Uncapped ADSL at R 399 per month; capped at R 23 per GB

[Patty]

1
One
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Oh so I can run 1 at home and 1 at work all from the same account! :p

Edit: Just in case this post starts a riot from confusion... im talking nonsense!

[license]

Ok so what is happening with those Speed Tests. :mad: That is the only thing stopping me from signing up.

Speed tests don't work well behind double NAT I guess ;-)

[Kaufies]

Right now, I'd settle for a speed test from the representative :p

But seriously, anyone willing to post a speed test?

[gregmcc]

R212.80 - R399 = -R186.2

They end up paying you to surf :D

[oceanmasterza]

I have worked for a WISP and I believe the reason that you don't get to own the wireless equipment might have something to do with the fact they might have to run the value added service (internet) over their own network (by law). Not sure how iburst and the cell companies get by that (different licence?) but I believe it was a prerequisite for the licence we had.

As a result the wireless equipment cannot be owned by you. So rather then allowing you to pay for it and they have to "lease it to you" but they can't afford to buy the wireless hardware, so they offer you the upfront payment option, and then score when / if you leave.

I think the ideal solution here would be for there to be some kind of deal whereby if you have paid for the equipment then it belongs to them while you are with them. When you leave it remains yours.

However, if they are subsidising the cost of the equipment (not likely at that price!) then they still want to get it back to make a little more from it.

That's how I see it.

[Blaze786]

They end up paying you to surf :D

:p Mah bad...

[aekritzinger]

Hi all, newbie here.

I have just tried to register and noticed the following,

http://196.25.27.121/adsl_ppp.asp - non secure page used for ADSL sign up.

It requires all personal info, ID number, phones addresses etc and 2nd page asks for full banking details to setup direct debit and it is not SECURED.

I have sent an Email to Screamer 15min ago but as yet no answer. Please be aware of this as this to my understanding is a HUGE security risks!!!!

-----------------
Update

I finally managed to get through to someone, they said they are aware of the problem and their technical department is working to solve it by. They said they will contact me when it is done. They also stated there is no paper application forms for ADSL, so have to wait!

Where are those speed tests peeps

[Blaze786]

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=3345178#post3345178

Look here for pings and trace routes...

[Nortic]

rofl. So it begins. Maintenance at 15h30, and RFC-1918 addresses on IPC.

"You get what you pay for" is what I'm looking for I guess..

Lol

Add in uncontentious unshaped and you have another mampara of the year candidate.

[j@w]

Hi all, newbie here.

I have just tried to register and noticed the following,

http://196.25.27.121/adsl_ppp.asp - non secure page used for ADSL sign up.

It requires all personal info, ID number, phones addresses etc and 2nd page asks for full banking details to setup direct debit and it is not SECURED.

I have sent an Email to Screamer 15min ago but as yet no answer. Please be aware of this as this to my understanding is a HUGE security risks!!!!

-----------------
Update

I finally managed to get through to someone, they said they are aware of the problem and their technical department is working to solve it by. They said they will contact me when it is done. They also stated there is no paper application forms for ADSL, so have to wait!

Where are those speed tests peeps

How is this a HUGE security risk? get some security programs on your PC then, or route your internet through TOR.

Nothing biggy.

[Valerion]

How is this a HUGE security risk? get some security programs on your PC then, or route your internet through TOR.

Nothing biggy.

Because you are sending data in plain text, perhaps? So if someone where to sniff the link, they would be able to grab the information for themselves. Security programs on your PC won't help, because your PC is never compromised. And routing your net link through TOR won't help either, you are still submitting the personal information.

[Nortic]

Or it sucks so bad they cant access mybb :D


*At this point I can't access any Hetzner based hosting, thus posting this from my Web Africa account*
... I can ping mybb (and several of my servers I host with hetzner) but unfortunately can't connect to them, all timed out.


guess i was right :erm:

[j@w]

Because you are sending data in plain text, perhaps? So if someone where to sniff the link, they would be able to grab the information for themselves. Security programs on your PC won't help, because your PC is never compromised. And routing your net link through TOR won't help either, you are still submitting the personal information.

And who is going to sniff it ? Really think someone is gonna sit and sniff a range of dynamic ip's ? between the client & server

[license]

guess i was right :erm:

Don't you hate it when you're right.

Did they fix that maintenance glitch?

[howzit]

Howzit, you missed this????

The cost to upgrade a standard 512kbps WiMAX connection to a 1mB line is R49.00 a month.


Oh so I can run 1 at home and 1 at work all from the same account! :p

Edit: Just in case this post starts a riot from confusion... im talking nonsense!

You can run 1 from home and 1 from work, just not at the same time.


Speed tests don't work well behind double NAT I guess ;-)

Just for those who think you are serious we don't NAT our network.

[dept of]

And who is going to sniff it ? Really think someone is gonna sit and sniff a range of dynamic ip's ? between the client & server

If that's your outlook on life then why do you lock your car door? Do you really think there's someone going around trying every car door down the street?

[Nortic]

Just for those who think you are serious we don't NAT our network.

That might explain why the users cant access anything from the private addresses.

[Jinx10]

strange no speedtests have been posted? Please I really want this to be as good as it sounds!!

[Nortic]

Just for those who think you are serious we don't NAT our network.

The poor south african consumers, they either get shafted by high prices or scams

[Patty]

Something is not looking good. See here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=202744&page=2


*At this point I can't access any Hetzner based hosting, thus posting this from my Web Africa account*

10.216.148.1 Is definitely not my IP address, it's an assigned Gateway IP on my ADSL router.

My assigned IP from them is 10.216.148.3 which I assume will be trouble if connecting to other services requiring an outside IP. I fear this may be like their Wireless product where you don't get an IP address :(

This morning was DNS server error, they corrected that, I can ping mybb (and several of my servers I host with hetzner) but unfortunately can't connect to them, all timed out.

I will answer your questions ASAP, for now I'm not very impressed with this at all, especially if it means the same as iBurst/Sentech (and their current wireless users) in terms of IP addresses. Gimme my 41.x.x.x!

[license]

That might explain why the users cant access anything from the private addresses.

BWAHAHAHA

Howzit... your PPPoE sessions are pushing a 10. IP range. Whats up with that? Come on dude, think before you post.

Is this only on the ADSL Uncapped solutions? Has anyone tried one of their capped solutions?

[LabAnimal]

And who is going to sniff it ? Really think someone is gonna sit and sniff a range of dynamic ip's ? between the client & server

I take it you also like sex without condoms! Savvy must not be your strong point! But hey, if you like it risky, be my guest! ;)

[aekritzinger]

And who is going to sniff it ? Really think someone is gonna sit and sniff a range of dynamic ip's ? between the client & server

Although yes that is not very likely it is EXTREMELY slack of a company allowing the possibility of this happening. If you are a public company you should ensure that all basic security is implemented properly. How difficult is it to purchase a Godaddy cert and apply . . .

[cableguy]

Screamer is not getting off to a very good start! I wanted to buy an account to try, 24 hours havent even passed yet and the complaints have already started.

I vote Myadsl write a follow-up article after testing the accounts for themselves. If this is the way the network is going to be run, many many poor Myadsl users are going to be caught.

[Beetman]

Screamer is not getting off to a very good start! I wanted to buy an account to try, 24 hours havent even passed yet and the complaints have already started.

I vote Myadsl write a follow-up article after testing the accounts for themselves. If this is the way the network is going to be run, many many poor Myadsl users are going to be caught.

mmmm, the scales have now tipped back in the favour of the chillis....

[Super78]

Screamer is not getting off to a very good start! I wanted to buy an account to try, 24 hours havent even passed yet and the complaints have already started.

I vote Myadsl write a follow-up article after testing the accounts for themselves. If this is the way the network is going to be run, many many poor Myadsl users are going to be caught.


+1

[cda]

Just for those who think you are serious we don't NAT our network.

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with N

coffee ~ # tracepath mybroadband.co.za
1: 10.0.64.157 (10.0.64.157) 0.383ms pmtu 1480
1: 10.0.64.253 (10.0.64.253) 54.932ms
1: 10.0.64.253 (10.0.64.253) 54.659ms
2: 172.11.11.1 (172.11.11.1) 59.261ms
3: 10.254.253.254 (10.254.253.254) 64.527ms
4: 172.17.0.1 (172.17.0.1) 59.600ms
5: 172.17.0.3 (172.17.0.3) 64.675ms asymm 4
6: 196.15.204.81 (196.15.204.81) 64.493ms asymm 5
7: tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.54.13) 224.509ms asymm 6
8: rrba-ip-lir-1-gig-0-0-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.8.198) 183.931ms asymm 9
9: 196.43.25.138 (196.43.25.138) 154.403ms
10: ge0-2.br1.jnb6.za.mtnbusiness.net (196.30.16.181) 214.555ms asymm 9
11: ge11-0-0.gw2.jnb6.za.mtnbusiness.net (196.30.1.22) 229.393ms asymm 10
12: vlan9.hr3.jnb6.za.mtnbusiness.net (196.30.156.136) 209.310ms asymm 11
13: 196.30.213.108 (196.30.213.108) 198.613ms
14: firewall1.jnb2.host-h.net (196.7.216.173) 164.938ms asymm 13
15: mybroadband.co.za (41.203.21.136) 204.555ms reached
Resume: pmtu 1480 hops 15 back 51

[cableguy]

Red, hot and tasty :)


mmmm, the scales have now tipped back in the favour of the chillis....

[cableguy]

204.555ms WHAT THE (*&*^#(&%!!!

To mybroadband! that is a joke!

[Patty]

Sorry if this is a noob question but what does NAT mean?

[license]

Screamer is not getting off to a very good start! I wanted to buy an account to try, 24 hours havent even passed yet and the complaints have already started.

I vote Myadsl write a follow-up article after testing the accounts for themselves. If this is the way the network is going to be run, many many poor Myadsl users are going to be caught.

And thats why we love this community. We separate the men from the morons ;-)

[Beetman]

Sorry if this is a noob question but what does NAT mean?

with you on that question, seems like them NAT'ing is a big problem just not sure why. :P

[cableguy]

Network Address Translation

Copy and Paste from Google:

NAT (Network Address Translation) is the translation of an Internet Protocol address (IP address) used within one network to a different IP address known within another network. One network is designated the inside network and the other is the outside. Typically, a company maps its local inside network addresses to one or more global outside IP addresses and unmaps the global IP addresses on incoming packets back into local IP addresses. This helps ensure security since each outgoing or incoming request must go through a translation process that also offers the opportunity to qualify or authenticate the request or match it to a previous request. NAT also conserves on the number of global IP addresses that a company needs and it lets the company use a single IP address in its communication with the world.


Sorry if this is a noob question but what does NAT mean?

[dept of]

Who cares about mybroadband.co.za? Give us traceroutes to some international sites please.

[j@w]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation

[Richard7]

@Richard7 the answer is no...


Richard7 -> No.



Thanks guys

[Beetman]

Network Address Translation

Copy and Paste from Google:

NAT (Network Address Translation) is the translation of an Internet Protocol address (IP address) used within one network to a different IP address known within another network. One network is designated the inside network and the other is the outside. Typically, a company maps its local inside network addresses to one or more global outside IP addresses and unmaps the global IP addresses on incoming packets back into local IP addresses. This helps ensure security since each outgoing or incoming request must go through a translation process that also offers the opportunity to qualify or authenticate the request or match it to a previous request. NAT also conserves on the number of global IP addresses that a company needs and it lets the company use a single IP address in its communication with the world.

okay kinda like me having my own internal IP's assigend to my PC's behind my ADSL router at home?

[cda]

204.555ms WHAT THE (*&*^#(&%!!!

To mybroadband! that is a joke!

Note that's on WiMAX - just taking a dig at the "There's no NAT on our network!" joke.

[LabAnimal]

Who cares about mybroadband.co.za? Give us traceroutes to some international sites please.

That's a clever thing to say! :rolleyes:



Other than that, I think people are crying wolf far too quickly!... Screamer's Uncapped 384k has hardly had a decent run and we have people critisizing and so much negativity!... *g* Give it a bit of time, and lets see where this leads, and then if its really as bad as you few are making it out to be, then by all means...!

[Eveza]

I think it is a massive challenge to have everything run smoothly on the launch day. I will give them a few days to sort out glitches that are typical of a first day roll out in any business environment. I will then re-evaluate their service. Web Africa also had problems when they launced their ADSL services.

[matt loves telkom]

great news...but i wont get excited and jump onboard.let others be guinea pigs first :p

[digital]

i'm downloading from filedownloader and overseas torrents,streaming overseas radio.All looks good .Happy,happy so far.

[license]

Other than that, I think people are crying wolf far too quickly!... Screamer's Uncapped 384k has hardly had a decent run and we have people critisizing and so much negativity!... *g* Give it a bit of time, and lets see where this leads, and then if its really as bad as you few are making it out to be, then by all means...!

Point is, if you're going to sell it, atleast make sure people like us can't criticize it. I think Screamer was too hasty to get to the market, and decided to drop the R&D and just launch.

There is a reason why WA had the tests, and had the patients. We'll see what WA comes up with. You don't build a network in 1 day... and by the looks of things, Screamer didn't think very much about this.

[sallyspencer]

strange no speedtests have been posted? Please I really want this to be as good as it sounds!!

heres my speed test from their site.....

Download Speed: 271.6 kbps
Typical Dialup 28 kbps 28 kbps
Best-case Dialup 56 kbps 56 kbps
Standard DSL 256 kbps 256 kbps
Your Speed 271.6 kbps
Upload Speed: 106.17 kbps
Typical Dialup 28 kbps 28 kbps
Best-case Dialup 38 kbps 38 kbps
Standard DSL 126 kbps 126 kbps
Your Speed 106.17 kbps


heres another one from Jozi......

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624185041.png (http://www.speedtest.net)


from NY......

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624193073.png

[Madhawk]

i'm downloading from filedownloader and overseas torrents,streaming overseas radio.All looks good .Happy,happy so far.

Speedtest pls: NY & JHB.

Thanks...;)

[Super78]

i'm downloading from filedownloader and overseas torrents,streaming overseas radio.All looks good .Happy,happy so far.

can you post your speed please

[cda]

Other than that, I think people are crying wolf far too quickly!... Screamer's Uncapped 384k has hardly had a decent run and we have people critisizing and so much negativity!...

Negative. They've been plodding along for quite some time now, but they really put their foot in it again with too much marketing and no clue to back it up. I've been on Screamer for some time now, and while they treat you with a smile when it comes to sales. Then you get Screamer reps like Playoff trying to gang up on you with some kind of mob mentality when you tell people about problems.

As for criticism, there are two responses someone can have when people are bashing them on the head with a 2x4 to give them a clue

1) Oh dear, we better fix things quickly
2) OMG YOU ARE JUST NEGATIVE STOP CRITICISING

Guess which one of them keeps you in business.

[johandutoit2000]

Now that I realized that you can get WIMAX without having to pay line rental or DSL access charges, I am very excited. Does anyone know of a provider that can cover Somerset West, Lord Charles area.

[LabAnimal]

Point is, if you're going to sell it, atleast make sure people like us can't criticize it. I think Screamer was too hasty to get to the market, and decided to drop the R&D and just launch.

There is a reason why WA had the tests, and had the patients. We'll see what WA comes up with. You don't build a network in 1 day... and by the looks of things, Screamer didn't think very much about this.

No, Point is, Everybody starts somewhere! and we're still on Day 1. While I agree nobody should rush a product to market, everybody does things differently.

I'm not going to put words in Screamer's mouthes, All I'm saying is, Sit back, don't rush into something, and lets see what comes of it!

There is bound to be more earth shattering price drops coming, and there are always people willing to take the risk and join, instead of watching and waiting to see if its all good!

I'd rather wait and then judge!

[LabAnimal]

Negative. They've been plodding along for quite some time now, but they really put their foot in it again with too much marketing and no clue to back it up. I've been on Screamer for some time now, and while they treat you with a smile when it comes to sales. Then you get Screamer reps like Playoff trying to gang up on you with some kind of mob mentality when you tell people about problems.

Alright, I clearly haven't followed the saga as closely as you have, but since I've now heard your side of it, I think I'd still sit back, wait and observe for a while and then make an informed decision!

[license]

So it took Screamer 3 months to beat Afrihost... Are we going to wait another month for ISP X to beat Screamer's price?

What ever happened to Gridhost? With that cheap prepay - anyone using them? Maybe they'll be the next ones? Come on gridhost.

I wonder what the big bad boys at IS and SAIX and MTN are planning? They must be ***ing themselves with these new Tier1 ISP's popping up.

[Playoff]

The trouble with you cda is that you don't like being identified for what you are. You are the most negative person on this site with your little, "hehehe's I told you so" nonsense. You had one glitch with Screamer and because the CEO did not phone you up and beg your forgiveness you have your little vendetta.

If they are such a mess why do you still use them?? I have not seen one post from you thanking them for your great connection.

I have been with Screamer for 2 years now, and NO I dont work for them, and have had exemplary service out of them.

You and the other trolls on this thread are trying your best to try and find any little flaw that they have and then calling it a train smash to get your little bit of time in the sun and quite frankly we all see you for what you are.

I for one was very concerned with this new announcement because I thought with all these new clients my speed would be affected but it has hardly moved. These are my speedtest results on my 1Mb WiMAX connection.


http://www.speedtest.net/result/624200394.png


Negative. They've been plodding along for quite some time now, but they really put their foot in it again with too much marketing and no clue to back it up. I've been on Screamer for some time now, and while they treat you with a smile when it comes to sales. Then you get Screamer reps like Playoff trying to gang up on you with some kind of mob mentality when you tell people about problems.

As for criticism, there are two responses someone can have when people are bashing them on the head with a 2x4 to give them a clue

1) Oh dear, we better fix things quickly
2) OMG YOU ARE JUST NEGATIVE STOP CRITICISING

Guess which one of them keeps you in business.

[cda]

Alright, I clearly haven't followed the saga as closely as you have, but since I've now heard your side of it, I think I'd still sit back, wait and observe for a while and then make an informed decision!

Well at these prices I'd much rather they fix their service and be real competition.
From what I can see though, the other ISP's are just laughing at it and waiting for it to fall in a heap. Competition has to be serious, professional and sustainable with good backing. If not then it's not competition, it's a bluff.

[LabAnimal]

The trouble with you cda is that you don't like being identified for what you are. You are the most negative person on this site with your little, "hehehe's I told you so" nonsense. You had one glitch with Screamer and because the CEO did not phone you up and beg your forgiveness you have your little vendetta.

If they are such a mess why do you still use them?? I have not seen one post from you thanking them for your great connection.

I have been with Screamer for 2 years now, and NO I dont work for them, and have had exemplary service out of them.

You and the other trolls on this thread are trying your best to try and find any little flaw that they have and then calling it a train smash to get your little bit of time in the sun and quite frankly we all see you for what you are.

I for one was very concerned with this new announcement because I thought with all these new clients my speed would be affected but it has hardly moved. These are my speedtest results on my 1Mb WiMAX connection.


http://www.speedtest.net/result/624200394.png

The funny thing is, I agree with you! They have been nothing but Negative since they started posting today!

But thanks for your side of things! I will be keeping my eye on Screamer for a little while longer and perhaps at the end of the month make my move!...

[Playoff]

heres my speed test from their site.....

Download Speed: 271.6 kbps
Typical Dialup 28 kbps 28 kbps
Best-case Dialup 56 kbps 56 kbps
Standard DSL 256 kbps 256 kbps
Your Speed 271.6 kbps
Upload Speed: 106.17 kbps
Typical Dialup 28 kbps 28 kbps
Best-case Dialup 38 kbps 38 kbps
Standard DSL 126 kbps 126 kbps
Your Speed 106.17 kbps


heres another one from Jozi......

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624185041.png (http://www.speedtest.net)


from NY......

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624193073.png

What ADSL connection do you have? If this is a 384 connection then the download speeds look excellent

[cda]

The trouble with you cda is that you don't like being identified for what you are. You are the most negative person on this site with your little, "hehehe's I told you so" nonsense. You had one glitch with Screamer and because the CEO did not phone you up and beg your forgiveness you have your little vendetta.


Nevermind the CEO, it would have been nice if the frontline staff didn't just reply "Upstream issue" to every technical fault one reports. They don't log faults, they fob them off. Then when **** hits the fan, they pretend that YOU THE PAYING CUSTOMER didn't report a fault.

I didn't have one glitch, I had several unending glitches. For the record - I fixed them myself. They sent the same useless techies to my house who fiddled around and rebooted it and then expected me to reproduce a transient packet loss issue for them - Again blame the client!

Regarding lack of clue, half the problem with Screamer WiMAX is using ATPC in an illegal spectrum. The noise floor is so unstable that ATPC is in constant fight to decide your TX SNR. I turned it off myself and gee most of the problems went away.

That still doesn't explain the random TCP RST's flying around (read the WiMAX forum for more details) - although one explanation I saw is actually the overloaded NAT gateways which could be to blame.



If they are such a mess why do you still use them?? I have not seen one post from you thanking them for your great connection.


I don't have a great connection. I have something slightly better than 3G and Neotel - and the only reason it's even on that level is no thanks to Screamer what so ever.



I have been with Screamer for 2 years now, and NO I dont work for them, and have had exemplary service out of them.


Sounds like you do, because if you removed your head from your back side for half a second you'd read the many people other than myself saying the SAME thing.



You and the other trolls on this thread are trying your best to try and find any little flaw that they have and then calling it a train smash to get your little bit of time in the sun and quite frankly we all see you for what you are.


I think you're the troll here trying to beat around the bush with empty comments about how awesome your connection is.

If you love SARS because you don't earn enough to make a tax bracket, does that mean I should be happy to pay almost a household bond a month in tax? I think not.



I for one was very concerned with this new announcement because I thought with all these new clients my speed would be affected but it has hardly moved. These are my speedtest results on my 1Mb WiMAX connection.


That's because they haven't even managed to process half the orders from what I can read here. Have you tried reading? It's fun. Might help your life a bit.

Compare Screamer to WebAfrica for example

WebAfrica:
Log into website, pop in credit card number, create account, enjoy.

Screamer:
Fax through forms, DNA samples, ID photos and all sorts of nonsense. Wait ages to get your details. Land up with a crappy open source thing to monitor your bandwidth (http://syllogism.co.za/~karnaugh/screamer-usage.jpg) and pray the cowboy engineers don't bite you in the ass (http://syllogism.co.za/~karnaugh/tower_last_10800.png)

Really Playoff, you're not doing them any favours by irritating me.

As for trolling, damn right I am because Screamer should have dealt with my complaints!

[Kawak]

Now that I realized that you can get WIMAX without having to pay line rental or DSL access charges, I am very excited. Does anyone know of a provider that can cover Somerset West, Lord Charles area.

isnt' telkom still offering Wimax to areas without adsl?

And I am still waiting for screamer rep to reply to my Wimax question on page 31, guess its their standard way of responce when there is no good news just don't bother writing it. when i first called this morning they said I was gonna get a call back but 3 hours later I had to call to find out.

Ultra typical.

And thank you oceanmaster for trying to answer my question, and the point you made at the end is the exact one I want to make.

[sallyspencer]

What ADSL connection do you have? If this is a 384 connection then the download speeds look excellent

it is a 384 telkom ADSL line and believe me the download speeds are BRILLIANT....I don't use torrents by the way.....:):D

[kilos]

heres my speed test from their site.....

heres another one from Jozi......

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624185041.png (http://www.speedtest.net)


from NY......

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624193073.png

Thanks Sally for the tests, can you do a tracert to www.bbc.co.uk and www.cnn.com
I see they are using BCS - the same upstream ISP as Digichilli.com

Possibly the first traceroute of Seacom bandwidth

[elL0L]

it is a 384 telkom ADSL line and believe me the download speeds are BRILLIANT....I don't use torrents by the way.....:):D

Your speeds look good, but your 192ms isin't the best.

[Playoff]

They have a ticketing system for fault reports, Why not keep the ticket number handy.
Again you are trying to prove how wonderfull you are by your claims of fixing your own problems. Mostly when people correct their own problems it is because they created them in the first place.

And of course you would know about illegal spectrum when not even ICASA does. Again more conjecture dressed up as fact by you.

There is nothing empty about my connection claims and I have proved it with a posted speed test. Why dont you post your speed tests here to prove your bad connection?

Your SARS analogy is purile.

You can say what you want about Web Africas sign on system but there are clients who want to sign on once and then that is it and not have to haul out their credit card every month...oh and then have to pay high rates for it.

Again your tendency to exagerate for your own point making is laughable. You say that to sign up for Screamer you have to:

"Screamer:
Fax through forms, DNA samples, ID photos and all sorts of nonsense. Wait ages to get your details"

I have looked at their app form and all you have to do is fax the form back to them. None of the other nonsense you have quoted. By the looks of it clients are getting their login details within 1 to 3 hours on a launch day. What a travesty

Anyway I have fed your ego enough by replying to you. Please assume that any more of your posts will be ignored.


Nevermind the CEO, it would have been nice if the frontline staff didn't just reply "Upstream issue" to every technical fault one reports. They don't log faults, they fob them off. Then when **** hits the fan, they pretend that YOU THE PAYING CUSTOMER didn't report a fault.

I didn't have one glitch, I had several unending glitches. For the record - I fixed them myself. They sent the same useless techies to my house who fiddled around and rebooted it and then expected me to reproduce a transient packet loss issue for them - Again blame the client!

Regarding lack of clue, half the problem with Screamer WiMAX is using ATPC in an illegal spectrum. The noise floor is so unstable that ATPC is in constant fight to decide your TX SNR. I turned it off myself and gee most of the problems went away.

That still doesn't explain the random TCP RST's flying around (read the WiMAX forum for more details) - although one explanation I saw is actually the overloaded NAT gateways which could be to blame.



I don't have a great connection. I have something slightly better than 3G and Neotel - and the only reason it's even on that level is no thanks to Screamer what so ever.



Sounds like you do, because if you removed your head from your back side for half a second you'd read the many people other than myself saying the SAME thing.



I think you're the troll here trying to beat around the bush with empty comments about how awesome your connection is.

If you love SARS because you don't earn enough to make a tax bracket, does that mean I should be happy to pay almost a household bond a month in tax? I think not.



That's because they haven't even managed to process half the orders from what I can read here. Have you tried reading? It's fun. Might help your life a bit.

Compare Screamer to WebAfrica for example

WebAfrica:
Log into website, pop in credit card number, create account, enjoy.

Screamer:
Fax through forms, DNA samples, ID photos and all sorts of nonsense. Wait ages to get your details. Land up with a crappy open source thing to monitor your bandwidth (http://syllogism.co.za/~karnaugh/screamer-usage.jpg) and pray the cowboy engineers don't bite you in the ass (http://syllogism.co.za/~karnaugh/tower_last_10800.png)

Really Playoff, you're not doing them any favours by irritating me.

As for trolling, damn right I am because Screamer should have dealt with my complaints!

[[OUPA]MrNutz]

nice s3@com bw riigggght from those nat tracerts riiight.. jakkals verander van hare maar nie van snare!

[sallyspencer]

Thanks Sally for the tests, can you do a tracert to www.bbc.co.uk and www.cnn.com
I see they are using BCS - the same upstream ISP as Digichilli.com

Possibly the first traceroute of Seacom bandwidth

With pleasure but I am IT thick so just tell me what I must do......:eek::D:D

[Gothan]

I'm trying to post some stats, but am having huge issues with dsn (I think), some sites just do not want to open, and its not just on screamer, its on axxess also. The sites that do open are fast, and the international news server immediately went full speed.

The one issue I do have is, that i cannot access my email from pop.eastcoast.co.za. Don't know if seacom uses another pop setting or what, but it just times out.

But did log the error with eastcoast as well as the screamer support, so will see again tomorrow

[kilos]

With pleasure but I am IT thick so just tell me what I must do......:eek::D:D

Click start -> run (enter)
tracert www.cnn.com >> c:\bcs.txt
tracert www.bbc.co.uk >> c:\bcs.txt

Open the file bcs.txt in your C Drive, copy and paste the results here
It till take approx 10-30 sec per tracert

[digital]

http://www.speedtest.net/index.php
ping 134 ms
download speed 0.35 mb/s
upload speed 0.07 mb/s
johannesburg server

[digital]

http://www.speedtest.net/index.php
ping 390 ms
download speed 0.27 mb/s
upload speed 0.08 mb/s
NY server

[AcidRaZor]

No, Point is, Everybody starts somewhere!

Explain how Afrihost got the connection/speeds right from the start then?

Sure, crying wolf too quickly... but any decent ADSL provider gives you your own public IP address at the very least. Unshaped? Nope. Not as far as I'm concerned.

The ping difference on (for example) World Of Warcraft using their "ADSL" and Afrihost is almost 200ms. That's during business hours...

And the countless attempts of their support trying to blame "network congestion" on me not being able to access mybroadband.co.za is horrendous.

Nevermind the false (I didn't have the balls to call the guy a liar over the phone) information he gave saying that the 10.x.x.x.x is what Telkom gives them as IP addresses when I know for a fact is from their own fricken' internal network having had more than 1 wireless connection in my days....

If a provider starts out like this I want to stay far FAR away from them, especially when they give me no evidence that this is ANY better than their current ailing wireless connections. ADSL is suppose to be better, not the same as wireless...

But I dare you to sign up and give them the benefit of the doubt and report back to us. See if we cried wolf too early... me, being connected with every god damn internet connection since I first learned about the internet in 1995... me... server administrator for 3 companies, programmer for several others, someone that knows how DNS servers work (at the very least, which can't be said of their support staff) and knows what goes where and how **** works, protocols, IP's, spam, email you name it I can lecture about it... jack of all trades and they will not pull wool over these eyes.

sure. joe Public might be happy with this service, awesome. But someone who knows something OTHER than being able to type in "www.gmail.com" or "www.youtube.com" is not even *slightly* impressed.

Day 1 Afrihost > Day 1 Screamer by so many LEAPS AND BOUNDS that I can sit here and tell you that Afrihost's bandwidth accounting problems is a mere spec of dust compared to what Screamer showed me today.

And don't you dare label me a "power user that abuses the internet"... I haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to other stuff like P2P availability and speeds. First thing I check is, "can I work"... I couldn't. FAIL

[cda]

Again you are trying to prove how wonderfull you are by your claims of fixing your own problems. Mostly when people correct their own problems it is because they created them in the first place.


Ahh yes, the good old "you stole Sentech's spectrum" argument. Wait. What??

Here's the first happy customer!

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=3345575&postcount=557

:erm:

[AcidRaZor]

http://www.speedtest.net/index.php
ping 134 ms
download speed 0.35 mb/s
upload speed 0.07 mb/s
johannesburg server

Are you from JHB?

Because I would like to know if you're not, if you also find it strange that speedtest.net picked you up as living in JHB and not Cape Town (or some place else)

[cda]

And the countless attempts of their support trying to blame "network congestion" on me not being able to access mybroadband.co.za is horrendous.



Nevermind the CEO, it would have been nice if the frontline staff didn't just reply "Upstream issue" to every technical fault one reports.

Interesting, sounds familiar.

Playoff is definitely right, I just suck these things from my Thumb of +10 Negativity.

[sallyspencer]

Click start -> run (enter)
tracert www.cnn.com >> c:\bcs.txt
tracert www.bbc.co.uk >> c:\bcs.txt

Open the file bcs.txt in your C Drive, copy and paste the results here
It till take approx 10-30 sec per tracert

Thanks for the help.......:D

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.251.197]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1

2 * * * Request timed out.

3 67 ms 89 ms 82 ms 196.25.27.166

4 57 ms 86 ms 77 ms atm.screamer.co.za [196.15.204.82]

5 92 ms 94 ms 78 ms 196.15.204.81

6 88 ms 59 ms 56 ms tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.54.13]

7 237 ms 249 ms 261 ms 196.43.9.54

8 * 259 ms 295 ms 93-126-245-83.packetexchange.net [83.245.126.93]

9 243 ms 264 ms 240 ms 212.58.238.129

10 271 ms 268 ms 242 ms 212.58.239.58

11 284 ms 277 ms 291 ms www-nonuk-vip.telhc.bbc.co.uk [212.58.251.197]



Trace complete.

Thats the first one...off to do the next one

[kilos]

Sallys traceroute - traffic is routing via Telkom SAIX Hmm. not sure when they breakout to Seacom or rather route via Seacom

[sallyspencer]

Sallys traceroute - traffic is routing via Telkom SAIX Hmm

the CNN one is taking ages and there are a lot of ''time outs''......

[Sintac]

Just a way that can clear up all our questions, if Screamer when there services are up and running 100% to do there own SpeedTest/PingTest to various servers for the 384kbps, 512kbps, 1024kbps and 4096kbps connection speeds and post the results here on the forum or on there website.

This way we can see how it performs and if it performs as well as we all hope, it will make up a lot of minds if they want to change or not, most of the people want to change to Screamer but lack of knowing how the performance is holding them back.

Sorry if this idea sounds very obvious, just felt like mentioning it. :)
Still waiting for a nice and cheap 4096kbps unlimited offer.

[sallyspencer]

Heres the CNN one


Tracing route to www.cnn.com [157.166.255.18]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1

2 * * * Request timed out.

3 95 ms 91 ms 90 ms 196.25.27.166

4 90 ms 82 ms 77 ms atm.screamer.co.za [196.15.204.82]

5 87 ms 93 ms 86 ms 196.15.204.81

6 102 ms 79 ms 102 ms tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.54.13]

7 * 286 ms 293 ms lon-ip-dir-telecity-pos-1-1-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.9.50]

8 273 ms * 279 ms ge-6-2-903.car5.london1.level3.net [212.113.10.69]

9 245 ms 274 ms 293 ms ae-34-52.ebr2.london1.level3.net [4.69.139.97]

10 341 ms 344 ms * ae-43-43.ebr1.newyork1.level3.net [4.69.137.74]

11 334 ms 383 ms 345 ms ae-3-3.ebr4.washington1.level3.net [4.69.132.93]

12 351 ms 353 ms 370 ms ae-94-94.csw4.washington1.level3.net [4.69.134.190]

13 364 ms 339 ms 354 ms ae-91-91.ebr1.washington1.level3.net [4.69.134.141]

14 371 ms * 350 ms ae-2.ebr3.atlanta2.level3.net [4.69.132.85]

15 * 373 ms 370 ms ae-21-52.car1.atlanta1.level3.net [4.68.103.34]

16 * * * Request timed out.

17 * * * Request timed out.

18 * * * Request timed out.

19 * * * Request timed out.

20 * * * Request timed out.

21 * * * Request timed out.

22 * * * Request timed out.

23 * * * Request timed out.

24 * * * Request timed out.

25 * * * Request timed out.

26 * * * Request timed out.

27 * * * Request timed out.

28 * * * Request timed out.

29 * * * Request timed out.

30 * * * Request timed out.



Trace complete.

[klasvaakie]

and so the pricewar starts :)

[saffakanera]

ADSL 384

Tracing route to www.neogaf.com [72.52.200.115]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms home.gateway [192.168.0.254]

2 20 ms 18 ms 18 ms 10.216.136.1

3 63 ms 42 ms 67 ms 196.25.27.166

4 53 ms 56 ms 97 ms atm.screamer.co.za [196.15.204.82]

5 100 ms 74 ms 47 ms 196.15.204.81

6 130 ms 57 ms 52 ms tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.54.13]

7 299 ms 295 ms 303 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-4-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.18.30]

8 299 ms 315 ms 317 ms so-3-0-1.ar1.dca3.gblx.net [208.49.224.161]

9 337 ms 312 ms 327 ms 64.209.88.186

10 319 ms 329 ms 346 ms lw-dc2-core3-te9-1.rtr.liquidweb.com [209.59.157.224]

11 363 ms 346 ms 344 ms lw-dc2-sec1-dist1-po1.rtr.liquidweb.com [209.59.157.216]

12 * 351 ms 358 ms 72.52.200.115



Trace complete.

[AcidRaZor]

Interesting, sounds familiar.

Playoff is definitely right, I just suck these things from my Thumb of +10 Negativity.

Playoff is a ***** (stars I put in myself because I'm sure the word I'm using isn't blocked by the profanity filter) and I wouldn't really give him the time of day nevermind let him bother me with his "opinions" (that more than often results in direct insults) even when he doesn't have any proof, ground or knowledge of the subject at hand.

[dept of]

I'm on the 5gb capped package right now... feels like I'm on dialup.

[Lightscribe]

Congrats to all at Screamer! You have just made my dream come true, with R399 uncapped... :D

DigiChilli "Mild" uncapped and burstable, with 2 concurrent connections at R500, is the best deal for those who want to share costs. R500/2=R250 each for uncapped.

Screamer uncapped 384k is slightly faster, but non burstable, with only 1 concurrent connection at R399. Ultra cheap, which is perfect for those that need entry level uncapped.

Congrats Screamer for the new SA record for standalone gigs at R23!

Thank you again, Afrihost, DigiChilli, BCS, and Screamer. You have opened the door for millions of South Africans. :D

[rurapente]

everyone bow on the count of 3. and im still keeping my uncapped at Axxess :)

[saffakanera]

Mmmm...browsing is a tad slow, but hey, its 10 GIGS baby :D

[saffakanera]

Feels like torrents are a bit shaped though. fkn slow across the board, maybe its a slow night /s

[cda]

Well my WiMAX is dreadfully slow now. Games are tremendously laggy.

Thanks Screamer for dumping a whole bunch of torrent whores on your network!

[JustAsk]

Nevermind the CEO, it would have been nice if the frontline staff didn't just reply "Upstream issue" to every technical fault one reports.Interesting, sounds familiar.

Playoff is definitely right, I just suck these things from my Thumb of +10 Negativity.

Dude,why are you quoting yourself...and reply to your own quote?

There could be problems but you sound like someone with an agenda.

[sallyspencer]

OOPS but things have really come to a stand still.....wonder what the problem is....???

[cda]

Dude,why are you quoting yourself...and reply to your own quote?

There could be problems but you sound like someone with an agenda.

Dude, read the whole post?

[saffakanera]

Bitching about online gaming and wimax is pretty redundant, dude wake up you sound like a nuclear bomb of mass noobness by complaining about lag on a *wireless* network.

sallyspencer yea man lol, bit of a crawl atm.

[saffakanera]

Sweet Jeebus im getting packet loss or something like mad, not very enthusiastic when the "backbone" cant handle a couple of aggressive 384's lol, still, R230 for 10 slow gigs is still a damn good deal.

[license]

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1

2 * * * Request timed out.

Seems our friends at screamer figured out how to block traceroutes on their "core" network - nice one boys. Hiding your IP doesn't help ;-)

[cda]

Bitching about online gaming and wimax is pretty redundant, dude wake up you sound like a nuclear bomb of mass noobness by complaining about lag on a *wireless* network.

It's the same network genius.

[saffakanera]

It's the same network genius.

/facedesk


I cant talk to you again, ever. :(

[cda]

/facedesk


I cant talk to you again, ever. :(

You shouldn't hit your head, it's clearly damaging your brain

Screamer ADSL -> level3.com


5 48 ms 319 ms 540 ms 196.15.204.81
6 319 ms 503 ms 503 ms tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.25.54.13]
7 799 ms 1329 ms 1402 ms lon-ip-dir-telecity-pos-7-0-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.18.6]


Screamer WiMAX -> level3.com


6 196.15.204.81 (196.15.204.81) 64.025 ms 44.905 ms 33.614 ms
7 tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.54.13) 168.265 ms 168.324 ms 173.766 ms
8 lon-ip-dir-telecity-pos-7-0-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.18.6) 388.276 ms 388.623 ms 392.789 ms

[hj2k_x]

Feels like torrents are a bit shaped though. fkn slow across the board, maybe its a slow night /s

How slow?

[license]

Feels like torrents are a bit shaped though. fkn slow across the board, maybe its a slow night /s

Either they shape P2P, or their NAT server (probably a linux box) is struggling to handle all the connection tracking... let alone the fact that your ADSL router is ALSO doing NAT.

[AcidRaZor]

Congrats to all at Screamer! You have just made my dream come true, with R399 uncapped... :D

DigiChilli "Mild" uncapped and burstable, with 2 concurrent connections at R500, is the best deal for those who want to share costs. R500/2=R250 each for uncapped.

Screamer uncapped 384k is slightly faster, but non burstable, with only 1 concurrent connection at R399. Ultra cheap, which is perfect for those that need entry level uncapped.

Congrats Screamer for the new SA record for standalone gigs at R23!

Thank you again, Afrihost, DigiChilli, BCS, and Screamer. You have opened the door for millions of South Africans. :D

So you tried Screamer? I would really love to see your take on things... or you turning a blind eye and only looking at what they say they're giving the users and for what price?

Let me guess, if I release an ADSL service at R10/gig and route it through my own 56k modem dialup, you'll sing my praises too?

[daffy]

Bitching about online gaming and wimax is pretty redundant, dude wake up you sound like a nuclear bomb of mass noobness by complaining about lag on a *wireless* network.

Uhm, my ISP is a Wireless ISP, and has better pings than and ADSL ISP in the country.

Wireless can be done properly. Its just that the "techs" have blamed the technology too much, that people are starting to believe them.

[AcidRaZor]

Bitching about online gaming and wimax is pretty redundant, dude wake up you sound like a nuclear bomb of mass noobness by complaining about lag on a *wireless* network.

sallyspencer yea man lol, bit of a crawl atm.

Actually, gaming on Wimax (Telkom wimax that is) is 100000000 times better, and I have several clients I referred to them before they stopped installing and they're all happy. Maybe it's the public IP address each of them gets like it was a normal *true last mile* connection?

Telkom does have the upper hand because it terminates straight into their ADSL exchange, but saying that "bitching about online gaming and wimax is pretty redundant" when you haven't felt how a *correctly implemented wireless network* feels like is a bit... well... not well informed.

BUT I guess you haven't tried them all yet so you had to make an assumption? ;)

[saffakanera]

Actually, gaming on Wimax (Telkom wimax that is) is 100000000 times better, and I have several clients I referred to them before they stopped installing and they're all happy. Maybe it's the public IP address each of them gets like it was a normal *true last mile* connection?

Telkom does have the upper hand because it terminates straight into their ADSL exchange, but saying that "bitching about online gaming and wimax is pretty redundant" when you haven't felt how a *correctly implemented wireless network* feels like is a bit... well... not well informed.

BUT I guess you haven't tried them all yet so you had to make an assumption? ;)

OK, so Wimax has response times on par with wired connections? 90% responsive like wired? What about the consumer offerings from Telkom, you reckon its superior to using wired ADSL in terms of latency/uptime etc?

Sounds like Wimax, or wireless anyway, is the way forward, I still enjoy the concept of one day having fixed fiber, significantly less packet loss potential, huge pipes, what more can you want? :)

[saffakanera]

So you tried Screamer? I would really love to see your take on things... or you turning a blind eye and only looking at what they say they're giving the users and for what price?

Let me guess, if I release an ADSL service at R10/gig and route it through my own 56k modem dialup, you'll sing my praises too?

You can also spam your clients with your Bulk mail marketing solutions. :cool:

[license]

Uhm, my ISP is a Wireless ISP, and has better pings than and ADSL ISP in the country.

Wireless can be done properly. Its just that the "techs" have blamed the technology too much, that people are starting to believe them.

Thats only plausible within the same network. I would love to see Wireless -> fixed line -> international beat an ADSL service.

I have seen pings of 9ms on an ISP's core ADSL network, that is ADSL -> Telkom -> IPC -> Core network.

So if we put gaming servers on the ADSL core network, games would literally be at ethernet latency.

Truth is, wirelesss is more prone to enviromental change, and therefore can not be classed as a true guaranteed service right now.

Anyway, no point fighting over wireless - you're right its not the technology, but the fools that set it up.

[Lightscribe]

So you tried Screamer?

No. The are known. They have some clients that complain, some that like them. Same as other ISPs.


I would really love to see your take on things... or you turning a blind eye and only looking at what they say they're giving the users and for what price?

See my answer above.


Let me guess, if I release an ADSL service at R10/gig and route it through my own 56k modem dialup, you'll sing my praises too?

Nope.

You can tell people all the bad things. :p

I'll tell people all the good things. ;)

[digital]

YES I'M in JHB and not in CPT......

[Patty]

All I know is that screamer has some explaining to do tomorrow morning if they want me to join. Eagerly awaiting their reply. You got all our hopes up so now we need answers to the funnies.

[Kraai2009]

I must admit, no problem here in the country where I am, on the wimax. I guess I am on a different route than the ADSL users perhaps? On my wimax 512 line I got to local JHB server:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624521227.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

And to Dallas Texas where my servers are:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624525375.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

[saffakanera]

Patty im using it right now, not bad man, little bit sluggish, but otherwise its fine, if they induce hectic contention, just refuse to pay, cant just go take a community for a spin, we can class-act your arse :)

[license]

So here is the cut and dry.

While Afrihost were the first, they took a huge risk. "Subsidising" my ass. They figured that if x amount of people join, and use y amount of offpeak bandwidth, they could achieve an effective per GB rate of z. So if you wanted to cripple Afrihost, start raping during peak hours and turn our net off during off peak hours - we'll see Afrihost close that offer very quickly.

Screamer on the other hand is buying true bandwidth, therefore at a certain capacity, their effective rate is A. So if you want a more "reliable" ISP, Screamer would be the choice, as they're not running a potential risk that works on a model of peak/offpeak blended traffic.

But time will tell.

[saffakanera]

I must admit, no problem here in the country where I am, on the wimax. I guess I am on a different route than the ADSL users perhaps? On my wimax 512 line I got to local JHB server:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624521227.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

And to Dallas Texas where my servers are:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/624525375.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Not bad at all Kraai, is Telkom still selling Wimax?

[Kraai2009]

Not bad at all Kraai, is Telkom still selling Wimax?

He he.... nope, this is on a screamer wimax on a farm.

[cda]

No. The are known. They have some clients that complain, some that like them. Same as other ISPs.

Correction on that, they have one client (here anyway) who likes them. Every Screamer customer I talk to besides Playoff can't wait to get rid of them.

My Telkom ADSL should be installed soon...

I really hope they do get some propper IP space, hire at least one CCIE and get some support staff who have basic phone manners and idea of how IP works. They are at least brave enough to compete, they just need the skills to backup the mouth

[wikus]

What is the procedure for transfering my adsl line from cybersmart to telkom? And how much down-time can I expect?

You have to email them and request that it be done.
Expect to wait a long time depending on if there is still some Telkom staff who haven't taken an early Christmas.
I am waiting for my line to be transferred back to Telkom and a week has already passed with nothing happening

[wikus]

You don't have any news server access with Screamer.

Like someone mentioned before, you can access international news servers (at a subscription fee)

[Tjoker]

So whats the verdict on Screamer and Digichilli??

[burn]

Patty im using it right now, not bad man, little bit sluggish, but otherwise its fine, if they induce hectic contention, just refuse to pay, cant just go take a community for a spin, we can class-act your arse :)

There is no provision for class actions, as such, in SA law but there are a few people working on it. Sadly, few law firms will help them out as they all get big money from these very companies (they call it conflict of interest). but as I say it is a work in progress.

[Nortic]

I really hope they do get some propper IP space, hire at least one CCIE

ROFL, can you imagine how many R23 gigabytes they have to sell in order to do that. If they budget R1 per gb for an engineer, they will have to sell 60 000 1gb accounts. Now how much of the R23 is going towards the call center? How much will go towards the billing department? Considering the above and the low number of nomadic dsl users, its not going to happen.

Screamer clients will always be screamers.

[dept of]

http://www.pingtest.net/result/3520886.png

Local :(

[Nortic]

http://www.pingtest.net/result/3520886.png

Local :(

Line Quality: F

F is for Fail?

[saffakanera]

OK so I switched to Screamer, weird thing though, DNS stopped working last night, this morning too, when I switch to Imaginet ISP, everything is fine, but back to screamer, nothing, just DNS errors... oops?

[bessie]

Bessie is feeling like a Peanut???? PLEASE can someone break this down for me

traceroute: Warning: www.google.co.uk has multiple addresses; using 74.125.95.104
traceroute to www.google.com (74.125.95.104), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1) 2.306 ms 0.947 ms 0.926 ms
2 10.216.132.1 (10.216.132.1) 40.021 ms 41.951 ms 39.877 ms
3 196.25.27.166 (196.25.27.166) 77.011 ms 89.902 ms 96.538 ms
4 atm.screamer.co.za (196.15.204.82) 87.658 ms 84.554 ms 91.727 ms
5 196.15.204.81 (196.15.204.81) 97.797 ms 94.264 ms *
6 tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.54.13) 84.869 ms 90.488 ms 93.565 ms
7 lon-ip-dir-telecity-pos-1-1-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.9.50) 268.681 ms 314.334 ms *
8 125-126-245-83.packetexchange.net (83.245.126.125) 281.363 ms 303.145 ms 274.114 ms
9 209.85.252.76 (209.85.252.76) 261.568 ms 271.181 ms 295.340 ms
10 216.239.43.192 (216.239.43.192) 338.074 ms 342.717 ms *
11 216.239.46.14 (216.239.46.14) 380.100 ms 371.100 ms *
12 209.85.241.22 (209.85.241.22) 397.041 ms 369.925 ms 72.14.232.141 (72.14.232.141) 386.599 ms
13 209.85.241.35 (209.85.241.35) 386.665 ms 209.85.241.29 (209.85.241.29) 393.996 ms 374.992 ms
14 72.14.239.193 (72.14.239.193) 364.705 ms 389.398 ms 209.85.240.49 (209.85.240.49) 403.106 ms
15 iw-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.95.104) 377.449 ms * 355.500 ms

*confused*

[saffakanera]

Ah seems to be back to normal, well im still pretty chuffed with the 10 gigs @ R230 offer, if the service holds up! Browsing contended is still better than not browsing at all!

[Gothan]

Ag I'll still give them a month. New devision, teething problems. Luckily I still have my uncapped express to fall back on this month. Think the real test is how they handle this little glitch in there system

[howzit]

We have reverted to a NAT'ed network because we realized that some service
providers can't advertise our IP 's yet and that is why some web sites
couldn't be opened. The reason for this is that some of our peering partners
need to complete upgrades so that they can support our 4-Byte ASN. we
decided to convert to a 32-bit AS Number now instead of
a 16-bit AS Number because of expected ASN shortage in the 16-bit range
around the year 2010. We are probably the first to run a 4 Byte AS and some
of the older providers still run 2 Byte AS.

The majority of the providers we are waiting for are local as all the
international links are registered.

For 99% of our clients NAT'ing for a short while (probably till early next
week) while we contact those providers that can't broadcast our routes yet to fix this is not an issue.
For those that find this an issue we will happily cancel you application.

[Gothan]

Thanks for the feedback Howzit, like I said in my previous post. Its a new division for your company, so teething problems are expected, its all part of the growth process.

Will still hang in there for a month or so to see if it all pans out (oh please pan out, R399 for uncapped is the best freakin price ever!!!)

[jls_n]

Does screamer telecoms have a peering point at jinx yet. If not, do u guys plan on getting one. :)

[elL0L]

ROFL, can you imagine how many R23 gigabytes they have to sell in order to do that. If they budget R1 per gb for an engineer, they will have to sell 60 000 1gb accounts. Now how much of the R23 is going towards the call center? How much will go towards the billing department? Considering the above and the low number of nomadic dsl users, its not going to happen.

Screamer clients will always be screamers.

Now why can't Telkom, Mweb, WA, Axxess do it?

[Pr⊕phet]

now we call all say that GWISA rocks ;)

[Solja.]

And best part is that there are no threshholds on the Screamer uncapped accounts :D

[rippedoff]

1mb/s at 1499 no thresholds or Axxess 4mb/s with threshold at 1499, i suppose it depends what you need it for

[license]

We have reverted to a NAT'ed network

Thanks for the honesty Howzit. Next time rather come out with the truth instead of turning around to the community and saying "We Don't NAT our network". It saves having egg on your face.

;-)

[saffakanera]

We have reverted to a NAT'ed network because we realized that some service
providers can't advertise our IP 's yet and that is why some web sites
couldn't be opened. The reason for this is that some of our peering partners
need to complete upgrades so that they can support our 4-Byte ASN. we
decided to convert to a 32-bit AS Number now instead of
a 16-bit AS Number because of expected ASN shortage in the 16-bit range
around the year 2010. We are probably the first to run a 4 Byte AS and some
of the older providers still run 2 Byte AS.

The majority of the providers we are waiting for are local as all the
international links are registered.

For 99% of our clients NAT'ing for a short while (probably till early next
week) while we contact those providers that can't broadcast our routes yet to fix this is not an issue.
For those that find this an issue we will happily cancel you application.

+999999

fskn brilliant mate, keep up the good work.

[rurapente]

hmmmmm.

[howzit]

Thanks for the honesty Howzit. Next time rather come out with the truth instead of turning around to the community and saying "We Don't NAT our network". It saves having egg on your face.

;-)

When I said yesterday we were not running a NAT'ed network we were'nt. We have reverted to a NAT'ed network for about a week because some of our clients informed us about sites they couldn't open for the reasons outlined above.
Hopefully it won't even be for a week for those that it matters to.

[Oreomitch]

Thanks, howzit.

While I'm cautiously optimistic, I'm happy to see the pro-active response. Will re-visit at the end of November.

[EddG]

Does screamer support torrents?

[saffakanera]

Howzit did say they are working on some stuff dude, might want to hold out and see what happens!

[EddG]

Yesterday when i connected i got good speeds.. But today my downloads are very slow??

[paul5186]

Thats only plausible within the same network. I would love to see Wireless -> fixed line -> international beat an ADSL service.

I have seen pings of 9ms on an ISP's core ADSL network, that is ADSL -> Telkom -> IPC -> Core network.

So if we put gaming servers on the ADSL core network, games would literally be at ethernet latency.

Truth is, wirelesss is more prone to enviromental change, and therefore can not be classed as a true guaranteed service right now.

Anyway, no point fighting over wireless - you're right its not the technology, but the fools that set it up.

My wireless connection at work:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/624948391.png

Definitely better than ADSL

[cda]

The reason for this is that some of our peering partners
need to complete upgrades so that they can support our 4-Byte ASN. we
decided to convert to a 32-bit AS Number now instead of
a 16-bit AS Number because of expected ASN shortage in the 16-bit range
around the year 2010. We are probably the first to run a 4 Byte AS and some
of the older providers still run 2 Byte AS.


What is your ASN?

[JoSorc]

Signed yesterday, pulled this morning. Piss poor throughput. 6kb last night.

[bawrak]

My wireless connection at work:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/624948391.png

Definitely better than ADSL

Phooey! That looks mighty nice paul5186! :D

What is it and how much does it cost? ;)

[bawrak]

Phooey! That looks mighty nice paul5186! :D

What is it and how much does it cost? ;)

Never mind, it must be metronet wireless which is ridiculously expensive @ R16k a month for 4mbps :(

[paul5186]

I don't want to advertise as its one of our products in cape town. But is not R16k for 4Mb its more like under a K for 5Mb up and down.

[midkemia]

OMG! it took like 5 hours to read all the topics on this forum!

R399 is frekin awesome... +1 to screamer for the promotion


pity about having to NAT everyone because your network cant handle it...?


PS. common guys PM each other if you wanna fight... this seriously isnt the place!

[sallyspencer]

I ain't leaving them...I will stick through the *** to the bitter end......

[Tinuva]

Bessie is feeling like a Peanut???? PLEASE can someone break this down for me

traceroute: Warning: www.google.co.uk has multiple addresses; using 74.125.95.104
traceroute to www.google.com (74.125.95.104), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1) 2.306 ms 0.947 ms 0.926 ms
2 10.216.132.1 (10.216.132.1) 40.021 ms 41.951 ms 39.877 ms
3 196.25.27.166 (196.25.27.166) 77.011 ms 89.902 ms 96.538 ms
4 atm.screamer.co.za (196.15.204.82) 87.658 ms 84.554 ms 91.727 ms
5 196.15.204.81 (196.15.204.81) 97.797 ms 94.264 ms *
6 tpr-ip-esr-3-wan.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.25.54.13) 84.869 ms 90.488 ms 93.565 ms
7 lon-ip-dir-telecity-pos-1-1-0.telkom-ipnet.co.za (196.43.9.50) 268.681 ms 314.334 ms *
8 125-126-245-83.packetexchange.net (83.245.126.125) 281.363 ms 303.145 ms 274.114 ms
9 209.85.252.76 (209.85.252.76) 261.568 ms 271.181 ms 295.340 ms
10 216.239.43.192 (216.239.43.192) 338.074 ms 342.717 ms *
11 216.239.46.14 (216.239.46.14) 380.100 ms 371.100 ms *
12 209.85.241.22 (209.85.241.22) 397.041 ms 369.925 ms 72.14.232.141 (72.14.232.141) 386.599 ms
13 209.85.241.35 (209.85.241.35) 386.665 ms 209.85.241.29 (209.85.241.29) 393.996 ms 374.992 ms
14 72.14.239.193 (72.14.239.193) 364.705 ms 389.398 ms 209.85.240.49 (209.85.240.49) 403.106 ms
15 iw-in-f104.1e100.net (74.125.95.104) 377.449 ms * 355.500 ms

*confused*
1st hop in your case is the ADSL router I assume, being a 192.168.2.x ip.
The next hop is usually located on Telkom's IPC product, and show usually be fairly low, the fact that yours sit at 40ms means one of a few facts,
1. there was usage on the line
2. might be a very very bad adsl line

After your latency jumped again, about 30-40ms which well again is odd, but could be that.
1. Usage on the line
2. You are very far located from the ISP's IPC link from telkom to their Core Network. From what I can tell, screamer's IPC link sit in Pretoria, one of SAIX's bigger presences in Gauteng.

Then from there latency jumped to about 170ms to international, which is very good.

That is pretty much what the SAIX/Telkom GOLD connection give you, so I would say their network is not under any load yet. At least not from their core to where it break out to the internet. As for your ADSL line to their Core Network...thats the real discussion I guess and well I think we will need better traceroutes to judge that.

For example here is route from a core network to breakout traceroute:


traceroute to www.google.co.za (209.85.229.104), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 (196.x.x.x) 1.185 ms 1.177 ms 1.169 ms
2 (196.x.x.x) 0.599 ms 0.601 ms 0.596 ms
3 196.43.9.54 (196.43.9.54) 161.219 ms 161.210 ms 161.204 ms
4 221-76-245-83.packetexchange.net (83.245.76.221) 167.676 ms 167.670 ms 167.662 ms
5 209.85.252.76 (209.85.252.76) 167.730 ms 209.85.255.175 (209.85.255.175) 162.747 ms 209.85.252.76 (209.85.252.76) 167.795 ms
6 66.249.95.170 (66.249.95.170) 169.877 ms 185.791 ms 185.776 ms
7 209.85.252.83 (209.85.252.83) 168.972 ms 72.14.236.191 (72.14.236.191) 169.624 ms 209.85.251.231 (209.85.251.231) 173.917 ms
8 209.85.243.81 (209.85.243.81) 173.584 ms 170.221 ms 209.85.243.73 (209.85.243.73) 169.836 ms
9 ww-in-f104.1e100.net (209.85.229.104) 169.870 ms 169.010 ms 168.878 msOnly difference is, this one is from Cape Town and not Pretoria.


We have reverted to a NAT'ed network because we realized that some service
providers can't advertise our IP 's yet and that is why some web sites
couldn't be opened. The reason for this is that some of our peering partners
need to complete upgrades so that they can support our 4-Byte ASN. we
decided to convert to a 32-bit AS Number now instead of
a 16-bit AS Number because of expected ASN shortage in the 16-bit range
around the year 2010. We are probably the first to run a 4 Byte AS and some
of the older providers still run 2 Byte AS.

The majority of the providers we are waiting for are local as all the
international links are registered.

For 99% of our clients NAT'ing for a short while (probably till early next
week) while we contact those providers that can't broadcast our routes yet to fix this is not an issue.
For those that find this an issue we will happily cancel you application.
Interesting. Would like to know what your ASN is, and over who is it advertised by now?

[c10n3d_0r6]

Damn...was expecting to wake up to a new uncapped product of R299 pm for 384k:)

[saffakanera]

Signed yesterday, pulled this morning. Piss poor throughput. 6kb last night.

Eish, dude im sure Howzit has an explanation for that, AFAIK they are just launching this service man, surely it will get better quite soon?

[Tjoker]

can someone explain what has happened(Regarding NAT) in plain English please?

[dept of]

Interesting. Would like to know what your ASN is, and over who is it advertised by now?

It essentially boils down to being IPv6 capable and some routers on the internet not accepting the "advertising" of their routing.

[c10n3d_0r6]

can someone explain what has happened(Regarding NAT) in plain English please?

Screamer implemented a newer technology network as the current ones would run out of space for everyone in a year or two's time. The problem is not all providers were able to access this network, and so they've switched to using NAT in the meantime until they can get all the providers to upgrade so that they can be usable with the newer network...that's about as layman as I can make it:)

[Ryansta]

k word on the street is i can get wifi 384 uncapped... is this at all worth it? dl's are gonna happen but i really wanna online cod4 maybe cod6, no one on jawug wants to play haha...

[Nortic]

What is your ASN?

probably a private number as well

[Super78]

I think
I'm gonna give them till next week before I sign up
Anyone know if this is a limited offer?

[howzit]

Hi

I think it is time for an update now that we have broken the back of all the questions on this thread and sent via e-mail,etc.

The uptake has been tremendous as we all expected and because we did not want to disappoint any of the initial applicants everyone was issued with a login. As a result of the massive surge there was some performance degradation on the initial bandwidth last night and we are increasing the bandwidth provisioning today so there might be a few disconnects for short periods while this is being done.

We are adamant that we will not turn anyone away so as the demand increases we will make sure that there is sufficient bandwidth for all our new clients. We expect that the initial demand will start decreasing after the weekend and by then we will have a very good idea of what the total demand on the bandwidth will be and the odd disconnect that will happen this week will virtually disappear.

Because there has not been an accross the board launch like this before we had no historical data to rely on and so we are learning just how badly the SA consumer has been starved of bandwidth as we go along.

We thank you for your feedback as this will only help us make the service better for you.

[Super78]

Hi

I think it is time for an update now that we have broken the back of all the questions on this thread and sent via e-mail,etc.

The uptake has been tremendous as we all expected and because we did not want to disappoint any of the initial applicants everyone was issued with a login. As a result of the massive surge there was some performance degradation on the initial bandwidth last night and we are increasing the bandwidth provisioning today so there might be a few disconnects for short periods while this is being done.

We are adamant that we will not turn anyone away so as the demand increases we will make sure that there is sufficient bandwidth for all our new clients. We expect that the initial demand will start decreasing after the weekend and by then we will have a very good idea of what the total demand on the bandwidth will be and the odd disconnect that will happen this week will virtually disappear.

Because there has not been an accross the board launch like this before we had no historical data to rely on and so we are learning just how badly the SA consumer has been starved of bandwidth as we go along.

We thank you for your feedback as this will only help us make the service better for you.

sounds good

[porchrat]

okay kinda like me having my own internal IP's assigend to my PC's behind my ADSL router at home?

This question doesn't seem to have been answered so I thought I would help out:

Yes, NAT is exactly like your router using internal IP addresses different to your dynamically assigned external IP address (the one provided by your ISP). In fact your router at home is actually a NAT device.

[Kraai2009]

I am a happy screamer wimax customer, as for the new adsl product, I have no opinion as I do not have adsl lines where I am in the bundus. I think, the fact that I do not deal directly with Screamer call center to resolve "issues" makes my experience even better, as our local Screamer branch resolve all possible issues personally and to my satisfaction.

The fact that the only service provider that is available to me here in the bundus, namely Screamer, came to the party in the prize war, makes me even more happy. There was a time a month or so ago when I thought, o hell, everybody is getting cheaper bandwidth that has ADSL, and here I am, stuck with Screamer paying way too much in comparison, and now this has happened, Screamer came to the party, and I myself are going to be saving big money on their new prize structure, even after I upgraded my linespeed from 512 to 1 mB. And on top of it all, I get a free land line and tel number from them with reduced call rates (more than half reduced on what telkom currently charges for calls) and this is not VOIP, it is land line, over their network. All this included, at no extra charge.

As for the "unhappy" ADSL users, I suggest to give them a chance as I myself was very negative when I first joined them a couple of months ago, and because there were no internet at all in the area where I am, and they had to come and actually install special towers to accommodate me, there were teething problems with my internet connections as well in the beginning, but it got sorted out, and is running as smooth as any conventional ADSL would, and most of the time I get better speeds and pings as when I was on ADSL with a telkom line before.

Howzit on this forum, is also a big help, and he is resolving issues, and that showed me commitment to their customers. As I am not dealing with the call center directly, I cannot comment on their service levels there, or their competence, but judging on what I read here, I guess they should jack up their call center, with competent staff, to be able to help the influx of ADSL users questions. I also suggest a Q&A section on their website. I think the most important thing that a customer requires, is to know what is going on, so if it does happen that internet is slow, or any other issues, the customer deserves to be informed the reason for that, and more than likely, the customer will be more patient if they know why something is wrong, as well as how long it will take to come right again.

Just my thoughts guys, use it, don't use it.

[dept of]

I would suggest Screamer's representative start a notification thread mixed with a bit of Q&A because currently we have him posting a single post answering a few questions every 10th page of this thread. Only the minority of users get to see it, leaving the majority with questions and misconceptions.

[EddG]

Hi

I think it is time for an update now that we have broken the back of all the questions on this thread and sent via e-mail,etc.

The uptake has been tremendous as we all expected and because we did not want to disappoint any of the initial applicants everyone was issued with a login. As a result of the massive surge there was some performance degradation on the initial bandwidth last night and we are increasing the bandwidth provisioning today so there might be a few disconnects for short periods while this is being done.

We are adamant that we will not turn anyone away so as the demand increases we will make sure that there is sufficient bandwidth for all our new clients. We expect that the initial demand will start decreasing after the weekend and by then we will have a very good idea of what the total demand on the bandwidth will be and the odd disconnect that will happen this week will virtually disappear.

Because there has not been an accross the board launch like this before we had no historical data to rely on and so we are learning just how badly the SA consumer has been starved of bandwidth as we go along.

We thank you for your feedback as this will only help us make the service better for you.

Thank you for the headsup.
I'm once again a happy screamer

[Tjoker]

Howzit on this forum, is also a big help, and he is resolving issues, and that showed me commitment to their customers.

+1 000 001

[Robocop]

Hi

we are learning just how badly the SA consumer has been starved of bandwidth as we go along.

You must be joking right.......
And this was after 1 day only. Wait until the masses catches on. You'll have to rethink the amount of bandwith you budgeted for.

[Smokey_sa]

Hi there I'm new to this forum and been reading through it since yesterday.
I'm rather new to the SA internet and was looking for an uncapped solution.

Now one comes up and I think we should be glad that someone started the competition no matter how much trouble they go through to get it working. It's the only way to bring the prices down. I think it's a good start but still needs more competition in order to make an affordable uncapped service possible.

What suprised me most was the statement of Howzit that they didn't expect the run on their offer... how could you not expect that when offering a uncapped line like that ?

My question for you is how much download can I get for the 384 kb?

I know my maths and what I could get, but what is your experience regarding international downloading?

What can you get downloaded using torrent or any other p2p or on a HTTP download? Because at the end that's what it's all about isn't it?

cheers

[Blaze786]

If I am not happy can I cancel? I used a total of 15mb yesterday which I am happy to pay for...

[AcidRaZor]

OMG! it took like 5 hours to read all the topics on this forum!

R399 is frekin awesome... +1 to screamer for the promotion


pity about having to NAT everyone because your network cant handle it...?


PS. common guys PM each other if you wanna fight... this seriously isnt the place!

Service not as advertised, don't care what the price is, if it's barely usable then I don't want it. That together with their "It's the DNS server" solution to everything makes me think it's a half-baked company, just like the rest of the wireless providers


Hi

I think it is time for an update now that we have broken the back of all the questions on this thread and sent via e-mail,etc.

The uptake has been tremendous as we all expected and because we did not want to disappoint any of the initial applicants everyone was issued with a login. As a result of the massive surge there was some performance degradation on the initial bandwidth last night and we are increasing the bandwidth provisioning today so there might be a few disconnects for short periods while this is being done.

We are adamant that we will not turn anyone away so as the demand increases we will make sure that there is sufficient bandwidth for all our new clients. We expect that the initial demand will start decreasing after the weekend and by then we will have a very good idea of what the total demand on the bandwidth will be and the odd disconnect that will happen this week will virtually disappear.

Because there has not been an accross the board launch like this before we had no historical data to rely on and so we are learning just how badly the SA consumer has been starved of bandwidth as we go along.

We thank you for your feedback as this will only help us make the service better for you.

It's funny how you're suprised by the uptake of your service? You didn't for one second think that it would be popular at all? With your false advertised "unshaped" & uncapped for R399? Not at all?

Then, I'm afraid, you and the rest of these companies that under-estimate the consumers needs should get a ****ing reality check. Seriously. You didn't for ONE second think this would **** with your network bandwidth provisioning at all???? And don't start with the bull**** of being "new" in the game. You've been providing internet connections to people for well over 3 years at least. Afrihost did a much better job than you, their bandwidth provisioning was sufficient, the only problem being billing/and/or clarity on the data logging/caps... seriously. WTF

[ambo]

It essentially boils down to being IPv6 capable and some routers on the internet not accepting the "advertising" of their routing.This is similar to the IPv6 thing but not actually the same. Since Screamer are being so forward thinking with a 4-byte ASN it would be interesting to hear if they have any IPv6 plans.

[saffakanera]

Service not as advertised, don't care what the price is, if it's barely usable then I don't want it. That together with their "It's the DNS server" solution to everything makes me think it's a half-baked company, just like the rest of the wireless providers



It's funny how you're suprised by the uptake of your service? You didn't for one second think that it would be popular at all? With your false advertised "unshaped" & uncapped for R399? Not at all?

Then, I'm afraid, you and the rest of these companies that under-estimate the consumers needs should get a ****ing reality check. Seriously. You didn't for ONE second think this would **** with your network bandwidth provisioning at all???? And don't start with the bull**** of being "new" in the game. You've been providing internet connections to people for well over 3 years at least. Afrihost did a much better job than you, their bandwidth provisioning was sufficient, the only problem being billing/and/or clarity on the data logging/caps... seriously. WTF

You are just angry that someone came up with a great idea to make profit and you cant be part of it, seriously dude, drop the wow cards and email bulk spam and get a job please.

It just seems like you are openly trying your hardest to discredit everyone else but yourself, stop clouding yourself in negativity man, its not healthy.

[Tinuva]

Service not as advertised, don't care what the price is, if it's barely usable then I don't want it. That together with their "It's the DNS server" solution to everything makes me think it's a half-baked company, just like the rest of the wireless providers



It's funny how you're suprised by the uptake of your service? You didn't for one second think that it would be popular at all? With your false advertised "unshaped" & uncapped for R399? Not at all?

Then, I'm afraid, you and the rest of these companies that under-estimate the consumers needs should get a ****ing reality check. Seriously. You didn't for ONE second think this would **** with your network bandwidth provisioning at all???? And don't start with the bull**** of being "new" in the game. You've been providing internet connections to people for well over 3 years at least. Afrihost did a much better job than you, their bandwidth provisioning was sufficient, the only problem being billing/and/or clarity on the data logging/caps... seriously. WTF
I don't use them at all, but I know the difference. There is a HUGE difference between reselling accounts (Afrihost) and running your own network and selling your own accounts (Screamer).

And you complain and call Afrihost better? Afrihost don't even have to provision bandwidth, they just resell it, the provision was up to Internet Solutions, who actually have more than enough.

Give them time, if they can't fix their problems after 3 months (which even UUnet couldn't do with their uncapped) then yes call them bad.

I for one will watch them closely, for very different reasons but mostly to see whether they will be able to succeed, and thats only because I know how close to impossible it is to do what they are doing, as I am still surprised at their price...

[cda]

You are just angry that someone came up with a great idea to make profit and you cant be part of it, seriously dude, drop the wow cards and email bulk spam and get a job please.

Ok I'm done trying to give people the truth.

Go ahead, pay Screamer money, see if I care. You'll regret it, but good luck. Don't expect sympathy when it all crashes down and you're out of pocket.

[cda]

Give them time, if they can't fix their problems after 3 months (which even UUnet couldn't do with their uncapped) then yes call them bad.

You (and everyone else defending them with this stupid "teething problem" excuse) are sorely missing the point.

These are the same excuses (read: not "problems") that Screamer customers have been receiving for months.

Nevermind 3 months, I've been with them for 6 months. Their support still sucks and they still come up with ridiculous excuses for technical ineptitude, and randomly break their network during business hours.

If you don't want to listen to that, then well that's your problem. I still think it's indefensible to say that people should pay them money for 3 months in the hope that they fix their problems.

I'm sure everyone here would be far less accepting if Telkom released a service and it was completely broken from day one.

Stop putting up with crap service, and South Africa might start getting some good service!

[saffakanera]

Ok I'm done trying to give people the truth.

Go ahead, pay Screamer money, see if I care. You'll regret it, but good luck. Don't expect sympathy when it all crashes down and you're out of pocket.

Bottom Line: Even if they burn their fkn servers to the ground and have got a 56k pipe left ill still be paying R230 for 10 gigs.

[saffakanera]

You (and everyone else defending them with this stupid "teething problem" excuse) are sorely missing the point.

These are the same excuses (read: not "problems") that Screamer customers have been receiving for months.

Nevermind 3 months, I've been with them for 6 months. Their support still sucks and they still come up with ridiculous excuses for technical ineptitude, and randomly break their network during business hours.

If you don't want to listen to that, then well that's your problem. I still think it's indefensible to say that people should pay them money for 3 months in the hope that they fix their problems.

I'm sure everyone here would be far less accepting if Telkom released a service and it was completely broken from day one.

Stop putting up with crap service, and South Africa might start getting some good service!

Dude its an ISP, not the Third Reich, relax.

[J0n0]

And once again a post turns into a brawl. What's wrong with you people? Geez. Lighten the **** up and if someone wants to try out something, let them.

[straatkat]

I would like to post my experience with Screamer. I sent them an email with my confirmation page as I did not have access to a fax yesterday morning, 10:27. I received my login details at 12:54 and was online 10 mins later.

To understand my thinking, here is some info about my usage: I mostly surf the net and download odds and end, the rest of the time, I grab sstuff from News servers. My Ipcop machine died a couple of weeks ago so I am back to manually switch between accounts. I used Afrihost (Int) and Axxess (local) as my two providers. Total bandwith cost was R487 (40 gb local and 3gb int)

Now, for my experience thus far with Screamer: The speed of loading pages seems fine. I did experience since switching to then two black outs of 5 mins each, both these times relates to the instances Howzit explained in the posts he has made.

I have my news reader open and it it is downloading from Astraweb and it fluctuates between 37 and 40.1kbps, which is what my old connection did as well.

Why did I switch? Firstly ease of use, I was tired of switching between accounts. Secondly, it is marginally more cost effective at current levels compared to my old cost structure. (Now, R400 and R80 for the news server)

I have a limited budget I can spend on internet, so the 384 line is the best I can do for now.

For me this service rocks thus far. No complaints, my news servers are rocking in the background on another machine and I have a reasonable surfing experience on my main machine.


I am not amazed at all at the over run of users...there are truly no way to predict how many users will join. As one of the first time users, I can't complain, yeah they will have teething, but so would every one else when you launch. Maybe Afrihost had a better start, but they had an advantage, they had time in hand. Screamer rollled I think as soon as the Chillies rolled, and lets just say this, they soft launched...their service is not even up yet...

Will I jump ship for cheaper? I dont know. I was with Axxess for 3 years, loved them, awesome people, I moved to Afrihost because I just bought an house and I had to make cuts in my spending. I also scaled back my downloading to fit within my new budget. With this offering, the sackles is gone as for amount of data I can burn and the cost is little less than my previous budget allowance. All wins in my case...

[VJB 449]

Ok I'm done trying to give people the truth.

Go ahead, pay Screamer money, see if I care. You'll regret it, but good luck. Don't expect sympathy when it all crashes down and you're out of pocket.

Why do you still keep using them? You are attacking them vehemently at every opportunity but still keep using their product. What's your agenda?

[J0n0]

You (and everyone else defending them with this stupid "teething problem" excuse) are sorely missing the point.

These are the same excuses (read: not "problems") that Screamer customers have been receiving for months.

Nevermind 3 months, I've been with them for 6 months. Their support still sucks and they still come up with ridiculous excuses for technical ineptitude, and randomly break their network during business hours.Stop putting up with crap service, and South Africa might start getting some good service!

If they are so horrible, why are you still using them? Stop putting up with crap then and move along? :rolleyes:

[kilos]

Dude its an ISP, not the Third Reich, relax.

LOL

[Blaze786]

Must admit I am not happy with the service I recieved thus far. But cda like the 2 above say if you are not happy "vote with your feet", "put your money where your mouth is", etc...

[cda]

Why do you still keep using them?

Because I don't have a choice? My options were Vodacom 3G or Screamer.

Just because I have to use something doesn't mean I like it.

And as I said before, I have an order for ADSL.

[Super78]

Must admit I am not happy with the service I recieved thus far. But cda like the 2 above say if you are not happy "vote with your feet", "put your money where your mouth is", etc...

What problem are you having with them?
Speed?
lack of support?

[Terrabiticfossilite]

Oh goody - another one to fall to Telkom's clutches lol... if you think Screamer Wimax is bad lol...

[doodsangel]

Oh goody - another one to fall to Telkom's clutches lol... if you think Screamer Wimax is bad lol...

+1

[Blaze786]

Oh goody - another one to fall to Telkom's clutches lol... if you think Screamer Wimax is bad lol...

I have had ADSL for about 2 years it has been down once?

[Blaze786]

What problem are you having with them?
Speed?
lack of support?

Speed issues and issues caused by the nating...

[dept of]

This is similar to the IPv6 thing but not actually the same. Since Screamer are being so forward thinking with a 4-byte ASN it would be interesting to hear if they have any IPv6 plans.

Would definitely solve the NATing issue

[Super78]

Speed issues and issues caused by the nating...

well according to howsit the Nating prob should be sorted out by next week sometime

just hang in there for a while see what happens

[Maestr0]

I'm giving Screamer a pass for now and getting myself an Axxess Express + account.

[sallyspencer]

Hi

I think it is time for an update now that we have broken the back of all the questions on this thread and sent via e-mail,etc.

The uptake has been tremendous as we all expected and because we did not want to disappoint any of the initial applicants everyone was issued with a login. As a result of the massive surge there was some performance degradation on the initial bandwidth last night and we are increasing the bandwidth provisioning today so there might be a few disconnects for short periods while this is being done.

We are adamant that we will not turn anyone away so as the demand increases we will make sure that there is sufficient bandwidth for all our new clients. We expect that the initial demand will start decreasing after the weekend and by then we will have a very good idea of what the total demand on the bandwidth will be and the odd disconnect that will happen this week will virtually disappear.

Because there has not been an accross the board launch like this before we had no historical data to rely on and so we are learning just how badly the SA consumer has been starved of bandwidth as we go along.

We thank you for your feedback as this will only help us make the service better for you.

thanks so much for taking the time to let us know what is going on.......and it will take Screamer ADSL blowing up and being tossed into the misty blue yonder for me to give up on you guys......

I am in this for the loooooooooooooooong haul good and bad doesn't matter...it is all part of life......:D:D:D

[Tjoker]

Screamer just had an ad on 5fm.......

[J0n0]

I just heard the add on 5FM. lol. I hope they get better. Could one use Afrihost and this account?

[Super78]

I just heard the add on 5FM. lol. I hope they get better. Could one use Afrihost and this account?

yip

[SurferChic]

Screamer just had an ad on 5fm.......

Just heard it too, also heard the one earlier this morning...

[J0n0]

thanks so much for taking the time to let us know what is going on.......and it will take Screamer ADSL blowing up and being tossed into the misty blue yonder for me to give up on you guys......

I am in this for the loooooooooooooooong haul good and bad doesn't matter...it is all part of life......:D:D:D

Ill sign up too...It's a lot better than my current R 450 for 2gb. For speed ill use Afrihost then. :)


yip

Thankie velie muchly. (Im a bit of a n00b concerning adsl. :o

[martin]

Why do you still keep using them? You are attacking them vehemently at every opportunity but still keep using their product. What's your agenda?

Sorry to derail but have you proofread your sig? I can't make sense of it :confused:

"iBurst you have change till the end of December to beat 384k uncapped @ R399 pm!"

[AllBrain]

Canceled my 384kbps unlimited this morning. I just cannot live with not having a public IP. The performance also was horrible but that might just have been from the initial rush. I wish Screamer all the best with this new service.

[J0n0]

Sorry to derail but have you proofread your sig? I can't make sense of it :confused:

"iBurst you have change till the end of December to beat 384k uncapped @ R399 pm!"


I think he's trying to tell iBurst they have chance till end December to offer him the same price or less before he jumps ship? :confused:

[saffakanera]

Canceled my 384kbps unlimited this morning. I just cannot live with not having a public IP. The performance also was horrible but that might just have been from the initial rush. I wish Screamer all the best with this new service.

Dude its going to be fixed by next week! Cmon!

[AllBrain]

Cool saffakanera but in the meantime I have to pay for something I cannot use. No thanks.

[Robocop]

And as I said before, I have an order for ADSL.
When you get your ADSL check out this kick **s offer from Screamer.
Only R399p/m UNCAPPED.

[Eveza]

I say let us support anyone that is willing to take a giant leap like this to move affordable connectivity to the next level. This is vital in the bigger sceam of things. Constructive critisism is great and I am sure Screamer appreciates it all in order to improve their service. Being rude and nasty though is an indication of a small and insecure mind (discretely looking in the direction of CDA) and does not have any positive role to play. One will very seldom get a positive reaction on a negative action -Confucius 821 BC

[cda]

When you get your ADSL check out this kick **s offer from Screamer.
Only R399p/m UNCAPPED.

I think I'll pass :)

Besides, I'll keep my WiMAX connection to them (Already paid for the equipment) and keep it as redundancy.


Constructive critisism is great and I am sure Screamer appreciates it all in order to improve their service. Being rude and nasty though is an indication of a small and insecure mind (discretely looking in the direction of CDA) and does not have any positive role to play.

I'm telling them exactly what I'm unhappy about and exactly what to do about it. Doesn't get much more constructive than that as far as I'm concerned.

[Blaze786]

Canceled my 384kbps unlimited this morning. I just cannot live with not having a public IP. The performance also was horrible but that might just have been from the initial rush. I wish Screamer all the best with this new service.

How did you do it? Where you still charged? Because I to am not at all happy...

[AllBrain]

I sent them an e-mail last night asking them to cancel my account and they confirmed it this morning via e-mail. I did receive an invoice yesterday but have not been charged yet.

I fully understand the issues they have now and I am not pointing fingers at anyone. However I need a public IP and that was my deal breaker.

[Smokey_sa]

I think we all agree that the start of screamer was not the smoothest. But what did you expect?

Anyone using a PC should be used to that whether it is a new game, software or internet line we all are used to a rough start and appreciate the effort that is put into trying something new.

I also think we should be grateful that someone has had the courage to start something new and point in the right direction.

Let's be patient it's only been a day and up to now nothing really serious has happened that was expected.

Go Screamer show us that you deserve the trust and that it's possible to tackle this market...

[SurferChic]

I sent them an e-mail last night asking them to cancel my account and they confirmed it this morning via e-mail. I did receive an invoice yesterday but have not been charged yet.

I fully understand the issues they have now and I am not pointing fingers at anyone. However I need a public IP and that was my deal breaker.

I also enquired about the public IP's and apparently it will be available early next week

[AllBrain]

I also enquired about the public IP's and apparently it will be available early next week

Well in that case I will give them a try next month. :)

[Lino]

Since I start my new job in January. I will see what my options are for 384K line in January. Until next year I will stick with Afrihost as they pulled through when their were issues.

[Super78]

Well in that case I will give them a try next month. :)

I'm also going to do that

[Blaze786]

Well in that case I will give them a try next month. :)

Please can you pm me all the details. The email address you mailed, etc.

[Gothan]

I also think I'm going to stay with them for a month or so, see how it pans out. My astraweb news server connection is flying so I am happy. And if they disappoint then I'll move on.

I started my adsl surfing in 2005 with nukecap (before the dreaded red october of 2005), and they also struggled in the beginning, the same with openweb.

So I'll check uhm out, and then form an opinion after a month or so

[VJB 449]

I think he's trying to tell iBurst they have chance till end December to offer him the same price or less before he jumps ship? :confused:

Spot on. iBurst CEO and rep will understand.

[Gothan]

Spot on. iBurst CEO and rep will understand.

Uhm should it not be chance?

[VJB 449]

Uhm should it not be chance?

Yes :o

[Gothan]

Sorry mate, its not often that I get the chance to correct someone's spelling (as I am usually the one with the 'orrible spelling), so had to grab the opportunity

[Playoff]

I think I'll pass :)

Besides, I'll keep my WiMAX connection to them (Already paid for the equipment) and keep it as redundancy..

I think the Screamer tech team got a little excited thinking you were going to go try make some other ISP miserable for a while


I'm telling them exactly what I'm unhappy about and exactly what to do about it. Doesn't get much more constructive than that as far as I'm concerned.

Yes people, and he has posted his unhappy little opinion 35 times!! on the Screamer threads in the last 2 days. What a loser


Really Playoff, you're not doing them any favours by irritating me. . Doesn't this just smack of arrogance. He keeps trying to compare ISP's to his UK experience. Why don't you just go back there and make SA a happier place


As for trolling, damn right I am because Screamer should have dealt with my complaints!. For those of you who have come accross one of this miserable little man's 35 Screamer posts in the last 2 days this is the real reason he is trying to stop you using Screamer. For his own selfish retaliation. Ignore him and hopefully he will try and find someone else to make unhappy.

[daffy]

I think the Screamer tech team got a little excited thinking you were going to go try make some other ISP miserable for a while



Yes people, and he has posted his unhappy little opinion 35 times!! on the Screamer threads in the last 2 days. What a loser

Doesn't this just smack of arrogance. He keeps trying to compare ISP's to his UK experience. Why don't you just go back there and make SA a happier place

For those of you who have come accross one of this miserable little man's 35 Screamer posts in the last 2 days this is the real reason he is trying to stop you using Screamer. For his own selfish retaliation. Ignore him and hopefully he will try and find someone else to make unhappy.

Congrats Playoff... Once again, attack the poster, instead of debating the merits of his argument.

[Tinuva]

Congrats Playoff... Once again, attack the poster, instead of debating the merits of his argument.

Sometimes you just have to realize, people argue just because they want to argue regardless of whether you have good or bad points, or whether you are right and they are wrong.

Thing is, the screamer network looked good from what I saw (not much just one traceroute but I can tell from looking at it) and I don't even have an account + work at another ISP.

Perhaps I need to test them myself to really know, but I am sure cba's biggest problem is the wireless part and not really the ISP. They can have the best or worst support, if the wireless part is not up to part thats that. Question is, which area does he live in, how far is his wireless going before it moves into a physical connection ect. There is much more to that story than just the ISP and the ISP's call centre.

[cda]

Congrats Playoff... Once again, attack the poster, instead of debating the merits of his argument.

Nevermind the fact that I've been to the UK like once in my entire life. Really if you're going to attack someone at least try and be relevant. Call me fat or something.

Personal diatribe (especially when it's ludicrously inaccurate) makes you look like an uninformed idiot Playoff. Your rambling is pointless.

[cda]

Perhaps I need to test them myself to really know, but I am sure cba's biggest problem is the wireless part and not really the ISP.

As I said elsewhere, the wireless part is pretty much the only part which does work. I'm perfectly capable of diagnosing where problems happen.

The issues are (as I've pointed out, it might have been lost in Playoff's vulgar rambling and misquotation):

1) Support is dishonest, rude and lacks technical clue
2) The PE/upstream and core are a total mess, and that's where 90% of the issues occur.

[Playoff]

Congrats Playoff... Once again, attack the poster, instead of debating the merits of his argument.

I debated them when he made his first post. I, and the rest of the forum trying to wade through 45 pages on this thread, don't want to continually read his whining.

[Tjoker]

Nevermind the fact that I've been to the UK like once in my entire life. Really if you're going to attack someone at least try and be relevant. Call me fat or something.

Personal diatribe (especially when it's ludicrously inaccurate) makes you look like an uninformed idiot Playoff. Your rambling is pointless.

you suffer from incurable disease called oral diarrhea(in this case typing diarrhea). Please stop with your screamer comments. You don't like what they offer, we GET the picture. Rambling on and on ..... who does that remind you of? Julies Melema........and we know how the general public feels about him

I beg you, please stop with comments and leave it to the people who finds this offer interesting

[Tinuva]

As I said elsewhere, the wireless part is pretty much the only part which does work. I'm perfectly capable of diagnosing where problems happen.

The issues are (as I've pointed out, it might have been lost in Playoff's vulgar rambling and misquotation):

1) Support is dishonest, rude and lacks technical clue
2) The PE/upstream and core are a total mess, and that's where 90% of the issues occur.
Fair enough.

1. I will be surprised the day I call a support center and speak to someone that actually know anything. Generally they are there to help you, log the calls to a higher level support agent or even NOC. Also usually it help if the person calling them are nice and give them respect, which in turn mean they usually return the same level of respect to you.

2. Ok so a specific area has a problem, that makes sense, so not the whole ISP is to blame, but a specific part of their network. This is what I call a trend, good isps will pick up on it and get to resolve it. Perhaps here you have a point and something must have been done long ago to fix it.

[Eveza]

Please Julius... I mean CDA, I think everybody has a very clear understanding of the message you are trying to get over through your 500 posts. For Pete sake, quite now! I am at a point where I am willing to pay Telkom a bribe to have your ADSL installed sooner so that you can stop whining about the same topic on a thread that is about more than you.

[Tjoker]

I am willing to pay Telkom a bribe to have your ADSL installed sooner so that you can stop whining about the same topic on a thread that is about more than you.

LOL....:D:D:D:Dnow that is funny:D:D:D

[saa044]

They are gonna do a wimax / wireless test tomorrow. Only thing that scares me is that the sales rep tells me their wimax is 5.8. Hope for a nice smooth line from screamer. :)

[saa044]

Such a pity that we get so excited about 384 / 512 uncapped. The european countries must be laughing at us if they see this. :p

[Super78]

Such a pity that we get so excited about 384 / 512 uncapped. The european countries must be laughing at us if they see this. :p

lol +10000000

[saa044]

Hopefully a screamer rep can awnser this before they do my signal test tomorrow. I am looking at the 384 uncapped wireless / wimax option. My biggest concern here is that I will get 384 at best and get something like 128kbps most of the time. Can you guys guarentee 384kbps speeds 24/7?

[howzit]

Hi

Please note that we will be doing a scheduled disconnect for 5mins at 16h00.

[cda]

Hi

Please note that we will be doing a scheduled disconnect for 5mins at 16h00.

That was just posted and deleted by Playoff.

You are the same person. Does your boss know you talk to customers the way yo do here?

[Tjoker]

That was just posted and deleted by Playoff.

You are the same person. Does your boss know you talk to customers the way yo do here?

Julies......i will come burn your house DOWN!! No ADSL for you anymore,hence no complaining from you EVER again

[saa044]

That was just posted and deleted by Playoff.

You are the same person. Does your boss know you talk to customers the way yo do here?

Dude please get off of your high horse. We get it. www.hellopeter.com They might give a flying crap.

[Terrabiticfossilite]

Guys, please don't take it further - those who are irritated with CDA just let him post his opinion and ignore him... CDA, ignore those having a go. This thread will be closed down if it keeps going south and I many of us will be annoyed as a result.

[cda]

Guys, please don't take it further - those who are irritated with CDA just let him post his opinion and ignore him... CDA, ignore those having a go.

I'm ignoring all but the one who works for Screamer.

[allies]

I just heard the add on 5FM. lol. I hope they get better. Could one use Afrihost and this account?

Lol, I heard the ad - ran to the computer to see what MyBB had to say about it...

[J0n0]

Lol, I heard the ad - ran to the computer to see what MyBB had to say about it...

Some poo's making a stink as usual and turning a normal post into a tiffy day frenzy. :( It's the norm on MyBB it seems though. Thank goodness for the ignore button. :)

[SA_Oak]

For those that want to be jealous, see this offer from an ISP in Germany:

For Eur40 including line rental you get this:

A 50.000 KB/S DSL line
Free national calls to any landline
10 Free phone numbers
1 domain
50 email addresses

We still have a long way to go :D :D :D :D

[saffakanera]

I'm ignoring all but the one who works for Screamer.

Then PM HIM you running fap!

[Kawak]

Screamer Rep

Please can I get an answer now about Wimax, I want to get on the wimax unlimited 384 and want to pay the once off rental fee, all I need to know is why I can't own the thing after that, and if you guys still own it, why must I pay for any damages to that equipment.

This is my SECOND post after a telephone call and a message on your websites.

[howzit]

Hi Kawak

Unfortunately we don't or can't sell the CPE's (same as Telkom WiMAX). I dont know the answer why only that it cannot or is not sold. More importantly if it goes faulty or gets damaged Screamer fixes it for nothing.


Screamer Rep

Please can I get an answer now about Wimax, I want to get on the wimax unlimited 384 and want to pay the once off rental fee, all I need to know is why I can't own the thing after that, and if you guys still own it, why must I pay for any damages to that equipment.

This is my SECOND post after a telephone call and a message on your websites.

[Gothan]

Hi Howzit, I have a question

My main problem currently is that i cannot access my one mail pop server. Pop.eastcoast.co.za.

When you tracert scribe.eastcoast.co.za, you get timeouts almost instantaneously, does this have something to do with your current issues or what?

[Gate keeper]

Awesome deals !

[LancelotSA]

This has been aked a few times on here but I have not found the answers.

News Servers! I currently use the SAIX news server and am happy with it. With these accounts am I correct in assuming the SAIX NS will not work? They say they use a blend of SAIX and Seacom.

Obviously it has been pointed out that with uncapped you can then use Giganews etc but am I correct in again assuming that this would cost you? So this would be a cost I would need to factor in or are there free, reliable news servers out there?

[howzit]

I am afraid that I don't know because some sites because some SP's that provide news servers do not allow other SP's networks access to them. Maybe one of our clients can answer this for you.


This has been aked a few times on here but I have not found the answers.

News Servers! I currently use the SAIX news server and am happy with it. With these accounts am I correct in assuming the SAIX NS will not work? They say they use a blend of SAIX and Seacom.

Obviously it has been pointed out that with uncapped you can then use Giganews etc but am I correct in again assuming that this would cost you? So this would be a cost I would need to factor in or are there free, reliable news servers out there?

[matt loves telkom]

43000 + views..... no matter which way you look at it this is an AWESOME step forward for SA broadband.yay

[LancelotSA]

Hmmm.... just read AcidRazors thread.... not impressed anymore

[Garyvdh]

This has been aked a few times on here but I have not found the answers.

News Servers! I currently use the SAIX news server and am happy with it. With these accounts am I correct in assuming the SAIX NS will not work? They say they use a blend of SAIX and Seacom.

Obviously it has been pointed out that with uncapped you can then use Giganews etc but am I correct in again assuming that this would cost you? So this would be a cost I would need to factor in or are there free, reliable news servers out there?

If you are going to get the Screamer uncapped, then just use an international news server! :D

[Borrels]

I am afraid that I don't know because some sites because some SP's that provide news servers do not allow other SP's networks access to them. Maybe one of our clients can answer this for you.
Nope, I could never get it working.

I expected to get connected to the SAIX news server every now and again but it never happened, even when Speedtest.net confirmed that I was connected through the saix backbone. Not sure if it should technically be possible though.

[xcon]

Nice

[LancelotSA]

If you are going to get the Screamer uncapped, then just use an international news server! :D

...as stated...


you can then use Giganews etc but am I correct in again assuming that this would cost you? So this would be a cost I would need to factor in or are there free, reliable news servers out there?