we beat the young aussie squad, sadly that same side would pump us if they played us now

Yes because scoring 127 against pakistan yesterday showed that :rolleyes:


Both Price and JP could have got themselves into better positions to play shots against the deliveries they got. Smith got an absolute BLINDER!!

So did prince. Amla missed a straight half volley, he just needs to sort out a small problem with balance out and he will be right back on track.

[LancelotSA]

Jeez you okes know there is more to a test than one innings batting right? :D.

Nope, it appears many of them are watching test cricket for the first time.

[Chris]

so its a good thing we got out?

some people are just warped :rolleyes:

Lancelot sees every situation in a positive way! Don't worry, he's just being his normal self. Remember his infamous comment about SA's 'momentum' after the 1st test and then we promptly lose.

Time to see Smith's field placings...

[killadoob]

Now that is how you nail a tail smithers :D.

[elL0L]

Useless start.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

So basically we managed 12/4 in 4 overs

given they were tailenders, i assume we should get a wicket within the first 15 overs

[LancelotSA]

Lancelot sees every situation in a positive way! Don't worry, he's just being his normal self. Remember his infamous comment about SA's 'momentum' after the 1st test and then we promptly lose.

Time to see Smith's field placings...

Yeah, you right it is awful to go through life always seeing things in a positive light. Damn, how can I live with myself. I really need to get some help. I need to try and be more negative. :rolleyes: Fsuk you know the world is screwed when people have this sort of stupid mentality!

If you weren't trying to be such a smart ass you would also remember me saying that momentum does not win you matches!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Lancelot sees every situation in a positive way! Don't worry, he's just being his normal self. Remember his infamous comment about SA's 'momentum' after the 1st test and then we promptly lose.

Time to see Smith's field placings...

i still dont think he understands what momentum is :rolleyes:

[LancelotSA]

i still dont think he understands what momentum is :rolleyes:

I'll repeat this for your benefit....


If you weren't trying to be such a smart ass you would also remember me saying that momentum does not win you matches!

...and then also be so kind as to repost my comments....


Anyone with the slightest bit of sense would realise that you don't win any sporting encounter based on momentum alone. It merely allows you to take a slight advantage into the next encounter.


...just to prove that sense is not something that can be acquired over time it seems. Are you guys really adults?


Oh, look, a wicket....

[The_Pumpkin_King]

So basically we managed 12/4 in 4 overs

given they were tailenders, i assume we should get a wicket within the first 15 overs

/claims prize

kthanxbai

[Devill]

So basically we managed 12/4 in 4 overs

given they were tailenders, i assume we should get a wicket within the first 15 overs


i still dont think he understands what momentum is :rolleyes:

I still don't think you understand what test cricket is.... or any cricket format for that matter.

You seriously sound like a girl that has no idea what it is all about but dearly wants others to listen to her opinion no matter how uninformed and silly.

Making a real tit of yourself is also a way to get people to pay attention so please continue, I like a bit of comic relief in every thread.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I still don't think you understand what test cricket is.... or any cricket format for that matter.

You seriously sound like a girl that has no idea what it is all about but dearly wants others to listen to her opinion no matter how uninformed and silly.

Making a real tit of yourself is also a way to get people to pay attention so please continue, I like a bit of comic relief in every thread.

how much does it piss you off that i haven't been wrong yet?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

ok so why is de wet bowling instead of Steyn?

[hilton]

ok so why is de wet bowling instead of Steyn?

Maybe Steyn is tired from all the batting he did this morning?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Maybe Steyn is tired from all the batting he did this morning?

lmao, the whole 2 overs?

[LancelotSA]

Sarcasm is lost on some people....

[The_Pumpkin_King]

bah, England are going to bat through the day. 400+ on the cards

[Devill]

how much does it piss you off that i haven't been wrong yet?

ROFL.

Yes sorry your lack of putting an alternative for the "changes" you would like to see shows just how much you know about the game.

Why don't you repeat some of those ideas except for drop X, Y and Z?

Go back to TK where it is cool to sprout non-sense.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

ROFL.

Yes sorry your lack of putting an alternative for the "changes" you would like to see shows just how much you know about the game.

Why don't you repeat some of those ideas except for drop X, Y and Z?

Go back to TK where it is cool to sprout non-sense.

they're atleast 5 players from the supersport series who deserve a chance in the proteas, they couldnt do any worse than JP, Amla, and Prince tbh

[hilton]

they're atleast 5 players from the supersprot series who deserve a chance in the proteas, they couldnt do any worse than JP, Amla, and Prince tbh

The name Rudolph springs to mind. He's been overseas and knows how to grind it out in a test match. Also a more mature player.

I believe we should be blooding our new players through the 50 over game (which is a waste of time IMHO). They would get the experience of touring with the team, learning the ethos and traditions of the team and get to know the coaching staff.

Then the step up to the big league won't be so daunting.

I also think a batsmen should first make at least 5 first class hundreds and 2000 first class runs before he is considered for the test team. Know your trade before you attempt to ply it.

[Smooth Criminal]

Ok I get how you could have understood Lance's post to mean this. But you bragging about telling everyone so is really silly as we are talking test cricket and you were "predicting" ODIs.

Again, he asked for proof that I said that during the ODIs and I provided him with that.

And I'm not going around saying I told you so - I just find it ironic how everyone was defending him during the ODIs and now suddenly they're calling for him to be dropped.

[Stevie G]

dude, our bowling sucks period. it looks like morkel and harris will be the only wicket takers this innings. steyn needs game time.they should have not rushed him back into the proteas team. domestic cricket would have suited him better atm.he is anyway just taking up space and not taking wickets.

what happened to shabalala and the dude that they say is throughing the ball

[Smooth Criminal]

And thanks for pointing out that you are the official spokesman for how people feel about me, or anyone else, on this forum. I'll bear that in mind.
That's rich coming from you, considering you said:

and besides this, not many people enjoy someone running around bragging that "I told you so".
So I guess it's cool for you to act as spokesman, but you don't like it when somebody generalises? :rolleyes:

[The_Pumpkin_King]

dude, our bowling sucks period. it looks like morkel and harris will be the only wicket takers this innings. steyn needs game time.they should have not rushed him back into the proteas team. domestic cricket would have suited him better atm.he is anyway just taking up space and not taking wickets.

what happened to shabalala and the dude that they say is throughing the ball

Friend and Plaajties are playing very well atm, i cant see why they weren't called. Mickeys insistance to stick with the tried and failed formulae is astonishing to say the least

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Trott just got ten times more runs than Amla in the same amount of balls, like doesnt he know this is a test match? maybe he knows as much about cricket as me and Devils grandmommy :rolleyes:

[phoneJunky]

I think de Wet will get a few wickets as well. We nag allot when we are loosing to good opposition and then we blame the coach or the captain, but when they are winning we are the first to brag. We are a good side going through a slump and there are other good sides playing brilliant cricket at the moment. Remember when we beat England in England, they were saying that they think we will beat Aus. England played better cricket than us in the second test, but hopefully we can bounce back today. We just need to pull ourselves together.

[LancelotSA]

Ok, this thread has now become pretty useless as it is full of trolls who have no interest in actually discussing the cricket intelligently. This occurred the other day and appears to be happening again now. On both occasions their have been similar culprits...

[Devill]

they're atleast 5 players from the supersport series who deserve a chance in the proteas, they couldnt do any worse than JP, Amla, and Prince tbh

Name a few. Or is google slow this morning?


Again, he asked for proof that I said that during the ODIs and I provided him with that.

And I'm not going around saying I told you so - I just find it ironic how everyone was defending him during the ODIs and now suddenly they're calling for him to be dropped.

Please note: Test cricket is not ODI cricket.

Duminy in ODI is a good idea. He can fill up 1/2 a bowler slot, great fielding actually makes a much greater difference in ODI games as well as technique is not of the greatest importance.

Test cricket you need to show good technique as well as some mental toughness (look at Cook who was out of form and still is but grinds away to make a 100).

Also please read my post as what lance said could be read in 2 different ways, as I pointed out.


Friend and Plaajties are playing very well atm, i cant see why they weren't called. Mickeys insistance to stick with the tried and failed formulae is astonishing to say the least

Its more of a tried and wow it worked kinda formula. We were nr 1 and we accomplished many firsts under this way. One bad season doesn't make him an idiot.

[hilton]

dude, our bowling sucks period. it looks like morkel and harris will be the only wicket takers this innings

Gosh I'm so glad you're wrong :-)

Two wickets by Steyn!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Name a few. Or is google slow this morning?



Please note: Test cricket is not ODI cricket.

Duminy in ODI is a good idea. He can fill up 1/2 a bowler slot, great fielding actually makes a much greater difference in ODI games as well as technique is not of the greatest importance.

Test cricket you need to show good technique as well as some mental toughness (look at Cook who was out of form and still is but grinds away to make a 100).

Also please read my post as what lance said could be read in 2 different ways, as I pointed out.



Its more of a tried and wow it worked kinda formula. We were nr 1 and we accomplished many firsts under this way. One bad season doesn't make him an idiot.

I've named them, while giving lance a science lesson about momentum and how it works :[

tbh he came into the team when they where at the springbok stage, you could close your to pick a team and they would win regardless. now the players are getting beyond their prime and his tactics, and smiths on field decisions are failing dismally. when last did we play a match where our batting didnt win it for us?

[Smooth Criminal]

Please note: Test cricket is not ODI cricket.

I know it's not and my point is that right now he doesn't belong in either. It's not like he has 2 years of cricket left in him. A little domestic cricket won't hurt - he's a great talent so instead of throwing him into the deep end and have it affect our team performance, rather groom him and work on the few niggles that he's struggling with. He'll come back better and start playing with more consistency. With players like Peterson now in the fold, it's not like we're short of options.

edit: screw the arguments for now, we have 'em at 37/3! :eek: Steyn is on fire.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Gosh I'm so glad you're wrong :-)

Two wickets by Steyn!

well atleast they got that right, notice now that we have 2 wickets, Smith cant go into an attacking position

[Chris]

Where the hell is the short leg for Collingwood? :mad: We've got 3 wickets and his field is only marginally attacking.

[Devill]

I know it's not and my point is that right now he doesn't belong in either. It's not like he has 2 years of cricket left in him. A little domestic cricket won't hurt - he's a great talent so instead of throwing him into the deep end and have it affect our team performance, rather groom him and work on the few niggles that he's struggling with. He'll come back better and start playing with more consistency. With players like Peterson now in the fold, it's not like we're short of options.

edit: screw the arguments for now, we have 'em at 37/3! :eek: Steyn is on fire.

I agree duminy should be dropped for a series or so for the tests. But not for the ODIs. There like I pointed out Techn is not all that important. Alviro deserves a chance in the tests after his performance in the ODIs.


well atleast they got that right, notice now that we have 2 wickets, Smith cant go into an attacking position

Morkel just had 4 slips and a gully..... short leg..... close sq point.... looks pretty attacking to me.

[LancelotSA]

Morkel just had 4 slips and a gully..... short leg..... close sq point.... looks pretty attacking to me.

Yip. There are none so blind as those who will not see....

[sand_man]

I agree duminy should be dropped for a series or so for the tests. But not for the ODIs. There like I pointed out Techn is not all that important. Alviro deserves a chance in the tests after his performance in the ODIs.



JP is pure class. Persisting with him will pay dividends sooner rather than later...

Just a question of time. Dropping him is not the answer...

Form is temporary, class is permanent...

You don't score 166* against OZ in OZ unless you know something...

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Yip. There are none so blind as those who will not see....

for calling everybody who questions the team a troll, you seem to be as usefull as an umbrella in a hurricane

[LancelotSA]

You don't score 166* against OZ in OZ unless you know something...

...or you are an unknown who has now been worked out? I like Duminy but his confidence just seems a little down at the moment.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

JP is pure class. Persisting with him will pay dividends sooner rather than later...

Just a question of time. Dropping him is not the answer...

Form is temporary, class is permanent...

You don't score 166* against OZ in OZ unless you know something...

no ones questioning his talent, rather send him to his provincial team to get back into scoring form before bringing him back. right now he's dead weight in the team. the best players come back stronger after they've been dropped

[LancelotSA]

for calling everybody who questions the team a troll, you seem to be as usefull as an umbrella in a hurricane

I could have sworn that post was not in response to a post of yours?

Oh, and I can see how this post is on topic. But I suppose it is to be expected from the resident cricket thread troll.

[theratman]

Colly is a great grafting batsman,I hope we can get him out soon before he gets 80+

[LancelotSA]

Colly is a great grafting batsman,I hope we can get him out soon before he gets 80+

Someone needs to hit him on the finger! ;)

[Smooth Criminal]

JP is pure class. Persisting with him will pay dividends sooner rather than later...

Just a question of time. Dropping him is not the answer...

Form is temporary, class is permanent...

You don't score 166* against OZ in OZ unless you know something...
What worked for somebody like Kallis may not necessarily work for everyone else. Yes he showed that he is talented and nobody is questioning it. If they had persevered with Steyn, I think we may never have seen him again had he been continuously mauled like he was in his first test. Since returning from domestic cricket, he's been the best fast bowler on the planet.

I don't want that to happen to Duminy where he's eventually dropped anyway, never to return again. Rather drop him now until he finds some form and sorts out his technical issues.

[Bizkit87]

so, on the 2nd day so far, SA has lost 7 wickets in a session:

1. Kallis
2. Steyn
3. Morkel
4. de Wet
5. Strauss
6. Trott
7. Pietersen

:D :D :D

[sand_man]

so, on the 2nd day so far, SA has lost 7 wickets in a session:

1. Kallis
2. Steyn
3. Morkel
4. de Wet
5. Strauss
6. Trott
7. Pietersen

:D :D :DInteresting observation...

[The_Pumpkin_King]

so, on the 2nd day so far, SA has lost 7 wickets in a session:

1. Kallis
2. Steyn
3. Morkel
4. de Wet
5. Strauss
6. Trott
7. Pietersen

:D :D :D

lmao!! :D

[milomak]

hehehe to that 7 wickets

[Devill]

JP is pure class. Persisting with him will pay dividends sooner rather than later...

Just a question of time. Dropping him is not the answer...

Form is temporary, class is permanent...

You don't score 166* against OZ in OZ unless you know something...

I agree but at the moment he is having a bit of a dip. Drop him from the test sq but not from the ODI sq. I am sure he will bounce back asap and then alviro can be given a well deserved chance to prove himself in the test sq.


for calling everybody who questions the team a troll, you seem to be as usefull as an umbrella in a hurricane

And you seem to know as much about cricket as warne about fidelity....

Having 2 fielders at long on and long off and the rest behind or sq of the wicket is anything but defensive, but you would know that if you knew a tad about cricket.


so, on the 2nd day so far, SA has lost 7 wickets in a session:

1. Kallis
2. Steyn
3. Morkel
4. de Wet
5. Strauss
6. Trott
7. Pietersen

:D :D :D

ROFL :D Whahaha!

[sand_man]

I don't want that to happen to Duminy where he's eventually dropped anyway, never to return again. Rather drop him now until he finds some form and sorts out his technical issues.Look, I agree to some extent but don't think his technical deficiencies would be either found out or sorted out at domestic level and this is for me where Mickey fails so desperately as a coach!!! He doesn't have the technical astuteness required to expose deficiencies and remedy them..

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I agree but at the moment he is having a bit of a dip. Drop him from the test sq but not from the ODI sq. I am sure he will bounce back asap and then alviro can be given a well deserved chance to prove himself in the test sq.



And you seem to know as much about cricket as warne about fidelity....

Having 2 fielders at long on and long off and the rest behind or sq of the wicket is anything but defensive, but you would know that if you knew a tad about cricket.



ROFL :D Whahaha!

i have yet to see you make a remark you havent googled, yet you question others knowledge of the game :rolleyes:

yipee for you, you can work google ;)

[Smooth Criminal]

Look, I agree to some extent but don't think his technical deficiencies would be either found out or sorted out at domestic level and this is for me where Mickey fails so desperately as a coach!!! He doesn't have the technical astuteness required to expose deficiencies and remedy them..
Agreed, I'm not a big fan of Mickey Mouse either. Which is why perhaps one of the domestic coaches might help him better.

His failings as a coach aside, he's one of those people who has a "punch me" face, as is Strauss. Every time I see these two smirking, I feel like taking a baseball bat to their face :D Don't know why and can't explain it.

[Devill]

i have yet to see you make a remark you havent googled, yet you question others knowledge of the game :rolleyes:

yipee for you, you can work google ;)

Yes because actually saying drop someone then adding whom to replace him with is what you do... o wait no that is me and all the rest who know anything about cricket.

Hell even the clueless suggestions from some where an opinion. As for calling for a batsmen that has scored 2 x 50s and 2 x 30 odd scores in 5 innings to be dropped I can only laugh and conclude you know very little if anything about cricket.

Still waiting on any suggestion from you as to amla scoring slow (he scores faster than cook/strauss/kallis/just under duminy IIRC)

Waiting to hear whom you want to replace AB with. Also would love to hear your plan on stopping the english bowlers bowling peaches at prince.....

[Morgoth]

JP is pure class. Persisting with him will pay dividends sooner rather than later...

Just a question of time. Dropping him is not the answer...

Form is temporary, class is permanent...

You don't score 166* against OZ in OZ unless you know something...

a class player should be able to play a hook shot at high school level.....

[Devill]

a class player should be able to play a hook shot at high school level.....

Tendulkar rarely plays it... Waugh brother X (think it was mark) cut it from his batting array.... They not classy?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Yes because actually saying drop someone then adding whom to replace him with is what you do... o wait no that is me and all the rest who know anything about cricket.

Hell even the clueless suggestions from some where an opinion. As for calling for a batsmen that has scored 2 x 50s and 2 x 30 odd scores in 5 innings to be dropped I can only laugh and conclude you know very little if anything about cricket.

Averaging 31 as a top order batsmen is pathetic, especially when the tail enders are doing that under the same conditions

[phoneJunky]

Pumpkin, his average is 43 and 31 in 5 innings isnt that bad compared to duminy's average of 13 in the last 6 innings.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Yes because actually saying drop someone then adding whom to replace him with is what you do... o wait no that is me and all the rest who know anything about cricket.

Hell even the clueless suggestions from some where an opinion. As for calling for a batsmen that has scored 2 x 50s and 2 x 30 odd scores in 5 innings to be dropped I can only laugh and conclude you know very little if anything about cricket.

Still waiting on any suggestion from you as to amla scoring slow (he scores faster than cook/strauss/kallis/just under duminy IIRC)

Waiting to hear whom you want to replace AB with. Also would love to hear your plan on stopping the english bowlers bowling peaches at prince.....

really? i dont see them scoring 14 in 54 balls, 2 in 22 ballss, JP isnt scoring at all so he doesnt count. like i said they're lots of players in the supersport series doing exceptionally well, maybe if you watched it and stopped googling your replies you'd know who im talking about ;)

[Devill]

Averaging 31 as a top order batsmen is pathetic, especially when the tail enders are doing that under the same conditions

ROFL you see steyn score a 45 once and you think he can do a top order batsman's job?


Problem 1:
AB is averaging 36.8 not 31 in this series. He averages 43.6 over all in tests.

Problem 2:
He is a middel order batsman (he bats 5 ;))

Problem 3:
Can you please show me where either morkel/steyn/harris/de wet ntini has averaged over 36.8 in a series batting more than twice.

Now please go use google and let me know:)

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Pumpkin, his average is 43 and 31 in 5 innings isnt that bad compared to duminy's average of 13 in the last 6 innings.

im not talking about his overall average, neither am i questioning his talent. Im just saying they're not playing good enough atm and becoming complacent and realise they're others ready to take their spot if they dont play as expected

[LancelotSA]

Devill, I am standing on the sidelines cheering you on. I would get involved but I have given up on feeding the troll ... for now.

[Morgoth]

Tendulkar rarely plays it... Waugh brother X (think it was mark) cut it from his batting array.... They not classy?

that is their method of playing the short ball, as for Duminiy, he usually gets out.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

ROFL you see steyn score a 45 once and you think he can do a top order batsman's job?


Problem 1:
AB is averaging 36.8 not 31 in this series. He averages 43.6 over all in tests.

Problem 2:
He is a middel order batsman (he bats 5 ;))

Problem 3:
Can you please show me where either morkel/steyn/harris/de wet ntini has averaged over 36.8 in a series batting more than twice.

Now please go use google and let me know:)

wow dude, stop looking at cricinfo and use your brain for once, i did the math in my head, and i was pretty lose, secondly he is a top order batsmen, his favoured position is 3, he's only batting at 5 because kallis and prince are there, you dont even know that? seriously? then you question my knowledge??

and know, heres where your complete idiocy comes to fruition, obviously they will never average as much as him but in this series he is scoring as much as they are, are my point: he is not performing to his potential,hence he should be dropped until he picks up his game

[phoneJunky]

All I am saying is that averaging 31 in a 5 innings window is acceptable to me, but averaging 31 in a 15 inning window would not be for a middle order batsmen. I am sure his average over 15 innings will be more like his career average.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Devill, I am standing on the sidelines cheering you on. I would get involved but I have given up on feeding the troll ... for now.

seeing as he is the only one supporting you, well thats like your granny saying you did well after you finished last in the special olympics

[The_Pumpkin_King]

All I am saying is that averaging 31 in a 5 innings window is acceptable to me, but averaging 31 in a 15 inning window would not be for a middle order batsmen. I am sure his average over 15 innings will be more like his career average.

i still think he has become soft, he isnt showing the tenacity he showed last year

[Devill]

really? i dont see them scoring 14 in 54 balls, 2 in 22 ballss, JP isnt scoring at all so he doesnt count. like i said they're lots of players in the supersport series doing exceptionally well, maybe if you watched it and stopped googling your replies you'd know who im talking about ;)

Know what a strike rate is? Also there is nothing wrong with someone scoring at 3 an over in tests.

Amla SR: 48.71
Strauss SR: 49.71 (wow so he will score 1 run more per 100 balls!)
KP SR: 62.5 (one of the most attacking batsmen in test cricket only scores 13 odd runs more per 100 balls)
Bell SR: 50.26 (again wow a whole 1.55 runs per 100 balls more)
Smith SR: 60.58 (Again a very attacking batsman scoring 12 odd runs per 100 balls more...wow)
AB SR: 53.04 (Geez blistering pace ahead of amla!)
Kallis SR: 44.27 (Slower than amla Want to drop kallis as well? )

[LancelotSA]

seeing as he is the only one supporting you, well thats like your granny saying you did well after you finished last in the special olympics

Ha ha ha really?!?! Funny that I only see you arguing your case (which, in saying that, I am giving more credit than it deserves as it is by no means a "case". It is merely the odd mumbling about the team being crap/playing like ****e and then wanting to get rid of all the current players)

[phoneJunky]

Good, Collingwood is out 73 for 4

[sand_man]

Good, Collingwood is out 73 for 4Rolling them now.... :D

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Know what a strike rate is? Also there is nothing wrong with someone scoring at 3 an over in tests.

Amla SR: 48.71
Strauss SR: 49.71 (wow so he will score 1 run more per 100 balls!)
KP SR: 62.5 (one of the most attacking batsmen in test cricket only scores 13 odd runs more per 100 balls)
Bell SR: 50.26 (again wow a whole 1.55 runs per 100 balls more)
Smith SR: 60.58 (Again a very attacking batsman scoring 12 odd runs per 100 balls more...wow)
AB SR: 53.04 (Geez blistering pace ahead of amla!)
Kallis SR: 44.27 (Slower than amla Want to drop kallis as well? )


its like talking to a wall, seriously, ever thought of dating lance?

do you understand what recent form means?

for all we know he got 100 in 120 balls against Zim, that'll help his average. dont be noob now please, go look up recent form

[phoneJunky]

If this keeps happening we might even walk out with a good lead :)

[Smooth Criminal]

The quicks are doing well! Not going to start counting chickens though, we have a knack of going easy on the tail. Plus we'll need to repeat this performance in order to take 20 wickets :)

[milomak]

LBW – if you don’t offer a shot, as long as the umpire thinks it will go on to hit the stumps you are out. If you offer a shot, the ball has to hit you when it is line with the stumps?

Am I correct?

[LancelotSA]

England are going to have to get rid of their coach and a whole bunch of batsmen after this performance!

(Just to add this is a dig at those who jump to similar conclusion when the SA batting "fails". I am fully aware of the fact that a test is not over until the last ball has been bowled.)

[hilton]

LBW – if you don’t offer a shot, as long as the umpire thinks it will go on to hit the stumps you are out. If you offer a shot, the ball has to hit you when it is line with the stumps?

Am I correct?

This sounds correct. The 'not offering a shot' is a bit contentious at times and many umpires avoid giving batsmen out if they can.

[sand_man]

LBW – if you don’t offer a shot, as long as the umpire thinks it will go on to hit the stumps you are out. If you offer a shot, the ball has to hit you when it is line with the stumps?

Am I correct?Not sure there is a difference other than if you don't offer a shot there is no doubt in the umpires mind that you got a bat on it 1st...

[LancelotSA]

for all we know he got 100 in 120 balls against Zim, that'll help his average. dont be noob now please, go look up recent form

Feel free to use the Statsguru function on cricinfo if you would like to argue your case in a more intelligent manner. You think you'd know factually before arguing something and not rely on others to check for you.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

LBW – if you don’t offer a shot, as long as the umpire thinks it will go on to hit the stumps you are out. If you offer a shot, the ball has to hit you when it is line with the stumps?

Am I correct?

yip, the ball has to pitch in-line and continue its trajectory towards the stumps. i think this is regardless of whether you play or not

[Smooth Criminal]

Not sure there is a difference other than if you don't offer a shot there is no doubt in the umpires mind that you got a bat on it 1st...
Nope there is a difference. If you don't offer a shot then you can be given out if the ball hits you outside the line. If you play a shot, the ball has to hit you in line. Usually there isn't much of an issue about it, but if the ball is moving around then it comes into play a bit more.

[Devill]

wow dude, stop looking at cricinfo and use your brain for once, i did the math in my head, and i was pretty lose, secondly he is a top order batsmen, his favoured position is 3, he's only batting at 5 because kallis and prince are there, you dont even know that? seriously? then you question my knowledge??

and know, heres where your complete idiocy comes to fruition, obviously they will never average as much as him but in this series he is scoring as much as they are, are my point: he is not performing to his potential,hence he should be dropped until he picks up his game

ROFL. Yes you look like you know a lot. Can see you answering my questions.

O wait no thats not right. Come on You made the statement the lower order batsmen can do his job. I am asking for a series average. See your statement was wrong.

No as to the other one about ab wanting to bat at 3. I want to be a pilot it doesn't make me one....

Ever thought of thinking before posting. I am still waiting for one of my questions to be answered. It is clear you can not even answer them with the help of the intrawebs.

You must be the kid that didn't make the special olympics hay? Shame.

[sand_man]

England are going to have to get rid of their coach and a whole bunch of batsmen after this performance!

(Just to add this is a dig at those who jump to similar conclusion when the SA batting "fails". I am fully aware of the fact that a test is not over until the last ball has been bowled.)
Nope, England by their standards have had an outstanding tour. In fact I'm, sure their coach will be getting a knighthood when they return home...

[milomak]

Not sure there is a difference other than if you don't offer a shot there is no doubt in the umpires mind that you got a bat on it 1st...

isn't it the case that even a ball strikes you outside the line of the stumps, you can be given out if not offering a shot?

[phiber]

Nope there is a difference. If you don't offer a shot then you can be given out if the ball hits you outside the line. If you play a shot, the ball has to hit you in line. Usually there isn't much of an issue about it, but if the ball is moving around then it comes into play a bit more.

A lot of spinners pitch well outside the line and spin it in, therefore if you don't play a shot and the umpire thinks it will hit, u will be given out.

[Smooth Criminal]

How about we stop fighting now and cheer on the guys :D There'll always be a difference of opinion but in the end we support the same team. Now if England get bundled out for <200, it will make my day!

[Smooth Criminal]

A lot of spinners pitch well outside the line and spin it in, therefore if you don't play a shot and the umpire thinks it will hit, u will be given out.
Talking about hitting in line, not pitching in line :)

[sand_man]

isn't it the case that even a ball strikes you outside the line of the stumps, you can be given out if not offering a shot?

The ball must hit in line : The ball must hit the batsman in the region directly between the two wickets. An important exception is that, if the impact is outside the off stump, the batsman can be out LBW if he does not make a genuine attempt to play the ball (that is, if he does not "play a stroke"). If the impact is between wicket and wicket, the playing of a stroke is irrelevant.-wiki

[phoneJunky]

LBW – if you don’t offer a shot, as long as the umpire thinks it will go on to hit the stumps you are out. If you offer a shot, the ball has to hit you when it is line with the stumps?

Am I correct?

Yes, if you offer a shot it has to be inline with the wickets.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

England are going to have to get rid of their coach and a whole bunch of batsmen after this performance!

(Just to add this is a dig at those who jump to similar conclusion when the SA batting "fails". I am fully aware of the fact that a test is not over until the last ball has been bowled.)


Feel free to use the Statsguru function on cricinfo if you would like to argue your case in a more intelligent manner. You think you'd know factually before arguing something and not rely on others to check for you.

did you descend from a lump of moss?


ROFL. Yes you look like you know a lot. Can see you answering my questions.

O wait no thats not right. Come on You made the statement the lower order batsmen can do his job. I am asking for a series average. See your statement was wrong.

No as to the other one about ab wanting to bat at 3. I want to be a pilot it doesn't make me one....

Ever thought of thinking before posting. I am still waiting for one of my questions to be answered. It is clear you can not even answer them with the help of the intrawebs.

You must be the kid that didn't make the special olympics hay? Shame.

when did i say that? i said he was averaging 30, while they lower order batsmen are scoring in the 30s, which question are you still waiting for me to answer?

[sand_man]

Gees Bell 0 from 14 drop him immediately. In fact don't even wait for him to get out, just get him off the pitch ASAP!!!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

isn't it the case that even a ball strikes you outside the line of the stumps, you can be given out if not offering a shot?

no dude, it has to be in line, the umpire cant assume whether ball will continue and hit the stumps

[The_Pumpkin_King]

The ball must hit in line : The ball must hit the batsman in the region directly between the two wickets. An important exception is that, if the impact is outside the off stump, the batsman can be out LBW if he does not make a genuine attempt to play the ball (that is, if he does not "play a stroke"). If the impact is between wicket and wicket, the playing of a stroke is irrelevant.-wiki

ah nvm

[BLIXEMPIE]

Seems like England is headed the same way the Proteas did in the last test. :D

[Smooth Criminal]

no dude, it has to be in line, the umpire cant assume whether ball will continue and hit the stumps
Nope, that's the risk in not playing a shot. If the ball is moving around or if there is enough turn for the spinners, the umpire can estimate whether he thinks it will go on to hit.

[Smooth Criminal]

Saw in the last match that all of Bell's centuries had come when somebody else in the same innings has already scored a century. So I guess we shouldn't expect a miracle from him :D

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Seems like England is headed the same way the Proteas did in the last test. :D

doubt it, the proteas still cant kill off a team

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Nope, that's the risk in not playing a shot. If the ball is moving around or if there is enough turn for the spinners, the umpire can estimate whether he thinks it will go on to hit.

i'd hate to be that umpire and get it wrong :p

doesnt matter these days, it'll be reffered anyways :(

[hilton]

no dude, it has to be in line, the umpire cant assume whether ball will continue and hit the stumps

Nooooooooooooooooooo.

The exception to the rule is that if the impact is OUTSIDE the off-stump AND the batsman fails to attempt a genuine shot, the Ump may give him out.

The ball only needs to pitch on the wicket or outside off-stamp.

[Sting]

Nope, that's the risk in not playing a shot. If the ball is moving around or if there is enough turn for the spinners, the umpire can estimate whether he thinks it will go on to hit.

A few years ago this was also not considered. It changed as batsmen kept padding up to absolutely everything pitched outside off stump.

[Devill]

you'll see ;)

Great answer to the question here.....


Kallis is in no way predictable, he virtually has a shot for every ball.

Amla scoring 4 runs in 22 balls as a 3rd batsmen? wth is that? almost all of his last 5 performances have been along these lines, if he didnt go out he might bat all five days and make 100 :rolleyes:

Still not seeing the replacements and a good reason for them...


ROFL.

Yes sorry your lack of putting an alternative for the "changes" you would like to see shows just how much you know about the game.

Why don't you repeat some of those ideas except for drop X, Y and Z?

Go back to TK where it is cool to sprout non-sense.

I asked again....


they're atleast 5 players from the supersport series who deserve a chance in the proteas, they couldnt do any worse than JP, Amla, and Prince tbh

And I am sure in Aus/eng /WI/Ind/Paki there are also a top 5 in there "provincial" series :rolleyes: Answer the question.

You also said ab wants to bat at 3... so what?! I want to be a pilot as I said but it doesn't make me one. So you are still wrong, he is a middel order batsman.
I also asked you if you would drop kallis as his strike rate is lower than Amla's.
I also asked you who you would replace AB with.

But hay stats, proven facts and talking sense must be a no-no in your books.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

A few years ago this was also not considered. It changed as batsmen kept padding up to absolutely everything pitched outside off stump.

thats what i learnt:o

[phoneJunky]

doubt it, the proteas still cant kill off a team

I think we have the potency now to finish off the tail which was shown in the first test when de Wet hauled in a few wickets.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Great answer to the question here.....



Still not seeing the replacements and a good reason for them...



I asked again....



And I am sure in Aus/eng /WI/Ind/Paki there are also a top 5 in there "provincial" series :rolleyes: Answer the question.

You also said ab wants to bat at 3... so what?! I want to be a pilot as I said but it doesn't make me one. So you are still wrong, he is a middel order batsman.
I also asked you if you would drop kallis as his strike rate is lower than Amla's.
I also asked you who you would replace AB with.

But hay stats, proven facts and talking sense must be a no-no in your books.

the game is not won on stats and past efforts ;)

just ask they guys who got thumped by an innings

like i said, you question my knowledge of the game, yet you have no idea who im talking about and why they'd be better than the under performing players atm.

like i said before, Amla is not scoring runs and doesnt look like he can right now. and obviously they're top players in Aus ready to take their place in the Team but they aren't getting a chance because of the players currently in the squad playing well, now go look up yesterday score against pakistan you get it? good boy, now post it in bold. ;)

SA was terrrible in 2009 and yet we continue with the same team???

[Devill]

the game is not won on stats and past efforts ;)

just ask they guys who got thumped by an innings

like i said, you question my knowledge of the game, yet you have no idea who im talking about and why they'd be better than the under performing players atm.

like i said before, Amla is not scoring runs and doesnt look like he can right now. and obviously they're top players in Aus ready to take their place in the Team but they aren't getting a chance because of the players currently in the squad playing well, now go look up yesterday score against pakistan you get it? good boy, now post it in bold. ;)

SA was terrrible in 2009 and yet we continue with the same team???

You still did not answer one of the questions....what a surprise.

The comment about all those other countries also having a "next best 5" was a bit of a digg at you. Guess you did not get it hay? At anytime in ANY country there will be "those 4 or 5" guys waiting for a chance....

Ps I posted earlier in the thread Aus all out for 127. You are saying the current Aus team is shlt and should be replaced with some youngsters? Please complete a statement don't just say stuff like "You'll see" when asked questions;)

So if not for averages etc etc how would you pick a team? Go with the last guy to have scored a double hundred? Or maybe the colour shirt he is wearing at team practice? Or would you google it?

I am still waiting why on some answers:

Name the guys you will drop AB duminy and amla for.
Tell me why they are better.
Tell me what AB wanting to be a nr 3 batsman has to do with anything.

Also you said amla bats very slow.... and that nr 3 batsman should not.... ROFL... nr 3 batsmen are usually some of your technically better batsman and more than half I am betting scores at around 3 runs an over. They also do not regularly score at sewagh or even KP or smith pace. Ask kallis or was he not a good nr 3 batsman? (Hint: He was top of the test batting rankings while he batted at 3 ;))

But hay you know all this so why even say anything :rolleyes:

[phoneJunky]

Cook is starting to look good again, hope he doesn't go all the way again. And Devill and Pumpkin, you are not going to agree, just agree to disagree.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

theres a difference between scoring slow and getting 120 and scoring slow and gettting 20, wth is that?

like i said before, maybe if you watched local cricket and stopped copy pasting off cricinfo you'd know who these players are.

you pick a team on current form, seriously?is this even a question?? how can you pick somebody because he scored 168 in 2008 yet cant muster anything significant right now

[Devill]

Cook is starting to look good again, hope he doesn't go all the way again. And Devill and Pumpkin, you are not going to agree, just agree to disagree.

I am waiting for him to answer a simple question.


theres a difference between scoring slow and getting 120 and scoring slow and gettting 20, wth is that?

like i said before, maybe if you watched local cricket and stopped copy pasting off cricinfo you'd know who these players are.

you pick a team on current form, seriously?is this even a question?? how can you pick somebody because he scored 168 in 2008 yet cant muster anything significant right now

And you fail again.....

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I am waiting for him to answer a simple question.



And you fail again.....

i fail by being right?

so far i have:

1- called ntini a fail
2- said we would lose the second test
3- said we would be bowled out in the second test
4- said we would get a wicket in the first 15 overs of the match, of which we got 3

exactly how did i fail?

only thing left now is:

1- Mickey to be fired
2- SA to lose the series
3- atleast 5 changes in this team

[Devill]

i fail by being right?

so far i have:

1- called ntini a fail
2- said we would lose the second test
3- said we would be bowled out in the second test
4- said we would get a wicket in the first 15 overs of the match, of which we got 3

exactly how did i fail?


Rofl fail to read. I asked the 4 or 5 batsmen that would replace amla, duminy and ab in your opinion. And then your thoughts on why they deserved it.

I have asked this for all of about 6 pages now.

Also my little 6yo cousin predicted the same as I am sure most posters in here... We just really thought of it more as general knowledge and did not see the reason to brag about it... Making those calls really does not make you knowledgeable on the subject of test cricket.

Now please name those 4 or 5 batsmen if you don't mind.



only thing left now is:

1- Mickey to be fired
2- SA to lose the series
3- atleast 5 changes in this team

5 changes in the team? Nice I can't wait, I am sure by 2056 there will be 5 changes... you going to then tell us I told you so?

Or are you saying 5 changes by the end of the series?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Rofl fail to read. I asked the 4 or 5 batsmen that would replace amla, duminy and ab in your opinion. And then your thoughts on why they deserved it.

I have asked this for all of about 6 pages now.

Also my little 6yo cousin predicted the same as I am sure most posters in here... We just really thought of it more as general knowledge and did not see the reason to brag about it... Making those calls really does not make you knowledgeable on the subject of test cricket.

Now please name those 4 or 5 batsmen if you don't mind.



5 changes in the team? Nice I can't wait, I am sure by 2056 there will be 5 changes... you going to then tell us I told you so?

Or are you saying 5 changes by the end of the series?

really? you thought they would lose? then argue that the team is good enough? logic is failed upon you.

and like i said 5 times already, if you actually paid any interest in local cricket you would know them, not try and draw names out of me so you can come copy n paste stats here.

if the coach is changed, which i hope, there will be 5 changes with the new coach. hopefully they change him after we lose this series

[Fuma]

Come on England. Show these people they are overrated.

[AirWolf]

:wtf: Over 15 pages from last night to now.

[phoneJunky]

Cook and Bell is settling in again. We really need to brake this partnership. We need to strike a real mental blow for us to be able to get into this series again.

[AMG133]

so heard Ntini is going to announce his reitrement from test cricket after this 3rd test........why wait, he aint playing just say it now :D

[lilggg]

Duminy is more likely to get a wicket than harris ;/

[lilggg]

Wooh,morkel,needed that wicket.

[phoneJunky]

Good going there Morkel my boy

133 - 5

[R13...]

Wooh,morkel,needed that wicket.
For a moment I though another wicket had fallen there... The English (commentators) called Harris the buffet spinner last year - "you just help yourself":)
Edit: Oh, it has!

[Devill]

and like i said 5 times already, if you actually paid any interest in local cricket you would know them, not try and draw names out of me so you can come copy n paste stats here.


So if I watch a lot of the local 4 day games I would know what your opinions are?

Now that is a logic fail.

Rofl, you make me laugh not because your funny but because your a joke.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

So if I watch a lot of the local 4 day games I would know what your opinions are?

Now that is a logic fail.

Rofl, you make me laugh not because your funny but because your a joke.

no, how could you possibly know that. if you watch, or even read a little on local cricket, you would know who the top performers are. common sense dude

[phoneJunky]

Bell is starting to be aggressive now - 3 fours in Steyn's over. Hopefully it will be his undoing.

[Devill]

no, how could you possibly know that. if you watch, or even read a little on local cricket, you would know who the top performers are. common sense dude

I want YOUR opinion. Wow you really are slow.

Or is it hard to google an opinion?


Bell is starting to be aggressive now - 3 fours in Steyn's over. Hopefully it will be his undoing.

+1 Another wicket now and we have a genuine open end :)

[Bizkit87]

/gives PK and Devill a time out,

play nice now fellows....

and as some already stated, agree to disagree...

personally, i think Prince should be in the test team, just not an opener, Duminy should go find form in domestic [look how well that has worked for Morne, last year he was all over the place, they dropped him <he even played club cricket last season, terrifying for a social/amateur cricketer, trust me> and now he is back, better line, more control...

Duminy needs to go and score runs, on the local scene, and a lot of it.

[Fuma]

The Devill and The_Pumpkin_King have something going on. Get a room pls.

[Morgoth]

it use to be the case if you don't offer a shot then the benefit goes to the bowler, but with new technology it changed. If you don't offer a shot though you are not allowed to take a run iirc.

[phoneJunky]

I agree with you Bizkit, drop Duminy from the test team. Maybe keep him for the ODI's, Prince goes to Duminies position. Then who opens?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I want YOUR opinion. Wow you really are slow.

Or is it hard to google an opinion?



+1 Another wicket now and we have a genuine open end :)

and i've told that my opinion is that you should leave cricinfos stats and watch some local cricket, find out who the top players are then come back.

[Bizkit87]

it use to be the case if you don't offer a shot then the benefit goes to the bowler, but with new technology it changed. If you don't offer a shot though you are not allowed to take a run iirc.

if the ball hits you, then yes

if the ball misses you, and comes of the keeper [and you didn't play a shot] then you can run IIRC?

[Devill]

/gives PK and Devill a time out,

play nice now fellows....

and as some already stated, agree to disagree...

personally, i think Prince should be in the test team, just not an opener, Duminy should go find form in domestic [look how well that has worked for Morne, last year he was all over the place, they dropped him <he even played club cricket last season, terrifying for a social/amateur cricketer, trust me> and now he is back, better line, more control...

Duminy needs to go and score runs, on the local scene, and a lot of it.

I will tell someone they are being stupid when they are. This is a forum not a "help mekaar" class ;)

I agree that prince is a great batsman and that he should just be moved. State as well that Alviro in for duminy solves opening problem and if they want to Amla can also open with smith.

Alviro would be my first choice replacement because he showed that he has learned a lot from domestic cricket in the 2 years he was left out of the protea sq and that he is on form atm :)


The Devill and The_Pumpkin_King have something going on. Get a room pls.

You jealous? We have room for one more.

[Bizkit87]

I will tell someone they are being stupid when they are. This is a forum not a "help mekaar" class ;)

I agree that prince is a great batsman and that he should just be moved. State as well that Alviro in for duminy solves opening problem and if they want to Amla can also open with smith.

Alviro would be my first choice replacement because he showed that he has learned a lot from domestic cricket in the 2 years he was left out of the protea sq and that he is on form atm :)



You jealous? We have room for one more.

I agree with that, Prince to move to 4/5, Alviro to open [or, Jacques Rudolph ....]

same as Alviro, he has learned a lot in the last couple of years, and it's showing in the 4 day game.

[phiber]

Talking about hitting in line, not pitching in line :)

CAn hit outside the line as well (if they dont play a shot), as long as the umpire thinks its gonna hit the stumps.

[Devill]

CAn hit outside the line as well (if they dont play a shot), as long as the umpire thinks its gonna hit the stumps.

As far as I know it has to hit inline if the batsman is playing a shot.

Also if it pitches outside leg it can never be given lbw.

[Devill]

Now if we get prior im sure we can wrap up here (prays:o).

If we can get a lead of about 50-70 we will have got a big one up on the pomms :D

[Sting]

if the ball hits you, then yes

if the ball misses you, and comes of the keeper [and you didn't play a shot] then you can run IIRC?

If you are taking evasive action and the ball hits you, you can run a Leg Bye.

If you don't play a shot and the keeper misses or fumbles it, you can run a Bye.

[LancelotSA]

So why does this thread seem to go quiet when South Africa are doing reasonably well but seems to get very noisy only when they are doing badly?

[hilton]

Just heard an interesting stat on the radio.

Throughout the series so far, the over-rate for each side is EXACTLY the same at 3.07 runs per over.

Interesting hey?

[LancelotSA]

Just heard an interesting stat on the radio.

Throughout the series so far, the over-rate for each side is EXACTLY the same at 3.07 runs per over.

Interesting hey?

Run rate?

I don't think these referrals for inside edges are working....

[sand_man]

Who want's to get between Devil and Pumpkin Kings insult orgie? They've jacked this thread... :mad:

Having said that the English have recovered nicely, they were teetering at one stage but have consolidated. We need to knock Broad and Bell over soonish, perhaps 1 before the new ball arrives then we can wrap up the tail!!

[Devill]

Who want's to get between Devil and Pumpkin Kings insult orgie? They've jacked this thread... :mad:

Nr 1:
It is Devill.

Nr 2:
I talk sense while insulting the retard that didn't make the special olympics.

:p:D

We should keep bowling line and length and not fsck it all up because we want to bowl differently to tail enders...

Also when last did we use the Yorker? It is some what of a lost art imo.

[sand_man]

Also when last did we use the Yorker? It is some what of a lost art imo.Damn it I swear I was thinking exactly the same thing watching earlier in the gym...

Dale has a lethal yorker, unplayable when gets it right but I haven't seen him use it in ages!!!!!

[Devill]

Damn it I swear I was thinking exactly the same thing watching earlier in the gym...

Dale has a lethal yorker, unplayable when gets it right but I haven't seen him use it in ages!!!!!

Yeah kallis and Steyn can both on occasion get some reverse swing going. then they are awesome to watch.

[sand_man]

Nice and straight and Steyn knocks Broad over, great delivery!!! Now lets wrap this innings up!!! A 40 run lead will be handy!!!

[Devill]

Nice and straight and Steyn knocks Broad over, great delivery!!! Now lets wrap this innings up!!! A 40 run lead will be handy!!!

Jip any lead actually :p

[Sting]

Come on - take the NEW BALL immediately. Most wickets so far have fallen to the new ball!!

[LancelotSA]

Looks like our bowlers will suffer tomorrow - forecast max is 36 degrees


Pessimism is a terrible thing. We will have England all out by close of play today and they'll be the ones suffering tomorrow! :D

Optimism may still win the day... I don't think it'll be the South African bowlers toiling in the heat tomorrow....

Yes, I am taking a lesson from the Pumpkin and Smooth book of "I told you so" ;)

[Morgoth]

if the ball hits you, then yes

if the ball misses you, and comes of the keeper [and you didn't play a shot] then you can run IIRC?

yup

[killadoob]

Well i think we did really well today, could not have asked for a better day.

We just need to finish the tail something we can never do.

[Morgoth]

yeah, the game is still pretty much a stalemate at the moment, Kotie Grove mentioned today that the only difference between the 2 teams might be the fact that they have a spinner that is on song and we don't.

[phoneJunky]

yeah, the game is still pretty much a stalemate at the moment, Kotie Grove mentioned today that the only difference between the 2 teams might be the fact that they have a spinner that is on song and we don't.

Harris did pretty well in the test series so far, I won't say he is not on song.

[Devill]

If we can clean up the tail quickly without them scoring more than 40 runs we did well enough.

I think batting last on this pitch will be a tad harder than it was the first two days, as there are some cracks slightly widening and as we saw yesterday some variable bounce starting to come through.

[Sting]

Agree. Weather forecast for today?

/gets ready for another "Devill v Pumpkin King" day!

[Chris]

Agree. Weather forecast for today?

/gets ready for another "Devill v Pumpkin King" day!

40 degrees heat today :( At least I'm going to be sitting under a roof at the ground. The only bad thing today will be the exorbitant food prices...the cricket will be just fine (I think) :D

[LancelotSA]

Windguru does not quite agree with these forecasts of 40 degree weather... but 29 is still a warm day! ;)

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/Clipboard0123.jpg

Accuweather showing it a little warmer at 32 degrees.

[Devill]

Agree. Weather forecast for today?

/gets ready for another "Devill v Pumpkin King" day!

Until he answers my questions (or at least one of them) I think I will ignore him for a while till he uses a tad of common sense. :D


40 degrees heat today :( At least I'm going to be sitting under a roof at the ground. The only bad thing today will be the exorbitant food prices...the cricket will be just fine (I think) :D

Are you not allowed to take food in?

I just hope we don't change our whole approuch just because we are bowling to lower/middle order batsmen again :o

Morkel is looking very dangerous and should just keep doing what he is doing. Steyn can try a yorker or two more as he can get the ball to swing both ways.

[Sting]

Yep, Steyn and Morkel must come out firing on all cylinders. Keep it full, let it swing and the occasional short one to break fingers or ribs!!!

[phoneJunky]

We must rap this up quickly, like England did with us. I think you can take food in, are you allowed to take booze in?

[Chris]

Windguru does not quite agree with these forecasts of 40 degree weather... but 29 is still a warm day! ;)

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/medium/Clipboard0123.jpg

Well I read it in the newspaper today...


Scorching temperatures in the Western Cape today could spark runaway fires and heat-related illnesses, leading the City of Cape Town and health authorities to appeal to people to drink enough water and stay in cool places.

-- unfortunately the article seems to be 'premium locked' so I can't quote anymore but I've got the hard copy. Although it does seem a little on the high side. 30 degrees Celcius on News24 & 34 degrees Celcius on weathersa.co.za though.

@Devil: I got a ticket to the members area, not allowed to bring food... maybe I'll sneak in some drinks or something. It's R19 for a Magnum ice-cream :o

[Devill]

We must rap this up quickly, like England did with us. I think you can take food in, are you allowed to take booze in?



@Devil: I got a ticket to the members area, not allowed to bring food... maybe I'll sneak in some drinks or something. It's R19 for a Magnum ice-cream :o

:wtf: That is crazy! Well at Centurion your not allowed any drinks... not even bottled water :(

But food you are allowed anything :)

[LancelotSA]

It is rather interesting to hear Kepler Wessels saying on inside edge that if there was someone knocking on the door in domestic cricket who would be able to open the batting then he needs to come into the team at the expense of Prince. Unfortunately he says that there is no one doing so at the moment... I wonder who all these experts on here actually have in mind?

Further to this Kepler reckons there is no way they'd drop Duminy to fit Prince in...

[Devill]

It is rather interesting to hear Kepler Wessels saying on inside edge that if there was someone knocking on the door in domestic cricket who would be able to open the batting then he needs to come into the team at the expense of Prince. Unfortunately he says that there is no one doing so at the moment... I wonder who all these experts on here actually have in mind?

Further to this Kepler reckons there is no way they'd drop Duminy to fit Prince in...

Only guy I can think of is Alviro. He really has showen that he could be the answer. But as I have also said at the moment I would rather drop duminy as prince has got some peaches in this series.

Also keep an eye on J. Rudolph. His time overseas might just have done him some good. I saw him looking very good batting wise in the 40 over domistic matches.

[killadoob]

Puttick maybe? Try mckenzie(i recall him opening) again he has been in decent form.

[Devill]

Puttick maybe? Try mckenzie(i recall him opening) again he has been in decent form.

McKenzie was dropped because of poor form. I still do not believe Prince has had a bad run it is just that he got blinders which would have got 99% of all batsmen out.

[phoneJunky]

Just booking my tickets for the Wanderers test, does the taverners pavilion block have normal seats or is it also wooden benches. If it has normal seats, why is it cheaper than the other seats? Sorry, first time booking the tickets, normally just tagged along.

[Devill]

Why have they not started?!

[LancelotSA]

Why have they not started?!

...because it is a 10:30 start.

[phoneJunky]

There they started, no one can help me with the seat question?

Edit: Swan is out 241 - 8

[Sting]

Swann out - Morkel you beauty!

[Smooth Criminal]

Swann gone. Well bowled Morne :)

[Devill]

82.4
Morkel to Swann, OUT, awesome delivery, and that is the breakthrough. This one takes off from a good length, glances the shoulder of the bat, and pops easily to Graeme Smith at first slip!

GP Swann c Smith b Morkel 5 (17b 0x4 0x6) SR: 29.41

WOOOOOT!

[LancelotSA]

Ha ha ha watch England tumble too!! Two more down!

So are all those negative ones still around?!?!

[Sting]

Another beauty!!! Anderson first baller!!

[phoneJunky]

Now we are getting into the tail. Hope we wrap this up quickly

[Smooth Criminal]

Anderson gone too :D Morne on a hat trick

[Devill]

82.5
Morkel to Anderson, OUT, It's two in two! Morkel has five as Anderson collects the first golden duck of his career. Angled across the left-hander, extra bounce on a good length, fenced to second slip, and it's utterly bonkers out there

JM Anderson c Smith b Morkel 0 (1m 1b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00

AHAHAHA!

[LancelotSA]

....I know I am usually always positive but.... if we get them out too quick then we have to face the new ball on this pitch in the first hour of play which seems to be a difficult time to bat! But I suppose a 40 run lead will help negate some of that.

[phoneJunky]

Who said test cricket is boring?

[Sting]

....I know I am usually always positive but.... if we get them out too quick then we have to face the new ball on this pitch in the first hour of play which seems to be a difficult time to bat! But I suppose a 40 run lead will help negate some of that.

My thoughts as well. Another 10 minutes of the very heavy roller might help!

[Devill]

....I know I am usually always positive but.... if we get them out too quick then we have to face the new ball on this pitch in the first hour of play which seems to be a difficult time to bat! But I suppose a 40 run lead will help negate some of that.

Yeah but a 40 run lead might just prove veryy very valueble :D

[Smooth Criminal]

....I know I am usually always positive but.... if we get them out too quick then we have to face the new ball on this pitch in the first hour of play which seems to be a difficult time to bat! But I suppose a 40 run lead will help negate some of that.
A better way of looking at it is if we get them out quickly, we can make them toil in the heat for longer! :) And any sort of lead might make the difference in the end.

[phoneJunky]

Looks like this one will not result in a draw, and if if does one team will have to do pretty well to draw this.

[Devill]

Full and straight :D

Knock the last one over now! Then fake a bomb threat... then bat from 12 o'clock :D

[phoneJunky]

Prior is just shrinking that lead easily

[Smooth Criminal]

Prior is just shrinking that lead easily
More than that, he's farming the strike well and only giving Onions 1 or 2 balls to face.

[Devill]

Well if we can score another 350 we should win as they will ahv to bat last. Even 300 might be more than enough.

[phoneJunky]

Well done Steyn my boy 273 all out.

[stefan9]

Good effort by the boys. Unfortuantly prior had quite some during his innings. We need to get 300 in our innings then we should have a great chance to level the series.

Well done to morne and dale. JK also bowled well and friedel kept up the pressure.

[Devill]

bah, England are going to bat through the day. 400+ on the cards

Guess you just can not be right on all accounts :(

[Fuma]

So who will be batting now - SA or Eng?

[phoneJunky]

Guess you just can not be right on all accounts :(

I thought you were going to ignore him?

Good going to the boys, thought we dugg ourselves in a hole yesterday but now, we look good to go.

[Smurfatefrog]

So who will be batting now - SA or Eng?

SA, 18 isn't quite enough to make them follow on :p

[Devill]

I thought you were going to ignore him?

Good going to the boys, thought we dugg ourselves in a hole yesterday but now, we look good to go.

I could I miss that one. And I am ignoring him. I am simply stating that it is a shame the a cricket genius like him must fail some time....


SA, 18 isn't quite enough to make them follow on :p

rofl :D

[LancelotSA]

I thought you were going to ignore him?

Screw ignoring him. He'd be sure to come on here and make all sorts of noise if his "predictions" were even vaguely correct!

[Bizkit87]

SA, 18 isn't quite enough to make them follow on :p

you can only make a team follow on if you bowl them out for 200 runs less that what you've got

so if we got 350, and bowl them out for 149, we can make them bat again, if the get 151, we bat [no choice to send them in again]

Edit: at least now when prince/smith goes out, well technically be 19/1, which will be our best start yet... :D

[phoneJunky]

I just hope Prince get a good score. He must settle in as an opener now.

[Devill]

I just hope Prince get a good score. He must settle in as an opener now.

Aye he has gotten some pearlers but that can not be an excuse for much longer. Hope he diggs in and makes this one count :)

[Devill]

Foooook review :(

EDIT WOOOHOOOOO we got it right :D

[phoneJunky]

Atleast it is not out

[Smooth Criminal]

Finally the review works in our favour!

[Devill]

Finally the review works in our favour!

Actually wished it was england who called for one and got it wrong :p Then they would think twice about calling for one with only one left :D

[Fuma]

In no time, it will be 34/6.

[AMG133]

lol, holding thumbs. They're going well so far.

[phoneJunky]

In no time, it will be 34/6.

Why so negative?

[Bizkit87]

Foooook review :(

EDIT WOOOHOOOOO we got it right :D

what happened? who was given out?

[Devill]

In no time, it will be 34/6.

Do you wish for the SA team to fail. Or are you using reverse psych on Murphy?

[Devill]

what happened? who was given out?

Prince was given out Lbw.

He called for the review, showed it was going down leg :D

We got it right, ruling over turned and prince is still there :D

[Fuma]

Do you wish for the SA team to fail. Or are you using reverse psych on Murphy?

Just like to irk some okes here. It is a possibility though.

Go England.