Cricket: South Africa tour to West Indies 2010

[Stephen]

Seeing as the first game starts tomorrow, I thought I would start a thread


Wed May 19
18:00 GMT | 14:00 local
20:00 SAST 1st T20I - West Indies v South Africa
Sir Vivian Richards Stadium, North Sound, Antigua


Thu May 20
18:00 GMT | 14:00 local
20:00 SAST 2nd T20I - West Indies v South Africa
Sir Vivian Richards Stadium, North Sound, Antigua


Sat May 22
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
15:30 SAST 1st ODI - West Indies v South Africa
Sir Vivian Richards Stadium, North Sound, Antigua


Mon May 24
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
15:30 SAST 2nd ODI - West Indies v South Africa
Sir Vivian Richards Stadium, North Sound, Antigua


Fri May 28
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
15:30 SAST 3rd ODI - West Indies v South Africa
Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica


Sun May 30
13:30 GMT | 09:30 local
15:30 SAST 4th ODI - West Indies v South Africa
Windsor Park, Roseau, Dominica


Thu Jun 3
14:30 GMT | 09:30 local
16:30 SAST 5th ODI - West Indies v South Africa
Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica


Sun Jun 6 - Mon Jun 7
14:00 GMT | 09:00 local
16:00 SAST TBC v South Africans
Chedwin Park, Spanish Town, Jamaica


Thu Jun 10 - Mon Jun 14
15:00 GMT | 10:00 local
17:00 SAST 1st Test - West Indies v South Africa
Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica


Fri Jun 18 - Tue Jun 22
14:00 GMT | 10:00 local
16:00 SAST 2nd Test - West Indies v South Africa
Warner Park, Basseterre, St Kitts


Sat Jun 26 - Wed Jun 30
14:00 GMT | 10:00 local
16:00 SAST 3rd Test - West Indies v South Africa
Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados



ODI squad for West Indies: Graeme Smith (capt), Jacques Kallis (vice-capt), Hashim Amla, Loots Bosman, Johan Botha, Mark Boucher, AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Charl Langeveldt, Ryan McLaren, David Miller, Morne Morkel, Alviro Petersen, Dale Steyn, Lonwabo Tsotsobe, Roelof van der Merwe

Test squad for West Indies: Graeme Smith (capt), Jacques Kallis (vice-capt), Hashim Amla, Johan Botha, Mark Boucher, AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Paul Harris, Ryan McLaren, Morne Morkel, Alviro Petersen, Ashwell Prince, Dale Steyn, Lonwabo Tsotsobe



GO PROTEAS!!!!

[capetownguy]

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[Stephen]

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Who cares :sick: :sick:

I could never understand people if they dont like something, why do they even read the post let alone comment

[killadoob]

Awesome, should give them a good pomping.

[Wall]

Could you post the squad for the tests, ODI's and T20's?

[killadoob]

Could you post the squad for the tests, ODI's and T20's?

Usual suspects :D. Some young guns who will warm the bench for them :p

[Stephen]

Awesome, should give them a good pomping.

Remember England couldnt reach 52 in a test, the last time they toured. Proteas have to show some respect

[killadoob]

We are a very very good test team dude. We will pomp them badly i reckon in the tests. The odi's and pro20 all depends on gayle, bravo who looks horribly out of form and pollard if he gets going. Limited overs the west indies strike me as a one man team, gayle or they lose. Gayle carries that entire team just like lara did for many years. Great great players who stand up and say i will win this game on my own if i have to :D. Does not always work out for gayle though sadly.

[Stephen]

We are a very very good test team dude. We will pomp them badly i reckon in the tests. The odi's and pro20 all depends on gayle, bravo who looks horribly out of form and pollard if he gets going. Limited overs the west indies strike me as a one man team, gayle or they lose. Gayle carries that entire team just like lara did for many years. Great great players who stand up and say i will win this game on my own if i have to :D. Does not always work out for gayle though sadly.

Been watching cricket for nearly 20 years and its rarely done. Even when Lara or Gayle performs, it is still not enough, still needs support from others. Cant see Gayle taking 20 wickets :D

[Khanya]

Test = Whitewash. Indisputable.

[killadoob]

Been watching cricket for nearly 20 years and its rarely done. Even when Lara or Gayle performs, it is still not enough, still needs support from others. Cant see Gayle taking 20 wickets :D

Yup of course they need support from the others but if they go early there is not enough support to win anything, if gayle or lara got/get going it sets a platform for contribution. Without gayle scoring big upfront i cannot see how the west indies will come close to winning anything.

Since you have been watching cricket for 20 years, let's see how the west indies do when gayle scores big and when he does not. Seems pretty obvious without major contribution from gayle in the batting department they will get smashed in every game test t20 and odi.

[Wall]

We will Demolish them in the tests. Who's going to open with Smith? surely not Prince? why the heck did we push up to open in the first place? Duminy needs dropping.

We will demolish them in the testse!!! We look solid in tests and were unlucky not to win in India and against England ( damn Oinions!!!). ODI's and T20's will be alot closer as an individual ( ie, Gayle, Pollard, Bravo) can singlehandly win a game.

[stefan9]

My side for tomorrow's 20/20.

1.Smith
2.Amla
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.JP
6.Miller
7.Boucher
8.McClaren
9.Botha
10.Steyn
11.Langeveld

[Wall]

Been watching cricket for nearly 20 years and its rarely done. Even when Lara or Gayle performs, it is still not enough, still needs support from others. Cant see Gayle taking 20 wickets :D
:confused:Lara is retired

[stefan9]

We will Demolish them in the tests. Who's going to open with Smith? surely not Prince? why the heck did we push up to open in the first place? Duminy needs dropping.

We will demolish them in the testse!!! We look solid in tests and were unlucky not to win in India and against England ( damn Oinions!!!). ODI's and T20's will be alot closer as an individual ( ie, Gayle, Pollard, Bravo) can singlehandly win a game.

Alviro Petersen will open with smith. Prince and Duminy will battled it out for the last batting spot. Both need a good tour else they may find themselves out for the upcoming tours.

[Wall]

My side for tomorrow's 20/20.

1.Smith
2.Amla
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.JP
6.Miller
7.Boucher
8.McClaren
9.Botha
10.Steyn
11.Langeveld
I doubt Amla will start tomorrow considering he wasn't in the world T20 squad! I think we will see him in the ODI and tests.

[killadoob]

No i am starting to think we try amla, i thought naaa he is just a test batter, then he did well in odi's so seriously if kallis is in the t20 WTF don't they give amla a go upfront?

Surely it cannot be any worse than gibbs.

[Stephen]

We will Demolish them in the tests. Who's going to open with Smith? surely not Prince? why the heck did we push up to open in the first place? Duminy needs dropping.

We will demolish them in the testse!!! We look solid in tests and were unlucky not to win in India and against England ( damn Oinions!!!). ODI's and T20's will be alot closer as an individual ( ie, Gayle, Pollard, Bravo) can singlehandly win a game.

Eek I forgot about the Duminy/Prince dilemma in the test team :confused: . Hmmm Duminy does give bowling option on those flat wickets

[Wall]

Alviro Petersen will open with smith. Prince and Duminy will battled it out for the last batting spot. Both need a good tour else they may find themselves out for the upcoming tours.

Ah Yes. Forgot Peterson who did brilliantly when he opened! ( got a hundred if memory is correct). I rather have Prince than Duminy. Duminy is a talent but he needs to go back to provincial / county cricket and work on his game. Especially against quality spin. He will come back a stronger player.

is Rudolph still not allowed to play for us?

[Wall]

No i am starting to think we try amla, i thought naaa he is just a test batter, then he did well in odi's so seriously if kallis is in the t20 WTF don't they give amla a go upfront?

Surely it cannot be any worse than gibbs.

Kinda of agree with you though i think Amla can't consistently clear the ropes so it's difficult for him! in ODI's he can get away with it considering he finds the gaps in the field and can run 2's and 3's.

[Wall]

Eek I forgot about the Duminy/Prince dilemma in the test team :confused: . Hmmm Duminy does give bowling option on those flat wickets
We need a batsman not a batsman who can chuck a few overs! I rather have Prince who will score 50-60 in an innings than duminy will get 10 and bowl a few overs

[killadoob]

Kinda of agree with you though i think Amla can't consistently clear the ropes so it's difficult for him! in ODI's he can get away with it considering he finds the gaps in the field and can run 2's and 3's.

Can you imagine the class of amla and the first 6 overs of a t20? You don't need sixes when you can hit fours. Plenty gaps in those first 6 overs for real cricketing shots. You don't need to slog in those opening overs you just need to have a positive mindset and you will find the gaps with low risk classy shots. His record though in t20 is not great so he might not have the mindset to find the gaps very often.

[stefan9]

I doubt Amla will start tomorrow considering he wasn't in the world T20 squad! I think we will see him in the ODI and tests.

They will want to give him time in the middle before the ODI series.

[Korn1]

Proteas! Come on boys! Lets hope you can be consistent this time

[alf101]

So which player will admit to smoking weed first?
I'll go with Parnell.

[stefan9]

So which player will admit to smoking weed first?
I'll go with Parnell.

He isn't in the west indies yet. He will join for the tests.

My money on the weed smokers are gibbs,jp and van der merwe.

[Stephen]

So which player will admit to smoking weed first?
I'll go with Parnell.

Parnell is out injured. I doubt he is even with the team :)

[alf101]

He isn't in the west indies yet. He will join for the tests.

My money on the weed smokers are gibbs,jp and van der merwe.

I see, never looked at the squad.
I'd go with v/d then.

The WI test matches are usually very very very boring, but at least they start at a reasonable hour for

[Wall]

i am going with Roelof. HE has a history of partying....

[chiskop]

So, boucher has been dropped. I have to say I'm all for this (but I would keep him in the test team, without a doubt.) But AB is going to be keeping, and I'm not so happy with that. I'd rather see some young guy (kuhn maybe) come into the team and get some experience at T20 level. It really worries me that we are going to find ourselves with no keeper in a few years time.

Obv. Gibbs will be the first weed smoker though, after last time, whether he'll be the first to admit to it...

[Raphael123]

This wont be an easy tour for South Africa. Changes on the T20 line up need to be made Kalis slows down the innings in a t20 and uses too many balls to get in. There is no time in T20. Jp needs to sub a few games and Boucher already dropped. Peterson & Bosman should be given a chance. On the test front it will be very interesting to watch. Good luck Proteas

[stefan9]

So, boucher has been dropped. I have to say I'm all for this (but I would keep him in the test team, without a doubt.) But AB is going to be keeping, and I'm not so happy with that. I'd rather see some young guy (kuhn maybe) come into the team and get some experience at T20 level. It really worries me that we are going to find ourselves with no keeper in a few years time.

Obv. Gibbs will be the first weed smoker though, after last time, whether he'll be the first to admit to it...

AB keeping allows the side to play another batsmen/bowler. I think its a good strategic move. I wouldn't let him keep in tests but for limited overs its a good move imho.

[Wall]

Yeah i agree. let AB keep in the shorter versions of the game and bouchie for test cricket

[alf101]

They should open with AB and Bosman then.
Kallis and Smith need to be dropped as well.

[chiskop]

AB keeping allows the side to play another batsmen/bowler. I think its a good strategic move. I wouldn't let him keep in tests but for limited overs its a good move imho.


Yes and no. I agree that it gives us that extra position in the team, but I find it very interesting that Maccullum doesn't keep for NZ, so that he can concentrate on his batting. Boucher is mid-thirties (?) now, and has to be thinking about retiring at some stage. Who will take over from him? AB has said he doesn't want to do it, and I'm not sure he's the guy for our test keeper in any case. We need to blood new, younger players.

[Bizkit87]

They should open with AB and Bosman then.
Kallis and Smith need to be dropped as well.

I'm starting to think more and more that you don't know a lot about cricket...... :wtf:

[alf101]

I'm starting to think more and more that you don't know a lot about cricket...... :wtf:

At least your thinking - thats a start.
Keep it up! :)

[stefan9]

Yes and no. I agree that it gives us that extra position in the team, but I find it very interesting that Maccullum doesn't keep for NZ, so that he can concentrate on his batting. Boucher is mid-thirties (?) now, and has to be thinking about retiring at some stage. Who will take over from him? AB has said he doesn't want to do it, and I'm not sure he's the guy for our test keeper in any case. We need to blood new, younger players.

McCulum for some reason keeps in test but not in the shorter versions. He has said he may give up keeping completely cause of back problems.

In think the best example of the way we should go is sri lanka with sangakarra. He doesn't keep in the tests because he is an important bat and it takes too much out of you to keep a whole day and then bat. But in the limited overs he keeps cause it provides better balance for his side. So for me ab should keep in the limited overs but we need to find a long term replacement for boucher in the tests.

AB is a good enough keeper for limited overs but technicly he isn't good enough for the test format.

[killadoob]

Wait how does keeping take more out of you than fielding?

Surely if you have measure the distance covered in a day the keeper would have run the shortest distance along with the slips? Obviously this depends on how the day goes.

[Devill]

My side for tomorrow's 20/20.

1.Smith
2.Amla
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.JP
6.Miller
7.Boucher
8.McClaren
9.Botha
10.Steyn
11.Langeveld

Mine:
Graeme Smith Hashim Amla, Johan Botha (capt), AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Charl Langeveldt, David Miller, Alviro Petersen, Dale Steyn, Lonwabo Tsotsobe,

Where is albie?

[stefan9]

Mine:
Graeme Smith Hashim Amla, Johan Botha (capt), AB de Villiers, JP Duminy, Charl Langeveldt, David Miller, Alviro Petersen, Dale Steyn, Lonwabo Tsotsobe,

Where is albie?

Wasn't picked for the odi's in the west indies.


Wait how does keeping take more out of you than fielding?

Surely if you have measure the distance covered in a day the keeper would have run the shortest distance along with the slips? Obviously this depends on how the day goes.

Keepers get the ball very often especially in test matches because there are loads of leaves. So he needs to be concentrated 100% all the time while a normal fielder has times where he can be more relaxed. Also before the ball goes back to the bowler it goes from the fieilder to the keeper.

The keeper also has to stay down for spinners and get up quickly,ect. This places more strain on his back then the other fielding positions.

[killadoob]

Ahhhh yes that makes sense i guess, imagine how bad kallis must have it then, bowling and having to bat. Must zap his energy quite a bit.

[Mike Hoxbig]

What a dead crowd, there's like nobody in the stadium :wtf:

[placebo]

And Bosman goes for 7 after a wide.Amazing? 3.1
Taylor to Bosman, OUT, 140.6 kph, what's happened here? Taylor slammed one in back of a length, Bosman went to pull and appeared to glove it down the leg side, where Fletcher took a good, tumbling catch. The Umpire then signalled wide... but Bosman walks! Bizarre

[JK8]

Seems like the Proteas have 1 gameplan in their head... Reach 60 by 10 overs, they always do that so lame why not aim for 75?
Good they dropped Boucher.

And the kit, looks ugly and cheap and their sweat is all over the place, not to mention Smithers numbers peeling.

Smithers out...

[JK8]

2 players walked off not given out?

[Stephen]

Seems like the Proteas have 1 gameplan in their head... Reach 60 by 10 overs, they always do that so lame why not aim for 75?
Good they dropped Boucher.

And the kit, looks ugly and cheap and their sweat is all over the place, not to mention Smithers numbers peeling.

Smithers out...


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[LancelotSA]

Miller to Smith, OUT, Gone! Smith falls to Miller's first ball! He tried the reverse sweep, missed it and over-balanced and Fletcher whipped the bails off. But hang on, replays show that Smith's foot was still balanced when the bails came off. He's walked off though, so I suppose that's a wicket, and West Indies won't mind one little bit


Taylor to Bosman, OUT, 140.6 kph, what's happened here? Taylor slammed one in back of a length, Bosman went to pull and appeared to glove it down the leg side, where Fletcher took a good, tumbling catch. The Umpire then signalled wide... but Bosman walks! Bizarre

Still match fixing at play? We volunteer our wickets now?

[Stephen]

I was listening to radio commentary and there is variable bounce apparently and they said 140 is a good score. But of course certain people here think its a 220 wicket easy :rolleyes:

[LancelotSA]

So yet again Kallis scores the runs but yet again we will probably have people complaining about it.

JH Kallis c Sarwan b Pollard 53 (45b 1x4 3x6) SR: 117.77

[LancelotSA]

Duminy doing really well again......

About the same success rate as Bosman.

[Stephen]

Then Kallis was right in saying this then:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=17&art_id=iol1274254378953K421

Ps has anyone read the full article, Its from a Durban newspaper

[killadoob]

The senior players were to blame though, slow batting cost us we all know that and no i am not just talking about kallis. Kuk pitch though.

LOL @ poor old duminy, came onto the scene a star but looks badly out of form.

[Stephen]

The senior players were to blame though, slow batting cost us we all know that and no i am not just talking about kallis. Kuk pitch though.

Oh well this was predictable

[LancelotSA]

Then Kallis was right in saying this then:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=17&art_id=iol1274254378953K421

Ps has anyone read the full article, Its from a Durban newspaper

I saw the headline only. Something about "Livid Kallis lashes out at critics"

[killadoob]

Well don't bring up stuff if you want everyone to agree with you.

I think the best is to just leave it and stop going on about it, so let's put the world cup fail behind us shall we? We should nail these windies punks as long as gayle goes early.

[placebo]

I have no problem with Kallis.He is a great player normally getting runs and at an average rate of 100 to 120 per ball.My problem is Bosman and Duminy both are out of form and should be rested. I further wonder why Morne is not playing?Are S.A trying new combinations.

[killadoob]

Bosman should not have been selected in this dude, the pitch is a shocker. Not really bosman friendly in my opinion. Kuk pitch and hard to bat on. Perfect for a player like kallis, it's those really sweet pitches he struggles on haha :D. If win today it was due to his knock, outstanding considering the pitch.

Cannot see gayle getting big runs, out early with the rest of windies following him very shortly for a massive pounding. If he does get going we in kuk :D.

[Grep]

swing and a miss, swing and a miss. My missus can hit better than that, jirre!

[Stephen]

I saw the headline only. Something about "Livid Kallis lashes out at critics"

Its about only criticising the older players.

[Djtay]

Then Kallis was right in saying this then:

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=17&art_id=iol1274254378953K421

Ps has anyone read the full article, Its from a Durban newspaper

Loved this comment....

The Daily News headline was "Kallis Slams Critics" ... it would have been more appropriate to have "Kallis Blocks Critics"

rofl:D

[killadoob]

Loved this comment....

The Daily News headline was "Kallis Slams Critics" ... it would have been more appropriate to have "Kallis Blocks Critics"

rofl:D

LMAO that would have been awesome :p

[LancelotSA]

South Africa reach 136 for 7, which is, I must say, a really good effort on this pitch. The outfield has held up very well, but the pitch is a little iffy - it's two-paced and there's some variable bounce as well. West Indies will need someone to perform the role that Kallis did - one of their top order will have to bat almost through the full 20 overs because it really won't be easy for new batsmen to come in and keep up with a run-a-ball scoring rate.

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[Abe]

My side for tomorrow's 20/20.

1.Smith
2.Amla
3.Kallis
4.AB
5.JP
6.Miller
7.Boucher
8.McClaren
9.Botha
10.Steyn
11.Langeveld

My side:

1.Peterson
2.Kallis
3.Amla
4.AB
5.Duminy/Smith
6.Miller
7.A.Morkel
8.McClaren/M.Morkel
9.Botha (Captain)
10.Steyn
11.Langeveld

[sand_man]

Not a particularly impressive performance from the Proteas against what I consider to be a very average team. Kallis and Smith once again the only batsmen to really apply themselves with any degree of skill...

They continue to play as they practice, poorly...

Where the heck is Albie?

[Abe]

Going on Smith, bowl vdm another over.

[killadoob]

So you think the score they got is poor on this pitch?

Flippin good score, winning score if gayle goes early.

[Fiekus]

I have no problem with Kallis.He is a great player normally getting runs and at an average rate of 100 to 120 per ball.My problem is Bosman and Duminy both are out of form and should be rested. I further wonder why Morne is not playing?Are S.A trying new combinations.
You don't have a problem with Van der Merwe??

[Stephen]

Loved this comment....

The Daily News headline was "Kallis Slams Critics" ... it would have been more appropriate to have "Kallis Blocks Critics"

rofl:D




LMAO that would have been awesome :p


Nah, it should have read "Kallis Slams Critics because no one else could" :D

[sand_man]

So you think the score they got is poor on this pitch?

Flippin good score, winning score if gayle goes early.

Yip a typically crap west Indian pitch that cannot stand up for a measly 40 overs. Duck me but Im sorry, west indies is a crap establishment. From their spectators to their grounds. Crap.

[killadoob]

Gayle gone, west indies done and dusted.

Good time to test your theory your stephen, your 20 years of cricket watching says gayle is not the only match winner. Let's see how it goes :D. I will be amazed to see them get close to 100.

[Abe]

So you think the score they got is poor on this pitch?

Flippin good score, winning score if gayle goes early.

It should have been 150+. The middle order did nothing. We got 29 runs off the last 5 overs with 8 wickets in hand. 7 dot balls (not wickets) and 5 wickets in the last 5 overs. It could still be a winning score that does not mean that we didn't screw things up. At the very least they need to put their bodies behind the ball and run a single.

[killadoob]

Well abe this is a crap pitch, you need to stick it out get used to the pitch, exactly what smith and kallis did and it will win us the game (hopefully). This is not a go mad and slog pitch. Would make a good test pitch :D.

[sand_man]

Gayle gone, west indies done and dusted.
0.Skim? Not Gayle Im worried about. Pollard Is their trump card.

[Abe]

Well abe this is a crap pitch, you need to stick it out get used to the pitch, exactly what smith and kallis did and it will win us the game (hopefully). This is not a go mad and slog pitch. Would make a good test pitch :D.

I know that it is crap, that does not mean that you can't get rid of dot balls. Get anything behind the ball and then run. Games on these types of wickets are won and lost by keeping the scoreboard ticking.

[killadoob]

Skim? Not Gayle Im worried about. Pollard Is their trump card.

Pollard i highly doubt is a trump card on a pitch this bad but we will see. Give him a nice track and then he can destroy you but this pitch i reckon he has no chance.

Bravo is looking good though, if this continues we in kuk haha :eek:, dammit i hope they are a one man team :D.

[sand_man]

Pollard i highly doubt is a trump card on a pitch this bad but we will see. Give him a nice track and then he can destroy you but this pitch i reckon he has no chance.Well, lets hope we get to see him bat on this deck. If we don't it would probably mean a fairly significant 7 wicket defeat for us... :mad::sick: Pollards dump enough to try smack you regardless of conditions!!! He's a menace to society...

[sand_man]

Now if that's not a sign I don't know what is. Amla been on for 2 minutes and immediately takes a catch...

[sand_man]

How good has AB been at keeper??? Impressive!!!

[LancelotSA]

Things not looking good for Boucher!


Botha to Deonarine, 1 wide, OUT, oh great stuff from De Villiers. Leg-side stumpings always give me a giddy thrill. Fired down the leg side by Botha, a wide in fact, but Deonarine overbalanced as he missed his leg-side flick and De Villiers had the bails off in a flash, very smart work indeed.

[killadoob]

He's a menace to society... on a good deck that is batting friendly. Now we see :D, their last hope just walked in

[Sting]

52-5

[Abe]

Things not looking good for Boucher!

For me his time was up when he left the catch off Pieterson. I have been very impressed with AB at keeper though.

[Sting]

Pitch is a shocker for a T20 game. No wonder there are empty stands... T20 is all about the batsman destroying the bowlers!!

[Stephen]

Gayle gone, west indies done and dusted.

Good time to test your theory your stephen, your 20 years of cricket watching says gayle is not the only match winner. Let's see how it goes :D. I will be amazed to see them get close to 100.

You have misread, look at my post again:


Been watching cricket for nearly 20 years and its rarely done. Even when Lara or Gayle performs, it is still not enough, still needs support from others. Cant see Gayle taking 20 wickets :D

[killadoob]

Yes but they set totals and chase scores that win games, let's say the game was reversed tonight and the west indies posted 80, you really think anyone is going defend that in their team? Simple gayle or back in day lara was the only chance the windies had of winning games. Very rare the west indies do well when gayle goes early batting first or second.

Support is fine but winning games comes from one source in the west indian team. Their only hope tonight was gayle, although pollard is still so there might be some fight left but not on this pitch.

In tests maybe you can say the bowlers do play their part but the test will be over in 3 days if gayle does not big runs :D. Time will tell and with your 20 years of cricket watching i am more than likely wrong.

Eish sandman i sure hope you are wrong dude :eek:

[Sting]

Pollard gone. Game over. 88-6

[Khanya]

Wouldn't say so. Lets wait and see.

[killadoob]

Good he was looking dangerous now i can cruise to bed.

I sure hope the protea's get someone to heat press there numbers a little better for the next game :D. Maybe try 180 degrees and not 60. Should help

[Sting]

107-7
30 runs for 12 balls

[Khanya]

Hmmm... 6 balls 20 runs... 2 * 6, 2 * 4.
It's over. Not a comprehensive victory/game by S.A.

[Sting]

What a rubbish game.
Rubbish pitch
Rubbish umpires
Poor crowd

Highlights:
JK 53
Ryan McLaren 5/19 !!!
AB as 'keeper

[sand_man]

What a queer game of cricket that was!!!! Well done to McLaren!! Unbelievable figures and he could have had his name on the score sheet for a catch too!!!!!

AB keeping was a revelation!!!! He is going to be sorely missed in the field.....

West Indies are rubbish, their country, their spectators and fans, their stadiums, their can can girls :sick:, their players and their umpires!!!!

[stefan9]

What the game showed today is that mcclaren is the better bowling option compared to albie by quite some distance. AB is a good option as a keeper in the limited over formats. JP has to go.

I look forward to the next game. Amla for bosman, please. Also hopefully miller has arrived so he can get a chance instead of jp. This side is seriously lacking a hitter down the order, only hitter in the squad is miller so he has to play imho.

[OzzieCapie]

So did Kallis fail again??

btw...when does a stumping become a run out? AB threw the ball at wicket from quite some distance after the batsman set off for run, yet it is still a stumping and goes behind bowlers name.

The bowler did jack do get that wicket.

[alf101]

It's a "nothing" game, so Kallis will "perform".

[lilggg]

Told u we'd start winning after the WC,its these boring rubbish nothing games we win.

[Bizkit87]

At least your thinking - thats a start.
Keep it up! :)

you were saying about Kallis and Smith?

[killadoob]

The world cup is over can we all move on? Kallis and smith will be fine and do well.

I think some us just need to accept that we don't have pressure players, there is no pressure to whip the WI it is expected and we will whip them in every game i reckon :D. We are a good unit when there is no trophy :D.

When is the next t20?

[AirWolf]

The world cup is over can we all move on? Kallis and smith will be fine and do well.

I think some us just need to accept that we don't have pressure players, there is no pressure to whip the WI it is expected and we will whip them in every game i reckon :D. We are a good unit when there is no trophy :D.

When is the next t20?

Next game is today.

[Stephen]

It's a "nothing" game, so Kallis will "perform".

Ah this chestnut - wonderfully original

[Abe]

btw...when does a stumping become a run out? AB threw the ball at wicket from quite some distance after the batsman set off for run, yet it is still a stumping and goes behind bowlers name.

The bowler did jack do get that wicket.

The terminology is something about when the batsmen is not attempting a run then it is a stumping.

[hawker]

I saw AB keeping. It's where he belongs. Boucher can keep for the tests.

[Devill]

Wasn't picked for the odi's in the west indies.

And why was he not playing yesterday? Mmmm also why the hell did they send in botha before Petersen?!


And Bosman goes for 7 after a wide.Amazing? 3.1
Taylor to Bosman, OUT, 140.6 kph, what's happened here? Taylor slammed one in back of a length, Bosman went to pull and appeared to glove it down the leg side, where Fletcher took a good, tumbling catch. The Umpire then signalled wide... but Bosman walks! Bizarre

Good on bosman. Smith was stupid though.

[Abe]

And why was he not playing yesterday? Mmmm also why the hell did they send in botha before Petersen?!

Peterson should have been in much earlier. He is a good batsmen. I would open with Kallis and him or Amla and have the other going in at 3.

[killadoob]

Devil you do not walk unless given out dude, it works both ways sometimes you get kuk decisions sometimes you get good ones, so stay unless you are told to go i reckon.

[Mike Hoxbig]

Devil you do not walk unless given out dude, it works both ways sometimes you get kuk decisions sometimes you get good ones, so stay unless you are told to go i reckon.
That was blatantly out and everyone knew it besides the noob umpire. Not walking would have given Bosman's sportsmanship a bad stigma.

[stefan9]

And why was he not playing yesterday? Mmmm also why the hell did they send in botha before Petersen?!



Good on bosman. Smith was stupid though.

For the 20/20's they are use the odi squad there isn't a sperate 20/20 squad for the tour. So no albie and no theron.

I didn't understand the decision to bat alviro did low, didn't make sense.

I am with killa on the bosman one. But its a personal decision. For me the umpire's job is to give you if he doesn't that's not your problem. Only time I would walk is if I got bowled or caught in the deep.

[Abe]

Devil you do not walk unless given out dude, it works both ways sometimes you get kuk decisions sometimes you get good ones, so stay unless you are told to go i reckon.

And then you get Gilchrist who walked every time. After the umps realised what the situation was, they no longer started giving him out for catches unless he walked. No more bad decisions (or very few).

[stefan9]

And then you get Gilchrist who walked every time. After the umps realised what the situation was, they no longer started giving him out for catches unless he walked. No more bad decisions (or very few).

I remember quite a few poor lbw decisions going against him....

[killadoob]

I remember quite a few poor lbw decisions going against him....

Yup, it works out in the end i reckon. Sometimes you are given out when you are not, sometimes you are not given out when you were indeed out.

Not up to the players to do the umpires job surely? Sometimes things go your way other times you get nasty horrid decisions. Leave it to the people paid to decide

[Bizkit87]

Yup, it works out in the end i reckon. Sometimes you are given out when you are not, sometimes you are not given out when you were indeed out.

Not up to the players to do the umpires job surely? Sometimes things go your way other times you get nasty horrid decisions. Leave it to the people paid to decide

some people dont see as this, let me make an example [someone mentioned Gilchrist, so ill use him]

Gilchrist never even looked at the umpire, when he was out, he walked, if he edged it, he walked immediately. Now what this has done is that as his career moved on, as soon as a bowler/keeper appealed for a catch, but Gilchrist stood his ground, more times than not, he was not given out, since most umpires have seen him to be a quick walker.

Whether you think it to be true or not, but as the people say, what goes around, comes around.... had Bosman stayed, who knows? maybe somewhere down the line he would have given out on a blatant not out. IF you KNOW you are out, walk... it's a gentlemans game after all....

[stefan9]

It may have been a gentleman's game its not anymore. Its a profesional sport. I am pretty sure bosman will get bad calls in the future whether he walk today or not. Had he not walked he would have gotten one back for the other ones.

[killadoob]

Bizkit going by your theory that would mean gillie never got a bad decision in his career since he was so open and honest that would mean he would never be given out when he was infact in right?

I hear what you are saying and understand karma and all that but explain how it works when you are a good decent bloke who walks when out but keeps on getting given out lbw when you are not out?

[Abe]

I remember quite a few poor lbw decisions going against him....

You can't expect him to walk for the LBW calls though :)

I was talking about the catches. The LBW's will still be for and against you, that's a given as the umpire has to make a decision on those ones.

[Abe]

Bizkit going by your theory that would mean gillie never got a bad decision in his career since he was so open and honest that would mean he would never be given out when he was infact in right?

I will bet you that he had a lot less bad ones than other players because he walked.

[killadoob]

Well there is no stats on this topic hahah so i cannot really argue, what i can say though is i guess it is better to be honest than dishonest. Must hurt getting a kuk decision when you are so honest though, makes you wonder about this karma thing :D.

[stefan9]

Well there is no stats on this topic hahah so i cannot really argue, what i can say though is i guess it is better to be honest than dishonest. Must hurt getting a kuk decision when you are so honest though, makes you wonder about this karma thing :D.

I don't agree not walking is dishonest. The player is just leaving the decision up to the umpire. He isn't saying he isn't out, he is just leaving all decisions to the umpires. That's how I see and that's the view I agree with.

[killadoob]

Yup me as well :D, they are paid to a do a job so let them :D

[Sting]

You touch it, you walk. Gains you far more respect than those batsmen who need a tractor to get them off the pitch. It also counts against your team as it further motivates the opposing team to up their game. Been there, done that.

[alf101]

you were saying about Kallis and Smith?

Well, I said it many times in other threads, but since you're showing interest...

We seem to perform in the nothing games, get over-confident before World cups, then we choke/get bundled out.
This has been the pattern since around the 1996 WC.

Kallis, Boucher and Smith are the think-tank.
They never seem to perform in the big games, like semi-finals.

My main gripe with Smith as captain is that his leadership revolves around his own performance.
He performs and the team perfoms.
That is not a good thing.
He needs to nuture players and support ALL of them.
Not get rid of them when the become stars and steal the show, like Klusener, Kemp, Hall etc...
Duminy and Morkel are also on the way out.

Kallis we've covered many times... Save him for test cricket.

If India can drop Tendulkar, Kumble, Ganguly, Laxman and Dravid from their T20 team then we can do similar.

We need change in the leadership, surely we must have learnt from all the stuffups....

[Chris]

I don't agree not walking is dishonest. The player is just leaving the decision up to the umpire. He isn't saying he isn't out, he is just leaving all decisions to the umpires. That's how I see and that's the view I agree with.

Can't agree with this. He is in fact saying he is not out if he doesn't walk. You know if you snicked the ball, you don't need an umpire to tell you!

[killadoob]

Well, I said it many times in other threads, but since you're showing interest...

We seem to perform in the nothing games, get over-confident before World cups, then we choke/get bundled out.
This has been the pattern since around the 1996 WC.

Kallis, Boucher and Smith are the think-tank.
They never seem to perform in the big games, like semi-finals.

My main gripe with Smith as captain is that his leadership revolves around his own performance.
He performs and the team perfoms.
That is not a good thing.
He needs to nuture players and support ALL of them.
Not get rid of them when the become stars and steal the show, like Klusener, Kemp, Hall etc...
Duminy and Morkel are also on the way out.

Kallis we've covered many times... Save him for test cricket.

If India can drop Tendulkar, Kumble, Ganguly, Laxman and Dravid from their T20 team then we can do similar.

We need change in the leadership, surely we must have learnt from all the stuffups....

Awesome post alf and on the money dude.

Chris why do batsmen not walk when they know they are lbw for sure? Why wait for umpire you know you are gone.

http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/460381.html

They should question our performance in the t20 i reckon. Seems odd both chases ended the exact same way. Almost seemed at times we just never wanted to push the run rate.

[Chris]

I wouldn't walk in the case of LBW - that can be left to the umpire. I'm specifically talking about catches.

[Sting]

Smith lost the toss and SA are batting first.

Another windy day!!!

[Sting]

Kallis and Langes out due to slight niggles, RvdM dropped.

In come David Miller, Morne Morkel and Lopsy Tsotsobe.

[killadoob]

I wouldn't walk in the case of LBW - that can be left to the umpire. I'm specifically talking about catches.

Hmmm why wouldn't you walk if you are obviously out? Help the umpire out don't you think? :D.

KALLIS IS OUT and i am going to miss it noooooooooooooooooooo :(

Hahah should be interesting to see how it went tomorrow, 23:30 is a bit late for someone who has to rise at 4:30 :(. what time is this bloody game moggie? dstv says 23:30 you say smith lost the toss cricinfo got nothing.

[Chris]

Hmmm why wouldn't you walk if you are obviously out? Help the umpire out don't you think? :D.

KALLIS IS OUT and i am going to miss it noooooooooooooooooooo :(

Hahah should be interesting to see how it went tomorrow, 23:30 is a bit late for someone who has to rise at 4:30 :(.

Would you as a batsman be able to judge if it's outside the line?

How the ball is swinging/turning?

What was the height of the ball when it hit you?

I would imagine the answer to those questions would be "NO". Catches are much more cut and dry.

[killadoob]

Fair point chris :D

A fark it's on now!!!!!! Yay i can watch it.

[LancelotSA]

So how many chances does Bosman get?

[thriel]

loots is out for duck. dont know why he is even in the team, it was very clear in the icc tournament that he was very out of form, i guess it was a BEE descision ?

[Sting]

loots is out for duck. dont know why he is even in the team, it was very clear in the icc tournament that he was very out of form, i guess it was a BEE descision ?

Not BEE, but I would have had Miller and Ingram there, especially if the intention was to blood the youngsters.

And what about Rusty Theron? When does he get a run? Langes is out with a niggling injury so we bring Morne in... We know how potent Morne is; give someone else a chance.

But then it must have been a culture shock to make 3 changes between games!!!!!

[Smurfatefrog]

AFAIK Rusty Theron is not on the tour, he was added to WC for Parnel, while Miller replaced Parnel on this tour

How can they schedule 4 matches on this cr@p pitch!

[LancelotSA]

AFAIK Rusty Theron is not on the tour, he was added to WC for Parnel, while Miller replaced Parnel on this tour

How can they schedule 4 matches on this cr@p pitch!

Yeah, unfortunately not watching but cricinfo is not giving a good impression!


Taylor to Smith, OUT, bowled 'im! Full and fast from Taylor, the ball didn't bounce very much at all and whizzed past Smith's attempted swipe to leg to make a mess of his stumps! Smith shakes his head at the pitch as he trudges off, but while that ball kept a touch low it wasn't exactly a grubber.


Taylor to Smith, no run, 133.7 kph, wide and Smith has a full go, but again the ball has died in the pitch, bouncing two or three times on the way through to the keeper after creeping under Smith's bat

[killadoob]

loots is out for duck. dont know why he is even in the team, it was very clear in the icc tournament that he was very out of form, i guess it was a BEE descision ?

Not every black player out of form staying in the team is BEE, someone's sig had quoted moggie as saying a black or person of colour should i say, out of form is BEE a white player is just out of form haha.

Smith is out of form, what is he doing the team? Duminy also out of form would you consider him another BEE player? Cricket is not about colour FFS. Wish people would stop with BEE BS, it's very tired now.

Cannot believe they are playing on pitches like this, this is international cricket right?

[Stephen]

Hmmm, it seems not just India that have Flat Track Bullies, we might have to put Loots Bosman in that category as well. Cant seem to play unless its flat as anything

[McT]

The bounce of this pitch is plain old awful. Even the West Indian commentator is slating it as substandard.

The graphic with Robin Jackman illustrated earlier (from yesterday) ball to Smith & Kallis by Sammy, stikes exact same spot on the pitch (no visible difference in bowlers action)... to Smith it arrives at hip-height... to Kallis its head-height :(

And it seems indifferent bounce got the better of Smith and de Villiers tonight. Eish!

[McT]

Hmmm, it seems not just India that have Flat Track Bullies, we might have to put Loots Bosman in that category as well. Cant seem to play unless its flat as anything

Really hope its not the case, as he can be quite an exciting batsman.

[Sting]

Not every black player out of form staying in the team is BEE, someone's sig had quoted moggie as saying a black or person of colour should i say, out of form is BEE a white player is just out of form haha.

Smith is out of form, what is he doing the team? Duminy also out of form would you consider him another BEE player? Cricket is not about colour FFS. Wish people would stop with BEE BS, it's very tired now.

Cannot believe they are playing on pitches like this, this is international cricket right?

Not quite sure I understand your post.... I was making the point that Loots was not a form player in the local T20 and, regardless of race or quotas, he should not have been selected ahead of Miller or Ingram. I am not a JP, RvdM or Smith fan, so don't get me started on them!

Agree with the pitch comment!!

[killadoob]

Hmmm, it seems not just India that have Flat Track Bullies, we might have to put Loots Bosman in that category as well. Cant seem to play unless its flat as anything

Dude what gets me is we know bosman likes a flat batting paradise, we know he does not like these types of pitches but our selectors do not select people based on conditions. Now everyone is like o bosman is useless.

It is like bringing in albie when there are 2 spinners on, does that makes? No so try avoid it.

[Smurfatefrog]

C'mon Dave, do us proud!!!

[LancelotSA]

Hmm.... we're really missing Kallis here!

[Stephen]

Dude what gets me is we know bosman likes a flat batting paradise, we know he does not like these types of pitches but our selectors do not select people based on conditions. Now everyone is like o bosman is useless.

It is like bringing in albie when there are 2 spinners on, does that makes? No so try avoid it.

You cant pick and choose like that, that is so lame

[SulkySue]

thanks for info. have not missed a game since I knew what cricket was...

[killadoob]

You cant pick and choose like that, that is so lame

O so rather pick bosman who is guaranteed to fail? Hmmm sounds like a better plan to me. Why can't you pick and choose like that exactly? why is it lame to access the track or conditions and pick someone accordingly?

Putting bosman in on tracks like this is basically going in a batsmen short. You bring more players than you need on a tour for a reason and it is not just about injuries.

[McT]

59/5 now :( the new boy will need to show some grit for the team

[Sting]

O so rather pick bosman who is guaranteed to fail? Hmmm sounds like a better plan to me. Why can't you pick and choose like that exactly? why is it lame to access the track or conditions and pick someone accordingly?

Putting bosman in on tracks like this is basically going in a batsmen short. You bring more players than you need on a tour for a reason and it is not just about injuries.

I'm with killa on this one.

You pick horses for courses.

[Stephen]

O so rather pick bosman who is guaranteed to fail? Hmmm sounds like a better plan to me. Why can't you pick and choose like that exactly? why is it lame to access the track or conditions and pick someone accordingly?

Putting bosman in on tracks like this is basically going in a batsmen short.

Then quite frankly he shouldnt be picked in the squad at all.

[LancelotSA]

I'm with killa on this one.

You pick horses for courses.

Are you guys honestly saying that Bosman can on play on flat pitches? He plies his trade in South Africa! He should be able to handle these pitches. Not being able to do so shows clear flaws in his technique. Should someone like that be playing at international level then?

[JK8]

Lol at these umpires! Who chose them? ICC?

[Mike Hoxbig]

So I guess it's Kallis' fault that SA are 95/5 after 17 overs :rolleyes:

Miller is doing well for his first match :)

[Sting]

Are you guys honestly saying that Bosman can on play on flat pitches? He plies his trade in South Africa! He should be able to handle these pitches. Not being able to do so shows clear flaws in his technique. Should someone like that be playing at international level then?

The pitches in SA and Oz would suit his game as they are MOSTLY flat and fast and specially prepared for a run feast to keep the spectators happy. The bounce is consistent and there is very little lateral movement as the tracks have been rolled flatter than the N2.

[alf101]

So I guess it's Kallis' fault that SA are 95/5 after 17 overs :rolleyes:

Miller is doing well for his first match :)

Nope, must be the team doctors fault again, Dr Heimlich.

[Sting]

Am looking forward to see what Morne M does on this pitch!!!

120-7 after 20 overs.

[stefan9]

Are you guys honestly saying that Bosman can on play on flat pitches? He plies his trade in South Africa! He should be able to handle these pitches. Not being able to do so shows clear flaws in his technique. Should someone like that be playing at international level then?

Bosman even on SA pitches is hit and miss. His average is pretty low. Should be in the squad in truth. He may succeed on the flat sub continent odi pitches. But places where there is seam movesment he will struggle and the same applies when the ball doesn't come on.

Really happy that miller got his chance and used it.

[Fiekus]

Am looking forward to see what Morne M does on this pitch!!!

120-7 after 20 overs.

Hope he's sorted out his no ball problem, but with these umpires, they might not even notice :)

[hawker]

Come on boys!

[Sting]

9-2

Gayle and Fletcher out.

Good night WI.

[alf101]

Bosman even on SA pitches is hit and miss. His average is pretty low. Should be in the squad in truth. He may succeed on the flat sub continent odi pitches. But places where there is seam movesment he will struggle and the same applies when the ball doesn't come on.

Really happy that miller got his chance and used it.

His average is 30, 2nd to Smith and HIS STRIKE RATE IS 150, the highest...

[Khanya]

1 RUN!

[killadoob]

The pitches in SA and Oz would suit his game as they are MOSTLY flat and fast and specially prepared for a run feast to keep the spectators happy. The bounce is consistent and there is very little lateral movement as the tracks have been rolled flatter than the N2.

Do we have any 110-120 par t20 pitches in SA? There is one i think i PE perhaps.

[Sting]

Do we have any 110-120 par t20 pitches in SA? There is one i think i PE perhaps.

Nope - PE is par 150-160.

[killadoob]

So why on earth are people comparing that crazy shocking kuk pitch to ours? Even gayle does not do well on slow crap pitches. Most big hitters though like a nice pitch and struggle on the crap ones.

A guy like kallis will thrive on a pitch like last's one and the night before. The class of kallis comes through on tough pitches where he has the patience and skill and to do well.

The 50 over matches are going to played on better pitches right? Damn i hope so because i doubt i could sit through a 50 over 180 par match :D.

[Sting]

The 50 over matches are going to played on better pitches right? Damn i hope so because i doubt i could sit through a 50 over 180 par match :D.

Nope. Saturday and Monday at same ground!!! :mad::mad::mad:

[killadoob]

Nope. Saturday and Monday at same ground!!! :mad::mad::mad:

O well i can scratch cricket off my sport list for the weekend then.

[Devill]

Not that I am at all happy about the proteas performance but them being chockers and all how did they manage to beat the WI when they only needed 5 from 3?

Sad to see all the moaners not now say ok well done SA you might be in shltty form but at least you held your nerve this time.

[Stephen]

Nope. Saturday and Monday at same ground!!! :mad::mad::mad:


O well i can scratch cricket off my sport list for the weekend then.

I dunno, dodgy pitches can make for exciting games :D

[Abe]

I dunno, dodgy pitches can make for exciting games :D

I also think they can be exciting.

[hawker]

Well done Proteas :)

[stefan9]

So why on earth are people comparing that crazy shocking kuk pitch to ours? Even gayle does not do well on slow crap pitches. Most big hitters though like a nice pitch and struggle on the crap ones.

A guy like kallis will thrive on a pitch like last's one and the night before. The class of kallis comes through on tough pitches where he has the patience and skill and to do well.

The 50 over matches are going to played on better pitches right? Damn i hope so because i doubt i could sit through a 50 over 180 par match :D.

Jamaica for the final odi should be better, not sure about dominica.

[SulkySue]

Well done Proteas :)

2nd that one, a little bit of a slump but we will be back on top of world rankings very soon.

[Khanya]

We are tops at defending...

[killadoob]

Guys the choking tag has nothing to do with touring, we are one of the best touring nations in the world, add anything with a world or cup and we screwed :D.

[Khanya]

Guys the choking tag has nothing to do with touring, we are one of the best touring nations in the world, add anything with a world or cup and we screwed :D.

+1. Only tournaments, world cups and alike.

[sand_man]

I'm not going to get too excited with these wins. West Indies are rubbish... We need to hammer them and hammer them well. In the 2 games to date we played much like we looked, bits and pieces. What's with the uniforms?!?!!! My word but the peeling numbers and sweatie outfits are embarrassing!!! ...

Wonder why we even bother touring the West Indies?? Crap pitches, crap umpires and crap crowds!!!! If a 20/20 can't pull more than 3000 spectators I hate to see how the tests will be attended...

[killadoob]

What time were the t20's in the west indian time? Seemed possibly when everyone was working perhaps?

[sand_man]

What time were the t20's in the west indian time? Seemed possibly when everyone was working perhaps?West Indians don't work!!!!!

Early afternoon yes cause the stadiums don't have night lights!!! Can add crap stadiums to the list!!! Even the can can girls are over weight, ugly and lack rhythm...

[killadoob]

Never been there but i am sure they work so makes sense the stadiums are empty during the afternoon.

We will see over the weekend during the 50 over game how many rock up. Who cares about can can girls and what they look like. It is also a poor country so i am not sure how you expect people to come watch cricket when they struggle every month. Let the guys in free or something, they would rather the stadiums sit empty than let people in for free i guess.

[AirWolf]

Not that I am at all happy about the proteas performance but them being chockers and all how did they manage to beat the WI when they only needed 5 from 3?

Sad to see all the moaners not now say ok well done SA you might be in shltty form but at least you held your nerve this time.

Perhaps because, like sandman said, WI are not one of the better teams at the moment.

[killadoob]

West indies are rubbish if you ask me, i think kenya would give them a run for their money :D

[sand_man]

West indies are rubbish if you ask me, i think kenya would give them a run for their money :D
http://www.cricinfo.com/rankings/content/current/page/211271.html
Close to the bottom of the heap yes...

[alf101]

West Indians don't work!!!!!

Early afternoon yes cause the stadiums don't have night lights!!! Can add crap stadiums to the list!!! Even the can can girls are over weight, ugly and lack rhythm...

Smoke a bit of grass and it's the best place in the world and the hottest woman in the world. Yeah mon!

[Mike Hoxbig]

West indies are rubbish if you ask me, i think kenya would give them a run for their money :D

What does that say about SA having let a team, supposedly weaker than Kenya, get to within one run of victory?

Personally I'd love to see a strong West Indian side again one day, but at the moment they're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Just ask the English test team.

[killadoob]

What does that say about SA having let a team, supposedly weaker than Kenya, get to within one run of victory?

Personally I'd love to see a strong West Indian side again one day, but at the moment they're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Just ask the English test team.

They are kuk, simple as that. Not sure what english team played them so i cannot comment.

[hawker]

What does that say about SA having let a team, supposedly weaker than Kenya, get to within one run of victory?

Personally I'd love to see a strong West Indian side again one day, but at the moment they're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Just ask the English test team.

The WI are not nearly as strong as they should be. The probably have 2 seriously good players (Gayle and Chanderpaul).

[stefan9]

What does that say about SA having let a team, supposedly weaker than Kenya, get to within one run of victory?

Personally I'd love to see a strong West Indian side again one day, but at the moment they're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Just ask the English test team.

On poor wickets like we played on the past few days it brings teams closer together. On good wickets the quality side always wins by a bigger margin.

[Mike Hoxbig]

On poor wickets like we played on the past few days it brings teams closer together. On good wickets the quality side always wins by a bigger margin.

Disagreed. Both teams play on the same wicket, so a quality side should be a quality side on any wicket.

I think the point is that you can't afford to underestimate the opposition. Also remember that the last time they toured here, they won the first test against us.

[Sting]

Disagreed. Both teams play on the same wicket, so a quality side should be a quality side on any wicket.

I think the point is that you can't afford to underestimate the opposition. Also remember that the last time they toured here, they won the first test against us.

Disagreed. The poor pitches are a great leveller of strong/weak sides. Even Kepler and HD were saying so on both nights after the two games.

However one of them mentioned that we should not compromise on our high standard of play and fall into the trap of taking it easy against the Windies. We must go for the jugular and win every single game handsomely and ruthlessly.

[killadoob]

Disagreed. Both teams play on the same wicket, so a quality side should be a quality side on any wicket.

I think the point is that you can't afford to underestimate the opposition. Also remember that the last time they toured here, they won the first test against us.

Well let's see, we are 2 for 2 thus far.

[BigAl-sa]

I must say, in the bit of the game that I saw before the rain came, Amla was batting really nicely - at a good pace too!

[JK8]

Go Amla!

[lilggg]

Imagine if he was in the T20 squad,he doesnt even need to take risks to score at run a ball,picks the gaps without any risks.And he hasnt even played for a while.

[Smurfatefrog]

Imagine if he was in the T20 squad,he doesnt even need to take risks to score at run a ball,picks the gaps without any risks.And he hasnt even played for a while.

Exactly, and he usually gets left out of the ODI team despite averaging 50 @ 80 S/R

[Sting]

Amla will be the next Proteas Test captain and will also play in the ODI/T20 teams (but not as captain).

[lilggg]

Makes me wonder why the dolphins did so bad,they got miller and amla ;/

[Sting]

Duminy - 5 off 17 balls. Come on!!!! We need to accelerate!

[lilggg]

Duminy 5 off 17 balls gtfo

[lilggg]

Duminy 5 off 17 balls wtf

[Smurfatefrog]

Maybe getting on the head can turn out to be a good thing, get Miller in!!!

[lilggg]

Swap duminy for...well anyone else.GO MILLERTJIE

[lilggg]

I think miller shud come in earlier.At least before duminy.

[Sting]

They will probably drop Duminy for Monday's game. Would like to see Prince get a run.

[Smurfatefrog]

They will probably drop Duminy for Monday's game. Would like to see Prince get a run.

He's not in the ODI squad is he? I doubt the few test only players have arrived yet

[lilggg]

This series is so boring ;/
I even watched teh bulls win.

[Sting]

He's not in the ODI squad is he? I doubt the few test only players have arrived yet

My bad! Would have liked to swop him with another lefty batsman. Maybe push Miller up the order and bring in Bosman or Pietersen to bat at 6 to give them another chance? How I wish young Ingram was also there!

[McT]

Duminy - 5 off 17 balls. Come on!!!! We need to accelerate!

Sarwan... 3 from 18 :D

[Sting]

Sarwan... 3 from 18 :D

Just because we are playing a weaker side, it does not mean we must make comparisons to their players and stats.

[killadoob]

Just because we are playing a weaker side, it does not mean we must make comparisons to their players and stats.

Duminy is a fail and has been for a very long time, the only people who seem to ignore it are the selectors. Sadly for WI their only match winner didn't get enough runs.

[stefan9]

They will probably drop Duminy for Monday's game. Would like to see Prince get a run.

No prince for me. Rather have them drop jp and give ingram or rossouw a chance. I would give alviro a chance in the next game.

I understand why they are persisting with jp. They want that batsmen they can chip in with a few overs of spin for the 2011 wc. But jp just isn't anywhere good enough at the moment to warrant a spot.

I am quite happy with the rest of the odi batting lineup. Do think miller should come in slightly earlier to get in before they take the powerplay though.

Bowling with the exception of tsotsobe was also good. I expect langers to play in his place when he is fit again.

[Sting]

No prince for me. Rather have them drop jp and give ingram or rossouw a chance. I would give alviro a chance in the next game.

I understand why they are persisting with jp. They want that batsmen they can chip in with a few overs of spin for the 2011 wc. But jp just isn't anywhere good enough at the moment to warrant a spot.

I am quite happy with the rest of the odi batting lineup. Do think miller should come in slightly earlier to get in before they take the powerplay though.

Bowling with the exception of tsotsobe was also good. I expect langers to play in his place when he is fit again.

I was looking at the players on the tour, but then realised that Ashwell was only in the Test squad.... see later post for correction! Agree with Ingram or Rossouw!

[sand_man]

Is Abie injured????

[Sting]

Is Abie injured????

Albie or AB?

Albie - No, was left out of squad. Don't ask why as no-one knows.

[midrange]

Albie or AB?

Albie - No, was left out of squad. Don't ask why as no-one knows.

He can't bowl, that's why.

[sand_man]

Sorry yeah, Albie... :o One of the cleanest hitters of a cricket ball in the modern game and he's not in the team??!!!! Go figure...

[stefan9]

His bowling has gone way down hill in the last two years. That's why mcclaren is picked ahead of him. With ab keeping there may be a way to get him back in without losing the balance of the team. But with young miller being able to do the hitting job and being a better batsman, albie's days may be numbered unless he gets his bowling back to where it should be.

[Devill]

Looks like I was wrong about McLaren.

i will be the first to admit it and I will also say I am glad to be proven wrong. Now we just need a good second spinning option.

[McT]

Young Miller is certainly a nice find and breath of fresh air :)

[stefan9]

Looks like I was wrong about McLaren.

i will be the first to admit it and I will also say I am glad to be proven wrong. Now we just need a good second spinning option.

The problem is who. VDM's bowling has gone way down hill in the last year. The other odi option robbie p is currently a kolpak player. Neither harris nor tahir are odi players. There are some talented spinners in the youth setup coming through but they haven't yet played franchise cricket so they aren't ready.

[Stephen]

Congratulations to Kallis on his 300th ODI match.

JP has been dropped for this game

[AirWolf]

Another good start by SA. Smith struggling a bit though (I think).

[AirWolf]

From Cricinfo commentary:


Ryan Miller: "How can amla not have played in the t20 world cup, he had an amazing series in india, was in the form of his life and form his key in t20 cricket. Another example of SA selectors poor decision making."


Scotty has strong words about Smith: "Ryan in South Africa we have the the CAPTAIN system which means, Smith is King, if he says no to make way for himself no matter how bad his form is he takes your place, and if he doesn't like you, you'll never play again, remember what he did to Lance Klusner!"

Edit:


15.6
Miller to Smith, OUT, moves way too across, once too often, and leaves the stumps exposed and misses a full and straight delivery. leg stump gone, Miller clenches his fist. Time for drinks

GC Smith b Miller 37 (52b 2x4 0x6) SR: 71.15

[killadoob]

Ya i hate bringing up the lance issue, makes my blood boil :(. He carried our team for so long and without his hitting we would have been murdered in many games and he was thrown out like a piece of garbage :(.

[AirWolf]

More from Crininfo:


Nathan Moore wants to give Smith a break. "To Scotty: Another Smith hater clutching at straws. I really doubt he "forced" out Amla. Did it not occur to you that perhaps the selectors thought Amla was not suited to the biff-bang style of T20. Come on really please..."


Jason, too, has Smith's back. He says: "Scotty, how narrow-minded can you possibly be?


Smith is one of our finest captains in history - it's amazing how when Smith plays well no-one comes out and says well done but have a bad run of form and then the knives are out


Amazing!!"


Athol weighs in with a voice of sanity. He says, "It often amazes me that people's comments about players can be so fickle. What will happen when Amla gos through a lean patch, will we be crying for his blood too. Smith has the credentials to backup his claim."

[Stephen]

From Cricinfo commentary:



Scotty has strong words about Smith: "Ryan in South Africa we have the the CAPTAIN system which means, Smith is King, if he says no to make way for himself no matter how bad his form is he takes your place, and if he doesn't like you, you'll never play again, remember what he did to Lance Klusner!"






Ah so thats where some MyBB forumites go to continue there moaning :)

[LancelotSA]

Ya i hate bringing up the lance issue, makes my blood boil :(. He carried our team for so long and without his hitting we would have been murdered in many games and he was thrown out like a piece of garbage :(.

And some of you still treat me like garbage! ;)

[sand_man]

:p:p

[Sting]

And some of you still treat me like garbage! ;)

But you are from dirtbin, aren't you? :p

[LancelotSA]

But you are from dirtbin, aren't you? :p

:D

[McT]

The Windies need a miracle now!

[Khanya]

Pollard goes. It's pretty much over...

[killadoob]

Pollard goes. It's pretty much over...

It was over when gayle went.

[JK8]

Proteas Still cannot finish off the tail...
Plays a big role when it comes to big tournaments and run rates...

[Khanya]

Stubborn Sammy.

[Khanya]

Looking like he can create some end-magic.

[JK8]

Sammy gonna make this score... 55 off 20 balls.

Need 24 off 18 balls now...

[Mike Hoxbig]

Lol Sammy is pulling off a miracle here. Part of me actually wants the Windies to win it :/

[Khanya]

Looks like we're goin' down...

[Flanders]

Faaaaaarkin' 'ellll. Getting too close to call now. Oh, then a fsckin' wide! :rolleyes:

[Flanders]

K, wicket. Surely we got this now.

[Khanya]

*Sigh of Relief*

[JK8]

Poor Sammy
Well played dude!

[Flanders]

Poor Sammy
Well played dude!

Agreed!

[Stephen]

Sammy gonna make this score... 55 off 20 balls.

Need 24 off 18 balls now...

Waha, the troll comes from under his rock hoping the Proteas would lose. Lovely stuff, I always love it when this type of thing happens

But Alviro needs to buy everyone besides Amla a beer, that dropped catch was horrible, dropped Sammy when he had almost nothing

[Khanya]

That was a scare there. Phew! Well played Sammy.

[JK8]

Nah

Apart from the obvious useless bowling towards the end and a tail ender fighting till the death... Good cricket.

Always endearing to watch regardless of who you support.

[sand_man]

Well that was fun... So where's Albie???!!! There's no ways on earth Tsotsode adds more value to the team than Albie... And I would rather have a stoned, out of form, wife bashing, match fixing Gibbs fielding at point than Pieterson...

[stefan9]

Well that was fun... So where's Albie???!!! There's no ways on earth Tsotsode adds more value to the team than Albie... And I would rather have a stoned, out of form, wife bashing, match fixing Gibbs fielding at point than Pieterson...

Tsotsobe only went at 5.88. Currently albie is going well over that. Hopefully langers is fit for the next game.

Alviro needs to step up his game. Judging by this game we still have the issue of the last batting spot. Neither alviro nor jp have done anything so far to cement that spot.

Happy with the rest of the batting. Bowling was good for most part but still need to work on death bowling.

[killadoob]

Once again we cannot bring alviro and then banish him after one game, give the guy a chance. Give him as many games as jp.

[Sting]

Once again we cannot bring alviro and then banish him after one game, give the guy a chance. Give him as many games as jp.

And he is batting in the wrong place... Open with him and Amla and move Smith down until he regains his form!!

/dons flame suit!

[silkman]

Amla for T20...he's a gem