Cricket - ICC Twenty20 World Cup 2010

[JK8]

Lol big mouths!! Where's that Stephan oke...
Kallis kills the game the sooner the people see it the better.
Bit premature to say it, but the Pakis will tear SA apart if they need to, they've done it before, it depends on how much they want it!!!
Who plays first, Pak vs SA or Eng vs NZ?

[milomak]

kallis is not the problem

look at the team stats

[lilggg]

We playing first.

[killadoob]

Our opening pair is our biggest problem in terms of batting, we need someone who can blast the ball. This excuse of kallis plodding singles while someone smashes it is rubbish. We need to fix our opening pair.

Flip man open with boucher/gibbs/morkel whoever just trying something!!!!!!!! because it is obvious kallis and smith opening is not working. Kallis cannot take the bowling on early and neither can smith who looks like he has no idea how to bat. As usual SA just keep doing the same thing game after game and never try anything different.

Bowling needs to be looked at big time as well. Put roeloff in the team and let him swing at the new ball, the nice thing about that is the fielding team will never know which way the ball will fly off his bat. Not easy to set a field :D.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh dammit man, same BS different tournament.

[getafix33]

Have to agree with you on this point. This is one of the problems we have in SA. You just have to be buddies with the captain or coach and you'll be in the side until doomsday comes

It is more difficult to get kicked out the Protea team than get in to the team.

[sand_man]

Until Smith puts his ego aside and admits that Jennings is the most qualified coach to lead SA we will continue to battle strategically in major competitions..

We have the best 15 available already in WI but once again they under cooked...

[theone]

Why does Kallis get the blame when Smith was the one ****ing around. Smith doesn't deserve a place in the side in this format of the game.

[SlyFly]

Well between the Stormers and Proteas my Saturday evening was ruined completely...

[Ronjay]

Kallis may be our best batsman in other formats but this is 20/20 and you need to take on the bowling from ball 1. He has a tendency to play the first 10 overs (if he lasts that long) like a 50 over game which is way to slow. That said he used to play 50 overs like a test match so this format has helped his 50 over game immensely. Maybe what the coach should do is tell Kallis that from now on he is only going to play 5 overs so he has to get his runs in. That said, he was the leading six hitter during the game against NZ until Morkel, he has the power and the technique he just needs to improve on strike rate, less blocking, less hitting to fielders. If other players can do it so can he. Smith is a good batsman and when he is in form he can kill a bowling attack, as long as it's not spin. But that goes for the whole team, none of them like the slow stuff.

Fro m our loss against India til now there has just been something missing hasn't there? Our bowling just doesn't seem to have the edge it had in previous tournaments. Our fielding, except for a few glimpses of brilliance, has looked down right shoddy at times. And we wont even start with last nights batting. Is it shot selection? a timing issue on wickets that the boys don't know? poor technique against slow bowling? In the India game we showed our weakness to the spinners and medium pacers that can swing. We also had issues in all the other games with this. I suggest the Protea's learn to bat to the slower stuff soon, because all the other teams are going to quickly see the weakness and exploit it.

In last nights game we saw what good spin can do in this format. Unfortunately SA are incapable of learning from it. In the next game I can pretty much guarantee that they will still only have one spinner, still go charging in with ball after ball of line/length at pace. Predictability is the death of a good bowling attack. And SA are nothing if not predictable. If I where the selectors, I'd have at least 2 spinners in every side, even if the track is not conducive to it, you never know, it could come in handy.

Oh well. That's my two cents. Take it or leave it.

[CHURCHILL]

Well from side so far its been a great weekend of sport, Sharks winning,England winning, all I need now for a clean sweep is for Jenson Button to pull of a miracle win in the F1 and Lee Westwood to win the golf.

[Sting]

Well from side so far its been a great weekend of sport, Sharks winning,England winning, all I need now for a clean sweep is for Jenson Button to pull of a miracle win in the F1 and Lee Westwood to win the golf.

And the footie? Blue or Red?

[CHURCHILL]

Blue, but we all know that's a given;)

[killadoob]

Good ronjay and fully agree about kallis :(, such an immense player that he needs to know t20 is no longer like the 50 over game. You cannot pace an innings when chasing a big total.

We need to be up with the run rate from the first 1 over, sitting at 16 after 4 is not the way forward :(. Rather sit at 55 for 3 after 6, then you can pace you innings, we are always playing catch from ball 1 when chasing. Smith is lucky he is captain but he should take it upon himself to drop himself down the order and get in a batsmen who is on form. Smith for me is poor, not selecting 2 spinners, not bowling kallis out when he was going for 5 runs an over in his 3 overs. Batting so slow.

Sort out the top order because right now our mentality when chasing is losing us matches, those first 6 over are key to chasing a big total, you need to stay with the run rate in those first 6 or get ahead of it. We seem to think we should just keep wickets in hand because albie will smash 40-50 runs off 18 balls every time he walks in.

Blue is not a given today, wigan are the athelico of england, can beat anyone and lose to anyone. Red team will sneak it today i reckon :D.

[CHURCHILL]

Red will choke with stoke.

[killadoob]

Red will choke with stoke.

Red don't normally choke, blue though are big chokers :D

[Ronjay]

Fully agree killadoob. Way too slow out the blocks. I say Smith should resign as captain and concentrate on batting. He doesn't seem to see what needs to be done at times. Like last nights game, he should have seen that the pace is getting nailed an reacted to it. Look I'm not saying that Smith is not a good captain, just that at times over the course of his career as captain there have been some pretty poor captaincy. That said there is no one in the side except for maybe Boucher that has SA captaincy potential. And I don't like a wickie captain, I find they have problems setting fields.

[JK8]

Anyone notice that the Aus team has none of their 'A side' ODI players??
Maybe that's the trick!!
SA has all the same players as their ODI side....

[killadoob]

Yes because SA don't grasp the concept of what a pro20 should be plus okes like kallis cry like girls when they get dropped. Too many ego's in our team. The aussies care nothing for ego's only winning.

[Khanya]

Where's Parnell people?

[krycor]

I think smith's era as captain has to end. I mean sure he likes leading from the front.. but then he also leads downhill. Seriously, how many games haven't there been where he comes out completely flabbergasted and then the entire team seems to head that way from that point on. Him and Kallis are the two biggest exponents of doing this kinda of thing.

[krycor]

I reckon we gonna be in crap tournament wise.. think about it, England's biggest player is back in England.. take out his scores for the last few games and see whats left of their scores lately. Then, they facing New Zealand on a spinners pitch.. :rolleyes: as if New zealand need another major advantage. Sa is facing pakistan on the same pitch prior so yah.. i reckon our chances of going to semi's are gone.

[Sting]

Where's Parnell people?

Injured.

[Ronjay]

For one thing, Parnell is another speedster isn't he. I mean, I doubt he would have bowled as badly as Stayn but we are in serious need to develop a killer spinner like old Warne was and Muralie. SA has struggled to find a slow bowler that can attack the batting but restrict runs and take wickets. Botha and Roelof are good at restricting runs but are not what I would call strike bowlers that can be depended on taking 3-4 wickets a game like Warne and Muralie was able to. And it really did not depend on pitch conditions either. SA are yet to learn the full value of a good spinner, one that can put a pair of batsmen under pressure and then force mistakes. On a fast track Botha struggles a little at times, and I've seen him become a little ineffective on the older slower pitches too, ones where he should be very strong. SA should by now realize that speed is not the be all and end all of attacking bowling.

[Sting]

Murali is a chucker and should have been called 10 years ago. ICC have banned Botha from bowling his dhoosra (elbow bend out by about 2 degrees), yet there are other bowlers with much more suspect actions. This has neutralised Botha and he has to adjust his game.

EDIT: deliberate misspelling of dhoosra!!

[Sting]

West Indies batting first. Singh to Gayle...

Both teams need to win, should make for a great game!

[Ronjay]

Murali is a chucker and should have been called 10 years ago. ICC have banned Botha from bowling his ****ra (elbow bend out by about 2 degrees), yet there are other bowlers with much more suspect actions. This has neutralised Botha and he has to adjust his game.

Yip. Some bowling actions are really suspect. Muralie has actually been called a few times for his action, don't know how he keeps getting away with it.

[lilggg]

It would make for a great game if West Indies Didn't bat like us.

[lilggg]

Ahh there we go,he got offended when i said that ;p
U don't get a worse chirp than that my friends.You bat like a south african.

[Khanya]

Hmmm. They've opted for left openers. Guess they want Chanderpaul to 'hold' the innings together?

[Khanya]

Jadeja Drop!

[Sting]

Huge 6 by Chris Gayle!!! It looked like a lofted punch over the bowler's head off the back foot ... but it went 112 meters!!!!

[lilggg]

If only we had someone who could bat like this for a lengthy period.

[Khanya]

Gayle, nearing that century...

[Khanya]

If only we had someone who could bat like this for a lengthy period.

This is after he was dropped twice or thrice. Element of luck in it.

[lilggg]

I think they shouldve reached 180.Looks like bout 170 now.

[Sting]

Gayle run out - bat in the air - great knock!!! 97 off 66 balls...

[killadoob]

Classic gayle genius :D

Possibly a few runs short but anything over 150 has been a winning score so they should take it.

[Khanya]

I wonder who's gonna fire for India...

[lilggg]

So it's not only us who can't chase.

[satanboy]

Why has H Gibbs had 30-50 chances (not scoring), but Loots Bosman only got two chances? Give the new boys a chance.

[killadoob]

Why has H Gibbs had 30-50 chances (not scoring), but Loots Bosman only got two chances? Give the new boys a chance.

New boys fail once or twice they out, old players can mess up 10 times in a row and get a game. Always been our problem.

[Sting]

Australia batting first against Sri Lanka.

30-4 in the 5th over...

[Sting]

106-5 off 16 overs

Cameron White (56*)

[lilggg]

Another failed chase i assume.

[Sting]

Another failed chase i assume.

Jawardene is in top form, so if he comes to the party then Sri Lanka might win!

[Sting]

Oz 168-5 off 20 overs

[Otumeel]

Oz 168-5 off 20 overs

Bastards!

Why don't we just give them the Cup and tell them to ****-off. Then the rest of the world can play for second place.

[Khanya]

Good latter overs there...
Well played White.

[JK8]

These damn Aussies, well if there's a team to beat them its SL. Let's see if they can.

[Sting]

Jawardene is in top form, so if he comes to the party then Sri Lanka might win!

Damn, he's out for 9 - big problem!!!

[lilggg]

He may be on top form,but has he made a score chasing,i cant remember.

[lilggg]

As i said failed chase.

[lilggg]

T20 is so predictable now ;/,or maybe just this tournie.

[killadoob]

Bat first score 140+ you win.

[Sting]

Bat first score 140+ you win.

True - indicative of crap pitches!

[lilggg]

So england bat first and We bat first and we qualify.

[lilggg]

Who never saw this hiding coming ;/

[AirWolf]

SL got raped by Oz.

Oz looking very strong for a tournament win.

[lilggg]

Lets hope they choke ;p

[Sting]

Today's games...

Mon 10 May - St. Lucia - Pakistan v South Africa (15h30)
Mon 10 May - St. Lucia - New Zealand v England (19h30)

[SlowInternet]

These Aussies are on fire !

[OzzieCapie]

Anyone notice that the Aus team has none of their 'A side' ODI players??
Maybe that's the trick!!
SA has all the same players as their ODI side....

Huh?? Clarke , Hussey, Watson, Haddin, Johnson, White....



Good ronjay and fully agree about kallis :(, such an immense player that he needs to know t20 is no longer like the 50 over game. You cannot pace an innings when chasing a big total.


...but Ronjay doesn't agree with Ronjay:wtf:

Too many 'that saids' and 'buts':D

Kallis may be our best batsman in other formats but this is 20/20 and you need to take on the bowling from ball 1. He has a tendency to play the first 10 overs (if he lasts that long) like a 50 over game which is way to slow. That said he used to play 50 overs like a test match so this format has helped his 50 over game immensely. Maybe what the coach should do is tell Kallis that from now on he is only going to play 5 overs so he has to get his runs in. That said, he was the leading six hitter during the game against NZ until Morkel, he has the power and the technique he just needs to improve on strike rate, less blocking, less hitting to fielders. If other players can do it so can he. Smith is a good batsman and when he is in form he can kill a bowling attack, as long as it's not spin. But that goes for the whole team, none of them like the slow stuff.

What are the facts? What "other players can do it "?

Kallis, 5th highest total for tournament. ...most of any SA batsman, same strike rate as De Villiers and Smith, but 50 odd runs more, Morkel's high strike rate is with half the average etc etc

[Sting]

Huh??

We have given up arguing, so we let it ride....

Both games today are do-or-die!!! Only England are safe...

[killadoob]

Ya but kallis has more than likely faced the most deliveries of anyone in our team apart from perhaps smith, i am not saying kallis is useless but smith and kallis together is a disaster, they are both way to slow to open up the batting.

The last game again gibbs comes in with us going at 4 runs an over, they are slow upfront which means the next batsmen in needs to go big and are throwing their wickets away. Granted chasing is not easy in this tournament but when 2 players are getting you off to a slow start chasing big runs you have no hope. Having said that i think the kallis issue has been settled and to a large degree smith is not making his life easy. I suppose you want kallis to play his game while others play fast around him which is not happening with smithers opening and looking horrid

Going to be tough to get through if we bat second as usual.

[jeremie]

Just asking coz I'm not sure, can South Africa can still qualify if they win well?

[Sting]

Just asking coz I'm not sure, can South Africa can still qualify if they win well?

If they win they are through.

[jeremie]

Ok, but pakistan can also qualify if they beat RSA and New zealand lose to England so they also have a chance
Quite interesting

[killadoob]

If they win they are through.

Ummm explain a bit more please, if NZ beat england and we win how would we go through?. If nz hammer england we may not go through surely?

3 teams on 4 points.

[Abe]

The last game again gibbs comes in with us going at 4 runs an over, they are slow upfront which means the next batsmen in needs to go big and are throwing their wickets away.

Gibbs has the same strike rate as Kallis.

[killadoob]

Gibbs has the same strike rate as Kallis.

Gibbs though is not the old herchelle and looks pretty bad, so should i feel the same about kallis? Kallis looks in far better form than gibbs, hell i would rather have bosman back in than gibbs in all honesty or push gibbs up the order and let him open.

I have changed my mind slightly about kallis but i still feel our opening pair is not good for us. We shall see today though, hope we win the toss!!!!!!!

[Abe]

Please can someone tell me, which team other then Aus has two 140+ strike rate batsmen up front? Every team that I can remember has a 120 anchor and a striker. Our strikers just aren't striking.

[killadoob]

Please can someone tell me, which team other then Aus has two 140+ strike rate batsmen up front? Every team that I can remember has a 120 anchor and a striker. Our strikers just aren't striking.

Abe we have a problem upfront, neither smith nor kallis are striking fast. That for me is a major problem, couple that with the likes of gibbs and a few others who are not doing well and we sit in this position, then add some horrendous bowling and not great fielding. Basically in my opinion we look very poor at the moment in all area's.

[Abe]

I have changed my mind slightly about kallis but i still feel our opening pair is not good for us. We shall see today though, hope we win the toss!!!!!!!

I agree, our opening pair is a problem. Pair being the key word, we have to have a striker opening with Kallis that is hitting the ball up front and preferably someone who played IPL as that would have helped them adjust to the slower wickets. We need to try and keep a striker and solid batsmen at the wicket at the same time. Kallis goes out, send in AB, striker goes out, send in another and don't for goodness sake send in Albie before over 12.

I am a Bosman fan but he really let us down with the 8 off 14 balls. His job was to strike or go out, not waste balls under any circumstances.

[killadoob]

The bad thing is i think even if we beat pakistan today unless nz lose as far as i can tell we go out unless we absolutely smash the paki's. Am i wrong? Is a win all we need even if nz win today?

[jeremie]

Why is hashim amla not playing?

[Mike Hoxbig]

Ya but kallis has more than likely faced the most deliveries of anyone in our team apart from perhaps smith, i am not saying kallis is useless but smith and kallis together is a disaster, they are both way to slow to open up the batting.

The last game again gibbs comes in with us going at 4 runs an over, they are slow upfront which means the next batsmen in needs to go big and are throwing their wickets away. Granted chasing is not easy in this tournament but when 2 players are getting you off to a slow start chasing big runs you have no hope. Having said that i think the kallis issue has been settled and to a large degree smith is not making his life easy. I suppose you want kallis to play his game while others play fast around him which is not happening with smithers opening and looking horrid

Going to be tough to get through if we bat second as usual.

Aus were 67/5 after 11 overs and still managed to post 168. Our players just don't deal with pressure as well as they do, although I think that's what the 'performance specialist' in the team was supposed to help them with. He's obviously doing his job very well.

[superskully]

Abe we have a problem upfront, neither smith nor kallis are striking fast. That for me is a major problem, couple that with the likes of gibbs and a few others who are not doing well and we sit in this position, then add some horrendous bowling and not great fielding. Basically in my opinion we look very poor at the moment in all area's.

Here is the fact.
We are not good enough. We are over rated. Except for Tests, the other 2 forms of the game - we are not that good.
Our bowlers suck in ODI and T20, even Steyn fires hot and cold. We miss a Pollock.
Our batsmen anihilate opposition when it does not matter - thats y i stats look so good.
We dont have a good Captiain nor coaches (including Batting and bowlings coaches). Whats does Vincent barnes do (bowling coach). Morkel has the ability to be the next Ambrose, Mcgrath, Pollock. Yet he is almost the same as he first started. We also copy tactics from England (bowl short).
We are also predictable and cannot improvise.

[jeremie]

The bad thing is i think even if we beat pakistan today unless nz lose as far as i can tell we go out unless we absolutely smash the paki's. Am i wrong? Is a win all we need even if nz win today?

From what I see, the NRR boils down to how many runs you score verses how many you concede.
NZ and SA have played equal amount of overs but NZ lead because they have a -12 run difference versus
-26 of south africa.
SA must score 15 or more runs than what NZ scores against England.
If Pakistan don't bring their a game and RSA does than this looks promising bcoz NZ should struggle against england.

Actually it looks good for south africa as I'm reading more into this.

I must say I'm looking fwd to Pakistan big hitters putting the pressure on RSA. Boom Boom! lol

[killadoob]

I am not looking forward to england making sure NZ get in, moggie and his tinfoil hat have struck again.

[sublime]

Here is a dated explantion from cricinfo on NRR - http://static.cricinfo.com/db/ABOUT_CRICKET/EXPLANATION/NETRR.html

To my mind, we really need the poms to beat NZ. Otherwise, we need to score a huge one against Pakistan and hope they falter really badly. Or, if they bat first, we need to restrict them to about 120 and get it with plenty to spare.

If we beat them by around 10- 20 or so or with an over or so to spare and NZ get a narrow win against England, I think we will still be out. If NZ do manage a win against England (without KP), we really need to smash Pakistan. Worst case scenario is if we smash pakistan and NZ smash England - then we really don't have much hope. Not an ideal situation to have our fate (to a large degree) resting on another game.

Bottom line is that we have been poor. Our batting is not agressive enough upfront and we tend to leave too much to do in the last 5. We need to be aiming for around 60-65 in the first 6 in my view.

[killadoob]

Bad thing for us is england play nz after we play so if we do win, england can easily help NZ nudge us out the tournament, that is of course assuming we win.

[superskully]

Here is a dated explantion from cricinfo on NRR - http://static.cricinfo.com/db/ABOUT_CRICKET/EXPLANATION/NETRR.html

To my mind, we really need the poms to beat NZ. Otherwise, we need to score a huge one against Pakistan and hope they falter really badly. Or, if they bat first, we need to restrict them to about 120 and get it with plenty to spare.

If we beat them by around 10- 20 or so or with an over or so to spare and NZ get a narrow win against England, I think we will still be out. If NZ do manage a win against England (without KP), we really need to smash Pakistan. Worst case scenario is if we smash pakistan and NZ smash England - then we really don't have much hope. Not an ideal situation to have our fate (to a large degree) resting on another game.

Bottom line is that we have been poor. Our batting is not agressive enough upfront and we tend to leave too much to do in the last 5. We need to be aiming for around 60-65 in the first 6 in my view.

Instead we aim for 60-65 in the first 10 overs and get out then hope for the rest to do the work.

[Devill]

http://www.cricinfo.com/world-twenty20-2010/engine/series/412671.html?view=pointstable

There you see NZ scored 290 off 40 overs and conceded 302 off 40 overs. Their net run rate is -0.3

SA scored 299 off 40 overs and conceded 325 off 40 overs. Our NRR is -0.65

So the difference is 14 runs atm.

If we can beat the pakistanis by 10 runs we only need england to win by 4 runs.
If we win against the pakis with more than 13 runs we will go through.
Or if we chase down their score with 9 balls or so to spare ( <--educated guess :p:D)

EDIT: If we beat paki. and england beat NZ we are going through. If NZ beat England we nead to beat the pakis by (NZ's winning margin + 14 runs). Ignore the above statements :D

[sand_man]

For me its been the bowlers that have let us down. We been consistently chasing too many which in the 20/20 equates to massive pressure.

EDIT: Pakistan are poor, we will roll them and then some PROVIDED we don't get bogged down by their part time spinners...

[superskully]

For me its been the bowlers that have let us down. We been consistently chasing too many which in the 20/20 equates to massive pressure.

EDIT: Pakistan are poor, we will roll them and then some PROVIDED we don't get bogged down by their part time spinners...

Also remember, pakistan also got a chance.
If Eng beat NZ, and they beat us...

[Abe]

For me its been the bowlers that have let us down. We been consistently chasing too many which in the 20/20 equates to massive pressure.

EDIT: Pakistan are poor, we will roll them and then some PROVIDED we don't get bogged down by their part time spinners...

Pakis are hot and cold. Could be very dangerous for us. I agree that our bowlers (and fielding) have let us down. They have consistently given away more runs then other teams batting on the same wicket on the same day. I can't help that we wouldn't be in this position had we at least played a bit more sensibly against England. Even if we had lost by 10 runs it we would be sitting in the pound seats right now with a win against Pak all that would be required to put us through. Hell, we didn't even bat out our 20 overs and thats another 14 runs right there which is what we are short against NZ.

On another topic, there is still a chance that England go out if they are hammered. If they lose by 33 runs or more, then they head into the negative run rate territory. If NZ beat them by 23 runs or more then they go above them on the log. We would need to beat Pak by +- 36 runs and Eng would be out.

[Devill]

Pakis are hot and cold. Could be very dangerous for us. I agree that our bowlers (and fielding) have let us down. They have consistently given away more runs then other teams batting on the same wicket on the same day. I can't help that we wouldn't be in this position had we at least played a bit more sensibly against England. Even if we had lost by 10 runs it we would be sitting in the pound seats right now with a win against Pak all that would be required to put us through. Hell, we didn't even bat out our 20 overs and thats another 14 runs right there which is what we are short against NZ.

On another topic, there is still a chance that England go out if they are hammered. If they lose by 33 runs or more, then they head into the negative run rate territory. If NZ beat them by 23 runs or more then they go above them on the log. We would need to beat Pak by +- 36 runs and Eng would be out.

Now that would make my day :p:D

[sublime]

http://www.cricinfo.com/world-twenty20-2010/engine/series/412671.html?view=pointstable

There you see NZ scored 290 off 40 overs and conceded 302 off 40 overs. Their net run rate is -0.3

SA scored 299 off 40 overs and conceded 325 off 40 overs. Our NRR is -0.65

So the difference is 14 runs atm.

If we can beat the pakistanis by 10 runs we only need england to win by 4 runs.
If we win against the pakis with more than 13 runs we will go through.
Or if we chase down their score with 9 balls or so to spare ( <--educated guess :p:D)

EDIT: If we beat paki. and england beat NZ we are going through. If NZ beat England we nead to beat the pakis by (NZ's winning margin + 14 runs).

Thanks - so around 14 - in my head (without the time or to be brutally honest, the inclination, to do the math) I had put it at around 30 or 18 balls so seems I way overestimated it. Either way, we are going to have to play well. Pakistan have looked avergae this tournament but they are always due a good game when it all comes together so i'm hoping it's not going to be today.

I really hope we win the toss and bat because in this tournament it seems a massive advantage having runs on the board. Either way, I think we should win and i'm hoping England will have enough in the tank. I can't see them wanting to do anyone any favours - momentum and all that jazz.


EDIT: ah, forgot about the plus NZ winning margin. Real pity we playing first cause then its just a case of trying for the win and hoping.... I saw a comment this morning (forget which website, may have neen supersport) that Corrie Van Zyl said SA are primarily going for the win. Now, this is all good and well, but surely we must have our eyes on the bigger prize?

[jeremie]

abe

On another topic, there is still a chance that England go out if they are hammered. If they lose by 33 runs or more, then they head into the negative run rate territory. If NZ beat them by 23 runs or more then they go above them on the log. We would need to beat Pak by +- 36 runs and Eng would be out.
It's not that bad for South Africa at least and thanks for clearing that up.
England are not safe.

[Mike Hoxbig]

If we can beat the pakistanis by 10 runs we only need england to win by 4 runs.
If we win against the pakis with more than 13 runs we will go through.

Well if England win and we beat the pakis then NRR shouldn't matter ;)

[Devill]

Well if England win and we beat the pakis then NRR shouldn't matter ;)

Did you read my post right to the end?

You might have noticed the big capitally spelt out EDIT:...... ;)

[Mike Hoxbig]

Did you read my post right to the end?

You might have noticed the big capitally spelt out EDIT:...... ;)

Hehe unfortunately I didn't. Maybe you should have edited out the actual mistake instead of adding a conflicting line :)

[Devill]

Hehe unfortunately I didn't. Maybe you should have edited out the actual mistake instead of adding a conflicting line :)

Nha I do not hide my mistakes :p:D I will however go and bold and underline it as well as colour it red so that it is more visible :D

[CodeMaster]

Bad thing for us is england play nz after we play so if we do win, england can easily help NZ nudge us out the tournament, that is of course assuming we win.

Hmmm, but why would England help NZ nudge us out? England have beaten us twice in the tournament so far, so I would think they would rather face us in the final rather than NZ.

[jeremie]

Bad thing for us is england play nz after we play so if we do win, england can easily help NZ nudge us out the tournament, that is of course assuming we win.
Not if RSA beat pakistan by more than 36 runs

[killadoob]

Hmmm, but why would England help NZ nudge us out? England have beaten us twice in the tournament so far, so I would think they would rather face us in the final rather than NZ.

There is no love lost between the teams that is for sure, they would love nothing more than to help us go out this tournament. We are a very dangerous team if we get on top of a another team, england would rather see us gone i am sure of that.

[Abe]

Interesting stat. In the last 10 20/20 matches played during the world cup where Duckworth/L was not involved, the side batting second won only 1 one of those matches and that was with 3 balls to spare. Batting first is obviously giving too much of an advantage then.

[killadoob]

Abe that was the total england chased down right? 130something?

Damn i hope we bat first :eek: or restrict them to 120 :D

[CodeMaster]

S H I T, PAK batting first :mad:

[Abe]

Abe that was the total england chased down right? 130something?

Yes, the one Eng chased. Pakistan's 147 where Eng got 151. Kieswetter anchored and first Lumb went at 190% strike rate, then Pieterson went at 140% and they chased it easily.

The highest score in the tournament batting second is our 172. There are six higher scores, all from batting first.

Overall, in the world cup, the side batting second has only won 3 games (excluding D/L games). The side batting first has won 13 games. Rough.

FFS, Pakistan bat - VDM in for Morkel (SA's leading wicket taker)

[Abe]

Looks like we are opening with Smith and Gibbs if the team order is anything go by.

[Abe]

S H I T, PAK batting first :mad:

Depending on their score, things get interesting now. We would have to get their score in 18 overs, if they get 120 to match the NZ run rate.

[killadoob]

Looks like we are opening with Smith and Gibbs if the team order is anything go by.

Ya well the light will be seen eventually it seems :D. We cannot afford another kallis smith slow start. Granted gibbs could go early leaving us with the same problem but he will make use of those 6 overs if he gets the chance to do so.

Let's hope we bowl well restrict them to 130 and chase it down fast to ensure no matter what happens we go through. We need the gibbs of old to come through for us today and opening is his specialty dammit!!!!!

Also glad roeloff is back, morkel is very poor with all those no balls. He must be the no ball king of t20 cricket.

[Mike Hoxbig]

FFS, Pakistan bat - VDM in for Morkel (SA's leading wicket taker)
Poor decision IMO, you don't just leave out your leading wicket taker. That's like bringing Bosman in to replace Kallis. I would have brought him in to replace Langevelt.

[killadoob]

Langevelt is a great bowler, can clean them up at the end. Should give him one over to start and hold him back for the last 6

FFS if kallis is bowling well like he did the other day let him bowl 4 overs!!!!!!!!

[lilggg]

GAME OVER,lost the toss batting 2nd don't bother.
Also what is up with our anthem getting screwed up everywhere we go.If it isnt someone who cant sing or a band that has untuned instruments.That trumpet thing makes me wana pull my hair out,even makes the vuvuzela sound awesome.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Langevelt is a great bowler, can clean them up at the end. Should give him one over to start and hold him back for the last 6

FFS if kallis is bowling well like he did the other day let him bowl 4 overs!!!!!!!!
What I don't understand is how could Rusty Theron not have been give a chance, even in the group stages. Surely he couldn't have done any worse.

[lilggg]

Oh ya and VDM is in the team again *FACEPALM* x 100

[lilggg]

What I don't understand is how could Rusty Theron not have been give a chance, even in the group stages. Surely he couldn't have done any worse.

I thought we had new selectors or something?If so they even worse than the old ones.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Albie bowls an over for 4 runs. Pakistan must really be struggling :wtf:

[lilggg]

Woooh,wickettt.

[Abe]

Oh ya and VDM is in the team again *FACEPALM* x 100

It is a mistake, IMHO, we pick an extra spinner against a spin capable side like Pakistan but only pick one against England. Pakistan battled against the bounce of Aus's pace attack on the same wicket so now we drop the bowler who bounces it the most.

[killadoob]

Don't give up hope guys!!!!!!! We can do this!!!!!!!!

[Mike Hoxbig]

Dale you beauty! 9 more to go!

[killadoob]

Dangerous batsmen gone!!!!!!!!

Come on boys!!!!!!!

[Abe]

Woooh,wickettt.

Bouncer gets the wicket. It's what Aus did to Pakistan. By all means punish Morkel for the no balls after the tournament but not during. They seem to be reacting to what everyone says a game too late.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Live stream for those without access to a TV: http://webcric.com/live-cricket-streaming.htm

If that doesn't work then use one of the others at the top of the page

[killadoob]

Boo ya baby!!!!!!!! thanx for the link just saw the wicket :D

[Abe]

FFS, we are on our 1 over - 1 over story again.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Another 1! Latif out to Kallis :)

[killadoob]

FFS, we are on our 1 over - 1 over story again.

Chill dude, we getting it right. 2 down low RR all is going strong. Think positive we need it man!!!!!!!

[manesan]

Do you think 1 over spells are a good idea?

[Mike Hoxbig]

Langevelt gets the 3rd wicket :) 18/3

[killadoob]

I reckon they can work if your bowlers are doing the right things, in fact nothing works when your bowlers are bowling poorly. If your bowlers are not having a good day you can bowl them anyway you think and it won't work.

Nice stuff boys!!!!!!!!

[manesan]

19/3 after 6 overs, great start.

[killadoob]

Beautiful botha!!!!!!! man this is looking good.

[Mike Hoxbig]

FFS take RVDM off!!!

[lilggg]

rofl van der merve looks like hes gna cry.Trust him to give the pakis the momentum they need.He must go have his tantrums somewhere else and worry about his bowling.

[superskully]

Damn Smith. He truly is an awful Captain.
Just like against India, we were doing so well with the seamers, and he bring RVM on. It releases pressure, gets the batsmen going.

[manesan]

Spinners are undoing all the work, he needs to get back to the seamers immediately.

[lilggg]

Not the spinners,VDM,botha did ok.

[Abe]

If Albie is keeping them in check, can you imagine what Morne would have done.

[lilggg]

If they get 140+ i doubt wqe going to chase that.AFter the start they shouldnt even get 120.

[lilggg]

Look whos back. ;/
OMF and 6 first ball,jesus get this idiot out of there.

[lilggg]

I think im switching off.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Get RVM off FFS!!! Wtf another 6!

[manesan]

If Albie is keeping them in check, can you imagine what Morne would have done.
+1.
We have more than enough spin with Duminy and Botha.

[lilggg]

3 ****ign sixes.WHAT THE ....

[Mike Hoxbig]

And another 6 in the over. I just don't get the thinking behind this.

[manesan]

WTF is Smith doing!!!

[sox63]

Could someone tell Nasser Hussain to STFU!!!!!!

[lilggg]

Lucky we have gibbs,nice catch.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Gets him out at last but he's leaked 33 in 2 overs.

[manesan]

Ok he is out, but he did smash VDM and made a mini recovery.

[Sting]

Boom Boom to the crease... this is the make or break partnership!

[Abe]

Smith is trying to get through the last 4 overs between Morkel and VDM. You would think that with one having a econ rate of 16.5 and the other having a rate of 4, he would know which one to pick.

[Abe]

He single handedly took the run rate from 5 to 6.27 for the innings.

[manesan]

Smith is trying to get through the last 4 overs between Morkel and VDM. You would think that with one having a econ rate of 16.5 and the other having a rate of 4, he would know which one to pick.

The seamers started off with a bang, he should have persisted with this and tried to finish them off, seems he didnt have the guts to do it though.

[Abe]

Boom Boom to the crease... this is the make or break partnership!

He needs to go out, really quickly. He took the last game away from us when we played them.

[Abe]

Watch Smith keep VDM another over just to make sure.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Dale gets the RR back down to 6. My bet is JK will bowl the next over.

edit: as I type that JK is given the ball. He's being very predictable.

[manesan]

Dale gets the RR back down to 6. My bet is JK will bowl the next over.

This is quite simple ATM, seamers on, spinners off.

[lilggg]

He couldve bowled spin at the death,doubt they would do any better than what they did to VDM.

[Abe]

Dale gets the RR back down to 6. My bet is JK will bowl the next over.

We should be bowling Morne now at boom boom.

[lilggg]

We really do know how to mess up a good situation,we can never finish teams off.

[lilggg]

3 an over after 7,7 an over after 13

[jeremie]

19/3 6 overs
86/4 13 overs

Hopefully they restrict pakistan because they're looking dangerous now.:erm:

[poffle]

GO SA! R50 bet we have lost this match now.

14 runs in 4 balls. usless dicks.

[Mike Hoxbig]

And the length balls begin.

[manesan]

Weve let the momentum swing back to the Paki's, Anything over 140 and we are going to struggle.

[lilggg]

Well,they looking good for 180 now,amazing after having them 18/3 after 6.

[Abe]

Why on earth are they bowling Albie when the 4 overs they needed are finished?

[superskully]

Why is Duminy not bowled.
Really, i magine having Morne instead of RVM and use Duminy as the 2nd spin option.
Our brains trust really needs a makeover.

[lilggg]

We would struggle to even get 140.

[lilggg]

Yes,get duminy on,he would probably me more economical than the rest and get a wicket.

[Abe]

Going to bowl Botha now when he should have been finished by over 15.

[Abe]

Apparently Steyn is injured. Thats probably why they are bowling Albie.

[manesan]

Why on earth are they bowling Albie when the 4 overs they needed are finished?

Langeveldt should be on right now to stem the run rate.

[Mike Hoxbig]

They're on course for 160. Not easy to chase that, especially within 18 overs.

[LancelotSA]

So when is Roelof van der Merwe getting dropped?

[poffle]

it makes me mal how we can go from good to **** in 5 minutes. ****en pathetic, we dont deserve to win this trophy.

[lilggg]

Are Pakistan just on form today? They never did this to any other teams.

[Mike Hoxbig]

So when is Roelof van der Merwe getting dropped?

He shouldn't have been picked in the first place, especially given his record in the tourney. You don't just drop your leading wicket taker (Morkel) for someone like Roelof.

Langeveldt gets Akmal, but it's a bit too late given the score we could have had them at. Roelof started it by alleviating the pressure.

[LancelotSA]

it makes me mal how we can go from good to **** in 5 minutes. ****en pathetic, we dont deserve to win this trophy.

It makes me mal how fickle South African fans are when they go from elated and supportive to dismissive and despondent in 5 minutes. Fsking pathetic.

[Fiekus]

Are Pakistan just on form today? They never did this to any other teams.

lol we bring out the best in everyone....just ask KP ;)

[lilggg]

There we go,nice langeveldt.

[poffle]

It makes me mal how fickle South African fans are when they go from elated and supportive to dismissive and despondent in 5 minutes. Fsking pathetic.

shame

[Mike Hoxbig]

And I take back what I said about Langes earlier. He gets 2 in one over :D

[Abe]

Smith is captaining like s..t. Thats the problem. He keeps trying to do new things so he can turn out to be the hero who "pulled this wonderful tactic to win the game". The problem is that he is turning winning situations into losing ones.

[LancelotSA]

Are Pakistan just on form today? They never did this to any other teams.

http://www.cricketworld4u.com/team-ranking.php


ICC T20 Championship As on : 10-May-2010
S# Team Rating
1. Pakistan 98
2. England 92
3. South Africa 91
4. Sri Lanka 90
5. Australia 88
6. West Indies 87
7. India 86
8. New Zealand 64
9. Bangladesh 36
10. Zimbabwe 33
11. Netherlands 2
12. Ireland 0

[AirWolf]

Both went for 13 runs in 2 overs. Why didn't he bowl out the rest?:confused:

[Abe]

Both went for 13 runs in 2 overs. Why didn't he bowl out the rest?:confused:

Because VDM was expensive. Make sense? It doesn't to me, but it must make sense to someone.

[LancelotSA]

Smith is captaining like s..t. Thats the problem. He keeps trying to do new things so he can turn out to be the hero who "pulled this wonderful tactic to win the game". The problem is that he is turning winning situations into losing ones.

The only thing he can possibly be blamed for is being part of the selection committee which chose Van der Merwe! Take 15 runs off this total (allowing for VDMs two overs to go for an "acceptable" 18!) and it does not look as imposing.

[lilggg]

It makes me mal how fickle South African fans are when they go from elated and supportive to dismissive and despondent in 5 minutes. Fsking pathetic.

SO are u feeling jovial?

[AirWolf]

Because VDM was expensive. Make sense? It doesn't to me, but it must make sense to someone.

VDM shouldn't have bowled those two overs at all :(.

[LancelotSA]

SO are u feeling jovial?

I sure as hell haven't written SA off. And I sure as hell won't be driven to make comments about them not deserving to win the contest!

[sand_man]

Why is Duminy not bowled.
Really, i magine having Morne instead of RVM and use Duminy as the 2nd spin option.
Our brains trust really needs a makeover.+ a trillion!!!!

[lilggg]

Good last few overs,hopefully keep them under 150.

[milomak]

we really let these guys off the hook. a score closer to 130 is what we should have been chasing given our start.

[LancelotSA]

Our brains trust really needs a makeover.

Maybe it wasn't all Mickey Arthur's fault after all ;)

[AirWolf]

I sure as hell haven't written SA off. And I sure as hell won't be driven to make comments about them not deserving to win the contest!

But even you have to admit that when we are under pressure, our team screws up. But look at a team like Australia - the match against Sri Lanka - first 4 guys didn't perform well, then White rescues them with a match winning performance. The bowlers too didn't relent and destroyed the Sri Lankan batting attack (or retreat depending on how you see it :p).

[Mike Hoxbig]

We're chasing 149. It's doable if Gibbs and AB come right and Albie pulls off a cameo. Can not afford to go too slowly, we need to win this quickly.

[LancelotSA]

So Van der Merwe can't bowl.... we know he can't bat (unless he gets lucky and the ball hits his swinging bat) ... and now he has just shown he can't field with that feeble return to the stumps off that last ball ;)

[Abe]

The only thing he can possibly be blamed for is being part of the selection committee which chose Van der Merwe! Take 15 runs off this total (allowing for VDMs two overs to go for an "acceptable" 18!) and it does not look as imposing.

? Botha (SA's most economical bowler) gets only two overs and VDM gets a second over which went for 18 when he shouldn't have been bowling a second one (Smiths fault). Bowling order was a joke, he should have brought back some pace during that partnership or even pulled everyone together for a minute or two to change the pace of the game. What other sides have 6 overs of madness without pulling everyone together to settle them down?

[milomak]

It's amazing how RvM's form has dropped like it has.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Looking at the bowling figures, everyone went for between 6-7 RPO. If VDM didn't bowl, we could have kept them to about 130.

[AirWolf]

It's amazing how RvM's form has dropped like it has.

He's lost his novelty effect.

[killadoob]

He can bowl, just not the correct track for him to bowl on, jadeja suffered the same fate. Blame the selectors for picking him.

Anyways we did really to get them under 150. Gibbs needs to get a score today. Let's hope we can pull through going to be very tough if we start slow again.

[Ronjay]

SA look a bit down. I don't think they did too badly. I mean after the hitting they where getting int the middle overs, they did well to peg 'em back again to only 140 odd. Spinners where rubbish though, but to be expected, Paki love the spinners. Now all SA have to do is get over there fear of the slow bowling and we can win it. Holding thumbs.

[superskully]

150 is a challenging score.
Considering they have spinners who do us damage.
Remember the last time, we chased a loew score (think 147) and the spinners (esp Afridi) had us.

Bad Smith - poor captaincy - yet again we on top and he releases the pressure.

[Mike Hoxbig]

It's amazing how RvM's form has dropped like it has.

There was never any form, the teams have worked him out and they know where he bowls. When he was new he got lucky because nobody knew what to expect.

[Abe]

We need to get the runs with 9 balls to spare to end up with a 0.0 run rate.

[Sting]

After we have won this game, we can all support the SA "B" team!!!

[AirWolf]

SA look a bit down. I don't think they did too badly. I mean after the hitting they where getting int the middle overs, they did well to peg 'em back again to only 140 odd. Spinners where rubbish though, but to be expected, Paki love the spinners. Now all SA have to do is get over there fear of the slow bowling and we can win it. Holding thumbs.

One spinner was rubbish while the other pretty good @ 6.5 rpo ;).

[LancelotSA]

But even you have to admit that when we are under pressure, our team screws up. But look at a team like Australia - the match against Sri Lanka - first 4 guys didn't perform well, then White rescues them with a match winning performance. The bowlers too didn't relent and destroyed the Sri Lankan batting attack (or retreat depending on how you see it :p).

Why is it called screwing up? You could look at it two ways.
1.They were heading for 160+. We kept it under 150.
2. We had them on the ropes and should have limited them to 130.

It is two teams competing. Pakistan are not standing in the middle trying to hand the game to SA. They want to win too. Sometimes the opposition will get on top. They did that with that one partnership.

[AirWolf]

After we have won this game, we can all support the SA "B" team!!!

Go KP and Kieswetter :p !!!

[superskully]

Looking at the bowling figures, everyone went for between 6-7 RPO. If VDM didn't bowl, we could have kept them to about 130.
Should have been lower. Especially since this is Pakistan who are likely to crumble.
As much as we want to blame RVM - ask the selectors and coach and captain why they picked him (esp over Morne).

AS a cricketer myself all my life, they is one thing i know, you get me in, i see the ball like a beach ball.
Smith brought the spinners on way too early - he brought them in to form and gave them momentum.

Trust Pakistan though to throw it away again - we are just like them.

[Abe]

SA look a bit down. I don't think they did too badly. I mean after the hitting they where getting int the middle overs, they did well to peg 'em back again to only 140 odd. Spinners where rubbish though, but to be expected, Paki love the spinners. Now all SA have to do is get over there fear of the slow bowling and we can win it. Holding thumbs.

Not spinners but VDM. Why on earth would you pick 2 spinners against a team like Pakistan and then why, please would someone tell me, would you bowl someone for a second over when they have just gone for 15 in their first over and you have another bowler who is going for 6.5 an over?

[Ronjay]

Lance is really positive in everything. He is not a cup half full or a cup half empty guy. He's a cup completely full guy even if in reallity it's completely empty. Can be really annoying:D:p

[Mike Hoxbig]

One spinner was rubbish while the other pretty good @ 6.5 rpo ;).

2 more overs from Botha at that rate, and no bowling from VDM, should have seen them at 20 runs less (128/7).

It was a poor selection from the start. Now we effectively have 10 batsmen because we know that he can't bat either.

[Abe]

Bad Smith - poor captaincy - yet again we on top and he releases the pressure.

He doesn't know what to do when other teams start attacking us. Thats his biggest flaw, and the fact that he is out of sorts with the bat is not helping either.

[Abe]

Sometimes the opposition will get on top. They did that with that one partnership.

The question is, "what did Smith do to break that partnership?"

[killadoob]

You guys keep saying it should have been 130 but what about the fact that is was looking like 170/190 if afridi and that akmar brother stayed there.

They were tearing our entire attack apart, not rouloef's fault smithers decided to bowl him against 2 guys who love spin. Smith should wake up more. We are very lucky to only be chasing around 150 could have been far worse.

Smith does not think, i am not sure if they study players before the game so when they walk in they know how to tackle them, to me it seems smith does not do homework nor do the selectors. As abe says why field 2 spinners against a team who love spin? Yet against england you field one.

Blaming players is not always the way, the selectors and captain need to perform just as much as the players.

[Khanya]

They've answered my prayers... Kallis at no. 5.

[LancelotSA]

After we have won this game, we can all support the SA "B" team!!!

I am going to hate having to do this but....... GO ENGLAND!

[LancelotSA]

You guys keep saying it should have been 130 but what about the fact that is was looking like 170/190 if afridi and that akmar brother stayed there.

Yip, that is the sentiment I am more inclined to agree with. We did well to pull them back.

I am not going to agree with the RVDM sentiment though as he is in the team as a spinner. He should not have to be protected in a game only 20 overs long.

[killadoob]

They've answered my prayers... Kallis at no. 5.

Awesome!!!!!!!! now we can see what happens when kallis does not open :D. Gibbs come on now!!!!!!!!!! We can do this in 16 overs i reckon :p

[Abe]

They've answered my prayers... Kallis at no. 5.

That is a mistake, now we are blaming Kallis for the rest of the top order failing. Do you really think that Gibbs and Smith who have failed the whole WC are suddenly going to play out of their skins because Kallis is not there? We have to chase the target like it is 165, not 200. This is an all or nothing approach. Remember a win for us and a loss for NZ still puts us through but a loss for us means we are going home.

[Abe]

I am not going to agree with the RVDM sentiment though as he is in the team as a spinner. He should not have to be protected in a game only 20 overs long.

Not protected, what other bowler who goes for 15 in their first over will get another go (against two big hitting batsmen) when you have other bowling options. He should have had one over and it should have stopped there. End of story.

[Khanya]

Let's wait and see.

[LancelotSA]

So do you think Kallis could have scored more than two runs in the first over?!?! ;)

[Ronjay]

Not spinners but VDM. Why on earth would you pick 2 spinners against a team like Pakistan and then why, please would someone tell me, would you bowl someone for a second over when they have just gone for 15 in their first over and you have another bowler who is going for 6.5 an over?

Yeah, got to wonder at the selection process. A game where they were needed two spinners they pick one, but paki love to hit spinners.

[lilggg]

Great start,2 off the first over.Dejavu?

[Abe]

Great start,2 off the first over.Dejavu?

Don't worry, it's Kallis' fault. Drop him :)

[Ronjay]

I am going to hate having to do this but....... GO ENGLAND!

LOL +1000000:D:D

[Mike Hoxbig]

Kallis wtf are you doing to the run rate. Go out and whack it man. If you get out then at least you don't put pressure on the other batsmen.

/killadoob

:P

[Ronjay]

Jeezas. Youwouldn't think SA need to get there RR up the way they're batting now.

[lilggg]

If we havn't got a nice little total on the board by the time afridi comes on,we in trouble.

[lilggg]

Oh look,its happening all over again ;/
Run rates about to hit 8 and a wicket down and spinners ot come,and Kallis is in ;p

[Khanya]

$hit Gibbs gone!
Maybe they should've kept the order.

[Abe]

I don't think Kallis could have maintained Gibbs' strike rate. Glad we pushed him up the order.

[Mike Hoxbig]

3 off 9 balls (that's 1.3 overs) for Gibbs. But at least he went without wasting any deliveries :/

[Mike Hoxbig]

I don't think Kallis could have maintained Gibbs' strike rate. Glad we pushed him up the order.

Yep Kallis wasting deliveries by hitting a 4 second ball.

[lilggg]

Kallis,what the hell are u doing plodding 4's

[Abe]

We now have an over less balls to get the runs off courtesy of Gibbs and the new and improved batting order.

[Ronjay]

Like I've said before, SA can't play the slower bowlers. We'll be lucky if we get 80 runs at this rate.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Like I've said before, SA can't play the slower bowlers. We'll be lucky if we get 80 runs at this rate.
Razzaq is a slow bowler? :confused:

[Khanya]

4 overs, Pakistan 16/2.
South Africa 20/1.

[SlyFly]

Can someone smack the smurk off Gibbs face...

I would love South Africa to be original for once, send in all the bowlers/useless batsmen first, let them go and open, tell them to smack the ball around and bat as fast as possible, get the shine of the ball and then when we have 50 odd for 3 (The 3 wickets being bowlers or useless batsmen) the rest of the batsmen (That can bat) go in and continue batting...

So lets say Langeveldt and Steyn opens, Rudolph comes in at 3, Johan Botha at 4, then the useless batsmen can come in and bat, like Gibbs, Duminy, Boucher and Smith, they can just come in and bliksem the ball around and throw their wicket away... Because they do this anyways, but this way atleast they will do it faster... Then our batsmen can come in with a platform of say 80 runs from 6 overs and push us through? Sounds like a plan..

[lilggg]

Run rate soon to hit 9 an over.watch this space..

[Abe]

SA 20/1 after 4 overs and Pakistan haven't been rotating bowlers. Normal, straight forward bowling attack. Bowl your two best bowlers two overs each and then get the next guys on. We got lucky rotating against Pakistan but it failed miserably against India and England.

BTW: Kallis has the best strike rate out of the top 3. In fact, only 1 of the Pakistan batsmen had a worse rate and he only wasted 4 balls, not 6.

[lilggg]

How do u win when half ur team is out of form.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Run rate soon to hit 9 an over.watch this space..
Lol and whose fault would that have been?

[lilggg]

FFS,predictable predictable predictable.

[Khanya]

Thank you Smith!!!

[SlyFly]

Can someone smack the smurk off Gibbs face...

I would love South Africa to be original for once, send in all the bowlers/useless batsmen first, let them go and open, tell them to smack the ball around and bat as fast as possible, get the shine of the ball and then when we have 50 odd for 3 (The 3 wickets being bowlers or useless batsmen) the rest of the batsmen (That can bat) go in and continue batting...

So lets say Langeveldt and Steyn opens, Rudolph comes in at 3, Johan Botha at 4, then the useless batsmen can come in and bat, like Gibbs, Duminy, Boucher and Smith, they can just come in and bliksem the ball around and throw their wicket away... Because they do this anyways, but this way atleast they will do it faster... Then our batsmen can come in with a platform of say 80 runs from 6 overs and push us through? Sounds like a plan..

See this is a good idea, this would fit Smith's playing style perfectly... Gone at 13 from 13 balls...

[JK8]

Go Pakis!!!
Please Pakis take em out :P

[lilggg]

SMith's fault this time.Everything in this game so far is his fault.

[sand_man]

Damn it!!! These part time spinners should be disappearing out the park, not making our captain look like a tail ender!!!! FFS!!!!

[Abe]

Smith gone - lets send in Albie (I am being sarcastic just in case anyone thinks I am being serious)