Cricket: South Africa tour to India 2010

[Rodent-Boy]

Since cricket was invented. Look at the top big (hitters) players now. Tendulkar, Ponting, Watson, Gibbs, de Villiers, Sehwag, Dhoni, Bosman, I could count them all day.. Maybe 1 or 2 exceptions... Gilchrist and Yuvraj.

*sigh*

[Smooth Criminal]

Explain why they brought Amla back? Why not keep a big hitter like - Bosman? To keep the innings together at snails pace?
A right hander is powerful than a left hander but they've brought Duminy over Peterson! Now that's bull$hit.
Botha could've been economical in this wicket, but no, they chose vd Merwe..
Lance Klusener might disagree.

Btw go check Amla's strike rate compared to the rest of the team. It's one of the highest.

[killadoob]

dude, don't be an idiot please......

how many more games have sachin played than Kallis? How many wickets does Sachin have???

you are just proving what everyone here allready suspects of you

I agree with him in regards to kallis vs sachin. Kallis should not even be compared in either format of the game actually. Kallis does not even have a double ton in a test match. Having said that there are not many batsmen you can compare sachin to. Maybe lara for sheer class but i can think of nobody that comes close to the genius that is sachin apart from lara and i am talking my generation though.

[Viper25]

Wow..Congrats Tendulkar..
Best batsman of all time

[AMG133]

Now that would be a first.

be prepared to eat your words, his wife made fresh haleem and naan for his dinner, watch this space!

[Stephen]

What's your problem?
Sachin is the best player ever!!!!

over 17.5k in runs...
Kallis 10k? dont talk abt kallis in the same breadth as sachin!

Please if Kallis played most of his games on those Indian pitches he would have plenty more runs. Plus how many ODI's has tendulkar played like 500 or something

I think I could score runs on those pitches, and I am a terrible bat

[R13...]

Of all the top nations, you gotta say South Africa do appear at the wrong end of a lot of records.

[phoneJunky]

Now, India have 401 but South Africa know how it feels to chase down a score of that size. And on this pitch, I dare say it is chaseable if Gibbs and co get their act together. Remember, Sri Lanka almost scaled down 414 in Rajkot. So join us in a bit to see what the response is like.

I agree with this

And the left handed right handed thing. Most top players are right handed because 90% of the human population is right.

[Bizkit87]

I agree with him in regards to kallis vs sachin. Kallis should not even be compared in either format of the game actually. Kallis does not even have a double ton in a test match. Having said that there are not many batsmen you can compare sachin to. Maybe lara for sheer class but i can think of nobody that comes close to the genius that is sachin apart from lara and i am talking my generation though.

making a double ton doesn't make you a good batsmen [Jason Gillespie anyone? he has a double ton, you rate him better than kallis?]

they [kallis/tendulkar] are both master class batsmen, averaging high 50's in test. Tendulkar just play'ed 100's more test [thumbsucking]

purely on batting, yes tendulkar is above all in our generation, but saying kallis should not be mentioned in the same breath as Tendulkar, is an insult to cricket, and both these cricketers

[Mamajyot]

dude, don't be an idiot please......

how many more games have sachin played than Kallis? How many wickets does Sachin have???

you are just proving what everyone here allready suspects of you

WOuld you like to know what I think of you?

[killadoob]

Exactly gillespie has one but not kallis, that must hurt even more when people are rating you as good as sachin.

Sorry i am realistic in life and apart from lara there is not a single batsmen that i can think of to rival sachin as the best batsmen i have ever watched, he does not always play in india.

[Khanya]

Game on... 1st over score 6/0. Gibbs 5, Amla 1.
Why didn't they pair up Gibbs with de Villiers...

[Bizkit87]

I agree with this

And the left handed right handed thing. Most top players are right handed because 90% of the human population is right.

well then that makes left handers so much better than right handers:


1 822 M.S. Dhoni IND - Right Handed
2 809 M.E.K. Hussey AUS - Left Handed
3 749 A.B. de Villiers SA - Right Handed
4 739 R.T. Ponting AUS -Right Handed
5 729 G.C. Smith SA - Left Handed
6 723 S.R. Tendulkar IND - Right Handed
7 714 S. Chanderpaul WI - Left Handed
7 714 C.H. Gayle WI - Left Handed
9 702 V. Sehwag IND - Right Handed
10 701 K.C. Sangakkara SL - Left Handed

if 90% of the population is right handed, that makes it special that 5 out of the top 10 odi batsmen are left handed?

your argument, and fail... they should meet up....

[Stephen]

I agree with him in regards to kallis vs sachin. Kallis should not even be compared in either format of the game actually. Kallis does not even have a double ton in a test match. Having said that there are not many batsmen you can compare sachin to. Maybe lara for sheer class but i can think of nobody that comes close to the genius that is sachin apart from lara and i am talking my generation though.

I dont agree.

I have been told a million times that its not just stats. Kallis has had the problem of batting with a side that has a very brittle batting line up. Kallis has had to save the Proteas on many occassions on his own. FOr years Kallis had to be so careful not to lose his wicket because of what usually happens when he goes.

So you can easily say Kallis in the same breath as Tendulkar. He is just a different style of player

[Bizkit87]

WOuld you like to know what I think of you?

oh please please don't hurt my feelings ... what you think of me is what gets me to rest at night.....

[The_Pumpkin_King]

...at least the SA players can say "I was there" when Sachin made 200 in an ODI

:p lmao!

I dont think Gibbs can do it again, SA will probably get to 240 all out

[killadoob]

No kallis has been more worried about getting out in previous years to destroy teams, only since he got dropped from the t20 side did he start picking up his run rate. I have watched kallis on many occasions grind our odi run rate to a halt. I am sorry maybe in the test arena he is as good as sachin but he pales in comparison in odi's.

You can say them in the same breath but saying kallis is as good is a lie. Anyways we will never agree just what i think :D.

[Smooth Criminal]

Back to back fours for Hash.

[Khanya]

That's the end.. Gibbs out for 7.

[Esea]

isnt 75% of people right handed.? Any how whit the angles left handers face the ball it gives then more power in certain shots like off there legs

[phoneJunky]

well then that makes left handers so much better than right handers:



if 90% of the population is right handed, that makes it special that 5 out of the top 10 odi batsmen are left handed?

your argument, and fail... they should meet up....


I never argued that one is superior to the other, I just said that 90% of people are right handed and therefore it would make sense if there are more right handers on the top of the list. But 5 out of ten, then it looks like left handers are more 'special', but there are other stuff to also factor into this.

[Smooth Criminal]

FFS Gibbs! :mad:

[Khanya]

:p lmao!

I dont think Gibbs can do it again, SA will probably get to 240 all out

+1...

[Mamajyot]

:p lmao!

I dont think Gibbs can do it again, SA will probably get to 240 all out
+1 to pumpkin

Kumar to Gibbs, OUT, 125.5 kph, South Africa have suffered a major blow, short outside off and Gibbs tries to be a little cheeky, attempted to paddle it fine, gets an inside edge and it lands on the stumps

[AMG133]

FFS Gibbs! :mad:

relax, Amla is still there......

[Bizkit87]

I never argued that one is superior to the other, I just said that 90% of people are right handed and therefore it would make sense if there are more right handers on the top of the list. But 5 out of ten, then it looks like left handers are more 'special', but there are other stuff to also factor into this.

sorry, was more aiming the powerful/better comment of right handers.... not really yours.

[Stephen]

You cant Say Tendulkar in the same breath as Kallis when it comes to bowling or fielding . So that 2 -1 to Kallis - Waha :D

[phoneJunky]

No Gibbs, no win - I have lost most of my hope now, last bit of hope lies in Amla

[Smooth Criminal]

Tendulkar is a better batsman. But Kallis owns him in bowling and fielder.

Therefore Kallis >> Tendulkar.

Anyway Amla needs to hold the innings together while the others play around him.

[phoneJunky]

I would say Kallis is the best cricketer (I know Pointing got this), but really.

Sachin is a legend in his own right.

[Khanya]

Amla going on nicely. Hoping he lasts though... 5 fours already.

[Bizkit87]

You cant Say Tendulkar in the same breath as Kallis when it comes to bowling or fielding . So that 2 -1 to Kallis - Waha :D


Tendulkar is a better batsman. But Kallis owns him in bowling and fielder.

Therefore Kallis >> Tendulkar.

Anyway Amla needs to hold the innings together while the others play around him.


I would say Kallis is the best cricketer (I know Pointing got this), but really.

Sachin is a legend in his own right.

so to sum up?

Sachin better batsmen, Kallis better cricketer?

[SlyFly]

Nice job Gibbs, ovbious why you're in the team...

[AMG133]

Amla hit 3 four's in a row! that must be some kind of record!

[R13...]

so to sum up?

Sachin better batsmen, Kallis better cricketer?
Too bad the cricketing world will see always see Sachin>>>Kallis for a while yet.

[Khanya]

Roelof!!! Yeah!!! In with Amla!

[Rodent-Boy]

Now that would be a first.

You were saying?

[Stephen]

so to sum up?

Sachin better batsmen, Kallis better cricketer?

Ill stir even more, taking wickets is what wins you games more than runs :D

[Rodent-Boy]

Amla hit 3 four's in a row! that must be some kind of record!

Lolwut?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

+1...


+1 to pumpkin

Kumar to Gibbs, OUT, 125.5 kph, South Africa have suffered a major blow, short outside off and Gibbs tries to be a little cheeky, attempted to paddle it fine, gets an inside edge and it lands on the stumps

the cool by association panel has denied your request ;)

[phoneJunky]

Amla looking good though, might still save us

[Khanya]

You were saying?

Amla win the game for us.

[Khanya]

Nice short cameo vd Merwe, thanks. 47/2.

[phoneJunky]

5.4


Sreesanth to van der Merwe, OUT, Roelof's stay ends, comes down the track and tries to heave it over square leg, ends up, like he very often does, miscuing it into the off side, lands safely in the palms of Raina at cover


RE van der Merwe c Raina b Sreesanth 12 (11b 1x4 1x6) SR: 109.09

Good while it lasted

[Bizkit87]

Good while it lasted

did what he had to...

[Fox1]

Amla is hitting the calmest boundaries:D

[phoneJunky]

I think he will get his hundred, I don't even think he will be dismissed - 250 to be scored by him today

[Mamajyot]

Amla is from tongaat!
Viva Tongaat viva!

Never forget your roots my boy! We are so proud of you!

[Mamajyot]

Amla looking good though, might still save us

Whateve it is you're please let me know, as it must be really good!

[Khanya]

How does Cricinfo ball-by-ball work? Someone typing, or what?

[milomak]

my that amla is batting at a snail's pace

[Smooth Criminal]

True milo, how dare he bat at a strike rate of 165 :D

[JK8]

Lol which idiot decided to send in VD Merwe? Poor innings, disrespecting Amla by not taking 3 easy singles just to keep strike, good he's out...
Amla going along nicely, no need to it 6s, play classy like Sachin did...

Edit: Amla out :(

[Khanya]

What did I tell you!? Amla gone now, 34, atleast he reduced the deficit. 61/3.

[phoneJunky]

Amla out :(

[killadoob]

Really nicely you say? amla gone.

Damn they should have stuck with the previous team :(. WTF bring in amla on an indian odi track and not bosman? I hope they drop amla after one innings like bosman. Well it was nice to think our out of form batsmen had a chance :D

[Smooth Criminal]

:(

[Stephen]

Too bad the cricketing world will see always see Sachin>>>Kallis for a while yet.

Well we know what happens when anyone dares disagree anything to do with Indian cricket. Its threats and go home time :rolleyes:

[JK8]

Really nicely you say? amla gone.

Damn they should have stuck with the previous team :(. WTF bring in amla on an indian odi track and not bosman? I hope they drop amla after one innings like bosman. Well it was nice to think our out of form batsmen had a chance :D

Noooo, Bosman would have done worst, I guarantee it. Dont think any SA batsmen has the skill or the know how to make the score now...

[JK8]

Too bad the cricketing world will see always see Sachin>>>Kallis for a while yet.

Pssht go crawl back into your hole, Kallis is not in the same league as Tendulkar.
Tendulkar is a legend, Kallis is already a has been!! :)

[killadoob]

Noooo, Bosman would have done worst, I guarantee it. Dont think any SA batsmen has the skill or the know how to make the score now...

You can guarantee something that has never happened? How does that work? Batting paradise and bosman are good friends. Gibbs any pitch is his friend when he plays like only gibbs can not this paddle BS in the first 3 overs.

Stupid selectors keep chopping and changing the Bloody team!!!!

[Mamajyot]

Sudharsana: "The point to be noted is "Both the top two scores in ODI be it men or women has come in India :) ""

7.4


Sreesanth to Amla, OUT, 136.0 kph, The in-form Amla goes, short outside off and he goes for the pull but gets it high on the bat and finds Nehra at mid-on, South Africa in trouble now


HM Amla c Nehra b Sreesanth 34 (22b 7x4 0x6) SR: 154.54

[AMG133]

Amla out :(

:(

[Stephen]

The one problem is I think our bowlers are to fast for Indian ODI tracks

[Mamajyot]

Pssht go crawl back into your hole, Kallis is not in the same league as Tendulkar.
Tendulkar is a legend, Kallis is already a has been!! :)

+1000

[Mamajyot]

The one problem is I think our bowlers are to fast for Indian wickets

to fast?

Thats great english my friend!

:D

[Fox1]

Kallis doesn't spend every home summer series batting on flat wickets unlike Mr.Legend.

[Smooth Criminal]

Pssht go crawl back into your hole, Kallis is not in the same league as Tendulkar.
Tendulkar is a legend, Kallis is already a has been!! :)

Yeah a legend who can't bowl and field, lol.

[AMG133]

Really nicely you say? amla gone.

Damn they should have stuck with the previous team :(. WTF bring in amla on an indian odi track and not bosman? I hope they drop amla after one innings like bosman. Well it was nice to think our out of form batsmen had a chance :D

well he is the only guy that put up some sort of fight! they should have dropped Gibbs instead of Bosman.

[lilggg]

Wtf u ppl complaining bout amla scoring rate.Just cos he doesnt need to slog to get his boundaries does that make u think hes scoring slow?Hes not like good ol roelof who just doesnt knw wtf hes doing.And amla strike rate is probably higher than him.

[Stephen]

to fast?

Thats great english my friend!

:D

Whats wrong Einstein you suppose to know a lot on cricket. Go figure it out. Is that Julius Malema forum busy????

[AMG133]

Wtf u ppl complaining bout amla scoring rate.Just cos he doesnt need to slog to get his boundaries does that make u think hes scoring slow?Hes not like good ol roelof who just doesnt knw wtf hes doing.And amla strike rate is probably higher than him.

+1, all of a sudden everyone thinks they should be selector's

[killadoob]

No i just think we need to have a team that is not worried about being dropped. You will play every game in the series is a lot better than if you don't knock a 100 we will drop you.

[lilggg]

They up with the rate just from playing good shots,no risks at all.

[Smooth Criminal]

Wtf u ppl complaining bout amla scoring rate.Just cos he doesnt need to slog to get his boundaries does that make u think hes scoring slow?Hes not like good ol roelof who just doesnt knw wtf hes doing.And amla strike rate is probably higher than him.
Most people here didn't complain, there were only a couple of know-it-alls who complained.

[Ecco]

Yeah a legend who can't bowl and field, lol.

There is a place for batsmen, bowlers and all rounders amongst the worlds cricketing legends.

Tendulkar, with Lara and Bradmen are the greatest batsmen ever.

The game being naturally favoured towards the batsmen, Tendulkar will forever be seen as better then Kallis.

Kallis is great, but hasn't had as much impact Tendulkar has had on the game.

[superskully]

Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
ODIs 13 11 0 233 88 21.18 259 89.96 0 1 30 5 3 0
T20Is 6 6 1 257 94 51.40 151 170.19 0 3 22 17 0 0
First-class 94 169 12 4568 140 29.09 5 23 50 0
List A 148 143 9 3785 99* 28.24 0 21 38 0
Twenty20 38 37 3 1187 104 34.91 802 148.00 1 7 100 66 7 0

Stats dont lie.
Bosman must stick to T20.
All you #$#$ calling for Bosman over Amla really don know much about cricket.
Anyway, problem with SA ODI cricket is our bowlers, not batsmen.
Not matter who we say should bat, Bosman, Gibbs, Amla... our bowlers give away too many runs.

[killadoob]

Well kallis with his new found more than a run ball game and ab who owes us a big one might just pull off something :D. Run rate is at least good and we are only 2 batsmen down really because a tail ender is gone :D.

Super how do you figure our bowlers are the problem? did you notice us sitting at 166/7 last time round? Do you notice us 3 down already in this game? Blaming the bowlers is not on dude.

[Khanya]

Noooo, Bosman would have done worst, I guarantee it. Dont think any SA batsmen has the skill or the know how to make the score now...

Bosman is a (potentially) big hitter. Whilst Alma is not known for. What could he do in the middle overs? Nothing, just try and find the gaps all time. But what could Bosman do? Hit it over the top for six.
Well if de Villiers and Kallis could get a 200 patnership, we're in for exciting latter part.

[JK8]

You can guarantee something that has never happened? How does that work? Batting paradise and bosman are good friends. Gibbs any pitch is his friend when he plays like only gibbs can not this paddle BS in the first 3 overs.

Stupid selectors keep chopping and changing the Bloody team!!!!

I still gaurantee it! :)
Bosman is just a fad... he can score, but its a risk. SA only needs 2 4s an over... not 6s in the 1st 10 overs.

Another one, your beloved loser Kallis :D

[lilggg]

Crap,kallis gone ;/ must be over now,bring steyn in ;p

[AMG133]

No i just think we need to have a team that is not worried about being dropped. You will play every game in the series is a lot better than if you don't knock a 100 we will drop you.

well seeing as theres only 3 games in the series & the CSA did mention they will give everyone a chance, they had to find ways of getting everyone to bat.

anyway 81 after 10 overs is pretty good. Kallis & AB need to steady the ship and build a good partnership now.

[Smooth Criminal]

There is a place for batsmen, bowlers and all rounders amongst the worlds cricketing legends.

Tendulkar, with Lara and Bradmen are the greatest batsmen ever.

The game being naturally favoured towards the batsmen, Tendulkar will forever be seen as better then Kallis.

Kallis is great, but hasn't had as much impact Tendulkar has had on the game.
So the comparison is pointless then anyway. And who decides that batting is more important than overall skill?

[AMG133]

& as I say that Kallis go's out FML

[JK8]

Bosman is a (potentially) big hitter. Whilst Alma is not known for. What could he do in the middle overs? Nothing, just try and find the gaps all time. But what could Bosman do? Hit it over the top for six.
Well if de Villiers and Kallis could get a 200 patnership, we're in for exciting latter part.

What if you forget your password for this forum? :)
Amla is a quality player in all forms of the game, bosman is just a ............ lol nvm.

[lilggg]

Yeah a person like bosman may stay in for a few over and score a few runs,but chasing 400 u need sum1 who can score runs without playing risks and find the boundaries.

[Stephen]

There is a place for batsmen, bowlers and all rounders amongst the worlds cricketing legends.

Tendulkar, with Lara and Bradmen are the greatest batsmen ever.

The game being naturally favoured towards the batsmen, Tendulkar will forever be seen as better then Kallis.

Kallis is great, but hasn't had as much impact Tendulkar has had on the game.

Rubbish

[Smooth Criminal]

What's with these damn inside edges onto the stumps?

[lilggg]

Makes u wonder howcome we couldnt get wickets.

[Fox1]

Games getting edgy:D

[AMG133]

Rubbish

yes, Tendulkar can never have the class to get an inside edge onto the stumps like good ol Jakes

[Khanya]

Them Indians knocking life out of our top order.. 83/4.. Kallis gone...

[JK8]

Rubbish

Jealousy make you nasty...

[Mamajyot]

Nehra to Kallis, OUT, 130.9 kph, he's dragged it on! Short of a good length outside off and it kept a little low, tried to crack it hard past point, got an inside edge straight onto the stumps


JH Kallis b Nehra 11 (13b 2x4 0x6) SR: 84.61

Ha ha ha
Comparing Sachin to Kallis........ Go troll somewhere else please!!!
:D

[Ecco]

So the comparison is pointless then anyway. And who decides that batting is more important than overall skill?

Nobody has decided, its the nature of the game. Powerplays, ODI's, T20's they all about batsmen and big hitting.

If you look at the legends of cricket top 10, most are batsmen rather then all rounders or bowlers, and probably why Tendulkar is in that top 10 as opposed to Kallis.

[Khanya]

Yeah a person like bosman may stay in for a few over and score a few runs,but chasing 400 u need sum1 who can score runs without playing risks and find the boundaries.

He will use his mind, assess the situation, see what's required, and time the ball, and wouldn't play excessive big shots.

[Stephen]

Jealousy make you nasty...

Lol not at all. Thats why there is so many draws in Tests in India because of the flat pitches so Tendulkar can get all his runs

[superskully]

Well kallis with his new found more than a run ball game and ab who owes us a big one might just pull off something :D. Run rate is at least good and we are only 2 batsmen down really because a tail ender is gone :D.

Super how do you figure our bowlers are the problem? did you notice us sitting at 166/7 last time round? Do you notice us 3 down already in this game? Blaming the bowlers is not on dude.

Again u must look at the stats, and u cant look at a single game like 166/7...
We have 2 batsmen in the top 10 while no bowlers.
All out fast bowlers are strike bowlers and are expensive.

[killadoob]

Yeah a person like bosman may stay in for a few over and score a few runs,but chasing 400 u need sum1 who can score runs without playing risks and find the boundaries.

Yes that is so different to kallis and amla who try do that and are both out now. Our top order is such a fail it saddens me to see them dropping bosman as if he could do any worse. Gibbs was the key he threw his wicket away and along with it any chance we had.

[Ecco]

Lol not at all. Thats why there is so many draws in Tests in India because of the flat pitches so Tendulkar can get all his runs

The old "flat pitches" story coming as an excuse.

The world cup next year is in India. If SA want to win something, they need to learn to live with playing in the sub-continent. Excuses don't cut it.

[AMG133]

ok they need to do what we did in the 438 game, after a good fast start, need to calm things down, knock the ball around, take 1's & 2's but crucially getting atleast 1 boundary an over.

[alf101]

WTF is everyone so negative for???
This game is being set up perfectly for Parnell and Steyn.

[JK8]

Ok so SA lost again under Kallis(not a legend like Tendulkar is).
I suspect Botha to captain the next game?

Apart from the legend Tendulkar just showing off what a classy player he is, Mr Kallis did F all about it... one bowler with a split webbed hand and another with a bust up eye, he didnt motivate the players or even try...

Another one, bye bye Peterson.

[Khanya]

102/5.. 300 odd runs adrift.

[killadoob]

WTF is everyone so negative for???
This game is being set up perfectly for Parnell and Steyn.


LMAO

Classic :D.

Maybe they should open give our top order some much needed help.

[Stephen]

The old "flat pitches" story coming as an excuse.

The world cup next year is in India. If SA want to win something, they need to learn to live with playing in the sub-continent. Excuses don't cut it.

I am not refering to this match. Dont be ignorant those pitches in india favour batsmen. It seems the "dont dare criticize Indian players" is still in force. Please dont burn effigies if you dont agree

[lilggg]

Lol make that 6,parnel,l and steyn shud open next game.

[Khanya]

WTF is everyone so negative for???
This game is being set up perfectly for Parnell and Steyn.

Lol.. You might be right.

[JK8]

Duminy - Duck!

[lilggg]

Going down tho i reckon.Oh looks its duminy too.lol

[killadoob]

How do they favour indian batsmen? A good track little in it for bowlers, why would an indian batsmen fair better than a SA on a batting paradise?

I could agree if this was a 200 run pitch where the spinners dominated then the pitch favours india but how does a flat 400 run pitch favour india?

Duminy is rubbish and must go home.

[Khanya]

Duminy now's the time! Justify your place in the squad. Build up a patnership of 200 off 120 balls with AB de Villiers.

[lilggg]

300 run partnership on its way.

[Smooth Criminal]

Lol Duminy doing what he does best, and walking back as soon as he comes out.

[Tarantula]

Duminy is such a joke, he really needs to f off back to the cobras and learn how to hold a bat. What a tosser.

[lilggg]

Duminy now's the time! Justify your place in the squad. Build up a patnership of 200 off 120 balls with AB de Villiers.

:D nice try

[JK8]

Duminy now's the time! Justify your place in the squad. Build up a patnership of 200 off 120 balls with AB de Villiers.

56k modem? Nuerons in the brain working?
He did well, scored ZERO!!

Shame but I really feel for the guy, hes a great player, just stuck in a hole, kinda like you :p

[Khanya]

Duminy now's the time! Justify your place in the squad. Build up a patnership of 200 off 120 balls with AB de Villiers.

Oh $hit I'm late!!! Duminy out for 0 from 1 delivery... What do you think gentlemen?

[lilggg]

Whats the required run rate now btw?must be about 10/11.

[killadoob]

Duminy is such a joke, he really needs to f off back to the cobras and learn how to hold a bat. What a tosser.

A little harsh but not untrue :D

[Ecco]

I am not refering to this match. Dont be ignorant those pitches in india favour batsmen. It seems the "dont dare criticize Indian players" is still in force. Please dont burn effigies if you dont agree

I know you were not referring to this match.

But its all South Africans ever hear about the cricket, excuses. And its time they stop and learn to play the conditions. If they keep up with the excuses, SA might as well not even make the trip to India to play in the world cup next year. Lets also add, Indian won the T20 world cup in South Africa 2007, and made the 2003 finals of the world cup in South Africa, so the flat pitches thing must stop. They did better then us on our own wickets.

[lilggg]

Ahh nice defense guys.u wanna bat for 50 overs so u can score 200 awww.

Justr realised thats a bit optimistic.

[Smooth Criminal]

A little harsh but not untrue :D
It's not harsh at all, people have been calling it for ages but the guy just keeps playing. I dunno wtf is wrong with going back to domestic and getting back into the team.

Srsly, one good tour and he's allowed to fail in every tour after that. But I bet he'll suddenly find form in the IPL again and be retained in the SA team based on that, like what happened last year.

[Stephen]

How do they favour indian batsmen? A good track little in it for bowlers, why would an indian batsmen fair better than a SA on a batting paradise?

I could agree if this was a 200 run pitch where the spinners dominated then the pitch favours india but how does a flat 400 run pitch favour india?

Duminy is rubbish and must go home.

Quite easy actually, if you compare wickets between India and South Africa they are vastly different. You must go listen to that podcast on Cricinfo very interesting - there they talk about Indian pitches.

[JK8]

I know you were not referring to this match.

But its all South Africans ever hear about the cricket, excuses. And its time they stop and learn to play the conditions. If they keep up with the excuses, SA might as well not even make the trip to India to play in the world cup next year. Lets also add, Indian won the T20 world cup in South Africa 2007, and made the 2003 finals of the world cup in South Africa, so the flat pitches thing must stop. They did better then us on our own wickets.

Nicely said Cat, India plays well in WC competitions. SA cant blame the pitch all the time, some are bouncy some a re flat, Australia seems to adapt quite nicely...
India lost in the series in SA in 07 I think, but they here later this year!! :D

[Khanya]

Run rate good but we don't have the batsmen.

[JK8]

It's not harsh at all, people have been calling it for ages but the guy just keeps playing. I dunno wtf is wrong with going back to domestic and getting back into the team.

Srsly, one good tour and he's allowed to fail in every tour after that. But I bet he'll suddenly find form in the IPL again and be retained in the SA team based on that, like what happened last year.

IPL pays more....

[Khanya]

Whats the required run rate now btw?must be about 10/11.

17.1 overs.
8.64 per over.

[Stephen]

I know you were not referring to this match.

But its all South Africans ever hear about the cricket, excuses. And its time they stop and learn to play the conditions. If they keep up with the excuses, SA might as well not even make the trip to India to play in the world cup next year. Lets also add, Indian won the T20 world cup in South Africa 2007, and made the 2003 finals of the world cup in South Africa, so the flat pitches thing must stop. They did better then us on our own wickets.

Groan I am talking about a career on flat wickets. Plus 20/20 doesnt count its still to random.

[Smooth Criminal]

IPL pays more....
So you only perform when the $$$ is coming in? That's wrong - IMO you need to give your best for whichever team you play. More so when you're an ambassador for your country and represent millions of people.

[killadoob]

IPL pays more....

Ain't that the truth.

Anyways another bad defeat and i love the excuses, flat tracks blah blah :D. Let the excuses end, maybe when we face some facts we can move forward until then let's keep blaming the conditions.

[killadoob]

IPL pays more....

Ain't that the truth.

Anyways another bad defeat and i love the excuses, flat tracks blah blah :D. Let the excuses end, maybe when we face some facts we can move forward until then let's keep blaming the conditions.

[Smooth Criminal]

IPL pays more....
So you only perform when the $$$ is coming in? That's wrong - IMO you need to give your best for whichever team you play. More so when you're an ambassador for your country and represent millions of people.

[Tarantula]

It's not harsh at all, people have been calling it for ages but the guy just keeps playing. I dunno wtf is wrong with going back to domestic and getting back into the team.

Srsly, one good tour and he's allowed to fail in every tour after that. But I bet he'll suddenly find form in the IPL again and be retained in the SA team based on that, like what happened last year.

If Duminy was an Aussie he would've been sent back to domestic cricket so fast, he wouldn't know whats what. Eventually, inevitably, Duminy will get some runs and the coaching staff will be like "aha, you see?!". At what cost though? Duminy is my new pet hate. Sorry Albie Morkel, you're number two now.

Albie Morkel? What does he actually do in the team? Is he designated Dave on the party bus? Does he carry the bags? Whats the story?

[lilggg]

Lol,maybe he does both

[Sarakael]

If Duminy was an Aussie he would've been sent back to domestic cricket so fast, he wouldn't know whats what. Eventually, inevitably, Duminy will get some runs and the coaching staff will be like "aha, you see?!". At what cost though? Duminy is my new pet hate. Sorry Albie Morkel, you're number two now.

No point hating Duminy, its not his fault he keeps getting picked. Hate the selectors

[lilggg]

Pity w dont have slow bowlers who actually trouble batsmen like the indian bowlers seem to do.Or maybe our batting is just that bad.

[Smooth Criminal]

If Duminy was an Aussie he would've been sent back to domestic cricket so fast, he wouldn't know whats what. Eventually, inevitably, Duminy will get some runs and the coaching staff will be like "aha, you see?!". At what cost though? Duminy is my new pet hate. Sorry Albie Morkel, you're number two now.

Albie Morkel? What does he actually do in the team? Is he designated Dave on the party bus? Does he carry the bags? Whats the story?
Same story as Duminy - one good tour against Aus and he keeps playing.

People need to get it out of their heads that sticking with a player will not work just because it worked for Kallis. Kallis had the backing of a good team when he failed so it didn't affect the outcomes too much. These noobs are failing in a team that's already fragile.

[lilggg]

What exactly are we trying to acomplish here,10 in the last 3 overs.

[Smooth Criminal]

What exactly are we trying to acomplish here,10 in the last 3 overs.

Playing time and hoping for a draw :D

[Khanya]

Pity w dont have slow bowlers who actually trouble batsmen like the indian bowlers seem to do.Or maybe our batting is just that bad.

de Villiers (the bowler) should earn a call up.

[Stephen]

Ain't that the truth.

Anyways another bad defeat and i love the excuses, flat tracks blah blah :D. Let the excuses end, maybe when we face some facts we can move forward until then let's keep blaming the conditions.

Good grief I am not refering to this match, I am refering to conditions Indian batsmen enjoy at home compared to other batsmen in a career. Why is it so difficult to support the team even if we are not going to win the game

[Stephen]

Well there are 3 things in life that is guaranteed 1) You pay taxes 2) You will die 3) When Proteas win again certain people will disappear

[lilggg]

Playing time and hoping for a draw :D

I think we scored quicker playing for the draw. ;p

[Smooth Criminal]

Well there are 3 things in life that is guaranteed 1) You pay taxes 2) You will die 3) When Proteas win again certain people will disappear
Nah win or lose I support them. I just question the decision of persisting with people like Duminy when it's costing us matches.

[lilggg]

Finally now for steyn and parnell.

[lilggg]

Yusuf Pathan (ob) 5.0 1 14 2 2.80
Ravindra Jadeja (sla) 5.0 0 20 1 4.00


RE van der Merwe 10 0 62 1 6.20
JP Duminy 5 0 38 0 7.60

[Khanya]

Boucher chowed up the balls, not even a strike rate of 50%. He calls for retirement.
Good news: Steyn!!! Whooooooiiiiieeee!!!

[Khanya]

Boucher chowed up the balls, not even a strike rate of 50%. He calls for retirement.
Good news: Steyn & Parnell incoming!!! Whooooooiiiiieeee!!!

[Stephen]

Nah win or lose I support them. I just question the decision of persisting with people like Duminy when it's costing us matches.

It wasnt meant for you :) , the people know who they are

[Smooth Criminal]

Parnell to knock 150 off 130, Steyn to get 100 off 50 :)

[lilggg]

Was looking forward to a close game ;/ and we get this crap

[lilggg]

At least try make it a bit exciting and hit sum fukn boundaires.We dont giv a sh it if u bat for 50 overs ;/

[Khanya]

Too many overs left. Run rate above 10. 3 wickets left...

[Khanya]

AB de Villiers SIX!

[Smooth Criminal]

2 runs a ball needed with 20 overs to go :D

[lilggg]

Getting close.

[sand_man]

2 runs a ball needed with 20 overs to go :D
Only thing thats going to save India now is rain :-)

[lilggg]

parnell 8/27.He forgot how to hit the ball?

[sox63]

Funny how great AB plays when there is no pressure on him...

[Khanya]

What can you say about de Villiers. Always consistent. Classic player.

[Khanya]

Sehwag swallows a fly! During the match.

[Smooth Criminal]

Parnell is keeping the strike at the end of each over! It's game over for India, they're no match for us :)

[Morgoth]

India is squeezing our balls while they have it in a vice grip, they totally outplayed us today.

[alf101]

Pity they don't have the review system.

No idea how that fsking umpire gave Parnell out there.

Bloody cheats!!!!!

[sand_man]

Funny how great AB plays when there is no pressure on him...You being sarcastic?

[mikkelz_za]

What can you say about de Villiers. Always consistent. Classic player.

Not sure about always consistent, but a brilliant innings nevertheless.

I was just thinking the problem with our team of late is the quantity of brilliant individual performances, but the lack of quality performances overall as a team.

Like Amla, Kallis and Steyn won the first test against India. Amla kept us in the second test and that was it. There are hardly any massive partnerships (occasionally a decent one).

Our bowlers (excl. Steyn) have been weak for a while now. It's a massive problem. South Africa's bowling attack was it's strength for so long.

[lilggg]

4 4's an over GAME ON!!

[lilggg]

Pretty good score after being 134/7

[killadoob]

Pretty good score after being 134/7

Generally that is when our star batsmen come in so yea :D.

[mikkelz_za]

Sachin Tendulkar's unbeaten 200: The ultimate ODI innings

http://www.cricinfo.com/indvrsa2010/content/current/story/449880.html

[SlyFly]

So much for the lets drop the AB arguement...

He could have gone on to score 200 aswell if he had a partner that would be able to stick around... He just needs 90 from 8 overs ;)

[mikkelz_za]

I think we need Gary Kirsten and co. to start coaching RSA asap!

[Khanya]

That's it, it's over... 248/10. Well done to de Villiers though @ 2nd ODI. Gibbs - very poor. Amla - tried not hard enough. Roelof - six & a four, useless cameo. Kallis - 2 fours not convincing. Peterson - bad effort. Duminy - probably the only $hit in the team. Boucher - too slow as always, retire dude. Parnell - not as impressive. Steyn - no comment. Langaveldt - nice shots on the off there.

Next ODI hoping for good results.

@ India, well done Tendulkar. Well played Dhoni and Karthick. 400 for the 4th time now? Well performing top order.

[sox63]

At least all the other touring guys can get a run on saturday.

[sand_man]

I think we need Gary Kirsten and co. to start coaching RSA asap!Jennings is the man for the job... Until they get rid of all the old crop and employ someone fresh and competent like Jennings for example we not going to perform to our true potential...

[stefan9]

Jennings is the man for the job... Until they get rid of all the old crop and employ someone fresh and competent like Jennings for example we not going to perform to our true potential...

Jennings has failed at each and every profesional team he has coached. He doesn't get a long with top players. His methods works at youth team level but will not work at franchsie,county or international level.

Give the current guys time. Hardly fair to change them now. If not then go for a proven guy like tom moody.

[Stephen]

Too bad the cricketing world will see always see Sachin>>>Kallis for a while yet.

Well some people disagree:

http://www.cricinfo.com/decadereview2009/content/story/443957.html

Maybe Tendulkar had an awesome first 10 years

[Smooth Criminal]

WD India and congrats to Tendulkar, they deserve the win. We played k@k, barring one batsman.

Anyway I think Gibbs needs to bat lower down, he's been doing well there domestically. Bring Bosman back in to open and toss Duminy - we're playing with 10 men from the outset with him on the team.

[killadoob]

Wow sachin a humble guy. Very nice guy. Kallis what a ****!!!!!!!! when asked about sachin's 200 he says o well he took advantage of the conditions well. You would think a batsmen of kallis's calibur would say a little more about it considering it has never been done and it is argubly the greatest one day innings ever played.

Kallis looked pissed off :D. Probably upset sachin can get a double hundred in 50 overs and he cannot do it in 2 days :D

[Smooth Criminal]

Lol yeah Sachin's a nice guy, it's his fans that are the twats.

[Stephen]

Wow sachin a humble guy. Very nice guy. Kallis what a ****!!!!!!!! when asked about sachin's 200 he says o well he took advantage of the conditions well. You would think a batsmen of kallis's calibur would say a little more about it considering it has never been done and it is argubly the greatest one day innings ever played.

Kallis looked pissed off :D. Probably upset sachin can get a double hundred in 50 overs and he cannot do it in 2 days :D

yawn, i noticed you also seem to belittle the Proteas even when they win - by looking at your previous posts :rolleyes:

[mikkelz_za]

Kallis looked pissed off :D. Probably upset sachin can get a double hundred in 50 overs and he cannot do it in 2 days :D

Flipping ROFL! :D

[Khanya]

Wow sachin a humble guy. Very nice guy. Kallis what a ****!!!!!!!! when asked about sachin's 200 he says o well he took advantage of the conditions well. You would think a batsmen of kallis's calibur would say a little more about it considering it has never been done and it is argubly the greatest one day innings ever played.

Kallis looked pissed off :D. Probably upset sachin can get a double hundred in 50 overs and he cannot do it in 2 days :D

Not even 50 overs.. 24.5 overs (147 balls).

[Morgoth]

Jennings has failed at each and every profesional team he has coached. He doesn't get a long with top players. His methods works at youth team level but will not work at franchsie,county or international level.

Give the current guys time. Hardly fair to change them now. If not then go for a proven guy like tom moody.

because he demands ultimate discipline. The guy is a shaka freak, but something like that will pull our cricket out of the ground.

[stefan9]

because he demands ultimate discipline. The guy is a shaka freak, but something like that will pull our cricket out of the ground.

No it won't. It has been proven time and again that profesional players do not work with guys who use those methods, school boys yes but grown men do not take kindly to jennings. Also for the record when he had the sa job he only managed a loss in a two test series in india under similiar circumstances to what van zyl and wessels had . So they are already ahead of him.

[sand_man]

No it won't. It has been proven time and again that profesional players do not work with guys who use those methods, school boys yes but grown men do not take kindly to jennings.Bangalore Royals took to him and he took them from last in 2008 to finalists in the 2009 IPL. Jennings got a Super 6's title too. Where's it been proven that professional players don't take to discipline demanding coaches. Quite the contrary. I would imagine it's imperative for professional sportsmen to be kept on the straight and narrow. We know how easily they stray...

The problem with Smith and co is they scared of hard work and thus Jennings.

The late Hansie Cronje felt and believed to be better than the opposition you had to work and train harder than they did. It worked for him and the Proteas team at the time. They were a highly fit and competitive outfit.

Jennings is a coach in the same mould and that's no fun and probably why Smith never liked him or wanted him as coach.. Both are strong headed individuals who speak there mind, quite possible the 2 alpha males couldn't co-exist...

[killadoob]

yawn, i noticed you also seem to belittle the Proteas even when they win - by looking at your previous posts :rolleyes:

Maybe you should put your specs on and read some of my comments, i only put down players i feel need to be. Maybe read some of my comments, one comment for instance if gibbs goes early we lose (duh most of our batsmen have 0 form :D. Not really hard to figure that gibbs was our only chance. O i say duminy is shyte my bad. I say kallis is not in the same class as sachin ok once again putting people down. I think amla is not suited to one dayers o noes.

So maybe you see me stating facts and think i am putting Sa down. Dude i have to realistic in life. As much as i want SA to succeed i cannot see how when people like duminy are automatically selected because of one tour like 10 years ago :D. Bosman gets a good looking 29 and they drop him. I hate the chopping and changing, how can we expect to find good solid players when they get dropped after one game while duminy can seemly do nothing wrong. They could have opened with bosman and amla and played gibbs at no 3 and drop duminy but noooooooooooooooooooooooo one good tour and you get selected for the rest of your career no matter how many ducks that entails.

[Mamajyot]

Maybe you should put your specs on and read some of my comments, i only put down players i feel need to be. Maybe read some of my comments, one comment for instance if gibbs goes early we lose (duh most of our batsmen have 0 form :D. Not really hard to figure that gibbs was our only chance. O i say duminy is shyte my bad. I say kallis is not in the same class as sachin ok once again putting people down. I think amla is not suited to one dayers o noes.

So maybe you see me stating facts and think i am putting Sa down. Dude i have to realistic in life. As much as i want SA to succeed i cannot see how when people like duminy are automatically selected because of one tour like 10 years ago :D. Bosman gets a good looking 29 and they drop him. I hate the chopping and changing, how can we expect to find good solid players when they get dropped after one game while duminy can seemly do nothing wrong. They could have opened with bosman and amla and played gibbs at no 3 and drop duminy but noooooooooooooooooooooooo one good tour and you get selected for the rest of your career no matter how many ducks that entails.

seems like everyone thinks ur a troll...........

:D

[killadoob]

Not at all only stephen and that only began since i said kallis is not as good as sachin :D.

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

I second the vote for Jennings. We've tried letting the players run the team and we haven't won any trophies, now lets see how we do with some discipline. A perfect example of how ill disciplined we have become is the way we went from being the best fielding team in the world to a joke. We used to take every opportunity no matter how small and smother the opposition, now we drop simple catches you'd expect U16 players to take.

[JK8]

Maybe you should put your specs on and read some of my comments, i only put down players i feel need to be. Maybe read some of my comments, one comment for instance if gibbs goes early we lose (duh most of our batsmen have 0 form :D. Not really hard to figure that gibbs was our only chance. O i say duminy is shyte my bad. I say kallis is not in the same class as sachin ok once again putting people down. I think amla is not suited to one dayers o noes.

So maybe you see me stating facts and think i am putting Sa down. Dude i have to realistic in life. As much as i want SA to succeed i cannot see how when people like duminy are automatically selected because of one tour like 10 years ago :D. Bosman gets a good looking 29 and they drop him. I hate the chopping and changing, how can we expect to find good solid players when they get dropped after one game while duminy can seemly do nothing wrong. They could have opened with bosman and amla and played gibbs at no 3 and drop duminy but noooooooooooooooooooooooo one good tour and you get selected for the rest of your career no matter how many ducks that entails.

BooHoo, Amlas the next batsmen to make 200 in a ODI!!!

[stefan9]

Bangalore Royals took to him and he took them from last in 2008 to finalists in the 2009 IPL. Jennings got a Super 6's title too. Where's it been proven that professional players don't take to discipline demanding coaches. Quite the contrary. I would imagine it's imperative for professional sportsmen to be kept on the straight and narrow. We know how easily they stray...

The problem with Smith and co is they scared of hard work and thus Jennings.

The late Hansie Cronje felt and believed to be better than the opposition you had to work and train harder than they did. It worked for him and the Proteas team at the time. They were a highly fit and competitive outfit.

Jennings is a coach in the same mould and that's no fun and probably why Smith never liked him or wanted him as coach.. Both are strong headed individuals who speak there mind, quite possible the 2 alpha males couldn't co-exist...


Bangalore improved because they decided to sign some pro 20 players while in ipl 1 there side was made up of test players. The owners finally got it right , lets see what happens in ipl three. Jennings has never managed to stay at any side except for under 19's for a long period. He has fallings out with the senior players at gauteng,easterns and the national side.

There's a difference between a disciplined coach and a coach that treats profesional players like kids.

Maybe what worked for cronje was fixing a few games....

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

I think Amla belongs in the team. You need someone to play the anchor role in most tests. He isn't a big hitter but he can provide stability and build an innings. He may not win a 400 run game for us but he will go a long way towards winning the other games.

[Smooth Criminal]

Maybe what worked for cronje was fixing a few games....
You can only fix games to lose. Fixing games to win would require the consent of the opposition teams, making them equally guilty.

[Morgoth]

No it won't. It has been proven time and again that profesional players do not work with guys who use those methods, school boys yes but grown men do not take kindly to jennings. Also for the record when he had the sa job he only managed a loss in a two test series in india under similiar circumstances to what van zyl and wessels had . So they are already ahead of him.

odd, Imran Khan, Steve Waugh, Hansie, Pieter van der merwe and Clive Lloyd are all captains known for their strict discipline, it is the way to go, and it is very much alive in the authorial SA culture. The times our team were disciplined we achieved a lot more.

teams that suffered under ill discipline captaincy:
SA - Graeme Smith.
Windies - Brain Lara
England - Peterson.

democracy and liberalism doesn't work that well in sport to be honest......either fit in or ****off imho, no matter how good a player they are...

[killadoob]

Suffered with discipline under smith? If i recall Sa has been number in both odi and tests.

Discipline problems with lara? I have no idea what you mean, brian lara was the west indies. without him the west indies would more than likely not have a test status.

[Morgoth]

Suffered with discipline under smith? If i recall Sa has been number in both odi and tests.

Discipline problems with lara? I have no idea what you mean, brian lara was the west indies. without him the west indies would more than likely not have a test status.

erm of which Windies team are we talking about? they didn't lose a test series for 18 years (or something similar, the won 11 in a row) and were the dominating power in world cricket - and then came lara, a good batsmen, a bad captain....

and as for Sa being number one, call it what you like - we played the ausies when they hit a real bad patch, they are still the no1 team regardless of what the stats say...
I challenge you to show me any series where smith has really shown his worth as captain....

winning a series against England and a weakened Aussie side doesn't say much tbh..

[Smooth Criminal]

erm of which Windies team are we talking about? they didn't lose a test series for 18 years and were the dominating power in world cricket - and then came lara, a good batsmen, a bad captain....
They lost really good players without finding suitable replacements. Fidel Edwards is no Curtly Ambrose, Jerome Taylor is no Courtney Walsh etc. The Windies started declining when the bulk of the team left (Hooper, Richardson, Ambrose, Walsh, Adams, Haynes, Simmonds, etc) and they didn't have players with the equivalent skill to replace them. Lara played with some of them before they retired, and was basically one of the few remaining great West Indians.


and as for Sa being number one, call it what you like - we played the ausies when they hit a real bad patch, they are still the no1 team regardless of what the stats say...
I challenge you to show me any series where smith has really shown his worth as captain....
Win in England

[Morgoth]

They lost really good players without finding suitable replacements. Fidel Edwards is no Curtly Ambrose, Jerome Taylor is no Courtney Walsh etc. The Windies started declining when the bulk of the team left (Hooper, Richardson, Ambrose, Walsh, Adams, Haynes, Simmonds, etc) and they didn't have players with the equivalent skill to replace them. Lara played with some of them before they retired, and was basically one of the few remaining great West Indians.

true, but also not entirely true, Richy Richardson was a goodcaptain (not really a player of the Richards/Lloyd standard though) before Lara and brought the Ambroses and the Walshes in the team. Chris Gayle even mentioned in an interview after he won their 1st test in SA that the discipline under the Lara camp was pathetic. Up until 1997 or so they were still a really good team, not as great anymore but they did do far better then they are doing currently.



Win in England

we didn't win the Odi's?

[Smooth Criminal]

t
didn't win the Odi? d
You asked to name any series :P No other SA captain since readmission managed that. How about win in Pakistan? Draw in India (twice)? Win against Pakistan, India, NZ, and basically everyone bar England and Australia in SA? 438 win (to go with the series win)? The team has achieved a lot under him. I may not like the man, but I'll give him credit where it's due.

[killadoob]

erm of which Windies team are we talking about? they didn't lose a test series for 18 years (or something similar, the won 11 in a row) and were the dominating power in world cricket - and then came lara, a good batsmen, a bad captain....

and as for Sa being number one, call it what you like - we played the ausies when they hit a real bad patch, they are still the no1 team regardless of what the stats say...
I challenge you to show me any series where smith has really shown his worth as captain....

winning a series against England and a weakened Aussie side doesn't say much tbh..

Dude they dominated when they had some of the best cricketers in the world, lara was only just beginning when they left if i recall, lara sat with a bunch of WI players that sucked, no good bowling attack and a batting line up that basically rested on lara scoring big which he did more often than not. You can say the callapse of the WI started under lara's captaincy but not because of lara.

imagine losing all your world class players and rubbish replacing them, then imagine blaming lara because he was surrounded by rubbish. Without lara the west indies would have been no better than zimbabwe or kenya. What you are doing with lara is like saying the captain of Bangladesh is their problem and why they suck so bad :D.

Please post me a link of gayle saying that, i find it hard to believe gayle would say anything about one of WI greatest ever batsmen and possibly one of the best to ever grace the game. Link or you are talking shyte :D.

[phoneJunky]

Amla belongs in the team, he looked the most comfortable in middle of all the batsmen and played really positive. I am glad AB stood up, maybe this is the change in his form

[OzzieCapie]

if 90% of the population is right handed, that makes it special that 5 out of the top 10 odi batsmen are left handed?

your argument, and fail... they should meet up....


I never argued that one is superior to the other, I just said that 90% of people are right handed and therefore it would make sense if there are more right handers on the top of the list. But 5 out of ten, then it looks like left handers are more 'special', but there are other stuff to also factor into this.

Yes there are other stuff you guys have overlooked.

The answer is that all those guys in the top ten who are listed as LHB are actually natural righthanders (except Sangakkarra who we don't know)...and Clarke at 15th is RHB, but is a lefthander. Even Warner is right handed and he hits the ball a fair bit lefthanded doesn't he?

What is the importance of that? The reason, as pointed out by Roebuck in an article (and others), is that the 'natural' and most effective way for a righthander to bat is lefthanded...i.e. facing with right side and right hand on top.
The problem that most right handed kids are taught to bat right handed and vice versa.

So the right handers in that list are there despite batting right handed, which skews the proportion back to 50/50...what would they have done as LHB's?

So if you want your kid to get the best chance, put the bat in his 'correct' hand...not necessarily the 'right' hand.

[phoneJunky]

Yes there are other stuff you guys have overlooked.

The answer is that all those guys in the top ten who are listed as LHB are actually natural righthanders (except Sangakkarra who we don't know)...and Clarke at 15th is RHB, but is a lefthander. Even Warner is right handed and he hits the ball a fair bit lefthanded doesn't he?

What is the importance of that? The reason, as pointed out by Roebuck in an article (and others), is that the 'natural' and most effective way for a righthander to bat is lefthanded...i.e. facing with right side and right hand on top.
The problem that most right handed kids are taught to bat right handed and vice versa.

So the right handers in that list are there despite batting right handed, which skews the proportion back to 50/50...what would they have done as LHB's?

So if you want your kid to get the best chance, put the bat in his 'correct' hand...not necessarily the 'right' hand.

Lol, well said. I didn't know of all of this, but I know my cousin is right handed and prefers to bad left handed. Can you maybe give a link to that article, would love to read it.

[Stephen]

Maybe you should put your specs on and read some of my comments, i only put down players i feel need to be. Maybe read some of my comments, one comment for instance if gibbs goes early we lose (duh most of our batsmen have 0 form :D. Not really hard to figure that gibbs was our only chance. O i say duminy is shyte my bad. I say kallis is not in the same class as sachin ok once again putting people down. I think amla is not suited to one dayers o noes.

So maybe you see me stating facts and think i am putting Sa down. Dude i have to realistic in life. As much as i want SA to succeed i cannot see how when people like duminy are automatically selected because of one tour like 10 years ago :D. Bosman gets a good looking 29 and they drop him. I hate the chopping and changing, how can we expect to find good solid players when they get dropped after one game while duminy can seemly do nothing wrong. They could have opened with bosman and amla and played gibbs at no 3 and drop duminy but noooooooooooooooooooooooo one good tour and you get selected for the rest of your career no matter how many ducks that entails.

In the first test which the Proteas won, you tried to make out it was lucky, and were making excuses why India lost.

Forward to the ODI's , you were shouting down people who were trying to make excuses for the Proteas when they lost :erm: :erm:

[The_Pumpkin_King]

choker king kallis failed again :rolleyes:

[killadoob]

Dude i never made excuses for us winning, i said we beat a weakened indian and i said we did it clinically, that is not excuse it was a fact. I said we must not think we are that good and what happened since then? We got thumped in the last test and both odi's, even though the first one was close it should never have been.

I can make an excuse and a valid one for us, smith up front missing is massive loss. I cannot however blame the pitch which looked a batting paradise. You don't seem to like facts very much unless it is in SA favour. You want another valid excuse? Our batsmen are horribly out of form. I cannot blame the conditions. Another excuse since you seem to want them, we are playing duminy which is leaving us a batsmen short.

Hmmm i must go see a client i will come up with more excuses to defend SA along my travels. I don't think getting out played sits well with you, so excuses will be coming later :D

So guys for stephan let's list all the excuses why we are so poor at the moment and not look at the factual problems. gogogogog

[Stephen]

choker king kallis failed again :rolleyes:

? Explain

[alf101]

Dude they dominated when they had some of the best cricketers in the world, lara was only just beginning when they left if i recall, lara sat with a bunch of WI players that sucked, no good bowling attack and a batting line up that basically rested on lara scoring big which he did more often than not. You can say the callapse of the WI started under lara's captaincy but not because of lara.

imagine losing all your world class players and rubbish replacing them, then imagine blaming lara because he was surrounded by rubbish. Without lara the west indies would have been no better than zimbabwe or kenya. What you are doing with lara is like saying the captain of Bangladesh is their problem and why they suck so bad :D.

Please post me a link of gayle saying that, i find it hard to believe gayle would say anything about one of WI greatest ever batsmen and possibly one of the best to ever grace the game. Link or you are talking shyte :D.

If you want to talk about when Windies cricket started to "fail"...

They were renowned for their 4 fast bowlers - aka The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
They liked to bowl short and hurt batsmen, usually bowled at a rate of 12 overs an hour.

Since those days, the rules of cricket changed.
You have to bowl 15 overs an hour.
Only one bouncer per over (changes now and again).
And a few other small changes.

So that tactic ain't gonna work anymore.

Windies haven't come up with anything since those days.

Blaming Lara and Richardson is a bit silly.

[Devill]

Amla belongs in the team, he looked the most comfortable in middle of all the batsmen and played really positive. I am glad AB stood up, maybe this is the change in his form

Jip AB can be the middel order "leader" for another 10 years. I also rate Amla in all formats of the game.

Gibbs failed again :( I hope he shows us the form we saw in the MTN 40 games. He did look in great nick .

[OzzieCapie]

Lol, well said. I didn't know of all of this, but I know my cousin is right handed and prefers to bad left handed. Can you maybe give a link to that article, would love to read it.

Here you go Why the rise of the leftie means it's time for a coaching revolution (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/which-side-are-you-on-why-the-rise-of-the-leftie-means-its-time-for-a-coaching-revolution-20091222-lbtb.html) in SMH of 24/12/09.

In the article the following are used as an example of people batting with opposing hand:

Michael Hussey,Marcus North, Justin Langer,Graeme Wood,John Inverarity,Chris Broad,Ian Gould,Narsingh Deonarine,Shiv Chanderpaul ,Chris Gayle (amongst 12 of the 30 Caribbean cricketers named as candidates for the Aussie tour),Phillip Hughes,Clarke,David Warner, Shaun Marsh,Usman Khawaja ...as are 16 of NSW's 36-man squad...,Ed Cowan,Andrew Strauss, Alastair Cook, Marcus Trescothick,John Edrich, Mark Butcher, Bob Barber,Sourav Ganguly,Sachin Tendulkar (yes -predominantly left-handed),Brian Lara, Larry Gomes, Clive Lloyd, Alvin Kallicharran ,Gary Kirsten, Graeme Smith and Graeme Pollock etc etc

..perhaps there is a batting revolution on the way when coaches catch on. The stronger hand should be on top and facing bowler.

[Smooth Criminal]

Where are all the guys who were calling for AB to be dropped?

[phoneJunky]

Here you go Why the rise of the leftie means it's time for a coaching revolution (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/which-side-are-you-on-why-the-rise-of-the-leftie-means-its-time-for-a-coaching-revolution-20091222-lbtb.html) in SMH of 24/12/09.

Thanks, will read it now.

AB was never going to be dropped, people saying he was in a slump is right, but they are delusional if they think he should go, because he still performed much better then the other out of form batsmen. Averaging 30 and being out of form is really exceptional.

[Mamajyot]

Where are all the guys who were calling for AB to be dropped?

We keeping quite. :D

AB made me eat my words!

Well AB, your century was good in a losing causing!

[killadoob]

Ya AB would never be dropped, i mean if duminy keeps his spot ab has 0 chance of being dropped :D. Ab has been getting starts but not converting them but he is a great player unlike duminy.

[sox63]

Maybe Duminy can copy Dave Warner from the Aussies when it comes to off spinners. :D



Warner said he batted right-handed as a child and during most net sessions he bats right-handed for the last five minutes. He does not want to abandon the switch-hit, which he believes gives him the advantage of being able to hit with the turn regardless of whether an offspinner or a legspinner is operating.

"Last year at The Oval, we had a practice out in the middle and Haury [Nathan Hauritz] was bowling," Warner said. "They were turning square and I got sick of it. I couldn't hit a ball, so I batted right-handed and I started putting him into the stands. That's when Tim Nielsen said to me, 'What's going on here?' So I thought I might as well bring it out in a game. If a spinner is working to a plan to me, why can't I try to counteract it?"


http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/content/current/story/449907.html

[AirWolf]

Looking at the highest scores on the ground they played on yesterday, that score beat the previous record of 289 which was set in 1997:

http://stats.cricinfo.com/indvrsa2010/engine/records/team/highest_innings_totals.html?class=2;id=758;type=gr ound

So something has definitely changed.

[OzzieCapie]

Maybe Duminy can copy Dave Warner from the Aussies when it comes to off spinners. :D

http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/content/current/story/449907.html

Warner is quite wrong about the switch-hit though. The umps gave him a lecture about it being outside the spirit (it is still legal) and his reply was that if bowlers could go over or around wicket he can change his stance.
Quite an incorrect analogy...the bowler has to announce that he is doing that. Warner is doing it while ball is being bowled.

Also, as the umpires said...even if he changes at start of bowlers run-up, the fielding team has set a particular field, and deserve the chance to change that...so if they do, and you keep going left-right ad hoc then the time wasting element comes into play, esp in T-20.

Its about time the ICC made a ruling on this...yes, reverse sweep all you like, but don't change the stance in middle of delivery stride...its unsportsmanlike.

btw...those were his worst shots in the game , so he is better off not doing it anyway.

[alf101]

KP doesn't play it much either

[Devill]

Warner is quite wrong about the switch-hit though. The umps gave him a lecture about it being outside the spirit (it is still legal) and his reply was that if bowlers could go over or around wicket he can change his stance.
Quite an incorrect analogy...the bowler has to announce that he is doing that. Warner is doing it while ball is being bowled.

Also, as the umpires said...even if he changes at start of bowlers run-up, the fielding team has set a particular field, and deserve the chance to change that...so if they do, and you keep going left-right ad hoc then the time wasting element comes into play, esp in T-20.

Its about time the ICC made a ruling on this...yes, reverse sweep all you like, but don't change the stance in middle of delivery stride...its unsportsmanlike.

btw...those were his worst shots in the game , so he is better off not doing it anyway.

The bowler does not warne (Hahahhaa:o) you when they are going to bounce you ;)

Also the bowler can then just bowl it down the "new leg side" and not be wided :D

[Bizkit87]

The bowler does not warne (Hahahhaa:o) you when they are going to bounce you ;)

Also the bowler can then just bowl it down the "new leg side" and not be wided :D

i agree

a leg spinner does not warn you when he is going to bowl the googly/top spinner/straighter one
a quick bowler doesn't warn you when he is going to bowl the slower ball/leg cutter/off cutter etc

if you want to tell a batsmen that, then a leg spinner should bowl only leggies, a quick bowler should only bowl between 130 and 150, etc....

its stupid. do whatever you want....

[killadoob]

Yea it would be funny to see fast bowlers telling the batsmen a slower delivery is coming :D.

[OzzieCapie]

I think you guys are missing the point or taking the piss.

Does a batsman warn you when he's going to charge down the wicket and hit a six...that's just as silly.

A good batsman has time to adjust to any delivery...good ones pick up googly's , flippers, bouncers- how else do they mange to hook it.
A good bowler can do nothing if already committed to bowl a certain ball and the batsman decides to make offside the legside.

As for bowling down 'legside', ...the bowler is already delivering.

The game is already a batsman's game because people want to see runs, when in reality its a contest that keeps you as a fan.

Fair's fait..its unsporting and it shouldn't be allowed just for the sake of entertainment...you can go to circus and also see 'entertainment'.

[killadoob]

Well in no rule book does it say you cannot play inside out. It is not unsporting. The bowler should see the batmen adjusting himself and bowl accordingly. Cricket should be about batting not bowling. We do not want to see a side dominate with the ball, we want runs dammit!!!!!!!! :D

That keeps me coming back. Maybe you should only be allowed to play cricket shots and not slog sweeps. Sounds dull and boring.

[stefan9]

Personally I think the switch hit should be allowed, its great for the game. Also as a bowler I would want the batsmen to play it, its always predeterminded and gives me a great chance to get him out.

[Morgoth]

You asked to name any series :P No other SA captain since readmission managed that. How about win in Pakistan? Draw in India (twice)? Win against Pakistan, India, NZ, and basically everyone bar England and Australia in SA? 438 win (to go with the series win)? The team has achieved a lot under him. I may not like the man, but I'll give him credit where it's due.

but before re admission captains did though!

[killadoob]

but before re admission captains did though!

Did what?

Before admission we could not play any recognized tours.

[OzzieCapie]

Well in no rule book does it say you cannot play inside out. It is not unsporting. The bowler should see the batmen adjusting himself and bowl accordingly. Cricket should be about batting not bowling. We do not want to see a side dominate with the ball, we want runs dammit!!!!!!!! :D

That keeps me coming back. Maybe you should only be allowed to play cricket shots and not slog sweeps. Sounds dull and boring.

Again being silly...slog sweeps and cover drives are played from the position you take up, as are reverse sweeps.

By all means allow it...but then also allow the fielding side to stop and re-arrange field (which by then would be not set in accordance with fielding restrictions), allow the bowler to bowl from behind the umpire, to switch to around wicket at last moment, put ball in left hand and run up as such then bowl righthanded.

Just hitting 4's and 6's and scoring a 1000 runs is meaningless...its the contest you want. The people who come to the slog fests are fans that churn and not stay with the sport...people will get bored with it which is why test cricket will always survive. 20-20 is the current cash cow until the attention span needs to be even further shortened, then we will get hit-and -run.;)


Did what?

Before admission we could not play any recognized tours.

SA was suspended by ICC in 1960. The anglo countries continued to play against them in defiance (so those tests weren't really legitimate), i.e. Aus, NZ and Eng...they didn't play against WI, Ind, Pak etc
People talk of India controlling ICC, but it doesn't have a patch against how the anglo countries ruled then.

The stats of the former players are therefore skewed by that. Pollocks almighty record for example is only over 22 tests against those countries...Richards 4 tests and Bacher still only averaged 30 ish:erm:

[Devill]

I think you guys are missing the point or taking the piss.

Does a batsman warn you when he's going to charge down the wicket and hit a six...that's just as silly.

A good batsman has time to adjust to any delivery...good ones pick up googly's , flippers, bouncers- how else do they mange to hook it.
A good bowler can do nothing if already committed to bowl a certain ball and the batsman decides to make offside the legside.

As for bowling down 'legside', ...the bowler is already delivering.

The game is already a batsman's game because people want to see runs, when in reality its a contest that keeps you as a fan.

Fair's fait..its unsporting and it shouldn't be allowed just for the sake of entertainment...you can go to circus and also see 'entertainment'.

Some of the good ones even switch stances and change grips while the bowler is steaming in. That takes some skill.

[jimmyj]

Yes AB has been underperforming but if we can keep guys like prince and Duminy on then AB is looking like The Don.

AB's last 10 innings: 32; 64; 50; 2; 36; 34; 58; 53; 12; 3. (Average: 34.4)

Funny how he has not really failed. Scoring 2 x 50 in 2 tests is not really failure imo.

Lets look at duminy: 56; 11; 4; 0; 0; 36; 7; 9; 0; 6 (average:12.9)

Ashwell Prince: 45; 0; 2; 16; 0; 15; 19; 0; 1; 23 (Average: 12.1)

Lets look at Dale Steyn: 7; 0; 47; 3; 26; 1*; 1*; 0*; 5; 1 (Average: 13.0)

Tell me again how AB is not good enough please.

Drop Prince, Insert Peterson.



Mamajyot: Either your blind or plain stupid.

Never knew prince and JP were white....

Mamajyot you are a racist.

very disappointed in JP...really had high hopes for him, but he had his chance and its time
for some1 else to have the opportunity...LOOTS

[killadoob]

LOOTS LOOTS LOOTS :D agreed

[alf101]

very disappointed in JP...really had high hopes for him, but he had his chance and its time
for some1 else to have the opportunity...LOOTS

Maybe the next installment of $950 000 from the IPL will cheer JP up.

That is a lot of moolah :( for six weeks work.

[Devill]

Even I will atm and with duminy's form rather include Loots in his place. At the least loots scores his 5 runs from 2 balls and then leaves :p:D

[stefan9]

JP will come right. At the moment his confidence is just shattered. A few good innings for the cobras/mumbia indians and he will be back. Class is permanent and form temporary.

[killadoob]

Even I will atm and with duminy's form rather include Loots in his place. At the least loots scores his 5 runs from 2 balls and then leaves :p:D

By including duminy we go in a batter short, so we may as well include loots, he scored 29 off 18 or something the other day, far better than 0 off 1 :D.

Class is not permanent in duminy's case, class is dependent on money it seems for him

[DenSweep]

Maybe the next installment of $950 000 from the IPL will cheer JP up.

That is a lot of moolah :( for six weeks work.

At a conservative R/$ ROE of R7.50=$1, that works out to approx R2.00 per second, if my maths hasn't failed me on this long, quiet boring Friday.

[Bizkit87]

At a conservative R/$ ROE of R7.50=$1, that works out to approx R2.00 per second, if my maths hasn't failed me on this long, quiet boring Friday.

that money is for 3 years....

[DenSweep]

that money is for 3 years....

"South Africa clinched the Test and ODI series, and he subsequently earned a whopping US$950,000 annual contract with the IPL's Mumbai Indians." Quoted from http://www.bindaaspoll.com/ipl/playersprofile/JP_Duminy.htm

[Stephen]

that money is for 3 years....

I think the fee is for a year, if I interpret this article (i know its about KP but in it its talking about contacts):


He hasn't roused the jealousy of thousands by inking a deal that's worth £1.08m over six weeks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/feb/11/indian-premier-league-kevin-pietersen

[killadoob]

The fee is for the year.

[DenSweep]

Yes well, annual contract being the point.

So, thats approx R2.00 per freaking second. And thats for the whole day. Way more when you consider how short the games actually are. Fine there are practices as well, but even so. Crazy. Look at it like this, when he goes for a crap, and being in India I imagine that could happen often if you sample the local tap water and cuisine, he earns anything from R360 based on a 3 minute dump! Utter madness!

[stefan9]

Its per year if you are available for all the ipl games. Interesting fact for guys who wanted to know why ipl/cl is so important to players. New South Wales when they won the cl last year for that two week span earned as much as the team collectively earned for 6 years of state cricket work. Now remember australian state cricketers earn a lot more than any other provincial cricketers around the world and you will understand why this league is so important to cricketers.

[Mamajyot]

At a conservative R/$ ROE of R7.50=$1, that works out to approx R2.00 per second, if my maths hasn't failed me on this long, quiet boring Friday.

R1.96 to be exact!

[Smooth Criminal]

Lol @ Duminy getting R360 for taking a 3 minute dump. R1200 if he decides to read the newspaper while taking a dump.

[Khanya]

By including duminy we go in a batter short, so we may as well include loots, he scored 29 off 18 or something the other day, far better than 0 off 1 :D.

Class is not permanent in duminy's case, class is dependent on money it seems for him

Like the way you put it. We go a ball shorter, certainly he must be replaced by Loots. 3rd ODI should look like (+ batting order) 1. Bosman 2. Gibbs 3. Kallis 4. de Villiers 5. Peterson 6. A. Morkel 7. Boucher (who can replace this weak link?) 8. Vd Merwe 9. Steyn 10. Parnell. Then Charl can be 11 or?

[Fiekus]

No Sehwag and Tendulkar :(

[silkman]

At least they won the toss...

SA bat..21/0

[sox63]

Amla seems not to be able to rotate the strike regularly...

[Smooth Criminal]

Ya I don't know what this recent fetish is with batting second all the time. It's almost as if there's been no assessment of the pitch and conditions, just win the toss and bat second.