Cricket - ICC Twenty20 World Cup 2010

[Abe]

Go SL!!!!

lol - one down, one to go.

[peace]

Yes yes we know you are super cool and a super rebel posting the pick a SECOND time. I hope to see you in the frontlines when people storm the CSA offices in protest of the Proteas poor performances. I am sure you can hang on until then :rolleyes:



Here is something from last year....

Im sure you remember the dates.


http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/11142/title/c-h-o-k-e-r-s/cat/500


http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/11176/title/proteas/cat/500

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/11177/title/heroes/cat/500

[JK8]

Aus england final and i have a sneaky feeling this is England's tournament but never write the aussies off.


lol - one down, one to go.

Wrong.. Pakis are finalists in this game, third time lucky...

[Stephen]

Here is something from last year....

Im sure you remember the dates.


http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/11142/title/c-h-o-k-e-r-s/cat/500


http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/11176/title/proteas/cat/500

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/11177/title/heroes/cat/500

Keep it up anymore, you can use those pics for your placards, then slap each other around to get in a frenzy :rolleyes:

[Sting]

http://multimedia.theherald.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/wiggett14052010.jpg

[Stephen]

http://multimedia.theherald.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/wiggett14052010.jpg

Sigh no wonder I very rarely read newspapers. Oh well i suppose they have to appeal to their readers :rolleyes:

[JK8]

Sigh no wonder I very rarely read newspapers. Oh well i suppose they have to appeal to their readers :rolleyes:

I once heard a quote saying something that "if you complain its only because you care..."

[killadoob]

Sense of humour is awesome dude.

Classic picture that one :D

[Stephen]

Sense of humour is awesome dude.

Classic picture that one :D

What would have made the cartoon even more funny if the other nurse replied:

"Goodness, I havent heard the word 'choke' used correctly in years"

:D

[killadoob]

Well everyone is using it wrong these days but ya choke is what happened once again without doubt, i am starting to think choke means paid to throw the game.

[Stephen]

Well everyone is using it wrong these days but ya choke is what happened once again without doubt, i am starting to think choke means paid to throw the game.

Zing 1 point to me

[sox63]

I'm watching the build up, and I just cant keep my eyes off that chick's cleavage. :o

[JK8]

I just sit down and watch and 2 wickets fall :(

[Sting]

I'm watching the build up, and I just cant keep my eyes off that chick's cleavage. :o

Focus, man, focus!!!

[JK8]

Lol what do you loser supporters know hahahaha!!
Go Pakis!! :D

[Otumeel]

If Australia wins today, I'll "bek#k" myself.

Australia must not win.

[lilggg]

I think Aus r gna choke ;p
Pakis 190 odd.Pakis always up their game when it counts,unlike another team i know.

[lilggg]

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/showphoto.php/photo/11176/title/proteas/cat/500

Look at VDM,wtf is he smiling about,he lost us the game.

[killadoob]

He lost us the game?

You have that wrong, bowling him could have cost us the game. Never write the aussies off.

[lilggg]

Well he contributed.I just wana know wtf he is smiling like that.They talking bout how much they made for throwing the game?

[JK8]

Liggg that pic is of last years tournament.
They to Abdullah for holiday, this year they took Theron...

[lilggg]

Aus 2/1 ;p

[lilggg]

Liggg that pic is of last years tournament.
They to Abdullah for holiday, this year they took Theron...

LOL,my bad ;/ now i feel like a real tw@t.

[Khanya]

Hmmm. Interesting total and chase. See how Australia tackles this. Almost 58 after 6 overs, 2 wickets down.

[JK8]

Khanya you watching SABC?
Its 74/4 now...

[Khanya]

Just realised. Lol..
Ya, it's 98/4, now.
Ya think they can still make it?

[Otumeel]

It always happens with those ****ing Aussies. The middle order always bails them out.

[lilggg]

5 sixes in 2 overs.Damn aussies.

[JK8]

They all good batsmen even Johnson is capable of a quick 50.
I hope the Pakis take it. I think they got it but you never know with these 2 teams...
105/5...

[Khanya]

Hussey out Hussey in.

[Khanya]

White's takin' 'em on!

[Otumeel]

White is a bastard, that's what.

[Otumeel]

I swear, if Australia wins today I'll never watch cricket again.

[Khanya]

Damn Hussey. What a way to go!

[Khanya]

I swear, if Australia wins today I'll never watch cricket again.

Why?

[Otumeel]

****-ing-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!

White is out!

[lilggg]

How do they do it???They need 14 an over and they manage to get that.Then u get SA who need just over 7 an over,and dono how to.Aussies are depresssing me.

[Otumeel]

Smith is out.

I laughing with malicious glee! :twisted:

Aussieland has ****ed the rest of the world up the bum too many times. It's time we get some back.

[Khanya]

It's evident! It's Eng. and Pak. in the final.

[Otumeel]

****.

37 off 15 req.

That's makeable.

[undesign]

White is a bastard, that's what.


I swear, if Australia wins today I'll never watch cricket again.

ROFL +1 there!

[Khanya]

34 of 2. Hussey better come to the party. Otherwise it's over.
Good start to the over.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Johnson is waiting on the other side!

[Otumeel]

34 of 2. Hussey better come to the party. Otherwise it's over.
Good start to the over.

Hey, **** the Aussies. :mad:

[Khanya]

Ow wait. 18 of 6. Still there...

[The_Pumpkin_King]

If the pakis lose this they're going to be absolutely sick at the sight of the aussie! Remember when they lost the test after only needing 120 on the 5th day

[lilggg]

Oh my **** they going to win....

[The_Pumpkin_King]

1 6 6, game over

[Otumeel]

The Aussies can go **** themselves.

[lilggg]

ROFL 1off 2 what a joke.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

I rather see the aussies win than the poms, the poms will never shut up!

[Khanya]

If the pakis lose this they're going to be absolutely sick at the sight of the aussie! Remember when they lost the test after only needing 120 on the 5th day

How many wickets down?

[Khanya]

2 sixes! Make that 5 off 3.

[JK8]

:(

[killadoob]

Pure aussie magic is all i have to say, bowling the spinner was wrong in that over. Astonishing, aussies looked dead and buried and in walks hussey.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

1 6 6 4 6, hussey is a master. It wasnt even as though the pakis played badly, the hussey had another gear

[CHURCHILL]

@otumeel, I take it this was your last match of cricket your going to watch, lol...
Love them or hate them, these Ausies have BMT.

[lilggg]

Ive seen sum crazy **** in this tournament.

[undesign]

:sick::mad::sick:

[Khanya]

Just gotta love Australia! Damn! Chasing a score of 190+!

[killadoob]

@otumeel, I take it this was your last match of cricket your going to watch, lol...
Love them or hate them, these Ausies have BMT.

Never write an aussie team off no matter what situation, they have fight, spirit and never say die attitude. From the start they attacked, glad they won. Came out positive even when they lost wickets they remained positive.

[Chris]

Yeah...no South African would've ever done that innings. Too conservative in our approach!

[manesan]

Amazing how they have turned things around in less than a year.

[killadoob]

Yeah...no South African would've ever done that innings. Too conservative in our approach!

Yup but we are out so let's leave that alone now. Still hurts watching our arch enemies destroy a 190+ total :D

[JK8]

Unbelievable, partnership of 53 off 16 balls!!!
Ahh well what to do Pakis you did well...
These Aussies aren't human :(

[killadoob]

Unbelievable, partnership of 53 off 16 balls!!!
Ahh well what to do Pakis you did well...
These Aussies aren't human :(

Too much spin in the end dude. Poor spin in the end it has to be said.

[Chris]

Match-fixing :D :p

[JK8]

Shame Afridi choking on his words...

[LancelotSA]

HA HA HA HA HA

Who are the chokers now? ha ha ha ha

I am not a fan of the Aussies but am happy to see the Pakis lose with some of the comments made on here and the number of Paki supporters who have all of a sudden appeared.

I will, however, be stuck on who to support in the final. Dislike both!!

[papooze]

Australian cricket team, I salute you!:)

Pakistani team, you let it slip:erm:

[The_Pumpkin_King]

that fscking expat team must not win! :mad:

[papooze]

HA HA HA HA HA

Who are the chokers now? ha ha ha ha

I am not a fan of the Aussies but am happy to see the Pakis lose with some of the comments made on here and the number of Paki supporters who have all of a sudden appeared.

I will, however, be stuck on who to support in the final. Dislike both!!

Pakistan = Temporary chokers
South Africa = Perennial chokers

[lilggg]

Titties!!

[The_Pumpkin_King]

HA HA HA HA HA

Who are the chokers now? ha ha ha ha


The proteas

[LancelotSA]

Pakistan = Temporary chokers
South Africa = Perennial chokers

Ha ha ha ha ha chokers!! Make excuses for the chokers! They got a second chance and choked again. Ha ha ha

[killadoob]

They never choked they hit 191 runs hardly choking, aussies just batted really well. Shame lance the biggest chokers went out long before the semi's dude.

Couldn't even choke in the semi's this time, the choking is getting worse :D.

Anyways still reckon england gonna win it.

[feo]

Unbelievable.

As much as I hate Aussie cricket, I'll give them credit because they sure deserve it. I couldn't help but think while watching the Australian chase that if it were SA in that position chasing down 191, I would've watched Kallis and AB knock around singles until over 13 and then watch them implode whereas Australia did the SMART thing and didn't hold back. David Hussey, Michael Hussey and Cameron White played pretty much the perfect innings...I hope Kallis and AB are wtaching, they could learn a thing or 2 from this match.

[CHURCHILL]

@Pumpkin, you talking about the expat English convicts or the expat English/South Africans.
Where is Outmeel??

[killadoob]

Feo our whole team could learn something, you get in and bat positive. None of this 5 off 9 BS if you are gonna go early go for 5 off 2 :D

I think outmeel has taken a duck, considering he does not watch cricket anymore makes sense :D.

[LancelotSA]

They never choked they hit 191 runs hardly choking, aussies just batted really well. Shame lance the biggest chokers went out long before the semi's dude.

Oh no of course they didn't choke... they just allowed Australia to score 34 runs off the last two, and 18 off the last six (in fact they scored 23 off the five). That sounds like a .... aggghhh... cough cough... CHOKE to me! ha ha

I'll keep it on my memory banks that that is not a choke according to you! ha ha ha

[The_Pumpkin_King]

@Pumpkin, you talking about the expat English convicts or the expat English/South Africans.
Where is Outmeel??

The "south african" team :p


Feo our whole team could learn something, you get in and bat positive. None of this 5 off 9 BS if you are gonna go early go for 5 off 2 :D

I think outmeel has taken a duck, considering he does not watch cricket anymore makes sense :D.

True Story, Kallis would have been like "Yeah this is over, let me get my average up" and made 60 of 65 balls or BS score

[JK8]

I actually think the Poms are shaking in their boots!!!

[JK8]

I've never seen the Aussies celebrate like that before, I don't think they believe what they did!

[killadoob]

I actually think the Poms are shaking in their boots!!!

I doubt that dude, the poms have pretty much cruised in this tournament, they look good. They have the highest first 6 over average. 2 of the best teams in the comp in the final!!! good show.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Oh no of course they didn't choke... they just allowed Australia to score 34 runs off the last two, and 18 off the last six (in fact they scored 23 off the five). That sounds like a .... aggghhh... cough cough... CHOKE to me! ha ha

I'll keep it on my memory banks that that is not a choke according to you! ha ha ha

So basically you're saying that a team that his already won this cup, beaten us twice and comprehensively at that, and lost this game by one ball are the chokers. yet you will not accept that the proteas are the chokers??

Lance --> http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2210446/2/istockphoto_2210446-horse-with-blinkers.jpg

[LancelotSA]

I've never seen the Aussies celebrate like that before, I don't think they believe what they did!

So which flag are you whipping out now?

[Khanya]

We're playing another 20/20 against Windies this month. Are we sticking to the same/old squad?

[killadoob]

We're playing another 20/20 against Windies this month. Are we sticking to the same/old squad?

do you have to ask silly questions? :D OF COURSE haha.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

We're playing another 20/20 against Windies this month. Are we sticking to the same/old squad?

they got one guy from the dolphins......thats it

[LancelotSA]

So basically you're saying that a team that his already won this cup, beaten us twice and comprehensively at that, and lost this game by one ball are the chokers. yet you will not accept that the proteas are the chokers??

Oh sorry, I am basing the definition of choker on the generally accepted view of most of you on here. If a team loses a game they are called chokers. I've been told repeatedly on here that is the definition of choker! Lo and behold they let the opposition cruise to a victory when they look down and out!

I personally don't call any team chokers for losing usually (that is just sport) but when in Rome....

[CHURCHILL]

@JK8, so far every team you have supported has been kicked out of this comp, lol..
So please shout for the Aussies in the next game, hopefully you streak carry's on.

[killadoob]

Yes lance we get the choking thing, does everyone else get it so we can agree and he can shut up about it?

/inserts broken record.

Go you pommie bastids!!!!!

JK what were the chances of one of your many teams not making the final? hahaha.

[LancelotSA]

Lance --> http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2210446/2/istockphoto_2210446-horse-with-blinkers.jpg

Shame are your Google skills limited? Could you not even find a decent picture without a watermark? Shame. Here you go this one looks better and no watermark too...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xwE0rBDpg1Y/SomKqDjqVsI/AAAAAAAAD-4/MTN-Se_0TQ0/s400/blinker-funny-horse-picture.jpg

You can use it if you want.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Oh sorry, I am basing the definition of choker on the generally accepted view of most of you on here. If a team loses a game they are called chokers. I've been told repeatedly on here that is the definition of choker! Lo and behold they let the opposition cruise to a victory when they look down and out!

I personally don't call any team chokers for losing usually (that is just sport) but when in Rome....

obviously you need to check a dictionary, i just got mine out here: In sports, a choke is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win

choker definition
choker (-ər)
noun
1.a person or thing that chokes
2.a necklace that fits closely around the neck
3.a narrow fur piece worn around the neck
4.the south african cricket team

True Story

[undesign]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xwE0rBDpg1Y/SomKqDjqVsI/AAAAAAAAD-4/MTN-Se_0TQ0/s400/blinker-funny-horse-picture.jpg

You can use it if you want.

LOL, good one Lance!

Aussies vs Poms...hmmm...it's tough but I'll have to shout for the Aussies. It's painful...:cry::p

[LancelotSA]

Yes lance we get the choking thing, does everyone else get it so we can agree and he can shut up about it?

/inserts broken record.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha I am making attempts to be as annoying as you with these feeble calls of choking every time we lose a game, so I am only just getting started. You have a history of carrying on with these comments for days after we lose a match so sit back and enjoy the ride. I usually do, while s******ing at the stupidity of it!

[Sting]

We're playing another 20/20 against Windies this month. Are we sticking to the same/old squad?


they got one guy from the dolphins......thats it

Not true. There are more - search for thread on MyBB.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Shame are your Google skills limited? Could you not even find a decent picture without a watermark? Shame. Here you go this one looks better and no watermark too...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xwE0rBDpg1Y/SomKqDjqVsI/AAAAAAAAD-4/MTN-Se_0TQ0/s400/blinker-funny-horse-picture.jpg

You can use it if you want.

i dont care about you enough to actually sift through the pics, i picked the first one

[killadoob]

Not true. There are more - search for thread on MyBB.

Ya but will they play?

[Stephen]

The "south african" team :p



True Story, Kallis would have been like "Yeah this is over, let me get my average up" and made 60 of 65 balls or BS score

No Kallis would say "Why the heck is the rest of the team failing, cricket suppose to be a team sport, were they taking some advice from ignorant trolls on MyBB"

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Not true. There are more - search for thread on MyBB.

ah my bad, heres the list

David Miller, Daryn Smit, Alviro Petersen, Rusty Theron, Rilee Rossouw, Thandi Tshabalala, Stiaan van Zyl, Colin Ingram, Lonwabo Tsotsobe

[killadoob]

No Kallis would say "Why the heck is the rest of the team failing, cricket suppose to be a team sport, were they taking some advice from ignorant trolls on MyBB"

That is exactly what he would say forgetting he is part of the team, does a team sport exclude some players? Must everyone else but kallis perform? Not sure your comment came across the way you intended it to.

Often in games specially t20 games it is not always a team effort, most of the time it is one batsmen who decides the match or your score. Gayle smashing 97 or husskey smashing 53 odd 16. The big players stand up and take charge, they don't sit back waiting for someone to do it. Ya this has been covered and as you say kallis is not a team player.

[Khanya]

Chocking is (of a big team) losing in crucial games. What South Africa are master at, maybe they're way beyond choking in some instances.

[LancelotSA]

obviously you need to check a dictionary, i just got mine out here: In sports, a choke is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win

So by your definition Pakistan meet the definition of choker far better than South Africa?

They are defending champions and, as far as I am aware, are ranked higher in the T20 rankings than SA! Chokers! Ha ha ha ha ha

[The_Pumpkin_King]

No Kallis would say "Why the heck is the rest of the team failing, cricket suppose to be a team sport, were they taking some advice from ignorant trolls on MyBB"

the team fails because they have to make the runs while their best player is faffing around in a bubble ;)

[killadoob]

Chocking is (of a big team) losing in crucial games. What South Africa are master at, maybe they're way beyond choking in some instances.

Choking is about the way you go down if you ask me, like SA plod for 13 overs while the aussies go guns blazing. The paki's tried more than i can say about our performances.

[Khanya]

No Kallis would say "Why the heck is the rest of the team failing, cricket suppose to be a team sport, were they taking some advice from ignorant trolls on MyBB"

Oh yeah. While he goes 6 an over.

[killadoob]

Oh yeah. While he goes 6 an over.

It's a team game not up to him to win games for the team, that would mean he would consider himself a team player. Not sure what stephen means about a team game when kallis is in the team.

t20 is not always a team game but a single performance game, one great knock by someone will setup the win or big total. Hussey could have come out and said dammit my team is not performing let me get singles to help them out. Nope he is a team player, he decided he needed to do it because no one else could.

Now that is a team player.

[McT]

ah my bad, heres the list

David Miller, Daryn Smit, Alviro Petersen, Rusty Theron, Rilee Rossouw, Thandi Tshabalala, Stiaan van Zyl, Colin Ingram, Lonwabo Tsotsobe

David Miller and Alviro Petersen should have been in the squad in the first place. Loots was not consistent and Alviro has proven himself many times before.

[LancelotSA]

Choking is about the way you go down if you ask me, like SA plod for 13 overs while the aussies go guns blazing. The paki's tried more than i can say about our performances.

So can South Africa not choke if they bowl second? They can only choke batting second?

Just trying to ensure I have my ducks in a row as regards this definition of choking.

[Khanya]

Ever seen Australia going 6 an over chasing 120?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

David Miller and Alviro Petersen should have been in the squad in the first place. Loots was not consistent and Alviro has proven himself many times before.

Alviro should have been in the team since they cocked up against england, probably even before that

[killadoob]

Ever seen Australia going 6 an over chasing 120?

Aussies don't play defensive cricket, this stems from the test arena where they dominated for many years purely because of their positive attitude.

[Stephen]

That is exactly what he would say forgetting he is part of the team, does a team sport exclude some players? Must everyone else but kallis perform? Not sure your comment came across the way you intended it to.

Often in games specially t20 games it is not always a team effort, most of the time it is one batsmen who decides the match or your score. Gayle smashing 97 or husskey smashing 53 odd 16. The big players stand up and take charge, they don't sit back waiting for someone to do it. Ya this has been covered and as you say kallis is not a team player.

Ah the ignorance defence, I ask again are you sure you watch cricket, because everytime you come across as a person that is making things up


the team fails because they have to make the runs while their best player is faffing around in a bubble ;)

No Einstein, the other players had plenty of time in the middle to get the runs, especially in the last game.

Ah heck as Lance says this is hilarious, I think I will just sit back and laugh at the pettiness and ignorance shown by some, keep it up

[The_Pumpkin_King]

So by your definition Pakistan meet the definition of choker far better than South Africa?

They are defending champions and, as far as I am aware, are ranked higher in the T20 rankings than SA! Chokers! Ha ha ha ha ha

the pakis were 1st, SA was second, they were a single point ahead of SA and they played three games more. no one expected them to win with their inconsistency unlike your "green *******s"* who charge through and fall on their face at the last hurdle

*Kick-Ass

[stefan9]

David Miller and Alviro Petersen should have been in the squad in the first place. Loots was not consistent and Alviro has proven himself many times before.

Alviro is not a good t20 player. Miller I agree but colin ingram should be the other guy not alviro.

Alviro is a very 50 over and first class player but not t20.

[McT]

Whilst Pakistan are not amongst my favourite sides, I am a little gutted for them. 191 should have been more than enough. Hussey was awesome (and 344 points for my Cricinfo team :)) and I think he actually forced the Pakistanis to make mistakes. Pressure. BMT. And regrettably this Aussie side has much of it.

Should be a great final. Rooting for the Poms.

/spits

[Sting]

The following 16-man Standard Bank ODI squad has been selected for the tour to the West Indies:

Graeme Smith (capt) - Nashua Cape Cobras
Hashim Amla - Nashua Dolphins
Loots Bosman - Nashua Dolphins
Johan Botha - Chevrolet Warriors
Mark Boucher - Chevrolet Warriors
AB de Villliers - Nashua Titans
JP Duminy - Nashua Cape Cobras
Jacques Kallis - Chevrolet Warriors
Charl Langeveldt - Nashua Cape Cobras
Ryan McLaren - Chevrolet Diamond Eagles
Morne Morkel - Nashua Titans
Alviro Petersen - bizhub Highveld Lions
Dale Steyn - Nashua Titans
Lonwabo Tsotsobe - Chevrolet Warriors
Roelof van der Merwe - Nashua Titans
David Miller - Nashua Dolphins

[LancelotSA]

the pakis were 1st, SA was second, they were a single point ahead of SA and they played three games more. no one expected them to win with their inconsistency unlike your "green *******s"* who charge through and fall on their face at the last hurdle

*Kick-Ass

Ha ha ha ha the rankings take into account the number of games played. Duh!

So you are actually confirming what I said. Pakistan are ranked higher. Thanks.

[killadoob]

Graham smith must have done some serious ass licking, he best hope he finds form on this tour or he may have to do more than licking.

[killadoob]

Ha ha ha ha the rankings take into account the number of games played. Duh!

He pointed that out quite clearly in his post.

[Stephen]

the pakis were 1st, SA was second, they were a single point ahead of SA and they played three games more. no one expected them to win with their inconsistency unlike your "green *******s"* who charge through and fall on their face at the last hurdle

*Kick-Ass

This reply just show you are also k@k stirrer. Proteas limited over form was awful, their players in the IPL were awful besides Kallis and Steyn and then you wonder why the Proteas lost.

The BIG REASON why England and Australia are doing so well, that MULTIPLE PLAYERS ARE PERFORMING. Not just RELYING ON ONE

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Ah the ignorance defence, I ask again are you sure you watch cricket, because everytime you come across as a person that is making things up



No Einstein, the other players had plenty of time in the middle to get the runs, especially in the last game.

Ah heck as Lance says this is hilarious, I think I will just sit back and laugh at the pettiness and ignorance shown by some, keep it up

really genius? our 3rd batsmen makes 20 runs at about a run a ball and you want number 4, 5 and 6 to do the work?? in essence bat better than the best batsmen in the team

explain your logic here, so basically if this was a relay and usain bolt ran an average speed then you want the other runners to win the race, and if they dont you're going to say "ah but the other guys should have run faster than the fastest guy in the world??"

[Khanya]

What about the 20/20 squad?

[McT]

Ever seen Australia going 6 an over chasing 120?

Nope, they always die trying!

[Sting]

really genius? our 3rd batsmen makes 20 runs at about a run a ball and you want number 4, 5 and 6 to do the work?? in essence bat better than the best batsmen in the team

explain your logic here, so basically if this was a relay and usain bolt ran an average speed then you want the other runners to win the race, and if they dont you're going to say "ah but the other guys should have run faster than the fastest guy in the world??"

3rd batsman? what about the 1st and 2nd and 4th? Maybe if they had come to the party in all the games then it would have been a different story.

[killadoob]

Lead by example stephen, show why you rated as one of the greatest Sa batsmen, Chris gayle is basically the WI hope of ever doing well in a game, you see him plodding singles? No he either goes out and does the job or goes early wasting no balls so the rest of his team can fail :D. The point however he tries to win for the WI. Shows the class of the man. Not worried about his stats just about getting big runs to help his team.

True WI legend just like lara.

[LancelotSA]

He pointed that out quite clearly in his post.

No he didn't! He was offering it as a reason/excuse as to why they were higher than us on the rankings. Duh again!

And I am desperately waiting to be educated so please don't ignore my earlier post :






Posted by killadoob
Choking is about the way you go down if you ask me, like SA plod for 13 overs while the aussies go guns blazing. The paki's tried more than i can say about our performances.

So can South Africa not choke if they bowl second? They can only choke batting second?

Just trying to ensure I have my ducks in a row as regards this definition of choking.

No one said anything about the Aussies choking (they won) but I am needing to know why you say the Pakis didn't and whether an SA loss in a similar situation would have been called a choke.

I think I am starting to get the hang of this.... choke appears to have nothing to do with how the game was played but it is merely used as another method of SA bashing by fickle fans. But I stand to be corrected and educated further on the correct use of the term.

[Sting]

What about the 20/20 squad?

Same as the ODI squad.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

This reply just show you are also k@k stirrer. Proteas limited over form was awful, their players in the IPL were awful besides Kallis and Steyn and then you wonder why the Proteas lost.

The BIG REASON why England and Australia are doing so well, that MULTIPLE PLAYERS ARE PERFORMING. Not just RELYING ON ONE

and what happened to mister kallis in the last two games of the ipl? he made 4 and 20 odd iirc, failed in the pressure games again while the rest of the RCB played decently.

whos really playing well in the England team? KP, who bats number three, everybody bats around him while he's still going at 150-200 strike rate

[killadoob]

Same as the ODI squad.

Eish no man, the t20 squad could have been a platform to put in up and coming talent :(.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

3rd batsman? what about the 1st and 2nd and 4th? Maybe if they had come to the party in all the games then it would have been a different story.

yes now they did, but what about the other games in previous cups, they didnt always bat badly when he choked, like the 438 game, gibbs got 150, smith got 90 and he came and got 4 :rolleyes:

AB has been the only decent batsmen we had the time, and he got out trying to lift the rate while kallis did nothing

[LancelotSA]

and what happened to mister kallis in the last two games of the ipl? he made 4 and 20 odd iirc, failed in the pressure games again while the rest of the RCB played decently

So you are now effectively saying that there should not have been high expectations of SA winning as even their star player was not in form just before the world cup? So they did not choke?

[killadoob]

So you are now effectively saying that there should not have been high expectations of SA winning as even their star player was not in form just before the world cup? So they did not choke?

Nobody had high expectations, we knew deep down we had no chance. The same as i want bafana to win the world cup but i know it is impossible. Big tournament's are not something we ever actually think SA can do well in.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

a simple google search: http://www.google.co.za/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=chokers+cricket&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

9 out of 12, show who the real chokers are

bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Sting]

Nobody had high expectations, we knew deep down we had no chance. The same as i want bafana to win the world cup but i know it is impossible. Big tournament's are not something we ever actually think SA can do well in.

Now I really DO agree with you!!

[Khanya]

Ok then.. The selectors should omit Kallis in both 20/20, let him plod in the ODI's and what he's master at & his natural game - Test arena. & make way for fresh young talent.
What's going on with Gibbs?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

So you are now effectively saying that there should not have been high expectations of SA winning as even their star player was not in form just before the world cup? So they did not choke?

what?? who said he wasnt in form? he scored big runs then failed at the pressure game, then he scored big runs( i think he's still in the most runs list) then failed in the pressure game

[killadoob]

Now I really DO agree with you!!

Yup sadens me that you do but such is life i guess :D. No worries though we got some tours we should kick ass in, will lighten the mood as usual.

Before i die though i just want a world cup!!!!!!! just one. Although with zim 2.0 coming i reckon ENG will one day win the world cup with an entire SA team :D.

[LancelotSA]

Nobody had high expectations, we knew deep down we had no chance.

You see this is where it all gets very confusing. You all seem to have your own definitions going here.


obviously you need to check a dictionary, i just got mine out here: In sports, a choke is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Ok then.. The selectors should omit Kallis in both 20/20, let him plod in the ODI's and what he's master at & his natural game - Test arena. & make way for fresh young talent.
What's going on with Gibbs?

he forgot to get high before the game :p

[killadoob]

Lance do you know about bookie sites?

Did you happen to notice who was priced up as favourite?

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Lance do you know about bookie sites?

Did you happen to notice who was priced up as favourite?

they didnt take the number of games played into account :rolleyes: rookie bookie mistake :p

[Stephen]

really genius? our 3rd batsmen makes 20 runs at about a run a ball and you want number 4, 5 and 6 to do the work?? in essence bat better than the best batsmen in the team

explain your logic here, so basically if this was a relay and usain bolt ran an average speed then you want the other runners to win the race, and if they dont you're going to say "ah but the other guys should have run faster than the fastest guy in the world??"

Lamest Analogy ever plus against England Kallis went out with 15 overs to go plenty of time for the rest of the team. Against Pakistan 10 overs again plenty of time for the other players


Lead by example stephen, show why you rated as one of the greatest Sa batsmen, Chris gayle is basically the WI hope of ever doing well in a game, you see him plodding singles? No he either goes out and does the job or goes early wasting no balls so the rest of his team can fail :D. The point however he tries to win for the WI. Shows the class of the man. Not worried about his stats just about getting big runs to help his team.

True WI legend just like lara.

Please, do some research on the icc trophy we won. Kallis has won us more games that Gayle has ever done for the West Indies


and what happened to mister kallis in the last two games of the ipl? he made 4 and 20 odd iirc, failed in the pressure games again while the rest of the RCB played decently.

whos really playing well in the England team? KP, who bats number three, everybody bats around him while he's still going at 150-200 strike rate

Please RCB wouldnt have reach the semi if it wasnt for Kallis. Answer me this Einstein, why doesnt Tendulkar average a 100?

[Khanya]

Come now be serious...

[killadoob]

http://www.paddypower.com/football/international-football/world-cup-betting?ev_oc_grp_ids=273288

Here is betting for us getting out of our group in world cup lance, if you are unsure how to work it out lance take 15 divide by 8 gives you basically 18/10 lance which means for every rand you put on them you get R 1.80 back.

They have all the major tournaments so keep an eye on them.

Ummm kallis has not won us more games dude, go look at how many games the west indies have won, you will find in all them gayle scored big or they were playing Zimbabwe :D. Go look at how many games kallis us lost us by batting slow, used to kill me in 50 over game and it is still killing me in the 20 over game. He takes all momentum out of the game.

He is even pretty lame in tests, sure he gets some hundreds but geez it takes him like 500 deliveries :D.

[LancelotSA]

Lance do you know about bookie sites?

Did you happen to notice who was priced up as favourite?

Unfortunately overall odds are difficult to come by now but I did find these :

World Twenty20 Betting: Pakistan v South Africa - Tobias Gourlay Says: Back Pakistan at [2.48] to beat South Africa (if they bat first)

World Twenty20 Betting: New Zealand v South Africa - Ed Hawkins says: back New Zealand at [2.28]

So more and more and more evidence of SA not actually choking as there was "no expectation" or "favourite tag"!

[Khanya]

20/20 is about strike rate not average.

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Lamest Analogy ever plus against England Kallis went out with 15 overs to go plenty of time for the rest of the team. Against Pakistan 10 overs again plenty of time for the other players



Please, do some research on the icc trophy we won. Kallis has won us more games that Gayle has ever done for the West Indies



Please RCB wouldnt have reach the semi if it wasnt for Kallis. Answer me this Einstein, why doesnt Tendulkar average a 100?

so what, they didnt win it, i couldnt care less what Tendulkar averages, he atleast made the final of a world cup, little kallis hasnt been there


Come now be serious...

we are very serious! how dare you!

[LancelotSA]

He pointed that out quite clearly in his post.


Here is betting for us getting out of our group in world cup lance, if you are unsure how to work it out lance take 15 divide by 8 gives you basically 18/10 lance which means for every rand you put on them you get R 1.80 back.

Oh, did we switch sports now? We have settled the cricket choker discussion have we?

Still awaiting a response to a question that was asked twice now about whether SA would have been called chokers by you if they were Pakistan tonight. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you answered and I missed it.......

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Unfortunately overall odds are difficult to come by now but I did find these :

World Twenty20 Betting: Pakistan v South Africa - Tobias Gourlay Says: Back Pakistan at [2.48] to beat South Africa (if they bat first)

World Twenty20 Betting: New Zealand v South Africa - Ed Hawkins says: back New Zealand at [2.28]

So more and more and more evidence of SA not actually choking as there was "no expectation" or "favourite tag"!

what were the odds for a south african win?

[LancelotSA]

what were the odds for a south african win?

.....


Unfortunately overall odds are difficult to come by now but I did find these :

But those two games it was suggested that the opposition get backed.... doesn't sound like a sure thing to me then! So therefore, based on what I have been taught, they did not choke! :)

[Stephen]

http://www.paddypower.com/football/international-football/world-cup-betting?ev_oc_grp_ids=273288

Here is betting for us getting out of our group in world cup lance, if you are unsure how to work it out lance take 15 divide by 8 gives you basically 18/10 lance which means for every rand you put on them you get R 1.80 back.

They have all the major tournaments so keep an eye on them.

Ummm kallis has not won us more games dude, go look at how many games the west indies have won, you will find in all them gayle scored big or they were playing Zimbabwe :D. Go look at how many games kallis us lost us by batting slow, used to kill me in 50 over game and it is still killing me in the 20 over game. He takes all momentum out of the game.

He is even pretty lame in tests, sure he gets some hundreds but geez it takes him like 500 deliveries :D.

Absolute rubbish, if it wasnt for Kallis we would have lost the test series against England at Newlands we were in big trouble and Kallis' hundred saved our a%%es, i know I was there.

The only ICC tourney we have won:

http://content.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66167.html

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/66169.html

The only recent ish ICC tourney the Windies have won:

http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/80/80744.html

Oops busted

[Stephen]

so what, they didnt win it, i couldnt care less what Tendulkar averages, he atleast made the final of a world cup, little kallis hasnt been there



we are very serious! how dare you!

Well tendulkar hasnt won a trophy yet, so who cares how many finals he has reached. You still havent answered my question, why doesnt Tendulkar average a 100

[LancelotSA]

He (Kallis) is even pretty lame in tests, sure he gets some hundreds but geez it takes him like 500 deliveries :D.

:rolleyes:

Ok, this may be the comment that finally proves it is not sensible to try and argue cricket with killa...

[Stephen]

:rolleyes:

Ok, this may be the comment that finally proves it is not sensible to try and argue cricket with killa...

Yes Kallis is rubbish in test dont you know, he doesnt hit those 20 ball thirties that will always win test matches :rolleyes:

[LancelotSA]

Yes Kallis is rubbish in test dont you know, he doesnt hit those 20 ball thirties that will always win test matches :rolleyes:

Yip, Kallis is useless in all forms of the game. I have no idea what he is still doing there! ;)

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/Clipboard0151.jpg

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/Clipboard0213.jpg

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Well tendulkar hasnt won a trophy yet, so who cares how many finals he has reached. You still havent answered my question, why doesnt Tendulkar average a 100

i really dont see what you're trying to get at here but enlighten me, why doesn't tendulkar average 100?

[AirWolf]

This evenings game was one of the best T20 matches I have ever watched - Aussies looked dead and buried, and then they pulled it out of the bag [again]. They thrive on pressure situations - it fuels their hunger for the win.

I can't believe you guys are arguing over 10 pages about choking :wtf:

[The_Pumpkin_King]

This evenings game was one of the best T20 matches I have ever watched - Aussies looked dead and buried, and then they pulled it out of the bag [again]. They thrive on pressure situations - it fuels their hunger for the win.

I can't believe you guys are arguing over 10 pages about choking :wtf:

you werent even involved, imagine me just realising i wasting valuable GOW3 time :p

+1 to the best T20 game

[Stephen]

i really dont see what you're trying to get at here but enlighten me, why doesn't tendulkar average 100?

No come on you are always the one with those snippy answers and those wonderful links. Its what makes cricket the interesting sport it is ?

[killadoob]

I have seen better t20's, we chased down over 200 against aus if i recall that was epic :D.

Wow kallis is only 8th in the test rankings :eek:, i thought he would have been in the top 2 the way you guys carry on

[sand_man]

:rolleyes:

Ok, this may be the comment that finally proves it is not sensible to try and argue cricket with killa...hahaha, Lance, arguing with Killanoob, regardless of the topic, is not sensible!!! The man knows it all.... :whistle:

[Sting]

So tomorrow we have the finals to be held in Barbados:

Men: England vs Australia at 17h30
Women: New Zealand vs Australia at 22h00

/rain is predicted....

[The_Pumpkin_King]

So tomorrow we have the finals to be held in Barbados:

Men: England vs Australia at 17h30
Women: New Zealand vs Australia at 22h00

/rain is predicted....

if it did rain does it move to monday?

[Sting]

if it did rain does it move to monday?

I don't think so. I have been trawling the web and cannot find any mention of a reserve day. In theory it should revert to on of the standard T20 deciders, i.e. a bowl out, either outdoors or indoors! Note this is not a super over, wich is used in the event of a tie. Here 6 bowlers each bowl a ball - most strikes is the winner!

Can someone else check as well, please?

[killadoob]

hahaha, Lance, arguing with Killanoob, regardless of the topic, is not sensible!!! The man knows it all.... :whistle:

I don't know it all but i do have opinion just like everyone, not my problem that i do not agree with you or lance for that matter.

Generally i find when people run out of arguments they have none and then turn to making silly comments like the above one. Show me why kallis is so amazing, show me what kallis has done that is so amazing, show me a double century, errrm ok wait you cannot. Don't come show me kallis standing around for 300-400 balls to get 110.

Go look at some of the all time great players, go look at their test scores, strike rates and what not. Kallis is awesome if you need to block for 2 days to save a game. Best in the business.

[Stephen]

I don't know it all but i do have opinion just like everyone, not my problem that i do not agree with you or lance for that matter.

Generally i find when people run out of arguments they have none and then turn to making silly comments like the above one. Show me why kallis is so amazing, show me what kallis has done that is so amazing, show me a double century, errrm ok wait you cannot. Don't come show me kallis standing around for 300-400 balls to get 110.

Go look at some of the all time great players, go look at their test scores, strike rates and what not. Kallis is awesome if you need to block for 2 days to save a game. Best in the business.

Oh my, its getting sillier by the day. I have said many times , there is one thing having an opinion but another for telling lies

[killadoob]

Lies? show me the lies please?

Sachin strike rate in tests

86.26

kallis

44.44

That ain't no lie brother that is a fact. Now people want to compare the 2? I think kallis may have the slowest strike rate if you look at the top test batsmen, also he may be only the top 10 ten test batsmen with no double century.

This is his higest test score

189* 581 443 19 3

sachin in a 50 over game

200* 226 147 25 3 136.05

Eish wena kallis cannot hit 200 off 443 balls sachin can do it in 147 :D.

[sand_man]

Generally i find when people run out of arguments they have none and then turn to making silly comments like this one. "Show me why kallis is so amazing, show me what kallis has done that is so amazing, show me a double century, errrm ok wait you cannot. Don't come show me kallis standing around for 300-400 balls to get 110."Jacque Rudolph has a test double century. What's your point? You think standing around for 300-400 balls to save a test match is easy??!!! Once again illustrates your total lack of knowledge on the fundamentals and intricacies of the sport.


Go look at some of the all time great players, go look at their test scores, strike rates and what not. Kallis is awesome if you need to block for 2 days to save a game. Best in the business.Perhaps you should take your own advise. I don't need convincing. I been following the sport long enough to know my a55 from my elbow when it comes to the players and their stats...

In any event, I too do not want to become another forumite wasting time and bandwidth trying to educate you so.... here's a couple of articles you may want to take in... they may just help you down the thorny path of knowledge

http://www.southafrica.info/about/sport/greats/kallis.htm

http://cricket.yahoo.com/cricket/blog/partabramchand/187/187partabramchand

http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php?topic=22718.0

[killadoob]

I know all about kallis i have watched him for years.

A related criticism often made of Kallis is that he doesn't score fast enough in limited overs cricket.

I am not the only person to feel kallis is a bit slow, so educate me all you want but many other people feel the same. Sandman are you saying kallis bats fast or what? Are you denying he is a slow batsmen? I have stats that prove you wrong, got nothing to do with me being a know all, his stats show a slow batsmen. If you disagree then so be it but stats don't lie.

I have no doubt kallis is talented but i hate the slowness of his cricket in all formats and no he does not always have to save us when he faces 300+ deliveries. So that is a very weak argument. Let's drop the kallis thing, stats are there for everyone to see he is slow and this argument will lead nowhere because kallis fans think he is a fast batsmen regardless of the proof in their face.

[Nicky_G]

Create a Kallis or choking thread. This is about the t20 world cup. You guys are derailing this thread even though it was pointed out.

[killadoob]

Create a Kallis or choking thread. This is about the t20 world cup. You guys are derailing this thread even though it was pointed out.

Yes indeed

So place your bets

16:00 Australia v England

4/7 ( 5/10)

11/8 (13/10)

Bookies reckon aus are home and dry :D. I am going with england to win it.

[Sting]

I wonder what odds for an Aussie double? Men and Women...

[sand_man]

A related criticism often made of Kallis is that he doesn't score fast enough in limited overs cricket.

I am not the only person to feel kallis is a bit slow, so educate me all you want but many other people feel the same. Sandman are you saying kallis bats fast or what? Are you denying he is a slow batsmen? I have stats that prove you wrong, got nothing to do with me being a know all, his stats show a slow batsmen. If you disagree then so be it but stats don't lie.Indeed they don't. Do you think Gary Kirsten batted slow? Or Brian McMillian? What about Sourav Ganguly? Or Ian Bell from England? Nathan Astle of NZ? Martin Crowe? I can go on and on and on... Rahul Dravid? Stephen Fleming? VVS Luxman? The only thing these batsman have in common with Kallis is a similar ODI strike rate. Other than that they not even on the same planet as him....


I have no doubt kallis is talented but i hate the slowness of his cricket in all formats and no he does not always have to save us when he faces 300+ deliveries. So that is a very weak argument. Let's drop the kallis thing, stats are there for everyone to see he is slow and this argument will lead nowhere because kallis fans think he is a fast batsmen regardless of the proof in their face.I didn't bring up the 300+ delivery argument. You did... I merely pointed out that often when a batsman playing in a test match bats for as long as that it's normally to save a test match. You seem to think facing 300-400 deliveries in an innings in a test match is a sign of weakness. I'm telling you it a sign of immense skill and extreme powers of concentration. Some of the greatest knocks of all time won't be Rudolph's double century in a test against Bandgladesh, it will be Atherton (http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/359361.html) facing 492 deliveries to save England from defeat at the Wanderers...

Anyway, I agree, let's agree to disagree. Agreed?? :)

[sand_man]

Create a Kallis or choking thread. This is about the t20 world cup. You guys are derailing this thread even though it was pointed out.How is discussing Kallis's form in the T20 World cup OT??

[Sting]

How is discussing Kallis's form in the T20 World cup OT??

'cos it has gone way beyond T20.

[killadoob]

Ya have derailed it so nicky is not wrong, so come lads who do you think will win it?

so far we have one vote for england

Cock on block time :D

[sand_man]

OZ will take it. SA A will choke, Tait, Nannes and Mitchell will be unplayable on that Kensington Oval deck... It's often been said about teams in a slump, they don't know how to win, OZ don't know how to lose. They had no right winning yesterdays game but they bloody well did...

[Sting]

Oz for the double.

[OzzieCapie]

Ok right this is not a Kallis thread, you guys have gone quiet now that the Aussies have once again shown that they don't give up.

...but one thing I have noticed here as oppsed to Aussie forums or in the pubs or wherever...you guys show a lot of overt hatred towards other teams..." I hate the Poms/Pakis/Aussies etc"/... "If they win I am never going to watch again"..." xxxx is a bastard".

The Aussies just focus on loving their own team rather than hating other teams, and that is one of the reasons they are successful...they are not distracted by what other teams do or are...the fans are like that, thats how they are in pubs or wherever etc and the players are like that.

Then , when your team loses...guess what..you now 'hate ' your own team too..."Kallis is a this, Smith is a that, Gibbs this/Duminy that".

Again....the Aussies don't do that. They lose and they just hate losing and say "hey we are going to **** them next time"...doesn't matter who.

Guys...support your team, forget about other teams...if your team is not in the semi or final, then either don't watch the other teams (ignore them)...or if you do watch because you would like to see a good game, then wish either team well (or your favourite).

...but all this 'hatred' is negative energy which carries through from fickle fans to the national team. Hating another team or player or hurling insults at players (such as White) who you don't know the character of...does nothing to the success of your team.

cheers

[Khanya]

Australia will definately win (it's a bit obvious). & they'll remain unbeaten as well.

[SlowInternet]

It's going to be a very good final. Australia and England deserve to be there. They have played the best cricket.

[killadoob]

Gone quiet, i'm sorry did you miss the epic amounts of people saying how good the aussies are that they never give up?

I suggest you read some comments that happened after they won, far from nasty and all i saw was loads of respect and compliments. We then climbed in to the kallis issue :D and went into how we suck compared to the fight and grit of an aussie.

[Mamajyot]

England looking very good. Hate to admit but damn KP is looking smoking(cricket wise) !

[lilggg]

Aus will take it,they have BMT and have so many players who can step up and have a massive innings if required.

[LancelotSA]

England? Australia? England? Australia? England? Australia?

Damn, I can't decide. Is it possible for both of them to lose? ;)

Probably go England as we can then claim the victory! :D

[LancelotSA]

The Aussies just focus on loving their own team rather than hating other teams, and that is one of the reasons they are successful...they are not distracted by what other teams do or are...the fans are like that, thats how they are in pubs or wherever etc and the players are like that.

Then , when your team loses...guess what..you now 'hate ' your own team too..."Kallis is a this, Smith is a that, Gibbs this/Duminy that".

Again....the Aussies don't do that. They lose and they just hate losing and say "hey we are going to **** them next time"...doesn't matter who.

Guys...support your team, forget about other teams...if your team is not in the semi or final, then either don't watch the other teams (ignore them)...or if you do watch because you would like to see a good game, then wish either team well (or your favourite).

...but all this 'hatred' is negative energy which carries through from fickle fans to the national team. Hating another team or player or hurling insults at players (such as White) who you don't know the character of...does nothing to the success of your team.

Have you not picked up that this hatred for anything South African is not limited to the cricket team by a lot of members on this forum? Great to see someone else point out how fickle it is to all of a sudden hate your team or rescind your support because they lose. I personally prefer to refer to it as pathetic.

(Although I'm sure you could regard my previous post to demonstrate hatred to both these teams ha ha. That I actually do get but hating ones own team I don't)

[CHURCHILL]

Right here we go, come one England

[Sting]

Oz 7-2, 2nd over !!

[Sting]

Oz 15-3, 4th over.

[JK8]

Seems like Aussies already played their final...
Go England!!! :D

Shame 4 finals and they lost all.
Atleast they made the final 4 times lol!!! Unlike... :p

[Sting]

Oz 99-5 off 16.2 overs

[JK8]

They gonna make 150 WTF?

[Sting]

Australia after 20 overs = 147-6

[CHURCHILL]

Aus did well to get out of trouble, but if England don't panic and bat like they have done so far in this comp, they should win.

[JK8]

@ Ozzi the problem is that Aus don't lose as much and as often as SA does.
But Ponting did get some flack couple years ago when India and SA beat them.

[Abe]

For all those anchor critics, look at England. 68/1 after 9 overs. Kieswetter anchoring at a run a ball and Pieterson having a go at the bowling. Look how well it works. Hussey played the same role for Aus when they lost early wickets. This is what we were missing, we had one aspect (anchor) but not the other.

For the record, when comparing Kieswetter to Kallis, he has a lower average, lower strike rate and can't bowl yet no one complained about his place in the England side.

Our problem was that our strikers weren't striking, our middle order was tepid and Smith captaincy, was poor.

[hj2k_x]

Come on, ENGLAND

[chiskop]

Yep, south africa is going to take this game easily.

[JK8]

YAY England!
All u lousy Proteas supporters hope you not taking the credit, that's just sad... Clutching at straws lol....

[chiskop]

Lol at the commentators: "That wasn't a great leave."

[Abe]

YAY England!
All u lousy Proteas supporters hope you not taking the credit, that's just sad... Clutching at straws lol....

???

Firstly, why are we lousy because we support SA and secondly who is taking credit for anything?

You should be ashamed to live in this country yet support other teams above us.

[CHURCHILL]

Well done ENGLAND!!!!!!

[Otumeel]

God save their glorious Queen ...

I vowed not to watch another game and I did. But I heard that England won and I'm ecstatic!!!!

I'm more ecstatic however that Aussieland didn't win to tell the truth.

[JK8]

I'm not ashamed at all Abe.
And just for the record I will be supporting India when they here later this year. So take the time to digest and live with it, k!?

[killadoob]

For all those anchor critics, look at England. 68/1 after 9 overs. Kieswetter anchoring at a run a ball and Pieterson having a go at the bowling. Look how well it works. Hussey played the same role for Aus when they lost early wickets. This is what we were missing, we had one aspect (anchor) but not the other.

For the record, when comparing Kieswetter to Kallis, he has a lower average, lower strike rate and can't bowl yet no one complained about his place in the England side.

Our problem was that our strikers weren't striking, our middle order was tepid and Smith captaincy, was poor.

148 on the board. They also never let the run rate climb to 12 by the 9th.

So i can agree with anchoring but in a good way like england, we anchor to the extent that we are needing 12-14 runs an over. Not even close to the same abe. 68/1 off 9 is great when you chasing 148. When you are chasing 148 and you have anchored to 41/1 after 9 you have a problem. So we are not critiquing the anchoring, it is the way we anchor that is the problem.

[dabbler]

Well played England. Good game. Good win.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Khanya]

So unjust for Australia! After having a 100% win record.

[killadoob]

So unjust for Australia! After having a 100% win record.

Not really england have looked the part the whole tournament. They are a good side who play positive cricket just like aus, i think the final was great. 2 of the best teams and eng came out on top. English cricket is looking good now, got some good solid talent with a winning mentality.

[LancelotSA]

So unjust for Australia! After having a 100% win record.

They choked when it counted! :D

[Sting]

Chokers!!!!

[LancelotSA]

I'm not ashamed at all Abe.
And just for the record I will be supporting India when they here later this year. So take the time to digest and live with it, k!?

In future I will refer to JK8 when talking about someone who supports anyone other than SA.

I realise he just does it for the attention it garners but it is still rather sad. Shame. I wonder whether he has seen the KFC switcher add yet... definitely him they had in mind.

[LancelotSA]

Some interesting things mentioned on cricinfo commentary :


So, hugs, handshakes and backslaps all round as England have won their first world title in cricket!

From all the talk on here I thought it was only us!


Spare a thought for the Australians. They were the team to beat in this tournament, and England were the only ones to manage that feat! They were utterly dominant in the group stages and Super Eights. Their self belief and a magical innings from Michael Hussey powered them to a stunning win in the semi-final over Pakistan, but they have not been at their best today. England looked and played like the more professional side, and they are deserving champions.

What's the definition of that again? Oh yeah, chokers!!!!

[Abe]

So i can agree with anchoring but in a good way like england, we anchor to the extent that we are needing 12-14 runs an over. Not even close to the same abe. 68/1 off 9 is great when you chasing 148. When you are chasing 148 and you have anchored to 41/1 after 9 you have a problem. So we are not critiquing the anchoring, it is the way we anchor that is the problem.

The difference is not the player anchoring but the people who are going after the bowling. Ours aren't. You should have one anchor and one striker in for the first half of the game. Our strikers are c..p.

[OzzieCapie]

@ Ozzi the problem is that Aus don't lose as much and as often as SA does.
But Ponting did get some flack couple years ago when India and SA beat them.

No-one is asking for Clarke's head, like the Smith haters.

Clarke's figures in this tournament: 92 runs Highest 27 (last game) average 15.33 Strike rate 80.70 4 fours 1 six


Smiths's figures in this tournament: 92 runs Highest 36 average 15.33 Strike rate 80.70 4 fours 1 six


Kallis's figures in this tournament: 171 runs Highest 73 average 34.20 Strike rate 116 6 fours 8 six

And SA played two less games, plus Kallis is more of anchor role

[AirWolf]

Well done to England - really thought that Australia would win it.

I wonder how much England paid Billy Doctrove :p

[stefan9]

Well done to england. Their selectors pick the right players. Guys like kieswetter made a real difference. Something for our selectors to ponder before the next icc event.

[SlyFly]

You got to ask yourself why England is sitting with all the good SA players... Somewhere someone is doing something wrong not to keep those players in South Africa...

It's basically a South Africa/England Mix team that beat Australia...

[killadoob]

You got to ask yourself why England is sitting with all the good SA players... Somewhere someone is doing something wrong not to keep those players in South Africa...

It's basically a South Africa/England Mix team that beat Australia...

We tend to stick with old players for decades, so my thinking is that people who want to get in our team will have to wait for the ballies to retire before they get in. England has a serious lack of talent so it makes sense to go to england. Youngsters cannot get into our team easily and that is why they are opting to leave and further their career's in england it seems to me anyhow.

[stefan9]

You got to ask yourself why England is sitting with all the good SA players... Somewhere someone is doing something wrong not to keep those players in South Africa...

It's basically a South Africa/England Mix team that beat Australia...

We have the talent they just aren't being picked. Guys like miller,ingram,rossouw would have made a difference. Instead they went with the same guys who let us down time and time again in icc events.

[Stephen]

148 on the board. They also never let the run rate climb to 12 by the 9th.

So i can agree with anchoring but in a good way like england, we anchor to the extent that we are needing 12-14 runs an over. Not even close to the same abe. 68/1 off 9 is great when you chasing 148. When you are chasing 148 and you have anchored to 41/1 after 9 you have a problem. So we are not critiquing the anchoring, it is the way we anchor that is the problem.

Good grief are you still moaning, sniff sniff. I have a nice cheddar or bree to go with your whine

[Stephen]

Oh well at least the Proteas did better than the Arrogant Indian team :D

[alf101]

Good grief are you still moaning, sniff sniff. I have a nice cheddar or bree to go with your whine

I'm still sad about the 1992 WC.
Got something for me?

[SlyFly]

I think its time to axe everyone that isn't performing and show them that we aren't afraid to replace them, they have to play for their spots...

Only keep Graeme Smith (Drop him as captain), Kallis, AB (Make him Captain), Albie, Steyn... We need to build a new team, those 5 okes can be the experience bring in 6 new players... Maybe Boucher aswell... Drop that Rudolph make Botha the only spinner, that oke atleast tried to win us the game and he can bowl...

[Stephen]

I'm still sad about the 1992 WC.
Got something for me?

Jeepers, you might need the heavy artillery then, how about a very mature roquefort ;)

[JK8]

I say remove captaincy from Smithers.
Drop Kallis from 20Twenty.
Boucher needs to go, he is the worst performing batsmen on the International scene. Give the gloves to AB! Kuhn is good but no space for him now.
Mould a dedicated spinner.
Develop Parnell as a strike bowler.
Morne needs to up his game or he needs to go aswell.

But most of all, introduce new young players under 22 and not start developing them after 25+.

[Stephen]

Its all well and good wanting a different team for 20/20, but do you think CSA will cough up the money to send 7 extra players just for 2 games (which seems to be the norm) when touring

[OzzieCapie]

No-one is asking for Clarke's head, like the Smith haters.


Spoke too early:

In today's SMH


MICHAEL CLARKE'S tenure as Australia's 20-over captain could be finished, with the heavy defeat to England in the final of the World Twenty20 exposing his batting as the team's biggest flaw.

Cameron White has the numbers to take over from Clarke. Not the numbers in the back room - yet - but the statistics that show he is in a different class when it comes to batting in the shortest format.

White has led his state side, Victoria, to the Big Bash title, winning four of the past five championships. Clarke has never played a domestic Twenty20 game for NSW, nor has he featured in the Indian Premier League, and is clearly lacking practice in scoring quickly.



You got to ask yourself why England is sitting with all the good SA players... Somewhere someone is doing something wrong not to keep those players in South Africa...

Just for the record, neither of those players left at the time because they wouldn't get picked for Proteas if they performed.

Pietersen in particular, was a spin bowler who 'batted a bit' and thought he may do better in England with the opportunity he was given, and I would say he is more highly paid now there than he would have ever been in SA.
His batting only blossomed after he left SA.


We tend to stick with old players for decades, so my thinking is that people who want to get in our team will have to wait for the ballies to retire before they get in.////// Youngsters cannot get into our team easily and that is why they are opting to leave and further their career's in england it seems to me anyhow.

The SA test team actually had an average of something like 27 vs Australia's 31 when they toured here 18 months ago. ...despite the inclusion of Kallis, Ntini etc (and both of them were picked young).

You don't have the evidence to back up that Pietersen would not have been picked for SA at an earlier age than when he got into England team.

[killadoob]

See i like the way the aussies do things, they see problems and try fix them. You don't perform they try something different.

We don't perform and just get stuck doing the same shyte tournament after tournament.

Trouble is ozzie we do not try new players often enough, stick with the old people who generally let us down. It will never change and england will become a cricketing power house because of us :D.

[Stephen]

See i like the way the aussies do things, they see problems and try fix them. You don't perform they try something different.

We don't perform and just get stuck doing the same shyte tournament after tournament.

Trouble is ozzie we do not try new players often enough, stick with the old people who generally let us down. It will never change and england will become a cricketing power house because of us :D.

Rubbish again, Australia kept Taylor, Hayden and Michael Hussey for a long time while they werent performing. Even Ponting hadnt been performing for a while and they persisted with him. You just seem to have a particular agenda with certain players and thats a FACT

[chiskop]

You just seem to have a particular agenda with certain players and thats a FACT

Yep. This is true. :D

[killadoob]

Yep. This is true. :D

So you are happy sticking with the same people who let us down all the time? No i am not pointing fingers at any player, just cannot understand why a guy like gibbs who i have loved is in the team when it's obvious he is over the hill, why play a 36 year old when we have an abundance of talent and people wonder why we are losing players to england.

I have no agenda other than to see SA do well and if we do not start getting in young talent how will we move forward? Funny how you leave out all the new aussies and highlight only the old ones.

[superskully]

Rubbish again, Australia kept Taylor, Hayden and Michael Hussey for a long time while they werent performing. Even Ponting hadnt been performing for a while and they persisted with him. You just seem to have a particular agenda with certain players and thats a FACT

Not exactly true.
Not sure about Taylor but Hayden and Martyn were given chances at a young age and were dropped (they played poorly against SA).
But they came back with a bang.
Back then, (probably one of the best cricket teams) any player that performs CONSISTENTLY poorly were dropped while they had a long line of players coming in.
With Hussey, he was overlooked, never given a chance. But he gained experience. And he burst onto the scene.
He only had a poor time against us recently, but Aus had so many injuries they had to stick with him to get form. And he did (after SA i.e.)

[Stephen]

Not exactly true.
Not sure about Taylor but Hayden and Martyn were given chances at a young age and were dropped (they played poorly against SA).
But they came back with a bang.
Back then, (probably one of the best cricket teams) any player that performs CONSISTENTLY poorly were dropped while they had a long line of players coming in.
With Hussey, he was overlooked, never given a chance. But he gained experience. And he burst onto the scene.
He only had a poor time against us recently, but Aus had so many injuries they had to stick with him to get form. And he did (after SA i.e.)

I disagree, i am talking about how Australia kept these players while going through a bad patch in the various formats

[killadoob]

They went through a bad patch because they were on a talent finding mission, Give this guy a chance if he fails give some else a chance. Aussies are not stupid and have dominated world cricket for a reason. They bring in youth, they bring in prospects and give them a chance. We always stick with the same players until they retire.

We stick with 36 year old players while hot talent sits waiting for a chance thinking F we should have gone to england because we would more than likely be playing now. Seems to me if you want play for SA you have to wait for people to retire because you will not be given many chances, maybe one game and if you fail well that is it for your career go to england and wait 5 years to get it going again :D.

[Stephen]

So you are happy sticking with the same people who let us down all the time? No i am not pointing fingers at any player, just cannot understand why a guy like gibbs who i have loved is in the team when it's obvious he is over the hill, why play a 36 year old when we have an abundance of talent and people wonder why we are losing players to england.

I have no agenda other than to see SA do well and if we do not start getting in young talent how will we move forward? Funny how you leave out all the new aussies and highlight only the old ones.

So basically what you are saying is a player just has to fail once and he is gone.

[Stephen]

They went through a bad patch because they were on a talent finding mission, Give this guy a chance if he fails give some else a chance. Aussies are not stupid and have dominated world cricket for a reason. They bring in youth, they bring in prospects and give them a chance. We always stick with the same players until they retire.

We stick with 36 year old players while hot talent sits waiting for a chance thinking F we should have gone to england because we would more than likely be playing now. Seems to me if you want play for SA you have to wait for people to retire because you will not be given many chances, maybe one game and if you fail well that is it for your career go to england and wait 5 years to get it going again :D.

Unfortunately besides Amla it has only been the old guard that has been performing lately

[ryu]

i'm not a big fan of england but man was i cheering for them in the final !

i hate it when the aussies win but thankfully the pommies came through with the help of a pair of south africans i might add :D

[superskully]

Unfortunately besides Amla it has only been the old guard that has been performing lately

I think we should not include Tests. We probably have the best test team, a great batting line-up and the best bowler by far.
We did beat England, draw with india in india, beat Aus in Aus though lost to them at home.
But have not done well in ODI and T20. We actually beat Aus when Smith was not there.
It should also be noted that its more difficult for the older players to change to T20.
Rather give Kallis a rest at T20 and breed new and younger players.
ODI, mix them and tests leave as it is.
Reagrding a boucher comment, Boucher was 2nd highest scorer in India behind Amla. But he has been poor in shorter form of the game.

[Stephen]

I think we should not include Tests. We probably have the best test team, a great batting line-up and the best bowler by far.
We did beat England, draw with india in india, beat Aus in Aus though lost to them at home.
But have not done well in ODI and T20. We actually beat Aus when Smith was not there.
It should also be noted that its more difficult for the older players to change to T20.
Rather give Kallis a rest at T20 and breed new and younger players.
ODI, mix them and tests leave as it is.
Reagrding a boucher comment, Boucher was 2nd highest scorer in India behind Amla. But he has been poor in shorter form of the game.

The one thing I noticed while looking at the scorecards of the 2 series against Oz is team work. A lot of players chipped in where needed. Unlike in the 20/20 World Cup. But enough of the tournament a new series starts tomorrow :)