Cricket: South Africa tour to India 2010

[killadoob]

Loots you beauty :D

I wonder what we could have done with loots batting chasing 400 :(. Awesome innings. Why they do not say to him you will play every game i dunno. You can see he has the class to make it.

[sox63]

Great innings by Loots. Hope its enough to keep him in the squad...

[stefan9]

Loots you beauty :D

I wonder what we could have done with loots batting chasing 400 :(. Awesome innings. Why they do not say to him you will play every game i dunno. You can see he has the class to make it.

What class?? He chucked it away again, like he does every innings . No he would not gotten us to 400 since he would have gotten out too soon as always. It was a decent innings today, which he does once every 20 innings.

[Smooth Criminal]

What class?? He chucked it away again, like he does every innings . No he would not gotten us to 400 since he would have gotten out too soon as always. It was a decent innings today, which he does once every 20 innings.

I'd rather have him get 10 off 6 than have Duminy get 0 off 1.

[JK8]

Kallis stuffing up the run rate! Is he to proud to play around Amla? Why doesnt Kallis play more aggressive and allow Amla to play his game?

[R13...]

Kallis stuffing up the run rate! Is he to proud to play around Amla? Why doesnt Kallis play more aggressive and allow Amla to play his game?
Isn't this how Kallis always plays?

[killadoob]

What class?? He chucked it away again, like he does every innings . No he would not gotten us to 400 since he would have gotten out too soon as always. It was a decent innings today, which he does once every 20 innings.

Dude does the moaning never stop, loots hit 68 off 43, do you think he got there playing nice cricket shots? One was going to go wrong, he got us off to a flier which is all we ask. It is not up to loots to score a double ton and lead us to victory, he is there to get a quick fire 40-70 runs, we have other batsmen who should carry on his good start but of course next up was kallis who is a run rate destroyer of note :D.

I would rather have loots scoring a quick 60 than going out for 5, i dunno if i am alone but i think his innings set us up for a big total. Loots you beauty. Give the man some bloody credit!!!!!. Anyone who has anything bad to say about loots innings is just a lamo who does not like him.

Kallis play aggressive? are you mad!!!!!! might mess his stats up.

[Khanya]

Great innings by Loots. Hope its enough to keep him in the squad...

I reckon so. It's enough though to kick JP out.

[Khanya]

Predict your scores: I predict 360.

200 up in +- 35 overs, 8 wickets in hand. We should clear 300, Kallis should accelerate.
Loots can fill up the more senior role if he sets his mind to it. Get a century in 80 balls.

[killadoob]

Yea you don't often get to a century playing big shots all the time so 70 off 40 odd balls is good enough.

[Fiekus]

Pressure getting to Amla...shame he played really well. Pity Kallis didn't take the lead and got going from the other end like Cullinan suggested. One boundary in that knock from Kallis.
Well played Amla, ave in excess of 100 in the 2 knocks so far.... and some people suggests his not suited to the One Day game LOL!!

[killadoob]

For opening when smith is back i don't see a spot for him unless he does not open.

Cannot see smith and amla being a good opening pair. How is his average in excess of a 100? 30 odd in the first and 87 in the second / 2 how do you get a 100?

[Fiekus]

For opening when smith is back i don't see a spot for him unless he does not open.

Cannot see smith and amla being a good opening pair.

why not? Smith is normally aggressive anyway...

[Khanya]

De Villiers performing & impressive as usual.

[Khanya]

365/2, not bad at all. Well done S.A particularly to de Villiers. Hope our bowlers fore!

[Fiekus]

wow well done to Kallis and AB. Back to back hundreds by AB and what a strike rate! Kallis catching up to the balls faced nicely. Gives us a massive chance here. I actually think we may have a better bowl attack with Morne and Tsosobe with Steyn, so expect India to lose by 150+ :)

[phaktza]

wow well done to Kallis and AB. Back to back hundreds by AB and what a strike rate! Kallis catching up to the balls faced nicely. Gives us a massive chance here. I actually think we may have a better bowl attack with Morne and Tsosobe with Steyn, so expect India to lose by 150+ :)

I've been avoiding watching out of sheer embarrassment - I'm glad I can sneak a peak again! :D

[killadoob]

Great batting but let's not forget we beat a weak weak india team. I can already see the WOW we are amazing settings in :D.

[Stephen]

Great batting but let's not forget we beat a weak weak india team. I can already see the WOW we are amazing settings in :D.

Bosman was playing so that makes it a weaker Protea side as well, every slogger can have his day every 20 games or so :D

[killadoob]

Bosman was playing so that makes it a weaker Protea side as well, every slogger can have his day every 20 games or so :D

Have you seen his last few innings?

94
50odd
29
60odd

[Abe]

Have you seen his last few innings?

94
50odd
29
60odd

I really rate Bosman. He never wastes balls and more often then not recently pitches in with at least 30 odd.

[stefan9]

Have you seen his last few innings?

94
50odd
29
60odd

Convenient of you to totally ignore his innings for the dolphins and to cluster pro 20 innings together with 50 over innings.


Dude does the moaning never stop, loots hit 68 off 43, do you think he got there playing nice cricket shots? One was going to go wrong, he got us off to a flier which is all we ask. It is not up to loots to score a double ton and lead us to victory, he is there to get a quick fire 40-70 runs, we have other batsmen who should carry on his good start but of course next up was kallis who is a run rate destroyer of note :D.

I would rather have loots scoring a quick 60 than going out for 5, i dunno if i am alone but i think his innings set us up for a big total. Loots you beauty. Give the man some bloody credit!!!!!. Anyone who has anything bad to say about loots innings is just a lamo who does not like him.

Kallis play aggressive? are you mad!!!!!! might mess his stats up.

When my openers get in in 50 over cricket I expect them to go on and get 100's. 60's are fine for 20 over cricket its not good enough for 50 over cricket. Which bosman can't do, the man has no 100 in list a cricket( domestic 40/45 over cricket).

I see a lot of you guys like to kick JP when he is down, facts still stand that he has more 100's in this format than the great bosman.

I have no issue with bosman opening in the 20/20 side but once smith is back he and amla should open for the 50 over side.


I really rate Bosman. He never wastes balls and more often then not recently pitches in with at least 30 odd.

How much of bosman have you seen?? Pitch in with at least 30?? Then explain the 17 average for the dolphins this season and that fantastic career average of 28.

People can like bosman for his aggresive nature but the guy has a snowball's chance in hell of being a long term success at international level. He is basicly the less talent version of gibbs.

[Smooth Criminal]

Convenient of you to totally ignore his innings for the dolphins and to cluster pro 20 innings together with 50 over innings.
I don't get it - if memory serves, those were the last 4 opportunities that he played to for SA recently. Why should he include innings played for the Dolphins when he has been performing reasonably well for SA? Does the domestic league have any bearing on international cricket? It doesn't mean that if one performs well for their domestic team that they will carry it into international cricket, and vice versa. There are all sorts of factors to consider - different types of players, different conditions, different pitches etc.



When my openers get in in 50 over cricket I expect them to go on and get 100's. 60's are fine for 20 over cricket its not good enough for 50 over cricket. Which bosman can't do, the man has no 100 in list a cricket( domestic 40/45 over cricket).Great, that would mean that Amla failed you today with his 87. After all every opening batsman who gets over 50 goes on to make a 100. And once again you're bringing domestic cricket into the equation.


I see a lot of you guys like to kick JP when he is down, facts still stand that he has more 100's in this format than the great bosman.

Irrelevant when he hasn't contributed with the bat at all this tour, and indeed for the past year. When he is able to play a decent innings for SA again then we won't have an issue with him. And speaking of him being down, funny how he was able to pick himself up when he was shown some $$$.


I have no issue with bosman opening in the 20/20 side but once smith is back he and amla should open for the 50 over side.

Amla's good, but I would like someone who can clear the infield and take advantage of the first 10 (or 15) overs. Be it Bosman or whoever else. I'd be happy with Amla at 3 and Kallis at 4, the same as their established test positions.



How much of bosman have you seen?? Pitch in with at least 30?? Then explain the 17 average for the dolphins this season and that fantastic career average of 28.

People can like bosman for his aggresive nature but the guy has a snowball's chance in hell of being a long term success at international level. He is basicly the less talent version of gibbs.
Again with the domestic cricket argument. Rather stick to watching domestic cricket then, because you seem to dwell on it so much. Let's put things into perspective:

Amla averages 36 in list A and 48 in ODI.
Peterson average 32 in list A and 40 in ODI.

But I guess they suck too because they're not doing as well domestically as they are internationally.

[killadoob]

LOL@stephen, basically everything smooth says is spot on.

No when smith is back amla should drop down the order and bosman smith should open.

Don't worry about jp, once the dollars are flashed at him he will find his form.

[stefan9]

Smith is the man who clears boundaries for SA in the opening overs when he plays. He has shown he can do it and done it countless times for SA and gone on to get hundreds.

On amla and his domestic odi performance. He still has 4 hundreds vs bosman's 0. Also bosman has played 50% more games than hashim then also take into account that almost all of bosman's games where opening while hashim played a lot of his games in the middle order at number 5. He only started opening in odi's in the last two years.

I never rated pietersen so bringing him into this arguement serves no purpose. He has had a decent international start but lets see how he goes over the next year.

But this arguement is pointless you guys like him because he has performed on the few occasions you guys have seen him. I seen quite a bit of his cricket and know he isn't the guy who will have a sustained influence on international cricket.

As for the arguement to have kallis and hashim at number 3 and 4 in odi. That won't work they are too much the same and you need ab in early in odi cricket.

[phoneJunky]

Well, when India got the 400 I always had this uneasy feeling because I knew Smith wasn't there. Smith is a really attacking batsmen and I think having him and Amla opening would be good enough. Amla's strike rate isn't that low and if we just look at his two starts versus India I would classify his first start as aggressive and his second as moderate to aggressive. Loots just doesn't give me that confidance, because in a 400+ game we need someone to go big and as stefan9 said, that won't be Loots.

[OzzieCapie]

When my openers get in in 50 over cricket I expect them to go on and get 100's. 60's are fine for 20 over cricket its not good enough for 50 over cricket. Which bosman can't do, the man has no 100 in list a cricket( domestic 40/45 over cricket).


Stefan,

What is the % of times that openers who go over 50, get to 100?

I guess ODI's must be filled with a lot of useless openers.

[Morgoth]

the fact is, I will rather play bosman then gibs, even if he comes off once every 3 games...when he comes off he can take bowling attacks apart.

[Devill]

Well, when India got the 400 I always had this uneasy feeling because I knew Smith wasn't there. Smith is a really attacking batsmen and I think having him and Amla opening would be good enough. Amla's strike rate isn't that low and if we just look at his two starts versus India I would classify his first start as aggressive and his second as moderate to aggressive. Loots just doesn't give me that confidance, because in a 400+ game we need someone to go big and as stefan9 said, that won't be Loots.

+1. Smith > Bosman

I would however take bosman with to the Sub continent and play him there as he bats a lot better on slow pitches.

[stefan9]

+1. Smith > Bosman

I would however take bosman with to the Sub continent and play him there as he bats a lot better on slow pitches.

I would take him as a squad player but not a starting player.


the fact is, I will rather play bosman then gibs, even if he comes off once every 3 games...when he comes off he can take bowling attacks apart.

When gibbs comes of he gets a 100 in odi cricket. There's a reason he has the most odi 100's for sa.


Stefan,

What is the % of times that openers who go over 50, get to 100?

I guess ODI's must be filled with a lot of useless openers.

Opener are in the best position to get 100's in odi cricket. There's a reason why sachin has gotten all his odi 100's as a opener, he was moved to the opening spot to allow him to get 100's. There is a reason why gibbs has the most sa odi 100's. Why the likes of hayden,gilly,sanath,smith has more 100's then the middle order.

If an opener gets a 100 or an 80 he sets up the side to have wickets in hand and launch for the last 10. If he gets out for 60 he puts the middle order under pressure to consolidate again before they can launch.

With bosman he gives his wicket away in 99.9% of the matches he plays. He doesn't understand the difference between batting in the powerplay and outside it. Like in the last game he had already hit a six that over there was no need to go for another one, its reckless and that sort of thing costs you matches.

[phoneJunky]

Gibbs just have that unpredictability and he can win the game for you. If he comes right he scores big hundreds like the one in the 438 game. With Loots it is if he goes big he scores 60 odd at a very high runrate. But if you only going to score 60 odd runs then you have to do something else in the team aswell. If he could bowl aswell then he would be in a much better posistion.

[Devill]

My Pro20 WC team would be:


Smith
Bosman
Gibbs
AB
Kallis
Morkel
Boucher
Roelf
Parnell
Steyn
Morkel
Amla imo might just not be able to score that 10/over rate but I could be wrng as he showed he is willing to try.

[killadoob]

Geez when did 60 runs upfront become so bad? here i thought scoring 60 fast runs upfront was great.

I am sure there are other batsmen after the openers who can turn those 60 runs into 368, o wait that happened. I mean your opener does not always need to hit a 100, i would rather have bosman scoring runs than gibbs smashing 100 every 15th innings.

Amla should not get a look in for the t20 squad i don't think but then again maybe give him a bash and let's see :D. Ya bosman smith and gibbs at 123 is insane :D pity about number 4 :D.

[phoneJunky]

60 upfront isn't bad, if you get it allot. But if you are going to get 10-20 most of the time, I will rather take the 100 every 15 innings

[killadoob]

Well we will see, bosman is pretty much guaranteed to be our opener in the pro 20 world cup, so we will soon find out what he can do :D.

[alf101]

Bosman is there to give us a good start, yes Amla is a better batsman.
But we need as few guys who can get us off to a good start and get the run-rate up.

Sometimes 30 off 20 balls is better than 50 off 70.

Having 6 Bosmans in your top 6, is bad and having 6 Amla's in your top 6 is also bad.
You need balance.
Unfortunately for Amla, there's enough okes who can bat like him.


Anyhow enough whinging, time for an IPL thread...

[killadoob]

No no alf unless you can hit 100 or more runs as opener you are rubbish, amla hit 87 he is rubbish, bosman's 68 off 42 is also totally rubbish and not the reason we scored 368 :D.

I think openers around the world don't understand that not hitting 100 is a failure.

[phoneJunky]

You know that isn't what stefan9 meant. Anyway, we have allot of talent in this country and it is good that we have so many choices, let's see how it goes. And we don't know all the things happening behind the scenes.

[Devill]

Smith
Bosman
Gibbs
AB
Kallis
Morkel
Boucher
Roelf
Parnell
Steyn
Morkel

What do you guys think of that team?

With that we bat up to 11 (Everyone can hold a bat) and we have 6 bowlers.

[alf101]

What do you guys think of that team?

With that we bat up to 11 (Everyone can hold a bat) and we have 6 bowlers.

Nice team
And Botha?

[Devill]

Nice team
And Botha?

Not in his current form. The same goes for duminy.

[stefan9]

What do you guys think of that team?

With that we bat up to 11 (Everyone can hold a bat) and we have 6 bowlers.

Drop bosman for amla and swap gibbs and kallis and its basicly the side I would pick. Albie though needs to gain form else I may be tempted to pick a finisher like miller ahead of him.

[Morgoth]

in all honesty, gibs is past his due date, I wouldn't pick him for anything past provincial team.

[phoneJunky]

I think he still has one good season in him. He perform well in the local games, hope he can take that form into his international games as well.

[Devill]

Drop bosman for amla and swap gibbs and kallis and its basicly the side I would pick. Albie though needs to gain form else I may be tempted to pick a finisher like miller ahead of him.

I feel amla is not needed in Pro20 as having 20 overs with 10 wickets in hand leads me to rather pick Bosman.

I pro20 if Bosman scores his 40 of 25 or 30 it is a great score. I am not saying amla can not be a Pro20 player I am just saying he will not be in my starting 11.

As to albie, he needs to come in earlier.

[killadoob]

Who in their right mind would pick amla over bosman for pro20 considering bosman scored nearly 150 runs in 2 pro 20 innings for us thus far. Brave man to leave bosman out for amla :D.

Albie should come in during the powerplay overs, maybe number 3. Why can he not handle a nice hard new ball upfront even?

[stefan9]

I feel amla is not needed in Pro20 as having 20 overs with 10 wickets in hand leads me to rather pick Bosman.

I pro20 if Bosman scores his 40 of 25 or 30 it is a great score. I am not saying amla can not be a Pro20 player I am just saying he will not be in my starting 11.

As to albie, he needs to come in earlier.

Sorry my mistake I misread. I though you were talking wc 2011 while instead it was wc 20/20. I would definitly pick bosman above amla for 20/20 cricket.

AS per the other thread this would be my wc 20/20 squad and side:



1.Smith
2.Bosman
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.Gibbs
6.Miller
7.Boucher
8.Parnell
9.Steyn
10.VDM
11.Theron
12.Pietersen
13.Amla
14.A.Morkel
15.M.Morkel

[alf101]

Sorry my mistake I misread. I though you were talking wc 2011 while instead it was wc 20/20. I would definitly pick bosman above amla for 20/20 cricket.

AS per the other thread this would be my wc 20/20 squad and side:



1.Smith
2.Bosman
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.Gibbs
6.Miller
7.Boucher
8.Parnell
9.Steyn
10.VDM
11.Theron
12.Pietersen
13.Amla
14.A.Morkel
15.M.Morkel

Even with 15 players in our side we'll still be able to choke in a final.

[Smooth Criminal]

Even with 15 players in our side we'll still be able to choke in a final.
You're ambitious to think that we'll make the final :P Semi-final chokes are our specialty.

[alf101]

You're ambitious to think that we'll make the final :P Semi-final chokes are our specialty.

We have 15 players in his team, we can make a final, but even with 20 players, we'll lose it.

[stefan9]

Seems I started it an no nobody reads anymore. 15 is the squad members total which you need to pick for the tournament. My main team is numbers 1 - 11 while the others don't play unless there is an injury.

[alf101]

Seems I started it an no nobody reads anymore. 15 is the squad members total which you need to pick for the tournament. My main team is numbers 1 - 11 while the others don't play unless there is an injury.

sure...

[stefan9]

sure...

As you can clearly see I said squad not side.





AS per the other thread this would be my wc 20/20 squad and side:



1.Smith
2.Bosman
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.Gibbs
6.Miller
7.Boucher
8.Parnell
9.Steyn
10.VDM
11.Theron
12.Pietersen
13.Amla
14.A.Morkel
15.M.Morkel

[killadoob]

We have 15 players in his team, we can make a final, but even with 20 players, we'll lose it.

Bwhahahaha very true.

I think stefan you should drop amla, he is not good coming in so low down the order. Although there is a good chance by the 6th over we are 99/12 so he can steady the innings.

[Morgoth]

anyone watching the Zimbabwe vs Windies game? I am really impressed at this Ray Price guy's bowling,