Cricket: England tour of South Africa 2009/10

[AirWolf]

Hi all:)

The full match schedule is available here (http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/series/387551.html?template=fixtures).

The international matches are below:

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Anyone start a league on Superbru yet?:)

[capetownguy]

cricket overload.

[Devill]

Yeah I have tickets for the pro20 and the ODI at Centurion! woooot!

(I have 4 extra for the pro20 on sunday which im selling for R100 each:p:D)

Actually I do not care so much for the ODI and Pro20s, I am waiting for the test matches!

We have the possibility of a great team.


Smith
Prince
Kallis
AB
Duminey
Boucher
Parnell/A Morkel/M Morkel
Steyn
Harris
Ntini

[BrItIsH LiOn]

England will take this home easily! Go ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JK8]

Yeah I have tickets for the pro20 and the ODI at Centurion! woooot!

(I have 4 extra for the pro20 on sunday which im selling for R100 each:p:D)

Actually I do not care so much for the ODI and Pro20s, I am waiting for the test matches!

We have the possibility of a great team.


Smith
Prince
Kallis
AB
Duminey
Boucher
Parnell/A Morkel/M Morkel
Steyn
Harris
Ntini


Is that the team? Why Prince? What happen to Amla? Why Harris ahead of Botha/Van d Merwe?

[Rosaudio]

England will take this home easily! Go ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RAS :mad:

[Smurfatefrog]

Is that the team? Why Prince? What happen to Amla? Why Harris ahead of Botha/Van d Merwe?
Thats the test team, he only has 10 players in his team so add Amla ;)

[Devill]

Is that the team? Why Prince? What happen to Amla? Why Harris ahead of Botha/Van d Merwe?

1) Read. 10 guys in the team. 1 spot open.

2) It is only my suggestion.

3) Harris is a test bowler. Johan and Roelf not so much. Roelf might turn into one, but botha is in the ODI side for his abillity to keep the run rate down, not his strike bowling.

[AirWolf]

How's the weather in Jozi, for the match tonight?

[JK8]

1) Read. 10 guys in the team. 1 spot open.

2) It is only my suggestion.

3) Harris is a test bowler. Johan and Roelf not so much. Roelf might turn into one, but botha is in the ODI side for his abillity to keep the run rate down, not his strike bowling.

I think Roelof has more to offer than Harris, in all 3 formats of the game.


How's the weather in Jozi, for the match tonight?

Boiling hot, it will rain later, im taking my waterproof jacket:p

[AirWolf]

England won by 1 run D/L method. Fark :mad:

SABC3 have outdone themselves once again - over number 3 when England batted, and overs number 11 and 12 when SA batted were butchered in the "delayed-live" broadcast. Bunch of w*nkers :sick:

[Devill]

I think Roelof has more to offer than Harris, in all 3 formats of the game.

Boiling hot, it will rain later, im taking my waterproof jacket:p

Im a big Roelf fan, but harris has the experience and he has shown that his length helps him when bowling.

Roelfs surprise ball is the yorker length armball. That will not be as effective in test cricket.

But your opinion is your own and I am sure I will not change it.

[hj2k_x]

England won by 1 run D/L method. Fark :mad:

SABC3 have outdone themselves once again - over number 3 when England batted, and overs number 11 and 12 when SA batted were butchered in the "delayed-live" broadcast. Bunch of w*nkers :sick:

Will we ever ever win a D/L decided game? It's like we just don't get it. Still. :o

[c-p]

Why not play the Pro 20 in Cape Town!

[Rosaudio]

Rain forcasted for tomorrow in Centurion :/

[McT]

England will take this home easily! Go ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RAS :mad: ... not a chance!

[McT]

Rain forcasted for tomorrow in Centurion :/

bat first is the only option then ;)

[stefan9]

bat first is the only option then ;)

Nope just to learn to read the d/l charts. Its actually better to bat second when it rains. Our boys just can't read charts.:(

I hope it doesn't rain, I don't want to get wet.

[silent_shadow]

We can lose the pointless T20s for all I care. We just need to win the ODI and test series. Usually you'd say we'd beat England easily in ODIs, but they've beaten us in our last six games together! That's just embarrassing guys specially since England are a crappy ODI side. We need to beat them. Also I hope both KP and Strauss get a reception.

[killadoob]

What a performance, bosman better open in the one dayers, who said bosman cannot compete at this level again?
Smith and bosman are just legends together :D

I hope england go close.

[Fiekus]

All 15 on the field from the same country :p
11 SA players,
2 Eng batsmen,
2 umpires
LOL!

[Smooth Criminal]

What a performance, bosman better open in the one dayers, who said bosman cannot compete at this level again?
Smith and bosman are just legends together :D

I hope england go close.
Who said he sucked? We were jinxing him so that he'd perform :p

But yeah I'll have to concede that he's earned an ODI spot.

[killadoob]

Cannot remember who said it, to lazy to go look it up :D

If he does not get into the one day team i would be shocked.

One thing i cannot understand why did they send in kuhn when he cannot smash the ball? Mclaren and roeloff never got in and both of them can so again i don't get it. Not that it matters but that record would have nice :D.

[stefan9]

Bosman is a great 20/20 player but he is not a 50 over international player. In 50 overs you need to be able to build an innings as an opener. Loots can't do this.

[Mean_Monster]

Will we ever see an England team with Born and Bred Englishmen in them?

[killadoob]

Bosman is a great 20/20 player but he is not a 50 over international player. In 50 overs you need to be able to build an innings as an opener. Loots can't do this.

So you do not think we can benefit from a quick fire 50 or 60 upfront during the first PP of a 50 over game?

Odd gibbs has been doing that for years yet bosman you say is a 20/20 player so i fail to understand your logic in all honesty.

Mean monster who cares who plays for england, honestly does it make a difference?

[Zyzzyva]

I guess there is no harm in using Loots while he is coming off. Long term, unless he evolves to be able to also build an innings they will work out how to get him out. He will then be rendered useless, but until then lets use him as a pinch hitter.

With Morkel and Loots in the team, chasing down big totals should be a breeze.

Gibbs was employed as a pinch hitting opener, and he only came off one out of ten times. Seems like Loots will offer i higher success rate than that.

Going at 19 an over in the Hongkong sixes seems to have rubbed off on Loots.

[Devill]

One thing i cannot understand why did they send in kuhn when he cannot smash the ball? Mclaren and roeloff never got in and both of them can so again i don't get it. Not that it matters but that record would have nice :D.

Because it was his 1st intern game and im sure being in that nice position of already knowing the english will have to chase 10 + / over, would have seen arthur and smith decide to send in Kuhn so he can have a much nicer (relaxed) first batting chance than for instance when SA is 43/5...

[Zyzzyva]

Because it was his 1st intern game and im sure being in that nice position of already knowing the english will have to chase 10 + / over, would have seen arthur and smith decide to send in Kuhn so he can have a much nicer (relaxed) first batting chance than for instance when SA is 43/5...

I was impressed with Kuhn. Not a bad keeper.

Anyone notice how similar all our newer players look.

Kuhn looks like AB when batting.

Ryan looks like Steyn when bowling.

Ryan also looks like AB when batting.

Morkel and Ryan also share near identical bowling actions. (Morkel does have a little flailing hand problem he needs to get rid of.)

[killadoob]

Yea but loots also does not look like that old swing the bat at everything player, he hit the ball when it was there to be hit.

To me he looks like he could an ideal replacement for gibbs in the 50 over game.

[AirWolf]

Well done to SA yesterday:) Impressive performance by Smith and Bosman :D.

I agree with Killa, Bosman should be given a chance in the ODI side after great performances in both T20s.

[Smooth Criminal]

Bosman is a great 20/20 player but he is not a 50 over international player. In 50 overs you need to be able to build an innings as an opener. Loots can't do this.
If he and Smith can get us to 100-150 in the first 15 overs then it's a great platform. We have Kallis and JP who can build the innings, so we don't need the openers to do that too.

I think they should just let him play his natural game. It may be one of the reasons that he hasn't had much success in ODIs - because there was too much pressure on him to building an innings.


Morkel and Ryan also share near identical blowing actions.
I can't really judge on that, but I'll take your word for it :D

[killadoob]

Even if bosman gets a quick 30 or 40, he has done his job and he can let the builders go from there.

[Zyzzyva]

I can't really judge on that, but I'll take your word for it :D

lol, classic.

Typo fixed.

[stefan9]

So you do not think we can benefit from a quick fire 50 or 60 upfront during the first PP of a 50 over game?

Odd gibbs has been doing that for years yet bosman you say is a 20/20 player so i fail to understand your logic in all honesty.

Mean monster who cares who plays for england, honestly does it make a difference?

As inconsistent as gibbs is , he has always been more consistent than bosman. Their respective records speaks for themselves. Loots isn't some up and coming 19 year old, he has been on the scene for quite some time.

[Smooth Criminal]

As inconsistent as gibbs is , he has always been more consistent than bosman. Their respective records speaks for themselves. Loots isn't some up and coming 19 year old, he has been on the scene for quite some time.
He's only played 11 (?) ODIs though. Gibbs would make a decent score and then go for 11 ODIs scoring 11 runs :D

[AirWolf]

As inconsistent as gibbs is , he has always been more consistent than bosman. Their respective records speaks for themselves. Loots isn't some up and coming 19 year old, he has been on the scene for quite some time.

Definitely not a fair comparison considering the number of matches played by each.

Edit: Wow, Bosman is 32:eek: I thought he was much younger than that :o.

[Devill]

Yea but loots also does not look like that old swing the bat at everything player, he hit the ball when it was there to be hit.

To me he looks like he could an ideal replacement for gibbs in the 50 over game.

And who are we dropping? Smith? Kallis? AB? Albie? Duminey? Amla? Mmmm who's place will he be taking?


Well done to SA yesterday:) Impressive performance by Smith and Bosman :D.

I agree with Killa, Bosman should be given a chance in the ODI side after great performances in both T20s.

I would use him in the SA A side. He would have to open and I doubt he is getting the nod ahead of kallis or smith.. I could be wrong however.


Definitely not a fair comparison considering the number of matches played by each.

Edit: Wow, Bosman is 32:eek: I thought he was much younger than that :o.

I am a bosman fan BUT go look at his 1st class record. It is patchy and yes maybe he does deserve to be pulled up to odi level BUT again who will you drop from the current team?

[AirWolf]

And who are we dropping? Smith? Kallis? AB? Albie? Duminey? Amla? Mmmm who's place will he be taking?



I would use him in the SA A side. He would have to open and I doubt he is getting the nod ahead of kallis or smith.. I could be wrong however.



I am a bosman fan BUT go look at his 1st class record. It is patchy and yes maybe he does deserve to be pulled up to odi level BUT again who will you drop from the current team?

Gibbs?:erm:

[sox63]

As much as I'm a fan of Loots, his way of playing is very predictable. When its full, he goes over cover or mid-off. When short, its the pull shot. I watched a lot of Eagles games, and when its pitched back of a length consistantly, he begins to panic and does something stupid.

Amla, although a LOT slower, is a better bet at opening. I'm still not convinced with Kallis opening.

[AirWolf]

As much as I'm a fan of Loots, his way of playing is very predictable. When its full, he goes over cover or mid-off. When short, its the pull shot. I watched a lot of Eagles games, and when its pitched back of a length consistantly, he begins to panic and does something stupid.

Amla, although a LOT slower, is a better bet at opening. I'm still not convinced with Kallis opening.

Good thing the English didn't know that:D.

[killadoob]

What do you mean who would we be dropping? nobody because gibbs is not in the team so bosman can slot in there.

Sadly comparing Gibbs and bosman is a bit silly.

Amla opening? Geez well that should get us 40 off the first 15 if smithers goes early. Amla and kallis :eek:

Trouble with south africa is they want 5 day players in a 50 over match. FFS gibbs only came off once every 5 or 6 games yet he played every single ODI if he was fit.

Bosman to replace gibbs with nobody being dropped other than gibbs.

[sox63]

What do you mean who would we be dropping? nobody because gibbs is not in the team so bosman can slot in there.

Sadly comparing Gibbs and bosman is a bit silly.

Amla opening? Geez well that should get us 40 off the first 15 if smithers goes early. Amla and kallis :eek:

Trouble with south africa is they want 5 day players in a 50 over match. FFS gibbs only came off once every 5 or 6 games yet he played every single ODI if he was fit.

Bosman to replace gibbs with nobody being dropped other than gibbs.

IIRC, Gibbs did not make the squad for the first 3 games. The only person that COULD, be dropped is Amla.

But I'm sure if he does not post a good innings in the first 3 games, Bosman is in. And it also depends on how Gibbs does in the SA "A" Side.

[killadoob]

Yikes amla or bosman, must be an easy choice for selectors but being SA Amla will get the go :(.

[stefan9]

Definitely not a fair comparison considering the number of matches played by each.

Edit: Wow, Bosman is 32:eek: I thought he was much younger than that :o.

Was referring to their first class and domestic careers as well. Gibbs is inconsistent but bosman is more inconsistent. The guy should be in the 20/20 team but not the odi side.

My side for the first odi would be:

1.Smith
2.Kallis
3.AB
4.JP
5.Peterson ( not a big fan but the likes of vandiar,rossouw and elgar aren't ready yet)
6.Morkel(Batting all rounder not a bowling one imho and needs to bat higher)
7.Boucher
8.McClaren
9.Van der Merwe
10. Steyn
11.Langeveld

When parnell is fit again it will be between him,langeveld and mcclaren for two spots.

I am opting for van der merwe ahead of botha. Since he can't bolw his ****ra anymore he has become predictable.

I think this is a very balanced side. You have 6 bowling options(7 if you include JP) and you bat down to number 9. Kallis is an opener is a question mark but he has batted at number 3 in odi's all his career so he has faced the new ball a lot. Smith is an attacking player anyway so that should help kallis.

[Devill]

Gibbs?:erm:

Look at the team below and tell me again who are we dropping?


Was referring to their first class and domestic careers as well. Gibbs is inconsistent but bosman is more inconsistent. The guy should be in the 20/20 team but not the odi side.

My side for the first odi would be:

1.Smith
2.Kallis
3.AB
4.JP
5.Peterson ( not a big fan but the likes of vandiar,rossouw and elgar aren't ready yet)
6.Morkel(Batting all rounder not a bowling one imho and needs to bat higher)
7.Boucher
8.McClaren
9.Van der Merwe
10. Steyn
11.Langeveld


I would send albiein at 5 and drop mclaren for parnell whenhe recovers.




I think this is a very balanced side. You have 6 bowling options(7 if you include JP) and you bat down to number 9. Kallis is an opener is a question mark but he has batted at number 3 in odi's all his career so he has faced the new ball a lot. Smith is an attacking player anyway so that should help kallis.

Kallis showed that he is more than able to open in the pro20s. He is fitter than ever and with him there smith can be a bit more attacking. The same goes for anyone coming in afterwards.

[Stephen]

Hi All

A strange question, does anyone know if one of Paul Harris parents is South African or are they both Zimbabwean.

Thanks

[iDOL]

Found in the UK Daily Mail - "'When Trott and Pietersen were batting, there were 15 South Africans on the field with the umpires. Then an Irishman came in. We were searching for the Englishmen!' – South Africa coach Mickey Arthur goes for the jugular

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1228293/THE-TOP-SPIN-England-pay-price-failure-adapt.html#ixzz0X7DEJwO1

[sox63]

Does anyone know if the SA "A" with England is televised? Should be a cracker of a game.

[Devill]

Does anyone know if the SA "A" with England is televised? Should be a cracker of a game.

They playing today?

[sox63]

They playing today?

According to Cricinfo...

[sox63]

SA "A" 120/1 (21.3 Overs)

They going well, with Gibbs and Vaughn Van Jaarsveld in next.

EDIT: As I typed the above Roussouw was run out. :(

[stefan9]

Good effort from Kuhn to guide the side to 279/9. One of the top 5 really should have gotten a bigger score especially puttick but still a good effort. If I were an english fan I would be worried about that bowling attack.

[elysian]

Yay, Tsotsobe just got KP out. :D

England XI require another 143 runs with 7 wickets and 21.4 overs remaining
England XI RR 4.84
Last 5 ovs 21/1 RR 4.20
Required RR 6.60

[stefan9]

Don't think any of the a team bowlers would have done much to worry those in the main side. Best bowler was Dean Elgar and he rarely bowls for the eagles. The others were very very poor looking at the scorecard and run rates.

[sox63]

Don't think any of the a team bowlers would have done much to worry those in the main side. Best bowler was Dean Elgar and he rarely bowls for the eagles. The others were very very poor looking at the scorecard and run rates.

The lack of bowling depth is starting to worry me. I mean nobody in the team, really stands out as the "next big thing".

Our batting depth seems fine. Boucher seems to have some serious competition for his place from Kuhn.

[Devill]

The lack of bowling depth is starting to worry me. I mean nobody in the team, really stands out as the "next big thing".

Our batting depth seems fine. Boucher seems to have some serious competition for his place from Kuhn.

They pop up from nowhere :D

And Parnell and Steyn are good to go for another 2 - 3 years.

M Morkel is another young guy.

We are going to miss Kallis the day he retires... He always gives you a better than average bowling option for 1st or second change.

[jvk]

when does the first ODI start ?

[Devill]

when does the first ODI start ?

Friday IIRC. Then another on Sunday. Etc etc

[Stephen]

The lack of bowling depth is starting to worry me. I mean nobody in the team, really stands out as the "next big thing".

Our batting depth seems fine. Boucher seems to have some serious competition for his place from Kuhn.

You guys are bit harsh, remember Steyn was dropped when he first started. Plus dont forget besides Gibbs that side was very inexperienced even by List A standards compared to that English side.

SA A side: 886 list A games played (This includes 374 from 1 player - Gibbs)
England side: 1415 list A games played

Plus we didnt exactly get hammered

[AirWolf]

when does the first ODI start ?


Friday IIRC. Then another on Sunday. Etc etc

All the international games are listed in the OP ;).

[AirWolf]

You guys are bit harsh, remember Steyn was dropped when he first started. Plus dont forget besides Gibbs that side was very inexperienced even by List A standards compared to that English side.

SA A side: 886 list A games played (This includes 374 from 1 player - Gibbs)
England side: 1415 list A games played

Plus we didnt exactly get hammered

The England XI was basically their normal international team.

[Stephen]

The England XI was basically their normal international team.

There bowling line up wasnt, but there batting was almost full strength

[Devill]

There bowling line up wasnt, but there batting was almost full strength

Jip. Wonder if br666666d will recover before friday.

[Stephen]

Jip. Wonder if br666666d will recover before friday.

Apparently missing the first 2 games

[Devill]

See it is more than likely McL will be chosen ahead of Parnell for the first ODI :D

Good to see the back up for the Proteas be this strong :)

[Smooth Criminal]

See it is more than likely McL will be chosen ahead of Parnell for the first ODI :D

Good to see the back up for the Proteas be this strong :)
14 degrees forecast for Jhb tomorrow. It's gonna be a pointless day for cricket anyway :(

[McT]

See it is more than likely McL will be chosen ahead of Parnell for the first ODI :D

Good to see the back up for the Proteas be this strong :)

Parnell needs some to get some time in bowling before he comes back. No good him coming back rusty and going for mega per over.

[McT]

14 degrees forecast for Jhb tomorrow. It's gonna be a pointless day for cricket anyway :(

Yip! Conditions look suitable for the English. They'd be grinning broadly at the prospects of a perfect summer's day at Lords. :rolleyes:

[Devill]

14 degrees forecast for Jhb tomorrow. It's gonna be a pointless day for cricket anyway :(

Lol, as long as sunday is nice (Im going :D) im happy.


Parnell needs some to get some time in bowling before he comes back. No good him coming back rusty and going for mega per over.

Aye. It is also nice to see that we did not just convince McL to give up his Kolpac agreement to throw him to the side.


Yip! Conditions look suitable for the English. They'd be grinning broadly at the prospects of a perfect summer's day at Lords. :rolleyes:

ROFL :D

[Zyzzyva]

So Duncan fletcher has joined the squad again. Nice - should be able to share some secrets.

[Devill]

So Duncan fletcher has joined the squad again. Nice - should be able to share some secrets.

Yeah i think he helped a bit for that test series win in Aus as well. Clever mickey mouse :D

[sand_man]

Doubt there will cricket at the Wanderers tomorrow. Been raining the whole day today and last night and more expected tomorrow...:mad:

[sand_man]

Still raining...

[killadoob]

There will be no cricket today, damn my weather thingie says it is 8 degrees with sprinkles in flippin november!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Devill]

There will be no cricket today, damn my weather thingie says it is 8 degrees with sprinkles in flippin november!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well if this goes on no cricket for sunday either!

I have 4 tickets! :mad: Fooookers!

[killadoob]

Nope my weather thing says sunday will be over cast and 22 degrees so there may be hope. No rain.

Today there is no hope that seems certain but sunday has a 70/30 chance i reckon :D

[sand_man]

Nope my weather thing says sunday will be over cast and 22 degrees so there may be hope. No rain.

Today there is no hope that seems certain but sunday has a 70/30 chance i reckon :D
Yeah today is a goner. Has not stopped raining!!!

[jvk]

cr@p i was really looking forward to some good cricket today. guess i'll have to get a movie tonight then. i was looking forward to seeing trott against steyn.

[Devill]

cr@p i was really looking forward to some good cricket today. guess i'll have to get a movie tonight then. i was looking forward to seeing trott against steyn.

Getting pizza annd dvds with the new GF. Then my duty is done.

Come sunday I want to see some cricket!:mad:

[jvk]

Getting pizza annd dvds with the new GF. Then my duty is done.

Come sunday I want to see some cricket!:mad:

you gonna eat the pizza on or off the gf :p

[sand_man]

ooooh... Nothing more intriguing than new relationships!!!

[Devill]

you gonna eat the pizza on or off the gf :p

Will have to wait and see :p:D


ooooh... Nothing more intriguing than new relationships!!!

Yeah its the first time I have dated a younger girl... even though its only by a year.

She has a honours degree in Psychology... That does bother me a tad :p

Ps what do you guys think of McL... and no not for dating damnit:mad:

[killadoob]

you gonna eat the pizza on or off the gf :p

Sushi pizza is all the rage at the moment :D.

honours degree in Psychology: Got a feeling the girl is going to be crazy in bed :D or she will fuq with your mind so badly you will never recover haha.

[Devill]

Sushi pizza is all the rage at the moment :D.

honours degree in Psychology: Got a feeling the girl is going to be crazy in bed :D or she will fuq with your mind so badly you will never recover haha.

:p:D

Well thats the problem what if she does both?

[killadoob]

LOL no problem as long as it both and not just the mind fuq thing :D.

[Devill]

LOL no problem as long as it both and not just the mind fuq thing :D.

Haha :D

Ok enough about my love life.

Back to cricket!

So what do you guys think of McL?

Also do you guys rate Kuhn? I know I do.

[killadoob]

Well the only way to really know is give them a run in the team i reckon.

We need to be a bit like the bokke at the moment and try them out even if we lose. We need to build for the future because a few of our players are getting on a bit.

[Smooth Criminal]

I'm disappointed that Bosman wasn't given a chance. He played well in both T20s, and even though it's a different format, it still shows his skill if left to play his natural game.

Loots Bosman, who last week came within a six-hit of the second century in Twenty20 history, has not even been selected for the ODI squad, which can be taken either as an oversight or a show of South Africa's strength in depth.

[stefan9]

I like mcclaren. Feel he will fill the bowling allrounder role in the odi side very well.

[sand_man]

Agree on Bosman Smooth...

McL looks the real deal, time will tell...

[Devill]

I'm disappointed that Bosman wasn't given a chance. He played well in both T20s, and even though it's a different format, it still shows his skill if left to play his natural game.

The problem is who would you drop to make space for him?


I like mcclaren. Feel he will fill the bowling allrounder role in the odi side very well.

Aye between him Albie and Roelf we will fill Kallis' role once he retires.

I like the setup of:

Smith
Kallis
Amla (3) / Peterson (5) / gibbs (3) Another batsman
AB
Duminey
Albie
Boucher
Mclaren
Roelf vd merwe
Botha (if he ever recovers his bowling variation) / Parnell / M Morkel / Tsostobe / another bowler
Steyn

Then we have:

4 proper bowlers (steyn / McL / Roelf / +1 of the above)
3 Bowlers to make up the 5th bowler ( Kallis, Duminy, Albie)
We bat up to nr 9 (maybe even 10 if a "good" tail ender, which botha, M Morkel and Parnell, are.)

[sox63]

Agree on Bosman Smooth...

McL looks the real deal, time will tell...

The current squad is just for the first 3 ODIs. Barring an exceptional opening pair performance by Kallis and Smith, he should be in the squad for the subsequent games.

[stefan9]

Based on what?? The guys is a good t20 player, he hasn't done much for the dolphins in the 40 over domestic comp so far this season. Sorry but Bosman doesn't deserve a place in the 50 over side.

[Rosaudio]

Would have been great to have todays match in CT. Weather is perfect :)

[hoegh]

Would have been great to have todays ODI in CT. Weather is perfect :)

im so bummed about the weather, i had my headphones ready to listen while at the office and now all i get is how bloody wet it is and flood warning blah blah blah, screwed up my whole afternoon :(

[killadoob]

Well i am not unhappy about the rain my aunt over in PE i think can only bath once a week because they have such bad water shortages.

So i would rather a few lost cricket matches and be able to shower twice a day :D.

[stefan9]

Game washed out. Hopefully sunday is better. Dam english bring their weather with them.:(

[stefan9]

Big blow especially with the bowling. Hashim has never let us down when he has gottent the chance in the odi's and I am sure he will do a good job again. The bowling is the bigger worry since now jp and albie need to bowl 10 overs between them.

For the tests if he doesn't make it, prince probably moves down the order and one of puttick,khan or cook gets a chance.


Kallis ruled out of one-day series

Cricinfo staff

November 21, 2009
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Jacques Kallis has been ruled out of the one-day series against England with a fractured rib and is also doubtful for the opening Test at Centurion Park on December 16.

It is thought Kallis suffered the injury during last month's Champions League in India but the seriousness of the problem was only revealed in recent days when he underwent a scan after the pain hadn't disappeared.

"He just wasn't getting better from that injury," Mickey Arthur, the South Africa coach, said. "We had him re-scanned this morning and found there is a fracture in the cartilage of the rib - which clearly affects his performances for the next four weeks.

His absence will be a significant blow to South Africa and means they will need to adjust the balance of their side to cover for the loss of a batsman and a bowler.

Kallis was set to partner Graeme Smith at the top of the order in a reshaped batting line-up, but now there will have to be another rethink. Hashim Amla is the likely replacement as opener, but the selectors may be tempted to call up Loots Bosman after his exceptional performances during the Twenty20 series including a 45-ball 94 in the second match at Centurion Park.

The opening game of the series at the Wanderers was abandoned without a ball bowled on Friday but the forecast is better for Sunday's meeting at Centurion.

More to follow

[BrItIsH LiOn]

I just can't see England losing the test series...South Africa might win the ODI's

[stefan9]

I just can't see England losing the test series...South Africa might win the ODI's

We shall see. I can't see SA losing any of test or odi series. Man for man the sa side is the better side. That doesn't always translate on to the field but I am confident in the boys.

[Fiekus]

No activity here today??

SA 155/5 32.4 overs

[killadoob]

Yea not looking for us i reckon, could be bowled out before 50 :(.

Not much to come.

[Fiekus]

Morkel goes for 6...
165/6 after 36.2

[killadoob]

Looking bad

[Fiekus]

250 after 50 overs.... Eng will prob go 1 up unless Steyn and Langers get us off to a good start.

[killadoob]

Yup most of our wicket we gave them, looks a good pitch and england should walk this one.

Having said that we do have 250 and can defend it if we bowl well.

[LancelotSA]

One Australian on the field and all the rest are South African! ;)

[LancelotSA]

Yup most of our wicket we gave them, looks a good pitch and england should walk this one.

Having said that we do have 250 and can defend it if we bowl well.

Ha ha that is the most non committal post I have ever read! ;)

[Fiekus]

just when Albie Morkel's bowling was being written off in the over, he castles KP :D

[c-p]

Bowled Petersen, Albie what a beauty. Proteas all the way.

[killadoob]

Ha ha that is the most non committal post I have ever read! ;)

Why england will canter in if we do not bowl well.

Our bowling i think is about the weakest i have seen in many years.

[sand_man]

Our insipid bowling attack has been made to look more so on this flat deck...

250 is probably 30-40 shy of a good total but 250 if your bowlers are firing would be more than enough!! Ours are not!!! Traditionally our strength lately our bowling seems to be our weakness!!!!

[Chris]

I think the fact that Kallis is injured has taken away some of the depth of our bowling attack. I think Albie is a weak link in the bowling attack, even though he took the wicket of Pieterson. He goes for far too many runs most of the time.

[stefan9]

Toss played a crucial role. Pitch always gets better in the afternoon when its a day game. Batsmen let the side down, never gave the side enough runs. Need a big partnership like england got and needed one of amla or jp to get a big one.

Need to lift our game.

[killadoob]

Dude SA cricket is on the decline big time.

Albie has been good but we need to try someone else. He cannot bowl well, his batting has been poor of late.

We need a wicket taker!!!!!!!!!!!!

[McT]

We just batted poorly on a good track ... regardless of toss, that's one we should have been a lot more competitive in :(

Bowling a little wayward, too many extras, but otherwise they never had enough to defend against a good English batting line up.

Actually their batting looks quite solid with some nice newbies in the team.

SA are going to have fight much harder if the want even a small sniff in the next game!

[McT]

/sigh

feels like I wasted a day watching a lame horse!

[CHURCHILL]

I just can't see England losing the test series...South Africa might win the ODI's

Maybe we should rethink this, looks like we have a good chance of taking the ODI's aswell.:D

[jpreid]

Our bowling is Pathetic , We have a solid Batting Line UP, When a team scores 250 you should win 6/10 games. In the Past our Bowlers could defends scores around 200. I mean the last time we played Eng ICC Trophy the bowlers leaked 320+, Not to mention we have now lost our last 7 ODI games against England. Its Time Mickey goes , We have nothing to show this year. Don't get me started on Rusty Roelof , he bats so high and average 4.00 in Odi cricket.

[Morgoth]

I just don't see why our system can't accommodate players like Trott, Peterson , prior and tons of others in the English county game, there is seriously something wrong on the provincial level. At the moment we are getting beaten by our B team.

[stefan9]

I just don't see why our system can't accommodate players like Trott, Peterson , prior and tons of others in the English county game, there is seriously something wrong on the provincial level. At the moment we are getting beaten by our B team.

KP yes. Trott had more than his fair share of chances at domestic level with WP before leaving. He simply wasn't good enough back then. The guy is in great form currently but I can't see him being better than our current players. Prior wouldn't play for SA, boucher is better than him.

Really the only genuine wc player we missed out on was kp.

SA side is just in poor form. If they play to their potential they are the better side. When that will happen is anoter matter.

[DVD007]

Cricket sucks at this stage.

[Fiekus]

http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Cricket/EnglandinSA/3513/ec0a246193bc4d24a91c8002a5284eb4/22-11-2009-10-52/Proteas_send_Gibbs_a_SOS



Johannesburg – The South African cricket team on Sunday sent a SOS to Herschelle Gibbs.

This follows a poor batting performance in Sunday’s second one-day international, which ended in a seven-wicket defeat for the Proteas.

[killadoob]

LOL

Selectors are so stupid. I hope he turns them down and lets them suffer.

[AirWolf]

http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Cricket/EnglandinSA/3513/ec0a246193bc4d24a91c8002a5284eb4/22-11-2009-10-52/Proteas_send_Gibbs_a_SOS

:erm: Gibbs? Are the selectors stupid or something?

[killadoob]

Why gibbs is a great opening bat.

Even bosman would do well. Amla is good for tests :D.

[stefan9]

Why gibbs is a great opening bat.

Even bosman would do well. Amla is good for tests :D.

Amla scored at over a run a ball before ab and smith got out. His run rate was fine. He averages nearly 50 in odi cricket with a strikerate of 83 more than good enough.

[killadoob]

Amla scored at over a run a ball before ab and smith got out. His run rate was fine. He averages nearly 50 in odi cricket with a strikerate of 83 more than good enough.

Ya i suppose you have a point but dammit i love gibbs as the opener :D.

[Stephen]

We just batted poorly on a good track ... regardless of toss, that's one we should have been a lot more competitive in :(

Bowling a little wayward, too many extras, but otherwise they never had enough to defend against a good English batting line up.

Actually their batting looks quite solid with some nice newbies in the team.

SA are going to have fight much harder if the want even a small sniff in the next game!

No that pitch was perfect at the start for those England dibbly dobbler county trundlers. I still think Proteas will win the ODI's and tests

[killadoob]

I don't see how we will win the odi's and tests with our bowling attack which is piss poor at the moment.

[poffle]

yeah i feel our bowling let us down the most. Albie is a waste of time. Maclaren just doesn't have that nack for breaking a partnership or causing the batsmen a lot of problems. Langeveld and steyn can stay, i wonder if Morne morkel will ever get a call up again.

[killadoob]

Well we need to try out some guys in the odi's because we cannot go into the tests without wicket takers.

[CHURCHILL]

No that pitch was perfect at the start for those England dibbly dobbler county trundlers. I still think Proteas will win the ODI's and tests

I bet you also one of those guy's who blamed the singing of the Anthem and the Flag being upside down for the Bok loss to the french.

Is Centurion not supposed to be one of the Proteas hunting grounds, they should have known how the pitch responds at different times of the day.

If the proteas lose on friday aswell, i suppose we can blame the fact that they are tired and played to much cricket this year, because i cannot think of any other excuses that can be used.

[killadoob]

Yea i am not sure why excuses are being used, we got out play simple and straight forward.

England are a very strong side at the moment. I think i heard the commentator say england have won the last 6 odi's against us.

[Smooth Criminal]

They should bring Diepenaar back as opener and let Gibbs bat at 3 ;)

[Smooth Criminal]

If the proteas lose on friday aswell, i suppose we can blame the fact that they are tired and played to much cricket this year, because i cannot think of any other excuses that can be used.

There are no excuses - they were simply outplayed. They batted poorly and bowled poorly. England didn't exactly bowl well, but they batted way better than SA did.

[stefan9]

I bet you also one of those guy's who blamed the singing of the Anthem and the Flag being upside down for the Bok loss to the french.

Is Centurion not supposed to be one of the Proteas hunting grounds, they should have known how the pitch responds at different times of the day.

If the proteas lose on friday aswell, i suppose we can blame the fact that they are tired and played to much cricket this year, because i cannot think of any other excuses that can be used.

If they bat second and lose we know why. Side that bats second at newlands under lights lose 8/10 times.

Proteas usually win the toss at centurion and bat second in day games. Ofcourse they knew how the pitch would respond which is why smith said they were 30 runs light. They needed more runs but its harder to get them in the morning session at centurion day games. Once the sun gets on the pitch the pitch speeds up and it becomes a great batting pitch. As we saw when colly and trot were batting.

The side should have played better but the toss did play a crucial role. If you read up on the stats at the ground you would know this.

[killadoob]

So stefan you do not agree that we bowled and batted poorly?

[Stephen]

I bet you also one of those guy's who blamed the singing of the Anthem and the Flag being upside down for the Bok loss to the french.

Is Centurion not supposed to be one of the Proteas hunting grounds, they should have known how the pitch responds at different times of the day.

If the proteas lose on friday aswell, i suppose we can blame the fact that they are tired and played to much cricket this year, because i cannot think of any other excuses that can be used.

Please show quotes where I blamed the singing and flag for the Boks loss.

Not mentioning the conditions is quite frankly naive.

Even as a Protea supporter and anti all things English sport, thought ths match was ridiculously unfair:

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63860.html

But I suppose it was fair for both teams :rolleyes:

[CHURCHILL]

If they bat second and lose we know why. Side that bats second at newlands under lights lose 8/10 times.

Proteas usually win the toss at centurion and bat second in day games. Ofcourse they knew how the pitch would respond which is why smith said they were 30 runs light. They needed more runs but its harder to get them in the morning session at centurion day games. Once the sun gets on the pitch the pitch speeds up and it becomes a great batting pitch. As we saw when colly and trot were batting.

The side should have played better but the toss did play a crucial role. If you read up on the stats at the ground you would know this.

I disagree, the luck of the coin might play a small role in the outcome of a match, but according to alot of people, the English are a useless side and should have been smashed by the Proteas on any given day and any given pitch, and this is not happening.

So if the coin toss is the deciding factor on this tour, then the English team must be given more credit and are just as good as SA if its a 50/50 call before hand.

[killadoob]

The english have been a rubbish team in previous years but they are not rubbish anymore.

[CHURCHILL]

Please show quotes where I blamed the singing and flag for the Boks loss.

Not mentioning the conditions is quite frankly naive.

Even as a Protea supporter and anti all things English sport, thought ths match was ridiculously unfair:

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63860.html

But I suppose it was fair for both teams :rolleyes:

You just seem like the type of person who wont accept defeat graciously, and must always find someone or something to blame for the loss.

looking at your anti English outburst, this loss must be a very difficult pill to swallow.

[Devill]

The english bowling wasnt good we simply batted k@k. And then we bowled k@k.

[killadoob]

The english bowling wasnt good we simply batted k@k. And then we bowled k@k.

Yup

Had nothing to do with the pitch. We can try and blame the toss but if you look at the wickets we lost, they had nothing to do with the pitch.

[alf101]

The english bowling wasnt good we simply batted k@k. And then we bowled k@k.

But otherwise we did ok.

Waiting for the tests to start, these odi's and T20's are boring. Just too many of them.

[Smooth Criminal]

But otherwise we did ok.

Waiting for the tests to start, these odi's and T20's are boring. Just too many of them.
I'm not sure if we'll be able to take 20 wickets. It was great when Morne Morkel was taking wickets on the days that Steyn wasn't. But now it just seems like our backup bowling is lacking a bit. If Steyn doesn't fire then we may be screwed.

[stefan9]

I disagree, the luck of the coin might play a small role in the outcome of a match, but according to alot of people, the English are a useless side and should have been smashed by the Proteas on any given day and any given pitch, and this is not happening.

So if the coin toss is the deciding factor on this tour, then the English team must be given more credit and are just as good as SA if its a 50/50 call before hand.

If both sides play to their full potential the proteas are a better side. But at the moment the english side is playing close to their potential with the exception of kp while very few of the proteas if any are in top form.

They won't smash the english but they will beat them if they play to their potential. But for the moment the english are playing the better cricket.

[Stephen]

You just seem like the type of person who wont accept defeat graciously, and must always find someone or something to blame for the loss.

looking at your anti English outburst, this loss must be a very difficult pill to swallow.

No actually its only one game - still chance for an open bus tour for the Proteas at the end of the ODI's.

I learnt my graciousness from the British and Irish Lions coach

[Sting]

Just goes to show what a huge difference Jacques Kallis makes to the Proteas team!!

[Smooth Criminal]

Just goes to show what a huge difference Jacques Kallis makes to the Proteas team!!

It may or may not have made a difference. We've won games both when Kallis contributed and when he didn't. So there's no point in blaming his absence for the poor performance.

[AirWolf]

240 in 20 overs, and 250 in 50 overs. 30 overs more got us 10 runs more:eek: Sies :sick:

[Smooth Criminal]

240 in 20 overs, and 250 in 50 overs. 30 overs more got us 10 runs more:eek: Sies :sick:

Don't say that - they'll blame the rain even though everything dried up :/

Not to mention that it was played on the same ground.

[Sting]

Bad day at the office. Whether batting first or not, one of the top order must bat through and make a 100. This frees up the other batsmen to be mor efluent and less tentative.

Bowling was below par.

[silent_shadow]

England have now beaten us 6 odis in a row. :sick:

Doesn't matter, I'm sure we'll bounce back on Friday. The batting order will need to take more responsibility.

[stefan9]

Don't say that - they'll blame the rain even though everything dried up :/

Not to mention that it was played on the same ground.

Except that we batted in the afternoon in the t20, not the morning.;)

Anyway gibbs is back. Wonder how and if they will include him in the first 11.


Herschelle Gibbs to replace injured Jacques Kallis

Cricinfo staff

November 23, 2009
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Herschelle Gibbs top scored with a 35-ball 55, South Africa v West Indies, ICC World Twenty20 Super Eights, The Oval, June 13, 2009
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South African batsman Herschelle Gibbs has been confirmed as Jacques Kallis' replacement for the remainder of the ODI series against England. Kallis fractured his rib during last month's Champions Twenty20 League in India and is also doubtful for the opening Test in Centurion on December 16. Kallis played the second Twenty20 international in Centurion and scored 7, but did not bowl.

Gibbs will join the squad in Cape Town on Wednesday, ahead of the third ODI which starts two days later. He last played for South Africa during the Champions Trophy in September but failed to make the squad for the limited-overs games against Zimbabwe and England. He also had a forgettable outing in the Champions League in India, scoring just 43 runs in four games for the Cape Cobras. He scored 42 of those in the semi-final against Trinidad and Tobago, but prior to that he had recorded two first-ball ducks.

However, he was in good form for the Cobras in the MTN 40-over competition at home, scoring 163 runs in four games. He was given a lifeline by the selectors when he was picked for the A squad to play England in Potchefstroom last week, where he scored 24. With Kallis on the sidelines, Gibbs will have a second chance at regaining his spot.

[Fiekus]

England have now beaten us 6 odis in a row. :sick:

Doesn't matter, I'm sure we'll bounce back on Friday. The batting order will need to take more responsibility.

Yes agreed but the bowlers will have to come to the party too. Normally after your opening bowlers have finished their first spells, you expect the opposition to be 2 or maybe even 3 down.

[McT]

England have now beaten us 6 odis in a row. :sick:

Doesn't matter, I'm sure we'll bounce back on Friday. The batting order will need to take more responsibility.

Yeah ... this is positively :sick:

[Sapcat]

What do you guys think about experimenting with Loots in the ODI side?

[killadoob]

What do you guys think about experimenting with Loots in the ODI side?

+1000000000000

Trouble is SA cricket does not experiment, they will rather see us going down the drain than experiment or change tactics.

Mickey arthur must F off.

[stefan9]

What do you guys think about experimenting with Loots in the ODI side?

No, he doesn't hack it in the 40 over domestic cricket, he won't do it in internationals either. There's a big difference between 50 over cricket and 20/20. a Lot of these calls for loots are based on an either different format of the game.

[sand_man]

Mickey arthur must F off.Agreed!!!! I dislike him immensely!!! He is not meticulous enough to be coaching at this level...

[sand_man]

What do you guys think about experimenting with Loots in the ODI side?I would give him a bash. He's quite explosive at the top of the order. There enough cautious and technically astute batters to rebuild an innings should he go out cheaply. The man should open and with a license to lash at everything.

The thing is getting a teams balance right is very tricky. I would inclined to drop Mark Boucher and let AB keep wicket.

My 50 over side: 1)Smith
2)Loots
3) Kallis
4) Gibbs
5)Amla
6) AB
7) JP
8) Albie Morkel
9) Parnell
10) Steyn
11)Langeveld

[killadoob]

I would actually drop morkel, boucher is a match winner and a proven one at that.

Stefan the first 15 overs of a one day are identical to pro 20 man except if loots gets going he has 15 overs and not 6.

Why do we always want to be so cautious up front? as sandman says we have plenty plodders to back loots up should he go early. Kallis is out so best choose another one :D. Keep boucher in for the injured kallis and that side looks deadly.

[alf101]

1. Make Johan Botha captain of the ODI side.
2. dump Micky

[killadoob]

No i think smithers does a great job, he is let down by batting and bowling. Our problem is not our captain.

Micky must go for sure, get kirsten from india :D.

[AirWolf]

What do we have to lose by testing out Loots in the ODI side? You guys are writing him off without even giving him a chance:rolleyes:

[killadoob]

What do we have to lose by testing out Loots in the ODI side? You guys are writing him off without even giving him a chance:rolleyes:

Well some people think 50 over cricket and 20/20 are very different for some reason.

I do not because the first 15 overs can determine a match and can setup a good total. So having an explosive 20/20 player upfront can setup the game in your favour.

Plodding to 40 off the first 15 and then struggling to get 250 and losing anyhow :D. Let loots go bos i reckon :D. Positive cricket often leads to more wins than loses. Not us we like to plod along and then think we can smash 100 off the last 5 with albie batting :D. We have it backwards, we should get a good score upfront and not wait for the last 10 in my opinion.

[AirWolf]

Well some people think 50 over cricket and 20/20 are very different for some reason.

I do not because the first 15 overs can determine a match and can setup a good total. So having an explosive 20/20 player upfront can setup the game in your favour.

Plodding to 40 off the first 15 and then struggling to get 250 and losing anyhow :D. Let loots go bos i reckon :D. Positive cricket often leads to more wins than loses. Not us we like to plod along and then think we can smash 100 off the last 5 with albie batting :D. We have it backwards, we should get a good score upfront and not wait for the last 10 in my opinion.

Agree 100%. If you put the opposition under pressure in the first 15 overs it screws them up mentally for the entire game.

[Zyzzyva]

It's neither smashing in the first fifteen or the last ten, its smashing when the on field condition present the best opportunity. Our biggest strength, and also our biggest weakness oddly enough, is we always try and decide before the game how we going to play each period. Well that is good to a point, our players really need to learn to alter their game based on opportunity.

Its for this reason the aussies are so much better than us most of the time.

Think of it from the oppositions perspective.

Loots has become a more all round batsmen, but to be honest, he is still extremely predicable. I venture to say it wont take more than two games to develop a game plan to get him out cheaply 8 out of 10 times.

[Zyzzyva]

If the bowling is good at any period of the game, you do not want to smash. But if its bad, then smashing might be the order of the day.

We turned gibbs into a "smash all the time" player. The net result was he was dropped. The reason? Smashing is sometimes the wrong thing to do.

...and doing the wrong thing gets you out quicker, which naturally leads to ongoing bad news for the team.

[Devill]

I see there are talks that Albie might be dropped for Parnell.

This IMO puts the batsmen under pressure.

The team is then


Smith
Amla
AB
Duminy
Peterson
Boucher
McLaren
Vd Merwe
Parnell
Langeveldt
Steyn

Then the top 6 must perform else we will be in deep shlt.
We have 5 fulltime bowlers we can use.

[Smooth Criminal]

Devill it's going to be Gibbs in to replace Kallis. Amla will probably sit out.

Anyway I don't see how that team could work. There seems to be something lacking - somebody who can throw a spanner into the works. And we only bat down to 7. What was wrong with the team that beat the Aussies? Why all the sudden changes?

[Devill]

Devill it's going to be Gibbs in to replace Kallis. Amla will probably sit out.

:erm: Might I ask where you heard this?

Why would they drop Amla after he scored a 50 in good time??

As Beeld quoted Arthur as saying:
http://www.beeld.com/Content/Sport/Krieket/1913/a4d77361d628413b8d483a16b217683c/23-11-2009-11-40/Hotklou_Parnell_moet_Proteas_woema_gee

Die afrigter het ook bevestig dat Herschelle Gibbs, wat in die beseerde Jacques Kallis se plek ingesluit is, as kolwer in die middelorde oorweeg sal word.

“As almal reg is, is Graeme Smith en Jacques Kallis ons aanvangskolwers. Hashim Amla sal inkom as een van hulle beseer is. Herschelle is die reserwe vir die middelorde-kolwers JP Duminy en Alviro Petersen.”

[Smooth Criminal]

:erm: Might I ask where you heard this?



South African batsman Herschelle Gibbs has been confirmed as Jacques Kallis' replacement for the remainder of the ODI series against England.
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/story/436275.html

[Sapcat]

I think they should give Loots a chance. If he fails over a number of games, then so be it, but as Killa says SA is afraid to experiment.

I mean Sri Lanka did it in the 90's with Jaysuriya (spelling??) and they virtually changed the way a 50 over game is played. I like Gibbs, but lets be honest - of late he is just to inconsistent...

Let me put my flamesuit on before I say this // Duminy is the most boring batsmen I have seen after Kepler Wessels......pls kick him to the curb

[Smooth Criminal]

Let me put my flamesuit on before I say this // Duminy is the most boring batsmen I have seen after Kepler Wessels......pls kick him to the curb
I've been saying it too. He's living off his test performance in Aus last year. In ODIs and T20s this year he hasn't impressed me.

[Devill]

http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/story/436275.html

:erm: That is simple maths. Proteas - Kallis = one person short.

Proteas + gibbs = numbers are correct.

It is kind of like when PDivvy took an extra loose forward instead of replacing the injured bismarck with another hooker.

Also please tell me that why would they replace a batsmen that scored a 50 if the problem is clearly the bowling atm? :confused:

You are making no sense. Also in that piece it nowhere said gibbs will be the replacement in the team of 11 for kallis. It said he is in the group......

[Smooth Criminal]

Hey I dunno man, I didn't write the fscken article :D Just telling you what I read.

[Zyzzyva]

I've been saying it too. He's living off his test performance in Aus last year. In ODIs and T20s this year he hasn't impressed me.

He scored the second most runs in the champions league, and also done extremely well in the ipl. The guys got all the skills in the book. The dice just hasn't rolled his way when playing for SA.

[Devill]

Let me put my flamesuit on before I say this // Duminy is the most boring batsmen I have seen after Kepler Wessels......pls kick him to the curb


I've been saying it too. He's living off his test performance in Aus last year. In ODIs and T20s this year he hasn't impressed me.

ROFL.

I don't think you guys watch a lot of cricket.

Else you would have seen him bat in the T20 Champions League. He was smashing it to all corners of the ground and he also hit the two biggest sixes.


Bangalore: Duminy's (99* from 52) spectacular knock helps Cape Cobras to thrash Bangalore Royal Challengers by 5 wickets in the opening match of Champions League T20

Yup that does sound like a boring batsmen :rolleyes:

[Smooth Criminal]

He scored the second most runs in the champions league, and also done extremely well in the ipl. The guys got all the skills in the book. The dice just hasn't rolled his way when playing for SA.
Yeah that's exactly the problem. IPL and Champions League are domestic T20 competitions. Sure you might get a few international players, but the majority of the players are domestic. I'm not sure how he can be judged on the basis of these tournies.

[Smooth Criminal]

ROFL.

I don't think you guys watch a lot of cricket.

Else you would have seen him bat in the T20 Champions League. He was smashing it to all corners of the ground and he also hit the two biggest sixes.

Yup that does sound like a boring batsmen :rolleyes:
And how many international players did he go up against? CL is an international domestic league. You go up primarily against domestic players. At international level you go up against 11 international caliber players.

edit: obligatory :rolleyes:

[Sapcat]

So what? He only plays well when incentivised by huge payouts? Lets talk about his performance for SA. I'm not saying he dosent have talent, but if you not doing well sit on the bench. And while you there, please conjur up a personality.

As much as I hate the Aussies, the one thing they do well is bench players who are not performing. Its something we do poorly is SA, IMO.

[Devill]

And how many international players did he go up against? CL is an international domestic league. You go up primarily against domestic players. At international level you go up against 11 international caliber players.

edit: obligatory :rolleyes:

:erm: So we replace him with gibbs? The guy that scored 1 run in three goes in the same tourney?

Who would you suggest we replace duminy with?

[Devill]

So what? He only plays well when incentivised by huge payouts? Lets talk about his performance for SA. I'm not saying he dosent have talent, but if you not doing well sit on the bench. And while you there, please conjur up a personality.

As much as I hate the Aussies, the one thing they do well is bench players who are not performing. Its something we do poorly is SA, IMO.

Who would you replace him with?

Ps IMO avg of 37.67 with a strike rate of 80 + is not bad for an upcoming player.

[Smooth Criminal]

:erm: So we replace him with gibbs? The guy that scored 1 run in three goes in the same tourney?

Who would you suggest we replace duminy with?
Replace him with anyone! I keep reading guys saying that there's no space in the team for x or y player. Bench JP and there will be space. Please let us know what his performances for SA have been like since the Aus tour.

Each player needs to know that their place in the team is not automatic. They need to fight to keep it.

[Devill]

Replace him with anyone! I keep reading guys saying that there's no space in the team for x or y player. Bench JP and there will be space. Please let us know what his performances for SA have been like since the Aus tour.

Each player needs to know that their place in the team is not automatic. They need to fight to keep it.

Scored a 100 against Zim the other day. And before you say against Zim ... many others failed to do so, why not bench them?

And ps if you want him replaced you should at least be able to give one name of a player you feel deserves it more.

[Smooth Criminal]

Scored a 100 against Zim the other day. And before you say against Zim ... many others failed to do so, why not bench them?

And ps if you want him replaced you should at least be able to give one name of a player you feel deserves it more.

Fine. Bosman, Gibbs/Amla and Parnell can all play if Duminy and Morkel are benched. That gives us an extra bowler and a batsman who's a little less predictable. If we stick with Amla then we have a good Kallis replacement in terms of anchoring the innings. AB shouldn't be at 3. Either Gibbs or Amla should come in at 3.

[Devill]

Fine. Bosman, Gibbs/Amla and Parnell can all play if Duminy and Morkel are benched. That gives us an extra bowler and a batsman who's a little less predictable. If we stick with Amla then we have a good Kallis replacement in terms of anchoring the innings. AB shouldn't be at 3. Either Gibbs or Amla should come in at 3.

So you replace the steady duminy (with basically the same strike rate as gibbs) with gibbs that has a lower avg and is far less predictable.

That does make sense.:rolleyes:

As for bosman... he doesn't feature in the local "one day" format but I might be tempted to give him a go for a game or two because he does look to be in good form at the moment.

[killadoob]

Duminy performs when there is a pay day for SA i think he does not perform.

I have never seen the duminy i saw in CL when he plays for SA.

It is time we test out players and see instead of sticking to the trusted formula.

[Devill]

Duminy performs when there is a pay day for SA i think he does not perform.

I have never seen the duminy i saw in CL when he plays for SA.

It is time we test out players and see instead of sticking to the trusted formula.

Yet you want gibbs back who just did not perform, paycheck or not? :p:D

[stefan9]

I see there are talks that Albie might be dropped for Parnell.

This IMO puts the batsmen under pressure.

The team is then



Then the top 6 must perform else we will be in deep shlt.
We have 5 fulltime bowlers we can use.

I would bring parnell for mcclaren instead. Morkel is a match winner in this format. You don't drop your match winners. I do believe parnell was missed, he is a wicket taker. He gets wickets even when going for runs as he showed in the champions trophy.


I think they should give Loots a chance. If he fails over a number of games, then so be it, but as Killa says SA is afraid to experiment.

I mean Sri Lanka did it in the 90's with Jaysuriya (spelling??) and they virtually changed the way a 50 over game is played. I like Gibbs, but lets be honest - of late he is just to inconsistent...

Let me put my flamesuit on before I say this // Duminy is the most boring batsmen I have seen after Kepler Wessels......pls kick him to the curb

You can not compare jaysuriya and bosman. Jaysuriya scored consistently in sri lanka in all formats of the game, bosman only scores consistently in 20/20.

JP is not boring he just takes his time to get himself in. He has finished quite a few innings very well for SA. He has also shown in the ipl and the cl that he can hit the long ball.

[stefan9]

So what? He only plays well when incentivised by huge payouts? Lets talk about his performance for SA. I'm not saying he dosent have talent, but if you not doing well sit on the bench. And while you there, please conjur up a personality.

As much as I hate the Aussies, the one thing they do well is bench players who are not performing. Its something we do poorly is SA, IMO.

You do not drop one of your most talented players and one who will be the core of your side for years to come. the selectors didn't drop kallis or ab when they went through some diffificulties. The aussies didn't drop ponting when he had a disaster in india on his first few tours there.

You stick with class players. There's a reason Ian Chappel rates JP very very hight. The man hates SA players in general but rates JP so that should tell you something.

[killadoob]

Jayasuria scored consistently? Rubbish he was about as consistent as gibbs. They also never dropped him or thought about it

[Devill]

Jayasuria scored consistently? Rubbish he was about as consistent as gibbs.

That is a lie.

Why at 40 years of age do you think he is still fielded?

[killadoob]

That is a lie.

Why at 40 years of age do you think he is still fielded?

So jayasuria came off every innings and never had bad runs of poor form?

Jayasuria and bosman/gibbs are the same. Go big or go home.

[Devill]

So jayasuria came off every innings and never had bad runs of poor form?

:erm: Never said that.

SJ had one goal and that was to smash the ball the first 15 overs. That is how Sri Lanka won the WC.

Gibbs does not have those instructions. He also is not in good form atm. He does look to be regaining it a bit with 163 runs in his last 4 innings for the cape cobras however. I would still pick Duminy ahead of gibbs everyday of the week at the moment.

[Smooth Criminal]

That is a lie.

Why at 40 years of age do you think he is still fielded?
441 ODIs. You don't get that kind of experience just anywhere. His average of 32 is even less than Gibbs at 36.

Gibbs has 21 100s and 37 50s out of 245 matches. That means he passes 50 in almost 1 out of every 4 matches. Doesn't seem all that inconsistent to me.

[Devill]

441 ODIs. You don't get that kind of experience just anywhere. His average of 32 is even less than Gibbs at 36.

Gibbs has 21 100s and 37 50s out of 245 matches. That means he passes 50 in almost 1 out of every 4 matches. Doesn't seem all that inconsistent to me.

Also like I said SJ is 40 now. He also had different instructions as well as the thing about now days cricket being a batsman's game ;)

That was earlier in his career that he was so impressive and thats why gibbs is still given a go.

In the last year he has had a poor run. Were you guys not advocating poor performance = benching? :confused:

Ps I am a huge gibbs fan but lets face it in the last year he has done diddly to write home about.

Ps read a bit ;)


Jayasuriya holds the world's third highest ODI score, jointly with Viv Richards, which is 189 runs against India. As of February 2007 he holds the four highest individual scores by a Sri Lankan, and seven of the top nine.[8]

He currently holds the record fastest fifty in ODIs, scored off just 17 balls. Jayasuriya was the previous record-holder for the fastest century (off 48 balls), before losing that claim to Shahid Afridi of Pakistan. Currently he has held the world record for most ODI sixes. He has become the fourth batsman to score more than 10,000 runs and the second batsman to score more than 12,000, and 13,000 runs in the history of ODIs. He also is the second highest century getter in ODIs with 28 centuries. He used to hold the record of scoring most runs in an ODI over (30; he has achieved this remarkable feat twice).This record is now with South Africa's Herschelle Gibbs (36 runs in an over).

During the one-day Natwest series in May 2006 in England, he scored two centuries, including scoring 152 off 99 balls in the final match. In that innings, he and Upul Tharanga (109) put on 286 runs for the first wicket, a new record[9]. Jayasuriya's batting display earned him the Man of the Series award as Sri Lanka won the series 5-0.

Following the Natwest Trophy, Sri Lanka travelled to Holland for a two-match one-day series. In the first game, Jayasuriya scored 157 off 104 balls as Sri Lanka posted 443/9,[10] beating the 438/9 South Africa scored against Australia in March 2006. Sri Lanka won the match by 195 runs. On a personal note the innings was his 4th score of over 150 in ODI cricket and he is currently the only player to do so. It was also his second successive score of 150 plus, another first in ODI cricket.

He also scored 2 centuries and 2 half-centuries in the 2007 Cricket World Cup held in the West Indies.

In 2008, his one-day career was all but over when he was omitted for the ODIs in the West Indies . However, a stirring performance in the IPL - finishing the third-highest run-getter with 514 runs - prompted his country's sports minister to intervene in his selection for the Asia Cup. He ultimately shaped Sri Lanka's title victory with a blistering hundred under pressure.[11]

[Devill]

O and then look here...


In the past two series against England and the West Indies he was brought down the order from opening batsman to the middle order due to lack of form. After the move he regained form and looked more comfortable batting against the older ball. On April 22, 2006, Gibbs paid the price for his recent run-drought, and was dropped for the second and third Tests against the New Zealand cricket team. He has been short of confidence in Test cricket of late, and scored only 6 and 2 in the First Test at Centurion Park. South Africa's chief selector, Haroon Lorgat said, "We had a meeting and agreed that a break and a fresh start next season will do him a world of good." This decision was widely viewed as a harsh one.

He came back into the side in the middle order but continued to struggle for runs. On the conclusion of the 1st Test against Pakistan in January 2007 he had gone over 2 years without a century. He had come close on many occasions to ending the drought, getting out in the nineties four times.

In April 2009, his sixteen one-day international innings since the March 2008 one-day series in Bangladesh having yielded just three fifties, even Stuart Hess, his most ardent media supporter, was moved to cast doubt over his future. Hess had famously recommended Gibbs as captaincy successor to Shaun Pollock in 2003, but now, noting that his "average, as an opener, in that same period is 25.25, more than 10 runs below his overall average of 35.87", Hess felt "a sense that Gibbs is living off past deeds and not playing with the requisite form needed to hold on to a national spot."[11] He noted, however, that Gibbs was the only South African with more than 1,000 World Cup runs and that, of the twelve others, only Sachin Tendulkar with 57.93 and Sir Viv Richards with 63.31 had better averages:

Like I said I am a fan as well but you can not drop a consistant player for one who is in poor form.

[stefan9]

Jayasuria scored consistently? Rubbish he was about as consistent as gibbs. They also never dropped him or thought about it

Jaysuriya was very very consistent in sri lankan domestic level. The comparison was between bosman, who you all want to pick based on two 20/20 innings. Bosman is no where near as consistent as sanath was in his domestic 40/50 over cricket. Bosman has never scored a domestic 40/50 over hundred in 140 games. Really should tell you all there is about the guy.

Comparing gibbs and sanath with bosman isn't going to work. The two are wc players in all 3 formats who now with age have lost some of their edge. Bosman on the other hand is a good 20/20 player but a hack at any other format.

[Smooth Criminal]

Also like I said SJ is 40 now. He also had different instructions as well as the thing about now days cricket being a batsman's game ;)

That was earlier in his career that he was so impressive and thats why gibbs is still given a go.

In the last year he has had a poor run. Were you guys not advocating poor performance = benching? :confused:

Ps I am a huge gibbs fan but lets face it in the last year he has done diddly to write home about.

Ps read a bit ;)
Yes poor performance should be benched. But he's worked his way back now. And besides, he's only got a year or two left and we may never see him again. And let's not forget the added strength he brings to the fielding. JP may be a good fielder, but not on the same level as AB and Gibbs.

Wow Jayasuriya scored 157 of 105 when SL made 443 against Kenya. Gibbs made 175 off 111 when SA made 438 against the Aussies. While chasing. How would good old Sanath perform while chasing big scores?

Question still stands - what has JP done since playing the Aussies. The only reason that Chappel likes him is because he did well against the Aussies.

[Devill]

Yes poor performance should be benched. But he's worked his way back now. And besides, he's only got a year or two left and we may never see him again. And let's not forget the added strength he brings to the fielding. JP may be a good fielder, but not on the same level as AB and Gibbs.

Wow Jayasuriya scored 157 of 105 when SL made 443 against Kenya. Gibbs made 175 off 111 when SA made 438 against the Aussies. While chasing. How would good old Sanath perform while chasing big scores?

Mmmm gibbs was dropped twice in that innings. Yes he did capatalise but barring that one innings please show me where he has had close to the glory filled career SJ has had.....

Should I quote it again?

[AirWolf]

I see there are talks that Albie might be dropped for Parnell.

This IMO puts the batsmen under pressure.

The team is then



Then the top 6 must perform else we will be in deep shlt.
We have 5 fulltime bowlers we can use.

:erm:9*, 14 an 6 against the English - Albie really relieved the pressure so far.

[Smooth Criminal]

You're not getting the point Devill. Gibbs is a match winner. From what I've seen of JP playing ODIs and T20s for SA, he isn't. Have you forgotten how he plodded along in the T20 world cup, getting us knocked out because he couldn't keep up with the run rate? It's all good when you're bashing domestic players around in the IPL and CL, but it means nothing when you don't do it for your country. I'll gladly change my tune if he proves me wrong.

[Devill]

:erm:9*, 14 an 6 against the English - Albie really relieved the pressure so far.

Thats why I raised no objection to the move ;)

I merely said without the extra bat our tp six will have to make a better show of it.


You're not getting the point Devill. Gibbs is a match winner. From what I've seen of JP playing ODIs and T20s for SA, he isn't. Have you forgotten how he plodded along in the T20 world cup, getting us knocked out because he couldn't keep up with the run rate? It's all good when you're bashing domestic players around in the IPL and CL, but it means nothing when you don't do it for your country. I'll gladly change my tune if he proves me wrong.

ROFL another guy that thinks its always the batsman that fails not the bowlers that are bowling well....

So when did gibbs win that T20 WC for us.. or was it in the ODI format...

No wait he could not even score against the "ipl" and "CL" bowlers......

I think you might be missing the point.

[Smooth Criminal]

Odd how you conveniently side-stepped my point about him adding strength to the fielding and the experience that people like him bring to a side.

Anyway it's been nice but this is getting tedious now :)

[Devill]

Odd how you conveniently side-stepped my point about him adding strength to the fielding and the experience that people like him bring to a side.

Anyway it's been nice but this is getting tedious now :)

Erm ok so the 6 runs gibbs saves more than duminy is added to his score and then in his current form he is still not any better than duminy....

As for the experience part I have never known gibbs to walk up to smith like boucher and kallis do....

I think you just don't like duminy which is not a problem but wanting to make it look like gibbs is a logical choice to replace duminy now is silly as duminy is in better form. It is as simple as that.

[Sapcat]

OK as mentioned I think JP is talented (Personally I think he is a great test player). But when you not performing, how long do you keep a guy on based on his talent - and to what detriment to the team. What motivation is there for him to work harder?

As for Loots, he is NOW in good form - Why not give him a run? - and pls dont tell me he is only a 20/20 player. Send him out with a free licence, see what the fsck happens? Rather go down fighting than that dismal performance in the last ODI, or worse yet 'The inexplicable curse of not being able to read the scoresheet when it rains'.

[killadoob]

Mmmm gibbs was dropped twice in that innings. Yes he did capatalise but barring that one innings please show me where he has had close to the glory filled career SJ has had.....

Should I quote it again?

Who cares if he was dropped 5 times, the stats reflect what he scored so i am not sure i get your comment. Gibbs has played far less odi's but his record if you compare them equally is actually better so again WHAT?

[stefan9]

OK as mentioned I think JP is talented (Personally I think he is a great test player). But when you not performing, how long do you keep a guy on based on his talent - and to what detriment to the team. What motivation is there for him to work harder?

As for Loots, he is NOW in good form - Why not give him a run? - and pls dont tell me he is only a 20/20 player. Send him out with a free licence, see what the fsck happens? Rather go down fighting than that dismal performance in the last ODI, or worse yet 'The inexplicable curse of not being able to read the scoresheet when it rains'.

a Guy has to deserve his spot. There are players who have performed in the domestic one day competition and deserve a go in the 50 over side before bosman.

He is not in form in odi cricket, t20 yes. I really believe some people around do not follow the domestic cricket scene at all. Puttick, M. van Wyk, Imran Khan and J. Rudolph have all had better seasons so far. If you want to look at guys who are not in the current odi side they should be considered first well ahead of bosman.

Duminy got a hundred just 3 odi's ago vs zim. So the accusations that he isn't performing is just false. By this approach we should be dropping ab and smith as well.

Morne Morkel has been added to the squad. Good to see him back in the fold.


Morne Morkel added to Proteas squad
24 November 2009 (13:40)
Morne Morkel © Gallo Images
South Africa have called up fast bowler Morne Morkel for the rest of the MTN one-day series with England, Cricket South Africa (CSA) said on Tuesday.


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The 25-year-old, who has captured 31 wickets in 21 one-dayers, will join the squad on Wednesday ahead of the third game in the five-match series in Cape Town on Friday.

"He (Morkel) has shown good form in domestic cricket this season and was also impressive in the 50 overs match for South Africa A against England a week ago," Mike Procter, South Africa's convener of selectors, said in a statement.

"He will definitely form part of our plans for the test series as well so the sooner we have him involved with the team the better," he added.

Morkel last played an ODI for his country when he turned out against Australia in Johannesburg in April this year.

England lead the series 1-0 after the first match was abandoned because of rain.

[killadoob]

If you want to look at guys who are not in the current odi side they should be considered first well ahead of bosman.

Sorry but can any of them smash the ball like he did? You think sri lanka did so well because they had 2 solid batsmen upfront? They did so well because they saw the first 15 overs are important and a great chance to get a good rate going.

I think gibbs problem has always been we do not say to him go and smack the ball and if you get out so what you will stay in the team.

Someone mentioned we limit him and i agree because we always play it safe and playing it safe does not make you the best team in the world.

[silent_shadow]

Has Morne been performing well lately? Otherwise I don't really see the point in including him. He used to be a favourite of mine and I thought he was going to be a great bowler for us in the future, but he really didn't step up and was terrible at times against England and Australia. Choosing him now just smacks of favouritism from the captain and coach. Where's Tsotsobe? And why not select someone like CJ de Villiers?

[Devill]

OK as mentioned I think JP is talented (Personally I think he is a great test player). But when you not performing, how long do you keep a guy on based on his talent - and to what detriment to the team. What motivation is there for him to work harder?


:erm: do centuries not count anymore?


Who cares if he was dropped 5 times, the stats reflect what he scored so i am not sure i get your comment. Gibbs has played far less odi's but his record if you compare them equally is actually better so again WHAT?

The stats also show that jason gillespie has scored a double century. You think he is a better batsman than Kallis who has never scored a double century?

Gibbs only stepped up that once. Where else has he played a match winning knock? SJ has done it many a time.

And are you denying gibbs is not on form at the moment?

I would rather give bosman a run and move Amla to nr 3


Has Morne been performing well lately? Otherwise I don't really see the point in including him. He used to be a favourite of mine and I thought he was going to be a great bowler for us in the future, but he really didn't step up and was terrible at times against England and Australia. Choosing him now just smacks of favouritism from the captain and coach. Where's Tsotsobe? And why not select someone like CJ de Villiers?

Yes has has been bowling well again, but I agree de Villiers has really impressed me of late. I would have picked him personally. Also before Morkel I would have given Tsostobe a run. He also impressed me.

[stefan9]

Has Morne been performing well lately? Otherwise I don't really see the point in including him. He used to be a favourite of mine and I thought he was going to be a great bowler for us in the future, but he really didn't step up and was terrible at times against England and Australia. Choosing him now just smacks of favouritism from the captain and coach. Where's Tsotsobe? And why not select someone like CJ de Villiers?

Tsotsobe is in the squad already. Only Johan Louw has the same amount of wickets in the super sport series as Morne and he is third in bowling averages in the mtn 40 competition. His economy rate is high but he is taking wickets. As the guys said they want him for the test series so its important to get him involved in the squad.

De Villiers is a good prospect but on current form Morne is quite a bit better. He is going for 7 an over and not really picking up wickets in the mtn 40.

[JK8]

Ive never seen Morkel play well. Maybe I missed those games, anyone care to remind me of his man of the match performances?
Yes we "lost" Klusener, we might never find another one, Morkel is not a Klusener. I think Morkel brothers should be dropped from the Proteas side... till they wake up! Its good to be an all rounder but one of your strengths need to come through, an average bowler and average batsmen wont cut it, and thats what the Morkel brothers are... average.

[stefan9]

Ive never seen Morkel play well. Maybe I missed those games, anyone care to remind me of his man of the match performances?
Yes we "lost" Klusener, we might never find another one, Morkel is not a Klusener. I think Morkel brothers should be dropped from the Proteas side... till they wake up! Its good to be an all rounder but one of your strengths need to come through, an average bowler and average batsmen wont cut it, and thats what the Morkel brothers are... average.

I guess you were sleeping during the odi series in australia were albie was man of the series. Or the test series vs england in england were morne was key after dale steyn had to go home early because of a hand injury.

[killadoob]

Stefan just because he has done well in the past does not mean he should stay in the team.

Damn they dropped gibbs for poor form yet persist with morkel. I think we need to drop him because he cannot run between wickets is badly out of form.

Drop people out of form like they did with gibbs.

[CHURCHILL]

Stefan just because he has done well in the past does not mean he should stay in the team.

Damn they dropped gibbs for poor form yet persist with morkel. I think we need to drop him because he cannot run between wickets is badly out of form.

Drop people out of form like they did with gibbs.

From a England supporters point of view, Gibbs will make me nervous, he might be out of form atm, but he is like the French rugby team, unpredictable.

If he does not go for a duck, or ten runs, he will go one to make a century, and if he does play, i think he has a point to prove and will come out with all guns blazing. Lets not forget that his fielding is also top notch.

[killadoob]

Yup amla over gibbs is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard in all honesty.

Funny how one drubbing by england and the selectors go running to gibbs. Bunch of idiots.

[AirWolf]

My team:

Loots
Gibbs
Smith
Amla
AB
Duminy
Boucher
R vd Merwe
Botha
Steyn
Langeveld/Parnell

NB: Duminy to be full 5th bowler.

[killadoob]

Nice line up, love the opening pair :D

Now that looks like a one day side and not a test team :D.

[Devill]

My team:

Loots
Gibbs
Smith
Amla
AB
Duminy
Boucher
R vd Merwe
Botha
Steyn
Langeveld/Parnell

NB: Duminy to be full 5th bowler.

So we have 3 spinners, one of which is a part timer, and two pace bowlers? :confused:

Then we have two big hitters which on their day would set up a nice 100 within the first 15 overs. If they both keep true to form in ODI of late we are 10/2 after 3 overs.....

But I will support this team just to see if we can make it work.


Yup amla over gibbs is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard in all honesty.

Funny how one drubbing by england and the selectors go running to gibbs. Bunch of idiots.

Yes chuck Amla who scored a 50 towards the curb for gibbs who is not on song.... Viva!

O wait was the point not to drop the guys who were not performing? :rolleyes:

[AirWolf]

So we have 3 spinners, one of which is a part timer, and two pace bowlers? :confused:

Then we have two big hitters which on their day would set up a nice 100 within the first 15 overs. If they both keep true to form in ODI of late we are 10/2 after 3 overs.....

But I will support this team just to see if we can make it work.



Yes chuck Amla who scored a 50 towards the curb for gibbs who is not on song.... Viva!

O wait was the point not to drop the guys who were not performing? :rolleyes:

No need to fight over Amla vs Gibbs - I got them both in my team:D.

Well, with two bit hitters up front, all you need is just for one of them to come off on the day. With the bowling, sure variety is limited, but with 3 spinners you would make it difficult for the opposition to score runs, forcing them to make more mistakes and hopefully resulting in a better wicket taking ability of the team as a whole.

[Devill]

No need to fight over Amla vs Gibbs - I got them both in my team:D.

Well, with two bit hitters up front, all you need is just for one of them to come off on the day. With the bowling, sure variety is limited, but with 3 spinners you would make it difficult for the opposition to score runs, forcing them to make more mistakes and hopefully resulting in a better wicket taking ability of the team as a whole.

Yeah as I said it is an interesting idea. But the problem is ask some of the english spin bowlers how "restricting" they were against us in previous games :p

The problem would be what if Duminey goes for 8 an over in his first 5, who do you turn to then?

Or what if steyn goes for 6 and parnell / langes for 7, then duminy for 8 in his first 5? What then?

But I do like the idea and I would drop Albie atm. But also SA cricket has fscked him up. He should bat at 5.

Another funny thing I saw is you left out Peterson who score a 50 in the last game.... at a run a ball.

[Smooth Criminal]

My team:

Loots
Gibbs
Smith
Amla
AB
Duminy
Boucher
R vd Merwe
Botha
Steyn
Langeveld/Parnell

NB: Duminy to be full 5th bowler.
Good top order, but only 2 pace bowlers is not really a good idea. Drop one of the spinners and let Morne Morkel have a go. Then substitute Peterson in for Duminy.

[killadoob]

Really smooth, our pace bowlers have been doing nothing man.

We may as well drop them and put in part timers :D. Honestly our pace attack is boring and predictable.

Hey devil how has our top order been doing of late man? not very well so what we are 10 for 2, we generally lose 3 wicket before the 20th over anyhow.

We need to do things different man, we are boring and predictable and it is hurting us badly. Our batting line up is out of form, our bowling attack is a joke so at the moment we are pretty poor.

Shake it up i say. Bring in some new players and drop the player out of form, let them know that they are not safe. Pay duminy more so he will perform :D.

[Devill]

Hey devil how has our top order been doing of late man? not very well so what we are 10 for 2, we generally lose 3 wicket before the 20th over anyhow.


Yes and then you, smooth and airwolf want to drop duminy and / or peterson / amla, who have been performing, and replace them with guys that of late have had bad ODI records?

I don't get it. :confused:

[stefan9]

Stefan just because he has done well in the past does not mean he should stay in the team.

Damn they dropped gibbs for poor form yet persist with morkel. I think we need to drop him because he cannot run between wickets is badly out of form.

Drop people out of form like they did with gibbs.

If a guys stays out of form yes but you do not drop your match winners unless they are out of form for a long period. Albie has had a slow start to the international season but he still a class act in this format.

Gibbs had been out of form and inconsistent for two seasons. They stuck with him for long time and mickey and smith actually wanted to stick with him.

[Smooth Criminal]

Yes and then you, smooth and airwolf want to drop duminy and / or peterson / amla, who have been performing, and replace them with guys that of late have had bad ODI records?

I don't get it. :confused:
Where did I say that Peterson shouldn't play? :confused:

And Airwolf actually said that all 3 should play. I think you've lost the plot in tracking who said what :)

[Devill]

Where did I say that Peterson shouldn't play? :confused:

And Airwolf actually said that all 3 should play. I think you've lost the plot in tracking who said what :)

ROFL :D

You even quoted him... http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=3375874&postcount=227

Please show me where he said peterson should play....

Also were you not asking for amla to be dropped? And didnt you say duminy should also be dropped?

Go read again... My style of writing indicates that there are combinations.

Eg Airwolf wants to drop peterson
You want to drop amla
Killa wants to drop everyone barring gibbs and loots.

Now go read it slowly.


Yes and then you, smooth and airwolf want to drop duminy and / or peterson / amla, who have been performing, and replace them with guys that of late have had bad ODI records?

[killadoob]

No i want to drop the players who are not performing because sometimes players need to be dropped to regain their form and we have an abundance of talent that we are not using. Steyn for me is bowling so poorly i cannot understand how he has kept his place. Even in the pro 20's steyn never played due to poor form. He is also looking a bit arrogant to me as well with little smirks and smiles when he gets nailed, he should be angry he bowled so poorly.

We are sticking to the tried and tested and honestly it is not working. We need to have a team that wants to play.

What form has duminy been in for SA? Apart from the aussie tour WTF has duminy actually for SA? Yes awesome 20/20 player when he is getting paid the big bucks but for SA i dont' think he has done anything apart from the aussie tour.

As i said shake things up or we will go 2-0 down on friday.

[Smooth Criminal]

Hehe fair enough, I made a boo boo :)

Still, we all think that at least one of them should play.

[Devill]

No i want to drop the players who are not performing because sometimes players need to be dropped to regain their form and we have an abundance of talent that we are not using.

Duminy has scored runs in both the ODIs against ZIM and in the ICC CT.
AB also scored in the ICC CT.
Gibbs did not. Poor form for almost two seasons now.
Smith scored in the pro 20 and IIRC one great knock in the ICC CT.
Bosman scored in the pro 20, but has never even scored a 100 in domestic ODs...
Peterson has scored a 50 the last ODI
Amla scored a 50 the last ODI.

Mmmm seems like Gibbs' selection into the final 11 does really not have a leg to stand on.

Imo, Albie must be dropped. If McL does not shape so must he as he is in the team for bowling and not batting.

My team.



Smith
Amla (I would have given Bosman a run but seeing as Amla scored a 50 in good time the last ODI you can not drop him now)
AB
Duminy
Peterson
Boucher
Steyn
Roelf
M Morkel
McLaren
Langeveld


Then the batting must perform. And then we have 5 full time bowlers with the option of duminy as 2nd spinner.

[Morgoth]

imho bosman should take up the Gibs position, he seems to be a team killer with the same schizophrenic trend that Gibs had had.

[killadoob]

No morgoth amla is better because he scored 50 runs :D in a game at a good rate.

I am a huge bosman fan :D and gibbs, i love okes who play without fear. Not this boring amla opening.

[BrItIsH LiOn]

We all know England will win. They took the momentum and there's no stopping them

[JK8]

We all know England will win. They took the momentum and there's no stopping them

Will be funny if they win on Friday!
Swann and Broad are back, im sure Broad still has nightmares about playing in SA after Yuvraj hit him for 6 6's!!

[killadoob]

Maybe he would if he was playing india in a pro 20.

[JK8]

Maybe he would if he was playing india in a pro 20.

Maybe Gibbs/Loots should remind about that!:p

[Devill]

No morgoth amla is better because he scored 50 runs :D in a game at a good rate.

I am a huge bosman fan :D and gibbs, i love okes who play without fear. Not this boring amla opening.

Ducks and single digit scores are so riveting.

[alf101]

Don't think Amla will be allowed to play in tmrw's game.

[Devill]

Don't think Amla will be allowed to play in tmrw's game.

Hoekom?

[alf101]

Hoekom?

Eid

[Devill]

Eid

Ah.

Then gibbs will replace him I am sure.

[killadoob]

Ah.

Then gibbs will replace him I am sure.

Yay

[stefan9]

We all know England will win. They took the momentum and there's no stopping them

I see the normal brittish attitude win one game and they are world champs.;)

I hope smithy has some good luck charms, he needs to win the toss. Win the toss and win the game at newlands in a day/night game, really as simple as that.

[killadoob]

One game?

They have beaten us 6 times in a row, i think they should act like they are world champions :D. Giving us a hiding man. They have every right to be arrogant.

6-0 is shocking.

[McT]

I dread what might happen tomorrow.