Opera Mini approved for iPhone

[Synaesthesia]

Just saying, it's here. Go check da App Store. It's not very iPhone-like, nor as smooth as Safari at all! But you save bandwidth so yay!:D

[adsl3g]

installed it and not impressed. how much bandwidth does it save??

[bex.cpt]

installed it and not impressed. how much bandwidth does it save??

You can disable alot of features that you cant in Safari and you can access WAP sites instead of the full site. I am still glad I sold my iPhone :p

[Synaesthesia]

installed it and not impressed. how much bandwidth does it save??80-90%. Quite a lot.
@bex. You can just type go to WAP sites in Safari. Instead of going to facebook.com, just type in m.facebook.com. Etc etc.

[saneleg1]

Hi guys,

Need help i can't seem to find opera mini app when search for using my Iphone 3G.

[Synaesthesia]

It's right there in the US Store. (link (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/opera-mini-web-browser/id363729560?mt=8))

Here's a tutorial on creating a US iTunes Account. http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showgallery.php/cat/797

[WiT8litZ]

Must say I am not that impressed.

It feels bulky, it is unresponsive on the tabs, it feels like it is trying to make a statement with it's own set of UI rules instead of using iPhone guidelines and standard practices, and overall is just overrated.

Also Gmail is *ALOT* better on Safari than Opera Mini. There is no comparison.

[Synaesthesia]

Well Safari is just awesome.

[bex.cpt]

80-90%. Quite a lot.
@bex. You can just type go to WAP sites in Safari. Instead of going to facebook.com, just type in m.facebook.com. Etc etc.

i am well aware but some sites just would not let me goto the WAP version or worse some sites are purely wap. That was not the only reason I rid myself of the Steve Jobs curse (lets leave that for another day) :D

[Aqua_lung]

Sweeeet!

[Synaesthesia]

80-90%. Quite a lot.
@bex. You can just type go to WAP sites in Safari. Instead of going to facebook.com, just type in m.facebook.com. Etc etc.

i am well aware but some sites just would not let me goto the WAP version or worse some sites are purely wap. That was not the only reason I rid myself of the Steve Jobs curse (lets leave that for another day) :DPity I'm intrigued now!

[bwana]

Must say I am not that impressed.
Me neither - I think its rubbish on the Blackberry and not that much better on the iPhone.

[Aqua_lung]

its a bit sluggish, but for disabling images and saving bandwidth it's great.

[SlinkyMike]

It's fast for sure and the tabbing is genuine in that it does not simply reload a page when you switch back to the tab.

Beyond that ...meh.

[thed33p]

I think it's brilliant! Will definitely use it for everyday browsing on the phone.

Lightning fast
less bandwidth

What more do you want, really?

[FiestaST]

The App runs great,fast and feels lightweight,,took a long time but great to finally see it on iPhone

[fxit_man]

Not impressed.. the zoom thing is crap! loads half of some pics... :/

good start i guess but they should have fixed this stuff before releasing..

[Pooky]

So many mixed reviews all around the web.

[thed33p]

I'm sure it will be improved quickly - looky here (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=521381)

[WiT8litZ]

its a bit sluggish, but for disabling images and saving bandwidth it's great.

Only reason to use it sometimes indeed

[DION786]

y,.. looks like they attempted to speed things up,. but really,. safari does the trick nicely,. i suppose saving pages could be nice,.
i have mods on my safari like image block etc so i can get it to work for me,..
i prefer the graphics on safari anyhow,..

I think apple did a good jb sealing off their software suppliers,. read a lot about it,. regards os updates etc,.. Watch opera stop working each time you update os,..

Also,. if they still use their server story,. hmmm,. i prefer my own line,..

Also,.. why not a regular opera,. as in the symbian app,. why a mini??? mini sucked,.. was useful for ****e fones,.
i mean,. the iPhone a star player,. no need for a crappy browser,.. i have tried nearly every browser out there on the iphone and safari beats them all,..

i don't even use safari on my mbp,. i don't like it,. firefox the king,.. so really for me to like safari at all is saying something,..

[Seeyou]

As I thought, it turns out Opera compresses your web pages by making the requests through their own servers first, compressing the response, and then sending it to you. While this may speed up international sites, it seems to be horrendously slow for local SA sites - so if most of your browsing is local, you're better off sticking to Safari.

[Vegeta]

Shut up and save you iphone whores!

[thed33p]

Also,.. why not a regular opera,. as in the symbian app,. why a mini??? mini sucked,.. was useful for ****e fones,.
i mean,. the iPhone a star player,. no need for a crappy browser,.. i have tried nearly every browser out there on the iphone and safari beats them all,..


Apple's licensing terms EXPLICITLY FORBID using any kind of generic interpreters, including the JavaScript interpreter required for browsers to actually work properly (like Safari.) Full Opera would thus be dependent on a JavaScript interpreter.

The work around with Opera Mini is simply to render the page server side and serve you the pre-rendered page. This approach is the ONLY reason that the app was approved in the first place. This is also the reason why no other browsers exist for the iPhone.

As a side note, Opera Mini should not be used for https connections as security could be compromised at the opera proxy point, also because of this approach.

[thed33p]

As I thought, it turns out Opera compresses your web pages by making the requests through their own servers first, compressing the response, and then sending it to you. While this may speed up international sites, it seems to be horrendously slow for local SA sites - so if most of your browsing is local, you're better off sticking to Safari.

The reasons for OM's speed is 2 fold:

1) As you said, images and dynamic content are rendered server side and passed you you with a selected level of compression - This also means that the browser doesn't have to load all the code for a page - just the results. (This is also why forward and back is so fast)
2) 3G is a high latency connection. With Safari, a complex page will have one component calling the next one (eg. the html calls the css etc) and each of these requires a session so your latency is compounded many times for one page. With Opera, the latency is only experience once as there is a single session established to the Opera Mini Proxy

[Rouxenator]

I wonder if they will release Opera Mobile for the iPhone as well? Either way it is great to see the iPhone slowly catching up with the rest. Opera Mini has been available for cheap Series 40 Nokia phones since 2006 and it really flies on Symbian 9.4 touch devices with their bigger-than-iPhone nHD screens.


Apple's licensing terms EXPLICITLY FORBID using any kind of generic interpreters, including the JavaScript interpreter required for browsers to actually work properly...

OK - so there goes the idea for having the smartphone flavor of Opera (Opera Mobile) on the iPhone.... I guess this also means that unlike all other phones running Opera Mini/Mobile the iPhone edition will get a big fat FAIL in Acid3 tests ?

[Synaesthesia]

Opera Mobile won't come to the iPhone or iPad. Ever.

Opera Mini can't really execute Javascript. Everything is processed in Opera's servers then sent to you as a compressed image.

[Rouxenator]

So it will do this :
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo140/rouxenator/Random/Scr000006.jpg
Opera Mini 5.0.18635 (Java)

But not this :
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo140/rouxenator/Random/Scr000004.jpg
Opere Mobile 10.00 (Symbian)

Come to think of it - is there any way to get 100 in acid3 on an iPhone?

[Synaesthesia]

Come to think of it - is there any way to get 100 in acid3 on an iPhone?
Yes, just run the latest iPhone OS. An iPhone getting 100 in Acid3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lc_Y6JjH2s
Happy now?

[bwana]

Come to think of it - is there any way to get 100 in acid3 on an iPhone?Yes, just by going to acid3.acidtests.org in safari.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=4441

[Rouxenator]

:cool: - thats 1 down and 99 to go :p

[SlinkyMike]

Been using it for a day or two and honestly: FAIL.

Each time I have used it I have ended up going: Home->Safari.

Opera for the iPhone is more like 'Opera for Windows Mobile ...in the iPhone.'

It isn't built like an iPhone app, its buggy and ugly looking (tab interface looks more like tab-hatchet face) and as far as I can see Operass runs java by reloading the page, the 'fullscreen view' is an aberration and 'mobile view', welll... POS. Deleted.

[Rouxenator]

Agreed - I use Opera Mobile instead.
Whoops - can't touch that !

[Synaesthesia]

Safari Mobile = Android Browser > Opera Mobile. Webkit FTW.

[Aqua_lung]

Opere Mobile 10.00 (Symbian)

Come to think of it - is there any way to get 100 in acid3 on an iPhone?

Epic Fail. trawling us to give you a free iphone aint gonna work.