New Test Cricket Rule

[CrAzYLeGs69]

I think that the game is pathetic in the sense that the chasing team can if they see that they ain't gonna make it, decide to just block and play it safe.

And eventually let the game end in a draw. Boring, boring, boring.

What they should do is:

Force the chasing team to keep a run rate at or above the required run rate so that the "go for a draw" option is ruled out.
If the chasing team fails to do so, and have some wickets left at the end of the game, then the other team wins. Regardless if they failed to bowl out the entire opposing team.

That would make for a much more interesting game.

[Rosaudio]

Maybe D/L method after 90 overs are up

[Bizkit87]

I think that the game is pathetic in the sense that the chasing team can if they see that they ain't gonna make it, decide to just block and play it safe.

And eventually let the game end in a draw. Boring, boring, boring.

What they should do is:

Force the chasing team to keep a run rate at or above the required run rate so that the "go for a draw" option is ruled out.
If the chasing team fails to do so, and have some wickets left at the end of the game, then the other team wins. Regardless if they failed to bowl out the entire opposing team.

That would make for a much more interesting game.

:cry::cry::cry::cry::wtf:

OR just stick to watching PRO20's .... leave test cricket for the people who like test cricket, we'll watch it as boring as it is...

Trying to survive 80 overs on dying wicket on day 5 in scorching heat, DOESN'T nearly require as much talent/concentration as seeing how far you can hit the ball [There REALLY needs to be a 'sarcasm' font]

[Luke7777]

Then you're going to get teams that bat till lunch on day5, leaving the chasing team 18 per over to win. Not going to work I think :)

[DylanHaskin]

Or I know, they could make a new type of cricket where they only have 50 overs, and field restrictions! And you only play for 1 day! I'm a genius!! + 1 on your "sarcasm" font

[cr@zydude]

NO NO NO, test cricket is just fine. Fighting for a draw is an amazing part of a game. Being 50/4 on the morning a 5th day with 450 as a target, the only goal is survival. And surviving is damn hard on some wickets.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I think that the game is pathetic in the sense that the chasing team can if they see that they ain't gonna make it, decide to just block and play it safe.

And eventually let the game end in a draw. Boring, boring, boring.

What they should do is:

Force the chasing team to keep a run rate at or above the required run rate so that the "go for a draw" option is ruled out.
If the chasing team fails to do so, and have some wickets left at the end of the game, then the other team wins. Regardless if they failed to bowl out the entire opposing team.

That would make for a much more interesting game.

like i said in the other thread, I'd go mad standing there for an entire day scoring 2 an over

goes to show the concentration the defending team has, team A declared when they thought they would have enough time to bowl team B out, therefore if you miss judged, thats your problem

[Madman88]

The problem is this.

Just because test cricket and one day games share the same mechanics, people think its the same game with different durations... Not so!

Theyre two totally different games!

[dequadin]

The problem is this.

Just because test cricket and one day games share the same mechanics, people think its the same game with different durations... Not so!

Theyre two totally different games!
There's the answer right there!



This shyte's chess it aint checkers.

[AMG133]

Nope nothing wrong with the game, it just shows the lack of fight in our guys, they not even trying. Its pathetic really.

[undesign]

The problem is this.

Just because test cricket and one day games share the same mechanics, people think its the same game with different durations... Not so!

Theyre two totally different games!

+1

We've had amazing test cricket in the last two years. Stuff you could never replicate with 20 or 50 over cricket.

[milomak]

why do people hate draws so much?

[Bizkit87]

why do people hate draws so much?

yet 60% [thumbsuck] of soccer games end in draws, and people call it good games.

[CrAzYLeGs69]

why do people hate draws so much?

because a the real victor isn't decided, and that's why rugby will remain the most exciting game of all time.

No comment.

[LancelotSA]

So should we maybe delete this thread to avoid further embarrassment to the OP after the "boring" game we have just witnessed?

[Vercogen]

:cry::cry::cry::cry::wtf:

OR just stick to watching PRO20's .... leave test cricket for the people who like test cricket, we'll watch it as boring as it is...

Trying to survive 80 overs on dying wicket on day 5 in scorching heat, DOESN'T nearly require as much talent/concentration as seeing how far you can hit the ball [There REALLY needs to be a 'sarcasm' font]

+1

Couldn't agree more!


So should we maybe delete this thread to avoid further embarrassment to the OP after the "boring" game we have just witnessed?

LOL, exactly it was a nail biter till the end.

[hoegh]

i can not imagine anyone thinking that the game last night wasn't exciting, 5 days of cricket coming down to the last couple of overs, epic stuff!

[milomak]

because a the real victor isn't decided, and that's why rugby will remain the most exciting game of all time.

No comment.


so are you disregarding all those rugby that have ended in draws as never having happened? in my time i've even witnessed a nil all draw.

[ajax]

:cry::cry::cry::cry::wtf:

OR just stick to watching PRO20's .... leave test cricket for the people who like test cricket, we'll watch it as boring as it is...

Trying to survive 80 overs on dying wicket on day 5 in scorching heat, DOESN'T nearly require as much talent/concentration as seeing how far you can hit the ball [There REALLY needs to be a 'sarcasm' font]

+1

[Kabraal]

About the only rule I know of which the ICC is considering too force more results is to take away the captains options wrt pitch rollers in between innings. That’s a rule I can live with. The one in the OP…is ehhh insane…

[OzzieCapie]

Gee what a silly suggestion.

Test cricket requires you to take 20 wickets in order to win (not counting declarations)...doesn't matter how much you score.

And that's SA's problem right there.

[Nerfherder]

They should give the team with the most wickets the win, if its the same or less then its a draw. IE yesterday we decleared with 3 wickets left and they finnished with 9 left. This will also encorage teams to declear earlier.

For those of you that complain that we should not mess with the format, did you know that they used to not have a time restriction ? The longest game ended up being 2 weeks ! (also SA vs England)

[Kabraal]

They should give the team with the most wickets the win, if its the same or less then its a draw. IE yesterday we decleared with 3 wickets left and they finnished with 9 left. This will also encorage teams to declear earlier.

For those of you that complain that we should not mess with the format, did you know that they used to not have a time restriction ? The longest game ended up being 2 weeks ! (also SA vs England)
No

[timgaul]

About the only rule I know of which the ICC is considering too force more results is to take away the captains options wrt pitch rollers in between innings. That’s a rule I can live with. The one in the OP…is ehhh insane…

Whereas I don't agree with the OP, I agree with his sentiment. Something needs to be done to broaden the appeal of test cricket. Newlands was the only ground where it was economically viable to host a match this season. We don't want to see test cricket change, but we also don't want to see it die due to lack of support.

[LancelotSA]

For those of you that complain that we should not mess with the format, did you know that they used to not have a time restriction ? The longest game ended up being 2 weeks ! (also SA vs England)

You failed to mention that even that game ended in a draw. A result was not achieved by the time England had to get on the boat for the trip home...

[phiber]

I think that the game is pathetic in the sense that the chasing team can if they see that they ain't gonna make it, decide to just block and play it safe.

And eventually let the game end in a draw. Boring, boring, boring.

What they should do is:

Force the chasing team to keep a run rate at or above the required run rate so that the "go for a draw" option is ruled out.
If the chasing team fails to do so, and have some wickets left at the end of the game, then the other team wins. Regardless if they failed to bowl out the entire opposing team.

That would make for a much more interesting game.

This makes the game unfair. If you are bored watching the game switch off your TV. The fact that the game was so close and could have been won on the last ball makes it one of the most exciting test matches ever. I guess u one of those kiddies that love watch 20/20 cricket. it is KILLING the pure form of the game (test cricket). They will never change test cricket to be like that. This is the way cricket has been played since it was invented! (Actually i think it was unlimited days initially :P)

[phiber]

They should give the team with the most wickets the win, if its the same or less then its a draw. IE yesterday we decleared with 3 wickets left and they finnished with 9 left. This will also encorage teams to declear earlier.
(also SA vs England)

Test cricket is just that, a test. Which smith failed, he should have declared earlier (we know those damn aussies would have done it) set england a realistic total, something they could have maybe chased (350 or 370) and then they would have played more shots. The fact is if they add this rule they will kill test cricket.

Now one rule i think they can add is something to do with this ball tampering and digging in ur studs/fingernails.

[hoegh]

Whereas I don't agree with the OP, I agree with his sentiment. Something needs to be done to broaden the appeal of test cricket. Newlands was the only ground where it was economically viable to host a match this season. We don't want to see test cricket change, but we also don't want to see it die due to lack of support.

um... im fairly certain kingsmead was pretty packed as well, i was there on the first day and it was the best crowd i have seen in about the last 12 years, i think this series has been supported very well!

[timgaul]

um... im fairly certain kingsmead was pretty packed as well, i was there on the first day and it was the best crowd i have seen in about the last 12 years, i think this series has been supported very well!

Remember the time of year when the Kingsmead test was played?

I went to Centurion and other than the weekend it was pretty dismal. I'm guessing the Wanderers will also be fairly sad.

I was watching the Australia vs Pakistan game and I could hardly spot the spectators. So, regardless of how much you need to appreciate a sport if it becomes economically viable (and thanks to limited overs and T20 test cricket can still be played) to ensure a permanent spot in the calendar.

[Hogrod]

Good grief, OP it's test cricket not pro20.

[alf101]

I think that the game is pathetic in the sense that the chasing team can if they see that they ain't gonna make it, decide to just block and play it safe.

And eventually let the game end in a draw. Boring, boring, boring.

What they should do is:

Force the chasing team to keep a run rate at or above the required run rate so that the "go for a draw" option is ruled out.
If the chasing team fails to do so, and have some wickets left at the end of the game, then the other team wins. Regardless if they failed to bowl out the entire opposing team.

That would make for a much more interesting game.

That's just not cricket.

A draw is also a result, sometimes it's better than having a winner, a draw can also result in a series win.

Any 4 or 5 match series which gets decided on the last day of the series is more exciting and memorable than all the ODI's in history combined.

EG:
Ask the poms about Botham's ashes, or the bodyline series etc.

[OzzieCapie]

Test cricket has actually been more interesting than usual the last few years, but still you would only really be interested in parts of it where a team you like is involved. If Foxtel had Ind v SL, I'd tune in to see a certain passage/player and that's about it.



I was watching the Australia vs Pakistan game and I could hardly spot the spectators.

First day of the Sydney match was 30,000, not sure about other days.
Melbourne was 70,000 on first day...with a total over five days of 156,000 (about 21,000 average for next four days).

...and ticket prices in Aussie are very expensive compared to SA, pluis that was Pakistan , one of the weakest sides at present (or coming into series as one of weakest0...and one of least appealing to Aussies.

If it was an Ashes series, then you wouldn't be able to get tickets. MCG on Boxing Day would be 80,000 plus.

At Newlands, I heard the commentator saying that the crowds were of order of 16,000 per day.

Now this is SA vs Eng. How is this so poorly supported?

When you talk to people in SA then everybody has an opinion on the test team and the series (just like they do with Rugby). Everybody supports SA or talks about the game etc.
Now, given the reasonable prices, and the less sterile nature* of the stadiums there, how coem everybody talks cricket, but very few go to game??

*btw...at SCG these days you are basically only there to sit in your seat and watch cricket...they will sell you booze and just about when your money runs out they will determine that "you have had enough" and eject you...as if all that booze they sold you wasn't going to make you drunk in the sun?
In otherwords...despite it being a boring day all round by all respects other than the cricket, there seems to be enough people interested.

But why would you bother...if you can see it on TV and you can't have any atmosphere at the ground?

[timgaul]

Test cricket has actually been more interesting than usual the last few years, but still you would only really be interested in parts of it where a team you like is involved. If Foxtel had Ind v SL, I'd tune in to see a certain passage/player and that's about it.



First day of the Sydney match was 30,000, not sure about other days.
Melbourne was 70,000 on first day...with a total over five days of 156,000 (about 21,000 average for next four days).

...and ticket prices in Aussie are very expensive compared to SA, pluis that was Pakistan , one of the weakest sides at present (or coming into series as one of weakest0...and one of least appealing to Aussies.

If it was an Ashes series, then you wouldn't be able to get tickets. MCG on Boxing Day would be 80,000 plus.

At Newlands, I heard the commentator saying that the crowds were of order of 16,000 per day.

Now this is SA vs Eng. How is this so poorly supported?

When you talk to people in SA then everybody has an opinion on the test team and the series (just like they do with Rugby). Everybody supports SA or talks about the game etc.
Now, given the reasonable prices, and the less sterile nature* of the stadiums there, how coem everybody talks cricket, but very few go to game??

*btw...at SCG these days you are basically only there to sit in your seat and watch cricket...they will sell you booze and just about when your money runs out they will determine that "you have had enough" and eject you...as if all that booze they sold you wasn't going to make you drunk in the sun?
In otherwords...despite it being a boring day all round by all respects other than the cricket, there seems to be enough people interested.

But why would you bother...if you can see it on TV and you can't have any atmosphere at the ground?

The Ashes is probably the only real money maker in test cricket. Lucky for ODIs and T20s to keep the stadia afloat, eh? Also, unfortunately not every day of the year is boxing day.

You also failed to read where I pointed out that Newlands is the only stadium to actually draw the crowds on all 5 days, now didn't you?

The Wanderers will be a good litmus test. No more holiday, same tournament. Let's see what happens then.

[cr@zydude]

Test cricket has actually been more interesting than usual the last few years, but still you would only really be interested in parts of it where a team you like is involved. If Foxtel had Ind v SL, I'd tune in to see a certain passage/player and that's about it.



First day of the Sydney match was 30,000, not sure about other days.
Melbourne was 70,000 on first day...with a total over five days of 156,000 (about 21,000 average for next four days).

...and ticket prices in Aussie are very expensive compared to SA, pluis that was Pakistan , one of the weakest sides at present (or coming into series as one of weakest0...and one of least appealing to Aussies.

If it was an Ashes series, then you wouldn't be able to get tickets. MCG on Boxing Day would be 80,000 plus.

At Newlands, I heard the commentator saying that the crowds were of order of 16,000 per day.

Now this is SA vs Eng. How is this so poorly supported?

When you talk to people in SA then everybody has an opinion on the test team and the series (just like they do with Rugby). Everybody supports SA or talks about the game etc.
Now, given the reasonable prices, and the less sterile nature* of the stadiums there, how coem everybody talks cricket, but very few go to game??


The game at Newlands wasn't badly supported, our grounds are just smaller than those in India and Aus. Newlands has a about 20 000 seats, and teh first 3 days sold out before the test started.

[stefan9]

Test cricket is just that, a test. Which smith failed, he should have declared earlier (we know those damn aussies would have done it) set england a realistic total, something they could have maybe chased (350 or 370) and then they would have played more shots. The fact is if they add this rule they will kill test cricket.

Now one rule i think they can add is something to do with this ball tampering and digging in ur studs/fingernails.

Smith declaration was fine. england had enough time to win if they played very well. They never went for it which is their nature. Australia would have gone for that target that he set. It was similar to what ponting set SA in perth.


Remember the time of year when the Kingsmead test was played?

I went to Centurion and other than the weekend it was pretty dismal. I'm guessing the Wanderers will also be fairly sad.

I was watching the Australia vs Pakistan game and I could hardly spot the spectators. So, regardless of how much you need to appreciate a sport if it becomes economically viable (and thanks to limited overs and T20 test cricket can still be played) to ensure a permanent spot in the calendar.

T20 and odi cricket has funded test cricket for a long time now. Issue is really quite simple its pretty uncomfortable in the sun on uncomfortable seats for 7 hours then add in the over priced food and drinks plus the trouble with parking space and you realise its just more fun and economical at home. Only places that get decent crowds are aus and england for test cricket.

The crowds at odi cricket has also been going down due the impact of t20. T20 is the perfect format for a day out.

Test cricket is still my favorite format but I will watch it at home on my comfortable couch with air conditioning. T20 I will watch live.

[timgaul]

Smith declaration was fine. england had enough time to win if they played very well. They never went for it which is their nature. Australia would have gone for that target that he set. It was similar to what ponting set SA in perth.

T20 and odi cricket has funded test cricket for a long time now. Issue is really quite simple its pretty uncomfortable in the sun on uncomfortable seats for 7 hours then add in the over priced food and drinks plus the trouble with parking space and you realise its just more fun and economical at home. Only places that get decent crowds are aus and england for test cricket.

The crowds at odi cricket has also been going down due the impact of t20. T20 is the perfect format for a day out.

Test cricket is still my favorite format but I will watch it at home on my comfortable couch with air conditioning. T20 I will watch live.

I think that's a good way to put it!

[OzzieCapie]

You also failed to read where I pointed out that Newlands is the only stadium to actually draw the crowds on all 5 days, now didn't you?

No I didn't fail to read it...I read it and in fact commented on it....but it (the actual numbers) means a differnt thing to me in terms of support.
Why do you assume I took issue with you on that...and with such antagonism too.

I just stated the case as it was in Australia, re your comment on the Pakistan game...and I compared the SA crowds in general vs SA's own hysterical support for cricket.

Can someone make a point that is somewhat parallel and slightly different...or even very...without someone else taking it as a personal dig??:erm:

[Morgoth]

I believe one day cricket has had its time, T20 and Test cricket is the way forward.... Odis just doesn't feel the same anymore

[timgaul]

No I didn't fail to read it...I read it and in fact commented on it....but it (the actual numbers) means a differnt thing to me in terms of support.
Why do you assume I took issue with you on that...and with such antagonism too.

I just stated the case as it was in Australia, re your comment on the Pakistan game...and I compared the SA crowds in general vs SA's own hysterical support for cricket.

Can someone make a point that is somewhat parallel and slightly different...or even very...without someone else taking it as a personal dig??:erm:

It's not that, its that you're trying to disagree by agreeing with me. Just thought I'd point out that logic doesn't work.

Now it would appear it is you that has taken a personal affront to my comments, perhaps you should just let it go?

[Devill]

why do people hate draws so much?

No idea. Test 1 and 3 of this series just went to show again how exciting a draw can be... Was nail biting till the last ball.

[Devill]

At Newlands, I heard the commentator saying that the crowds were of order of 16,000 per day.

Now this is SA vs Eng. How is this so poorly supported?


Lets say 1% of black people(40 million) and 20% of white (5 million) people support cricket in SA.

Thus 400 000 black people, and 100 000 white people. Now in SA we have an unemployment rate of 36% (or there about last time I looked) and our middle class can afford a whole lot less than countries like USA, Aus, Eng's middle class.

Now also remember we do not have a brilliant public transport system (very few people can go watch a test day in Joburg if they live north of PTA) and we also gravitate less towards our major cities atm than Aus, English, Americans (thus we are further away from the stadiums).

Now take all these factors into account and I am sure you will see that when SA has 16 000 a day we have a lot.

[timgaul]

No idea. Test 1 and 3 of this series just went to show again how exciting a draw can be... Was nail biting till the last ball.

I guess because the result doesn't necessarily reflect who was the better team on the day.

You can guess on a score of 35-34 how close and tough a rugby game was, you also know a score of 3-48 means the losing team sucked. In cricket it won't go down in the annals of history as South Africa out performing England in 3/4 tests, it'll just go down as South Africa lost the series, so the must have sucked.

[Morgoth]

I guess because the result doesn't necessarily reflect who was the better team on the day.

You can guess on a score of 35-34 how close and tough a rugby game was, you also know a score of 3-48 means the losing team sucked. In cricket it won't go down in the annals of history as South Africa out performing England in 3/4 tests, it'll just go down as South Africa lost the series, so the must have sucked.

isn't that the exact same with 4 rugby games end up with in 1 point of each other, leaving a 4-0 score?

[timgaul]

Lets say 1% of black people(40 million) and 20% of white (5 million) people support cricket in SA.

Thus 400 000 black people, and 100 000 white people. Now in SA we have an unemployment rate of 36% (or there about last time I looked) and our middle class can afford a whole lot less than countries like USA, Aus, Eng's middle class.

Now also remember we do not have a brilliant public transport system (very few people can go watch a test day in Joburg if they live north of PTA) and we also gravitate less towards our major cities atm than Aus, English, Americans (thus we are further away from the stadiums).

Now take all these factors into account and I am sure you will see that when SA has 16 000 a day we have a lot.

You can count on both hands and both feet and try to justify it - it just isn't going to be economically viable regardless of the result. These stadiums have to get their money from somewhere and these days its the ODIs and T20s.

[timgaul]

isn't that the exact same with 4 rugby games end up with in 1 point of each other, leaving a 4-0 score?

We'll have the scores of those 4 games and we'll know how close it was. However, in cricket is:

Test 1 Draw
Test 2 England win by Inn & 98 runs
Test 3 Draw
Test 4 Draw

No where can we fathom how well South Africa actually did. All we know is South Africa got thrashed in on of the games.

Rugby however:

44-45
6-38
15-12
8-8

Now the losing team loses the series, but we know it was extremely close and they did extremely well in all but one game.

5 days, no result? People just don't understand.

[Morgoth]

I am thinking more on the lines of a Rugby series like
44-45
22-23
12-15
8-9

An American Friend asked me once though about cricket, he cant understand how you play a game for 5 days and once all is said and done you still don't know who the victor is :D

its just the way it goes,

[Devill]

You can count on both hands and both feet and try to justify it - it just isn't going to be economically viable regardless of the result. These stadiums have to get their money from somewhere and these days its the ODIs and T20s.

They get enough from the TV rights and the sponsors to make this viable ;)


We'll have the scores of those 4 games and we'll know how close it was. However, in cricket is:

Test 1 Draw
Test 2 England win by Inn & 98 runs
Test 3 Draw
Test 4 Draw

No where can we fathom how well South Africa actually did. All we know is South Africa got thrashed in on of the games.

Rugby however:

44-45
6-38
15-12
8-8

Now the losing team loses the series, but we know it was extremely close and they did extremely well in all but one game.

5 days, no result? People just don't understand.

People should then watch another sport. Wow if golf is boring iyo why watch it are the "people" to retarded to find the one up chanel button? Seriously? If you like seeing fast slog filled games watch pro 20... but why try and make test cricket into pro 20?

I find Ballet very very boring. Lets give them all chainsaws and blindfold them and see some fun on stage :rolleyes:

[timgaul]

They get enough from the TV rights and the sponsors to make this viable ;)

People should then watch another sport. Wow if golf is boring iyo why watch it are the "people" to retarded to find the one up chanel button? Seriously? If you like seeing fast slog filled games watch pro 20... but why try and make test cricket into pro 20?

I find Ballet very very boring. Lets give them all chainsaws and blindfold them and see some fun on stage :rolleyes:

Well done Devill, you figured it out! You can rant and rave all you want about not understanding the game, or finding T20 more interesting, blah, blah. Point is cricket is a professional sport, professional sports require money, test cricket is not economically viable. If its not economically viable its future hangs in the balance. You cannot change that by calling people ignorant doo doo heads.

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

[undesign]

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

True and thank god for all of them then. :D Would be a pity if test cricket should disappear, especially after the great series' we've had in the last two years.

Grounds are largely empty, but I wonder what the TV viewing ratings are. My TV is on the cricket for most of the five days, and I actually sit and watch a substantial amount. Yet I don't feel inclined to sit at the stadium for a whole day.

[alf101]

Well done Devill, you figured it out! You can rant and rave all you want about not understanding the game, or finding T20 more interesting, blah, blah. Point is cricket is a professional sport, professional sports require money, test cricket is not economically viable. If its not economically viable its future hangs in the balance. You cannot change that by calling people ignorant doo doo heads.

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

You need a higher IQ to understand test cricket.

[timgaul]

You need a higher IQ to understand test cricket.

That's great, and I'm very happy for you. Unfortunately it's the accountants, with the presumably lower IQs (right?) who can end it all. So you can be a genius-level graduate and it will make bugger all difference if the world can't afford test cricket.

[alf101]

That's great, and I'm very happy for you. Unfortunately it's the accountants, with the presumably lower IQs (right?) who can end it all. So you can be a genius-level graduate and it will make bugger all difference if the world can't afford test cricket.

Well maybe if you worked / studied a bit harder you could afford it. :)

Yep, its sad that the numbers are dwindling. When I was a kid the WeePee vs Transvaal 1st class matches used to be sellouts.

It would be sad to see the whole 1st class game disappear, but in 20 years from now it'll probably be a memory.

[Devill]

Well done Devill, you figured it out! You can rant and rave all you want about not understanding the game, or finding T20 more interesting, blah, blah. Point is cricket is a professional sport, professional sports require money, test cricket is not economically viable. If its not economically viable its future hangs in the balance. You cannot change that by calling people ignorant doo doo heads.

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

timgaul if you would read my post again you see that I never mention that the T20 or ODIs are abomonations. There are enough Test cricket supporters around the world.

It might not be in anyway as profitable as T20s or ODIs but, timgaul, you fail to see my point.

I am saying if you do not like it there are two other formats of the same beloved game that you as a spaz can go watch timgaul.

I myself like to watch a T20 and ODI game, but then again I do not try and change them and moan about how they should be more like tests... Like one poster said it might share the same mechanics but it is in no way the same game.

Timgaul timgaul timgaul, please read this and see that other also feel the same way.


But no, I won’t miss it so long as there are pitches as spirit-crushingly lifeless as the one at Kanpur. India are 417 for 2 at stumps on the first day. Ninety overs of tedium. Three sessions of bat dominating ball, crushing bowlers’ will to live and bowl. This could be classed as entertainment, and I’m sure millions of Indians loved the sight of Gambhir and Sehwag flogging it willy-nilly to all parts. But I’m equally sure that a sizeable portion of them craved to watch the nuance of technical discipline and, well, competition.

There are lots of partly cynical, often highly plausible, reasons for the state of Test cricket being in its current apparently precarious position. Pitches are certainly a factor. And there’s one thought that the TV companies demand – sorry, politely request – that matches last as long as possible in order to drive up their revenues. This means one thing: a dead pitch, lots of batting, definitely plenty of fours, and a greater chance of the match being extended into five days.

But sooner or later, this greed for cash – by whom we’re not sure or at liberty to suggest – will come back to haunt them, because I sense a very strong sense of pissed-offness by fans these days who are no longer willing to be conned by these turgid concrete slabs which offer so little to the game, rendering captaincy and tactics almost redundant and leaving bowlers reaching for diazepam or a long piece of rope. Bowlers, fans – whatever.

http://www.cricket.mailliw.com/archives/2009/11/24/whither-test-cricket/

Again timgaul, I am not blind to the reality but also not blind to other's idiocy.

[timgaul]

Well maybe if you worked / studied a bit harder you could afford it. :)

Yep, its sad that the numbers are dwindling. When I was a kid the WeePee vs Transvaal 1st class matches used to be sellouts.

It would be sad to see the whole 1st class game disappear, but in 20 years from now it'll probably be a memory.

It's because I don't have 5 days to sit around and do nothing because I do work hard that has everything to do with it. I usually have the cricket on in the back ground but seldom watch much of the game.

However, I am one of the people who does attend these matches (when I can). I am not the majority, nor is being a part of dwindling numbers going to help the game.

I even took a whole bunch of my chicks friends to Centurion. They have vowed never to attend another test as it is pointless, too hot and they have better things to do. Now if this is how the majority thinks, the game is in trouble.

[gdiza]

I think teams should treat TESTS like Pro20's!

That would be bloody awesome!

[Devill]

I think teams should treat TESTS like Pro20's!

That would be bloody awesome!

And only last 1.5 days.....

[timgaul]

timgaul if you would read my post again you see that I never mention that the T20 or ODIs are abomonations. There are enough Test cricket supporters around the world.

It might not be in anyway as profitable as T20s or ODIs but, timgaul, you fail to see my point.

I am saying if you do not like it there are two other formats of the same beloved game that you as a spaz can go watch timgaul.

I myself like to watch a T20 and ODI game, but then again I do not try and change them and moan about how they should be more like tests... Like one poster said it might share the same mechanics but it is in no way the same game.

Timgaul timgaul timgaul, please read this and see that other also feel the same way.

http://www.cricket.mailliw.com/archives/2009/11/24/whither-test-cricket/

Again timgaul, I am not blind to the reality but also not blind to other's idiocy.

Don't be an absolute tosser now Devill. I never once said I didn't watch the tests nor go to the games (in fact I attended two over December). I just know what the majority of people I go with have said and that is they won't go back.

So you can be as high and mighty as you would like to be! I really don't give a damn what your opinion is of people who don't enjoy tests because it matter fsck all in the big picture.

Fortunately not everyone has your attitude or cricket as a sport would have died 20 years ago. The introduction of day-night tests is an attempt to increase attendance. I'm sure other measures will be put in place to assist because whether you feel you are the almighty know-it-all of cricket is does not matter when the stadia and teams for their end of year budget.

This world runs on money, not because some people love the game. That's the harsh reality. If you don't like it go whine to someone else because it makes no difference to me!

[Devill]

Don't be an absolute tosser now Devill. I never once said I didn't watch the tests nor go to the games (in fact I attended two over December). I just know what the majority of people I go with have said and that is they won't go back.

So you can be as high and mighty as you would like to be! I really don't give a damn what your opinion is of people who don't enjoy tests because it matter fsck all in the big picture.

Fortunately not everyone has your attitude or cricket as a sport would have died 20 years ago. The introduction of day-night tests is an attempt to increase attendance. I'm sure other measures will be put in place to assist because whether you feel you are the almighty know-it-all of cricket is does not matter when the stadia and teams for their end of year budget.

This world runs on money, not because some people love the game. That's the harsh reality. If you don't like it go whine to someone else because it makes no difference to me!

I see you are still struggeling to read.
Maybe try this :) (http://xf2.xanga.com/0c3c652772132193285255/z149052379.jpg)

[timgaul]

I see you are still struggeling to read.
Maybe try this :) (http://xf2.xanga.com/0c3c652772132193285255/z149052379.jpg)

Maybe this will assist you in understanding why your opinion on cricket matters bugger all:

http://homepages.stmartin.edu/fac_staff/dstout/ECN101/index.htm :)

[undesign]

I see you are still struggeling to read.
Maybe try this :) (http://xf2.xanga.com/0c3c652772132193285255/z149052379.jpg)


Maybe this will assist you in understanding why your opinion on cricket matters bugger all:

http://homepages.stmartin.edu/fac_staff/dstout/ECN101/index.htm :)

you two are almost as entertaining as the last 10 overs at Newlands :D

[Devill]

Maybe this will assist you in understanding why your opinion on cricket matters bugger all:

http://homepages.stmartin.edu/fac_staff/dstout/ECN101/index.htm :)

Lol, see you are still struggeling with the basics of my 3rd from last post. I know there are big words in there like "and", "the" and a few others but just try and read it again.

[timgaul]

Lol, see you are still struggeling with the basics of my 3rd from last post. I know there are big words in there like "and", "the" and a few others but just try and read it again.

I see that you're struggling with using all your fingers and toes, but here is the simplified version:

R 0.00 + R 0.00 = R 0.00

I won't get into the other economics of the situation because your head might explode and ruin you viewing of the final test.

[timgaul]

you two are almost as entertaining as the last 10 overs at Newlands :D

Thanks! It's a slow Monday! :D

[Devill]

I see that you're struggling with using all your fingers and toes, but here is the simplified version:

R 0.00 + R 0.00 = R 0.00

I won't get into the other economics of the situation because your head might explode and ruin you viewing of the final test.

Lol, ok. I study art and have no idea of any econ. or maths.
(No I am a liar I study applied Maths -> Main stream in Fin modeling)
Ps I can see you still did not read my posts properly and you do not comprehend what I am saying.

I have stated my case and opinion and you chose not to read it so I will rather not discuss anything further in this thread with you until you do take the time to go and read my posts :)

[timgaul]

Lol, ok. I study art and have no idea of any econ. or maths.
(No I am a liar I study applied Maths -> Main stream in Fin modeling)

Ps I can see you still did not read my posts properly and you do not comprehend what I am saying.

I have stated my case and opinion and you chose not to read it so I will rather not discuss anything further in this thread with you until you do take the time to go and read my posts :)

Pot. Kettle. Black. :p

Now can we carry one and just watch some cricket?

[Devill]

Pot. Kettle. Black. :p
Now can we carry one and just watch some cricket?

No. Not for another +- 3 days.

+ as you said it is a slow day.

[timgaul]

No. Not for another +- 3 days.

+ as you said it is a slow day.

There's an idea, I wonder if any of my buddies are free for the first day of the test. Hmmmm...

[Devill]

There's an idea, I wonder if any of my buddies are free for the first day of the test. Hmmmm...

I will be going on Saturday me thinks :)

Day 3, hoping to see us bat a bit and have a bowl :D

[Syzygy78]

Lets say 1% of black people(40 million) and 20% of white (5 million) people support cricket in SA.

Thus 400 000 black people, and 100 000 white people. Now in SA we have an unemployment rate of 36% (or there about last time I looked) and our middle class can afford a whole lot less than countries like USA, Aus, Eng's middle class.

Now also remember we do not have a brilliant public transport system (very few people can go watch a test day in Joburg if they live north of PTA) and we also gravitate less towards our major cities atm than Aus, English, Americans (thus we are further away from the stadiums).

Now take all these factors into account and I am sure you will see that when SA has 16 000 a day we have a lot.

Im surprised no one pointed out your bad maths. 20% of 5 000 000 is 1 000 000 and not 100 000.

[Devill]

Im surprised no one pointed out your bad maths. 20% of 5 000 000 is 1 000 000 and not 100 000.

I miss-typed.

Ps I am surprised no one pointed out your "bad" english as it is incorrect maths not "bad" maths.

[phoneJunky]

And devil, you are forgetting about the 4.5 million Coloured people that watches cricket and almost all 200000 Indian people watch it. I was at the Wanderers yesterday and it was sold out. The big matches will always pull in supporters.

[Devill]

And devil, you are forgetting about the 4.5 million Coloured people that watches cricket and almost all 200000 Indian people watch it. I was at the Wanderers yesterday and it was sold out. The big matches will always pull in supporters.

Ok thats fair :)

But those 4.5 million are 40% unemployed.... same as the black people....

Thus the two biggest groups that they draw on might by and large not be able to afford a ticket / day at the cricket.

Then we also have to note that of the then +- 6.1 million supporters +-35% are in Gauteng, +-20% in KZN etc etc (those figures are guesses).

As we do not have cheap / affordable flights compared to our wages we can not travel for cricket like in the UK, Aus, Ind, etc etc.

We are a unique country and we face many problems that are unique to SA.

I am just happy that we had some good attendance in for the relative size of the cricket supporters base.

[cr@zydude]

Ok thats fair :)

But those 4.5 million are 40% unemployed.... same as the black people....

Thus the two biggest groups that they draw on might by and large not be able to afford a ticket / day at the cricket.

Then we also have to note that of the then +- 6.1 million supporters +-35% are in Gauteng, +-20% in KZN etc etc (those figures are guesses).

As we do not have cheap / affordable flights compared to our wages we can not travel for cricket like in the UK, Aus, Ind, etc etc.

We are a unique country and we face many problems that are unique to SA.

I am just happy that we had some good attendance in for the relative size of the cricket supporters base.

Yes we do have unique problems but there are some possible solutions. Thing's like why was this test watch started on a Thursday instead of Wednesday.:confused:

It worked out fine with SA winning in 4 days, I think a Wednesday start is better in general. It's not always possible, and not needed during the holidays but can help out sometimes.

Another big thing is corperate boxes and entertainement area's where cricket isn't always the main draw card. Companies can be forced to pay a lot for these and this helps by putting more money into the unions coffers.

[Syzygy78]

I miss-typed.

Ps I am surprised no one pointed out your "bad" english as it is incorrect maths not "bad" maths.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bad

I direct you to the definition under option 5: inaccurate, incorrect, or faulty: a bad guess. This hereby shows that bad maths is perfectly acceptable :) bad and incorrect are synonyms.

[krycor]

If there is one change i'd like to see then its a reserve day being introduced for weather affected matches such that the 90ov/day rate is maintained. 1day might not seem like much but quite often its under run by a small amount. i.e. No more playing for weather to win matches.

[alf101]

If there is one change i'd like to see then its a reserve day being introduced for weather affected matches such that the 90ov/day rate is maintained. 1day might not seem like much but quite often its under run by a small amount. i.e. No more playing for weather to win matches.

There was a time when there was a "rest day" after the 2nd or 3rd day of a test match.
Last time I saw that was in our 1st test against the Windies in 1992.

They could use that day.

[Devill]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bad

I direct you to the definition under option 5: inaccurate, incorrect, or faulty: a bad guess. This hereby shows that bad maths is perfectly acceptable :) bad and incorrect are synonyms.

Yes because I have been such a incorrect boy....

//Sings

On the day I was born
The nurses all gathered round
And they gazed in wild wonder
At the joy they had found
The head nurse spoke up
Said "leave this one alone."
She could tell right away
I was incorrect to the bone

incorrect to the bone
incorrect to the bone
In in in incorrect
Incorrect to the bone

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/bad?view=uk
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/incorrect?view=uk

bad
• adjective (worse, worst) 1 of poor quality or a low standard.

incorrect
• adjective not in accordance with fact or standards; wrong.

Does really not look interchangeable to me;)

But anywa, I would also like to see an extra day for tests for incase the weather doesn't be have.

Or we can just play timeless tests like we use to :D

[krycor]

There was a time when there was a "rest day" after the 2nd or 3rd day of a test match.
Last time I saw that was in our 1st test against the Windies in 1992.

They could use that day.

Has to be after the 5th day, the 1st two days can be good days and last 2 or 3 could be bad. The problem with weather etc is tv, not cricket itself. sponsorship, advertising etc is what makes sport on tv work and why rain games = losses for them. crowds for the grounds yes.. but proportionally its small.