Cricket - ICC Twenty20 World Cup 2010

[Khanya]

Maybe here's Kallis' issue: STATISTICS 'atleast I got a 50!' So what? Who gives a damn about your 50! I actually praise oakes like de Villiers, with 31 off 15.

Old man, stats are not something worthy to note in 20/20! It's the strike rate! Get it!
I'm trying to find a list of S.A's batsman strike rates.

[Abe]

The flippin dude relaxed before he got 50, why didn't he smack the ball at 20? No he ventured for singles, thus we wasted/lost balls and in the end didn't have enough to knock the total score and earn a win.

Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't so easy batting in the first 8 overs. Please give me the name of one batsmen in the match who managed to hit the ball around in the first 8 overs? It's not about being lucky or not, some wickets are more difficult to bat on then others.

[Sting]

Please take your "Drop Kallis" arguments to this thread - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?227757-T20-Kallis-v-Gibbs

Next game is about to start - Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwe.

[Khanya]

I use the word 'predictably,' anyways what does the mere fact that he had something close to 10 overs resemble? We had to go 9.5/RPO from the onset, and the poor guy goes at 6.7-6.9/RPO (overall)!

[Sting]

I use the word 'predictably,' anyways what does the mere fact that he had something close to 10 overs resemble? We had to go 9.5/RPO from the onset, and the poor guy goes at 6.7-6.9/RPO (overall)!

Game is over. We lost. Live with it.

[Khanya]

Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't so easy batting in the first 8 overs. Please give me the name of one batsmen in the match who managed to hit the ball around in the first 8 overs? It's not about being lucky or not, some wickets are more difficult to bat on then others.

We actually don't know. Because he was busy consuming the damn balls in those prior over 10 overs!
No matter how the wicket is, you can still connect for a maximum. Other batsman showed that, and him too in latter stages of his innings. Which was too little too late.

[Abe]

When you are 1 wicket down in the 11th over and only have a RR of 6 how can you blame bowlers for the loss i wonder?

So every wicket is the same? There are 150 run wickets, 160 run wickets, 200 run wickets and 100 run wickets. The wicket was slow to bat on, the ball was not coming on to the bat. Have you even played cricket before or are you just a couch player?

If we had 11 Kallis' in the side we would have won. Fact. He went for 7.5 to the over (150 total) and scored at over 135% (total of 166).

[Sting]

We actually don't know. Because he was busy consuming the damn balls in those prior over 10 overs!
No matter how the wicket is, you can still connect for a maximum. Other batsman showed that, and him too in latter stages of his innings. Which was too little too late.

Game is over. We lost. Live with it.

[Abe]

We actually don't know. Because he was busy consuming the damn balls in those prior over 10 overs!
No matter how the wicket is, you can still connect for a maximum. Other batsman showed that, and him too in latter stages of his innings. Which was too little too late.

Which of the 7 batsmen who faced the opening 8 overs for both India and SA managed to get more then a run a ball in those overs or was everyone else unlucky and only Kallis too slow?

[lilggg]

Its never over till Graeme smith sings.

[Sting]

Sril Lanka won toss and batting first - 14 without loss after 1st over.

[Khanya]

Ay, I'm merely putting most of the blame on Kallis, (and in my posts I've mentioned why). More than Bosman and Smith!
Nuff said...

[Khanya]

Funny though. You expect Dilshan to fire. But it's his opposite end who is. 24/0, 2 overs. Wicket lost, 24/1.

[Stephen]

Sri Lanka 24/1

[Abe]

Its never over till Graeme smith sings.

lol - That puts a scary image in my mind.

[Stephen]

Well i want people like Killa, JK8 and Khanya, for there opinion on these players for 20/20

Kevin Pietersen
Gambhir
Raina
Ponting
Michael clarke
M hussey

[Sting]

Jayawardena going like a rocket!!

[killadoob]

Abe my last comment and it is more a question but did the pitch change when kallis smashed those last few deliveries? Did it suddenly become a batting paradise or what? Could it be he just never tried to smash the ball?

Regardless whether i have ever played pro cricket or not i still cannot understand why he is scared to lose his wicket and happy to sit back while the run rate climbs outta control :(.

Mahela Jayawardene (rhb) 48 25 6 3 192.00 14 (9b) 38 (21b) 25 570 81 27.14


That is the way and kallis is well capable of it.

[Abe]

Abe my last comment and it is more a question but did the pitch change when kallis smashed those last few deliveries? Did it suddenly become a batting paradise or what? Could it be he just never tried to smash the ball?

The ball gets older and reacts differently off the pitch. No movement, etc which makes it easier to hit.

[Abe]

Jayawardena going like a rocket!!

He is motoring. Can see him getting a hundred at this rate as he is hitting it cleanly.

[lilggg]

OR...OR...he got his 50 so decided his stats were good enough and took some chances.

[lilggg]

Was hoping for a nice upset here,or at least a close game.Doesnt look like it.I mean We did beat sri lanka in the warm up,so this should be a breeze for zimbabwe.

[killadoob]

OR...OR...he got his 50 so decided his stats were good enough and took some chances.

I think that is it for sure. Stats then team for kallis.

[Khanya]

Great players. Although I detest Clarke! He's the Kallis of Australia.
Gambir - Strikes the ball
Kevin - Err... Maybe he's another Kallis, Clark class
Ponting - Plays all formats great, even 20/20
Hussey - Say wha, the big hitter?
Raina - He just showed his potential in the last match, otherwise I'd include him in that class too.

[Stephen]

Great players. Although I detest Clarke! He's the Kallis of Australia.
Gambir - Strikes the ball
Kevin - Err... Maybe he's another Kallis, Clark class
Ponting - Plays all formats great, even 20/20
Hussey - Say wha, the big hitter?
Raina - He just showed his potential in the last match, otherwise I'd include him in that class too.

Well actual fact they are all rubbish especially Gambhir, they all should be dropped from there respective teams

[Khanya]

Hmmm... Ponting is captain, + plays well.
How is a big hitter like Hussey s'pose to be dropped? Look at Gambhir's (all) IPL form. Raina is coming along nice.

[lilggg]

I hope WI can give england a good ol hiding.

[lilggg]

DROPPED,come on ;/

[Stephen]

Hmmm... Ponting is captain, + plays well.
How is a big hitter like Hussey s'pose to be dropped? Look at Gambhir's (all) IPL form. Raina is coming along nice.

Well to go by the criteria set by the likes of Killa, JK8, ilggg and yourself they are absolute rubbish and once again especially Gambhir (who is ghastly)

[lilggg]

Lol,i think you should be dropped.And why are we still talking bout SA cricket.

[lilggg]

South Africa beating West Indies,oh wait..its england.

[CHURCHILL]

Similar to the hiding sa got yesterday???

[Sting]

Sri Lanka bt Zimbabwe (Duckworth-Lewis)

England batting against West Indies. England batting, but so far all SA lineup (Lumb, Kieswetter, Pietersen)!!!!

[killadoob]

Insane start by england.

Massive total coming. I wanted to go to bed early but the thought of gayle batting has me wondering hmmmmmmmmmm :D

View dismissal MJ Lumb b Gayle 28 18 4 0 155.55

View dismissal C Kieswetter† lbw b Miller 26 14 1 3 185.71

Now that is what openers are there for!!!!

[Sting]

Rain has juiced the pitch up a bit; should be better for batting as well !!

[CHURCHILL]

This all "SA line" up is getting a bit old.
These guys have dual citizenship, ie: they are English/South African.
They have chosen who they would rather represent.

[killadoob]

Now they have the advantage of relaxing building a goodish total and going bos last few overs. First 6 overs you have to score fast runs i reckon even if you lose 2 or 3 doing it.

Church just ignore it dude, it also annoys me as well.

[Sting]

This all "SA line" up is getting a bit old.
These guys have dual citizenship, ie: they are English/South African.
They have chosen who they would rather represent.

Hehehe, sensitive are you? Just had a few drops of rain here in PE!!

[lilggg]

They were born here so they are south african.I hope kallis is watching.

[CHURCHILL]

So if you and your wife are in China for holiday and yor kid is born, would you consider your child Chinese?

[Sting]

So if you and your wife are in China for holiday and yor kid is born, would you consider your child Chinese?

No; unlucky!!

[Sting]

South African out, Irishman in.... :twisted:

[killadoob]

Ouch england in the kuk :D

Peterson been out of form for what 2 years now or something like that?

[CHURCHILL]

Damn South Africans.. ;)

[CHURCHILL]

Lol..

[Devill]

They were born here so they are south african.I hope kallis is watching.

Yes I am sure he envies all these guys that can hit 3 of 7 balls or pull a loots and "tonk" 8 from only 14 balls.....

[killadoob]

200 anyone?

[Sting]

200 anyone?

Nah...

[killadoob]

Wow what an awesome score, not sure it will be enough if gayle gets going.

Amazing that pro 20 is only 20 overs long, means you have plenty of wickets to lose and you can recover!!!!!! take note kallis you can be 94/4 and finish on 191 :D. Risky cricket pays off dammit!!!!!!

Come gayle you beauty!!!!!!!!! bring it!!!!!!!!!

[Abe]

Just for interest sake, England were 115/4 after 15 overs and SA were 110/1 after 15 overs. the biggest difference between the two sides?

A Rampaul over of 27.

[Abe]

take note kallis you can be 94/4 and finish on 191 :D. Risky cricket pays off dammit!!!!!!

Risky cricket could well have back fired against Eng. Both England and SA had roughly the same scores after 15 overs with SA having 3 more wickets in hand.

[killadoob]

Just for interest sake, England were 115/4 after 15 overs and SA were 110/1 after 15 overs. the biggest difference between the two sides?

A Rampaul over of 27.

Yup and if the west indies bring it home? Then what? What was the biggest difference? You can be damn sure the west indies won't be sitting with a 6 RR after 10. They will either be in massive trouble or up with the run rate.

Abe england was not chasing they did not know what RR they were chasing did they? Could they see a RR?

So let's use this as an example abe. Pretty similar situation to last night, england should not have got 191, one big over got them there. Let's see how the west indies approach their poor bowling performance as opposed to how we went about it.

[sand_man]

Yup and if the west indies bring it home? Then what? What was the biggest difference? You can be damn sure the west indies won't be sitting with a 6 RR after 10. They will either be in massive trouble or up with the run rate.

Abe england was not chasing they did not know what RR they were chasing did they? Could they see a RR?Game over, Windies won't get within 10 runs of the England total... Guaranteed...

[Abe]

Game over, Windies won't get within 10 runs of the England total... Guaranteed...

This is a much better batting wicket then yesterday. I think Windies have a good chance.

[killadoob]

Game over, Windies won't get within 10 runs of the England total... Guaranteed...

Cool let's see :D. Hope they do because i want to watch a good game but we shall see. West indies got a power line up i reckon.

Abe the track may be better for batting but intent can be seen a mile away on any pitch and kallis showed no intent in 10 overs. Let's see if the west indies decide that is the best way to win i mean lose

[sand_man]

Bah, rain...

[killadoob]

:( pity. But what a start. Making use of those opening six very well :D. Plodding singles in the opening 6 you must be on crack?

Hope it gets going again, gayle looking supreme :D

[Abe]

:( pity. But what a start. Making use of those opening six very well :D. Plodding singles in the opening 6 you must be on crack?

Ok, you don't seem to get this:

India vs SA. Number of batsmen who managed to get faster then a run a ball in the first 6 overs from both sides (0 out of 7)

Eng vs WI. Number of batsmen who managed to get faster then a run a ball in the first 6 overs from both sides (so far 5 out of 5)

You notice a trend here? Maybe, just maybe, the wickets may be different.

[AirWolf]

End of over 4 (7 runs) India 21/1 (RR: 5.25) KD Karthik 14* (14b 2x4) JA Morkel 1-0-7-0
SK Raina 5* (9b) M Morkel 1-0-5-0


4.1
M Morkel to Raina, 1 no ball, caught at mid-off but it's a no ball Raina moves outside leg but yet again finds no power in the shot. He was unable to adjust to the extra bounce and couldn't knife through the line .. he ended up lobbing it towards mid-off and the fielder rushed in to take a good diving 'catch'

:whistle:

[killadoob]

Ok, you don't seem to get this:

India vs SA. Number of batsmen who managed to get faster then a run a ball in the first 6 overs from both sides (0 out of 7)

Eng vs WI. Number of batsmen who managed to get faster then a run a ball in the first 6 overs from both sides (so far 5 out of 5)

You notice a trend here? Maybe, just maybe, the wickets may be different.

Maybe just maybe the mentality is different. There will always be an excuse for SA and kallis :D. Our batting is never a problem, always the pitch or bowlers.

I just had the most disturbing thought, what if it rains and only 6 or 7 are played and we bat first against afghanistan, we will lose because we batted so slow.

[Abe]

Maybe just maybe the mentality is different. There will always be an excuse for SA and kallis :D. Our batting is never a problem, always the pitch or bowlers.

So 4 Indian batsmen and 3 SA batsmen are cr.p and 3 English batsmen and 2 Windies are good? Nice to know it's not just Kallis that is lousy now, its a third of the Indian batting line up and the SA top 3.

Funny, SA has a 3-1 record against both England and Windies in 20/20.

[sand_man]

Game over, Windies won't get within 10 runs of the England total... Guaranteed...So I was right... :p

[lilggg]

lol,england got totally pwned by duckworth.28 off 19 with 10 wickets in hand compared to 191 in 20.

[lilggg]

Haha,if i were england id be pretty pissed off,WI wud nevewr have got that score.

[LancelotSA]

Haha,if i were england id be pretty pissed off,WI wud nevewr have got that score.

Part payback for what happened to us in 1992 ;)

[lilggg]

Just gotta hope ireland beat them now.

[Sting]

Today's games:

New Zealand v Zimbabwe (15h15)
England v Ireland (19h15)

Must win games for NZ and England!

[killadoob]

What are you okes on about west indies got 60 runs off 6 overs, more than the RR. How exactly was england robbed?

[Sting]

What are you okes on about west indies got 60 runs off 6 overs, more than the RR. How exactly was england robbed?

Was thinking the same. WI won the toss, knew there was rain about and chose to field first. They gambled and won.

[CHURCHILL]

What are you okes on about west indies got 60 runs off 6 overs, more than the RR. How exactly was england robbed?

I doubt WI would have kept that RR going for a full 20 overs, Gail and Chanderpaul could have lost their wickets by the 5 over, you never know. To come back after the rain delay and have to defend 30 runs from 22 balls is is a bit harsh, but hey , thats the DWL method for you.

[killadoob]

Well you cannot be sure the west indies could not maintain it. How do you know chanderpaul never went on to hit a ton? Speculation and cannot see how someone can predict the future.

[CHURCHILL]

Well you cannot be sure the west indies could not maintain it. How do you know chanderpaul never went on to hit a ton? Speculation and cannot see how someone can predict the future.

Thats just it, Gail and Chanderpaul could have gone on to make a ton, but then could of also lost their wickets by over number 5, if it was not for the rain/ DWL result, i reckon this would have been a cracker of a game to watch, i would have still fancy'd England for the win though.

[killadoob]

Well it could have gone either way. They should make it a minimum of 10 overs for a game to be played i think. Also they should have reserve days for matches to be played if affected by rain.

Actually considering this is t20 they should bloody well play in the rain :D. I mean you check soccer players and rugby players playing in horrible conditions, would make it very interesting indeed :D.

[Snoob]

How many South Africans are there not playing for SA in this world cup?

[killadoob]

None.

[Devill]

Well you cannot be sure the west indies could not maintain it. How do you know chanderpaul never went on to hit a ton? Speculation and cannot see how someone can predict the future.

Well imo chanderpaul


Thats just it, Gail and Chanderpaul could have gone on to make a ton, but then could of also lost their wickets by over number 5, if it was not for the rain/ DWL result, i reckon this would have been a cracker of a game to watch, i would have still fancy'd England for the win though.

Same, with clouded weather and england having 3 swing bowlers it would have been a tough ask, NOTE: not impossible but tough.


Well it could have gone either way. They should make it a minimum of 10 overs for a game to be played i think. Also they should have reserve days for matches to be played if affected by rain.


Agree 100%.

[Sting]

Zimbabwe batting first - must win or they go home.

[lilggg]

Id rather have every team play each other in the world cup,instead of the stupid IPL.Same format as IPL for world cup.I mean did any1 really care who won the IPL?And it went on for so long.Every team plays each other,semi final best of 3 legs,final best of 3 legs.There is no way to say the best team never won.

[lilggg]

Nice start for zim,see if they can keep it up.

[lilggg]

*sigh* why do they always screw it up.

[Sting]

Off with a bang and then down to earth with a bump!!! 62-5 in 9th over.

[lilggg]

72 - 7 ;/

Make that 74 - 8
and make that 74 - 9

[Sting]

Zim imploding.... 74-9

[AirWolf]

84 all out in 15.1 overs ...

NZ playing test match cricket in the run chase.

[Sting]

NZ ahead on D/L method - rain stopped play!

[lilggg]

england 50 - 4 lol

[Sting]

Go Ireland!!!

[Khanya]

Morgan / Wright - Explosive Combination.

[lilggg]

If irelands batting was a bit better i might have given them a chance.

[Sting]

England will probably end up with 140-ish.

[lilggg]

Another one 109 - 6 ,8 balls left.

[Sting]

England will probably end up with 140-ish.

Minus 15 !!!

[lilggg]

Lol,too late to change.

minus 20 maybe.

[Sting]

Lol,too late to change.

minus 20 maybe.

:p don't see your score prediction! :whistle: And not NOW!!!

[lilggg]

Hey i said minus 20 b4 the end lol.

Hope ireland bat with their heads,6 an over shud be easy.

[lilggg]

PISS OFF RAIN!!

Who will qualify if its rained out?

[Sting]

whahahaha - will be justice if England lose to Ireland on D/L method!

[LancelotSA]

whahahaha - will be justice if England lose to Ireland on D/L method!

Ha ha yeah I mentioned to lilgig when they lost the other day to D/L that it was part payback for 1992... another one would make the payback sweeter! ;)

[lilggg]

hmm 5 over game they will need 35 to win.

[Abe]

Maybe just maybe the mentality is different. There will always be an excuse for SA and kallis :D. Our batting is never a problem, always the pitch or bowlers.

Eng 120 off their 20 overs. Think they must be useless today because it's obviously not the pitch.

[lilggg]

And england beat us in the warm up,more justice.It's gonna be a *** tournament if it's going to rain every day ;/

[Sting]

Ha ha yeah I mentioned to lilgig when they lost the other day to D/L that it was part payback for 1992... another one would make the payback sweeter! ;)

I was playing in a cricket tournament in Bloem when that happened. I can remember how peed off I was, so I can imagine how the England fans will feel if they lose this one as well! Payback is a biaatch!

[CHURCHILL]

Lol... Now that England is struggling. Why is no one commenting on all the "SA" players in the team.

[Sting]

Lol... Now that England is struggling. Why is no one commenting on all the "SA" players in the team.

We still warming up!!! It's chilly here today! :twisted:

[lilggg]

Plus the south african in the ireland team.

[CHURCHILL]

Don't forget about the Ozzy

[Sting]

Covers are coming off - will see revised target soon!

[CHURCHILL]

I wonder if the pitch is really that bad, or if the batsman just lost the plot.

[lilggg]

It wasnt half an hour,shouldnt be any overs lost.

[lilggg]

Is it the same pitch Zimbabwe played on?

[CHURCHILL]

I wonder if the ICC take a country's rainy/summer seasons in to consideration when organising big events like this.
I know all cricketing nations need a chance to host, but plan it to to seasons.

[CHURCHILL]

Yes it is

[lilggg]

4.12pm Cross your fingers, covers coming off! No news on when we'll have a start though.

[lilggg]

Why are there no day night matches?

[lilggg]

The rain saved england this time ;/

[Abe]

The rain saved england this time ;/

After this result, people must now tell me again how the run-rate against India was not important.

[AirWolf]

After this result, people must now tell me again how the run-rate against India was not important.

It isn't - we're -0.70 and Afghanistan are -2.07 - rained out match and we still go through:twisted:.

But beware the semi final demon :whistle:.

[Khanya]

Guess Windies lights are not bright/strong enough?

[Abe]

It isn't - we're -0.70 and Afghanistan are -2.07 - rained out match and we still go through:twisted:.

My point was that certain people were saying here that we should have just gone hell for leather and so what if we went out for 100, at least we tried. The point is that we needed about 145 to have a better run rate then Afg. 100 would have meant that we would be out with a rain out between us and Afg.

[lilggg]

Guess Windies lights are not bright/strong enough?

I'd like to know the same thing.

[lilggg]

Hmm it seems the matches are later tomorrow.Ours only starts at 11pm our time.

[Abe]

I'd like to know the same thing.

I think it's a problem with TV times.

[Khanya]

I think it's a problem with TV times.
:confused: Elaborate...

[Sting]

TV times are right. Playing in Barbados - first game in the afternoon, SA game under lights.

[JK8]

Go Afghanistan!!! :D
But if I'm right as always, SA doesn't deserve to make the super 8s if they lose tonight, even if it is by D/L.

[killadoob]

I heard kallis is not playing so we gonna win!!!!!!!!! :D

YAY

[Sting]

We will beat Afghanistan, with or without Kallis.

[JK8]

They dropped Kallis??? Wow we must have been right all along Killa and Khanya... :)

Either that or they being complacent and underestimating the Afghans...

[killadoob]

Naaa i wish :D

[Abe]

Either that or they being complacent and underestimating the Afghans...

That would be a very big mistake.

[Sting]

Looks like Bosman/Kleinveldt/M Morkel out, Gibbs/Theron/Botha in.

Smith/Kallis opening, with Gibbs at 3.

[Stephen]

Thank goodness they are dropping Loots "Geoff Boycott" Bossman, he and the bowlers (barring Kallis and Steyn) cost us.

Oh well I suppose Killa and the like will miss those 6 of 3 ball innings. Oh wait its against Afghanistan so maybe Bosman could have upped his score to 9 from 4 balls :D :D

[killadoob]

Looks like Bosman/Kleinveldt/M Morkel out, Gibbs/Theron/Botha in.

Smith/Kallis opening, with Gibbs at 3.

Looks good, would have kept smithers at 3 and opened with gibbs but anyhoo :D

[synapseZA]

Looks good, would have kept smithers at 3 and opened with gibbs but anyhoo :D

+1

If Gibbs fires it will be to our advantage. If he doesn't, Kallis comes in and steadies the ship. Guess now that Mickey is gone, they are not playing "BraveCricket(TM)" anymore...

[Abe]

Looks good, would have kept smithers at 3 and opened with gibbs but anyhoo :D

Think they did Smith, Kallis because of the left/right combo.

[killadoob]

Maybe, i guess from that point of view it is not bad but if kallis(mostly) and smith waste those first 6 overs we may struggle where as gibbs could score fast or go out early bringing the left right combo into play.

O well we see how it goes.

[synapseZA]

I wonder how effectively Albie could be higher up, say 3. I know we are suppose to keep him as the 'secret weapon' towards the death. But it is difficult to come in and immediately switch that on.

[Bizkit87]

I wonder how effectively Albie could be higher up, say 3. I know we are suppose to keep him as the 'secret weapon' towards the death. But it is difficult to come in and immediately switch that on.

Its not that easy.... *sigh*

Are you a cricketer? the reason i ask it it seems people don't understand the difference between batting in top 4 vs smacking the ball around in the last 5 overs...

Basically, NO, Albie is not a top order batsmen, and he will fail @ 3. I have no doubts about that...

[Sting]

Its not that easy.... *sigh*

Are you a cricketer? the reason i ask it it seems people don't understand the difference between batting in top 4 vs smacking the ball around in the last 5 overs...

Basically, NO, Albie is not a top order batsmen, and he will fail @ 3. I have no doubts about that...

Yes.

The biggest difference is in the ball. Some batsmen struggle against the new ball and prefer to bat when the initial sheen (and shine) has been taken off the ball. The seam is also flattened as the ball deteriorates.

ATM I would go with : Smith, Kallis, Gibbs, AB, JP, Albie, Bouch, Botha, Roelie, Dale, Rusty

[killadoob]

Its not that easy.... *sigh*

Are you a cricketer? the reason i ask it it seems people don't understand the difference between batting in top 4 vs smacking the ball around in the last 5 overs...

Basically, NO, Albie is not a top order batsmen, and he will fail @ 3. I have no doubts about that...

Explain why albie could not open even? Sure the ball is new and does more but come on this is pro 20 not 50 over cricket.

The ball surely flies faster off the bat when it's new? Geezuz the destruction albie could cause upfront would be gayle type stuff :D. To me it is just a matter of getting used to the new ball, the dynamics of smashing the ball do not change. If it is in the slot smash it.

What i understand in pro 20 is easy boundaries in the first 6 overs, you connect well it's gone. So why would albie struggle? Would he keep missing the ball? Would he not hit a mile if it was new? Explain in a bit of detail other than he cannot do it because the ball is new. Explain what he would struggle with?

Has albie ever opened the batting? Has it been tested?

[synapseZA]

Yes, watched for the last 16 years and played at school. I understand the difference between top order and middle order techniques, but in a T20 game the deterioration of the ball is much less pronounced. I think giving Albie a bit more time at the crease could help him settle for the big slog.

And his career summary batting in the top 4 is actually better than his overall stats (all forms of the game). Games, Runs, HS, Average
Overall: 73 1052 97 24.46
Top 4: 6 171 97 28.50

For T20s
Overall: 25 373 43 23.31
Top 4: 2 55 41 27.50

For ODIs
unfiltered 47 621 97 23.88
filtered 4 116 97 29.00

[killadoob]

Well we always send albie out with like 8 balls left knowing he needs some time at the crease, so we are wasting his explosive nature by sending in JP boucher etc in before him.

[Sting]

Well we always send albie out with like 8 balls left knowing he needs some time at the crease, so we are wasting his explosive nature by sending in JP boucher etc in before him.

The batting order should be interchangeable... Top 3 are set, but depending on conditions you juggle the order around. So if there are 8 overs left, yes, send in Albie...

[Bizkit87]

Yes.

The biggest difference is in the ball. Some batsmen struggle against the new ball and prefer to bat when the initial sheen (and shine) has been taken off the ball. The seam is also flattened as the ball deteriorates.

ATM I would go with : Smith, Kallis, Gibbs, AB, JP, Albie, Bouch, Botha, Roelie, Dale, Rusty

Agreed, but only if its 20 overs, you do need a solid start... Albie opening might come of 3 out 10 times, where he scores 50 off 25 balls, but what about the other 7 times? have you not seen what happens to teams when they are 7/2 ? it usually turns into 50/5 -> 100 all out in 15 overs...

You need guys that can get you to 50/0 - 80/2 in 10. this provides the platform for guys like AB/Bouch/Albie to come in and try and smack the ball as far as they can. remember, if we are 140/4 after 16, and albie comes in and gets a first baller, then its no issues, the runs are already on the board, but should Albie open, and fail, 2 things happen:

1. We now need to consolidate, so that we are not bowled out for 100, so the batting is slow
2. There is no Albie any more to come in with 5 overs left.


Explain why albie could not open even? Sure the ball is new and does more but come on this is pro 20 not 50 over cricket.

The ball surely flies faster off the bat when it's new? Geezuz the destruction albie could cause upfront would be gayle type stuff :D. To me it is just a matter of getting used to the new ball, the dynamics of smashing the ball do not change. If it is in the slot smash it.

What i understand in pro 20 is easy boundaries in the first 6 overs, you connect well it's gone. So why would albie struggle? Would he keep missing the ball? Would he not hit a mile if it was new? Explain in a bit of detail other than he cannot do it because the ball is new. Explain what he would struggle with?

Has albie ever opened the batting? Has it been tested?

basically same reason as above. But i'm telling you from a viewpoint of an openings batsmen [from 10 years old until 2 years ago, so i basically opened the batting for 14 years, and before you attack me, i did play provincial cricket at school, and for about 2 years after school].

Why doesn't you best bowler [i.e. your best wicket taker] always start the bowling? Exact same reason, he has a job later in the innings.


Yes, watched for the last 16 years and played at school. I understand the difference between top order and middle order techniques, but in a T20 game the deterioration of the ball is much less pronounced. I think giving Albie a bit more time at the crease could help him settle for the big slog.

And his career summary batting in the top 4 is actually better than his overall stats (all forms of the game). Games, Runs, HS, Average
Overall: 73 1052 97 24.46
Top 4: 6 171 97 28.50

For T20s
Overall: 25 373 43 23.31
Top 4: 2 55 41 27.50

For ODIs
unfiltered 47 621 97 23.88
filtered 4 116 97 29.00

ok, those stats aren't really relevant just yet, 73 vs 6 is not enough to make a fair comparison.

[killadoob]

You have still avoided the question, what is it about the new ball in t20 cricket that albie would struggle with? From my side i see 6 overs of possible mayhem from albie if not more should he be on fire.

Yes i see problems should he go early but the same applies to your opening batsmen, they can also go out cheap and leave your side 2 down within 4 overs? So i am not totally understanding the logic. The way you talk openers never go out early.

I think albie would strive on the new ball with the fielding restrictions. Your opening bowler wil always start the bowling in any other format, you want your opener or best wicket taker in when a team is looking to score big runs. I have seen openers in the 50 over game come back before the end to stem the flow of runs which makes sense.

By the logic of your opening bowler comment you are saying albie is not as good at batting as kallis or smith, i think he is but he does not have the luxury of many overs to show that so his stats will never be as good. You bring in your best bowler when you need to stop runs and take wickets so you should put in your biggest hitters in when easy runs are there for the taking. Gayle, gilcrest, jayasuria all open/ed for good reason. They are not your typical opening batsmen, they come in smash the ball and hope for big runs or go they go early.

Anyways he will never open so it is a moot point :D.

[Abe]

If you want to open / no 3 with a power hitter then use AB, not Albie. He has opened before. The problem with the early overs is that while the ball is hard and does fly further, there is also a lot of swing and seam movement which does not always suit lower order batsmen. Later on, the seam and shine have gone and they can happily swing through the ball without fear of it seaming or swinging. Opening batsmen are normally better if they play the ball later so that they can see the movement and play accordingly.

[Sting]

Australia 37-3 in 7th over

[JK8]

I don't think Albie has the skill to play against the new ball in the hands of the opponents best bowler.
T20 is all about momentum and Albie fills his current role well. He can accelerate if need be or keep up with a run rate lower down.
All SA needs from him is a quick fire 30 or 40...

[Sting]

/dons tin foil hat

Oz throw the game with accurate calculations on net run rate and, in Group A, Pakistan are out!!!!

[Devill]

/dons tin foil hat

Oz throw the game with accurate calculations on net run rate and, in Group A, Pakistan are out!!!!

ROFL :D I would not put it past them bloody sheep shaggers! :p

[Sting]

52-4

[Sting]

57-5

[Sting]

65-6

[lilggg]

Keep the bloody spinners on,look now they still gna get 150+

[Sting]

Mike Hussey rescuing Oz.

[lilggg]

Ok,hes hitting them too.Who said wickets in hand is important?Look Kallis 65 - 6 and they still they still hitting.

[LancelotSA]

Why is the SA game so damn late! Dammit! :(

To work tomorrow, or not to work! ha ha

[Khanya]

What time is it South African time?

[Sting]

Why is the SA game so damn late! Dammit! :(

To work tomorrow, or not to work! ha ha

Both... watch the game and then sleep at work!!!

[Sting]

What time is it South African time?

22h45

[killadoob]

Why is the SA game so damn late! Dammit! :(

To work tomorrow, or not to work! ha ha

Watch us whip afghanistan or go to bed? not really a hard choice lance :D, will not be fun tomorrow if they knock us out so that is one benefit of sleep

[LancelotSA]

Both... watch the game and then sleep at work!!!

Ha ha that is a good option! But then again sleeping at work for me pretty much equates to staying at home so maybe just do that! ;)

Watch us whip them!

Oh, and go Bangledesh!

[lilggg]

Call in sick.

[Sting]

Call in sick.

I'm already sick. Need to get to the office tomorrow to sort out a disciplinary issue, but wife wants me to stay in bed (alone!!!).

[lilggg]

lol,thats depressing.

[Khanya]

Hmmm... Think Bangladesh will defy the odds? Mediocre total.

[lilggg]

Right 140,so for bangladesh to qualify they need to win in about 16 overs?They 0.725NR behind paki's

[Sting]

Hmmm... Think Bangladesh will defy the odds? Mediocre total.

Nope, Oz to win. Will defend 141.

[killadoob]

Odds are pretty good i think, aussies don't like pakistan one bit. Expect a pretty lame bowling attempt :D

or maybe i should take moggie's bloody tinfoil hat off :D.

[Sting]

Odds are pretty good i think, aussies don't like pakistan one bit. Expect a pretty lame bowling attempt :D

or maybe i should take moggie's bloody tinfoil hat off :D.

hehehe!!

[Devill]

Oh, and go Bangledesh!

Never knew a shark supporter could talk sense :p:D


I'm already sick. Need to get to the office tomorrow to sort out a disciplinary issue, but wife wants me to stay in bed (alone!!!).

Lol, why not tell your wife you will sort out the disciplinary issue if she stays at home to :D


Odds are pretty good i think, aussies don't like pakistan one bit. Expect a pretty lame bowling attempt :D

or maybe i should take moggie's bloody tinfoil hat off :D.

ROFL :D

[LancelotSA]

Aussies going to battle to get 100! ;)

[Sting]

Lol, why not tell your wife you will sort out the disciplinary issue if she stays at home to :D

She be home executive ;)

[killadoob]

bangledesh are going to battle to get 100! ;)

I reckon so as well but they do have a few good batsmen if they come off maybe they can chase it.

As home a executive isn't it her job to service you!!!!!!!

[Khanya]

I also can't see them winning. Unless Ashraful fires ruthlessly!

[Devill]

Ok,hes hitting them too.Who said wickets in hand is important?Look Kallis 65 - 6 and they still they still hitting.

Ok so if that backfired and Aus got 100 the bangladeshies would have only needed to get it in 13 or so overs and aus would have been knocked out ;)

[Devill]

If Bangladesh chase this in 19 or fewer overs, Pakistan will be knocked out of the tournament. On the other hand, if Bangladesh bat out of their skins and get there in under 14.3 overs, Australia will miss out on the next stage, while Pakistan will go through with Bangladesh on net run rate. In other words, if Bangladesh chase the target in anything between 14.3 and 19 overs, Pakistan will be out of the tournament.

[Sting]

Thanks Devill...

[Devill]

Thanks Devill...

Np that means Bangladesh will have to go at 7.5 or higher per over to go through to the Super 8 phase :D

[lilggg]

FFS,so sick of these one sided games.All the exciting games get rained out,all the one sided games sun shines.

[Mike Hoxbig]

4/2, doesn't look like they want to go through :-/

[lilggg]

Ashraful gone,they gna be out for bout 70 - 100.
At least Bangladesh go for it,unlike *cough* u know who.

[Khanya]

Thinks it's over... Ashraful gone...

[Mike Hoxbig]

Ashraful gone,they gna be out for bout 70 - 100.
At least Bangladesh go for it,unlike *cough* u know who.

They're going at 4/over, wtf are you on about going for it? :confused:

[CHURCHILL]

I highly doubt Aus will lose this game, they are not known to be chokers.

[Sting]

I highly doubt Aus will lose this game, they are not known to be chokers.

Agreed. Sheep shaggers, yes - chokers, no!

[Mike Hoxbig]

13/3 off 3.2 overs, Bangladesh are really going for it :rolleyes:

[lilggg]

They're going at 4/over, wtf are you on about going for it? :confused:

Lol,they going at 4 an over cos they losing wickets everytime they go for it.

[lilggg]

See,he tried and hes gone too ;/

[Khanya]

Ever notice how coincidental for South Africa, almost in all tournaments (formats) are in a predicament?

[Sting]

50 all out ?

[Mike Hoxbig]

lol 15/4, this match is over. Gonna rather get some work done and wait for the SA match later.

[lilggg]

Has any1 written off afghanistan to beat us?I think it might be a close game.Afghanistan r the best out of Zim,Bangladesh and Ireland

[CHURCHILL]

Who is officially the fastest bowler now in cricket? Nannes,Steyn or Tait.

[Sting]

Who is officially the fastest bowler now in cricket? Nannes,Steyn or Tait.

Tait

[LancelotSA]

Has any1 written off afghanistan to beat us?I think it might be a close game.

I have! But then I also write off Australia to beat us... and England... and Pakistan... and India... it is what a fan does! ;)

[Khanya]

Has any1 written off afghanistan to beat us?I think it might be a close game.

If we bat first we should be able to get 170+. If not we should limit them to 100.

[JK8]

So who did SA pay to prep a bouncy wicket??

[Devill]

Who is officially the fastest bowler now in cricket? Nannes,Steyn or Tait.

Morkel when he tries.

[LancelotSA]

Oi, no wonder your swines are so much better at these predictions, I am watching delayed coverage on SABC! Thanks for ruining it for me! ;)

[lilggg]

Mini comeback from bangladesh.

[Sting]

Don't forget a fully fit Shane Bond!

[Sting]

Oi, no wonder your swines are so much better at these predictions, I am watching delayed coverage on SABC! Thanks for ruining it for me! ;)

Was wondering about that!!!!

[CHURCHILL]

@Lance, get DSTV man, you know you want to.

[Khanya]

SABC...
Supersport pictures vivid than SABC.

[Devill]

@Lance, get DSTV man, you know you want to.

No thx... not untill they bring out a "sports package".

That new satelite service looks 10 times better for much cheaper :)

[Devill]

Bang. need 42 off 3 overs :(

[autoclassics]

MMM Aus did not bat great against Bangladesh .....good news for the rest of us!

[Sting]

MMM Aus did not bat great against Bangladesh .....good news for the rest of us!

Greets autoclassics on 1st post in MyBB!!! Welcome!

[Sting]

Next round's fixtures updated in OP.

[AirWolf]

Bang. need 42 off 3 overs :(

Australia won by 27 runs.

[JK8]

Go Afghans! :D
Watch out for Shuzaib or whatever, he's a ruthless batsman!

[Sting]

So we play again tomorrow night!!


Thu 6 May - Barbados - Pakistan v England (14h55)
Thu 6 May - Barbados - South Africa v New Zealand (19h00)
Fri 7 May - Barbados - Australia v India (14h55)
Fri 7 May - Barbados - Sri Lanka v West Indies (19h00)
Sat 8 May - Barbados - Pakistan v New Zealand (14h55)
Sat 8 May - Barbados - England v South Africa (19h00)
Sun 9 May - Barbados - India v West Indies (14h55)
Sun 9 May - Barbados - Sri Lanka v Australia (19h00)
Mon 10 May - St. Lucia - Pakistan v South Africa (14h55)
Mon 10 May - St. Lucia - New Zealand v England (19h00)
Tue 11 May - St. Lucia - Sri Lanka v India (18h25)
Tue 11 May - St. Lucia - West Indies v Australia (22h45)

[Khanya]

:confused: Where did you get those fixtures moggie?

[JK8]

EwW what an ugly presenter...

[Sting]

:confused: Where did you get those fixtures moggie?

http://cricket.yahoo.com/cricket/series/home?series_id=1194

[lilggg]

How can the fixtures be out,we havnt even qualified yet.

[Sting]

How can the fixtures be out,we havnt even qualified yet.

It's only the SA/Afghan game outstanding... the rest is done and dusted. See OP.

[Sting]

Charl in for Rory ... only change. SA batting.

[lilggg]

Oh its that whole seeded rubbish again.

[lilggg]

What an epic remix of the anthem.

[Sting]

What an epic remix of the anthem.

Needed Ras to be there!!!

[Devill]

Charl in for Rory ... only change. SA batting.

Well I hope Charl is not worse than Rory.... Why the Fsck did they not play Theron?!?!?!? He is a on form bowler....

O and I hope Kallis and Smith open and bosman 3 ab/albie 4/5 boucher 6

[Sting]

Smith, Bosman, Kallis, AB ....

[lilggg]

I think we need to bat first every game,we not very good at chasing.

[lilggg]

Wooh,look at that.

[Sting]

Great knock by Bosman.

[lilggg]

Bosman gone.Has he ever had a good innings for SA?

[lilggg]

Why didnt kallis do this last match.

[Sting]

Poor batting from Kallis.... drop him!!! 17 off 11 balls

[killadoob]

Poor batting from Kallis.... drop him!!! 17 off 11 balls

Moggie this is afghanistan i expect kallis to murder them. Bare in mind kallis knows how to destroy chasing RR's. I said i hope we don't have to chase again because that is our only hope.

Pity he never started us off like this last round hey? Might have had a chance.

[Abe]

Why didnt kallis do this last match.

Because it is a different kind of wicket.

[killadoob]

Because it is a different kind of wicket.

LOL this excuse is getting old :D. Always an excuse for him. We have 10 wickets, after 5 overs i am sure he can try. He is a world class batsmen with every shot in the book he could try and you know it. Even the commentator said when he hit a shot it was first in angry after 10 overs with 9 wickets in hand. No kallis can do this every game if just tried it. I have no doubt the talent kallis has i just wish he would apply it at the right time.

[lilggg]

He didnt use his sanex.

These spinners look way more dangerous than ours.

[Abe]

LOL this excuse is getting old :D. Always an excuse for him. We have 10 wickets, after 5 overs i am sure he can try. He is a world class batsmen with every shot in the book he could try and you know it. Even the commentator said when he hit a shot it was first in angry after 10 overs with 9 wickets in hand. No kallis can do this every game if just tried it. I have no doubt the talent kallis has i just wish he would apply it at the right time.

Yesterday, England f..ked out against Ireland when the day before that climbed into the Windies bowling and not a word from you. Now Kallis is able to play a few shots and it has nothing to do with the wicket. In the India vs SA game, not one batsmen who batted in the first 6 overs (out of 7) had a rate greater than a run a ball. Not one and you still say Kallis was batting slow despite him having the second highest run rate for players who faced more then 20 balls. Not a word about anyone else except Kallis. You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Live in your little biased world and welcome to my ignore list. I am done with this conversation.

[lilggg]

He is pretty much the world no.1 batsmen,he should be able to adapt to any wicket,and quickly.He had absolutely no problem with the wicket,if he did he wudnt have been hitting those sixes when it was too late.

[JK8]

Hehe 90 for 5 :D
These guys are good!

[killadoob]

Did the pitch change into a batting paradise when he clobbered those 6's?

O you will say the ball is old blah blah, there is no reason he could not have done that after the 5th over. The thing is you guys seem to think we dislike kallis which is not true at all, we just want to play like we know he can in pro20 games. When chasing a big total and you have lost one wicket in the 5th over you should start punching it and taking risks. Not hard and he found it easy after he got 50 ya. I just wish that talent would perform when we do not need 15 runs an over.

[SlyFly]

Can someone tell me WTF is going on, Im just following the score but seriously... Why are we so crap... Do we want to be known as the "Choking Champs" , looks like we're really proud of title... Lets just loose to a team playing in their first tournament...

Also WTF is JP Duminy doing in the team, he hasn't performed in a year... Just put Gibbs in and let him atleast get some runs...

[killadoob]

I am going to bed, if we get knocked out i would rather read about it tomorrow.

33 off 34 not very good but considering our other batsmen it will look amazing :D

[SlyFly]

Lets just hope Morkel can get a quick 30 or so :/

[Sting]

132-5, 2 overs to go.... why so negative???

[sand_man]

Tell you what if Steyn finds his line and length on this wicket he could well get a fiver!!!! Lots in it for the fast bowlers, going to be very interesting to see how Afgannies cope with the quicks!!! Me thinks they'll be all out for 80...

[lilggg]

Well well,can afghi's get this.

[JK8]

Sandman that's pretty stupid they have 3 very good fast bowlers and u assume they can't play against fast bowlers????

[sand_man]

So Kallis has been our top scoring batsman in both games yet he's still coping flack from Killanoob... go figure...

Any event Loots has been a massive disappointment to date. Perhaps considering our best player of spin is Gibbs, he should have opened today. Hindsight is an exact science I guess...

Cannot wait to see Dale on this deck...

[synapseZA]

Wow, AFGH looked decent. We didn't cover ourselves in glory it has to be said. Should still be able to wrap it up though...

[SlyFly]

132-5, 2 overs to go.... why so negative???

Your kidding right... We're playing Afghanistan... And in the last 2 overs we only added 7 runs to end with 139/7, I mean come on that's not good at all :/

[LancelotSA]

Enough runs.

But I'll tell you one thing, Van der Merwe cannot bat! He wildly swings in the hope he can make contact. Steyn would be a better bet hopping above him in the order. Also at one point I was wondering why they did not have Gibbs in instead of Duminy but he did get the ball over the ropes a few times later in his innings. I suppose they may also use Duminy as a spin option.

[Sting]

Remind me again of the Aussie score on the same pitch earlier today?