View Full Version : Underage gaming... this is what it "can" lead to
James
05-07-2005, 08:44 PM
OK, this is some seriously forked up poo. An 11-year-old boy appeared in court yesterday in the UK to explain how he was driven to commit a violent act after playing a PlayStation 2 game.
He was playing "The Incredibles" on the PlayStation 2 and dying a lot while his seven-month-old nephew kept crying in the other room. Apparently, this angered the pre-teen enoough to pause the game, grab a knife and stab the toddler in the stomach.
Ten minutes after stabbing the baby, the boy arrived at the friend's house, telling his mother: "I have done something awful. Something really bad has happened to [the baby]." On returning home, the boy's mother found the baby bleeding in a carry cot.
The baby was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery, and remained there for six days.
They should hang the little bastid and nutter the father. He shouldn't be allowed to procreate anymore. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Yeah.
Source
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9932
Luke7777
05-07-2005, 08:54 PM
They should hang the little bastid and nutter the father. He shouldn't be allowed to procreate anymore. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. Yeah.
I agree, but not sure which kid you're talking about. I don't like to be interupted while gaming either :D
slimothy
05-07-2005, 09:23 PM
this crap was going on since mortal kombat back in the day, games dont kill people, retards kill people. Look if this kid was that messed up he would even consider doing this (and he had to think about it before hand because he got the knife and went to the baby) then he was unstable with or without games, if he was immersed in a book or a game of bounce the ball off wall he would have done the same, because he's obviously a messed up kid.
Blaming games for violence is the same as blaming guns for murders, cars for accidents and food for obesity.
Q: Why did they leave the baby alone with the little kid?
Think about it...
peered95
05-07-2005, 09:27 PM
WTF...the incredibles :huh:
James
05-07-2005, 09:40 PM
Just scary how many violent inncodents are some how brought back to games.... makes you wonder!
AcidRaZor
05-07-2005, 09:47 PM
duuuude, i've been playing games ever since i was old enough to walk... to date, playing ANY game hasnt angered me as much to do bodily harm to another person... although, I think the simpsons might have had an affect on me seeing as when I was around that age I used to try and strangle my friends if they piss me off
watch out.... ;)
ghoti
05-07-2005, 10:29 PM
My daddy can frag your daddy!
slimothy
05-07-2005, 10:37 PM
Just scary how many violent inncodents are some how brought back to games.... makes you wonder!no i think its amazing how every incident with violence with kids will somehow get linked to games and then how the press will use that to say "OMG THIS KID KILLED THAT OTHER KID WHILE PLAYING PACMAN #D ON THE FLUFFY BUNNY LEVEL"
think about it, they did the same to those columbine kids with marilyn manson, those kids never even listened to marilyn manson. Also how many kids play games, seriously, ALOT, we're talking half of all gamers are under 18, so its sort of retarded to assume any violent incident is caused by the games. I played alot of games and I have yet to kill a single person.
If I added it up and saw how many violent incidents could even partially be linked to some video game and compared that to how many violent icidents were linked to bullying, girls, money, drugs, status you pick it, anything you can think of, and lemme tell you that you'd get maybe 3 murders a year for games and 10 000 - 100 000 a year for [insert anything else here]
The kid was messed up, if it wasnt blamed on games (and the incredibles, i mean OH MY *** its not even a teensy weensy bit violent) it would be action films, or skateboarding, or loud music or his dad that left when he was a baby or somethign equally retarded, are you telling me the mother never suspected this little kid had violent tendancies? why would she leave a baby with a kid anyways, even i know thats not right.
I blame it on nsync
Luke7777
05-07-2005, 10:52 PM
hmmmm, must stop the kids watching Tom&Jerry (animal cruelty), reading Jack&the Beanstalk(murder & theft by the poor & less-privileged), etc,etc....yawn
Simple Twist Of Fate
06-07-2005, 12:02 AM
OK, mosts points are tru, but how to explain kids jumping off the roof coz they think they can fly ?............Superman? Mary Poppins?
or is it just lack of parental supervision?
I also dont believe that a sensible kid will do anything stupid just cause he watched a movie or played a game, but it does happen.
Even the Producers of America,s Funniest have to repeat warnings to the stupid little kids in case they go swing from a tree, or parasail off the garage roof with an umbrella.
....... coz when sh88t happens someone always wants to blame someone else.
Like the guy who smoked 40 camel cigs a day and then sues the Mnf'rs when he gets lung disease!
SUE? who me me? ......... 'a BOY CALLLED sue? "the late great 'jOHNNY cASH
Simple Twist Of Fate
06-07-2005, 12:34 AM
Frozen out - that's the fate of the latest Kulula.com television advert, which shows someone using an ordinary household refrigerator in a bid to teleport to Durban.
After a complaint pointing out that children die climbing into fridges, the Advertising Standards Authority ordered the ad withdrawn.
The advert shows a man trying to transport himself to his mother in Durban by climbing into a refrigerator.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20050705112309786C359845
False advertising?..........lol Teleporting
oh maybe this is wrong topic...... its kinda related though..........
tibby.dude
06-07-2005, 01:28 AM
"I was like an erupting volcano" ... crap ... he is a fecking yob and a lout ... typical coddling of the esp UK youth with they are taught no dissicipline and do such crap.
Recently a 15y old assaulted and raped his teacher in her classroom in the UK and the defense was that his family was disfunctional ... grrrr.
Just give me 5 minutes with this kid and I will sort him out.
TMoose
06-07-2005, 01:31 AM
Ah, but that's the thing, sensible kids won't do stuff like kill or jump off buildings, but KIDS aren't SENSIBLE.
You can't tell me that watching violent movies or playing violent videogames from a very young age will have no effect on a kids developing mind. Some of them (not all, because everybody is different) will go out and try the things they see, weather they watched a porno or killed somebody in a game.
I'm an adult, but I KNOW I've been desensitized by all the crap I've seen in my life. When I was little movies where people got shot was shocking to me, now something like Saving Private Ryan it just another movie.
It's true that I won't go out and kill somebody because of what I see in a movie, but it's also true that some people will, and therefore that a world without these elements would probably have less violence in itself. If you want to know what constantly being exposed to horrific scenes do to people you can just think back to the middle ages when people cheered and laughed while others were killed in the most horrific ways right in front of them. These were ordinary people that grew up from a young age believing that this was right and normal.
Everybody should be free to choose, but why do we enforce age restrictions on cigarettes, movies and alcohol but not on games? Games come with age restrictions, and I feel they should ask for your ID if you're some 8 year old wanting to buy Manhunt. Parents should also be made aware of what you can actually do in games these days, because many of them still think of games like Pacman and Asteroids when they think of computer games.
Anyway, just my 2c.
Simple Twist Of Fate
06-07-2005, 02:02 AM
because many of them still think of games like Pacman and Asteroids when they think of computer games.
heh chomp chomp
slimothy
06-07-2005, 02:31 AM
what are you talking about tmoose, how is age restrictions on games relavent here?
1) games do have restrictions
2) he was playing a disney game, the incredibles, its non violent, fluffy rubbish
I find it interesting you saw the words 'video games' and 'murder' and said, ah, that violence in games, messing the kids up. This has nothign to do with violence in games because its not a violent game, your argument with parents think thier kids are playing pacman is funny because theres is a mini pacman game in the incredibles and the incredibles may as well be pacman, but the kid stabbed that baby all the same.
I'm sorry but if you're honestly suggesting this is a normal kid and without the incredibles video game wouldnt have stabbed that baby, then I think theres no hope at all. He's obviously a little pycho with all sorts of problems and would have snapped anyways, but because he snapped while playign a video game its a big deal, if he did it while knitting it wouldn't have been that bad in the eyes of the public... its messed up
slimothy
06-07-2005, 06:39 AM
if he was playing this game i'd understand
http://www.gskinner.com/games/puki/
byt the incredibles??
Luke7777
06-07-2005, 07:41 AM
if he was playing this game i'd understand
http://www.gskinner.com/games/puki/
byt the incredibles??
Slim, i'd love to know which game you were playing when you suggested this (http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=239507&postcount=117) to lilgindauk :D
AcidRaZor
06-07-2005, 08:55 AM
okay, just skimmed through the points made :
It all boils down to the parents. I've spoken to several people about this very thread IRL and they all agree with me that, even though violance is abundant in almost everything, it boils down to the parents and how they raise their children.
The 11 year old was left ALONE with a baby in the house. What does that say about the parent?
"Oh, we'll just give him a game to play and he can take care of himself" and
"The baby can stay here because it should be sleeping"
If my sister spends more than 60minutes away from her children there is ALWAYS some kind of parentals in the room where they're playing. People substituting parenting with a television and a playstation should be shot on site.
I've had the pleasure of gaming ever since I was tiny because my dad has a passion for it. But I dont turn around and kill (or try to) kill someone just because they're disrupting my game (or think that they're disrupting my game)
The values taught and impressed on children by their parents makes them what they are. You get stupid people/children, but even the stupid ones would know what is right and what is wrong with the correct parenting.
It's very disturbing to hear about these kind of accusations. With columbine it was doom. Who the hell played Doom still? When you have quake 3 and unreal tournament going already? Same thing with Marilyn Manson. Have you ever seen an interview with the dude? Although he dresses funny and sings *whatever* he's a decent chap with higher moral standards than ME.
Yet, the finger NEVER gets pointed to the parents. Funny how that is huh?
TMoose
06-07-2005, 10:03 AM
okay, just skimmed through the points made :
It all boils down to the parents. I've spoken to several people about this very thread IRL and they all agree with me that, even though violance is abundant in almost everything, it boils down to the parents and how they raise their children.
The 11 year old was left ALONE with a baby in the house. What does that say about the parent?Read the article again, it says that the father was in the house sleeping.
tibby.dude
06-07-2005, 10:03 AM
Yet, the finger NEVER gets pointed to the parents.
People don't want to take responsibility .... it is far easier to blame somebody else or the society at large or even the govt for their total disregard of their parental duties.
Chris
06-07-2005, 10:07 AM
Yip, if the parents did take responsibility they could go to jail.
TMoose
06-07-2005, 10:08 AM
if he was playing this game i'd understand
http://www.gskinner.com/games/puki/
byt the incredibles??Oh come on Slim, we'll never agree on this. You know why? I've SEEN children copy what they see on TV, even when watching cartoons where the fluffy bunny hits the smiling bear over the head. It has nothing to do with how violent YOU perceive it to be. We're talking about little kids here.
You can believe what you want, I still feel age restrictions on games should be enforced the same way any other age restriction is. I also still feel that parents should be made aware that you can kill, torture and mame in games. You can feel I'm as lost and crazy as you wish, I stand by my point that a society less exposed to violence would be less violent itself.
Kalvaer
06-07-2005, 10:21 AM
okay, just skimmed through the points made :
It all boils down to the parents. I could not agree more noone! Now days Kids are not taught any disipline, They can do what they want and if they get spanked, the parents are in court for Abuse!
Even in schools its the same. I remember if you did something wrong in school you would be sent to the Principles office and have the crap beat out of you.. Now days.. what? You go to his office and have a chat to him, and he speaks to you about what you did wrong.. Hmm HELLO.. You just gave the kid a free period that he wasn't going to work in anyway! I dont think my generation has turned out too bad, and while people may say we have.. Hmmm more kids are killing other kids for stupid things now than when I was young?
There was also that story recently of a Guy in Japan who killed his friend because he sold his online EPIC sword in a game to somebody.. What Gives?
but how to explain kids jumping off the roof coz they think they can fly ?............Superman? Mary Poppins? Hmm well Dont think you can blame movies and games for that... its not just kids its been happening since the dawn of man kind. The greeks tried it, The Romans, Hell i'm sure Adam fell out of tree in eden once or twice trying to fly. If it was not for the human trait that makes us want to explore and find things out we would not be who we are today.
Anyone on a positive note. Heard today on the radio that a survey was released where they tested gamers reflexes against non-games, Gamers came out tops, Meaning they are more likely to spot Children running across the road while driving, or that open Telkom servce point in the sidewalk and wont fall in and break their neck!
*sigh* pac man, damn....good 'ol days...
If games REALLY affected us from a young age, then most teenagers would be running around in dark rooms listening to electronic music while eating magic pills...oh, wait...
:D
stoke
06-07-2005, 01:20 PM
The other day I was playing BF2 and the over the road dog started it's barking thing (as it always does) and I got really cross and punched the punching bag that hangs in the middle of the room.
It's all BF2's fault, and I'm gonna sue them.
vrapt0r
06-07-2005, 05:16 PM
In reply to what that guy talking about how games desensitize people to violence, he is right in a sence, they do but only to things on t.v. and games etc. anything to do with media. The games and movie violence just familierize you with animated or fake violence. But in real life, games cannot come close to the fear that a tramatic event can cause. When I was seven, i had by then shot a billion bullets in games such as quake, i was robbed with me and the rest of my family inside. When they broke in they shot a shot and that was no familier sound, it paralizes you and you just stand there and do what they say, I didn't even think about raising a hand to them. When you are young and naive you think you will be able to kick there asses, but when it actualy happens to you don't realize how scary it really is. The kids that do stuff like kill thier siblings or masacre thier school piers are just naturally violent or pshycologicly unstable. The games didn't teach them to be violent, they just taught them how to go about it.
AcidRaZor
06-07-2005, 06:31 PM
tell me which idiot is going to read it.
The point is you shouldnt HAVE to read it to know it's wrong to perpetuate violence you experience in a game into real life.
I know that.
but im saying the "idiots" that imitate the game itself!
they dont read it!
Only the sensible people will read it or won't do the violent progression portrayed in games.
I mean who invented such "digusting games"
like the "three sisters story"
no personally, im not very aware of what rapists do, but this game is just vile!
Vile to the point of you wanna puke!:eek:
Whats the point, I understand some adults like that mature stuff, but thats taking it to the extreme" killing bitc.hs gta, and swaering(not saying everyone does it)"
it just dont make no sense?
peered95
06-07-2005, 07:39 PM
Nice to see you made a new you lil'g :D
Its people that that kid who raped his teacher and the kid who stabbed his nephue that give gaming a bad name...
Debbie
06-07-2005, 08:59 PM
Some people just need more Oprah in their lives.
slimothy
06-07-2005, 09:02 PM
like music oprah or like faggy talk show host oprah
slimothy
06-07-2005, 09:03 PM
oh wait the music is opera i guess
peered95
06-07-2005, 09:29 PM
Opera is getting fat...then she gets thin, the fat again...
WTF
Clipse
06-07-2005, 10:09 PM
Dude, thats the results of faulty lyposuction machines, ever since she changed to big green cleaning machine.. she stayed fit..
Girl PowaH!! haha
slimothy
07-07-2005, 02:57 AM
Slim, i'd love to know which game you were playing when you suggested this (http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=239507&postcount=117) to lilgindauk :D this one http://fun.drno.de/flash/antcity.swf :)
Gerry
07-07-2005, 02:59 AM
what is your REAL question ?
antowan
07-07-2005, 09:23 AM
The world is a strange place...
/me is just shaking his head at the things mentioned in this thread. Now back to Doom 3 and please don't bug me while I am playing...
:D
Kalvaer
07-07-2005, 09:26 AM
I do not condon this, and be warned there is quiet a bit of foul language... But would this be a case to be worried about like these kids?
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=FPS-Doug
Clipse
07-07-2005, 12:49 PM
Nice to see you made a new you lil'g :D
Its people that that kid who raped his teacher and the kid who stabbed his nephue that give gaming a bad name...
I think, these kind of people give HUMANS a bad name.
James
07-07-2005, 01:28 PM
A WEEPING mother told yesterday how she found one of her twin baby sons lying dead on a sofa under her computer-mad boyfriend.
Zoe O'Leary, 18, spotted the leg of four-month Byron poking out from beneath sleeping James Tuffs who was said to become enraged if interrupted while playing on his Nintendo GameCube.
She said: "James was lying on him. I started shaking and screaming at him to move. He got up and picked up Byron. I said 'Oh my *** you've killed my baby'."
Byron had a fractured skull and two fractured ribs. His brother Tyrese - who was sleeping on the floor - had fractures to his skull, ribs arm and legs. Dad Tuffs, 21, denies manslaughter and cruelty.
Source
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15699609&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=oh-***--you-ve-killed-my-baby--name_page.html
AcidRaZor
07-07-2005, 02:46 PM
I know that.
but im saying the "idiots" that imitate the game itself!
they dont read it!
Only the sensible people will read it or won't do the violent progression portrayed in games.
I mean who invented such "digusting games"
like the "three sisters story"
no personally, im not very aware of what rapists do, but this game is just vile!
Vile to the point of you wanna puke!:eek:
Whats the point, I understand some adults like that mature stuff, but thats taking it to the extreme" killing bitc.hs gta, and swaering(not saying everyone does it)"
it just dont make no sense?
Hopefully the idiots would be as kind to wipe themselves off the human species list. And how is "The Incredibles" vile and disgusting with mature stuff in it? I fail to see how a Disney movie-spoof game seriously inhibited this young chap's moral sense and intelligence so much so that he had to STAB the baby for crying while he was playing.
Pause the game, wake up your FREAKING DAD and tell him the baby is crying. Better yet, go to your b1tch MOM and tell her the baby is crying. Or... see for yourself WHY the kid if crying and try and calm them down or putting the damn dummy back in his mouth so he can suck away and go to sleep.
Yet, he got a knife from the kitchen, went to the baby, and stabbed it for interupting his PG game from Disney. PG = Parental GUIDANCE just btw.
Re: James' post. This behaviour will go through to their young adulthood as well. She's 18 and he 21 and have twins... I bet you he's just like that 11 year old kid, with no better parents than that kid. He grows up thinking it's okay and then ends up destroying someone's life.
I can see stupid people...