Android 2.2 (Froyo) update for Desire - what is an "unlocked" handset?

[cueball]

OK so the news is all over the web that the official HTC release of Android 2.2 (Froyo) will start rolling out this weekend for the Desire. The fine print says its for "unlocked" handsets and operator specific versions will take longer. My handset doesn't seem the have any MTN-specific apps or branding, does this make it "unlocked"?

[Vegeta]

Mtn = unlocked

[VazLube]

But reading about leaf not coming to party regarding updates, I am bit confused how leaf enter the update picture?

[Yarik11]

As far as I know all handsets sold locally in SA are unlocked by law

[francoislr]

Been listening to a podcast called TWIG (This Week In Google), and they talked about how in America certain phones would be exclusive to certain carriers (iPhone specifically) but in other countries they outlaw it. Glad it's like that here. The Americans are suffering because of it, especially the fanboys...

[J_Bay]

My Desire is on Vodacom, and it has no branding visible, and absolutely nothing vodacom related on it, not even the stupid pictures they usually load, maybe mine is also a normal one?

[alt146]

'Locked" means that if you put a sim card from a different carrier than the one you bought the phone from, it will not work. I think network locked phones are illegal here, or at least very frowned up. Essentially if your phone came with the vanilla Desire ROM, the upgrade will reach you quicker than if the network operator still wants to load a whole bunch of their own software onto it. This is more of an issue in the UK/States than here, since we still have to wait for leaf to approve the upgrade and pass it onto vodacom/MTN for approval.

[cueball]

The update is now available on my phone (90MB). Will download when I'm home and connected using WiFi.

[Shake&Bake]

Been listening to a podcast called TWIG (This Week In Google), and they talked about how in America certain phones would be exclusive to certain carriers (iPhone specifically) but in other countries they outlaw it. Glad it's like that here. The Americans are suffering because of it, especially the fanboys...

Ja, it's been like that for years, in both countries.
Look, the iPhone still only has VC as it's official carrier, but it's fully unlocked - any sim can be used on them, with in SA or beyond.


The update is now available on my phone (90MB). Will download when I'm home and connected using WiFi.

Ooh do tell when done :D
Was that an "Over the air" update that just sprung up? Or from your local service provider?

[cueball]

It didn't just pop up. I checked several times since Friday and now it's available.

Home / Menu / Settings / About phone / System software updates / Check now

[Metaphysical]

The update is now available on my phone (90MB). Will download when I'm home and connected using WiFi.

ZOMG lies!
Holy****e, You already have your froyo ota update for your desire in south africa?
are you with mtn or vodacom?

[HapticSimian]

Just gonna quote myself here from the Official Desire thread...



Quick!!! Check for updates. Mine is busy downloading as I type this. (OTA_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.09.405.8-1.21.405.2_release4dua3bcrut4wrv30.zip)
Wow. Thought we would have to wait months still.

According to the posts flying around on XDA Developers

RUNNING THE OTA WILL LOSE YOU YOUR ROOT

There's currently no way to root with the new bootloader included in the OTA update. I'm sure there will be within a week, but just be aware...

[Shake&Bake]

ZOMG lies!
Holy****e, You already have your froyo ota update for your desire in south africa?
are you with mtn or vodacom?

That was my initial thoughts :p
Looking at the Desire thread, there's meant to be a 2 week/month (I forget) waiting period.
If this is for real, which it'd seem it is - then "Leaf's se Ma, se Pa, se...." :D

[cueball]

ZOMG lies!

Nope. How do I take a screenshot on this phone? :)


You already have your froyo ota update

yes (well, it's downloading)


for your desire

yes


in south africa?

yes


are you with mtn or vodacom?

MTN.

[Shake&Bake]

Just gonna quote myself here from the Official Desire thread...

And then there was Oops! :o :D

[cueball]

I've read the "it cannot be rooted" warnings, but I've only had my phone for 2 weeks and not bothered rooting it yet. I reckon by the time I want to root it the good people at xda-developers.com will have figured it out already. They always do.

[KoRn]

Mine is updated on MTN as well, only thing i can find wrong is my APNs are gone.

[DAE_JA_VOO]

*yawn*

Been running Froyo for about a month now. Welcome to the club, guys :P

[mjwitter]

What firmware version were you running before the update? Doesn't need to be exact number :)

[francoislr]

I am almost too afraid of the official version after running rooted! Could someone who has done the upgrade download an app called Linpack and report back what score you get? Push the Run Benchmark button a few times and tell us what the best score is. My highest so far has been just over 40 on LeeDroid 1.6.

[lanman]

Anyone on vodacom received the update yet? Any specific rom required to get the update?

[Grumpy Old Man]

lanman. Got it last night on Vodacom. Standard rom.

[lanman]

What did i do wrong to not receive the update :-(, the one time i decide not to root and try to keep it original...

[Ecco]

I have an unrooted device from MTN, says no updates available for my phone. Not sure how the other MTN guys managed to get the update.

[Jan]

Nope. How do I take a screenshot on this phone? :)

You'll need to install the SDK if I'm not mistaken. How to take Android Screenshots (http://blog.digitaltinder.net/2009/06/how-to-take-android-screenshots/).


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yes (well, it's downloading)
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yes
...
yes
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MTN.

I have a Desire with MTN and I'm not getting the upgrade. Checked quite a few times this morning.

[mm1za]

Also on MTN and no update yet...

[TheWarr]

Same here, MTN in CPT no update :(

[BLo_0p]

It showed update available on mine since last night, I'm busy updating now!

[Fudzy]

Also on MTN and no update yet...

+1 still on 2.1

No way to download it manually?

[BLo_0p]

Are you mtn or vodacom? No way of manually downloading it that I know of. Why would some people get the update and others not though?

[Fudzy]

Are you mtn or vodacom? No way of manually downloading it that I know of. Why would some people get the update and others not though?

MTN, I'm also finding it odd that its certain phones and not others.

[whoisthis]

i tried use the manual update from htc european site, not working. tells me the devise code is not correct. i got mine from mtn.

[alt146]

Maybe they are rolling the update out in batches - I think it works the same way in the states, puts less stress on their servers and the network. Hopefully it will get to us all soon - I am very pleasantly surprised we are seeing the update so quickly :D

[BLo_0p]

I thought the update will only come in 12 years' time :D

[cyb3rt]

I thought the update will only come in 12 years' time :D

I'd much rather still run a custom ROM :)

[sand_man]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741775
If you rooted this will work...

[cyb3rt]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741775
If you rooted this will work...

I'll wait for LeeDrOiD 1.7

[marco79]

I just received the update. I'm in PE & have a Vodacom phone. Downloaded it in less than 10 minutes via HSDPA. Luckily I bought a 1.2Gb data bundle yesterday. Busy installing.

[Petruvw]

Howzit

This sounds great, one problem though, I'm on MTN, with my Desire, and no download available!

Did you change anything on your handset after receiving it from MTN? Maybe I need to do a trick for this to start. Please help!

Thanks

[FullMetal]

Fml, i got the update, all excitedly, and all of a sardine my Sense wont boot 'Application HTC Sense has ended unexpectedly' or something... and here i seem to be stuck. :< cant even access my phone now. gawl.

[Mr Feesh]

Fml, i got the update, all excitedly, and all of a sardine my Sense wont boot 'Application HTC Sense has ended unexpectedly' or something... and here i seem to be stuck. :< cant even access my phone now. gawl.

how did you update it? OTA or manual

[Petruvw]

Hi Again

Can somebody please record their Software information, before upgrading starts.

Settings/About Phone/Software information.

Thanks

[rorz0r]

Fml, i got the update, all excitedly, and all of a sardine my Sense wont boot 'Application HTC Sense has ended unexpectedly' or something... and here i seem to be stuck. :< cant even access my phone now. gawl.

In the official htc desire thread someone mentioned clearing the cache for htc sense now.

[FullMetal]

how did you update it? OTA or manual

Off the phone directly, bout 20 mins ago. Now the phone has no use >:(

[FullMetal]

In the official htc desire thread someone mentioned clearing the cache for htc sense now.

ok, where does that leave me? got a link of what i should do? they suggest here (http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/32/p/578/1279.aspx) that i should master reset my phone? REALLY? :/ its not for the desire, but still?

[Yarik11]

Off the phone directly, bout 20 mins ago. Now the phone has no use >:(

Happened to me yesterday - just mentioned it in the other thread.

Do a factory reset: Turn off your phone, press volume down and then presss power (while holding volume down).

You will get an Android menu. Select factory reset with volume down key and then press power.

Worked for me

[FullMetal]

Happened to me yesterday - just mentioned it in the other thread.

Do a factory reset: Turn off your phone, press volume down and then presss power (while holding volume down).

You will get an Android menu. Select factory reset with volume down key and then press power.

Worked for me

I take it i lose all my apps etc?

[Yarik11]

I take it i lose all my apps etc?

Unfortunately yes :(

Luckily you can just sync back all your contacts/calendars through Google and Facebook, but you will have to tweak all the settings to your preference and re-install all your apps. Everything on your SD card will still be intact though

[rorz0r]

Bit late now but you can use appbrain to remember your apps then reinstall.

[FullMetal]

Unfortunately yes :(

Luckily you can just sync back all your contacts/calendars through Google and Facebook, but you will have to tweak all the settings to your preference and re-install all your apps. Everything on your SD card will still be intact though

Yeah im not too worried bout contacts etc... just the admin of getting my apps again. And the update i just got? gah. this is my only hope. linky (http://myhtcdesire.com/tutorials/fix-the-application-htc-sense-process-com-htc-launcher-has-stopped-unexpectedly)

[FullMetal]

Bit late now but you can use appbrain to remember your apps then reinstall.

duly noted :P

[alt146]

ok, where does that leave me? got a link of what i should do? they suggest here (http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/32/p/578/1279.aspx) that i should master reset my phone? REALLY? :/ its not for the desire, but still?

I had the same problem - search for settings, go into manage apps and clear HTC Sense's cache. It will fix the annoying FC loop.

[Luqmaan]

Hi, I have an HTC desire that I purchased in the UK with branding T-mobile but obviously I got it unlocked because I am a resident in SA, so does anyone know if I would receive the froyo update at the same time as desire handsets that are sold locally in SA?

Thanks for your help

[Fudzy]

Anybody had luck with this guide?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741518

Everything goes fine till just past verification where it failed on some fingerprint file. (Just reset the phone to make sure its okay so I don't have the exact message)

[TheWarr]

I Just did my update. I didn't loose any of my apps or scenes or settings :) heloooo froyo!!!

[poffle]

why is everyone getting updates except me :( They better put me in the next batch ~!!! hate u htc :(

[alt146]

why is everyone getting updates except me :( They better put me in the next batch ~!!! hate u htc :(

Just do it manually - all the steps on how to do so are in this thread:

Install HTC sync
Download the update to the 1.21 firmware
Update to 1.21
Download the 2.2 update
Update to 2.2

You can be finished before you go to bed tonight.

[TheWarr]

why is everyone getting updates except me :( They better put me in the next batch ~!!! hate u htc :(

I did mine manually. I couldn't wait any longer, lol

[TheWarr]

Just do it manually - all the steps on how to do so are in this thread:

Install HTC sync
Download the update to the 1.21 firmware
Update to 1.21
Download the 2.2 update
Update to 2.2

You can be finished before you go to bed tonight.

I did mine without HTC Sync.
I downloaded the updates & followed the same steps for updating as posted on other threads. It was very easy

[SirFooK'nG]

Anybody had luck with this guide?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741518

Everything goes fine till just past verification where it failed on some fingerprint file. (Just reset the phone to make sure its okay so I don't have the exact message)

I followed this guide, worked perfectly on my Vodacom desire. Only thing is I stuffed around with my home pages a while ago, so they were not standard. After rebooting I got stuck in a "HTC Sense load" error. There are ways around it, but I just did a factory reset...

[poffle]

cool ill update manually tonight. :D is froyo with sense that much different to the current eclair version?
Just visually that is

[mjwitter]

Visually not a major shift, a few icons have been changed etc. It's the speed and functionality changes that make it a worthwhile update.

[alt146]

cool ill update manually tonight. :D is froyo with sense that much different to the current eclair version?
Just visually that is

A lot of the apps have very subtle visual tweaks, the talk and gmail apps being the most noticeable. But for all intends and purposes you have the exact same experience, just with one or two new features and a significant speed boost. Battery also seems to be a bit better.

[poffle]

cool ty :)

[lureon]

I tried the manual upgrade and I get an error. Can't remember exact wording, but something about security and signatures and validating the update. I'm on Vodacom too. Anybody have any suggestions?

I've seen suggestions that you need a GoldCard, but it seems like people are managing without it, so I don't wanna try that yet.

[Fudzy]

I tried the manual upgrade and I get an error. Can't remember exact wording, but something about security and signatures and validating the update. I'm on Vodacom too. Anybody have any suggestions?

I've seen suggestions that you need a GoldCard, but it seems like people are managing without it, so I don't wanna try that yet.

What version are you current running? Settings -> About Phone -> Software information

[lureon]

What version are you current running? Settings -> About Phone -> Software information

Hi, not sure which one you want, here's all of them:

Firmware Version: 2.1-update1
Baseband Version: 32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11
Kernel Version: 2.6.29-3cb3dfbf htc-kernel@and18-2 #1
Build Number: 1.15.1104.14 CL146737 test-keys
Software Number: 1.15.1104.14

Thanks

[rorz0r]

Hi, not sure which one you want, here's all of them:

Firmware Version: 2.1-update1
Baseband Version: 32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11
Kernel Version: 2.6.29-3cb3dfbf htc-kernel@and18-2 #1
Build Number: 1.15.1104.14 CL146737 test-keys
Software Number: 1.15.1104.14

Thanks
Follow the procedure in the other thread and do the 1.15 -> 1.21 update first. Then the froyo update.

[lureon]

Follow the procedure in the other thread and do the 1.15 -> 1.21 update first. Then the froyo update.

Are you talking about the thread mentioned by alt146?
Seems the link is missing in that post? Can you re-post it?

[rorz0r]

Frankly I'm rather underwhelmed by froyo.
Speed wise I can't really notice a difference because the phone never really slowed down anyway.
Wifi seems exactly the same. Seemed slightly better while taking a dump at work but slightly worse while taking a dump at home.
The news and weather app is cool because of the weather graph thing. The news looks a bit more full featured but I don't use RSS much anyway. It now seems stupid having 2 weather and news apps/widgets.
Flashlights 3 settings are nice but needs a widget like LED Light.
720p nice but let's face it, the camera on this phone is shocking anyway so you just get a higher res ****ty video.
Voice search seems about as useless as goggles.
Wifi hotspot might actually come in handy for me but not yet.
Best feature so far is coloured tags in gmail. :)

[rorz0r]

1.15 -> 1.21
http://blog.gamermatrix.co.uk/update.zip

froyo:
http://liveimage.htc.com/OTA_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.09.405.8-1.21.405.2_release4dua3bcrut4wrv30.zip

[lureon]

1.15 -> 1.21
http://blog.gamermatrix.co.uk/update.zip

froyo:
http://liveimage.htc.com/OTA_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.09.405.8-1.21.405.2_release4dua3bcrut4wrv30.zip

Cool thanks, will try that now and let you know.

[lureon]

1.15 -> 1.21
http://blog.gamermatrix.co.uk/update.zip

froyo:
http://liveimage.htc.com/OTA_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.09.405.8-1.21.405.2_release4dua3bcrut4wrv30.zip

I get the same error when doing the 1.15->1.21 update:

-- Install from sdcard...
Finding update package...
Opening update package...
Verifying update package...
E:failed to verify whole-file signature
E:signature verification failed
Installation aborted

[cyb3rt]

I know with some of the ROMs you need to toggle signature verifacation before running the update. Maybe its the same with this?

[lureon]

I know with some of the ROMs you need to toggle signature verifacation before running the update. Maybe its the same with this?

How do I do that?

[cyb3rt]

I have not done it before cause mine worked. But I have seen it on the forums from XDA, maybe just go search there unless somebody else knows.

[alt146]

Try using the exe based 1.21 update found here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684259). It's the one labelled RUU. Note that it updates over your usb cable and HTC Sync must be installed.

[lureon]

Try using the exe based 1.21 update found here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684259). It's the one labelled RUU. Note that it updates over your usb cable and HTC Sync must be installed.

Thanks to much to everyone for their help, I'm now running FroYo.

[walterg]

Thanks to much to everyone for their help, I'm now running FroYo.

Just a few questions.
1. Did your phone also have the Vodacom scene and vodafone bookmarks before applying these updates?
2. Do you just plug your phone into the computer and then run the exe? ( having HTC sync installed)
3. Is everything working fine on your phone now?

[lureon]

Just a few questions.
1. Did your phone also have the Vodacom scene and vodafone bookmarks before applying these updates?
2. Do you just plug your phone into the computer and then run the exe? ( having HTC sync installed)
3. Is everything working fine on your phone now?

1. It had the Vodacom Scene, can't remember bookmarks. (Still has the scene now after the update to FroYo)
2. Yip, well I told the phone to go into HTC Sync mode first
3. Working fine now, but did have an issue after the update. Sense went into a crash loop (Force Close over and over again). Just did a hard reset and it fixed everything.

I recommend backing up what you can before you start. The built in HTC Backup didn't restore properly after I ran the RUU.

[walterg]

Thanks, I'll try this tonight. Any recommendations on a backup programme?

[lureon]

Thanks, I'll try this tonight. Any recommendations on a backup programme?

- I used Astro to backup my apps. (Google should do it, but this way you don't have to re-download) - http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.metago.astro
- For SMS - http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.riteshsahu.SMSBackupRestore
- Used HTC Sync for contacts and calendars
- The rest I had to re-setup (Exchange settings, GMail, Wallpaers, Ringtones)
- Also check your various apps, some allow you to backup their own settings

(My Apps - http://www.appbrain.com/user/duane/apps-on-the-phone)

[balrog]

1. It had the Vodacom Scene, can't remember bookmarks. (Still has the scene now after the update to FroYo)
2. Yip, well I told the phone to go into HTC Sync mode first
3. Working fine now, but did have an issue after the update. Sense went into a crash loop (Force Close over and over again). Just did a hard reset and it fixed everything.

I recommend backing up what you can before you start. The built in HTC Backup didn't restore properly after I ran the RUU.

Hi lureon - I also had the HTC Sense crash loop, but just did not want to do a hard reset, otherwise I would have lost my Swype library, which is a pain to start from scratch :-(

I did not do ANY BACKUPS WHATSOEVER before updating - first from 1.15 to 1.21. then to Froyo. BUT it IS always a good idea to perform full backups - I was just lazy this time, so always rather do the sensible thing as lureon suggests and do backups!!!

For anybody else that might run across this problem(HTC Sense Force Close loop), here are some pointers:

1. - One option is to press the "search" button on the Desire when you click the Force Close notification button. Some say keep it in some say press it multiple times. When you can open the search function, search for "Settings". If you can then get to the phone's settings, clear the Cache and Database for HTC Sense under the "manage Applications" options. Anyway, this method did not work for me, as the search function always wanted to either search for People or Gmail :-(
2. - Option 2, I sent myself an e-mail with a URL that I clicked on in my Gmail. This then starts up your default browser. So now you can browse. I then installed an app from AppBrain called something like "Behold II Quick Settings" or something to that effect. i first had to create an AppBrain account and waht-not. A bit of a schlep, but what can you do :-). The trick now, install this app - the notification will appear in the top notification bar - now expand the notification bar and click on the notification that the app was installed. this will start the app! :-) Now just go to Manage Applications and clear the Cache(my clear cache button was greyed out) and the Database (I could only clear this). now all should be fine! I think I did a normal power down and power up again, not sure. Do it if required - not a hard reset though! Just a power off and power on.

Now all your apps and everything is still in tact - only thing is that your short cuts and background would now be default, so just add back your short cut icons like they were before.

Hope somebody found this useful :-)

[lureon]

@balrog

Wish I'd known that sooner :) Although, I had nothing to lose anyway because the RUU effectively did a factory reset before I applied the FroYo update.

[balrog]

@lureon - well, you did the right thing by backing up before diving in:-)

[doepie]

Thanks to much to everyone for their help, I'm now running FroYo.

Any problems with your video camera afterwards?

I updated my firmware with the exe based ROM. This one in particular... RUU_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.21.405.2_Radio_32.36.00.28U_4. 06.00.02_2_release_126984_signed.exe

Did the Froyo update (manual) straight afterwards, but can't do video recording anymore. I go into my camera, select videorecording and the phone goes straigt back to the home screen.

Any ideas anyone?