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Swazi
31-07-2005, 03:28 AM
Hi
Who looses out when one goes over ones cap ? Is it Telkom or is it my ISP, finacially speaking.
I noticed this morning my IP had turned over with it's usual 24 hr cycle and i was over my cap but my IP is still 165.146.x.x
Don't really ant to screw my ISP over and download a whole lot of crap if i am over limit.
So i was just wondering how this works ?
Highflyer_GP
31-07-2005, 04:29 AM
the way i see it telkom resets the ip every 24 hours because otherwise you could have 1MB left in your cap and download like crazy as long as you stay connected. they would only catch on the next day. i'll be honest about it, this is what i do :D anyway to answer the question, i think telkom loses out because they basically provide the bandwidth whereas the ISP only provides the user account and access to the network. so no need to feel bad, you're screwing telkom over which is the right thing to do :D
Highflyer_GP, I don't it is a matter of screwing Telkom, it is just that one reduces the amount we are being screwed by ;)
Highflyer_GP
31-07-2005, 11:22 AM
I don't it is a matter of screwing Telkom, it is just that one reduces the amount we are being screwed by
LOL never saw it that way
Pedantic
31-07-2005, 11:08 PM
To answer your question:
If you are on the shaped service, your ISP will get scewed once you go over 30 Gig - anything less and no-one gets screwed ;)
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Pedantic
www.saol.com
But when you say over 30Gigs - you are refering to international traffic. Once a person is capped the can download as much as they like localy ?
Nice Hours you keep
Pedantic
31-07-2005, 11:30 PM
But when you say over 30Gigs - you are refering to international traffic. Once a person is capped the can download as much as they like localy ?
Nice Hours you keep
No Byrd, anything over 30 Gig (including local traffic) - that is why some ISP's are specifically enforcing a hard cap ! ( I remember seeing somewhere that the ISP caps the user at 27 Gig to ensure they don't get over the 30 Gig).
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Pedantic
www.saol.com
bwana
31-07-2005, 11:34 PM
Agh - shame.
TheRoDent
31-07-2005, 11:37 PM
You guys are all confused.
bwana
31-07-2005, 11:38 PM
You guys are all confused.
About?
TheRoDent
31-07-2005, 11:39 PM
About who gets screwed... Axxess, WebAfrica, SAOL, all of them, resell SAIX accounts, and saix bandwidth. If you screw someone, you're screwing Telkom. They just all resell within the system that Telkom allows them to.
Pedantic
31-07-2005, 11:43 PM
About who gets screwed... Axxess, WebAfrica, SAOL, all of them, resell SAIX accounts, and saix bandwidth. If you screw someone, you're screwing Telkom. They just all resell within the system that Telkom allows them to.
No, you got that wrong. SAIX resellers pay for the accounts they sell, anything over 30 Gig and the ISP is "penalised" (Can't go into any detail here for obvious reasons).
So, bottom line: Anything over 30 Gig and you're costing your ISP, anything below 30 Gig, your'e costing SAIX .. simple.
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Pedantic
www.saol.com
pookfuzz
31-07-2005, 11:46 PM
This is not logical. If the ISP had to pay for the additional usage you can be certain they would pass this on to the consumer.
There are very few altruistic companies in South Africa, and I doubt any of them are ISPs.
Pedantic
31-07-2005, 11:56 PM
This is not logical. If the ISP had to pay for the additional usage you can be certain they would pass this on to the consumer.
There are very few altruistic companies in South Africa, and I doubt any of them are ISPs.
It may not seem logical from your point of view, but if you were aware of the current conditions and looked at the ADSL market over the past few months you would understand it all too clearly - it's all clear to me, but I'm not sure the industry or the ADSL community is ready for it yet.
Regarding altruistic companies ... think of which companies forced the ADSL price war - they are the ones who were happy to pass the savings on to the customer instead of joining the masses for huge profit.
Need I say more ?
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Pedantic
www.saol.com
TheRoDent
31-07-2005, 11:57 PM
I'm pretty sure when I speak for all of us that the reasons for this is not obvious.
If Telkom's crappy accounting allows you to get screwed, then this is something to take up with them, not your users.
pookfuzz
01-08-2005, 12:11 AM
I don't see the "price war" as altruistic behavior.
The ADSL reseller business is relatively new, and targets a fairly small market. In order to gain customers you have to catch their attention. As a reseller, price is about the only thing you can use to differentiate your product from every one else.
It's called competition; perhaps because we are so unfamiliar with real competition in SA people confuse it with company goodwill?
I may be wrong, but none of the resellers charge for bandwidth over usage, which tells me its unlikely they are having to pay for it.
Pedantic
01-08-2005, 12:12 AM
I'm pretty sure when I speak for all of us that the reasons for this is not obvious.
If Telkom's crappy accounting allows you to get screwed, then this is something to take up with them, not your users.
You clearly don't understand the purpose of my replies - it has nothing to do with taking it up with anyone - it's solely to inform the community of the facts, after all that's what the forum is here for right ?
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Pedantic
www.saol.com
TheRoDent
01-08-2005, 12:15 AM
Alright then. Thanks for the "facts". None of which have been "obvious".
pookfuzz
01-08-2005, 12:19 AM
So is there any particular reason why the account resellers are not forwarding the extra costs on? Other than big hearts and warm fuzzy feelings?
I am completely against any kind of artifical limitation imposed arbitrarily by any provider without sound justification, which in the absence of any visible metrics smacks of just so much BS - applies equally to 3Gb, 30Gb or any number in-between. My gut-feel tells me that this is driven primarily by pricing models, much like the artifical price breaks of the mobile providers and Sucktech.
My question is, if there really is a technical justification for the imposition of limits, why not use that self-same pricing model to apply penalty pricing on 'excessive' usage for consumers, instead of considering cessation of service to the consumer, or complaining about SAIX forcing resellers to pay double? Consumers would very quickly learn to manage their usage within 'acceptable limits', as they would be faced with higher charges...
It does seem illogical that the ISP would not then enforce a hardcap when the client reaches 30Gb.
What are the reasons SAOL does not want to hardcap clients? It is usualy the practice to keep downloads going 24Hrs at max speed (Localy obvs) once the cap for international traffic is reached.
I used to do over 100Gb on my 3 Gig account. ISP's could be looking @ some serious losses if they don't cap and what you are saying is not inaccurate
Pedantic
01-08-2005, 12:32 PM
When we initially released our low-priced-high-cap accounts we planned on enforcing hard caps. Considering www.myadsl.co.za is the local hub of informed ADSL users, I posted a thread including our pricing to get feedback from the community. When I mentioned the hard cap it was obviously met with a lot of negativity and I then took it up with management to see if we could change the policy.
This is where we are now - we are not imposing hard caps, however, we will be monitoring the situation closely - from past reports we don't foresee any major problems.
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Pedantic
www.saol.com