could we get a mod for the iburst forum that has iburst?

[slimothy]

ic and the reodent dont have iburst, and are bias against it it would seem and that *could* influence content on this forum (the iburst forum)

what happened to regardtv, is there anyway we can have a mod on this bit of the forum that has iburst?

[stepper]

Fair request!
Who do u have in mind?

[TheRoDent]

What influences content negatively in this forum is YOU, slimothy.

[slimothy]

i liked regardtv

[antowan]

Exactly how does having iBurst or not having iBurst affect IC's ability to moderate the iBurst forum? Show me where IC has used incorrect judgement Slimothy... He certainly hasn't deleted positive comments about iBurst. That is what you suggest he might have done, right?

[TheRoDent]

Please, stop feeding the monkey. He's doing this for attention.

[DaveBuchanan1337]

I'm with slimothy.

regardless of the rodent's insinuations, we *really* need a mod here that is in touch.

[DaveBuchanan1337]

ic, I really don't have an issue with you, you have always been very ... supportive ... of my viewpoints. thanks.

as for what you quoted from slimothy, I can't really figure out what he is trying to say. word.

[Unchained]

I think ic has done a fine job as moderator, even after giving up on iBurst, and have actually been mild in his comments regarding WBS.

[antowan]

Well said IC.

[stepper]

.....the job of a moderator is to ensure that what is posted conforms to Forum Etiquette...


Please, stop feeding the monkey. He's doing this for attention.


Can you please refrain from launching any personal attacks on any member or making any derogatory statements! MyADSL will always remain a place where we value (and will protect!) freedom of speech, but unnecessary negative personal comments does not have much value and will usually just be deleted. It is certainly in everybody’s interest to ensure that MyADSL remains the respectable online environment it has become.
I'm not one for internet beefs but this leaves me confused.... :confused:

[TheRoDent]

Slimothy is a persistent troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll). There's only one way to deal with trolls, and I'll leave it to the imagination as to what that is.



Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings and, upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they—and the troll—understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling—where the rate of deception is high—many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)


Aside from that, I don't actually have any moderation rights in the iBurst forum [edit: I'm listed, but I cannot actually do anything]. I moderate the Sentech, and WiFi forums. That's it. I post here as a participant, and as someone that does (as I've stated before) still have 1 iBurst modem to support (moved the rest all to DSL).

Whether I have or don't have iBurst is irrelevant. I believe slimothy, that it's time for you to find your own forum to moderate. Unfortunately, and from the feeling that I've received from the other moderators, that forum will never be here.

Thus, to aid you in your predicament, I've registered your very own domain for you: iburstforums.co.za (http://co.za/cgi-bin/whois.sh?Domain=iburstforums)

I'll throw in the first 3 months hosting, and the R200 bux registration in, for free, and install the forum software of your choice.

PM me some details if you're man enough to moderate your own forum. Create a transfer request for the domain, I'll approve the transfer ticket within minutes. Rock out, whatever.

[Daveogg]

I dont think it was that unreasonable to expect that the mods of this section of the forums should have a feel for the CURRENT state of iburst.

As for Slimothy being a "troll" i dont think so - he has an abrasive attitude and speaks his mind, but often does infact offer valuable advice.

[antowan]

He might not act like a troll all the time, but he is deliberately disruptive and argumentative. Of that there is no doubt. Mostly he is just a jester but he has created such a blur of posts (ala his post count) that it is difficult to discern when he is having good clean fun, giving advice or undermining the forum. To judge a question like the one Slimothy asked, you have to ask, where is it coming from? What made him ask the question? What is the motive? Why is making iBurst look good such a big deal for Slimothy?

[Simple Twist Of Fate]

hmm, my personal opinion is that too much is being read into Slimothy's post (as per above) I saw it as a simple request which appears reasonable, that the Mods who may moderate on the Iburst specific side of the forum, in relation to technical matters and connectivity issues, would be better if they were Iburst users them selves.
However as correctly pointed out by Antowan and RPM the Mods Job is to "keep forum ettiquitte".. correct.
Which leads me to feel that where SLIM is coming from is that perhaps he feels that "A MOD' made postings of a technical nature regarding Iburst, who may or may not have the personal experience of using Iburst.
His request as first answered by Stepper was A.F.A.I.C.S reaonable, I mean I couldnt remark on a Marconi Router as i have never owned one, but i could certainly identify if someone was using foul language or attacking someone personally.
My experience of Iburst is perhaps similar to others, its a love hate realtionship,, the speeds are awesome but it can be very iffy and frustratingly tempermental as well.
I dont think that this is about Trolling or "getting at IC" or anyone.
AFAIK IC is a fair moderator and I personally have no grist to grind with IC or Slim or anyone else for that matter.
EXCEPT MAYBE WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN ON 1ST NOV :)

[stepper]

Good points by everyone but the Slimothy's question has not been answered.

Maybe Slim you should give us other reasons besides the one u listed.

[Daveogg]

One good thing that has come out of all this, is that a vBulletin problem/issue has come to light, with TheRoDent's moderator permissions/rights [I always assumed TheRoDent could do the same stuff I can, my assumption incorrect], and that will hopefully be debugged & sorted soon :).

Well they say every cloud has a silver lining!!
Another positive is it seems we can at least discuss this in a mature manner!!

This whole issue really goes down to what exactually is the role of a moderator?

IC i think you will agree with me that while you were an iburst customer you were a far more "hands on" moderator - organising polls, stickies, faqs for the newbies etc. Since you moved on to greener (faster) pastures you have had a much more "hands off" approach. It can be argued that the best form of moderation is none, but it was kind of nice to check in and have everything organised!!

[Roman4604]

IC i think you will agree with me that while you were an iburst customer you were a far more "hands on" moderator - organising polls, stickies, faqs for the newbies etc.I would echo the above statement ... I think its a richer, more valuble experience for the forum memebers when the mods are technically (appreciation for service performance/quality) and commercially (frequent interaction with provider) experienced.

As far as the 'pure' moderator function goes ... I can't fault IC there ... always presented balanced views, logical arguments and fair actions.

[regardtv]

Since we're all getting invloved here ....

The job of a moderator is not to censor but rather to help keep topics within a specific forum "reasonably" on topic ... for that no moderator needs access the the specific products that the forum is concerned with.

I personally feel that IC has single handedly kept the iBurst forum "sane". Like TheRodent, my mod status was NOT functioning. RPM has just sent me a PM indicating that he's reset my mod status ... and it looks like it's working... I will attempt to keep an eye on the forum and assist IC with the great job he has done to date.

On a personal note .. I'm surpised ppl "liked" my moderator approach .. I tend to be far more brutal than IC ;-)

[stepper]

There u go, problem solved.
Happy moderating regardtv!

[slimothy]

i never said get rid of ic and therodent, i just said add someone with iburst,

weclome back regardtv

[Gatecrasher]

i never said get rid of ic and therodent, i just said add someone with iburst

Well done, Slimothy, for having the courage to bring this up.

I also have no problem with ic, who has always moderated this forum very well, with balance, and with due consideration to the readership. Even though his own experience with Iburst was less than rosy, it was at least his own experience.

TheRodent, on the other hand, continues to badmouth Iburst from position of ignorance. That acheives only one thing - it gets the back up of real Iburst users, who know for an absolute fact that on the issue of Iburst he talks through the rear end of his anatomy. He is so out of touch, it hurts.

All of this would be quite easy to ignore if he was just another MyADSL forumite, but what irritates me (and presumably others) is the fact that he is a so-called moderator!

He is constantly misinforming, and very often abusing, readers from what is essentially an official capacity.

I don't find that acceptable at all. Reign him in or kick him out. But a moderator is the last thing he should be around here.

IC, comparing abusive posts from Slimothy and TheRodent misses the point entirely. One of these two is supposed to be a moderator, and it aint Slimothy!!! :mad:

[TheRoDent]

TheRodent, on the other hand, continues to badmouth Iburst from position of ignorance.

Rofl. As has been indicated clearly, abundantly, before. I still have the iBurst "experience" from a support point of view. MANY times a day. I had three sites to support on the hairy back of iBurst for the last few months, and one is left.

The moment I get my last site moved to DSL I'll be happy. In the meantime, I'll continue doing what I always do, and that is voice my opinion, among the basis of the facts presented to me, through pretty much what I consider a technically superior opinion than your own, mr Crasher, but that we can debate furiously via PM if you prefer. :)

My "official" capacity does not kerb, or curtail me from expressing an opinion in any fashion, just as yours doesn't.