Steve Jobs: Folks Who Want Porn Can Buy Android

[Rouxenator]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/steve-jobs-google-android-iphone-porn,news-6522.html


One concerned Apple customer wrote to Steve Jobs:

Steve,
I was converted to Apple products with the announcement of the iPhone 3G. (My friends have been trying to convince me for years.) Since then I’ve purchased 4 iPhones, 2 computers, several routers, and miscellaneous other items. Unfortunately, I’m really starting to have a philosophical issue with your company. It appears that more and more Apple is determining for it’s consumers what content they should be able to receive. For instance, the blocking of Mark Fiore’s comic app (due to being political satire) or blocking of what Apple considers to be porn.

I’m all for keeping porn out of kids hands. Heck – I’m all for ensuring that I don’t have to see it unless I want to. But… that’s what parental controls are for. Put these types of apps into categories and allow them to be blocked by their parents should they want to.

Apple’s role isn’t moral police – Apple’s role is to design and produce really cool gadgets that do what the consumer wants them to do.

Thanks for listening
-Matthew

Steve Jobs replied:
Fiore’s app will be in the store shortly. That was a mistake. However, we do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy and Android phone.

No Steve - its not about porn, its about freedom.

Apple has the intense desire to be in control of everything - how ironic that you once made that the famous 1984 superbowl ad...

OMFG how I hate the apple mentality :sick:

[Jola]

Yep, I won't touch apple products with a bargepole - overpriced junk !

[VertigoZA]

Both of you are idiots.

Every other platform is completely open.. Apple is a closed platform. As far as I can see, that is "thinking" VERY "different"
What you both fail to miss is that people buy Apple because it IS a controlled environment.. the last thing I'd want is for Apple to pander to people like you, and open up the platform. It would be a huge mistake. [Added: To be honest, I hope Apple takes the closed software environment one step further an implement an App store for OSX as well]

My advice to you; stop telling us how much you'd never buy Apple products. Nobody cares.

P.S not sure if you've noticed, but Apple seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, $235 billion worth of well to be exact.

[Rouxenator]

Have a look at the old 1984 superbowl ad and get some background on the story of 1984. This is exactly what apple is turning into. The funny thing is, that is precisely the apple way. First they ran on Motorola CPUs and blasted IBM saying how inferior they were - then they ended up using IBM PowerPC CPUs. Then they blasted intel saying how weak their pentiums were compared to PowerPC - and now they are running intel CPUs.

Steve Jobs is a self righteous smug hippie, he is the biggest troll of all and in the end he his a hypocrite for doing exactly what he said he would not do. His disciples live in his controlled environment and are mindless clones of him. They blindly believe when he says apple is the best. When he does away with sex they blindly follow him. When he says others copy from Apple, they believe him. Lets not forget that famous quote : "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have this rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said, 'Hey, that's not fair! I wanted to steal the TV set'"

[VertigoZA]

Have a look at the old 1984 superbowl ad and get some background on the story of 1984. This is exactly what apple is turning into. The funny thing is, that is precisely the apple way. First they ran on Motorola CPUs and blasted IBM saying how inferior they were - then they ended up using IBM PowerPC CPUs. Then they blasted intel saying how weak their pentiums were compared to PowerPC - and now they are running intel CPUs.

Steve Jobs is a self righteous smug hippie, he is the biggest troll of all and in the end he his a hypocrite for doing exactly what he said he would not do. His disciples live in his controlled environment and are mindless clones of him. They blindly believe when he says apple is the best. When he does away with sex they blindly follow him. When he says others copy from Apple, they believe him. Lets not forget that famous quote : "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have this rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said, 'Hey, that's not fair! I wanted to steal the TV set'"

You need help.. and maybe a teddy bear to cuddle at night.

[Synaesthesia]

Porn Apps are banned. So what. Just use the web.

[Jola]

My advice : stop telling us how much you buy Apple products. Nobody cares.

Fixed for you

It's just a niche product with 4% of the market.

[Rouxenator]

You guys are way off topic actually - this is about apple controlling everything and people buying into that.
Its not about me or my love for freedom (thus hate of apple).

[VertigoZA]

You guys are way off topic actually - this is about apple controlling everything and people buying into that.
Its not about me or my love for freedom (thus hate of apple).

Then don't buy their products? What's the problem here?

[sand_man]

this is about apple controlling everything and people buying into that.
I wonder what percentage of iPhones are jail broken. Perhaps the mods can start a poll. Mine is..

[sand_man]

You guys are way off topic actually - this is about apple controlling everything and people buying into that.
Its not about me or my love for freedom (thus hate of apple).Everything in life is controlled mate. Think about it, absolutely everything. When was the last time you tried to get the latest firmware for your Nokia without a European code?? You ever watched a avi or wmv file on a Nokia without a 3rd party app? There restrictions and limitations everywhere but they made to violate which is why hackers are such a revered bunch...

[VertigoZA]

I wonder what percentage of iPhones are jail broken. Perhaps the mods can start a pole. Mine is..

But of silly poll...

It would be like having a poll on a porn website asking how many people watch porn?

[undesign]

Have a look at the old 1984 superbowl ad and get some background on the story of 1984. This is exactly what apple is turning into. The funny thing is, that is precisely the apple way. First they ran on Motorola CPUs and blasted IBM saying how inferior they were - then they ended up using IBM PowerPC CPUs. Then they blasted intel saying how weak their pentiums were compared to PowerPC - and now they are running intel CPUs.

Steve Jobs is a self righteous smug hippie, he is the biggest troll of all and in the end he his a hypocrite for doing exactly what he said he would not do. His disciples live in his controlled environment and are mindless clones of him. They blindly believe when he says apple is the best. When he does away with sex they blindly follow him. When he says others copy from Apple, they believe him. Lets not forget that famous quote : "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have this rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said, 'Hey, that's not fair! I wanted to steal the TV set'"

To summarise: shareholders' return :)

[Rouxenator]

Uhm, this is like forum and all, and you kinda like share news and stuff here? Did you get the memo?

Anyways, so that's why I shared the whole thing with Steve Jobs and his Android remark. Yeah, I read it over at Tom's and thought I'd post it here for others to read. So no problem really - just sharing some news.

[sand_man]

just sharing some news.thanks for sharing....

[ghoti]

Thought this was apt.


Ah, Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple and master of all you survey. You’re a highly moral man. We can tell from your serious expression, your steel-rimmed glasses and the turtlenecks you always wear. And if we need further proof, it seems you also want to keep porn out of our children's hands.

You feel so strongly about the subject that you're willing to publically chastise your old friends at Google. We asked a straight question: will you ever allow us to put applications on your mobile devices that you haven't explicitly vetted? Your reply was surprising: “There's a porn store for [Google's] Android… you can download it, your kids can download it. That’s a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to.”

Hang on Steve, we weren't talking about porn there were we? We were talking about applications in general. You know -- card games, calorie counters -- innocent stuff. You've sold over three billion of these babies already -- we assumed you knew what we meant.

I can understand you not wanting porn in your store, Steve. Most porn is gross and it really doesn't fit with Apple's brand. And I can see why it's different from the explicit lyrics in some of the 10-billion songs you've sold on iTunes. That's music, which is, like, art.

But we weren't talking about your store Steve, we were talking about my iPhone. Why can't I put whatever software I want on it? Didn't I buy it from you? I'm sure I remember giving you the money.

You know Steve, this is sounding more and more like you don't want anyone horning in on your racket and less and less like a moral crusade. If you let everyone put whatever they want on their iPhones, iPods and iPads, then they won't visit your app store as much, and that would suck.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-04-21-steve-the-big-brother-shtick-is-getting-tired

[Keeper]

if you need porn on your phone everywhere you go, you have bigger problems mate

[Rouxenator]

That’s a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to.
Oh really? Like you would not be going IBM and then - oops now we have PowerPC. Or like when you would never go with inferior pentiums and now - oops were running intel CPUs.
Your disciples might believe you - the rest of us don't.

[sand_man]

The beauty of Apple's products is that they work, and they work well. Besides the unfortunate period before Jobs returned, their stuff has been in a totally different class to Windows stuff. It's been fast, efficient and stable where Windows is always cumbersome and buggy. Why? Control. Windows as an OS has to run countless combinations of third party hardware most running their own "home-made" drivers, each with its own bugs; Apple far less so. All its core hardware is standardised and therefore it can be more efficient and well tuned; also having less need for third party drivers, it is less susceptible to external bugs.

The thing is that while open source and the freedom to choose your hardware from a wildly vast pool is fantastic, the fact is that this freedom creates its own problems, which manifest in unreliability, inefficiency and instability... all of which are diametrically opposite to Apple's goals.

Some people just want a really good product that works really well. Those people will buy Apple. The rest of us - those who are looking for bargains, or who want the bleeding edge of hardware technology, or who love tinkering and tweaking - those people will go with Windows or Linux.

The bottom line is that I believe Steve is not looking for control for control's sake (though his megalomaniacal reputation may seem to contradict this). I believe he is trying to protect the positioning of his brand the way he always has done - by keeping control over what goes in... and so he should do. Valid points I thought...

[ghoti]

Valid points I thought...

All your posts are belong to Steve.

[Rouxenator]

That was to highlight what hypocrites they are - although I believe they are not going to back off this one anytime soon. Apples wants to control your everything and thats how you like it.

[ghoti]

XBox, Playstation, Nintendo, and countless other companies, including cell phone companies also have "closed" systems. Why are people always bitching about Apple?
You clearly dont visit the console sections of this forum then.

A closed system guarantees a good experience for the customer. Kind of sucks, but if you don't like it there's always Android!
LOL :D

[Budza]

I'm with Roux on this. Apple people pay their stupid tax then try to convert the rest of us to make themsleve feel better. BlackBerry users are doing the same thing...

We need the two extemes- fanbois and haters to balance each other out so the normal oke (me I guess, though I lean towards hater) can make decisions based on some sort of middle ground between both sides.

Form follows function in my books, which cuts out almost all Apple products- THINK ABOUT IT!

[VertigoZA]

That was to highlight what hypocrites they are - although I believe they are not going to back off this one anytime soon. Apples wants to control your everything and thats how you like it.

I think you're being a bit harsh here. Imagine you were forced to stick with the same beliefs and opinions you had in 1984. I don't think it's hypocrisy, it's changing with the times to a model best suited to the current environment. That's also called "good business".

[Synaesthesia]

Apple products are functional.

[h1d3ki]

with this type of response from jobs, leads me to believe that apple is now bigger than their customers?! honestly if a customer has a query regarding your product would you really tell them to F-off and buy something else?!

[Aqua_lung]

I doubt the authenticity.

[VertigoZA]

Form follows function in my books, which cuts out almost all Apple products- THINK ABOUT IT!

I disagree, it's because of the closed Apple eco-system, that everything "functions" so well together. There's a lot to be said for the peace-of-mind one gets from sticking Apple products. (My Airport Express streams music via my Airport Extreme, connected to my Macbook Pro's iTunes library which I can control via my iPhone. All of this is incredibly easy to setup and operate, so much so my gf could likely do it)

[Keeper]

quick question - why can't these guys that need porn permanently on the phone just copy images to it?
or copy movies onto it?
or use the safari browser?

why the need for a porn App? I don't see the use of something like that - i mean, what's the USE of such an app? a big button that sends you to a url in safari or a photo gallery? i don't get it?

[Tacet]

I'm not an Apple fan - don't have one, don't want one. But this attitude of theirs regarding porn gives them a +1 in my books. They sell units on which porn is limited. You buy, guess what, units on which porn apps are limited. I bought a Nokia5800 on which I can run only Symbian. Not the OS I like most, but I chose the phone and I won't complain simply because Nokia won't release all the specs to allow OS developers to put something else on.

Package deal - nice device, cool features, (for some) less cool limitations... To buy or not to buy - choose.

[Aqua_lung]

Honestly folks, dont believe everything you read, this is fake.

[Budza]

I disagree, it's because of the closed Apple eco-system, the everything "functions" so well together. There's a lot to be said for the peace-of-mind one gets from sticking Apple products. (My Airport Express streams music via my Airport Extreme, connected to my Macbook Pro's iTunes library which I can control via my iPhone. All of this is incredibly easy to setup and operate, so much so my gf could likely do it)

You are forced to use Apples products/programs though. Can't just plug your pod into my PC and get my music. Can't get your devices to interface with 85% of the rest of the world. Functional. Sure.

[VertigoZA]

You are forced to use Apples products/programs though. Can't just plug your pod into my PC and get my music. Can't get your devices to interface with 85% of the rest of the world. Functional. Sure.

Well that's the system you choose to buy into. I, like many other users have chosen this, it wasn't forced upon us. I don't have a need to interface with 85% of the world. I just want my life to function. This system works really really well for me. People just need to understand that Apple has a different approach.. if it doesn't suit you, then don't use it. There are so many other alternatives for you to choose from.

Some of the words used to describe apple in this forum show a lack of understanding on this issue.

[...and I kind of take offense to being called a mindless Apple drone because I choose this system]

[Devill]

You need help.. and maybe a teddy bear to cuddle at night.

Mate you need the one on the right

http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/012010/small_ipad%20vs%20maxipad.jpg

[Rouxenator]

Imagine you were forced to stick with the same beliefs and opinions you had in 1984.
Dude, 1984 is a 1949 novel by George Orwell about how messed up things are in the future year 1984. It is about a big brother government that controls all the aspects of society where people live in poverty but are lead to believe things are much better than before (spot a similarity here).

Anyways, in 1984 Apple pulled an extremely clever stunt (I will give them that much - it was brilliant). During the most watched moment on TV, the American super bowl, they aired an ad that plays off in the fictional world of Orwell's 1984. IBM is depicted as Big brother and Apple's freedom runner "shatters" big brother. The ad ends with "why 1984 won't be like 1984"
Read more here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_(television_commercial)

What is ironic about it that a few years later Apple was using IBM chips in their computers.
EDIT : Not only that, but now they are turning into big brother themselves.

Honestly folks, dont believe everything you read, this is fake.
Don't believe everything you buy - especially if you are buying fruits.

[Jabberwocky]

Jobs: "Folks who want porn can buy Android"
Me: "ok"

whats the problem?

I don`t like the guy, but I don`t see a problem with him being honest about his product`s self-imposed limitations.

[murraybiscuit]

android ftw. i'm with keeper here about porn apps.
why do you need an app when you already have the largest porn app on your phone - your browser.
although... a large percentage of 'apps' are really just glorified arb web pages anyway.


Folks who want porn can buy and Android phone.
but honestly people. if this was legit would jobs really have screwed up the grammar?

[Aqua_lung]

Most of the porn apps are spam crap anyway, man... Apple haters look for the smallest reason, lol pathetic. Makes me love apple even more by stroking my "I'm more superior" ego lol.

[VertigoZA]

Dude, 1984 is a 1949 novel by George Orwell about how messed up things are in the future year 1984. It is about a big brother government that controls all the aspects of society where people live in poverty but are lead to believe things are much better than before (spot a similarity here).

Anyways, in 1984 Apple pulled an extremely clever stunt (I will give them that much - it was brilliant). During the most watched moment on TV, the American super bowl, they aired an ad that plays off in the fictional world of Orwell's 1984. IBM is depicted as Big brother and Apple's freedom runner "shatters" big brother. The ad ends with "why 1984 won't be like 1984"
Read more here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_(television_commercial)

What is ironic about it that a few years later Apple was using IBM chips in their computers.
EDIT : Not only that, but now they are turning into big brother themselves.

Don't believe everything you buy - especially if you are buying fruits.

Thanks pumpkin.. we all know about Orwell's book, as well as Apple's ad. What I was saying applied to the year, not the book.

[ponder]

Restricting people on what they can use on devices they paid for is just wrong.

Reminds me of the Afrihost crowd, accepting, accepting until they get fscked over. Where is Apple going to draw the line. It's BS, period!

[PeterCH]

You clearly dont visit the console sections of this forum then.

LOL :D

I know some people don't often associate things very well but he has a point.

Have you tried to play a backed up XBOX360 game on a DVD-R on an XBOX360?

It won't work. Yup. You need the original disk and if you hard-hack your console, MS can ban you from Live. MS also does not support you there.

Apple OSX is a wonderful open platform. The iPhone OS platform is however closed without jail breaking.

Oh and as for the PS3:



Games: Sony Can Update PS3 Firmware Without Permission on Thursday April 22, @01:00PM
Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday April 22, @01:00PM
from the you-got-sony'd dept.
sony
Stoobalou writes "Sony's latest firmware update comes with a revised End User License Agreement which allows the company to change any part of the console's operating system without notification or permission. You might think you own the console you paid for, but Sony has a very different idea."

http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/04/22/1641225/Sony-Can-Update-PS3-Firmware-Without-Permission

[ponder]

Two wrongs don't make a right ;)

[PeterCH]

Two wrongs don't make a right ;)

Sure, but people need to vote with their wallets.

[ponder]

Sure, but people need to vote with their wallets.

I did many years ago ;)

[burn]

Why do you need a porn app anyway? Just open Safari and fap away. Not sure why you would want to on that tiny screen anyway....

****it, not even sure why you want an app on a phone ;) The best feature I've ever had on a phone is a torch, R250 Samsung FTW!!! :p But I guess I only have this attitude because my MBP never leaves my side...

[milomak]

do they state their restrictions when you buy the product? i don't think i'd get a porn app, but what if i was the kind of guy that wanted one and i wasnt aware it was blocked at sale point. that is surely a consumer issue.

i have a macbook pro btw


edit: and i think the people who ask why you need a porn app miss the point. the whole point of an app is that someone can come with a great idea that enhances your experience. how they would do that with respect to porn i do not know. but to write off why you would need such an app is foolish. if we held the same kind of view for many things; there would basically be no apps for your iPhone or Android phone.

What if there is iPhone app that gives you a scripture reading for the day? What's the point of that if you can just use the browser to go to a site? I mean let's face it even a facebook app falls into the same category. So to a Twitter app.

[paint_by_numbers]

Personally I don't there is anything wrong with Apple saying that someone's software is a piece of crap and don't want to put it on the iTunes store. They want the best possible experience for their consumers and if that means stopping people from downloading spam and **** on their phone then I applaud it. I have an Android phone and it frustrates me constantly when trying to trawl through all the thousands of crappy applications to find one that works.

[PeterCH]

do they state their restrictions when you buy the product? i don't think i'd get a porn app, but what if i was the kind of guy that wanted one and i wasnt aware it was blocked at sale point. that is surely a consumer issue.

i have a macbook pro btw


edit: and i think the people who ask why you need a porn app miss the point. the whole point of an app is that someone can come with a great idea that enhances your experience. how they would do that with respect to porn i do not know. but to write off why you would need such an app is foolish. if we held the same kind of view for many things; there would basically be no apps for your iPhone or Android phone.

What if there is iPhone app that gives you a scripture reading for the day? What's the point of that if you can just use the browser to go to a site? I mean let's face it even a facebook app falls into the same category. So to a Twitter app.

Apple restrictions are unfair. I have a Mac Pro and it's open - I can install shareware, commercial software, freeware, open source stuff and I could even install warez on it and it all works. Imagine what a flop the OSX platform would be if you could only buy software from Apple.com (and with their approval). Well in OSX badly written apps haven't killed Apple as a computing platform. Why would they kill the iPhone/iPad?

[Rouxenator]

Ovi-Wan-Kenobi says : iTuned you not to buy apple...

[Aqua_lung]

Restricting people on what they can use on devices they paid for is just wrong.

Reminds me of the Afrihost crowd, accepting, accepting until they get fscked over. Where is Apple going to draw the line. It's BS, period!
Uhmm... you're getting worked up over an unproven claim, Steve jobs never said this, it's not confirmed.

[Rouxenator]

Well it sounds like smug-talk so it is most likely Steve Jobs.
If it sounded like words from heaven then it would have most likely been Steve Ballmer.

[undesign]

Well it sounds like smug-talk so it is most likely Steve Jobs.
If it sounded like words from heaven then it would have most likely been Steve Ballmer.

ADMIT IT - you're a closet Apple and Intel fanboi!!! :D

[Aqua_lung]

Well it sounds like smug-talk so it is most likely Steve Jobs.
If it sounded like words from heaven then it would have most likely been Steve Ballmer.

If you find Ballmer exciting then you have seriously low standards. Maybe the throwing chairs things excites you?.. guess thats expected from a winloser.

[Rouxenator]

Dude you have no idea how low my standards are. Yet I still view apple culture as primitive and it fails to comply with my standards - and no - it is not because it exceeds them, it is inferior to them.
I have respect for SOME things that apple did - as do I for intel. But that they are unethical, anticompetitive and just down right dumb in most cases is undeniable.

[Aqua_lung]

Dude you have no idea how low my standards are. Yet I still view apple culture as primitive and it fails to comply with my standards - and no - it is not because it exceeds them, it is inferior to them.
I have respect for SOME things that apple did - as do I for intel. But that they are unethical, anticompetitive and just down right dumb in most cases is undeniable.

Since you've never used an apple product, your opinion does not matter, I use both so have a leg to standard on..

[Rouxenator]

Since you've never used an apple product, your opinion does not matter, I use both so have a leg to standard on..

I have never had aids either and I have some opinions about it. The whole "you need to have it to talk about it" stance is apple-fanboi-decoy talk and does not work as an argument invalidator.

next.

[sand_man]

I have never had aids either and I have some opinions about it. Yes but if you did have aids it would give your opinion far more credibility. I don't think I've ever recalled an example on here where a Nokia user has tried an iPhone, hated it and then gone back to Nokia or any other brand for that matter....

[Tanya35]

Have a look at the old 1984 superbowl ad and get some background on the story of 1984. This is exactly what apple is turning into. The funny thing is, that is precisely the apple way. First they ran on Motorola CPUs and blasted IBM saying how inferior they were - then they ended up using IBM PowerPC CPUs. Then they blasted intel saying how weak their pentiums were compared to PowerPC - and now they are running intel CPUs.

Steve Jobs is a self righteous smug hippie, he is the biggest troll of all and in the end he his a hypocrite for doing exactly what he said he would not do. His disciples live in his controlled environment and are mindless clones of him. They blindly believe when he says apple is the best. When he does away with sex they blindly follow him. When he says others copy from Apple, they believe him. Lets not forget that famous quote : "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have this rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said, 'Hey, that's not fair! I wanted to steal the TV set'"
Just to correct you a little. PowerPC WERE the best. They had no memory addressing problems like the Intel chips. It was only once Intel had caught up with their own RISC or pseudo version that Apple decided to change. The reason was that the upward path of PowerPC didn't seem solid. AMIGA also found this out and that company folded and then bought out.

Other companies do copy Apple in many ways. Apple were the first with a PC that had a graphical interface and mouse. There's no dispute about that. I believe that what is happening now is they are perhaps forcing the innovation too much. Sometimes these things need to happen spontaneously, without pouring buckets of money into them. Jobs is too old now to come up with anything new. He's also not hungry enough either, but who would replace him?

[Tanya35]

Yes but if you did have aids it would give your opinion far more credibility. I don't think I've ever recalled an example on here where a Nokia user has tried an iPhone, hated it and then gone back to Nokia or any other brand for that matter....

I have tried the iPhone and found it too gimmicky, tricky to type on and (at the time) limited (no cut/paste, no multitask, etc etc). That technology may be the future, but I can wait. I don't need to spend a fortune on a product I can't upgrade or replace the battery on, just to show off.

[Rouxenator]

Just to correct you a little.

Apple were the first with a PC that had a graphical interface and mouse. There's no dispute about that.
uhm.... no.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

First touch screen phone ?
http://www.gsmarena.com/ericsson_r380-195.php
Yeah, it ran Symbian :p

[Aqua_lung]

Just to correct you a little.

uhm.... no.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

First touch screen phone ?
http://www.gsmarena.com/ericsson_r380-195.php
Yeah, it ran Symbian :p

You do know the xerox was a concept right? the concept actually existed around the late 50's, Apple had to design a complete OS with user functionality in mind so started from scratch, the Xerox was not usable as a mainstream OS, Microsoft had it easier and just ripped of Apple.

[Tanya35]

Just to correct you a little.

uhm.... no.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

First touch screen phone ?
http://www.gsmarena.com/ericsson_r380-195.php
Yeah, it ran Symbian :p
Wiki is what you make it. I used the phrase PC (personal computer) carefully, since the Xerox wasn't even a commercial product.

[Rouxenator]

Quite a few Alto's were sold and used in various industries, so it was a commercial product - perhaps not a personal computer like the one you would use at home. It probably was too expensive for that, likewise was the offerings from Apple and thus the IBM PC outsold them by a long shot.

The Xerox was first and it was a good commercial product. SmallTalk was a conceptual language in the 50's because there was not sufficient processing power to develop an OO language - but in due time it did happen - at Xerox - on the Alto. Apple and Microsoft did make similar products but only self loving smug hippies (read Steve Jobs) would be so vain as to claim someone stole the idea from them. The lord and saviour Bill Gates set the record straight when he once told a self loving smug hippie "No, Steve, I think it's more like we both have this rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said, 'Hey, that's not fair! I wanted to steal the TV set'".

Jy kan 'n Apple produk uit 'n d**s haal, maar jy kan nie die d**s uit 'n Apple user haal nie.

[Aqua_lung]

The lord and saviour Bill Gates

I agree with you here, Bill gates is the son of God, Steve Jobs. I worship both equally.

[surfs-up]

This all just sounds to me like tight-fisted folks, that try to justify why they will not spend the extra money required, on a far superior product. Shell out the cash on a new iMac, and you will be converted.

WRT the blocking of porn apps - good for you Jobs, like the others have said - what is the big deal ? if you are really into porn, then open the browser and see it on the web....or cram porn pictures into your photo library of your iPhone, or add porn movies into your iPhone - if that's what rocks your boat. Or better still - get a girlfriend, then you won't have the desire to play with porn on your phone - you will have the real thing.

[PeterCH]

You do know the xerox was a concept right? the concept actually existed around the late 50's, Apple had to design a complete OS with user functionality in mind so started from scratch, the Xerox was not usable as a mainstream OS, Microsoft had it easier and just ripped of Apple.

Even if you were correct, and you're not, but even if you were, and it was a concept, it was a concept XEROX developed - Apple saw and implemented. It was XEROX' invention and not Apple's. It's the concept which counts and not who makes money with plebs employing it.

[Aqua_lung]

Even if you were correct, and you're not, but even if you were, and it was a concept, it was a concept XEROX developed - Apple saw and implemented. It was XEROX' invention and not Apple's. It's the concept which counts and not who makes money with plebs employing it.

The concept existed before xerox, I cant remember the guys name now but there are videos of him giving lectures about future tech in the 50s. Mouse and Gui was one of them.

Edit:
This is father of the mouse+UI concept not xerox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart

[PeterCH]

The concept existed before xerox, I cant remember the guys name now but there are videos of him giving lectures about future tech in the 50s. Mouse and Gui was one of them.

Edit:
This is father of the mouse+UI concept not xerox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart

Yes this further moves it away from Apple.

[Aqua_lung]

Yes this further moves it away from Apple.

I never said it was Apple's innovation, I said it's not xerox's.

[PeterCH]

I never said it was Apple's innovation, I said it's not xerox's.

Actually I read the Wiki on Xerox GUI and they say a few thousand machines were shipped (not sold to the masses) but used in universities and institutes and corporations. It was more than a concept. It was a fully functional concept people actually used for work - you could say things were produced on it - stuff was done. Jobs came along one day and was impressed by it, decided he would put a crippled version in his 128K Mac. Had Jobs not seen the working Xerox machines would he have developed Apple in the direction it headed? We don't know. We do know that he copied their idea and made money off the plebs. Anyone else would be free to do the same.

[Aqua_lung]

Actually I read the Wiki on Xerox GUI and they say a few thousand machines were shipped (not sold to the masses) but used in universities and institutes and corporations. It was more than a concept. It was a fully functional concept people actually used for work - you could say things were produced on it - stuff was done. Jobs came along one day and was impressed by it, decided he would put a crippled version in his 128K Mac. Had Jobs not seen the working Xerox machines would he have developed Apple in the direction it headed? We don't know. We do know that he copied their idea and made money off the plebs. Anyone else would be free to do the same.
I think this link will clear up the confusion...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface

I gave most credit to Engelbart, but I was mistaken yes Xerox had a working GUI.

[PeterCH]

The concept existed before xerox, I cant remember the guys name now but there are videos of him giving lectures about future tech in the 50s. Mouse and Gui was one of them.

Edit:
This is father of the mouse+UI concept not xerox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart
Whose researchers went to work for Xerox. But who was Engelbart inspired by? Vannevar Bush and his "As We May Think".
Bush features in the critically acclaimed 1999 anime Serial Experiments Lain.
http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lain.htm#bush

When you consider what Jobs did - he was just a marketer - but the real wisdom, inspiration came from guys like Bush. The real glory should go to the guys in Stanford, MIT etc and not in Cupertino, although I still like Woz.

BTW ---> S.E.L is one show worth seeing.
http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lain.htm
Lawrence Eng has an ancient site on the title.