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Peapod
27-05-2005, 09:35 AM
I know we dont all agree with what COSATU do or stand for, but personally I feel they are best placed to take Telkom to task on their labour policy. Perhaps this will spark meaningful debate. Perhaps this will cause COSATU to change their view on telecomms regulations in SA. Perhaps this will be the start of something big. Perhaps I will get taken out by a taxi or a Hellkom van.....

Dear COSATU

Perhaps this information may help you in your endeavours to bring lasting and meaningful change to labour in South Africa.

From the TELKOM United States Securities and Exchange Commission Filing of 2004

Telkom report.....We intend to continue to reduce our fixed-line headcount over the next few years. Our ability to implement optimal employee reductions is limited by South African labor laws. In addition, legal requirements make such reductions costly. We also face pressure from labor unions in South Africa who oppose employee reductions and may encounter resistance from the Government of the Republic of South Africa if the reductions conflict with the Government's social objectives at the time. If we are unable to reduce the number of our fixed-line employees and employee expenses or if significant labor unrest results from implementation of our fixed-line employee reduction program, our ability to compete may be harmed and our net profit could decline.

The government have clearly done nothing (and why should they – they own a large chunk of Telkom. Telkom made over 12 million rand a DAY in 2004, and for the government, revenue is revenue.) Telkom have to date lowered their headcount by around 30 thousand people. This is because they refuse to install or maintain fixed line services in areas where revenues cannot be maximised – in other words, disadvantaged areas. They have a stranglehold on telecommunications and it seems a stranglehold on real development for our nation.

I beg you to take them to task.

In my opinion (and it is shared by many) we have to deregulate Telecomms (initially) in order to break this death grip that Telkom have on our country. The Government is mute, ICASA impotent and Telkom just do what they damn well please.

Please have a look at the forum www.myadsl.co.za and see what over 4000 South Africans feel about the telecoms industry. I don’t think there is an active consumer group as large as this forum. I think we can bring about real change but we need organisations such as yours to actively target those who blatantly get away with actions such as this. It is outrageous that Telkom can make a public statement like this in defence of profit. What happened I wonder to the fixed line operatives who found themselves out of work, back in Alex or Khayelitsha or Mitchells Plain with not even a basic bloody telephone to find another job with? No defence, no recourse, no body to stand up for them because the IMPACT ON PROFIT would be too high!

I remain yours faithfully

Debbie
27-05-2005, 11:00 PM
Once again, GO PEAPOD! Full support from me.

Please, you have to let us know if they reply. Cosatu has been rather quiet on the deregulation issue for some time now (i'm not talking about the retrenchments though). I havent seen an opinion from them in a while, and so I hope (rather optimistically) that their views on liberalisation have changed in the past two years or so.

What I think Cosatu needs to realise is that, with regards to labour, Telkom is acting as if it is in a competitive market anyway. Further liberalisation will not accelerate nor decline the rate of retrenchments. Telkom is aiming for maximum efficiency regardless of what the industry structure is like (unless, of course, there are secret agreements between the govt and Telkom about labour policies).

If Cosatu has by now abandoned this whole "liberalisation will cause a great loss of jobs" attitude, maybe they can now start catering to the other needs of their constituents - namely, affordable telecoms services.

arf9999
27-05-2005, 11:31 PM
At the risk of angering the socialists and proto-communists out there in forum land, I just have to say that COSATU are their own worst enemy.

Their continued arguments against market liberalisation, less stringent labour laws and for more government interference in international trade are only going to cause more job losses in the future when those industries collapse under their own uncompetitive weight. COSATU needs to realize that their members *are* the priveleged - they are employed, and rather than arguing about how many jobs are going to be lost because their industries are not globally competitive, they should be finding ways to improve productivity to ensure economic growth. Good economic growth (>7%) means more jobs....simple.

2 cents from a laissez faire libertarian (or capitalist pig, depending on your viewpoint)

Debbie
28-05-2005, 12:24 AM
arf999, exactly. Now Pinky, to make the government more comfortable with the idea that liberalisation in the long term actually creates jobs..

DragonLogos
28-05-2005, 01:07 AM
You might want to look at thier posts made in early 2001

Debbie
28-05-2005, 01:11 AM
Posts?

Are you talking about the public opinions/comments/dicussion documents from 2001 (on their website)? I think I've read most of their stuff from that 'era'. Can't seem to find much recent stuff though.

DragonLogos
28-05-2005, 01:15 AM
The Beatles had a song...

You know my name... look up the number

The truth is out there :)

Debbie
28-05-2005, 01:29 AM
What The Heck??

DragonLogos
28-05-2005, 01:31 AM
Look in the month Feb (2001)

Debbie
28-05-2005, 01:48 AM
Um, what? Are we still talking about Cosatu? Their website? What section? I'm confused :(

Debbie
28-05-2005, 01:50 AM
Ok, nevermind, I trawled through a bunch of papers Cosatu has dated Feb 2001 and finally found I think you are referring to :)

Debbie
28-05-2005, 01:55 AM
This is like a Da Vinci Code treasure hunt.

DragonLogos
28-05-2005, 01:56 AM
Check your PM :)

LoneGunman
28-05-2005, 08:11 AM
I think 'unions' are a great force, but we're fairly unused to the idea of
'unions' in this country. At least Unions that represent all of us in our different
jobs.

Unions are there to help all of us fight for better pay, working conditions and security
against the whims of Corporations and companies who - without Unions - would hire
and fire us, and hunt for the cheapest labour they could find to work for them, without
any regard for the law or common decency.

The biggest mistake COSATU and others made, was to get into bed with the
Government. Unions need to be totally independent and willing to cause mayhem and
grief at whoever the Government is, in order to get listened to and its demands met.

So even though the Media is indirectly trying to make people think Cosatu is just a
bunch of noisy rabble (because it suits the Media to have the public not fully
'understand' that once we're all unionized in our various professions, we have a power
and a support system that can fight for us, against Corporations and Government -
who ultimately don't like Unions.)

They don't like the idea that us workers can actually present a united front and
achieve real change.

Look at France and its Unions, for instance. The Government and Corporations there
have learned to treat its workers very cautiously - coz if one Union decides to strike,
the other unions join in in sympathy, and the society is shut down.

End result of this worker-power, is that the ruling Government and Companies tread
very carefully with what they do.

Compare that to here, where Government and Corporations do pretty much whatever
they like. And although we complain and bitch, we have no real power to change
anything.

To say that 'well you can vote in a politician to do what you want' - is
to buy into the idea of handing over responsibility to someone else to effect
social change. Bollocks.
As Dr Phil would say, when looking at South Africa, and the idea that
politicians can follow the demands of the public and effect change - 'how's
THAT working for you?'
:)
But a Union allows us to effect that change ourselves.

Unions CAN change things. The sooner we all are part of strong independent Unions in
our respective professions, the sooner we will have the muscle to make
this Government (and Companies) answer to us, and stop whatever behaviour we don't
like.

Until then, we're pretty much scr*wed.

So .... All power to the Unions :)

arf9999
28-05-2005, 03:30 PM
So .... All power to the Unions :)
pinko.